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August 19, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

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SPEAKER_40: John, you're a total rock star.
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SPEAKER_40: Love you so much and love the talk radio audience all throughout Minnesota.
0:06
SPEAKER_40: You do such a great job.
0:07
SPEAKER_40: I'm a big fan.
0:35
SPEAKER_28: This morning, right?
0:37
SPEAKER_28: The the uh the AI overlords, the house band, unfortunately, like the way that I have multiple versions uh to play, and you know, the times are all wonky, so I'm doing my prep, and then I end up doing math to try to time it out right to the uh top of the hour here on the show.
0:57
SPEAKER_28: So as people start to arrive to the John Justice show, presented by American uh Experiments, I will say good morning, and I'm glad you're with us.
1:06
SPEAKER_28: I had another uh another harrowing drive-in today.
1:10
SPEAKER_28: And don't, and by the way, don't start to worry that I'm gonna be opening every single show with my with my driving adventures, right?
1:19
SPEAKER_28: It just happened to be two days, two days in a row where some interesting things have happened.
1:24
SPEAKER_28: Yesterday, as I mentioned, there was a law enforcement officer on 62 and friend of the show, Pat had pointed this out.
1:30
SPEAKER_28: She was absolutely right.
1:30
SPEAKER_28: I didn't realize uh that it was right by the if you're heading west on 62, right by the Tracy exit.
1:38
SPEAKER_28: And she posted yesterday on X that that's where the that's where the state patrol and the law enforcement like to go and hang out.
1:44
SPEAKER_28: So I made sure to traverse that area gingerly on the drive in uh this morning.
1:49
SPEAKER_28: Good morning to uh producer Devin, by the way.
1:52
SPEAKER_28: I want to make sure I do.
1:53
SPEAKER_28: Good morning.
1:54
SPEAKER_28: Proper introductions out of the out of the gate.
1:55
SPEAKER_28: I completely forgot about that yesterday.
1:57
SPEAKER_28: My apologies, my apologies.
1:58
SPEAKER_28: Um no, this happened earlier on the drive.
2:01
SPEAKER_28: I'm coming down 100.
2:02
SPEAKER_28: I just made the transition on a 100 right around uh, you know, Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center area.
2:08
SPEAKER_28: And it's still two lanes right there.
2:10
SPEAKER_28: Okay.
2:11
SPEAKER_28: And you know, the person in the right lane, the slow lane was fine.
2:17
SPEAKER_28: You know, they were doing like just just sh just a scoche over 60, but the person in the left-hand lane was matching the speed in the fast lane, right?
2:28
SPEAKER_28: And I'm like, and I was I was running a little bit later than I typically do.
2:32
SPEAKER_28: So this was probably around 445-ish, right?
2:37
SPEAKER_28: And there's a significant difference between being on the road like between 4 and 4.30, and then when you get into between 430 and 5, there's a lot more cars on the road.
2:47
SPEAKER_28: And the traffic started started to stack up behind these two cars.
2:52
SPEAKER_28: And I was the lead car right behind the one in front in the fast lane.
2:57
SPEAKER_28: And neither of them were doing what normal, rational people would do, and that is either speed up or slow down to clear the fast lane out so people can can go by.
3:06
SPEAKER_28: So, you know, again, all these, I don't know.
3:09
SPEAKER_28: There had to be a dozen, a dozen or more cars, they're all just stacking up.
3:13
SPEAKER_28: And so, you know, and I did something that I never do.
3:16
SPEAKER_28: I was not tailgating the little, you know, Toyota Versa or whatever it was in front of me.
3:22
SPEAKER_28: I wasn't tailgating it, but I actually did flash them the high beams.
3:25
SPEAKER_28: I was like, dude, come on.
3:27
SPEAKER_28: Come on.
3:27
SPEAKER_28: Because I just get everybody, everybody's getting mad at me.
3:29
SPEAKER_28: The guy behind me is getting mad at me.
3:31
SPEAKER_28: The guy behind him is getting mad at him, and it's just everybody's getting frustrated.
3:34
SPEAKER_28: And this totally came to fruition because the moment that there was a third lane opened up, and it's not technically a third lane, it's an off-ramp.
3:45
SPEAKER_28: Because there's one off ramp or a third lane emerge uh you know, is it opens to get off of 100, but then that closes again, it goes back down to two until you get about half a mile down the road and it opens up to three.
3:58
SPEAKER_28: So the moment that that third lane, the exit lane popped up, a bunch of cars started going right to go past them, the two cars in the in the fat in the in the fast and the and the slow lane.
4:10
SPEAKER_28: And I'm watching this going, oh, this is gonna end in disaster, right?
4:15
SPEAKER_28: So like one car made it by.
4:18
SPEAKER_28: The rest of them didn't didn't time it.
4:20
SPEAKER_28: So they all got stuck behind the other guy in the slow lane.
4:23
SPEAKER_28: So then we're back down to two lanes again, and finally when it opened up to three, it was a frickin' free-for-all.
4:32
SPEAKER_28: Like every all the cars just scattered.
4:36
SPEAKER_28: The guy who was in the slow lane, he moved over to the right seeing what was going on.
4:40
SPEAKER_28: The guy behind him tried to go and fill the gap.
4:43
SPEAKER_28: I tried to swing around to get behind the guy in the fast lane, almost converging with the guy in the far right lane who was coming over.
4:49
SPEAKER_28: It was it was it was a melee, man.
4:52
SPEAKER_28: It was an absolute melee.
4:54
SPEAKER_28: It made for a fun little, fun little moment, though, I'll tell you that much.
4:57
SPEAKER_28: So the lesson here is if you're in the fast lane, get out of it and go to the other lane.
5:02
SPEAKER_28: I don't understand.
5:03
SPEAKER_28: I don't understand how people do that, how people get stuck when they drive side by side and they match somebody's speed, someone's speed, it's just either slow down or speed up.
5:11
SPEAKER_28: You don't need to be driving right next to another vehicle unless you're in stacked traffic, right?
5:16
SPEAKER_28: Otherwise, it's just like you've got just slow down, just separate for crying out loud.
5:21
SPEAKER_28: So after that, it was pretty uneventful.
5:24
SPEAKER_28: All right, on the show this morning, we got a lot of guests joining us today.
5:27
SPEAKER_28: Um, Erica Lippmann, he's with the Public Utilities Commission, and he has a really interesting issue that you are going to want to hear about.
5:36
SPEAKER_28: He'll be joining us at uh 8:30 uh this morning.
5:38
SPEAKER_28: I know you may be going, and public utilities issue?
5:41
SPEAKER_28: What uh why why?
5:42
SPEAKER_28: Uh no, uh he actually is attempting to be preemptive.
5:47
SPEAKER_28: Um Rate Payer Association wants to keep state commissioners out of the Caribbean.
5:53
SPEAKER_28: You have uh commissioners for the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission that are spending ridiculous amounts of money on travel to other countries.
6:06
SPEAKER_28: Why?
6:06
SPEAKER_28: Your guess is as good as mine.
6:08
SPEAKER_28: We'll talk with Eric about this, but he's trying to get out ahead of it because there's no reason for these Minnesota Public Utility Commission individuals to be spending your taxpayer dollars to go traveling to the Caribbean.
6:21
SPEAKER_28: You know, Disneyland Pirates of the Caribbean or otherwise.
6:25
SPEAKER_28: It's my favorite ride.
6:27
SPEAKER_28: So he'll be joining us at uh at 8:30, right before that.
6:32
SPEAKER_28: Liz Collin from uh Alpha News.
6:34
SPEAKER_28: Uh she will be uh hopping on the show with us, looking forward to uh Liz's first appearance on uh the new iteration of the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
6:44
SPEAKER_28: Uh, we'll be specifically talking about Derek Chauvin seeking dismissal of the charges and in a bombshell filing, alleging unlawful and fraudulent conduct.
6:55
SPEAKER_28: So Liz Collin will be joining us at 8.15.
6:57
SPEAKER_28: And at 7.30 this morning, uh Lisa Damath gubernatorial lieutenant governor candidate, Ryan Wilson, will be uh sitting on the sofa um at uh again 7.30 here at the Center of the American Experiment Studios to talk about a press conference that Lisa gave uh yesterday uh calling out uh Amy Klobishar and her desire publicly since becoming the gubernatorial candidate to tackle fraud, but the fact that up until she started to run for governor, she didn't give a rip.
7:28
SPEAKER_28: Uh my words, not theirs, by the way.
7:30
SPEAKER_28: So uh we'll talk about that and the and uh other fraud-related uh issues and other issues regarding Lisa Damas' campaign.
7:38
SPEAKER_28: If you have any questions, by the way, for Ryan Wilson, you can get those in early.
7:41
SPEAKER_28: John dot justice at americanexperiment.org.
7:45
SPEAKER_28: Or you can uh leave us a blast at 612-584-4565.
7:52
SPEAKER_28: Again, 612-584-4565.
7:55
SPEAKER_28: We already have a lot of comments that have rolled in uh this morning before the show and after, and actually after the show ended uh yesterday.
8:02
SPEAKER_28: So we'll get to a few of these as we kick off um Wednesday's midweek show here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
8:11
SPEAKER_07: Hi, this is Lori Cammy, Diana Calling, longtime listener, never called in before.
8:15
SPEAKER_07: I just love to go live to your show with the music listening to communist cool Hayden enjoying myself.
8:25
SPEAKER_07: Anyway, love the new show.
8:26
SPEAKER_07: You should listen to the podcast for the made over.
8:29
SPEAKER_07: Listen live today.
8:31
SPEAKER_07: Looking forward to a great show.
8:34
SPEAKER_28: You can hear uh you can hear communism Kool-Aid jamming in the in the background.
8:40
SPEAKER_28: So I mentioned that I've been making my own personal music based off of poetry that I wrote back in the 90s.
8:47
SPEAKER_28: Okay.
8:48
SPEAKER_28: I'm telling you, they are some jams.
8:53
SPEAKER_28: I was listening to some of them on the way in this morning.
8:55
SPEAKER_28: I was thinking maybe I'll do a montage on a Freedom Friday.
8:57
SPEAKER_28: So instead of parodies uh to go and kick off the uh kick off the show, you can hear some uh some sweet um John Justice uh synth pop.
9:06
SPEAKER_28: Well, at least created by the AI overlords.
9:09
SPEAKER_28: Or maybe I want to torture you.
9:12
SPEAKER_28: Who knows?
9:14
SPEAKER_28: I have between now and Friday morning uh to uh to decide.
9:19
SPEAKER_28: So we'll get back to more of your comments coming up uh here in just a moment on the show.
9:23
SPEAKER_28: Again, 612-584-4565.
9:25
SPEAKER_28: Let's start here, though.
9:27
SPEAKER_28: Um, Melissa Ferris, she was accused of vandalizing the World War II memorial and was released under conditions including travel restrictions and a requirement to stay away from the memorial.
9:41
SPEAKER_28: Uh, I saw a picture of this woman, and she looks exactly like you would expect a white liberal woman who decided to go and vandalize the World War II memorial would look.
9:54
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
9:55
SPEAKER_28: Tattooed, old, disheveled, angry, unattractive, all of it.
10:02
SPEAKER_28: It couldn't be any more stereotypical.
10:04
SPEAKER_28: She couldn't have been any more stereotypical of a white liberal woman these days if she tried.
10:09
SPEAKER_28: So um, let's get into some of the details of this.
10:13
SPEAKER_28: And I have a question that I need some help on.
10:15
SPEAKER_28: So, Melissa Ferris, again, released on on uh on Monday after this hearing in the U.S.
10:20
SPEAKER_28: District Court of Columbia.
10:22
SPEAKER_28: Uh, the court ordered Ferris to submit to a supervision, to submit to supervision through the pretrial services agency.
10:29
SPEAKER_28: Uh, under the conditions of release, the court must approve any travel outside of the continental United States.
10:34
SPEAKER_28: The order requires Ferris to stay out of Washington, uh, D.C., except for or uh except for court or pretrial services.
10:43
SPEAKER_28: She must stay away from the Veterans Memorial and report to the pretrial services agency for a mental health screening and possible connection to mental health services if uh necessary.
10:54
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, listen, the woman needs help.
10:57
SPEAKER_28: As do almost everybody who's suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
11:01
SPEAKER_28: Again, I'll get to my question here in just a second because I have I have an idea.
11:04
SPEAKER_28: I have an idea how to deal with all this stuff, right?
11:06
SPEAKER_28: Because there's a lot of Trump derangement syndrome vandalism going on as of as of late.
11:12
SPEAKER_28: So um Ferris must also verify her address with the pretrial services and sign a release of information.
11:17
SPEAKER_28: Um do they have like addresses for spots on the sidewalk?
11:21
SPEAKER_28: I'm just one of curiosity.
11:23
SPEAKER_28: Because she looked, she looked homeless.
11:24
SPEAKER_28: She's probably not, but she looked homeless.
11:28
SPEAKER_28: The court standard conditions prohibit Ferris from violating federal law, state or local law while on release and require her to appear for future court proceedings.
11:37
SPEAKER_28: The court records show that Ferris was released on personal, on a personal bond, meaning the bond was not secured by cash or or uh or property.
11:45
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I mean listen, she did some she did some pretty uh some you know some pretty significant damage to the World War II memorial.
11:50
SPEAKER_28: Nothing that can't be fixed, but um, here's my question.
11:54
SPEAKER_28: So you know how the left moved a number of years, it was a long time, it was a number of years ago, right?
11:58
SPEAKER_28: We don't even really talk about it anymore.
12:00
SPEAKER_28: But they moved to uh punish people further under the guise of hate crimes, as if the crime wasn't bad enough as it is, you know, if this was done because somebody was hateful, right?
12:12
SPEAKER_28: We need to charge more.
12:13
SPEAKER_28: That kind of thing, which I just always thought was ridiculous.
12:15
SPEAKER_28: I understand the argument, but at the same time, if it's a crime, it's a crime.
12:19
SPEAKER_28: Be that as it may, and that opens up, you know, a can of worms when it comes to who is deciding what's a hate crime and what's not a hate crime.
12:25
SPEAKER_28: Be that as it may, we have things like hate crimes.
12:28
SPEAKER_28: Um, maybe we should start start uh charging these uh morons with TDS crimes.
12:35
SPEAKER_28: So, yes, you've been charged with vandalism, but there's an extra charge of also vandalism while suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
12:43
SPEAKER_28: I mean, it's kind of like a conservative version of a hate crime.
12:46
SPEAKER_28: So, with that, what would the punishment be?
12:50
SPEAKER_28: So if you were gonna charge somebody under Trump derangement syndrome, what would they you know, we're looking at restorative justice here, right?
12:57
SPEAKER_28: Rehabilitation.
12:59
SPEAKER_28: So how do you go and how do you go about punishing uh individuals like that?
13:04
SPEAKER_28: You know, I was thinking just as a start, and you can force them to to watch or listen to the John Justice show.
13:13
SPEAKER_28: You know, they're already a foe, and we have other foes.
13:16
SPEAKER_28: It might be a good might might be a good place to start.
13:18
SPEAKER_28: Could be a nice little re-education program, you know, insightful.
13:22
SPEAKER_28: Also entertaining.
13:25
SPEAKER_28: Make them listen before 6 a.m.
13:27
SPEAKER_28: and they can hear some sweet AI overlord parodies.
13:30
SPEAKER_28: I'd like to hear your thoughts.
13:32
SPEAKER_28: John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
13:36
SPEAKER_28: John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
13:39
SPEAKER_28: Um again, as part of rehabilitation for somebody charged under a fictitious just made up um extra Trump derangement syndrome charge.
13:51
SPEAKER_28: What should be part of their rehabilitation?
13:55
SPEAKER_28: 612-584-4565, leave us a blast.
13:58
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to your comments uh coming up shortly here on uh the John Justice Show.
14:03
SPEAKER_28: Uh one more item before we take just a real quick break.
14:06
SPEAKER_28: Um, Pete Hegseth, uh Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, friend of the show.
14:11
SPEAKER_28: Um he made a trip to Iowa, and it's raising some early questions about 2028.
14:18
SPEAKER_28: Appearances, right, in Iowa come as Republicans work to hold ground in that state where recent polling has shown tighter races than previous cycles.
14:29
SPEAKER_28: Now, listen, this could just be Secretary of War Pete Heggseth, was traveling to uh to Iowa.
14:33
SPEAKER_28: Um, he may not, you know, for his own for the reasons that I'll lay out here in just a moment, may have nothing to do with 2028 presidential aspirations, but it also, you know, there's there's reason to speculate here.
14:44
SPEAKER_28: Not the first time that somebody early on ahead of a presidential campaign has spent some time in uh in Iowa.
14:52
SPEAKER_28: Officials familiar with Hegseth's thinking told the Washington Post that the Iowa visit fits the actions of someone considering a run for the presidency after his time in the Trump administration ends.
15:04
SPEAKER_28: One of those officials, speaking anonymously, described the trip as something of a test run for a possible 2028 bid.
15:11
SPEAKER_28: Heggseth had traveled to the state in his personal capacity and appeared with several House and Senate Republicans.
15:18
SPEAKER_28: The Pentagon confirmed that he traveled aboard a U.S.
15:21
SPEAKER_28: military aircraft because he is designated as a frequent use doing that thing with my fingers traveler.
15:28
SPEAKER_28: So that status requires Hegseth to use military aircraft for official and personal travel because of the need for secure communications, transportation associated with his national security uh responsibilities.
15:38
SPEAKER_28: He appeared on Monday alongside uh Representative Zach Nunn out of Iowa, where he praised Nunn and defended uh continued American involvement uh in the war in Iran.
15:50
SPEAKER_28: He also appeared alongside Representative Ashley Henson, the Republican nominee for an open Senate seat being vacated by the retiring Senator Joni Ernst, and was expected to appear with uh Representative uh Miller Meeks as uh as well.
16:04
SPEAKER_28: The appearance has come as Republicans work to hold ground in the state, as I mentioned, where recent polling has shown tighter races than uh previous cycles.
16:11
SPEAKER_28: And there was an interesting uh race in Florida that we'll talk about here in just a moment on the show, where that idiot Vinman was running against a Democrat socialist and he lost.
16:23
SPEAKER_28: And I have some audio um from the DSA member that actually did win that election.
16:29
SPEAKER_28: Oh, she's a peach.
16:31
SPEAKER_28: So I'll share that with you coming up in uh in just a moment.
16:34
SPEAKER_28: At this event, by the way, in Iowa, um Pete Heggseth had a uh a rather comical um exchange.
16:42
SPEAKER_28: He almost fell over laughing at a reporter who, as you'll hear in this clip, ended up taking issue with him saying our boys in reference to the B-2 pilots involved in recent operations.
16:58
SPEAKER_28: So why did she take issue with that?
16:59
SPEAKER_28: Because our boys isn't inclusive.
17:02
SPEAKER_28: What about our girls?
17:05
SPEAKER_28: I'm not even I'm not even joking.
17:07
SPEAKER_28: Uh here's the uh here's the exchange.
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SPEAKER_35: I don't um acknowledge the female pilots that also participated in this mission.
17:13
SPEAKER_35: The early messages that you sent out only congratulated the boys.
17:17
SPEAKER_34: So when I say something like our boys and bombers, see, this is the kind of thing the press does, right?
17:21
SPEAKER_34: Of course, the chairman mentioned a female bomber pilot.
17:24
SPEAKER_34: That's fantastic.
17:25
SPEAKER_34: She's fantastic.
17:26
SPEAKER_34: She's a hero.
17:27
SPEAKER_34: I want more female bomber pilots.
17:28
SPEAKER_34: I hope the men and women of our country sign up to do such brave and audacious things.
17:32
SPEAKER_34: But when you spin it as because I say our boys and bombers is a common phrase, I'll I'll keep saying things like that, whether they're men or women.
17:40
SPEAKER_34: Very proud of that female pilot, just like I'm very proud of those male pilots, and I don't care if it's a male or a female in that cockpit, and the American people don't care.
17:48
SPEAKER_34: But it's the obsession with race and gender uh in this department that's changed priorities.
17:55
SPEAKER_34: We don't do that anymore.
17:56
SPEAKER_34: We don't play your little games.
18:03
SPEAKER_28: By the way, just real quick, uh, I see your comments are already uh rolling in uh regarding some uh suggestions of uh rehabilitation from somebody who has been charged with a uh TDS crime.
18:17
SPEAKER_28: Uh to 612-584-4565.
18:22
SPEAKER_28: But getting back to Pete Hegseth and the possibility of him running in 2028, can you imagine the debates for just a moment?
18:29
SPEAKER_28: Let's just just I'll just put three names out there.
18:32
SPEAKER_28: Uh JD Vance, Marco Rubio, and Pete Hegseth all on the same stage having a debate.
18:37
SPEAKER_28: I mean, that would be amazing.
18:39
SPEAKER_28: That would be absolutely I mean, just to have them all as candidates would be absolutely amazing, especially when you consider who the Democrat nominees might end up being.
18:50
SPEAKER_28: Like your Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or your Gavin Newsom's.
18:56
SPEAKER_28: Yes.
18:57
SPEAKER_28: Grab your popcorn.
18:58
SPEAKER_28: It's gonna be a fun ride.
18:59
SPEAKER_28: All right.
19:00
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to your comments coming up.
19:02
SPEAKER_28: Your thoughts on uh what uh should we do?
19:05
SPEAKER_28: If there were charges against an individual for suffering from Trump derangement syndrome, how do we go about handling restorative justice?
19:12
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to your thoughts coming up in just a moment.
19:15
SPEAKER_28: Also, um, as I mentioned, this uh Senate race shocker that uh that unfolded uh yesterday, stunning upset, leftist Angie Nixon barely has any money, has won the U.S.
19:29
SPEAKER_28: Senate uh primary against Alex Vindman.
19:32
SPEAKER_28: And we'll share some audio uh with you from this lunatic coming up in just a moment here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
19:40
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19:42
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19:43
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SPEAKER_25: By the way, the class of twenty twenty five just posted the worst academic performance on record for a graduating cohort.
20:28
SPEAKER_25: But wait, that's why they earned, of course, the highest graduation rate ever.
20:33
SPEAKER_25: Record low academic performance, they can't read at do math read at grade level, they can't do math at grade level, the schools aren't teaching them anything, but they're still graduating in record numbers.
20:44
SPEAKER_24: It's crazy, they do such a disservice.
20:46
SPEAKER_24: How do we expect them to be successful?
20:48
SPEAKER_24: We're just setting them up for um failure, which is really sad.
20:52
SPEAKER_12: All the special interests are represented in St.
20:54
SPEAKER_12: Paul, but who speaks for you?
20:57
SPEAKER_12: Center of the American Experiment does.
20:59
SPEAKER_12: Our policy fellows dig into the tough issues that matter to you and offer common sense solutions on education, taxes, crime, and energy.
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21:12
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21:22
SPEAKER_24: I looked it up, and the percentage of children in poverty in Minnesota is about 10%, which is lower than the national average.
21:30
SPEAKER_24: So how come somewhere around a third, 33% say of children in Minnesota are on Medicaid if they aren't poor?
21:37
SPEAKER_23: Sure, my kids are grown now, but I had three kids that I raised, and for us, we could make over$100,000 a year and still our kids would be on Medicaid, if you can imagine that.
21:51
SPEAKER_23: That's middle class.
21:52
SPEAKER_23: That's crazy.
21:53
SPEAKER_23: And uh, you know, we also as a state, I think we should really measure ourselves by how few people have.
