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Gut Feelings- The Abdominal Brain With Dr Sabine Hazan, Consultant Gastroenterologist – Part 2 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another UK column interview. My name's
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Speaker 1: Debbie Evans and I'm a trained nurse and this is
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Speaker 1: going to be part two of Gut Feeling, because in
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Speaker 1: part one I was delighted to be joined by our
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Speaker 1: great friend Cheryl Granger, who's an independent pharmaceutical training consultant
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Speaker 1: and Dr Sabine Hassan, consultant gastroentrologist all the way over
0:32
Speaker 1: in the US at United States of America, and she
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Speaker 1: was telling us in part one, save the BIF. And
0:40
Speaker 1: if you don't know what we mean by that, please
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Speaker 1: go back and watch part one of our interview because
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Speaker 1: you will find it fascinating. In this interview, we're going
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Speaker 1: to be concentrating a little bit more about doctor Hassan's
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Speaker 1: journey really during COVID and what alerted her, what gave
1:01
Speaker 1: her red flags, and her journey. So, without further ado,
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Speaker 1: let me first of all say welcome back to Cheryl
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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cheryl.
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Speaker 3: And Sebbi and hello Sevine.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, and let's welcome Sabine on screen. Sabine, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for agreeing to join us again. And
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Speaker 1: as you've said, and as we've said, the gut is
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Speaker 1: a very big organ and needs lots of discussion.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, thank you, thank you for haring me.
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Speaker 1: So I think if you haven't watched part one, please
1:33
Speaker 1: please do, because I think to start off part two,
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Speaker 1: Sabine has been very, very vocal and sacrificed pretty much
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Speaker 1: everything to tell the truth and to speak as she
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Speaker 1: finds and to make sure that her research hasn't been
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Speaker 1: interfered with. And she's spoken at Senate and very very powerful.
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Speaker 1: And we've got a little bit of video just to
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Speaker 1: give you an idea of Dr s Bean Hassan talking
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Speaker 1: to Senate.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this. Pharmaceutical companies are captured by
2:08
Speaker 2: the price of the stock. You know, venture capitalists on
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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies. They owned the cr the clinical research organizations,
2:16
Speaker 2: They on the site, they on the institutional review board,
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Speaker 2: they own the advertising, the marketing. They influenced the through
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Speaker 2: the media. And what we saw this pandemic was the
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Speaker 2: price of the stock mattered more than the price of
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Speaker 2: a life.
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Speaker 1: That is so powerful. And I have to say when
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Speaker 1: when we saw you, or when I watched you say
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Speaker 1: that with venture capitalists, and I immediately thought back to.
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Speaker 1: In the United Kingdom, Dame Kate Bingham ran our COVID
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Speaker 1: vaccination the whole operation basically, and she was picked to
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Speaker 1: do that because she was a venture capitalist. She knew
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Speaker 1: nothing about vaccines, she knew nothing about clinical trials, but
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Speaker 1: she was a venture capitalist. So everything that you said
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Speaker 1: there really rang home with me. But I want to
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Speaker 1: ask you what it meant for you to find an
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Speaker 1: effective therapeutic, because you did. You found an effective therapeutic,
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Speaker 1: a protocol for people that were coming to see you
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Speaker 1: with COVID, and it wasn't well, it was accepted at first,
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Speaker 1: wasn't it? And then it kind of wasn't accepted. Can
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Speaker 1: you explain to us your protocol, how you came about
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Speaker 1: finding it, and you even went to the FDA, you
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Speaker 1: got it all put through and then what happened.
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Speaker 2: The idea of the protocol kind of came from the
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Speaker 2: experience of treating seedif so, Seed, if I'll take you back,
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Speaker 2: is a bacteria that we basically people get from taking antibiotics,
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Speaker 2: and it kills the microbiome and essentially this bacteria just
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Speaker 2: starts taking over the gut and secretes tarcin's. You know,
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Speaker 2: the idea of treating seed diff is really to kill it. First,
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Speaker 2: kill the whole gut, and then the if you don't.