22:00
SPEAKER_23: To rely on the government for health care, not how many.
22:02
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22:11
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22:14
SPEAKER_23: And we really see that in the numbers in Medicaid, which have just exploded.
22:19
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22:20
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22:27
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22:31
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22:38
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22:39
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22:44
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22:54
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23:05
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23:10
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23:15
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23:52
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23:55
SPEAKER_28: Glad you're with us this morning.
23:56
SPEAKER_28: A lot of comments have been rolling into the blaster line on the things that we've already discussed since the uh start of the show.
24:03
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to your suggestions talking about the uh woman who vandalized the World War II memorial uh released with uh restrictions.
24:12
SPEAKER_28: And, you know, since we charge for hate crimes, shouldn't we be charging for Trump derangements syndrome suffering crimes?
24:20
SPEAKER_28: And what should the punishment be?
24:22
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to your thoughts here in uh just a moment.
24:24
SPEAKER_28: I was also uh talking about the potential of Pete Hegseth running for office for the presidency in 2028 and my drive in uh this morning.
24:34
SPEAKER_28: So let's get to some of your thoughts early on the John Justice show.
24:39
SPEAKER_28: And we'll hear from a friend of the show, uh Andrew, to kick off our comments.
24:42
SPEAKER_11: Hey, John.
24:43
SPEAKER_11: I got running the same thing up on my house uh with these uh slow cars.
24:49
SPEAKER_11: There's a single lane that's like 55 if you can go like 45 or 50 from the front to stay there, and that's like two miles, then it flips into two lanes, and everybody tries to get around them, and then the car speeds up.
25:03
SPEAKER_11: It's like they know there's no way to get around them, so they stay slow.
25:06
SPEAKER_11: It's just nuts.
25:08
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
25:09
SPEAKER_28: Use some better discretion.
25:11
SPEAKER_28: You know what was tough about that situation driving in, by the way, is that there's nothing you can do.
25:15
SPEAKER_28: That's the hard part is that as a driver in the middle of it, there's nothing that you can do about it.
25:20
SPEAKER_28: You're you're stuck.
25:22
SPEAKER_28: Right?
25:22
SPEAKER_28: It's not like you could, it's not like I could make a decision to fix the problem unless you just decide to pull over and let everybody get way out of head and you don't have to go and deal with it anymore.
25:32
SPEAKER_28: Uh, friend of the show, Scott, is up early.
25:34
SPEAKER_28: He wants to talk about the woman who vandalized the World War II Memorial on the Scott Conn level, one to five.
25:41
SPEAKER_28: Where do we think his enthusiasm is this morning, producer Devin?
25:44
SPEAKER_28: Three and a half.
25:45
SPEAKER_28: You're going three and a half?
25:46
SPEAKER_28: All right.
25:46
SPEAKER_28: I'm gonna say, you know, I'm gonna go five.
25:48
SPEAKER_28: Wow.
25:49
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, he's talking about a woman suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
25:52
SPEAKER_28: I think he's gonna be fired up this morning.
25:53
SPEAKER_28: Let's find out.
25:55
SPEAKER_08: Well, John Devin, I saw that woman.
25:57
SPEAKER_08: Yes, John, she is that typical left of center crazy person with the cats, etc.
26:03
SPEAKER_08: What we need to start doing to these people is they need to put them into uh some sort of one or two years of hard labor, pounding rocks that are larger into smaller rocks or gravel.
26:15
SPEAKER_08: That'll get their attention with much of flat.
26:19
SPEAKER_28: I'll give it to you.
26:20
SPEAKER_28: He wasn't quite there.
26:21
SPEAKER_28: I think it was closer to uh to what you to what you mentioned.
26:24
SPEAKER_28: Oh, he's entertaining.
26:25
SPEAKER_28: Friend of the show, Scott is 612-584-4565, if you want to leave a comment.
26:38
SPEAKER_18: Keg breath.
26:39
SPEAKER_18: And have roll out the barrel playing as he goes into a public gathering just to troll the left so hard.
26:46
SPEAKER_18: That would be freaking awesome.
26:48
SPEAKER_28: That was a really, you know, for the left's ability, considering the left's ability to label things really well, I mean, they do.
26:57
SPEAKER_28: They play the, you know, they play the identity and the label game, you know, better than than uh Republicans do.
27:03
SPEAKER_28: That being said, the Pete Kegg's breath one never really worked for me.
27:07
SPEAKER_28: It was a bit of a stretch.
27:08
SPEAKER_28: It's like when people would say, you know, it's John just ass.
27:12
SPEAKER_28: I get that one a lot.
27:13
SPEAKER_28: Or as uh foe of the show, uh Phil uh would say, you know, John injustice.
27:18
SPEAKER_28: It's like, can you can you get any clever, clever than that?
27:21
SPEAKER_28: Pete Kegg's breath, it doesn't exactly roll off the uh roll off the tongue.
27:26
SPEAKER_18: Good morning, John.
27:27
SPEAKER_18: Daryl, first time calling since you're new show.
27:30
SPEAKER_18: Just a quick thought on the Trump derangement syndrome.
27:33
SPEAKER_18: If you hate this country enough to damage one of our national monuments, you should lose your voting rights for ten years.
27:39
SPEAKER_18: If you are hard voting, you should be penalized as someone who is unable to vote as double the penalty.
27:48
SPEAKER_18: Thank you.
27:49
SPEAKER_28: Boy, I would love to see it would be interesting to see the court challenges to something like that.
27:59
SPEAKER_28: I would love to see the back and forth debate over stripping somebody of their voting rights for acting in an unpatriotic way.
28:09
SPEAKER_28: That would be really interesting to see, to get some lawyers, some scholars.
28:16
SPEAKER_28: I'd be curious what a friend of the show, James Dickey, uh, has to say about that.
28:21
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, he's pretty he's pretty even even keeled in his lawyer expertise.
28:26
SPEAKER_28: But that would be an interesting one.
28:27
SPEAKER_28: That would be a very interesting one.
28:28
SPEAKER_28: Thank you, uh, Daryl, for that.
28:29
SPEAKER_28: Maybe that's one that we'll save for um for Freedom Friday.
28:32
SPEAKER_28: Should have a full house, by the way, for Freedom Uh Friday this week.
28:35
SPEAKER_28: Looking forward to it.
28:35
SPEAKER_28: Let's go and hear from uh I believe this is Debbie.
28:41
SPEAKER_21: Good morning.
28:42
SPEAKER_21: I think that the pr punishment should be to listen to President Trump or to um watch some of the rallies.
28:54
SPEAKER_21: Have a good day.
28:55
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, thank you for that.
28:56
SPEAKER_28: I was I was thinking that as well.
28:58
SPEAKER_28: I was kind of waiting for somebody to go and bring it up.
29:00
SPEAKER_28: But that was one of the the first thing that I thought of was subject them to President Donald Trump uh speeches.
29:06
SPEAKER_28: Or put together like a montage of President Donald Trump being really, really nice to people.
29:12
SPEAKER_28: Complimenting children, that 16-year-old lifeguard who was at the White House earlier this week.
29:18
SPEAKER_28: Put together a compilation of just Trump, the the nicest version of Trump possible, because I would imagine that would drive a Trump derangement syndrome sufferer mad.
29:29
SPEAKER_28: You know, like when they get the terrorists and they strap them all up half naked and they crank out like Metallica ride the lightning.
29:38
SPEAKER_28: These are all fantastic ideas.
29:40
SPEAKER_28: Best audience ever, by the way.
29:42
SPEAKER_18: Hey God.
29:44
SPEAKER_18: Brandon.
29:46
SPEAKER_18: I think they should have to watch every season and episode of The Apprentice back to back.
29:55
SPEAKER_18: With no break.
29:57
SPEAKER_18: Have a great day.
29:58
SPEAKER_28: By the way, do I get my MAGA card stripped if I've never watched The Apprentice?
30:05
SPEAKER_28: I didn't have I've never watched a I don't even I don't even think like a a portion of a single episode of the of The Apprentice.
30:12
SPEAKER_28: Devin, did you ever watch the the The Apprentice?
30:15
SPEAKER_28: No, I never checked it out.
30:16
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
30:17
SPEAKER_28: You know, honestly, I don't even know I'm so unfamiliar.
30:20
SPEAKER_28: I'm like, I know The Apprentice.
30:21
SPEAKER_28: I know that Trump hosted it, and I know there are other hosts later on, but now that I think about it, I don't even really know what the baseline of the whole show is, to be honest with you.
30:29
SPEAKER_28: I've never watched a so does that not make me MAGA?
30:31
SPEAKER_28: Am I not MAGA anymore?
30:33
SPEAKER_28: Am I gonna have that stripped for me?
30:36
SPEAKER_28: Continue your comments rolling in of the what the punishment should be against those charged with a crime uh suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
30:44
SPEAKER_28: You don't have to answer the uh the other one.
30:46
SPEAKER_28: I was just uh I was just being silly.
30:48
SPEAKER_28: Let's go back to the blaster.
30:49
SPEAKER_18: Hey John, it sounds like you have a wonderful opportunity to start an intervention service that could be funded by old Medicaid or something to take care of these PDF sufferers.
31:02
SPEAKER_28: You know, if we did uh end up moving forward with um legislation to charge individuals for uh crimes while suffering from Trump derangement syndrome, we'd have to come up with another terminology.
31:15
SPEAKER_28: You'd have to we'd have to come up with something a little bit more official than Trump derangement syndrome.
31:20
SPEAKER_28: I'll have to um I'll workshop that.
31:22
SPEAKER_28: I'll put it forward to the uh to the AI overlords and see if they can't uh come up with something.
31:27
SPEAKER_28: We'll continue to take your thoughts regarding what the punishment should be for those suffering from uh Trump derangement syndrome who commit a crime.
31:34
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34:32
SPEAKER_28: Let's get back to some of your thoughts here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
34:37
SPEAKER_10: Good morning, John.
34:38
SPEAKER_10: I think the punishment needs to be on repeat.
34:41
SPEAKER_10: God bless the USA.
34:43
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
34:45
SPEAKER_10: And country girl take me home.
34:48
SPEAKER_10: Just on repeat, over and over.
34:51
SPEAKER_28: You know, if you're looking to re uh uh rehabilitate a Trump derangement syndrome um sufferer, that's a good way uh to do it.
34:58
SPEAKER_28: Speaking of those suffering from Trump Derangement syndrome, let's go back to the blaster line this morning.
35:04
SPEAKER_27: Here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiments.
35:07
SPEAKER_05: Hey, good morning for Brainerd.
35:09
SPEAKER_05: Yes, please, please, please, Rod Hag said for the man who lied about how many interceptors we've wasted on the Iran War.
35:22
SPEAKER_05: 25% defending Israel.
35:24
SPEAKER_05: By the way, my thoughts for that is Defender for Strategic International Studies, which is a war hawk uh think tank to actually practice think tank or four-time actual.
35:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm wondering if on stage he'll he'll get drunk and yell kill all Muslims like he did in the past and wait to the hotel lobby, or if he'll you know abuse a woman and pay her off because Me Too is is coming back or whatever.
35:53
SPEAKER_28: Did you get all that from the Center of Strategic International Studies too?
35:56
SPEAKER_28: Or uh just from your other mm left-wing rags?
36:01
SPEAKER_05: Um pastfully flawed candidates and with the failing Iran war, which is our new Vietnam.
36:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we'll see.
36:08
SPEAKER_05: I'll leave uh another um fact-based voicemail about later this morning uh with some actual facts.
36:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm done.
36:21
SPEAKER_28: Thank you, um, foes of the show, for leaving your uh comments uh much uh much appreciated.
36:26
SPEAKER_28: Uh no thoughts on the uh Trump derangement uh syndrome uh crime charges there uh uh voice disguised to Eric from Brainerd.
36:35
SPEAKER_28: I'm a little bit disappointed in you.
36:38
SPEAKER_28: But thank you for leaving a comment nonetheless.
36:40
SPEAKER_06: I think that woman that vandalized the World War II memorial should be cleaning it up herself.
36:48
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I do too.
36:49
SPEAKER_06: And then someone should be watching her making sure she gets every inch of that filth off of that and make her think about what she's done while Katie playing some John Justice while she's cleaning it up.
37:05
SPEAKER_28: I like the uh I like the added angle in there of the let them think about their crimes.
37:09
SPEAKER_28: The left's always about that, right?
37:10
SPEAKER_28: Gotta think upon this, gotta have listening sessions.
37:13
SPEAKER_28: We're gonna reflect on this, right?
37:15
SPEAKER_28: Anytime there's a tragedy, there's a lot of reflecting going on from uh from those on the left.
37:20
SPEAKER_28: All right, one more, and we'll dive into this Senate race in uh Florida.
37:24
SPEAKER_28: Let's hear from another friend of the show this morning.
37:28
SPEAKER_17: I don't think there should be a penalty attached when there's a Trump derangement syndrome, a problem attached to a crime.
37:37
unknown: Because it's a sickness.
37:39
SPEAKER_17: And they should be forced to get treatment instead because they are a hateful, uh hostile, malignant person, and there's something wrong in their mind for the need.
37:54
SPEAKER_17: Yeah.
37:54
SPEAKER_28: Well, I again, uh having some fun with it and not getting too dark because that was getting a little dark.
37:59
SPEAKER_28: Either way, Bob, I do appreciate your uh your comment this morning.
38:02
SPEAKER_28: 612-584-4565.
38:05
SPEAKER_28: So as I mentioned, it was a stunning upset.
38:08
SPEAKER_28: Uh Alex Vindman was uh fighting in a primary in uh Florida against a self-proclaimed leftist DSA member, Angie uh Nixon.
38:18
SPEAKER_28: Here is uh some of the reporting, I believe, from uh CNN over what was a shocker on the left.
38:24
SPEAKER_39: Alex Vindman in the Democratic primary for the United States Senate in Florida.
38:28
SPEAKER_39: This one is a monster of an upset.
38:32
SPEAKER_39: Vinman raised a ton of money, came into this with a ton of national, national name recognition, national support in this race, and the hope of Democrats that he could make this.
38:46
SPEAKER_39: We're gonna do news now here in a second, that he could make this a fight, put Florida on the map nationally.
38:51
SPEAKER_39: Instead, Angie Nixon from the left has defeated him handily in this primary.
38:56
SPEAKER_39: About to do the news now hit.
38:58
SPEAKER_28: Listen, the um the Democrat Party is the party of the DSA now.
39:04
SPEAKER_27: We are the Democrat Party now.
39:06
SPEAKER_28: They're the party of the DSA now.
39:09
SPEAKER_28: This is just another example of that.
39:12
SPEAKER_28: When you have these low-turn-out primaries and you have ground games organized by those that align themselves with the Democrat Socialists of America, these communists, they already have great ground games to work from because of what they do already in terms of their of their protesting.
39:34
SPEAKER_28: And so, because of that, in these races in Florida, in these races across the country, as I've said on the show, the further you are from President Donald Trump, the more likely you are to win a primary election.
39:51
SPEAKER_28: Now, the general election's a completely different story, which is why Democrats are upset that this individual ended up winning over Vinman.
39:57
SPEAKER_28: Vineman's a lunatic anyway, so he's a darling on the uh on the left.
40:02
SPEAKER_28: I'm sure he's taking this loss well.
40:04
SPEAKER_28: This Angie Nixon is more than likely going to be a fairly easy win against the uh GOP challenger in the in the general.
40:15
SPEAKER_28: But this is where the Democrat Party has landed, and this is another example of that.
40:18
SPEAKER_28: So who is this woman?
40:19
SPEAKER_28: Well, she's made the rounds recently.
40:21
SPEAKER_28: Uh we'll go here first.
40:23
SPEAKER_28: Uh she, of course, falls right in line with the rest of the DSA platform.
40:27
SPEAKER_33: Some of the agenda includes uh things that have been controversial, things you did not name, by the way, in what is most important to you and the voters of Florida, including defunding police or abolishing prisons.
40:39
SPEAKER_33: Because those are part of the platform that the DSA officially agenda has talked about, do you support those or want to be distanced from those in people's consideration?
40:48
SPEAKER_04: So I want to be clear.
40:49
SPEAKER_04: There are things that are a part of the Democratic clearly platform.
40:54
SPEAKER_28: Can uh everybody has crutches.
40:56
SPEAKER_28: I certainly have my fair share on the on the show.
40:59
SPEAKER_28: Things that you say over and over again, word fillers and things like that.
41:03
SPEAKER_28: This whole um let me be clear.
41:09
SPEAKER_28: Typically, when you have any Democrat saying, Let me be clear, usually it means whatever is coming out of their mouth next is either ridiculous or a lie.
41:28
SPEAKER_04: I am a I want to abolish for-profit prisons because I believe right now um people aren't educating our children and they're ushering them into the school to prison pipeline because they want to exploit uh labor.
41:40
SPEAKER_04: They're enhancing penalties because they want cheap labor.
41:43
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so those are some of the things that I am supportive of.
41:47
SPEAKER_28: So she supports abolishing prisons and then letting criminals back out onto the streets of uh Florida.
41:53
SPEAKER_28: As if Florida already didn't have its fair share of crazy individuals.
41:57
SPEAKER_28: It doesn't stop there though.
41:58
SPEAKER_28: No, no, no, I have one more.
42:00
SPEAKER_28: In a subsequent interview, um she also uh talked about drag shows and how she doesn't see what the she doesn't understand what the big deal is about drag shows, especially when it comes to children.
42:12
SPEAKER_04: I don't understand, like there's no sexualization at a drag show.
42:16
SPEAKER_04: It's just people dressing up and singing and performing.
42:19
SPEAKER_04: I've taken my children to drag shows and it's fun, it's entertainment, it's wholesome entertainment, and it's nothing wrong.
42:28
SPEAKER_04: It's just yeah, like I don't, I don't get it.
42:33
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, you clearly don't uh don't get it.
42:36
SPEAKER_28: Um a drag queen.
42:38
SPEAKER_28: So I went, I just I I wanted to, I had my own counter to this when I saw it, but I wanted to get some official some of some official language, right?
42:48
SPEAKER_28: So uh the whole term drag, I wasn't aware of this until I went looking it up.
42:52
SPEAKER_28: Uh it was a 1971 article in Lee Brewster's Drag Queens uh magazine that described a drag queen as a homosexual transvestite who was hyper-feminine, flamboyant, and militant.
43:06
SPEAKER_28: Drag queens further described as having an attitude of superiority, commonly courted by heterosexual men who would not ordinarily participate in homosexual relationships, while the term drag queen implied to homosexual transvestite, the term drag carried no such connotations.
43:24
SPEAKER_28: A drag queen is a person, usually male, dresses in clothing and makeup, to imitate and often exaggerate female gender signifiers and gender roles for experimental purposes.
43:34
SPEAKER_28: Historically, drag queens, again, have usually been gay men and have been a part of the uh of the gay culture.
43:40
SPEAKER_28: I only bring all of that up because does that sound like something that children should be involved in?
43:46
SPEAKER_28: Young children whose brains aren't fully developed yet and haven't been exposed to anything and shouldn't be exposed to anything of a sexual nature.
43:55
SPEAKER_28: Does that sound like something that's appropriate for children?
43:58
SPEAKER_28: I know I don't need to convince you of that.
43:59
SPEAKER_28: I just want to.
44:00
SPEAKER_28: To go through this little exercise.
44:02
SPEAKER_28: And let me add one more thing to that.
44:05
SPEAKER_28: You could take children to literally anything else that is appropriate.
44:11
SPEAKER_28: That's the other part of this whole thing.
44:13
SPEAKER_28: Often when we get into these debates and arguments over these issues and you hear ridiculous statements coming from these communists like this Angie Nixon, and I don't see what the big deal is when it comes to taking a child to a drag show.
44:27
SPEAKER_28: There's nothing sexual about it.
44:28
SPEAKER_28: Give me a break already.
44:30
SPEAKER_28: Okay.
44:32
SPEAKER_28: But even before you go down the road of arguing whether or not a drag show is or isn't appropriate for children, just stop and go.
44:43
SPEAKER_28: Can you not think of one, two, three better places to go and take a child for entertainment purposes before you even get to one that could be deemed controversial?
44:55
SPEAKER_28: I mean, go to a circus for crying out loud before you if you want to see them entertained by colorful individuals who are gallivanting around, at least do it in a place where it is actually designed for children.
45:10
SPEAKER_28: And there's animals and stuff and stuff involved.
45:13
SPEAKER_28: If you want to leave a comment, 612-584-4565.
45:17
SPEAKER_28: Again, 612-584-4565.
45:20
SPEAKER_28: That is the uh blaster line.
45:22
SPEAKER_28: You can also email me, john.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
45:28
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to some of your thoughts here in just a moment.
45:30
SPEAKER_28: I do have, though, further drag show related news relevant to you to share with you this morning.
45:36
SPEAKER_28: So you know the Minnesota State Fair is coming up, right?
45:38
SPEAKER_28: Uh Devin, where do you land on the where do you land on the state fair typically?
45:42
SPEAKER_28: Is this something that you uh uh that you and your significant other like to go and attend?
45:46
SPEAKER_15: Uh I haven't been in a few years, but I do enjoy it.
45:51
SPEAKER_15: Yeah, I wouldn't say I go out of my way to make it every year.
45:55
SPEAKER_28: Why haven't you gone recently?
45:56
SPEAKER_28: Just haven't I just haven't wanted to or just haven't had the time?
46:00
SPEAKER_28: Just haven't had the time, really.
46:01
SPEAKER_28: Uh Catherine and Grace on this week's American Experiment podcast uh talk a little bit about this.
46:05
SPEAKER_28: Catherine, by the way, uh the wild card on Freedom Fridays, huge fan of the fair.
46:12
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, she is she is probably the biggest defender that I know of the Minnesota State Fair to the point where I think I'm gonna think I'm gonna wrankle her on Friday a little bit, maybe get into some to some fair uh some fair conversations.
46:26
SPEAKER_28: Uh we will be at the Minnesota State Fair coming up on Saturday, the 29th.
46:29
SPEAKER_28: I will be there 11 until 1.
46:32
SPEAKER_28: So I hope that you make plans to come and uh join American Experiment and come on by and see me.
46:37
SPEAKER_28: I think we're gonna have some Freedom Friday people there.
46:39
SPEAKER_28: I believe Catherine and Grace will be there.
46:43
SPEAKER_28: Uh but 11 to 1 in uh at the Center of the American Experiment uh booth, which is located near the grandstand, on uh Saturday the 28th.
46:52
SPEAKER_28: Make plans to come and join us.
46:53
SPEAKER_28: I bring all of this up because um Drag Review is going to be performing this year at the Minnesota State Fair for the first time as part of the Arts Affair program.
47:04
SPEAKER_28: This is a bi POC-focused review founded by Kevin Bills, also known as uh La La L-U-Z-I-U-S.
47:16
SPEAKER_28: Lusius?
47:17
SPEAKER_28: Lush luscious?
47:19
SPEAKER_28: It's gotta be luscious.
47:21
SPEAKER_28: L-U-Z I-U-S?
47:23
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
47:24
SPEAKER_28: La la luscious.
47:26
SPEAKER_28: But they just spelled it with a Z because it's more street that way.
47:29
SPEAKER_28: It's more drag that way.
47:31
SPEAKER_28: Maybe?
47:31
SPEAKER_28: I don't know.
47:32
SPEAKER_28: Uh it aims to amplify inclusive entertainment and showcase the diversity of Minnesota's drag scene at the Minnesota State Fair.