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Speaker 2: You know, what we learned from killing it with antibiotics
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Speaker 2: is that it kills the bacteria, but then it has
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Speaker 2: a chance of coming back. So that's why the idea
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Speaker 2: of implanting new microbes, you know, to help with seed
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Speaker 2: diff was really the answers so with covid because we
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Speaker 2: didn't have access to implantation obviously, but I knew that,
4:31
Speaker 2: you know, covid is a virus that probably is going
4:34
Speaker 2: to be in the stools, and therefore, how do we
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Speaker 2: fight this virus in the stools? How do we get
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Speaker 2: rid of it? And so my idea was we need
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Speaker 2: something that kills the virus, and we need something and
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Speaker 2: that kills it fast, and we need something that increases
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Speaker 2: the diffit of the microbiome. Right, So that was the beginning, right,
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Speaker 2: It was looking at covid in the stools, finding covid
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Speaker 2: in the stools really serendipitously noticing that one patient was
5:04
Speaker 2: on high dosages of vitamin C and his covid disappeared.
5:09
Speaker 2: And then another patient was on high dosages you know,
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Speaker 2: had taken some hydroxychloroquin z pack and his virus disappeared
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Speaker 2: in five to ten days. So really that realization that
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Speaker 2: you have a virus present and then it's no longer
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Speaker 2: there in the tools is really the realization that hey,
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Speaker 2: maybe this is a right protocol. Right, So why hydroxy chloroquin. Well,
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Speaker 2: hydroxychlorquin has a property where it changes the pH of
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Speaker 2: the cell to make it alkaline. So remember the virus
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Speaker 2: sits on the ACE two receptors and then the virus
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Speaker 2: penetrates the cell from the AGE two receptor. The if
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Speaker 2: the milieu is alkaline, then the virus gets destroyed, you know,
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Speaker 2: in the cells. And that's really your first step, right
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Speaker 2: catch as early as possible, give a little bit of
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Speaker 2: hydroxy chloroquin to kind of change the environment in the cells,
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Speaker 2: and then get rid of the virus. That was the
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Speaker 2: beginning thought process. Z PAC was just another you know,
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Speaker 2: added antimicrobial to kill off the membrane of the virus.
6:14
Speaker 2: Zinc was used to basically block the virus from entering
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Speaker 2: the two receptor. Zinc is actually great at blocking, you know,
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Speaker 2: at sitting on the blocking virus penetration. And then vitamin
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Speaker 2: C and vitamin D was used to increase the microbioume
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Speaker 2: the bifoit of bacteria, which in my mind was probably
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Speaker 2: the way to get rid of the cytokines, get rid
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Speaker 2: of the virus, you know, get it out from your stools.
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Speaker 2: What I was noticing with a lot of patients on
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Speaker 2: the front line is, you know a lot of people
6:44
Speaker 2: started feeling a lot better when they started having diarrhea.
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Speaker 2: And you've probably had that common cold and then all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden you have diarrhea and you're like, wow,
6:52
Speaker 2: I feel better, I'm breathing, I'm not coughing anymore. So really,
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Speaker 2: that evacuation, you know, you know, gave me an idea
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Speaker 2: that possibly the bifolo bacteria helped in that in taking
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Speaker 2: that virus and just swallowing it up. You know, bifito
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Speaker 2: bacteria is you know, this bacteria is much bigger than
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Speaker 2: a virus. It's twenty times bigger than a virus, right,
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Speaker 2: So viruses are very tiny. So if you increase those microbes,
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Speaker 2: and you know, you have to think of your colon
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Speaker 2: as a property, and you know, like an apartment, and
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Speaker 2: if you put in you know a lot of people
7:29
Speaker 2: in an apartment, that apartment is stuck, right, So It's like,
7:34
Speaker 2: think about this colon and you're sticking some bacteria and
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Speaker 2: there you're filling the space with the bacteria. There's no
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Speaker 2: way for viruses to penetrate if you've got solid microbes
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Speaker 2: that are you know, your balm movement or your poop right.
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Speaker 2: So really that was kind of you know, the idea
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Speaker 2: for me, how do I improve the microbiome without necessarily doing
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Speaker 2: a fecal transplant? How do I I refloralized the gut
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Speaker 2: in a way term that I coined, the refloralization process
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Speaker 2: is really reintroducing microbes into the gut that have been
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Speaker 2: lost without needing fecal transplant. So that was how the
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Speaker 2: concept kind of came on with hydroxy. What I noticed
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Speaker 2: with hydroxy z pack is that it does killed. It
8:21
Speaker 2: did kill the biffito bacteria and the microbiome. So it
8:25
Speaker 2: was not a really great solution for the young people
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Speaker 2: and the healthy people because it took a long time
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Speaker 2: to regenerate that bifit of bacteria. So the Ivermectin doxie
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Speaker 2: cycling zinc protocol, you know, which was a protocol that
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Speaker 2: doctor Barotti, my partner in this, started thinking about. You know,
8:43
Speaker 2: when you said to me I remected.
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Speaker 3: I didn't.
8:45
Speaker 2: I wasn't really you know, I knew I've remected with scabies.
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Speaker 2: I knew I've remected. You know, we were talking about
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Speaker 2: ive remected in April of twenty twenty. When we were
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Speaker 2: talking about it, I was already writing the protocol with
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Speaker 2: hydroxy z pack vitamin cd ins and then you know,
9:02
Speaker 2: we kept saying, no, I'm telling you, I remactin. Look
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Speaker 2: at the studies from this, look at the study from that,
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Speaker 2: and then I looked at iromactin and I noticed that
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Speaker 2: it was it comes from a bacteria that is similar
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Speaker 2: to bi for a bacteria. Sorry, coffee does this to me?
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Speaker 2: So when this happened, I basically said, you know, there's
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Speaker 2: something to iybromactin, and then the idea of ibromactin doxy
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Speaker 2: zinc came on later.
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Speaker 4: So just for everybody in the UK, the z is
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Speaker 4: a is a thigh print. So that is the antibiotic
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Speaker 4: that you were using, which I think phiz in make
9:45
Speaker 4: and Phis are now reducing the availability of that if
9:49
Speaker 4: I'm right, because I think they've got a new antibiotic
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Speaker 4: coming out. But you took out a patment on your
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Speaker 4: protocol didn't you, So do you want to tell us
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Speaker 4: a bit about why that was done and what you
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Speaker 4: did with it.
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Speaker 2: I took out a patent with it because I felt, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm doing the research, and I'm submitting the protocol to
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Speaker 2: the FDA, and I want to develop a product out
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Speaker 2: of it, kind of like you know products we've developed
10:13
Speaker 2: people have developed in the past for h pylori. So
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Speaker 2: I thought it was a combination treatment that would be
10:19
Speaker 2: a good idea. I spent a lot of money on
10:22
Speaker 2: that patent. I also did it because if I was
10:25
Speaker 2: going to do the research, you know, as a woman,
10:28
Speaker 2: and you can all appreciate this, you know, our research
10:32
Speaker 2: doesn't really you know, see the light of day. We
10:35
Speaker 2: really have to push as women to be heard in science.
10:40
Speaker 2: Especially you know, there's always someone copying the research and
10:45
Speaker 2: then making a name for themselves with your research. So
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Speaker 2: I didn't want that to happen. I kind of wanted
10:51
Speaker 2: to be to showcase that there was a woman behind
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Speaker 2: all this. When I saw that the that the hydroxychloroquin
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Speaker 2: as from my sin ZENC, vitamin C D and zinc
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Speaker 2: was not that great for the young people, I didn't
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Speaker 2: feel it was a great product. To kind of monetize
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Speaker 2: on or to even like bring the market. Really so
11:15
Speaker 2: in a way, you know, I spent a lot of
11:18
Speaker 2: money in a patent. I was offered a lot of
11:20
Speaker 2: money for this patent, by the way, and I refused
11:23
Speaker 2: it because I said, I want to see the data.
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Speaker 2: I want to see that it's working. What I came
11:27
Speaker 2: to discover during the pandemic was that it was not
11:30
Speaker 2: really about a product. It was about the art of medicine.
11:35
Speaker 2: It was really about looking at your patient and saying, Okay, well,
11:38
Speaker 2: this guy probably has lots of bifidobacteria, so I'm going
11:42
Speaker 2: to give him quick and he's desaturating, losing his oxygen.