47:41
SPEAKER_28: Fantastic, right?
47:43
SPEAKER_28: I have some further details on this I'll share with just a moment.
47:45
SPEAKER_28: Let's get back to uh some of your thoughts from the blaster line this morning here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiments.
47:51
SPEAKER_18: Good morning, John Rich here.
47:52
SPEAKER_18: So we're talking about kids being exposed to drag queens and this agenda of the law.
47:59
SPEAKER_18: Now, did Minnesota pass a new law called anti-grooming?
48:04
SPEAKER_18: So once this be considered grooming, taking children to such things like this, then you should be charged in Minnesota now from credit.
48:12
SPEAKER_28: Well, it depends on what they're putting under the grooming laws.
48:15
SPEAKER_28: And I don't think that this ends up following under the the grooming laws.
48:19
SPEAKER_28: For the very reason that you know Angie Nixon, the DSA primary winner in the Senate race in Florida, you know, talked about.
48:28
SPEAKER_28: I don't see how there's any problem with it.
48:29
SPEAKER_28: On the left, they don't see this as grooming um at all.
48:36
SPEAKER_28: Getting back to uh the state fair, crafts of all kinds, looking at the article here, abound at the Minnesota State Fair, but the draw, the jaw-dropping art of drag has long been left off the list.
48:49
SPEAKER_28: Oh boy.
48:52
SPEAKER_28: However, did the fair go on without having drag shows up until now.
48:55
SPEAKER_28: It's unbelievable.
48:57
SPEAKER_28: That's right.
48:58
SPEAKER_28: Power Crag Review.
49:00
SPEAKER_28: That's the official name.
49:02
SPEAKER_28: Power Calon Drag Review will close out the first two days of the Arts Affair program.
49:08
SPEAKER_28: That's a apostrophe fair program, celebrating their distinction as the first drag production uh production company selected to perform at the fair.
49:17
SPEAKER_28: Uh, so the variety shows for performances for anybody that was curious.
49:20
SPEAKER_28: 3:30, 430, 530, 630.
49:22
SPEAKER_28: I think you'd be very busy.
49:24
SPEAKER_28: There's a lot of very busy drag queens.
49:26
SPEAKER_28: On August 27th and 28th, oh, they're not going to be there today.
49:30
SPEAKER_28: We're going to be there.
49:31
SPEAKER_28: What a disappointment.
49:31
SPEAKER_28: I'm so sad.
49:33
SPEAKER_28: We should move our day so we can be there when the drag queens perform.
49:37
SPEAKER_28: Um, a unique uh blend of comedy, dance, and music.
49:41
SPEAKER_28: They're going to express themselves through the art of dance.
49:44
SPEAKER_28: The exuberant uh melody of genre and culture in its own right, Arts of Fair promotes pop-up performances that sweep across the fairgrounds and speak to the diversity of Minnesota artistry.
49:56
SPEAKER_28: Introducing the joy of drag to the great Minnesota get together will be a milestone for self-expression and an incredible honor.
50:04
SPEAKER_28: Uh, this is according to uh La La Luscious Director of Power, Colonel Drag Review.
50:12
SPEAKER_28: I wonder if I can get him to perform here on the show.
50:16
SPEAKER_28: I don't think I don't think we have the I mean we certainly have the lighting for it.
50:20
SPEAKER_28: I don't think we have the space for it, though.
50:23
SPEAKER_28: We can get them all lined up on the we can at least get four drag queens on the comfy chairs in the sofa here at the American Experiment uh studio.
50:32
SPEAKER_28: And we can talk about power colon drag review.
50:38
SPEAKER_28: The by P O C focus musical sketch was founded by La La Luscious.
50:43
SPEAKER_28: And again, if I'm saying if you think I'm saying that wrong, please tell me.
50:46
SPEAKER_28: It's L-U-Z-I-O-U-S.
50:52
SPEAKER_28: L-U-Z-I-O-U-S.
50:53
SPEAKER_28: So am I missing?
50:54
SPEAKER_28: I'm I'm really bad at this if you don't know.
50:56
SPEAKER_28: I'm really bad when it comes to fancy names like this.
50:58
SPEAKER_28: For those that have been listening to the show long enough, you know the whole Mr.
51:02
SPEAKER_28: Zer Polaris Razor debacle on that Freedom, Freedom Friday where I didn't know that it was pronounced Razor.
51:11
SPEAKER_28: So if you think that it's something other than Luscious of L-U-Z-I-U-S, let us know.
51:17
SPEAKER_28: Um, however, Lala says the goal of expanding opportunities in the Twin Cities for historically underrepresented queer performers and artists.
51:25
SPEAKER_28: Power, oh, I'm sorry, that's Power Colonel Drag Review, regularly hosts events at other locations that you don't need to uh to know about.
51:33
SPEAKER_28: And then they get further into what this all entails.
51:36
SPEAKER_28: And quite honestly, I uh don't care uh nearly uh that nearly that much apart from sharing the story uh with you and hearing from uh from you on the blaster line this morning at 612-584-456.
51:49
SPEAKER_18: Oh my god, I am so sick of these idiots.
51:51
SPEAKER_18: Toaster is a right.
51:53
SPEAKER_18: No, it's not.
51:54
SPEAKER_18: Let's illustrate it.
51:56
SPEAKER_18: Two people need emergency surgery in the next 15 minutes.
52:00
SPEAKER_18: There's one surgeon.
52:02
SPEAKER_18: Guess what?
52:03
SPEAKER_18: Somebody's gonna die.
52:05
SPEAKER_18: That means it's not a right.
52:06
SPEAKER_18: It depends on an externality.
52:08
SPEAKER_18: A right does not depend on anything else.
52:10
SPEAKER_18: It exists, it doesn't require anything from anybody.
52:14
SPEAKER_28: Were we talking about did I miss the I appreciate the comment, as always, from the uh from the friend of the show, but did I miss were we talking about healthcare at some point?
52:25
SPEAKER_28: It would be odd if he was listening to another show and he left that, because that's a that's kind of a that's kind of a a leap.
52:31
SPEAKER_28: So maybe he'll uh let me in on.
52:33
SPEAKER_28: I I don't I I like his comments on healthcare.
52:35
SPEAKER_28: I just don't believe we were talking about healthcare.
52:37
SPEAKER_28: Hey, uh friend of the show, lawyer uh James Dickey answered the call as I hoped that he would and left us a blast.
52:42
SPEAKER_16: Hey John, James Dickey here.
52:44
SPEAKER_16: On your question about the voting right removal for defacing a federal monument, well, state law determines when someone might lose their voting rights if they commit a felony, and if you defaced a federal monument and it's a felony, then under the laws of your state, you have those rights removed.
53:02
SPEAKER_16: And you know, as we all know, the Minnesota Constitution says that if you've been convicted of a felony, you can't vote until your civil rights are restored.
53:11
SPEAKER_16: Uh and you know, the trifects are trying to change that, of course.
53:14
SPEAKER_16: But uh, I think the Constitution is the bringing here in Minnesota.
53:18
SPEAKER_28: Awesome.
53:19
SPEAKER_28: Uh James Dickey, thank you so much uh for the comments.
53:22
SPEAKER_28: I greatly uh I greatly appreciate it.
53:24
SPEAKER_28: And on the fly uh as well, 612-584-4565, if you would like to uh comment on the topics here on the show.
53:35
SPEAKER_15: The people that are advocating for this in our college-educated, high school indoctrinated people.
53:42
SPEAKER_15: The black community is gonna see through the fresh people look at it and say kind of just stuff it's here for the Democrat Party is gonna come back in.
53:50
SPEAKER_15: Old Fender Democrat Party come back in and change the drug.
53:54
SPEAKER_15: The DFK is just simply a trial run for the DFL in Minnesota and for the National Democrat Party to catch the waters to see how far they can push policies and agendas.
54:06
SPEAKER_28: By the way, to your point of the black community seeing through this at some point, we're already seeing this happen.
54:13
SPEAKER_28: You know, I've heard from many individuals, and not just the people that you hear on them on the show, um, but I've heard from many individuals within the black community.
54:22
SPEAKER_28: They're just they're they've they are already identifying what it is that you're that you're mentioning.
54:27
SPEAKER_28: We're always going to have two parties in this country.
54:30
SPEAKER_28: There's always gonna be two major parties in this country.
54:33
SPEAKER_28: Uh perhaps on a long enough timeline, you know, long after you and I are gone and our children are probably our age, maybe there'll be the emergence of perhaps say the Libertarian Party rising up, or perhaps we'd even go and see what's happening right now where the Democrat Party ends up just becoming the Democrat Socialist Party of America and the Democrat Party doesn't exist anymore.
54:54
SPEAKER_28: I don't believe that's going to happen.
54:57
SPEAKER_28: I firmly believe that everything happens for a reason.
55:02
SPEAKER_28: God has a plan.
55:03
SPEAKER_28: And while we have to continue to stay in this fight, we have to continue to call out what we see are bad policies, bad ideologies, um, those laws being pushed forward or beliefs that run counter to societal norms and what made this country great.
55:20
SPEAKER_28: So none of what I'm about to say means that we just need to sit back and say, hey, you know what, don't worry about it.
55:26
SPEAKER_28: God's got it handled, right?
55:28
SPEAKER_28: God does have it handled, but we still have a job to do here as human beings on this on this planet.
55:33
SPEAKER_28: I say all that because I do firmly believe that everything that we're going through right now here in the country is by purpose and design.
55:39
SPEAKER_28: And what I pray happens is that we're seeing, and over the course of these election cycles, and you know, I predicted this, others predicted this, that what you see is this further lurch to the left that's happened every single election cycle.
55:55
SPEAKER_28: Whereas the right, you've seen it a little bit, but not nearly to what you've seen happening on the on the left.
56:00
SPEAKER_28: The left wants to make it look like the right has lurched really far right, but it really isn't the it really isn't the case.
56:07
SPEAKER_28: You either have your conservatives and then you have individuals on the right that everybody believes are are rhinos, and typically those are just moderate people that share differences on a handful of key views of conservatives and and Republicans.
56:20
SPEAKER_28: No, what we're seeing on the left right now is the most extreme leftists that are getting into positions to run for primaries, and some of them might even win.
56:30
SPEAKER_28: But I believe eventually the United States of America is going to reject all that.
56:35
SPEAKER_28: The Democrat Party is gonna have to reject all that if they want to be viable.
56:39
SPEAKER_28: And we're already seeing pushback.
56:41
SPEAKER_28: And you're beginning to see those anecdotal stories as we talked about on Monday's show when you have governor, uh the governor of Maryland, or you have Rokana, or you have Hakeem Jeffries being asked about the platforms of the DSA, and they're pushing back on them, saying they don't support them or they don't support defunding the police, uh, the police or the other communist policies that individuals like Angie Nixon, who won that primary in Florida, go and uh and believe.
57:10
SPEAKER_28: Now, there's nothing to say that if it becomes, you know, the platform of the Democrat Party, that this won't end up being solidified in the Democrat Party.
57:20
SPEAKER_28: But I believe that there are too many individuals within the Democrat Party that are sitting back going, we cannot allow this to happen.
57:27
SPEAKER_28: So all of that is to say that what I pray happens, and if I were, if you ask me, well, what do you think God is doing in all of this?
57:34
SPEAKER_28: No, I think I think there's a I think that there is a we're going through some pain right now so that we can get back to a place in this country where we have two different parties that aren't co-opted by a bunch of radical organizations.
57:47
SPEAKER_28: There's going to be disagreements between Democrats and Republicans.
57:50
SPEAKER_28: It's always going to be that way.
57:52
SPEAKER_28: But hopefully we can get back to a place where at least people are being rational on the issues that we typically went and agreed on.
58:00
SPEAKER_28: As I've mentioned many times before, back to a place where we have Democrats that sound like Republicans today because they used to believe the same thing that Republicans do on those particular issues, and there was common ground to be found that just can't be found today.
58:14
SPEAKER_28: That's where things need to get back to.
58:16
SPEAKER_28: Unfortunately, the way that things are so polarized here in the country right now, the only way that we can end up getting back to that, in my opinion, is to go through the difficulties that we are currently enduring.
58:30
SPEAKER_28: Coming up, we were talking voting a moment ago, so I'm gonna move one of my stories up in the stack.
58:35
SPEAKER_28: Activists from the Citizen Justice League, which is formerly Project Veritas, we've been talking about now for the week, may be facing legal consequences for impersonating Minnesota voters during the primary elections.
58:49
SPEAKER_28: The group, as we've discussed, tested Minnesota's voter vouching law, filmed themselves posing as voters, including using fake identities.
58:57
SPEAKER_28: This is illegal in Minnesota, and now the state's actually looking about bringing charges.
59:03
SPEAKER_28: Classic, right?
59:05
SPEAKER_28: Listen, if there's charges against these individuals, people need to abide by the law.
59:09
SPEAKER_28: I think they've done a lot of good in exposing just how ridiculous the voter vouching law is here in Minnesota.
59:14
SPEAKER_28: But if there's charges that they need to face and they're legitimate, they should face them.
59:18
SPEAKER_28: Just like anybody who's protesting, regardless of political party.
59:21
SPEAKER_28: I just find it rich that the state doesn't care about voter fraud, won't share our voter roles, and yet if somebody goes and exposes our laws the way that they did, they are going to go after them as hard as they possibly can.
59:34
SPEAKER_28: Also, Scott Pressler, speaking of voting, right, who's done a ton for increasing voter turnout in past elections, he ended up going back in time from a handful of years ago and found a couple of videos, and I'll share the audio with you, of election training here in Minnesota that lays out exactly what uh James O'Keefe and Cam Higby were exposing in the primary last week.
59:58
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to that here in just a moment on the John Justice Show.
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SPEAKER_25: It's so upsetting to see our leaders like Governor Walls gaslighting us, basically, and saying, no, things are going great.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_25: We are one of the best states in the country.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_25: Then why are people leaving?
1:01:25
SPEAKER_25: And why are people struggling?
1:01:26
SPEAKER_25: And why are people saying that Minnesota's on the right, on the wrong track?
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SPEAKER_24: Yeah, that is such a good point.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_24: I mean, it's just we every day you realize like you talk to people who say it's just so hard in Minnesota right now, and then we have people at the top who are completely denying that there's any problem whatsoever.
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SPEAKER_25: Don Phelan has this incredible chart posted at AmericanExperiment.org where he plotted out the CNBC ranking of best states to live in and the states that people are actually moving to and away from.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_25: It's a negative correlation.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_25: People don't want to live in states with these policies that CNBC, you know, the great authority on this, and that Governor Walls is touting, sees as, you know, the ultimate factors in a you know high quality of life.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_25: It's just a joke.
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SPEAKER_24: I mean, that's the actual data we should be looking at is where people are moving.
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SPEAKER_24: People move with their feet.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_24: Where are they going?
1:02:47
SPEAKER_24: They're going to red states with better policy.
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1:05:49
SPEAKER_28: Eric Lippmann will be joining us uh also on the American Experiment Sofa uh coming up at 8 30 uh this morning.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_28: Mentioned a moment ago, the activists who filmed themselves posing as Minnesota voters during the primary elections may be in legal trouble.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_28: The man in the video who falsely identified himself as William Pomeran's real name is James O'Keefe may have put himself in legal jeopardy.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_28: David Schultz, a constitutional law professor, says it's illegal in the state of Minnesota to impersonate another voter, and this is apparently what O'Keeffe did.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_28: If only they cared as much about voter fraud as they do when somebody goes and attempts to expose our laws and how they make us susceptible to voter fraud.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_28: Schultz, Pomerans, and the Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon say the video shows the system worked.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_28: As I read the law, you can't impersonate another registered voter, and that's exactly what they appear to have filmed themselves doing, said Simon.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_28: Impersonating a Minnesota voter at a polling place is a felony, punishable by a maximum seven years in prison and a fine of$20,000.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_28: Although he didn't go and vote.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_28: So he stopped short of that.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_28: So it'll be interesting if the non-move, the move to not go and vote, trying to find a way to word that, um, is enough to keep him from avoiding uh any sort of uh penalties regarding this.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_28: And as I mentioned, listen, if he broke the law, he broke the law.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_28: And often that's what happens when you go and do stunts like this, activism like this, regardless of political affiliation.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_28: Those on the left, typically, though, are never willing to go and actually deal with the consequences of their actions.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_28: I would hope that James O'Keefe, if he is found legitimately to have committed a crime, that he's willing to go and accept whatever punishment that entails, because that's a part of what activism is.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_28: He exposed something that we talked about, is legal here in Minnesota, but just because it's legal, it doesn't make it right.
1:07:46
SPEAKER_28: And it does make us susceptible, in my opinion, to fraud.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_28: I shared a lengthy piece from the Federalist earlier in the week laying out what's been happening in California and how they have no means to even track individuals here in the country illegally, non-citizens, if they were to go and vote.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_28: Wherein in California, they have plenty of other mechanisms in place to track other potential ways that people can commit voter fraud.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_28: But conveniently, when it comes to those here in the country illegally, there is no system of tracking that.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_28: And I'd be very curious if we're dealing with the same thing here in Minnesota.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_28: Keeping with the theme here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiments, Scott Pressler unearthed some footage of a Minnesota election training employee telling everybody to not ask for ID.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_28: Here is the uh audio from one of these videos.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_28: It so I'll paint the picture here.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_28: It's a woman standing in front of a table and she's got a green background.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_28: It's slightly out of frame, it looks exactly like you would expect a government education training employee video to look and to sound.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_37: Ask them for their name and address.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_37: Do not ask a voter to look at the roster themselves to locate their name.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_37: Do not ask them to see an identification card.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_37: However, if a voter presents identification, thank the voter and inform them that an identification card is not required if they are registered.
1:09:17
SPEAKER_37: This is okay.
1:09:21
SPEAKER_26: Stop the tape.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_28: It's ridiculous.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_28: It's absolutely there they're going they go out, we go, we go under Democrat rule.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_28: We go out of our way to try to keep our elections as open to fraud as possible.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_28: That's the only way that I will interpret this.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_28: I'm sorry.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_28: We go out of our way to allow individuals who are non-citizens here to vote.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_28: Yes, I know.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_28: We have safeguards and we have safeguards doing that thing with my fingers that are supposed to be in place.
1:09:53
SPEAKER_28: I get it.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_28: Okay.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_28: However, all the way that in all along every step that we get to actually holding people accountable if they do co-commit fraud because they're not legal citizens, we basically keep the border wide open for them to get to the point where they'll commit their illegal activity.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_28: But we're supposed to trust the government here in Minnesota that if they go and take advantage of that which we have provided to them, all then we'll hold them accountable.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_28: Give me a break.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_28: Just like we held accountable all the individuals who stole billions of dollars here in Minnesota, just like how the individuals working within the Minnesota State government that saw the year-over-year massive millions upon millions of dollar increase in funding going to these organizations that were sending in their proof of services provided to get the Medicaid dollars, your tax dollars, just like we ignored all of those for years, which led to the$9 billion in fraud.
1:11:01
SPEAKER_28: You you understand what it's about.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_37: This announcement is not only for the voter in front of you, but for other voters in line who should not feel required to produce an identification card.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_37: In some circumstances, the identification card might be helpful, but make it clear that it is not required.
1:11:18
SPEAKER_37: The voter may say that they have a difficult name to spell and provide their identification to make the process easier to find their name.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_37: Or a voter might have problems speaking, and so the identification serves as their way of communicating their name and address.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_37: Once you know the name and address of the voter, and you are using a paper roster, search and find the voter's name, check the page for any roster notations, hide challenges on other voter records from view, have the voter confirm their name and address, point to the oath at the top of the roster page, and have them review the oath.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_37: Instruct the voter to sign their name on the line of the roster page to affirm the voter's oath, give them a voter receipt, and direct them to the ballot judge.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_28: Now, if an electoral The oath is the stupidest thing ever.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_28: The oath is so dumb.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_28: It is it is the quintessential style over substance.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_28: But we made him take an oath.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_28: They're not gonna go and break the oath because Democrats never lie, right?
1:12:28
SPEAKER_28: Those that are gonna make Has there ever been in the history of any election whatsoever an individual who went to go and commit voter fraud, knowing they were going to went to go and vote at a polling place to go and commit their voter fraud, but they saw the oath and they went, oh gosh darn it.
1:12:52
SPEAKER_28: I saw I was so close.
1:12:54
SPEAKER_28: But there's an oath, and I'm an honorable person, and I will not now commit that voter fraud.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_28: And they turned around and walked out.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
1:13:03
SPEAKER_28: That's never that's never happening.
1:13:18
SPEAKER_28: By the way, that uh music, that that pleasant uh music in the background is the official uh soundtrack to committing voter fraud.
1:13:24
SPEAKER_28: I just want to let you know.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_28: Those that go and commit voter fraud, that's the sound that they have in their head.
1:13:30
SPEAKER_28: They have it on their playlist.
1:13:30
SPEAKER_28: I don't know if you were aware of that.
1:13:32
SPEAKER_37: As the judge, you will retain the signed voter signature certificate.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_37: Issue a ballot receipt to the voter, and direct the voter to the ballot judge.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_37: Please note that the signature may be electronic on the screen or on paper.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_37: So follow your local election official instructions.
1:13:48
SPEAKER_29: Sometimes it is difficult to find a voter's name.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_29: Check for spelling errors or very.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_28: Good job.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_28: Good job, Pam.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_28: Way to go.
1:13:57
SPEAKER_28: You nailed that video.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_28: It was awesome.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_28: So informative.
1:14:00
SPEAKER_28: Let's get your thoughts from the blaster line this morning.
1:14:03
SPEAKER_20: Morning, John.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_20: I am an election red, so I've been through all these trains and it is horrific.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_20: The voting, even when I'm at in front of homeless people can vote to tell us whatever.
1:14:14
SPEAKER_20: That's legal two, by the way, everyone.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_20: Um so this year for primary, I went in and had my.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_20: I took it out and I just set it on the fan thing, and I said, we're gonna do this registration my way.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_20: I did happen to know the election register thing there, but I know the other two that were next to that person were kind of looking, and I'm like, I I just I do it my way.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_20: And if anybody hands me a license, I take it my scanner, and I say it goes a whole lot faster this way.
1:14:41
SPEAKER_20: So have a great day.
1:14:43
SPEAKER_29: Other types of election day registration options include a registered voter in that precinct who can personally vouch for the identity and residence of up to eight new voters.
1:14:54
SPEAKER_29: A healthcare facility worker can vouch for an unlimited number of residents of facilities that they work for, regardless of where that facility worker lives.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_28: A vote stop the tape.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_28: You heard that right.
1:15:08
SPEAKER_28: A healthcare facility worker can vouch for an unlimited number of residents of facilities that they work for, regardless of where that facility worker lives.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_28: That was an election judge, a training video for a Carver County.
1:15:25
SPEAKER_29: A voter can use a notice of late registration sent to them.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_29: If a voter is moved within their precinct or has only changed their name, they may use their previous registration in the precinct.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_29: For college students, precincts may be provided with a list of students.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_26: That still is unbelievable to me.
1:15:47
SPEAKER_26: Unlimited.
1:15:49
SPEAKER_28: And again, the follow-up here, it is argued that there are safeguards in place to make sure that people don't go and game uh the system.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_28: And if they do, you know, there's a there's a there's a process, and there is a process.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_28: I'm not denying that.