11:46
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go quickly with hydroxy and I'm
11:49
Speaker 2: going to add ivermectin to increase the saturation because I
11:52
Speaker 2: had noticed that ibermacdin increased saturation and some other patients.
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Speaker 2: So you kind of like use everything you've got right
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Speaker 2: when you're on the front line, you see the patient
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Speaker 2: crashing and you go, Okay, I'm gonna hit it with hydrox.
12:06
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it some zepack. As a throughmid said,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give some ivermectin, you know, with a fatty meal.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give vitamin C, I'm gonna give vitamin D,
12:14
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give zinc and then you watch your patient
12:18
Speaker 2: turn around. So it really was the art of medicine
12:23
Speaker 2: at that point, I didn't, you know, I felt like,
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Speaker 2: this is no and here's the problem. It was no
12:28
Speaker 2: longer about a patent or a product. Research was interfered with.
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Speaker 2: My voice was no longer. I was no longer allowed
12:36
Speaker 2: to do a clinical trial the right way. I was
12:38
Speaker 2: no longer allowed to advertise on Facebook or Instagram. You know.
12:44
Speaker 2: So when that happens, you know there's something else going on.
12:48
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna spend money developing a product when
12:52
Speaker 2: this is not about the product. This is not about science,
12:54
Speaker 2: This is no longer about research, right, this is about corruption.
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Speaker 2: Somebody is playing you know the way of this. You
13:03
Speaker 2: know of this pandemic. Somebody is leading this pandemic. And
13:07
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily about the virus, and it's not necessarily
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Speaker 2: about the treatment or the vaccine. It's somebody is directing
13:15
Speaker 2: the narrative at in their way that they want to
13:19
Speaker 2: direct it. Okay, So I personally think and you can
13:24
Speaker 2: see the narrative you know, changing a little bit. You know,
13:27
Speaker 2: when they started talking about the vaccine injured, Now you
13:31
Speaker 2: start going, well, are they trying to use the vaccination
13:34
Speaker 2: to create chaos again, to make people panic, to blame
13:39
Speaker 2: you know, a political candidate, you know, I mean you
13:42
Speaker 2: could see the narrative. This is all this whole pandemic,
13:48
Speaker 2: this whole all this about viruses and everything. You know,
13:52
Speaker 2: once you put healthcare in the limelight and it becomes
13:57
Speaker 2: about the price of a stock, then you've lost healthcare.
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Speaker 2: That's it. And here's the problem. Now, the venture capitalists
14:04
Speaker 2: are my patients. So good luck finding good poop for
14:07
Speaker 2: them to fix them. Right. So, and we've stopped science
14:11
Speaker 2: and we've stopped research, So where what are we going
14:14
Speaker 2: to do? You know, Yes, there's a lot of hypothesis
14:17
Speaker 2: out there. You know, I have a lot of cancer
14:19
Speaker 2: patients right now that were venture capitalists, And there's a
14:22
Speaker 2: lot of hypothesis out there that are saying, well, you know,
14:26
Speaker 2: fed bendisol and i've remectin and all these drugs.
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Speaker 4: Right.
14:29
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, there's no data. Nobody's writing the papers,
14:32
Speaker 2: nobody's doing the research. Who's going to help them? Everybody
14:36
Speaker 2: is censored. You know, the one thing about the pandemic
14:40
Speaker 2: is there were a few doctors that stepped up and
14:43
Speaker 2: were courageous enough and brave enough to treat What's going
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Speaker 2: to happen the next pandemic. You think those people are
14:49
Speaker 2: going to line up? No way, no way. I know myself.
14:54
Speaker 2: I'm my arc is built, Noah's arc. That's it me
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Speaker 2: with my microbes. You know, we're at a time in humanity.
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Speaker 2: If we don't change what is going on right now,
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Speaker 2: and we don't stop the interference of research and the
15:11
Speaker 2: interference of medicine, we have lost humanity. You know, biffit
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Speaker 2: of bacteria. In the last thousand stool samples that I've analyzed,
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Speaker 2: less than five percent have biffit of bacteria in their gut. Now,
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Speaker 2: tell me, how does a mom who is breastfeeding her
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Speaker 2: baby or supposed to pass her bifit of bacteria to
15:32
Speaker 2: her newborn. How is she supposed to do that when
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Speaker 2: she's lost her own bifit of bacteria? And is that
15:38
Speaker 2: the reason that we have an increased rate of autism
15:41
Speaker 2: in the world because of the fact that we were
15:44
Speaker 2: killing the bifito bacteria. So yes, my platform, there's my
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Speaker 2: T shirt. Save the biff you know, it's it's all
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Speaker 2: about that. This was the big revelation in this pandemic.
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Speaker 2: We are killing the planet, We are killing humanity, we
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Speaker 2: are killing the microbiome. Ask why we have more Alzheimer's,
16:04
Speaker 2: more cancer, more disease. You're killing the microbiome. You're killing
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Speaker 2: our food supply, You're killing our animals. Our air is
16:12
Speaker 2: not pure, our foods are full of pesticides. Our stress
16:16
Speaker 2: level is through the roof. We are all addicted on
16:20
Speaker 2: these little you know devices that has our brain captured,
16:27
Speaker 2: and we're not living. We're not living. What's the point
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Speaker 2: of being a human If your own interaction is with
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Speaker 2: a little device instead of going outside and playing in
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Speaker 2: the garden and meeting people and having you know, a
16:41
Speaker 2: life and interaction, there's no humanity. You're just a bunch
16:44
Speaker 2: of robots. And by the way, robots are coming down,
16:48
Speaker 2: you know, because humanity let it. We need to step
16:52
Speaker 2: it up as humans and say we demand more from
16:55
Speaker 2: our government. That's it. I'm very passionate about this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think very well said, and I want to
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Speaker 1: ask you too, because you know, we talked in Part
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Speaker 1: one a lot about biffido bacteria and we're coming back
17:10
Speaker 1: again to Biffodo bacteria now, and you know, I want
17:15
Speaker 1: to ask you the importance or what you've seen actually
17:18
Speaker 1: with maybe couples or people that you know that some
17:22
Speaker 1: have got more Biffodo bacteria than others. Do you think
17:25
Speaker 1: it's about kids playing in the dirt and climbing trees
17:29
Speaker 1: and you know, being out in a natural environment. Do
17:33
Speaker 1: you think we've become too clean a society where everybody's
17:37
Speaker 1: using hand sanitizer and not allowing the kids to go
17:41
Speaker 1: out and get dirty. Do you think that's having an
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Speaker 1: effect on Biffodo bacteria.
17:47
Speaker 2: I think we've taken the sterility path a little bit
17:52
Speaker 2: too far. I think we've oversterilized. I think we're overdoing it.
17:57
Speaker 2: You know, think about during the pandemic, you're washing your
18:00
Speaker 2: hands with alcohol constantly. What is that doing. Is that
18:04
Speaker 2: alcohol penetrating your skin? Is it going to the blood vessels?
18:07
Speaker 2: Is it going to your colon? Is destroying your gut?
18:10
Speaker 2: You know, we've become an oversterilized population. And I think
18:14
Speaker 2: because of that, yes, we are killing microbes. If you
18:16
Speaker 2: look at the population of the Amazon jungle versus the
18:20
Speaker 2: population of America, they have a lot of phylum of
18:25
Speaker 2: microbes that exist in them in their guts. You know,
18:30
Speaker 2: they have phylums that we've never even seen in America, right,
18:34
Speaker 2: we barely have three or four in our guts. So
18:37
Speaker 2: what happened? What happened to the other eight that have disappeared?
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Speaker 2: Even myself? You know, I was raised in Morocco. You know,
18:44
Speaker 2: I'm sure when I came, when I and I went
18:47
Speaker 2: from Morocco to Canada, Canada to America, I'm sure I've
18:50
Speaker 2: diluted my microbiome because I went back to visit Morocco.
18:54
Speaker 2: I couldn't eat some of the foods over there without
18:57
Speaker 2: having you know, a bacteria. You know, I ended up
19:00
Speaker 2: getting ecoli in Morocco. I'm sure when I was young,
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Speaker 2: I survived that ecoli because I lived in the environment.