1:16:02
SPEAKER_28: There is a process.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_28: Somebody gets vouched for when it comes to going and voting, and then they're supposed to go through a process of verification.
1:16:09
SPEAKER_28: And somewhere along that way, if they are verified to not be eligible to vote, then something is supposed to happen.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_28: But I have not been able to find out whether or not we've ever removed votes from an actual election after they've been counted because somebody ended up fraudulently being vouched for and it was discovered.
1:16:30
SPEAKER_28: I have not said it may it may have happened.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_28: I hope that it's happened.
1:16:34
SPEAKER_28: But before we even get to that place, and this is the whole point that I wanted to share with you this morning, before we even get into that level where we are actually going to go and have to double check these individuals who have been vouched for, we shouldn't have the vouching in the first place.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_28: Before we get to arguing over the oath and the IDs, we shouldn't be not requiring IDs in the first place.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_28: Let me put it a much simpler way.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_28: You wouldn't need to take all these extra steps if we didn't create a situation where you had to go and create all these extra steps.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_28: That's what the Democrats have done.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_28: That's what we need to do to shore up our elections.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_28: Get rid of this ridiculous vouching rule of eight people and unlimited if you're working at a healthcare facility.
1:17:26
SPEAKER_28: Get rid of this ridiculous, you don't have to have an ID and don't dare go and ask somebody for their ID.
1:17:31
SPEAKER_28: And if somebody shows you their ID, tell them they don't have to show an ID.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_28: But remember, everybody, they're taking an oath.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_28: Before we even get to that, let's just get rid of all of that.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_28: Because then you don't need all the extra steps.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_28: Then you don't have to worry about whether or not somebody within the government is going to be doing their job, making the paltry pay that they're pay, uh, that they're being paid, probably hating their job.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_28: We're not going to be dependent on government employees to track down individuals to ensure that they are all legally voting in our elections.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_28: How many of those people are also Democrats and don't give a rip?
1:18:04
SPEAKER_28: Because they know that more than likely, 99.999% of the time, if somebody's going committing an act of voter fraud, it's going to be a Democrat or somebody who's voting for Democrats.
1:18:15
SPEAKER_28: So it's absolutely asinine that we're even at the place where we are where we are opening ourselves up for potential fraud and then having to be dependent on the government to ensure to make sure, hey, but don't worry, we'll double check all these people to make sure they are voting legitimately in our elections.
1:18:31
SPEAKER_28: Give me a break.
1:18:32
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SPEAKER_36: This woman has had a a bunch of credible allegations going back years to when she worked for the city.
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SPEAKER_09: I have a 98-year-old woman who can't even tell you what street she lives on, or her age.
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SPEAKER_09: She can but he had an election official come and help her vote.
1:26:00
SPEAKER_09: How bad.
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SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_28: No, I we hear that we hear that a lot.
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1:26:11
SPEAKER_28: We got a lot of stuff we'll be talking about with uh with Ryan.
1:26:14
SPEAKER_28: He's actually in the studio already.
1:26:15
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1:26:18
SPEAKER_28: We may have to do that at some point.
1:26:19
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1:26:30
SPEAKER_19: Good morning, John.
1:26:31
SPEAKER_19: Well, so right, the process that is in place to protect us from fragulant voting includes someone just vouching for someone else and taking an oath that they're telling the truth.
1:26:48
SPEAKER_19: But no one votes protect what they're telling the truth.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_19: And by the time we check the vote has been counted and it can't be rejected.
1:26:55
SPEAKER_19: Am I understanding that right?
1:26:57
SPEAKER_19: That's just ridiculous.
1:27:00
SPEAKER_28: Thank you for the uh for the blast there, Heather.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_28: Greatly appreciated here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiments.
1:27:16
SPEAKER_18: But I would think there's also a big counter on a free speech.
1:27:20
SPEAKER_18: That's the First Amendment issue right there.
1:27:23
SPEAKER_18: If you never get if you walk outside that door and just said, hey, I'm telling folks.
1:27:27
SPEAKER_18: Well then nothing would happen.
1:27:29
SPEAKER_18: Could be no different.
1:27:30
SPEAKER_18: And for that matter, Democrats are always saying that they represent the voters.
1:27:35
SPEAKER_18: Well, they don't represent me, so quick saying you represent me.
1:27:38
SPEAKER_18: So prosecute them for impersonating voters.
1:27:43
SPEAKER_28: That's one of the things that always drives me nuts of Governor Dim Walls and others when they talk about one Minnesota or Thief Ellison.
1:27:50
SPEAKER_28: I'm representing all of Minnesotans.
1:27:52
SPEAKER_28: No, you're not, dude.
1:27:52
SPEAKER_28: You're representing your own interests.
1:27:54
SPEAKER_28: We'll talk about Thief Ellison later in the show.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_28: He's fighting to extradite uh one.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_28: Of the ICE agents that has allegations of use of force allegations during Operation Metro Surge.
1:28:07
SPEAKER_28: He's been urging Governor Greg Abbott out of Texas to extradite him back to Minnesota.
1:28:13
SPEAKER_28: That's just because he wants to campaign off it, and the whole extradition thing is just because they're campaigning off of it.
1:28:18
SPEAKER_28: I have comments from Greg Abbott that I'll share with you in the eight o'clock hour here on the show.
1:28:23
SPEAKER_28: Let's get back to one more comment on this issue.
1:28:26
SPEAKER_18: John, the healthcare official can officially go into the nursing home, and all of dementia patients, they're going to witness the voting by mail.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_18: That's what they're doing, is they're going after the people that are incompetent to vote.
1:28:43
SPEAKER_28: Thank you all for the comments.
1:28:44
SPEAKER_28: Again, 612-584-4565.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_28: 612-584-4565.
1:28:50
SPEAKER_28: If you want to leave a comment on the blaster line this morning, or you can email john.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_28: Before we talk with Ryan Wilson, let's just go here briefly.
1:28:59
SPEAKER_28: There's a couple of Minneapolis uh stories that I want to share with you.
1:29:02
SPEAKER_28: First off, Minneapolis is asking neighbors to watch for copper wire thieves after repeated streetlight thefts in several neighborhoods.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_28: The city said the thieves have hit streetlights in Minneapolis neighborhoods, including east of Minnehaha Parkway in five cases in recent we uh weeks, and the damage is going to cost the city$50,000 to repair.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_28: Joe Lauren, Minneapolis Public Works, said this is what they're pulling out.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_28: He says crews are passing out flyers to residents along Parkway near Lake Harriet and Stevens Square, showing, and again, he's showing the copper wiring that they're stealing.
1:29:39
SPEAKER_28: He said the flyers show people what to watch for, including missing panels, exposed wires.
1:29:44
SPEAKER_28: Sometimes they march down the street and continue from block to block.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_28: It's a predictable pattern they can't get ahead of.
1:29:50
SPEAKER_28: Lauren said the thefts often happen over two nights and said the thieves first expose the wires and then often return another night to cut them.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_28: Often we can't.
1:30:00
SPEAKER_28: Well, if they're doing if they're set, I guess that's the whole point of setting the flyers out there to make everybody aware of what's going on, right?
1:30:05
SPEAKER_28: Often we can catch them in the middle of the process.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_28: Law enforcement can intercept them before they come back for a second time.
1:30:11
SPEAKER_28: Last year, the city repaired more than 26 miles of copper wire in order to restore electricity to more than 700 lights.
1:30:18
SPEAKER_28: The city said the streetlight maintenance happens during the day about 7 a.m.
1:30:22
SPEAKER_28: to 3 30.
1:30:23
SPEAKER_28: Workers usually wear reflective vests, drive marked vehicles.
1:30:27
SPEAKER_28: Anyone else working on street lights any other time would be considered suspicious.
1:30:31
SPEAKER_28: So much for the laws that were passed by the legislature regarding the resale of these precious uh metals to uh to dealers, I thought that was supposed to take care of all this, right?
1:30:40
SPEAKER_28: So, in the meantime, while Minneapolis continues to deal with real issues, um, this is what I wanted to share with you.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_28: What is the Minneapolis City Council focused on?
1:30:49
SPEAKER_28: Um, they passed an ordinance requiring establishments that serve alcohol and have a dress code to post the dress code visibly.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_28: The ordinance aims to prevent discrimination based on race or gender identity, often referred to as velvet rope discrimination.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_28: The ordinance will be reviewed by the full council next week.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_28: I'll share some further uh details uh on this coming up on the show.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_28: I have some audio from the city council meeting, and I want to spend a little bit of time uh diving into just just how utterly ridiculous this uh this any focus on this at all.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_28: I mean the bottom line is for me um you know, don't pigeonhole businesses to force them to prove these parameters.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_28: It should be one of these we refuse the right to refuse service.
1:31:42
SPEAKER_28: That should be how the businesses handle all of this.
1:31:45
SPEAKER_28: And if they decide they want to post the rules, they can post the rules.
1:31:47
SPEAKER_28: But if they go and they make them post these rules on the businesses saying what their address code is, it's gonna be really limiting for their businesses if they want to go and keep somebody from coming in.
1:31:58
SPEAKER_28: And they should have a right to go and do that.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_28: So we'll talk about that uh later on uh next hour here on the John Justice Show.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_28: Again, 612-584-4565.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_28: That's the blaster line if you want to leave us a comment.
1:32:10
SPEAKER_28: John.justice at AmericanExperimented.org.
1:32:13
SPEAKER_28: And with that, we welcome into the studio Ryan Wilson, Lieutenant Governor candidate with the Lisa Damuth campaign.
1:32:20
SPEAKER_28: Uh good morning, Ryan.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for coming in this morning.
1:32:22
SPEAKER_28: It's good to see you.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_28: Good morning.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_28: It's good to be back.
1:32:24
SPEAKER_28: So how are you feeling since uh we haven't had the chance to uh to talk personally since uh last week's primary?
1:32:29
SPEAKER_28: Uh let's go back there just just briefly.
1:32:32
SPEAKER_28: Um, what was that night like uh like for you uh personally uh to be involved in this campaign, not knowing how it's going to uh to shake out?
1:32:41
SPEAKER_28: I don't want to use the term underdog, you know, but the polling obviously was was way off the mark over what the expectations were and what ended up occurring.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_28: So talk a little bit about uh your experience that night.
1:32:53
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, you never know until the voters cast their vote, right?
1:32:55
SPEAKER_30: And uh until they count the votes and you see where you're at.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_30: And so the polls had us down, oh, I think 10 at one point and then six at another point.
1:33:02
SPEAKER_30: And I think it ended up being about what, a 14-point swing from where the polls had us to where we finished up.
1:33:08
SPEAKER_30: So pretty huge polling error.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_30: And you know, we've seen that throughout the years, right?
1:33:11
SPEAKER_30: These polls have been drifted more and more off over time, and so uh but it was a great night.
1:33:15
SPEAKER_30: It was a historic night.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_30: Um, you know, we've done something that uh on the Republican side, I don't think has it been done ever.
1:33:21
SPEAKER_30: You know, Arnie Carlson uh he didn't receive the endorsement of the party, but ended up uh ended up winning.
1:33:26
SPEAKER_30: But he was an incumbent governor at that time.
1:33:27
SPEAKER_30: I don't know if a non-incumbent governor has ever done uh done what we did.
1:33:30
SPEAKER_30: And so uh definitely underdogs, uh, but we had a plan.
1:33:33
SPEAKER_30: We executed that plan from the get-go, and just like we have a plan for the general election here for uh to take it to Amy Klobuchar and uh you know make the case for why we need change here in Minnesota and why the status quo isn't working, uh we're gonna execute that plan.
1:33:46
SPEAKER_30: And we you know here's the thing.
1:33:47
SPEAKER_30: We know we got the right policies on our side.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_30: We've always known that.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_30: It's a matter of getting that message out to the public, and the public it's an easy choice once to hear the differences between these two candidates.
1:33:55
SPEAKER_28: I know there was a uh press conference yesterday.
1:33:58
SPEAKER_28: We'll talk a bit about that, uh, about that press uh press conference, uh, some of which was dovetailing off of some um articles written by the policy fellows here at American Experiment and available at AmericanExperiment.org.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_28: This is a kind of a weird way to word this, but is it obviously running a campaign is difficult, regardless of whether or not you're in a primary or a general.
1:34:20
SPEAKER_28: Um is it easier in the general as opposed to the primary, where there's a uh you know, a much starker contrast, obviously, between you and now the candidate as opposed to running against uh you know fellow fellow Republicans?
1:34:34
SPEAKER_28: And how was the how was the mindset shifted from the primary campaign to the general election?
1:34:39
SPEAKER_30: You know, when we got in this campaign in November, uh we were focused on we you know, we it was Governor Walls at the time, but we knew it, you know, we knew that it it could not be him in the future, right?
1:34:49
SPEAKER_30: And maybe it'd be Amy or some people thought Angie Craig at the time, right, or other people.
1:34:52
SPEAKER_30: And we built a campaign from the get-go to really prosecute the case about fraud and why this election needs to be about bringing Minnesota back to uh the things it was known for that were great, that good governance state, right?
1:35:04
SPEAKER_30: That good life, as Wendell Anderson on the uh cover of Times magazine, you know, extolled.
1:35:08
SPEAKER_30: And so uh that was always been the basis of our campaign.
1:35:11
SPEAKER_30: When Amy Globachar came in, we were the first, I think only campaign to come out really differentiating hard between us and her.
1:35:18
SPEAKER_30: Had an ad, you know, um, ready to go right away that was that was launched, uh showing Amy as a 20-year career politician and uh really a do-nothing politician for the state, and especially silent on fraud.
1:35:29
SPEAKER_30: While she you know again extolled the benefits of Tim Walls and she said how incredible he is and you know endorsed him and supported him.
1:35:36
SPEAKER_30: And so we've really been focused on Amy Klobuchar and the Democrats the whole time.
1:35:39
SPEAKER_30: And I think that's part of why we succeeded in the primary, is voters saw that we were built to be able to, you know, really take it to that uh that Democrat machine and and make the case.
1:35:48
SPEAKER_30: And you know, having a great candidate obviously helps.
1:35:50
SPEAKER_30: I mean, you know, Lisa Damath, you know, and her accomplishments and you know, really being out front since, you know, 2019, right when she got in the legislature talking about fraud, pushing fraud, and we can we can circle back to that as we talk about our fraud plan.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_30: But yep, uh, you know, so so our campaign wasn't as much about going after the other Republicans.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_30: Um and they had some good ideas and they weren't, you know, weren't bad people.
1:36:11
SPEAKER_30: Um but obviously we we fought uh to you know be able to go up against Amy Klobachar because we believe and we know that we can beat her.
1:36:19
SPEAKER_28: It's been um it's been fun for me in the length of time that I've been um doing the show here in Minnesota to get to know the various individuals, yourself included, uh Ryan, because we go back to when you to when you first you know ran for the for the other seat and talk a little bit about um you know running in this campaign versus the when you you know first started entering into politics.
1:36:43
SPEAKER_28: Um I don't even know how many years it's it's it's been now, but you know, I've had the opportunity to to interview you several times going back to when you ran uh before.
1:36:53
SPEAKER_28: And um I'm interested to hear a little bit of of your of your journey from then until now.
1:36:58
SPEAKER_28: Did you ever imagine that you would be you know on a ticket like this, you know, and and poised to actually um you know be a part of a of a governor's office when you first decided to run for office a number of years ago?
1:37:11
SPEAKER_30: No, you know, I've just kind of been blessed.
1:37:12
SPEAKER_30: I just kind of take what you know each day brings to me the next.
1:37:14
SPEAKER_30: You know, I don't there's no like master plan.
1:37:16
SPEAKER_30: I know here's what I'm gonna be doing, you know, this year and this week.
1:37:19
SPEAKER_30: Not running for the presidency in 2028 with the eggs.
1:37:21
SPEAKER_30: Absolutely not.
1:37:22
SPEAKER_30: Uh-huh.
1:37:22
SPEAKER_30: And it's just it's kind of whatever the next best thing I can do to help Minnesota is, you know, I've I got I'm a dad with five kids, right?
1:37:29
SPEAKER_30: I want the state to succeed.
1:37:30
SPEAKER_30: I want it to do well.
1:37:31
SPEAKER_30: You know, I'm a uh you know I'm a baseball coach, right?
1:37:33
SPEAKER_30: I was a little league coach, I've coached hockey in the past.
1:37:35
SPEAKER_30: I'm just a I'm somebody that um has appreciated and enjoyed all the aspects of Minnesota.
1:37:41
SPEAKER_30: I was a small business owner, started a small business, grew that business, um, was blessed with, you know, uh being able to see that business succeed, even through some hard times during the financial crisis in 2008.
1:37:51
SPEAKER_30: And so I want that for all Minnesotans.
1:37:53
SPEAKER_30: And so at every step of the way, he's like, how could I get back?
1:37:55
SPEAKER_30: And there's some things that I did in the court, right, as an attorney to be able to, you know, push to get kids back in sports when they were locked out of sports, um, being able to defend things like our elections and successfully at the Minnesota Supreme Court a couple of times, right?
1:38:07
SPEAKER_30: And so um none of these were you know kind of planned out as some kind of uh grand scheme in politics, just what can I do today to help uh to help people?
1:38:14
SPEAKER_30: And so when I saw in 22 that the auditor's race, you know, wasn't uh I don't think we had any candidates in it till January, it's like, you know, well, let's let's give this a go, you know.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_30: Uh my old business did uh did some auditing and uh felt like I had a good set of skills that could do that and and again really make the case for why we should care about our tax dollars in Minnesota.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_30: So back then I traveled around the state, you know, talking about this thing called feeding our future.
1:38:36
SPEAKER_30: People looked at me cross-eyed.
1:38:37
SPEAKER_30: What is feeding our future?
1:38:38
SPEAKER_30: And you know, at that point, I think uh the total fraud was a quarter billion dollars.
1:38:42
SPEAKER_30: And so you ask what's different between this campaign and that campaign.
1:38:44
SPEAKER_30: Well, no, what's the what's 250 million versus nine billion?
1:38:47
SPEAKER_30: Yeah and uh you know the the fraud continued to explode and and uh and so the issues have gotten much more um much bigger.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_30: And that's part of why this fraud plan that we rolled out, you know, the the stakes are that much graver for the people that depend on a lot of these programs.
1:39:00
SPEAKER_30: And they're really not being served by the Democrats right now.
1:39:03
SPEAKER_28: Uh one more personal question, and we'll dive into some of the issues.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_28: I do want to get uh we have uh some comments that have rolled into the blaster line at 612-584-4565.
1:39:12
SPEAKER_28: We'll get to those here in uh in just a moment.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_28: Also, uh I haven't mentioned we can talk about this briefly.
1:39:17
SPEAKER_28: Um, Tim Walls yesterday moving to ban copper mining.
1:39:21
SPEAKER_28: And there's a I've got a big question on this, by the way, and I don't know if you have an answer or not.
1:39:25
SPEAKER_28: I'm gonna throw it out there uh because this seems like a really, a really odd move.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_28: But one more personal question for you.
1:39:30
SPEAKER_28: How much do you do you think your your previous running for office uh helped prepare you for this role?
1:39:37
SPEAKER_30: You know, I I think it, you know, I came pretty close, right?
1:39:39
SPEAKER_30: I came with an 8,000 votes.
1:39:41
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:39:41
SPEAKER_30: That's 0.3%.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_28: Does that sting, by the way?
1:39:45
SPEAKER_28: Like when when you at the end of the day, when you look at that, I mean, I just for me, I'm like, I'll never run for office.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_28: I just I don't have the wherewithal to do it.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_28: I'm fine doing what I'm doing.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_28: But when you say something like that, I go, I I would be sitting back going, what could I have done?
1:39:58
SPEAKER_28: Is that is that hard to deal with?
1:40:00
SPEAKER_28: Are you able to move on pretty quickly?
1:40:02
SPEAKER_30: Well, you know what it does is it gives me bulletin board material.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_30: So that and that and so four, 8,000 votes.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_30: We have 4,000 precincts in Minnesota.
1:40:08
SPEAKER_30: That's two voters per precinct.
1:40:10
SPEAKER_30: And so there's a lot of what could you have done to get that across?
1:40:13
SPEAKER_30: And it's not for me, you know.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_30: It's not, you know, I got lots of stuff I could do day to day.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_30: And I did a lot of great stuff in those last four years, able to help the help the states in a lot of ways.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_30: Um would have loved to have been an auditor because we could have stopped some of this fraud that was happening.
1:40:25
SPEAKER_30: Uh, but now it's giving me the opportunity to be here with, you know, a great, one of the best generational candidates, you know, speaker of the house, Lisa Day with, to be able to um not just help in an auditor role, but to be able to take it to the next level by really transforming Minnesota government, bringing it back to the great things that we know.
1:40:39
SPEAKER_30: And so everything for a reason.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_30: But what it tells me is we're not gonna leave those two votes on the table this time.
1:40:45
SPEAKER_30: And so we're gonna make sure that everybody that votes uh in presidential years, but maybe doesn't vote in a midterm year, we're gonna get them out to vote.
1:40:52
SPEAKER_30: We're gonna make sure that they know the stakes of this election.
1:40:55
SPEAKER_28: You know, and that's a that's probably one of the best data points that I've heard on the show for a long, long time in terms of providing perspective for anybody out there, not just for candidates, but for those that are looking to get involved and to help out when it comes to door knocking or going to your precinct district to make phone calls.
1:41:10
SPEAKER_28: When you consider, as you mentioned, you know, two votes per precinct in races, and we've seen races that have been a heck of a lot closer than 8,000 votes where that were Republicans could have pulled things out.
1:41:20
SPEAKER_28: That's a really, really good stat.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_30: Let me add one thing to that.
1:41:23
SPEAKER_30: So that's you know, that's two votes.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_30: I lost by 8,000 votes, right?
1:41:26
SPEAKER_30: I mean, it's a it's a small margin of error.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_30: There were 150 to 200,000 Republicans that stayed home that year.
1:41:33
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:41:33
SPEAKER_30: They voted for the president in the year before, year after, didn't vote that year.
1:41:36
SPEAKER_30: Again, we don't really have to convince those people to vote for us.
1:41:39
SPEAKER_30: You just got to convince them to get out and vote.
1:41:41
SPEAKER_30: And so that's where that ground game you just talked about, that's where making those phone calls, volunteering with your local Republican Party, grabbing onto a campaign, you can make a difference in this state.
1:41:50
SPEAKER_30: The other thing it tells us is this is a 50-50 state.
1:41:52
SPEAKER_30: We see it in the legislature, right?
1:41:53
SPEAKER_30: The House is tied, led by the Speaker of the House, Lisa Damath.
1:41:56
SPEAKER_30: My race came down to, you know, 0.3% between the two candidates.
1:42:00
SPEAKER_30: We are a purple state, right down the middle.
1:42:03
SPEAKER_30: I think we're a little to the right, too.
1:42:04
SPEAKER_30: I think we're a little red too.
1:42:05
SPEAKER_30: But you know, we we are a down the middle state.
1:42:06
SPEAKER_30: And so a Republican can absolutely win in this state.
1:42:10
SPEAKER_30: Just got to have that great candidate, that great campaign, you know, the great operations.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_30: We got it all.
1:42:14
SPEAKER_30: This is, you know, we have everything that we need to win here.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_30: Um, we just gotta go out, push, and uh make the case.
1:42:20
SPEAKER_28: Well, and that issue, by the way, of the voter turnout.