19:07
Speaker 2: I was part of that environment. But then I come
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Speaker 2: here and I'm completely diluted. You know, I've been given
19:14
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure, you know, a lot of antibiotics
19:16
Speaker 2: in my life. I've been given you know, a lot
19:18
Speaker 2: of vaccinations through training, et cetera. I'm sure through my
19:23
Speaker 2: life that has, you know, diluted my microbiome to where
19:28
Speaker 2: it's at now. Now. Luckily it's not diluted too much,
19:33
Speaker 2: but it is still diluted to the point that I,
19:35
Speaker 2: you know, had you know, a bacteria in Morocco, that
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Speaker 2: I probably would have survived as a kid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so very interesting.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I would like to go into anti MICROBA
19:47
Speaker 4: resistance in the moment. I'm sure DEBI will be thinking
19:50
Speaker 4: that's where she wants to go to. But just to
19:53
Speaker 4: talk about children very quickly first. I mean, I think
19:56
Speaker 4: you've said in your book that the time they get
19:59
Speaker 4: to the see going back when they were being treated
20:02
Speaker 4: with mums that haven't been vaccinated in the rest, that
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Speaker 4: they took to two and a half years to actually
20:09
Speaker 4: have a biome that was then the equivalent of an adult.
20:13
Speaker 4: And we know from all the vaccines that they're given
20:16
Speaker 4: in the first few months of life that that's a
20:20
Speaker 4: critical point for the development of the brain and your immunity.
20:24
Speaker 4: And then all these vaccines are going in as well.
20:26
Speaker 4: So it's you know, what hope do we have with
20:29
Speaker 4: our children and what we're doing to their immunity.
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Speaker 3: Nobody talks about naturally immunity anymore.
20:34
Speaker 2: Posing a kid to a piece of a microbe that
20:37
Speaker 2: resembles the microbe is also triggering an immune response. Right,
20:41
Speaker 2: that's the whole point of the vaccine to begin with. Right.
20:45
Speaker 2: The problem is, again, we've gone too far, right, and
20:51
Speaker 2: we're doing it too many So that's the big problem.
20:55
Speaker 2: The big problem is where do you stop. Where do
20:58
Speaker 2: you draw the line? Where do you say, you know what,
21:01
Speaker 2: maybe I don't need to give a hepatitis be shot
21:03
Speaker 2: in a newborn. Maybe I should wait till the kid
21:06
Speaker 2: is like sexually active, you know, or at least having
21:10
Speaker 2: hormones or periods, you know what I mean. So I
21:13
Speaker 2: think we've gone too far. I think we're overdoing it.
21:18
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at you know, first of all, viruses,
21:21
Speaker 2: in my opinion, should not have a vaccine. Okay, this
21:25
Speaker 2: is just my opinion, take it or leave it. But
21:28
Speaker 2: a virus that mutates, and that's what happened with COVID.
21:31
Speaker 2: The virus is mutating, you know, every three months or
21:34
Speaker 2: every month probably it's a new strain. We've been following
21:37
Speaker 2: the strains of these viruses since the beginning of the pandemic.
21:40
Speaker 2: And I can tell you it's not about the strain
21:43
Speaker 2: that matters. It's about what's in your gut that matters.
21:46
Speaker 2: That paper is coming out Like we've been analyzing every
21:50
Speaker 2: single strain from delta to pangle into Everyone's to everyone,
21:56
Speaker 2: and basically what we notice it's not about the strain.
21:59
Speaker 2: The strain that a matter. It's about what's in your
22:02
Speaker 2: gut to survive COVID. And here's the other thing. The
22:06
Speaker 2: strain changes. You know, it's the same in one family
22:12
Speaker 2: and then it's different than another family down the street.
22:15
Speaker 2: So if a strain changes, if a mutator, if there's
22:19
Speaker 2: a mutation and the spike protein, how are you going
22:22
Speaker 2: to keep catching? And I've said this before, a vaccine
22:26
Speaker 2: is basically, to put it in Layman's term, is a sequence.