1:42:22
SPEAKER_28: I mean, I've seen it in, you know, I've seen it in previous places where I've done the radio show.
1:42:27
SPEAKER_28: You just increase the voter turnout by two percentage points and Republicans could be swept into office.
1:42:33
SPEAKER_28: That's always the difficult process, though.
1:42:35
SPEAKER_28: That's always the problem.
1:42:36
SPEAKER_28: And, you know, I'll couple this with the conversation we were having before about the ridiculous rules that we have that open ourselves up to voter fraud, whether it's the lack of providing an ID, whether it is vouching for eight people or unlimited in a healthcare facility.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_28: Uh, when you start to include those things, it really bolsters the argument when it comes to stripping away those things.
1:42:56
SPEAKER_28: But in order to do that, you need to elect leadership that sees the value in voter integrity and not making it so easy for anybody to go and vote.
1:43:04
SPEAKER_28: So, with that, let's go ahead and get to a few things.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_28: Um, I want to share with you a few points from John Phelan's got a piece out today at AmericanExperiment.org about Governor uh Walls.
1:43:14
SPEAKER_28: And we have a comment for you, uh Ryan Wilson, Lieutenant Comforter candidate, who joins us here in studio on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_28: So John Phelan writes one of um the American left's main causes is ridding the country's economy of carbon.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_28: This will require vast amounts of copper.
1:43:32
SPEAKER_28: As Sprout, a global asset manager specializing in precious metals and critical energy transition materials notes, and I'll just share with you a few points.
1:43:41
SPEAKER_28: Um, by 2050, it's projected the global electric grid will need to double its capacity just to meet the 86% increase in electricity demand.
1:43:51
SPEAKER_28: It goes through a number of different upgrades, but it lands on these upgrades and necessitate a substantial amount of copper, estimated at 427 million metric tons by 2050.
1:44:02
SPEAKER_28: When you look at EVs and the left's push for electric vehicles, um EVs require 53 kilograms of copper in electric motors, batteries, inverters, wiring, charging, about 2.4 times more than conventional combustion engines.
1:44:16
SPEAKER_28: Demand is still projected to hit 2.8 million metric tons by 2030.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_28: I'm getting to a point here.
1:44:22
SPEAKER_28: Um he goes on to talk about the uh the importance of what it is the left is pushing for, and yet they go and they make these really bizarre moves.
1:44:32
SPEAKER_28: Given the imperative for copper, especially among the agenda items for the left, it might come as a surprise to discover that yesterday, um, a suspiciously king-like exercise of his ex uh executive authority, Governor Walls, banned copper mining in northern Minnesota.
1:44:49
SPEAKER_28: Now, there's a few stipulations on that.
1:44:51
SPEAKER_28: It's only good for 90 days after he leaves office, and we can talk about that.
1:44:55
SPEAKER_28: Um, let me share this comment for you, Ryan Wilson, and we can talk a little bit about this issue before we turn our attention over to Frost.
1:45:01
SPEAKER_18: Good morning, John and Ryan Wilson over there on the couch.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_18: So why doesn't our governor just you know write an executive order out to block these guys from copper mining in Minneapolis where they can't steal the copper from sea lights?
1:45:15
SPEAKER_18: Maybe intelligence intelligence consume.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_18: I don't know.
1:45:19
SPEAKER_18: I guess a lot can be done.
1:45:21
SPEAKER_18: Upgrade daylight.
1:45:22
SPEAKER_28: Why do you do you have any thought on why Governor Walls did this?
1:45:27
SPEAKER_28: It does not make any sense to me.
1:45:28
SPEAKER_28: He's leaving office, right?
1:45:31
SPEAKER_28: Um, so immediately my mind goes to is there an outside influence here that's encouraging him to do this?
1:45:38
SPEAKER_28: But he's also leaving this controversial move that has a lot of miners upset, by the way.
1:45:42
SPEAKER_28: It's in the stories here attached to this.
1:45:45
SPEAKER_28: You know, he leaves this potential move up to whoever becomes the next uh the next governor, um, which you know has its own sort of circumstances surrounding it.
1:45:55
SPEAKER_28: But what was your instinctive reaction to Walls banning copper mining here in the state?
1:46:01
SPEAKER_30: Right, and so he's doing this for the benefit of Amy Klobuchar.
1:46:03
SPEAKER_30: Amy Klobuchar has stood by him since you know he got in the race to run again.
1:46:08
SPEAKER_30: Um, and and they are they are one and the same, his policies and her policies.
1:46:12
SPEAKER_30: You know, Lisa made clear where she stood on this yesterday in her statement.
1:46:15
SPEAKER_30: You know, she trusts our miners to do it safely.
1:46:17
SPEAKER_30: She trusts the science.
1:46:18
SPEAKER_30: We're gonna follow the science in our administration.
1:46:21
SPEAKER_30: Look, over in Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer's Michigan, they can safely mine you know, next to Lake Superior.
1:46:29
SPEAKER_30: Surely I trust our miners to do it right here.
1:46:31
SPEAKER_30: And it just shows the utter disregard that Amy Klobuchar and the DFL has for our miners to not trust them to do the work again.
1:46:40
SPEAKER_30: Other states can do this, we can't do this.
1:46:42
SPEAKER_30: I mean, that that shows um uh a real disrespect for that.
1:46:46
SPEAKER_30: And this gets back to a theme of the Democrats.
1:46:48
SPEAKER_30: And again, I'll go back to Amy Klobuchar because I I think it all rests with her.
1:46:52
SPEAKER_30: She is the leader of their party right now.
1:46:54
SPEAKER_30: You know, she went down to FarmFest and she says, I stand with farmers.
1:46:58
SPEAKER_30: Then she flies back to DC the next day, votes against them.
1:47:01
SPEAKER_30: She goes up to the Iron Range, says, I stand with miners, goes to DC, votes against them.
1:47:06
SPEAKER_30: Minnesotans are tired of this duplicate politicians that say one thing and do another.
1:47:12
SPEAKER_30: And so you ask me why he's doing this.
1:47:14
SPEAKER_30: Uh I can't explain half the stuff that the DFL does.
1:47:16
SPEAKER_30: None of it makes sense to Minnesotans, right?
1:47:18
SPEAKER_30: Why do we still have fraud?
1:47:18
SPEAKER_30: Why did nine million dollars go out the door and still no safeguards in place?
1:47:23
SPEAKER_30: I can't explain that.
1:47:24
SPEAKER_30: All I can tell you is the status quo isn't working for Minnesota.
1:47:27
SPEAKER_30: And people want politicians that uh don't just make empty promises in an election year.
1:47:32
SPEAKER_30: And that's and that gets back to our fraud plan in contrasting it with Amy's, right?
1:47:35
SPEAKER_30: Amy's big fraud plan is she's gonna audit the government.
1:47:38
SPEAKER_30: Uh top to bottom audit.
1:47:40
SPEAKER_30: I think that's her talking point.
1:47:40
SPEAKER_30: And she said that so she could run it and ad, and so it sounds good.
1:47:43
SPEAKER_30: I'm sure she poll tested it.
1:47:44
SPEAKER_30: Well, you know who else did an audit of the government?
1:47:46
SPEAKER_30: Tim Walls did, right?
1:47:47
SPEAKER_30: He had the uh United Health Group do it a couple uh uh a couple months ago and uh released that fully redacted report, and we don't know all the contents of it.
1:47:55
SPEAKER_30: And so we don't need another Tim Walls audit by Amy Klobuchar.
1:47:59
SPEAKER_30: We need fundamental change if we're gonna do things like start to turn this state around.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_28: I want to get into some of what was uh laid out yesterday in the press conference as we continue our conversation with Lieutenant Governor uh candidate on the Lisa Dames uh campaign, Ryan Wilson.
1:48:14
SPEAKER_28: Uh it seems this move by just one more thing on this move by Walls to ban the to ban the mining.
1:48:18
SPEAKER_28: It you know, it would seem to be that he may have even provided your campaign a gift if you're opposing to this.
1:48:26
SPEAKER_28: I mean, you could end you could end up going and running off this unless they're looking at some data points that says that it's more favorable for them to Democrats to go and ban this mining.
1:48:34
SPEAKER_28: But as I mentioned, there's a lot of miners that are speaking out uh upset about this.
1:48:38
SPEAKER_28: So again, it just seems like a really bizarre move by Governor by Governor Walls.
1:48:43
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, I mean look again, a lot of things are bizarre bizarre moves by Governor Walls, by the Democrats.
1:48:48
SPEAKER_30: Um, I can't speak for why he did it.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_30: I wouldn't have done it, and obviously we don't support what he did.
1:48:53
SPEAKER_30: You know, I think the Center for American Experiment uh put out a video yesterday showing Governor Walls saying he couldn't do this exact thing, um, that this would have to be done by the legislature and not by executive executive order.
1:49:03
SPEAKER_30: He said that in 22 when he was running for office.
1:49:04
SPEAKER_30: So this just gets back to politicians to say one thing, do another, whether it be Tim Walls or Amy Klobuchar.
1:49:10
SPEAKER_30: People are just tired of people being uh misled.
1:49:12
SPEAKER_30: I'll be charitable with my words, misled during campaign years.
1:49:15
SPEAKER_28: Yesterday during the press conference, uh dovetailing off of uh the article available at americanexperiment.org.
1:49:20
SPEAKER_28: And I would encourage everybody to head on over to the uh to the website and definitely take uh take uh a good uh look at the wrong track uh Minnesota uh piece that's available there that just goes through, and we talked about this with Ryan prior to the election, uh the major issues that Minnesotans are facing, and they're all backed up by facts.
1:49:37
SPEAKER_28: Uh this too, 1,000 Clobushar press releases, and none of them were on fraud.
1:49:43
SPEAKER_28: This stood in stark contrast to comments that she made uh not only at FarmFest, but now out on the uh campaign trail.
1:49:50
SPEAKER_28: And I know yesterday, were you tasked with printing up the thousand pages there?
1:49:55
SPEAKER_28: Or who was who was responsible for that?
1:49:57
SPEAKER_28: And if you want to give uh if you have uh if they're only printing.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_28: On one side, feel free to bring them over.
1:50:02
SPEAKER_28: I could always use this as extra extra printing papers.
1:50:04
SPEAKER_30: So did you have to go and print those up?
1:50:06
SPEAKER_30: I did not.
1:50:07
SPEAKER_30: A former friend of the show who used to be on the show with you that uh that works at uh comms at our team was that was his idea.
1:50:12
SPEAKER_30: And so uh no, I did not.
1:50:14
SPEAKER_30: It was a it was a great it was a great visual.
1:50:15
SPEAKER_30: And yeah, and well, you know, those weren't fake pieces of paper, those are real.
1:50:18
SPEAKER_30: You know, those are every one of those pressed, you could thumb through them yourselves, and you can see that not one of them mentions you know this welfare fraud that we've been uh inundated with in this in this state.
1:50:27
SPEAKER_28: So let's talk about um so during the legislative session, um the Office of Inspector General was passed, or there were other anti-fraud uh measures.
1:50:35
SPEAKER_28: So with the plan that you put forward yesterday, how would you go about utilizing the Office of Inspector uh General to go and combat fraud?
1:50:42
SPEAKER_28: Talk a little bit about what was laid out and uh Lisa Damath and of course Ryan Wilson, your plan to go and combat fraud were you to be elected?
1:50:49
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, so we got into November uh 2025, right?
1:50:52
SPEAKER_30: And I think one of our first big plans we rolled out was early December was our fraud plan.
1:50:57
SPEAKER_30: In that fraud plan, we had five different points in it.
1:50:59
SPEAKER_30: And I think the press conference or the press conference yesterday was talking about we've already delivered on two of those points.
1:51:03
SPEAKER_30: So one of them was uh back in no back in December, Lisa said this is gonna be a priority.
1:51:07
SPEAKER_30: Um if it doesn't get done in session, I'm gonna do it as governor to make sure that I work with the legislature to get it done.
1:51:12
SPEAKER_30: Because at that time, Wallace was adamant and they were lobbying against an office of inspector general.
1:51:16
SPEAKER_30: It's so weird that people that say they want to fight fraud but then fight the things to help them fight the fraud.
1:51:21
SPEAKER_30: How does that work?
1:51:22
SPEAKER_30: Um, and so the independent Office of Inspector General, uh, that got done.
1:51:27
SPEAKER_30: Lisa delivered on that as a priority for her as speaker, and now we have one.
1:51:31
SPEAKER_30: And so that was part of the update yesterday is you know, we've we've done that.
1:51:34
SPEAKER_30: And also modernizing our systems.
1:51:35
SPEAKER_30: One of the things we rolled out in uh in our December plan was that we want to make sure that counties have the infrastructure and the tools that they need.
1:51:42
SPEAKER_30: You know, think that they have these old green screen computers, the flashing cursors, right?
1:51:46
SPEAKER_30: I mean that's what they're on.
1:51:47
SPEAKER_30: And so they need to be brought up to speed so they can cross-check, make sure people are eligible, um, and you know, catching fraud really at its source, which is when people are coming onto these programs.
1:51:56
SPEAKER_30: Got that done, did a generational investment into our counties to be able to get that new software.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_30: And so two of the five things, big things that we had talked about when we first got in this race, are already done.
1:52:06
SPEAKER_30: A couple other things, you know, we're gonna stop making sure that providers, uh, and this is back in the original plan, make sure that providers, if they're accused of credible fraud, you're done.
1:52:13
SPEAKER_30: You don't get to keep collecting money.
1:52:14
SPEAKER_30: And we see that time and again with Democrats as they just keep letting this go and they let it keep persisting, uh, not under us.
1:52:19
SPEAKER_30: And so it was an update to show that we are serious about our plan, and we've already used um the tools that we have, the positions that we have, Lisa as speaker, to be able to deliver on that.
1:52:29
SPEAKER_30: And we wanted to contrast that to Amy Klobuchar.
1:52:31
SPEAKER_30: She came out with a plan, really a weak sauce plan, not a lot to it.
1:52:34
SPEAKER_30: She, you know, her big talking point is she wants to audit the government from top to bottom.
1:52:38
SPEAKER_30: Uh I said, Walls has already audited the government.
1:52:41
SPEAKER_30: Where did that go?
1:52:41
SPEAKER_30: Fraud keeps going.
1:52:43
SPEAKER_30: Um and here's the real And when Amy comes on your show, I'd like you to ask her this.
1:52:47
SPEAKER_30: Why hasn't she asked Governor Wallace to implement her plan now?
1:52:50
SPEAKER_30: Lisa's already implementing her plan.
1:52:52
SPEAKER_30: She's got a Democrat governor in her state.
1:52:54
SPEAKER_30: You know, she's the leader of her party.
1:52:56
SPEAKER_30: Why doesn't she call on Governor Wallace to implement parts of her plan today?
1:53:00
SPEAKER_30: And it's because they're not serious.
1:53:01
SPEAKER_30: And I think that's the biggest marker for Minnesota as they can see that the Democrats are not serious about stopping fraud.
1:53:07
SPEAKER_28: You know, it reminds me uh a little bit of what we were talking about earlier when it comes to our to our voting.
1:53:12
SPEAKER_28: Um we we open up um, you know, the Democrats will look at it and say, we're making it as easy as possible for people people to vote, um, and we have all these safeguards on the back end.
1:53:22
SPEAKER_28: But unfortunately, those safeguards on the back end, you just can't trust the government to go and make sure they do the follow-through uh for individuals, say, being vouched for.
1:53:30
SPEAKER_28: And it's very similar to what Democrats have done when it comes to these service providers.
1:53:35
SPEAKER_28: Very few uh barriers of entry, very little uh oversight with an expectation that, well, if fraud occurs, we're gonna catch it, and we've clearly seen that they haven't caught it.
1:53:45
SPEAKER_28: Do you think it is is that an aspect of this?
1:53:47
SPEAKER_28: Do you think you've done enough on the front end to stop that uh to stop it from from happening in the first place before we get to that to that spot?
1:53:55
SPEAKER_28: Is that a part of the plan as well?
1:53:56
SPEAKER_30: We need a lot more on the front end, but let's take a look at something.
1:53:59
SPEAKER_30: So uh there was an article or there's a story yesterday by MPR or two days ago that broke.
1:54:03
SPEAKER_30: Uh there is a uh Iberian official, government official, I think the story said he was in West Africa, right?
1:54:11
SPEAKER_30: Yep.
1:54:11
SPEAKER_30: Um, that has collected over$36 million administering fraud programs here and being the executive director of group homes.
1:54:18
SPEAKER_30: That's not normal.
1:54:19
SPEAKER_30: Like this doesn't happen in the 49 other states.
1:54:22
SPEAKER_30: And so, you know, Minnesotans just see so many stories about fraud.
1:54:25
SPEAKER_30: I mean, that's the like, what are we doing here?
1:54:28
SPEAKER_30: And you know, there these are real programs that need to help real people, and it shows a real callousness by Democrats like Tim Walls and Amy Klobuchar that allow this to happen.
1:54:39
SPEAKER_30: The why, I'll leave that for Minnesotans to try to figure out.
1:54:41
SPEAKER_30: We can see the what, and we can see what's happening is tax dollars are being wasted.
1:54:45
SPEAKER_30: I mean, there's also there's a federal freeze happening right now on important federal funds for welfare programs that are stopping people that need it in the disability community.
1:54:54
SPEAKER_30: I mean, they are they are pleading for someone in government to help them, and you know, this is that recertification that needs to be done, and um and Tim Wallace isn't executing on that.
1:55:04
SPEAKER_30: Amy Klobuchar isn't standing up for that.
1:55:05
SPEAKER_30: What we said yesterday in the press release is help is on the way.
1:55:08
SPEAKER_30: Lisa is going to get those federal dollars unfrozen so they can go to the people that need to be helped and that they don't go to the people that don't need to be helped.
1:55:15
SPEAKER_30: And so you know, there's um the taxpayer dollars are important.
1:55:19
SPEAKER_30: People work really hard for their money, right?
1:55:20
SPEAKER_30: Everybody works really hard.
1:55:21
SPEAKER_30: It's time away from their family when you're working.
1:55:24
SPEAKER_30: And if that money is going to foreign countries, that's a problem.
1:55:27
SPEAKER_30: And uh, but there are people on the other side that need these programs.
1:55:30
SPEAKER_30: And to uh to let these programs be defrauded is to let you know kids go hungry, right?
1:55:36
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, to let uh single moms get evicted and have to live in their car.
1:55:40
SPEAKER_30: That's the stakes of what's happening here.
1:55:41
SPEAKER_30: And again, it shows a real callousness by Democrats to let that let that persist.
1:55:45
SPEAKER_28: Does fraud continue to uh dominate the conversation when you talk to potential voters and they express their uh their concerns?
1:55:52
SPEAKER_28: And what else is sort of at the top of that list, uh Ryan Wilson?
1:55:55
SPEAKER_30: Everywhere we go.
1:55:55
SPEAKER_30: I mean it's it's it's the first thing and it's the last thing.
1:55:58
SPEAKER_30: You know, we were at uh walking around game fair, right?
1:56:00
SPEAKER_30: So you think we'd be you think the people that will be coming up to us will be talking about um outdoor issues, right?
1:56:04
SPEAKER_30: Maybe hunting, fishing, uh uh clean water, this sort of thing.
1:56:08
SPEAKER_30: No, the first thing that comes up is fraud.
1:56:10
SPEAKER_30: And then they tie it to things that you know like affordability.
1:56:12
SPEAKER_30: That's a big thing we hear about is why are my property taxes so high?
1:56:15
SPEAKER_30: Why am I paying so much for car tabs?
1:56:17
SPEAKER_30: Uh and we start to talk about solutions.
1:56:19
SPEAKER_30: Here's some of the things that we've done, that Lisa's done in the legislature.
1:56:22
SPEAKER_30: You know, here's some of the things we're proposing, um, and just have a conversation with folks.
1:56:25
SPEAKER_30: And that goes back to fraud.
1:56:26
SPEAKER_30: So maybe if we're not paying$9 billion in fraud, at least$9 billion in fraud, maybe we don't have to have such high property taxes.
1:56:32
SPEAKER_30: Maybe we don't have to have such high car tabs, right?
1:56:34
SPEAKER_30: And so, you know, we've got lots of money for learing centers, but not a lot of money to help people, you know, afford their houses.
1:56:39
SPEAKER_30: And so it all dovetails together.
1:56:41
SPEAKER_30: Tick talk about schools, right?
1:56:42
SPEAKER_30: Uh schools are coming up soon, and and um we we regularly hear about how schools need more money.
1:56:48
SPEAKER_30: There's a real, you know, the Center for American Experiment has done a lot on talking about what is the what have you gotten for return on the money that we've given schools.
1:56:55
SPEAKER_30: Um but we would be in a much better spot with our schools if we weren't having to put nine billion dollars out in fraud.
1:57:02
SPEAKER_30: Everything goes back to fraud, right?
1:57:04
SPEAKER_30: The state will just run that much better when the money goes to the things that it's supposed to go to.
1:57:08
SPEAKER_30: And that burden will be lifted off of.
1:57:09
SPEAKER_30: So right now, people go to work and they pay taxes and they're thinking it's for roads, right?
1:57:12
SPEAKER_30: They're thinking it's for uh their schools, they're thinking it's for maybe a safety net to help people, right?
1:57:17
SPEAKER_30: It's not, it's going to fraud service, it's going to other countries, which is why in another part of our program, uh, there were two other things that we announced yesterday, or a couple other things that we announced I think are really important.
1:57:25
SPEAKER_30: Um, Lisa is going to stop transfers of money.
1:57:28
SPEAKER_30: If you're on welfare, you are not transferring money out of this country.
1:57:32
SPEAKER_30: Seems common sense.
1:57:33
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:57:33
SPEAKER_30: Happens today.
1:57:34
SPEAKER_30: Uh, and she said, look, if you have enough extra money that you can transfer it out of this country, you know, sending it back to you know to another people, family, friends, whatever in another country, then maybe you don't need to be on welfare.
1:57:44
SPEAKER_30: Right.
1:57:44
SPEAKER_30: And so banning it out of the gate, you know, and work with the legislature, get that legislation in place.
1:57:49
SPEAKER_30: And the other thing is you gotta have serious consequences.
1:57:52
SPEAKER_30: If you commit fraud, you're going to jail.
1:57:55
SPEAKER_30: Period, full stop, mandatory minimum sentences.
1:57:58
SPEAKER_30: We see a lot of people getting off with plea deals right now, you're going to jail.
1:58:01
SPEAKER_30: We're going to get the money back for people.
1:58:03
SPEAKER_30: And if we need new tools to do it, to be able to go seize their assets, work with the legislature, get those tools, get them right away.
1:58:09
SPEAKER_30: Uh, but we can't just let them let the money go.
1:58:11
SPEAKER_30: And a lifetime ban on receiving welfare.
1:58:13
SPEAKER_30: If you stole from the system, if you took money from a kid's mouth that was hungry, if you took money from a mom that needed that money to stay in her house and not get evicted, you are never getting welfare dollars here in Minnesota again.
1:58:23
SPEAKER_30: You can go to another state, sure, that state could do what they want with you.
1:58:26
SPEAKER_30: But here in Minnesota, you are not fooling us twice.
1:58:29
SPEAKER_28: Uh, Ryan Wilson, two things before we uh let you go this morning.
1:58:32
SPEAKER_28: Uh today there was a new KSTP survey USA poll.
1:58:36
SPEAKER_28: Um the summary provided by the AI overlords uh says uh the poll shows the Minnesota's attorney general race is a toss-up, while the DFL has a slight early edge for governor and U.S.
1:58:47
SPEAKER_28: Senate.
1:58:47
SPEAKER_28: The poll reveals demographic splits um in rate and in each race, with undecided voters potentially playing a significant role in the outcome.
1:58:55
SPEAKER_28: The governor's race, of course, pitting House Speaker Lisa Damuth against Amy Clobichard, the Senate race is Tefoya and Peggy Flanagan.
1:59:02
SPEAKER_28: We talked a little bit about this at the start of our uh of our conversation.
1:59:05
SPEAKER_28: Um it's obviously impossible to not look at these polls, but based on the results of recent polls, are you putting much stock into this?
1:59:11
SPEAKER_28: What do you do with with inf with uh this information?
1:59:14
SPEAKER_28: Do you do anything with this information?
1:59:16
SPEAKER_30: Oh, we don't.
1:59:16
SPEAKER_30: And we you know we obviously we have our own internal polling and things like that.
1:59:18
SPEAKER_30: And that really drives, you know, kind of where we uh deploy resources, assets, things like that.
1:59:22
SPEAKER_30: And so that's the uh that's the real decision-making process.
1:59:25
SPEAKER_30: This this poll, I think this is the same poster that had us down for you know, 10, what, 10 points.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_30: We ended up winning by you know 10 points and so crazy swing like that.
1:59:32
SPEAKER_30: Uh you know, people I think people have the the these polls that are good for a media hit, they're good for entertainment, you know, they maybe sell some ads by the people that do them.
1:59:40
SPEAKER_30: Um, but I don't think people put a lot of credence into them.
1:59:42
SPEAKER_30: I think here's the best example of that.
1:59:43
SPEAKER_30: It's good for content for this show.
1:59:46
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, look at in 2010, I think it was the weekend before um the election, the Tom Emmer, uh, Mark Dayton election.
1:59:52
SPEAKER_30: I think it had Tom Emmer down like 10 or 12 points in a couple of these polls.
1:59:56
SPEAKER_30: Obviously, that was the closest race in a long time.
1:59:58
SPEAKER_30: I think he was within 10,000 votes, right?
2:00:00
SPEAKER_30: Half a percent or something less like that.
2:00:02
SPEAKER_30: And so it was a massive polling air.
2:00:04
SPEAKER_30: And you know, the purpose of a lot of this is to kind of uh uh and there's studies that show this try to turn people off from voting, turn out excitement.
2:00:09
SPEAKER_30: Again, uh I would say through the month of September, middle of October, I would any poll that early, I would just toss aside and just really listen to the substance of what people are saying.
2:00:18
SPEAKER_30: Can you uh trust the Democrats or the Republicans, Lisa or Amy?
2:00:22
SPEAKER_30: Who is the one that you believe is going to make the change?
2:00:25
SPEAKER_30: The person that's already doing it, that's already done it, or the person that issued a thousand press releases and never once mentioned fraud.
2:00:31
SPEAKER_28: Uh, let's close out our conversation with Lieutenant Governor Candidate with Lisa uh Damuth, uh Ryan Wilson, and we'll go back to the uh blaster line with a uh question for you, Ryan.
2:00:41
SPEAKER_18: Hey, John, can you just ask Ryan, um, how can somebody get a yard sign in their yard?
2:00:50
SPEAKER_18: This is Todd from Robinsdale.
2:00:53
SPEAKER_18: Thank you.
2:00:53
SPEAKER_28: The hard uh the hardest hitting question you're gonna get all morning, uh Ryan, is uh Todd from Robbinsdale.
2:00:57
SPEAKER_28: Where can they get a campaign sign?
2:00:59
SPEAKER_30: You go to www.lisa4mn.com.
2:01:02
SPEAKER_30: Scroll to the bottom and give you lots of things to check off there.
2:01:05
SPEAKER_30: Get your yard sign.
2:01:06
SPEAKER_30: You can sign up for door knocking, for calling, all kinds of stuff.
2:01:08
SPEAKER_30: Lisa4mn.com.
2:01:10
SPEAKER_28: Thank you for coming in on uh such a short notice, uh Ryan.
2:01:13
SPEAKER_28: It's uh I really appreciate it.
2:01:15
SPEAKER_28: Uh continue good luck in your campaign, and I'm sure we'll be talking again uh real soon.
2:01:18
SPEAKER_28: Thank you.
2:01:18
SPEAKER_28: Thanks, buddy.
2:01:19
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2:02:07
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2:02:12
SPEAKER_28: We're about 14 minutes away from talking with uh Liz Collin from Alpha News.
2:02:18
SPEAKER_28: Uh recent reporting over at uh Alpha News regarding Derek Chauvin seeking a dismissal of charges and a bombshell filing alleging unlawful and fraudulent conduct.
2:02:29
SPEAKER_28: I'm really looking forward to talking with Liz about this and diving into this particular story, um, especially when it comes to other attempts to uh what's the way I want to other attempts to assist Derek Chauvin uh in what many uh believe was a sham of a trial regarding the death of uh George Floyd and whether or not this has uh any potential uh to uh actually change the situation that Derek Chauvin is in.
2:02:56
SPEAKER_28: So we'll talk to uh to Liz Collin again coming up at uh at 8.15.
2:02:59
SPEAKER_28: Got several comments that rolled in regarding Governor Dim Walls banning copper mining in Minnesota, crippling attempts to decarbonize the economy.
2:03:08
SPEAKER_28: There's a brand new piece available at AmericanExperiment.org, written by John Phelan, who was uh on for the last half hour of uh yesterday's uh show.
2:03:17
SPEAKER_28: Uh Governor Dim Walls posted on X I'm using my executive authority to ban non-farious mining in the boundary waters.
2:03:24
SPEAKER_28: As far as my administration is concerned, the fight for the future of the boundary waters is over.
2:03:30
SPEAKER_28: The verdict is in, the decision is made, and we'll protect this place at least for 90 days after I leave office.
2:03:37
SPEAKER_28: It's a pretty definitive statement for a move that limits um mining near the BWCAW, but won't last forever because under Minnesota law, the executive orders from the governor expire 90 days after that person has left office.
2:03:54
SPEAKER_28: So who is Walls appealing to in doing this?
2:03:57
SPEAKER_28: I don't think this was out of his own belief or the goodness of his of his heart.
2:04:03
SPEAKER_28: He's got nothing to lose.
2:04:05
SPEAKER_28: In my opinion, you know, there was external motivation here.
2:04:08
SPEAKER_28: You know, Ryan Wilson mentioned Amy Klobuchar.
2:04:10
SPEAKER_28: I actually wrote that in my notes, right?
2:04:13
SPEAKER_28: Is this is this helping Amy so that if she were to win the governorship, she doesn't have to go and do this?
2:04:21
SPEAKER_28: Will she extend it?
2:04:22
SPEAKER_28: I mean, that's what she needs to be asked.
2:04:24
SPEAKER_28: John Phelan says, no doubt the No Kings crowd are dusting off their placards as I type.
2:04:29
SPEAKER_28: It illustrates the complete incoherence of the American left.
2:04:33
SPEAKER_28: We need to decarbonize our economy, they say, but we will be damned if we'll let you mine the copper required to do so, even on their own terms.
2:04:42
SPEAKER_28: One can perhaps have a decarbonized economy or one with no copper mining.
2:04:47
SPEAKER_28: One cannot have both.
2:04:49
SPEAKER_28: The American left faces a time for choosing.
2:04:52
SPEAKER_28: And we've seen this in other circumstances recently.
2:04:54
SPEAKER_28: There was a uh a lawsuit that was put forward by one organization recently, and you had prominent Democrats going and touting that particular organization that the state was currently suing.
2:05:08
SPEAKER_28: You know, make it make sense.
2:05:09
SPEAKER_28: No, there was some externality forcing the move by Governor uh Dim Walls.
2:05:15
SPEAKER_28: Let's go to your thoughts on the blaster line.
2:05:17
SPEAKER_22: Good morning, John.
2:05:18
SPEAKER_22: Good show so far.
2:05:19
SPEAKER_22: Um Waltz is blocking the copper because he's helping his friends over in China.
2:05:23
SPEAKER_28: Oh, okay.
2:05:25
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
2:05:25
SPEAKER_28: Listen, at this point, I'll take whatever suggestions that that you have.
2:05:29
SPEAKER_28: Because there was obviously, in my opinion, well, I'll be saying, let me back up.
2:05:32
SPEAKER_28: In my opinion, there were externalities driving this move by Governor Dim Walls.
2:05:39
SPEAKER_13: Hey, John, uh, I thought Minnesota didn't want any team that uh yet Tim Walls can unilaterally ban something from happening.
2:05:48
SPEAKER_13: Make it make sense.
2:05:50
SPEAKER_28: Make it make sense is a constant theme when it comes to uh the left here in Minnesota and really across the country as well.
2:06:00
SPEAKER_18: Doesn't surprise me.
2:06:01
SPEAKER_18: You know, he was up there a couple weeks ago.
2:06:03
SPEAKER_18: We all saw that stupid golf video of his.
2:06:06
SPEAKER_18: Um but you know, I think the average Metropolitan, St.
2:06:10
SPEAKER_18: Paul resident, has no idea what mining is.
2:06:13
SPEAKER_18: So they hear boundary waters and mining, of course they support it.
2:06:16
SPEAKER_18: Have a great day.
2:06:17
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't be so sure about that.
2:06:20
SPEAKER_28: I would not I would not be so sure about that.
2:06:22
SPEAKER_28: We'll have to we'll have to see how this plays out.
2:06:24
SPEAKER_28: As I mentioned, there's a lot of um, you know, a lot of the mining companies, obviously, um, and and individuals on both sides of the aisle that are none too happy about this move by Governor uh Dim Dim Walls.
2:06:37
SPEAKER_28: So I didn't realize that those stupid golfing videos, he was actually up north when he was doing that.
2:06:41
SPEAKER_28: So I don't know.
2:06:43
SPEAKER_28: Maybe somebody helped him out with his golf game in exchange for going and banning the mining up in the up in the boundary waters.
2:06:50
SPEAKER_28: Perhaps that's the case.
2:06:51
SPEAKER_28: We've had a changeover of uh producers.
2:06:53
SPEAKER_28: Isaac has now uh joined us uh in studio.
2:06:56
SPEAKER_28: It's like a magic trick.
2:06:57
SPEAKER_28: I'm over here doing the show.
2:06:58
SPEAKER_28: I look over, and there's another dude who's over to my right.
2:07:00
SPEAKER_28: Good morning, Isaac.
2:07:01
SPEAKER_28: Good morning.
2:07:01
SPEAKER_28: How are you doing this morning, sir?
2:07:02
SPEAKER_28: Good.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_28: Good to see him bright and early.
2:07:04
SPEAKER_28: Bright and early.
2:07:05
SPEAKER_28: Getting a little preview of Freedom Friday.
2:07:07
SPEAKER_28: We should have a full house on Friday.
2:07:09
SPEAKER_28: We were talking with Ryan Wilson a moment ago.
2:07:10
SPEAKER_28: Thank you for uh everybody who left uh comments for uh for Ryan and uh the press, uh, the press uh conference that they had yesterday.
2:07:18
SPEAKER_28: Um, 1,000 Clobushar press releases.
2:07:21
SPEAKER_28: None of them were about fraud.
2:07:22
SPEAKER_28: This was a focus of the press conference as Lisa Damath went and laid out her plans to go and uh and tackle fraud.
2:07:28
SPEAKER_28: I wanted to make one quick point on this, and I want to share with you something else regarding fraud here in Minnesota.
2:07:33
SPEAKER_28: Um, but this is significant.
2:07:36
SPEAKER_28: You know, when the fraud started to occur, uh, feeding our future, going back to 2022, you had half a dozen or more prominent politicians, left and right, DC and Minnesota, that made declarations calling out this fraud, and yet Laimi Clobishar remained completely silent on the issue.
2:07:55
SPEAKER_28: So it's not it's not like a political stunt to go and point out why she doesn't care about the fraud.
2:08:04
SPEAKER_28: If she did, she would have gone and said something about it earlier.
2:08:08
SPEAKER_28: Or, as you know, Ryan Wilson said uh a moment ago, when it comes to the audits of the state, why not go and encourage Governor Dimwalls to go and do that now?
2:08:20
SPEAKER_14: Hi, good morning, John.
2:08:21
SPEAKER_14: You know, mining copper here is bad, but the left is perfectly okay with slave labor mining in Chicago.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, they just ignore that.
2:08:30
SPEAKER_28: They just ignore the the um the slave labor that is used in other country when it uh countries when it comes to the precious metals that they need to go and power the EVs that they tout so often.
2:08:42
SPEAKER_28: Matt Dean has a piece this morning.
2:08:44
SPEAKER_28: Minnesota's Medicaid program has seen explosive growth in uh back in 2019.
2:08:49
SPEAKER_28: Okay.
2:08:50
SPEAKER_28: Spending nearly doubled to a projected$24 billion in fiscal 2026.
2:08:55
SPEAKER_28: The growth is attributed to increased enrollment, higher average payments, and persistent cost increases exacerbated by documented fraud vulnerabilities.
2:09:05
SPEAKER_28: Despite predictions of decreased enrollment, spending and enrollment have continued to rise, highlighting the needs for reform to address fraud and prioritize legitimate care, which is obviously why the Damuth Gubernatorial campaign held the press conference yesterday and was focused on this.
2:09:23
SPEAKER_28: So state spending on Medicaid has nearly doubled since 2019.
2:09:26
SPEAKER_28: 250,000 Minnesota enrollees are predicted to be removed from Medicaid as a result of Trump's big beautiful bill.
2:09:35
SPEAKER_28: It did not happen in 2026.
2:09:37
SPEAKER_28: In fact, spending and enrollment grew.
2:09:41
SPEAKER_28: So when you hear those claims by the left, counter to that fact, they're lying or they're completely misinformed.
2:09:49
SPEAKER_28: Per capita spending on Medicaid in Minnesota is now over$20,000 per person, and the costs continue to explode.
2:09:57
SPEAKER_28: One more item of note that I want to share with you, keeping with the uh fraud issue.
2:10:02
SPEAKER_28: We've talked about the Minnesota Promise Grant, the individuals who have been approved that shouldn't have been approved for this promise grant, again, taxpayer dollars.
2:10:11
SPEAKER_28: Uh KSTP Channel 5 has uncovered now multiple incomplete applications that were approved for this grant.
2:10:19
SPEAKER_28: Here's a bit of the reporting from Channel 5.
2:10:22
SPEAKER_40: Here we go again.
2:10:23
SPEAKER_40: Another approved application for a Minnesota promise grant that failed to answer the key questions in the application.
2:10:31
SPEAKER_40: The two questions were: how will this money help the success of your business?
2:10:35
SPEAKER_40: You see it right there, and how will they help achieve your goals?
2:10:39
SPEAKER_40: It's blank, and it got approved.
2:10:42
SPEAKER_40: By the way, I'm Ryan with Five Investigates.
2:10:44
SPEAKER_40: I've been covering this$100 million Minnesota Promise Act program, taxpayer-funded program for about a year, and I keep finding more problems.
2:10:53
SPEAKER_40: This is now the second application I have found through the Neighborhood Development Center that has approved an incomplete application for taxpayer money.
2:11:01
SPEAKER_40: This business is a trucking business.
2:11:03
SPEAKER_40: It received just shy of a$20,000 promise grant.
2:11:07
SPEAKER_40: And in case you're wondering, does it really matter if someone answers these questions or not on the application?
2:11:12
SPEAKER_40: According to critics, yes, it does.
2:11:14
SPEAKER_40: And they point to this as a reason.
2:11:17
SPEAKER_40: On the application, it says these questions will show how the grant would help the business and confirm, keyword, confirm that you will use the funding in the matter the legislation dictates.
2:11:30
SPEAKER_40: We are not done reporting on this program yet, in part because the state has only handed over about five applications of the more than 1,000 we have asked for.
2:11:40
SPEAKER_40: It's been more than six months, and we're still waiting.
2:11:43
SPEAKER_40: Follow for more updates and reach out if you know something I should know.
2:11:47
SPEAKER_28: And again, that's from KSTP Channel 5.
2:11:50
SPEAKER_28: Why do we have these problems?
2:11:53
SPEAKER_28: There's a commonality between us, between them all.
2:11:57
SPEAKER_28: And it goes back to Democrats and their priorities.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_28: Priorities are screwed up.
2:12:02
SPEAKER_28: Bottom line.
2:12:03
SPEAKER_28: If it doesn't help them politically, if it doesn't help them grow power, retain the power, right, then they don't care about it.
2:12:16
SPEAKER_28: And we see example after example of that being the case.
2:12:21
SPEAKER_28: And two examples that I have uh that I have here as well that we'll get that we'll get into uh coming up uh coming up on the show.
2:12:29
SPEAKER_28: I mentioned this last hour.
2:12:30
SPEAKER_28: You have all the crime that's taking place, more copper wire thefts, just as the most recent story this morning in Minneapolis.
2:12:36
SPEAKER_28: And what are they focused on in Minneapolis?
2:12:38
SPEAKER_28: The City Council is focused on not only decriminalizing bathhouses so that Isaac can open his bathhouse and Porium.
2:12:45
SPEAKER_28: Finally.
2:12:46
SPEAKER_28: But they're also moving forward with ordinances that target velvet rope discrimination at bars and restaurants.
2:12:52
SPEAKER_28: What is Attorney General Thief Ellison uh focused on?
2:12:56
SPEAKER_28: He's focused on suing the Texas governor to force extradition of an ICE agent.
2:13:01
SPEAKER_28: Their priorities are all focused on what is most politically expedient for them and not for the very people who want to put them into power, including their own constituents, who they've brainwashed to the point that they've been convinced that these are the things they should be focused on, but certainly everybody else that didn't go and support them.
2:13:20
SPEAKER_28: They're supposed to be in these positions for everybody in Minneapolis, but they're not.
2:13:24
SPEAKER_28: Keith Ellison is supposed to be the people's lawyer, but he's not.
2:13:29
SPEAKER_28: And this is what I think we all hope begins to change coming up in uh the uh in the upcoming um election.
2:13:37
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2:15:59
SPEAKER_28: I'm very pleased to welcome Liz Collin from uh Alpha News, first appearance on the new show here at American Experiment.
2:16:06
SPEAKER_28: Good to see you, Liz, and thank you so much for coming on this morning.
2:16:08
SPEAKER_38: Great to see you.
2:16:09
SPEAKER_38: Congratulations on the new show we've been watching over here at Alpha News.
2:16:14
SPEAKER_38: Exciting to see and to hear as well.
2:16:16
SPEAKER_38: This video thing's not so so fun, is it?
2:16:19
SPEAKER_38: How much makeup are you wearing, John?
2:16:20
SPEAKER_28: I'm not wearing any makeup.
2:16:21
SPEAKER_28: This is all natural beauty.
2:16:23
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, that's right.
2:16:24
SPEAKER_28: That's right.
2:16:25
SPEAKER_28: Well, you know what, Liz, if I if I were gonna wear any makeup, I'd have to do my own makeup, but I don't think anybody wants to see that.
2:16:30
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
2:16:32
SPEAKER_28: I could have Isaac do it.
2:16:33
SPEAKER_28: I don't know.
2:16:34
SPEAKER_28: Isaac, you good at applying makeup?
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unknown: Okay.
2:16:36
SPEAKER_28: That's what I thought.
2:16:38
SPEAKER_28: Uh Liz, we've talked about previous efforts when it comes to change the situation for uh Derek uh Chauvin in his uh in his conviction and the death of George Floyd.
2:16:48
SPEAKER_28: And I know that there's been a lot of questions swirling around those efforts of whether or not they are actually beneficial to Derek Chauvin.
2:16:56
SPEAKER_28: Um, this new bombshell court filing um of uh Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin and his attorney seeking the dismissal of the charges, um, am I correct in saying this carries a much different weight and bearing than what we've seen in previous efforts to change the circumstances that Derek Chauvin has been under serving his time in in jail?
2:17:15
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, John, I think absolutely.
2:17:17
SPEAKER_38: So these are allegations of fraud, uh essentially pointed squarely at Governor Tim Walls and Attorney General Keith Ellison in this case.
2:17:24
SPEAKER_38: I know that right there is going to shock you, right, at this point.
2:17:27
SPEAKER_38: Uh, but this really is a bombshell petition.
2:17:30
SPEAKER_38: It is the the third uh filed by Greg Joseph, uh filed yesterday at Hennepin County Court.
2:17:36
SPEAKER_38: Um Joseph has been representing uh Derek Chauvin now for the last couple of years.
2:17:40
SPEAKER_38: But he's calling the the charges against Chauvin illegal, the trial a fraud, and he's asking that the charges be dismissed.
2:17:47
SPEAKER_38: But I just want to back up for your listeners a little bit uh to lay it out.
2:17:50
SPEAKER_38: I know those those days I think are a blur uh for many people since Minneapolis was essentially burning.
2:17:55
SPEAKER_38: Uh but if you remember, so May 25th, 2020, shortly thereafter, we have uh a veteran Hennepin County prosecutor.
2:18:01
SPEAKER_38: Her name is Amy Sweezy.
2:18:03
SPEAKER_38: She did not want to charge the other officers, and she thought additional charges against Eric Chauvin went too far.
2:18:09
SPEAKER_38: So this is all from court documents related to a lawsuit that she filed uh against county attorney back then, uh Mike Freeman at the time, accusing him of retaliation for withdrawing from the Chauvin case.
2:18:20
SPEAKER_38: So essentially you have Henneffe County prosecutors, they're not comfortable with the charges, and Mike Freeman at the time, he's not happy about that.
2:18:26
SPEAKER_38: Again, all from uh this case in court documents, that is very clear.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_38: So, what happens next?
2:18:30
SPEAKER_38: You have Governor Walls come in.
2:18:32
SPEAKER_38: He appoints Attorney General Keith Ellison to the case.
2:18:35
SPEAKER_38: What happens next?
2:18:36
SPEAKER_38: Derek Chauvin is then charged with second-degree murder, the most serious charge.
2:18:41
SPEAKER_38: And in this 31-page petition, Greg Joseph argues even the reassignment of the case to Ellison was unlawful because the Hennepin County District Court did not convene a grand jury, and that clearly violates state and federal rules and laws.
2:18:54
SPEAKER_38: So you have Chauvin's attorney talking about this in an interview that I did with him just yesterday, essentially how we had to go back to the very beginning of this case.
2:19:01
SPEAKER_38: He finds these fundamental and basic violations of due process.
2:19:05
SPEAKER_38: He says he's absolutely shocked, and he has to do something with that discovery, and that's where this petition came from.
2:19:11
SPEAKER_38: Uh, and he filed it in a pretty short amount of time.
2:19:14
SPEAKER_28: Talking with uh Liz Collin from Alpha News, you you kind of answered my my question.
2:19:18
SPEAKER_28: Uh and uh I was discussing this yesterday when when you guys broke this story, and the first thing that came to mind, and the first thing that I was asked regarding this was, well, why did they just now find out about it?
2:19:30
SPEAKER_28: Had the attorney not gone back to and had not realized what had happened regarding the lack of the convening of this grand jury?
2:19:36
SPEAKER_28: Can you talk a little bit about the timeline and why this is happening now, so many years later?