22:31
Speaker 2: ABC needs to match ABC of the bug. Okay, So
22:37
Speaker 2: if ABC matches ABC, then you're fine. You're you've got
22:41
Speaker 2: some immunity because it recognizes it's a piece of the
22:44
Speaker 2: bug that it's right recognizing. Okay, when ABC changes to
22:48
Speaker 2: AFG and you're still and when the virus or changes
22:53
Speaker 2: to AFG and you're still giving ABC, it's not gonna
22:57
Speaker 2: work no matter how you you know do it so
23:00
Speaker 2: and you're never going to catch up on the new strains.
23:03
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So you should not be vaccinating against viruses.
23:08
Speaker 2: You should be building the immunity. You should be building
23:11
Speaker 2: the microbiome, the bacteria. Right, that's the mistake we've made
23:16
Speaker 2: because what happens is we're making these viruses stronger or weaker.
23:22
Speaker 2: And we've seen that with HPV. Right, HPV vaccine came along,
23:28
Speaker 2: but now we still have cervical cancer with different strains
23:32
Speaker 2: of the HPV. Because it's a virus, you can't vaccinate
23:36
Speaker 2: against the virus. Same thing with herpes. We've not been
23:40
Speaker 2: able to vaccinate against herpes. We can't. It's constantly mutating,
23:46
Speaker 2: so and it mutates at different regions. So depending on
23:50
Speaker 2: the region you picked as your vaccine, it's not going
23:53
Speaker 2: to work. And we've seen that with COVID. It didn't
23:55
Speaker 2: work because we still have COVID. The number one reason
24:00
Speaker 2: for a vaccine is to prevent you from having the disease.
24:03
Speaker 2: The vaccine is supposed to protect you, right, think of dicteria,
24:07
Speaker 2: think of small parks. Supposed to protect you. Right when
24:11
Speaker 2: you start developing the bacteria or the virus, then the
24:15
Speaker 2: vaccine didn't work.
24:16
Speaker 4: All the licenses say that they will prevent the infection
24:19
Speaker 4: on all the vaccines for COVID, and they've broken it.
24:23
Speaker 3: It hasn't worked.
24:24
Speaker 2: There were so many lies in this pandemic, so many
24:29
Speaker 2: lies and so many so much corruption to trick the consumer,
24:34
Speaker 2: you know, from hey, eat a French fry and get
24:37
Speaker 2: a vaccine, Eat a donut and get a vaccine. Since
24:40
Speaker 2: when do we encourage people to eat donuts and French fries?
24:44
Speaker 2: I mean, what planet am I living? That healthcare has
24:48
Speaker 2: completely turned around, that we're recommending French fries and donuts.
24:53
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a devious marketing ploy that was
24:59
Speaker 2: basically a way to kind of, like, you know, divide
25:02
Speaker 2: the people that are critical thinkers from those that are not.
25:05
Speaker 1: I want to come in on that as well, because
25:09
Speaker 1: you know, you're absolutely right, why would you offer somebody
25:12
Speaker 1: all this rubbish food? And similarly, here we were being
25:17
Speaker 1: told to well, the population was being told to take
25:21
Speaker 1: a vaccine to protect the NHS, to protect your neighbor,
25:27
Speaker 1: your mum, the person. I mean, since when did anybody
25:31
Speaker 1: take a vaccine to protect somebody else?
25:35
Speaker 2: Right?
25:35
Speaker 1: It's crazy. But one thing that I did want our
25:38
Speaker 1: viewers and listeners to know is that you are a
25:41
Speaker 1: very very experienced doctor, a consultant, and you've got labs.
25:47
Speaker 1: You've been involved for years and years and years with
25:50
Speaker 1: clinical trials, with vaccines. This whole this whole world to
25:54
Speaker 1: you is not strange. It's your world. And yet you've
25:59
Speaker 1: already had well, you've encountered some pushback, haven't you, from
26:04
Speaker 1: the FDA, because you know you've spoken to the FDA.
26:08
Speaker 1: You're well versed in how they work. What's the relationship now?
26:13
Speaker 1: Because you bought out these protocols and they worked, right,
26:16
Speaker 1: they worked, and yet all of a sudden they were
26:20
Speaker 1: withdrawn and we saw, you know, President Trump standing there
26:24
Speaker 1: talking about hydroxy, talking about protocols, and you were the
26:28
Speaker 1: first doctor to bring out these protocols. So what happened
26:33
Speaker 1: with the FDA? Can you explain to us a bit
26:35
Speaker 1: your relationship with the FDA.