2:19:41
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, it it's is exactly as Greg Joseph uh lays out in the in the sense that he has been uh representing Derek Chauvin uh again for the last couple of years, and there have been some petitions filed before.
2:19:52
SPEAKER_38: You'll remember even uh he was being represented by another attorney at the time, uh went all the way to the U.S.
2:19:57
SPEAKER_38: Supreme Court, and that uh appeal was basically based on the change of venue.
2:20:02
SPEAKER_38: You know, how how the heck can you get a fair trial in Hennepin County, right, with all of this?
2:20:05
SPEAKER_38: The US Supreme Court decided not to um take take the case back then.
2:20:09
SPEAKER_38: But this really was something that came together very quickly, and I I think everybody thinks that the the law is followed, but maybe we know a little bit more now, right, about uh Keith Ellison and Tim Walls, let's be honest.
2:20:22
SPEAKER_38: Um and I don't think that that Greg Joseph uh was aware, and and I'll I'll be honest, Derek Chauvin, not aware either, uh who's looking at the the law sort of line by line.
2:20:31
SPEAKER_38: But what's interesting is you look at the law, um this is uh directly from state statute.
2:20:36
SPEAKER_38: Um basically um the grand jury shall inquire into the willful and corrupt misconduct in office of all public officers in the county.
2:20:46
SPEAKER_38: Derrick Chauvin, uh, a public officer, you so you have to take this thing to a grand jury.
2:20:50
SPEAKER_38: In fact, what's interesting here, John, this exact argument was used in Ryan Londrigan's case.
2:20:54
SPEAKER_38: That's the Minnesota State Trooper uh charged with the murder or the death of Ricky Cobb.
2:20:58
SPEAKER_38: The charges were dropped.
2:20:59
SPEAKER_38: His attorney at the time, Chris Maddle, argued this exact uh same thing.
2:21:03
SPEAKER_38: And again, we know what happened in that case.
2:21:06
SPEAKER_38: So again, in theory, a grand jury, you know what they would have been able to see in this case?
2:21:10
SPEAKER_38: The MRT, the maximal restraint technique, the body camera footage, the autopsy, the toxicology results.
2:21:16
SPEAKER_38: Instead, everything that that happened after that, Chauvin's attorney is alleging in this petition, uh, is kind of the show trial that is put on.
2:21:24
SPEAKER_38: And uh everything that that happened before.
2:21:26
SPEAKER_38: I'll just read one line uh from the petition.
2:21:28
SPEAKER_38: The political fruits of this unlawful prosecution have shaped the trajectory of this state and the world.
2:21:36
SPEAKER_38: Um so again, calling this an unlawful prosecution from the very start of Derek Chauvin.
2:21:42
SPEAKER_28: Well, Liz, it takes your documentary, uh, The Fall of Minneapolis, and it kind of puts it in a whole other, a whole other light in the wake of this uh of the move of Chauvin's attorney with what you just with what you what you just laid out.
2:21:57
SPEAKER_28: I mean, I know you guys labeled it as a bombshell, but I mean if you were ever going to label anything as a bombshell, this would be it.
2:22:03
SPEAKER_28: Have you I'm I'm assuming not, but I'll ask.
2:22:06
SPEAKER_28: I mean, have we uh heard anything from Ellison or or Walls regarding this?
2:22:10
SPEAKER_28: And I know no surprise to you, Liz, or maybe it is a surprise.
2:22:13
SPEAKER_28: I didn't see a whole lot of coverage apart from Alpha News on this particular story.
2:22:15
SPEAKER_28: I know it's shocking as I was doing my prep today, but have we heard from any of the individuals involved in this that were, you know, tasked with charging uh Chauvin of these of these crimes?
2:22:25
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, I will say that we went to work as soon as this was filed.
2:22:29
SPEAKER_38: I read I reached out to to uh the office of Governor Walls.
2:22:33
SPEAKER_38: Let me just tell you how hard it is to get in touch with our governor, also not surprising.
2:22:37
SPEAKER_38: Um emails bounce back, and then they you also get an email that says they're not checking the media email often, which also makes you feel good, right?
2:22:44
SPEAKER_38: Um so no no response from Governor Walls, uh, no response from Keith Ellison.
2:22:49
SPEAKER_38: I think I'm basically on the blocked list uh from him.
2:22:52
SPEAKER_38: And uh also the Hennefin County um attorney's office has has not responded.
2:22:56
SPEAKER_38: But but you're right, also I didn't see this story anywhere yesterday, maybe today or next week, if somebody gets around to it, they they will.
2:23:03
SPEAKER_28: Uh Liz Collin from Alpha News, let's talk a little bit about what happens, uh what happens next.
2:23:07
SPEAKER_28: Uh and I guess I'll just ask, uh, you know, what what happens next?
2:23:10
SPEAKER_28: I mean, I'm assuming we're waiting to see court responses to all uh all of this.
2:23:15
SPEAKER_28: And it let's just and let's just m do a hypothetical here.
2:23:18
SPEAKER_28: Um, you know, if these charges, the dismissal of these charges, uh were to bring about that very thing, I mean, then then what happens?
2:23:26
SPEAKER_28: Is there, you know, is that it for him?
2:23:28
SPEAKER_28: Is he released?
2:23:29
SPEAKER_28: Is there a retrial?
2:23:30
SPEAKER_28: What what happens next, Liz?
2:23:32
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, so basically um Greg Joseph explains this yesterday.
2:23:36
SPEAKER_38: Um it's a longer conversation with with him.
2:23:38
SPEAKER_38: If you head over to Elfin News MN on our YouTube uh page, you can check it out there.
2:23:43
SPEAKER_38: But he talks about how essentially Hennepin County uh district court judge uh Paul Scoggin, he will have 45 days to respond uh to this petition.
2:23:52
SPEAKER_38: And then uh Mr.
2:23:53
SPEAKER_38: Joseph will go ahead and respond to that.
2:23:56
SPEAKER_38: He's he's saying that he'd like the charges dismissed.
2:23:58
SPEAKER_38: He'd also like to argue this case uh in in front of the judge, so it could go a couple of different ways.
2:24:05
SPEAKER_38: But remember, Derek Chuman also has, and this applies to the other officers as well.
2:24:09
SPEAKER_38: I will I will say that.
2:24:10
SPEAKER_38: Remember, the the three officers, um, they all went to prison.
2:24:13
SPEAKER_38: Tutao just get got out a few months ago, um, essentially, after giving another year on his sentence, because uh Judge Peter Cahill did not like the fact that he was reciting Bible verses uh during um that that court proceeding.
2:24:29
SPEAKER_38: But but you there is also a federal um sentence involved in all of this.
2:24:35
SPEAKER_38: So the state is really the thing that they're gonna have you know the the the toughest time sort of undoing here.
2:24:41
SPEAKER_38: But I don't know how you go forward with something like this.
2:24:44
SPEAKER_38: What does this also say to police officers in the state of Minnesota, right?
2:24:48
SPEAKER_38: If they're doing these these backdoor dealings for years.
2:24:50
SPEAKER_38: And this and again, this isn't just Derek Chauvin's case.
2:24:53
SPEAKER_38: This is Kim Potter's case where a grand jury uh laid out in the petition.
2:24:58
SPEAKER_38: Yeah.
2:24:58
SPEAKER_38: Um Brian Cummings, who's another Minneapolis police officer, he was uh charged um after uh an incident that happened back in 2023.
2:25:07
SPEAKER_38: But this all happens in a pretty short amount of time um in in Minnesota, in in Hennepin County, I will say.
2:25:12
SPEAKER_38: They try to pull it again with Laundrigan, they're called out on it, and it it pretty interesting um how that that case is then uh dismissed.
2:25:22
SPEAKER_28: Liz, you and Alpha News have been at the forefront of these issues regarding Derek Chauvin, of course, the fall of Minneapolis.
2:25:27
SPEAKER_28: Uh I'm curious, what was your what was your own reaction when you uh when you heard from Derek Chauvin's attorney uh and uh and his calls to dismiss it and you were given the details.
2:25:38
SPEAKER_28: I'm just curious what your what your instinctive reaction was to it.
2:25:41
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, you know, my colleague who I know you've had on um before as well, uh Dr.
2:25:45
SPEAKER_38: JC Shea, who did the the fall of Minneapolis with us and um our other documentaries as well.
2:25:50
SPEAKER_38: I think we we really felt differently after reading this.
2:25:53
SPEAKER_38: Like, wow.
2:25:55
SPEAKER_38: Uh and and I shouldn't say we trust me, we've thought we thought all the arguments along the way have been very good in a in a society where common sense and you know things like the the justice system seem seem to make sense.
2:26:07
SPEAKER_38: Um, but this is uh Minnesota after all and Hennepin County uh after all.
2:26:11
SPEAKER_38: But but again, also the the case against us.
2:26:14
SPEAKER_38: Remember, we were sued for the book and the and the documentary uh in in Hennepin County, and that case is also wrapped up in this now as well.
2:26:21
SPEAKER_38: That case being dismissed against us, and then you have um all of the court declarations accusing one of the star witnesses, right, uh Katie Blackwell, of perjury um in the case.
2:26:32
SPEAKER_38: So I do think that we felt different, John, when we read this, going, first of all, we're like, how did we miss this?
2:26:38
SPEAKER_38: Um but but also um what an important argument.
2:26:42
SPEAKER_38: It's something that really should frankly be getting a whole heck of a lot uh of attention.
2:26:46
SPEAKER_28: Well, it seems to me this is going to be something that the uh that the media is gonna have a very difficult time uh ignoring as it moves forward.
2:26:53
SPEAKER_28: Do we know any do we know anything about this Judge Scoggins at all in terms of of his background?
2:26:58
SPEAKER_28: Have we gotten that far yet?
2:27:00
SPEAKER_38: Well, what's interesting is um Greg Joseph uh submitted a petition to him um not that not that long ago in the past, and he basically um did not side with the arguments that that Greg Joseph was making about the the case at at the time.
2:27:14
SPEAKER_38: So that's something we reported on not that long ago.
2:27:16
SPEAKER_38: Also encourage your listeners, we do have the the case, all of the the updates on the fall of Minneapolis.com to kind of the different twists and turns that that these appeals uh have taken.
2:27:26
SPEAKER_38: And you can see the documentary there as well for free.
2:27:29
SPEAKER_38: Um but but he did not um he did not seem to be going along with the arguments to for that last uh petition.
2:27:37
SPEAKER_38: Um I think he has a pretty good reputation from what I gather with that this judge.
2:27:42
SPEAKER_38: Um and but it is gonna take some some moral courage, I think, here to do to do the right thing.
2:27:49
SPEAKER_38: Um but also like like I said, I just think that these arguments are are really strong and the law is the law.
2:27:55
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
2:27:56
SPEAKER_28: Um just the last couple of things and then I'll uh I'll uh cut you loose here, Liz.
2:28:00
SPEAKER_28: And thank again, thank you for the time this morning.
2:28:01
SPEAKER_28: I encourage everybody to head on over to alpha news.org.
2:28:04
SPEAKER_28: Check out this reporting and the uh the interviews you mentioned as well.
2:28:07
SPEAKER_28: Uh you you touched upon it, but when it comes to the other officers involved in this, I mean this this has a direct impact on them as well, correct?
2:28:15
SPEAKER_38: Oh, oh, absolutely.
2:28:17
SPEAKER_38: And also something that they they were not aware of either, uh, with this this filing going like, are you are you kidding me?
2:28:22
SPEAKER_38: Uh this is a few.
2:28:25
SPEAKER_28: Have you talked to Tutel on about this yet?
2:28:27
SPEAKER_38: You know, I um was actually texting him about some some other things and and said that this was this was gonna be big, and I haven't yet to kind of get his his response.
2:28:35
SPEAKER_38: So I think it will be interesting to that that's an interview that I uh we did uh recently over at over at Elton News as well.
2:28:41
SPEAKER_38: You'll find that on the thefall of Minneapolis.com.
2:28:44
SPEAKER_38: But uh just yeah, so many, so many wrongs uh in this case.
2:28:48
SPEAKER_38: But uh, but again, going back to the very beginning and and putting it back together and you know Greg Joseph just talking about this, just being absolutely stunned.
2:28:56
SPEAKER_38: And I will say that I've spoken to to several uh attorneys um uh about all of this too, saying this is a really good argument, and they're kind of like, wow, we missed this too.
2:29:06
SPEAKER_28: Well, we're certainly uh we'll certainly anticipate uh further uh further updates in that 45 uh day uh window.
2:29:13
SPEAKER_28: I I would imagine we'd we'd get some sort of update between now, between now and then, not have to wait for the 45 days.
2:29:19
SPEAKER_28: And those speculation territory, but I imagine we'll get some information before that uh before the end of that time period, wouldn't uh no.
2:29:27
SPEAKER_38: Uh this justice, sir.
2:29:31
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, quite quite it'll be forty it'll be 45 days uh for sure.
2:29:34
SPEAKER_38: But I will say that this could be this could be the mob mentality still at work in Hennepin County, and this judge um says says no.
2:29:41
SPEAKER_38: However, you know, again, they can take this to the Minnesota uh state supreme court.
2:29:45
SPEAKER_38: This could go all the way.
2:29:46
SPEAKER_38: This is a procedural issue, a structural issue somebody's gonna have to fix.
2:29:50
SPEAKER_38: Um it could all go uh again all the way to the U.S.
2:29:53
SPEAKER_38: Supreme Court.
2:29:54
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, that was gonna be my last question for you, Liz, and thank you.
2:29:57
SPEAKER_28: Uh thank you for that.
2:29:58
SPEAKER_28: Anything uh people should be checking out at uh alpha news uh.org.
2:30:02
SPEAKER_28: I've covered uh several of the stories this morning, but anything you want to uh you want to uh tee up before uh before we say goodbye this morning?
2:30:08
SPEAKER_38: Yeah, which we very much appreciate.
2:30:10
SPEAKER_38: Thank you very much.
2:30:11
SPEAKER_38: Yes, uh, if your listeners want to check out, we have a news story up about uh Amy Klobishar that I think will be interesting.
2:30:18
SPEAKER_38: All these uh clips uh about her, and she actually responded to Alpha News for the very first time uh on a story.
2:30:26
SPEAKER_38: Um this walls thing of not responding to us for essentially, I think it was the last four or five years at this point.
2:30:36
SPEAKER_38: She seems to be going a different route, but maybe it's because of what we were asking her about for the story.
2:30:41
SPEAKER_38: So uh yeah, new story there from uh Luke Sprinkle.
2:30:43
SPEAKER_38: You'll find on our homepage.
2:30:45
SPEAKER_28: Uh Liz Collin, uh fantastic to see you, and thank you so much for coming on the show this morning.
2:30:48
SPEAKER_28: I greatly appreciate it.
2:30:49
SPEAKER_28: I look forward to the next time you and I get a chance to uh chat.
2:30:52
SPEAKER_28: And again, I encourage everybody to head on over to uh alpha news.org.
2:30:55
SPEAKER_28: I go there um at least twice a day in the morning when I wake up and when I'm doing prep in the afternoon.
2:30:59
SPEAKER_28: I encourage everybody else to do the same thing.
2:31:01
SPEAKER_28: Thank you, Liz.
2:31:02
SPEAKER_28: Uh, great seeing you.
2:31:03
SPEAKER_38: Great to see you, John.
2:31:04
SPEAKER_38: Thank you.
2:31:05
SPEAKER_28: You know, so in in the midst of all of this, what has um, you know, what has you know, Keith Ellison been uh focused on?
2:31:12
SPEAKER_28: He's been focused on going and attempting to extradite uh the ICE officer who shot a man in North Minneapolis last January and then has been accused of making false statements about the circumstances that led up to that shooting.
2:31:26
SPEAKER_28: Uh Ellison and Hennepin County attorney, Scary Moriarty, announced at a news conference Tuesday of the new lawsuit to bring uh about the extradition of the ICE officer Christian Castro.
2:31:36
SPEAKER_28: Ellison's campaigning on this.
2:31:38
SPEAKER_28: He only wants him extradited to bring him here so he can make, he can grandstand, right, make an example of this individual because they've made Operation Metro Surge a cornerstone of their campaigns heading into November.
2:31:53
SPEAKER_28: Now, at the time of the writing of this article from Fox 9, um, there hadn't not been a response from Texas Governor Greg Abbott.
2:32:00
SPEAKER_28: He did respond yesterday, and here is what he had to say at a press conference in Texas regarding uh Ellison and Scary Moriarty wanting to extradite to the ICE officer Christian Castro.
2:32:12
SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, uh I don't trust Tim Waltz on anything, uh let alone something like this.
2:32:18
SPEAKER_00: But listen, while they're making demands, I can have a demand of my own.
2:32:21
SPEAKER_00: And that is, it's time for Minnesota to step up and repay the United States of America and Americans for all the fraud that they have committed in their state under federal programs.
2:32:31
SPEAKER_00: And I will not respond to them at all until they step up and do what's right and they acknowledge uh their fault uh in the fraud that took place, and they fully repay the United States of America for the fraud they committed.
2:32:44
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2:32:50
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2:33:14
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2:33:16
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2:33:27
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2:33:30
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2:33:44
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2:33:45
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SPEAKER_32: There is certainly a culture at the City Council and at the mayor's office, again, over the last ten years, that has just not been willing to hire police officers.
2:34:38
SPEAKER_32: And we have seen rhetoric and action that has very much been about defunding the police.
2:34:43
SPEAKER_32: We filed a petition called a Red of Mandamus, which is basic basically a Latin word for we command, and where we're asking the court to hold the mayor to his duty and hire those police officers.
2:34:57
SPEAKER_32: And we have tried to detail in our court papers the real world effect this has on people, including our brave clients who've come forward and put their name on court papers and who've experienced everything from bullet holes in their houses to family members who've been struck by a vehicle and in a hit and run never solved to personal vandalism at their homes and property where they've had property stolen, to murder in their neighborhoods where they don't feel safe, they don't feel protected, they literally feel they cannot go out at night.
2:35:34
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2:35:38
SPEAKER_32: And we said this is a violation of the single subject and title clause of the Minnesota Constitution.
2:35:43
SPEAKER_32: We are challenging this one section on behalf of our clients, the binary trigger clause, which had to do with how you define a trigger that can, with one pull, fire off multiple shots.
2:35:55
SPEAKER_32: And that's just smashed into this 1,400-page thing, right?
2:35:59
SPEAKER_32: Yes.
2:35:59
SPEAKER_32: That covers everything from health, higher education, firearms, energy, agriculture, human services, health, and paid leave.
2:36:06
SPEAKER_32: Not a single subject.
2:36:07
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2:36:17
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2:36:27
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2:36:37
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2:38:18
SPEAKER_28: We have the Chief Advocacy Officer at Utility Reform Now.
2:38:22
SPEAKER_28: Exclamation point.
2:38:25
SPEAKER_28: Good morning, Eric.
2:38:25
SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
2:38:27
SPEAKER_01: No, thanks so much for having me, John.
2:38:28
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate the exclamation point and then a chance to spend time with your listeners and viewers.
2:38:33
SPEAKER_28: So let's get to our uh our listeners and uh and viewers, as you mentioned, familiar with you.
2:38:37
SPEAKER_28: Talk a little bit about your background and um also uh what the uh utility reform uh movement or group is all about.
2:38:45
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
2:38:45
SPEAKER_01: I I appreciate uh the opportunity to do that.
2:38:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm what they call a 30-year man.
2:38:49
SPEAKER_01: I was 30 years in in state government, uh uh was uh Deputy Secretary of State for Mary Kiffmeyer, worked for Governor Plenty, was uh in the State House myself, and then most recently until December, was a judge, uh an administrative law judge uh with the state of Minnesota for 19 years.
2:39:07
SPEAKER_01: And so a lawyer and advocate and uh public servant and judge.
2:39:12
SPEAKER_01: Um and I became radicalized over this past summer um by uh what the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission is doing and not doing, uh, and so decided to leave the bench because I needed to say things out loud uh that were inappropriate for a judge to say, but hopefully uh within the bounds for what an advocate could do.
2:39:32
SPEAKER_28: I know we're gonna talk about the Minnesota PUC, but with your background, holy cow, we need to bring you back in just so I can pick your brain over what's happened here in Minnesota for the past uh 30 years.
2:39:41
SPEAKER_28: And I guess, by the way, I guess I can call myself a 30-year man.
2:39:44
SPEAKER_28: I've been doing radio for 30 years.
2:39:46
SPEAKER_28: So um I just just uh real quick.
2:39:49
SPEAKER_28: Um, what are your thoughts about you you've been involved here in Minnesota for so long?
2:39:55
SPEAKER_28: I mean, just whatever your what is sort of your your instinctive reaction to my asking you of you know where Minnesota is right now compared to when you started, you know, working within the state of Minnesota?
2:40:06
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
2:40:06
SPEAKER_01: So the temptation is great for the the grumpy old man to be curmudgeonly and be a grumpy old man and say, well, back in my day it was better.
2:40:13
SPEAKER_01: But I do think that we're on a cusp, and that's the reason why I'm here uh uh with uh to talk with your viewers and your listeners, John, particularly, because I think we have an opportunity.
2:40:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think there has been a culture shift, uh, a lot more inattention over uh the 16 years of DFL leadership and administration in in Minnesota, uh that there's been a cultural shift about uh spending priorities and the way to conduct uh a government that really were an anathema to uh to 20 years ago, as recently as that.
2:40:46
SPEAKER_01: Or as recently as the Wendy Anderson holding up the time uh uh the the fish in the in the Time magazine cover.
2:40:52
SPEAKER_01: We're a long distance from that.
2:40:54
SPEAKER_01: But here's the good news for your listeners and your viewers.
2:40:57
SPEAKER_01: We can get back to that, and I have a prescription uh for just one phone call.
2:41:02
SPEAKER_01: If you're mad about feeding your future and the$8 billion that went out the door, and you find out that after the fact, well, I've got a case of an uh, I think an egregious abuse of uh of ratepayer and taxpayer funds uh that can be stopped with a single phone call uh to either the governor or the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission.
2:41:23
SPEAKER_01: I'd be glad to tell you about that.
2:41:25
SPEAKER_01: But there has been a culture shift, and we're at a cusp, and we can change it.
2:41:29
SPEAKER_28: You know, I and I'll add one more point to that, and then we'll dive into uh your purpose for coming on the show this morning.
2:41:35
SPEAKER_28: And again, thank you uh so much, Eric Lippman, Chief Advocacy Officer at Utility Reform Now, and that is I didn't get a chance to talk about this with Ryan Wilson when he was on with us last hour, but um I've been encouraged by, you know, having been here for for for 10 years, uh watching the shift myself just over that course of a period of time.
2:41:55
SPEAKER_28: There's been a wholesale shift in my opinion recently because we've moved from the the anger and the frustration and people leaving Minnesota, and now the conversation is shifting.
2:42:06
SPEAKER_28: People are still frustrated, they want to see change, but they're also identifying the reasons why we want to save the state.
2:42:11
SPEAKER_28: They're they're they're recommitting their efforts to and pointing out to these are the things that make Minnesota great and why we need to do everything we can to preserve it.
2:42:21
SPEAKER_28: And from my perspective, uh Eric, that was non-existent up until about, you know, six to eight months ago.
2:42:27
SPEAKER_28: It was just negativity.
2:42:28
SPEAKER_28: I'm getting out, I'm leaving.
2:42:30
SPEAKER_28: It could be a part of the fact that we're in an election cycle, but even past election cycles, I did not see this level of attention to pointing to the positive aspects of Minnesota and what we need to change to keep things that way and get things uh better once uh once again.
2:42:44
SPEAKER_28: Are you seeing something something sounds like you're seeing something similar?
2:42:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh exactly similar to what you're describing.
2:42:49
SPEAKER_01: And indeed, the reason why I I went from one side of the bench to the other side of the bench is because, in fact, Minnesota uh has uh a set of due process guarantees in our state government, uh a statute uh that I was working under for those 19 years, the Minnesota Administrative Procedures Act.
2:43:07
SPEAKER_01: I think it's poetry in the statute.
2:43:09
SPEAKER_01: It is a fabulous uh a set of guarantees uh akin to the Bill of Rights uh that uh that preserve uh a style and a kind and an efficacy in government, uh in state government, really that is uh not only a model to the other states in the union, but has given us the kind of uh of state government, at least uh uh back in the day, that we could genuinely be proud of, and that would be in the Wendy Anderson uh uh example uh a uh you know, a leadership to the nation.
2:43:39
SPEAKER_01: In fact, Wendy Anderson was the governor that brought us the Minnesota Administrative Procedures Act 50 years ago.
2:43:45
SPEAKER_01: It's it's because of those values and the transparency and the efficacy that was built into a Lake Wobagon style of state government.
2:43:53
SPEAKER_01: We were better than average and and and uh justifiably proud of what we could do, uh, but we're losing that.
2:44:00
SPEAKER_01: And the the I think the role for people like me who understand the complexity of the system is to break it down into simple components and to allow ordinary citizens to reclaim their government.
2:44:12
SPEAKER_01: That's the reason why I'm here.
2:44:14
SPEAKER_28: One of the uh, and I can tell you firsthand that one of the biggest pet peeves uh of this show, and I think it's for most people paying attention, is uh obviously the misspending of taxpayer dollars, but coupled with that is when we have individuals involved in these government programs that end up taking these trips and going places, that the rest of us taxpayers scratch our head and go, Why are you going there?
2:44:36
SPEAKER_28: In this case, commissioner when you're you know part of the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission, why do you need to be traveling to the to the Caribbean?
2:44:43
SPEAKER_28: So talk a little bit about the reason why you're here and why that sign is behind you and what people can do about it.
2:44:49
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
2:44:50
SPEAKER_01: So uh Minnesota, uh quite rightfully so, uh, is part of a national group, the National Association of Regulated Utility Commissioners.
2:44:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh the people who do who set utility rates and set utility policy in the 50 states of the Union have a group.
2:45:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's good for them to uh uh to train new people coming into the field.
2:45:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm in fact a 2006 graduate of one of their uh their their schools.
2:45:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's a fabulous opportunity to uh to do training.
2:45:18
SPEAKER_01: But we don't need, we don't need to send our public officials uh at ratepayer expense, the expense of poor people, to the Caribbean.
2:45:27
SPEAKER_01: And worse yet, to a Caribbean casino, the Sheraton uh Casino and Resort in San Juan, Puerto Rico, the weekend after election day.
2:45:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh steps from Condado Beach, one of the very finest beaches in all of the Americas, and a short water taxi ride to the largest, indeed the largest, rum distillery on planet Earth, producing 100,000 liters of premium American rum each and every day.
2:45:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm of course talking about Casa Bacardi.
2:46:01
SPEAKER_01: This is a wildly, uh, astonishingly inappropriate use of ratepayer funds.
2:46:08
SPEAKER_01: We can stop it.
2:46:09
SPEAKER_01: You can stop it with a single phone call.
2:46:11
SPEAKER_01: And that's the question.
2:46:12
SPEAKER_01: It's one thing, I think, for conservatives and for decent people to uh to be upset about feeding our future after the fact.
2:46:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:46:20
SPEAKER_01: Now we know before the money is being spent.
2:46:23
SPEAKER_01: If you don't want your commissioners uh going to a casino with your money, it's a phone call and you can stop it.
2:46:31
SPEAKER_01: And and it's the easiest kind of activism uh that conservatives to do.
2:46:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't want people to have occasion to move out of the state.
2:46:39
SPEAKER_01: We can keep, you know, Minnesotans, Minnesotans.
2:46:41
SPEAKER_01: There's a great, you know, lots of reasons to live here.
2:46:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but we need to be able to pick up the phone.
2:46:47
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's a it it's an important call to conservatives.
2:46:50
SPEAKER_01: If you're not willing to pick up the phone to stop this kind of abuse, well, then you can't complain later when$8 billion goes out the door.
2:46:58
SPEAKER_28: It seems like a pretty I mean, as you were describing it, I'm like, I want to go, I want to go on that trip.
2:47:03
SPEAKER_28: But it's also, you know, but but again, that would be my own money paying for it.
2:47:07
SPEAKER_28: I certainly don't want to pay for other individuals to do it.
2:47:09
SPEAKER_28: Nevertheless, under the guise of being under the mu the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission, do we know what their excuse is?
2:47:16
SPEAKER_28: I mean, what is their justification for this?
2:47:19
SPEAKER_28: That they earned this, that they earned this trip, uh, Eric Lippmann?
2:47:22
SPEAKER_28: What are they?
2:47:22
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
2:47:23
SPEAKER_01: I I think if you ask them, and indeed uh uh submitted as part of uh the press release, I did a data practices request uh to ask for the the government records in this.
2:47:32
SPEAKER_01: That's how I know in detail what they're planning and what they're spending and what they have spent uh over the last 13 months.
2:47:39
SPEAKER_01: Their uh their rationale for uh going to last year's conference in Seattle and all five commissioners at an expense of almost$15,000 uh went last year uh uh to this uh uh to this same uh uh group's event.
2:47:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh the rationale was that they needed to exchange information.
2:48:00
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think post-COVID, uh, we know that you can do a lot of meetings online.
2:48:05
SPEAKER_01: In fact, uh the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission itself is a leader in WebEx streaming of all of its meetings.
2:48:14
SPEAKER_01: It knows how to connect with people and share information over the interwebs.
2:48:18
SPEAKER_01: This is not rocket science.
2:48:20
SPEAKER_01: But I think that the Minnesota Public Utilities Commissioners, uh, you know, truth be told, enjoy terry cloth robes, uh, enjoy luxury travel, enjoy the shrimp cocktail, enjoy the cocktail bar.
2:48:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and in fact, if you read the Neyruk materials, they don't want you quoting what commissioners will say at happy hour because it's untoward.
2:48:41
SPEAKER_01: So they don't want ratepayers knowing.
2:48:44
SPEAKER_01: They don't want ratepayers going.
2:48:46
SPEAKER_01: They'll charge you$1,000 in order to join them for drinks in San Juan next to Condado Beach.
2:48:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, ratepayers can in fact go if you can fly to the Caribbean and if you can pay$1,000 and promise not to quote them.
2:49:02
SPEAKER_01: So all of this, I think, is is a bad look.
2:49:05
SPEAKER_01: It's not a good use of resources.
2:49:07
SPEAKER_01: In fact, there is an absolutely fabulous course that Nayruk is putting online that very week in performance-based regulation.
2:49:18
SPEAKER_01: So, actually, uh, the kind of regulatory systems where you could get improvement.
2:49:22
SPEAKER_01: Nobody, I would suggest none of the five commissioners were planning on attending that coursework online, but they all were planning on going and enjoying shrimp cocktail and rum drinks in San Juan, unless, of course, you're willing to make a telephone call and stop this.
2:49:40
SPEAKER_01: Because it's going right to your utility bill.
2:49:42
SPEAKER_28: For those that are watching, you can see the uh you can see the number up on the screen.
2:49:45
SPEAKER_28: Uh 651-201300.
2:49:48
SPEAKER_28: That's for the governor.
2:49:49
SPEAKER_28: Uh, the commission itself is 651-296-0406.
2:49:54
SPEAKER_28: Is there a place online where people can also go and get this information?
2:49:58
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
2:49:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, so at our uh website at utilityreformnow.com, we we have all sorts of information about this and other things that the utility uh public utilities commission is uh doing.
2:50:10
SPEAKER_01: Also, if you go to the PUC's own website, min.gov forward slash PUC, uh, the Consumer Affairs Office will take by fax or by email or uh by by letter or by phone call any comment uh that any ratepayer uh on the planet Earth uh you know wants to share with them.
2:50:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh and they're really good about that.
2:50:31
SPEAKER_01: And in fact, uh I you know I think the the Public Utilities Commission, all five members are are committed to uh to being open and accessible about that.
2:50:40
SPEAKER_01: The question is, when when we uh when we raise these important topics, will they be responsive?
2:50:46
SPEAKER_01: That's what we need to test.
2:50:47
SPEAKER_01: That's what we need to change.
2:50:48
SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
2:50:48
SPEAKER_28: What would the process be to stop this type of uh expenditure?
2:50:54
SPEAKER_28: Is it just a uh a matter of you know somebody within the commission or the governor's office coming and saying, hey, don't take this trip, don't spend the money on this?
2:51:02
SPEAKER_28: What what would you like to see happen and how does that play out, Eric?
2:51:05
SPEAKER_01: All of the above.
2:51:06
SPEAKER_01: I think that's exactly it.
2:51:07
SPEAKER_01: We are changing the incentive structure.
2:51:10
SPEAKER_01: And your viewers and listeners can help change the incentive structure and the permission structure.
2:51:16
SPEAKER_01: I really don't think that uh and and again, uh Chairwoman Sieben, the chair of our public public utilities commission, is an officer of the group that approved, that developed and approved the San Juan Conference.
2:51:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how any of the adults in the room who are concerned about the money uh that they're charging the poorest ratepayers in our community, and we can talk about how they're charged.
2:51:40
SPEAKER_01: It's awful, it's a scandal.
2:51:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but how you could take uh an expense like this and charge them, and uh it it suggests a level of cluelessness and inattentiveness uh that we really need to address.
2:51:52
SPEAKER_01: We need to change the uh uh the incentive structure uh by calling attention to this kind of abuse and saying, no, no, no, not on our watch.
2:52:01
SPEAKER_01: We want something different and better for the public servants.
2:52:04
SPEAKER_01: We pay them$140,000, uh$74,000 plus salary and fringe uh each and every year.
2:52:12
SPEAKER_01: So that's about a million dollars in salary and benefit expense for these five folks.
2:52:16
SPEAKER_01: We can expect, I think, a higher level uh of attentiveness and uh uh and care for ratepayers uh than uh than we're getting.
2:52:24
SPEAKER_01: If I could just make one other point.
2:52:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go right ahead.
2:52:26
SPEAKER_01: How we how we charge regulatory expenses, the expenses of the commission, is on a per therm uh for natural gas or per kilowatt for every kilowatt that you use when you turn on the light at your house.
2:52:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh uh a share of that is the government expenses uh for regulating utilities, including uh their obscene amounts of travel.
2:52:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh, in the last 13 months, uh so say their records, it's nearly$80,000 in out-of-state travel, not in-state travel.
2:52:56
SPEAKER_01: These are two other locations, uh, you know, and and conferences that they're going for an 80-person uh agency.
2:53:03
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's about a thousand person a thousand dollars per state employee.
2:53:08
SPEAKER_01: Most of that is spent by the five commissioners at the top, about fifty thousand dollars over a 13-month period.
2:53:14
SPEAKER_01: It's an obscene amount of travel.
2:53:16
SPEAKER_01: I uh twice in my state career uh was uh part of the management of an 80-person agency.
2:53:23
SPEAKER_01: We would never think of spending these kinds of sums uh on out of state travel.
2:53:29
SPEAKER_01: Chairwoman Sieben had seven trips in a 13-month period.
2:53:33
SPEAKER_01: That's every other month going to other places not related to Minnesota uh utility regulation, okay, uh, to talk with folks uh other folks about how to do uh the job here.
2:53:46
SPEAKER_01: The job is in St.
2:53:47
SPEAKER_01: Paul.
2:53:48
SPEAKER_01: One phone call to the governor's office by your listeners will get uh the commissioners to focus on the work here and to reduce the cost of the work here.
2:53:58
SPEAKER_28: I have to imagine uh this is a systemic issue.
2:54:02
SPEAKER_28: And we've talked about issues like this of travel uh in other government departments.
2:54:06
SPEAKER_28: And so while we're focused on the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission, um uh again talking with Eric Lippmann, the chief advocacy officer at utility reform now, um, but I already see you shaking your head.
2:54:18
SPEAKER_28: This is this is a systemic issue across all of across all these these different government entities, right?
2:54:23
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
2:54:24
SPEAKER_01: And uh I again um I'm telling this story because I think not only does the Public Utilities Commission, like every human on planet Earth, we we operate and we organize information based upon the story.
2:54:35
SPEAKER_01: The problems are cultural.
2:54:37
SPEAKER_01: The idea that uh that these folks, including Minnesotans, planned this conference, you know, and and are set absolutely as day follows night to charge us, uh to charge poor ratepayers uh uh these sums.
2:54:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh again, uh the poor tend to pay more because they live in drafty houses.
2:54:58
SPEAKER_01: They're consuming more energy.
2:55:00
SPEAKER_01: They don't tend to live in energy efficient homes.
2:55:03
SPEAKER_01: And so, in the most regressive tax possible, uh the progressives on the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission are going to charge terry cloth robes and shrimp cocktail in a casino in the Caribbean, next to a rum distillery, to the poorest of Minnesotans.
2:55:18
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think by working on this issue, it will have downstream effects for everything else.
2:55:23
SPEAKER_01: You become more sensitive to uh uh to the budget operations, to following the rule of law in your proceedings.
2:55:31
SPEAKER_01: There are all sorts of things that we're working on, but this I think is uh isn't an example that proves uh what we need to do.
2:55:39
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, we've seen a lot of that as of late.
2:55:40
SPEAKER_28: When we go back to what we're talking about the uh the stunt regarding the the voter, uh the voter vouching.
2:55:45
SPEAKER_28: Um again, talking with Eric Lippmann, a chief advocacy officer at Utility Reform Now, I have a question that rolled in for you.
2:55:51
SPEAKER_28: I want to ask you in just uh just a moment.
2:55:53
SPEAKER_28: Talk about the organization, talk about utility reform now, and um I'm I'm sure you're working on other issues as well, and talk a little bit about About what you guys do.
2:56:01
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
2:56:02
SPEAKER_01: And so I am the frontman of uh of genuine uh ratepayers.
2:56:07
SPEAKER_01: Most of them tend to be uh state employees and uh folks who are in the industry who don't want to be out, you know, who have uh unorthodox or heterodox uh opinions uh about rate regulation.
2:56:22
SPEAKER_01: This is a very complicated uh uh area of the law about how we set utility rates and how utilities operate.
2:56:29
SPEAKER_01: It's very complicated stuff.
2:56:31
SPEAKER_01: Um and so uh that's how the grift works, which is they hide behind complexity uh because the utility operations are not very transparent and not transparent uh to ordinary voters and people are busy, ordinary ratepayers.
2:56:46
SPEAKER_01: We're not really thinking about it.
2:56:47
SPEAKER_28: I mean it's it's one of those things that's just kind of there.
2:56:49
SPEAKER_28: We just pay the fees and we just kind of move on, move on with life.
2:56:52
SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell, which is why I feel a special calling, because I'm specially trained.
2:56:57
SPEAKER_01: Not only do I have 19 years of experience of doing complicated utility, you know, rate making matters and other regulatory matters, um, you know, I have a law degree.
2:57:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm also specially trained because I I have uh certification from uh Michigan State University, from the Institute for Public Utilities in advanced regulatory studies.
2:57:17
SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm the citizen ninja, the insider.
2:57:21
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm the turncoat who is who is talking about uh uh how the system really works.
2:57:26
SPEAKER_01: But my job, I think, and my calling is to make the complicated simple so that ordinary people, particularly poor people, aren't ripped off.
2:57:36
SPEAKER_01: That's the idea.
2:57:37
SPEAKER_28: How did you land at this issue?
2:57:39
SPEAKER_28: How did you come about uh this in terms of your your university background?
2:57:43
SPEAKER_28: How did you land on public utility?
2:57:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, I I as I explained uh in in another podcast for the center, uh the the one that uh uh that Grace and Catherine do, uh, you know, since uh you know I've been able to uh get myself places, I've been going to a government office for work.
2:58:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm I I'm a G-man, okay?
2:58:02
SPEAKER_01: But I I I'm a G-man.
2:58:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe I'm the sleeper cell uh in state government for so long.
2:58:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh we're trying to improve it because uh we're answering, we're we're answering Thomas Jefferson's question.
2:58:14
SPEAKER_01: In in a famous set of letters uh to a friend of him, he worried about whether people would have the virtue for self-government.
2:58:22
SPEAKER_01: Because all of human history really is a condensation towards or or or direction, moving towards greater authoritarianism.
2:58:30
SPEAKER_01: The American Revolution was revolutionary because it was ordinary citizens saying, no, no, we can govern ourselves.
2:58:35
SPEAKER_01: Now, again, every now and again it's going to require citizens to show up.
2:58:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm hoping that they'll go to their phones, make a single phone call, the easiest activism that you can, to stop abusive spending.
2:58:47
SPEAKER_01: And from that, I think we can build a different kind of culture that's more transparent and more service-oriented, particularly for the poor.
2:58:56
SPEAKER_28: The numbers again for the governor's office, 651-201-3400, and the commission itself, 651-296-0406.
2:59:04
SPEAKER_28: Uh, Curtis left a question.
2:59:06
SPEAKER_28: He says, These public utility commissioners, what kind of pensions are they allowed to have or collect?
2:59:11
SPEAKER_28: And can they collect multiple based off of multiple uh uh positions?
2:59:15
SPEAKER_28: Do you uh do you do you know the answer to that?
2:59:17
SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, um I uh uh re uh Commissioner Tuma, I sat two seats from on the House floor.
2:59:23
SPEAKER_01: We sat together when I was uh a member of the House of Representatives.
2:59:26
SPEAKER_01: He's now on the Public Utilities Commission.
2:59:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh similarly, also in the Washington County delegation was Katie Seabin, now the chair.
2:59:33
SPEAKER_01: She was a House member when I was a House member and uh and and then later a senator.
2:59:38
SPEAKER_01: So uh I'm sure there are legislative pensions, you know, for both of those uh members, and that additional contributions will be made each and every month uh to uh to the uh the state board of investment on behalf of them.
2:59:52
SPEAKER_01: And actually, that's an important story too for Curtis, if I can just pivot a second from his question.
2:59:59
SPEAKER_01: Go right ahead.
3:00:00
SPEAKER_01: If you think about this, I I I I've told the story before.
3:00:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm a state pensioner.
3:00:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, I I retired in December from after 30 years of state service.
3:00:08
SPEAKER_01: So I uh I get a state pension, much like these other folks.
3:00:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh and that's how I'm able to finance this citizen advocacy, because you know, I've got a state pension.
3:00:18
SPEAKER_01: This is great.
3:00:18
SPEAKER_01: That's a good use, I think, uh uh of a state pension, one that I hope Curtis will like.
3:00:23
SPEAKER_01: The other piece about it is that the state board of investment has a similar size and a similar budget to the Public Utilities Commission.
3:00:32
SPEAKER_01: About 80 employees or so.
3:00:33
SPEAKER_01: It's 75 at the State Board of Investment, about$19 million worth of budget,$19 million worth of budget.
3:00:39
SPEAKER_01: They're pretty similar size organization.
3:00:41
SPEAKER_01: However, the regulatory reach of the State Board of Investment, the people who do the investment for the pension funds, is uh 20 times that of the Public Utilities Commission because they don't use lawyers.
3:00:55
SPEAKER_01: They invest their funds based upon market metrics.
3:00:59
SPEAKER_01: They use the Wall Street Journal or things that we know about the financial markets in order to uh to get good performance out of the pensions.
3:01:07
SPEAKER_01: The Public Utilities Commission wastes all sorts of money.
3:01:10
SPEAKER_01: Three and a half million dollars to decide a single rate case.
3:01:14
SPEAKER_01: The XL rate case, they wanted to charge us three and a half million dollars to decide whether a single table of 48 numbers was reasonable.
3:01:22
SPEAKER_01: This is an obscene waste of money, uh, but really different models uh in state government comparable.
3:01:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh one is highly effective, the pension folks, because they use market metrics and familiar financial tools, and the other folks use lawyers and litigation and red tape, and it's wildly inefficient and expensive.
3:01:45
SPEAKER_01: Those are two different models that I'd I'd love for Curtis uh to pay attention to.
3:01:49
SPEAKER_01: The pensions, he's right to follow the pensions, but where does he follow it?
3:01:52
SPEAKER_01: He should follow it not only into how much uh they're compensated, uh, but also who's doing the kind of state service he would want.
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SPEAKER_28: Utility reform now, an association of Minnesota Utility Ratepayers, calling on the five commissioners of the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission not to charge Minnesota ratepayers for post-election day travel by the commissioners to the Caribbean.
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SPEAKER_28: And it's not just the Caribbean as you uh as you laid out.
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SPEAKER_28: This would be uh this would be a lavish uh vacation for for anybody.
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SPEAKER_28: Uh, you can make the phone call 651-2013400 or 651-296-0406.
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SPEAKER_28: Uh, Erica Lippman, again, where can people go online if they miss those numbers to find out more about this important issue?
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: It's utilityreformnow.com.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh UtilityReformnow.com on the internet.
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SPEAKER_01: And also, uh similarly, Utility Reform Now at Instagram and YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01: We'd love to uh to have you uh look at our content and share our content and give us feedback.
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SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much uh for joining the show this morning.
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SPEAKER_28: Uh, we'll have to have you back in and pick your brain uh even further about this issue and just the state of Minnesota in general.
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SPEAKER_28: But I really enjoyed the conversation this morning.
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SPEAKER_28: Thank you, Eric.
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SPEAKER_28: Thanks so much, John.
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SPEAKER_28: All right, we're getting ready to wrap up the show for a uh Wednesday.
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SPEAKER_28: Tomorrow we'll be talking with Paul Wickstrom.
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SPEAKER_28: He'll be joining us right around uh 7.30.
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SPEAKER_28: Also on tomorrow's show.
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SPEAKER_28: A judge dismisses DOJ lawsuit against Minneapolis schools, but have grave doubts about race-based policy.
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SPEAKER_28: And we'll revisit the story.
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SPEAKER_28: I didn't get a chance to uh get into further detail over of the Minneapolis ordinance ridiculously uh targeting uh velvet rope discrimination.
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SPEAKER_28: Velvet rope discrimination is apparently a thing now at bars, and uh restaurants, and of course, all the news that breaks between now and tomorrow morning.
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3:04:28
SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for spending time with us today.
3:04:30
SPEAKER_28: If you missed any portion of today's uh show and the interviews with Liz Collin, uh Eric Lippman, who uh had just joined us, and of course, Lieutenant Governor candidate with Lisa Damuth, Ryan Wilson.
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SPEAKER_28: Check out the podcast.
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SPEAKER_28: Uh producer Isaac will have that posted uh shortly up on the MixLR app and across all the podcast uh platforms.
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SPEAKER_28: Also, the video rewatch can be seen at Rumble and on Facebook and YouTube uh as well.
3:04:54
SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for hanging out uh today.
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SPEAKER_28: I'm looking forward to talking to you guys tomorrow morning.
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SPEAKER_28: God bless.
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SPEAKER_28: Have yourself a great Wednesday, and I'll talk to you guys then.
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SPEAKER_28: Bye.