26:38
Speaker 2: Well, remember it's all about the price of a stock, right,
26:41
Speaker 2: So if the drug you cannot make more than three
26:45
Speaker 2: hundred or six hundred dollars and you have a chance
26:48
Speaker 2: to make thousand dollars with a new drug like paxlovic,
26:53
Speaker 2: which is a new unknown. Now here's the thing. Most
26:57
Speaker 2: people don't realize that when people, you know, innovate drugs,
27:02
Speaker 2: there are compounds and these drugs that you have no
27:04
Speaker 2: idea what's in the compound, right, So in other words,
27:08
Speaker 2: of biologic, well, how is it made? How do we
27:12
Speaker 2: get to have a biologic? Right? How is it made
27:14
Speaker 2: in the lab? Et cetera. There's a secrecy there that
27:18
Speaker 2: protects the compound so doesn't get recreated, right, and then
27:22
Speaker 2: somebody creates a patent, and then the patent goes in
27:26
Speaker 2: and then essentially the product goes into market. I could
27:30
Speaker 2: have easily called hydroxychlorgran zpac, you know, just Hayes dpack
27:35
Speaker 2: and nobody would have known what's in there. I could
27:38
Speaker 2: have easily called ivermectandoxy cycling zinc zybradocs, and nobody would
27:43
Speaker 2: have even thought about it, and I would have probably
27:47
Speaker 2: gotten investors, and I probably would have had a price
27:50
Speaker 2: of a stock on that product. Right. However, that was
27:54
Speaker 2: not my intent. My intent was to try to save
27:56
Speaker 2: as many lives as possible and also wake up the
27:59
Speaker 2: public to what's going on in my you know, because
28:03
Speaker 2: of my experience, I feel that we have, you know,
28:07
Speaker 2: we've paid attention too much to the price of the stock.
28:11
Speaker 2: I've been doing research for thirty years now, and I've
28:14
Speaker 2: seen amazing products that have never been to that have
28:17
Speaker 2: never gotten to market. And I've seen disaster products that
28:21
Speaker 2: have gone to market. We have a problem right now.
28:25
Speaker 2: We have a problem, you know. And if we don't
28:28
Speaker 2: address this problem, and we don't address doing the research
28:32
Speaker 2: properly and bringing these products, you know, to market, we're
28:36
Speaker 2: not going to advance science and medicine. And unfortunately, it
28:40
Speaker 2: is biased by somebody that is controlling the price of
28:44
Speaker 2: that stock. And so when you look at my products, unfortunately,
28:48
Speaker 2: it was not a product that you could raise a
28:51
Speaker 2: price of a stock on. It was not a product
28:53
Speaker 2: that anybody wanted to invest in except me and doctor
28:57
Speaker 2: Barroti because we felt, well, this is the answer. You know,
29:00
Speaker 2: no one during the pandemic, and I'm going to repeat that,
29:02
Speaker 2: I did the clinical trials and no one died from
29:05
Speaker 2: any of the patients that we enrolled during the pandemic.
29:08
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a problem there now. As far
29:12
Speaker 2: as the FDA, well, the FDA knows. You know, I've
29:15
Speaker 2: done hundreds of clinical trials, not only me, but my sisters.
29:18
Speaker 2: I've done hundreds of clinical trials. My sister, my younger,
29:21
Speaker 2: my second sister is the one that brought I've Remected
29:24
Speaker 2: into the market and Harvoni to the market. You know.
29:26
Speaker 2: I mean, we have storage of data in our storage
29:30
Speaker 2: containers on all these clinical trials we've done over the years,
29:34
Speaker 2: so the FDA can really come all of a sudden,
29:36
Speaker 2: you know, for thirty years, you know, you know, at
29:39
Speaker 2: least in the last fourteen years where I've been investigated,
29:42
Speaker 2: never had a problem with the FDA all of a sudden.
29:46
Speaker 2: I do a clinical trial and I remeact in doxy cycling,
29:48
Speaker 2: and I actually showed it to them because I was
29:51
Speaker 2: so proud during the pandemic to show them the success
29:54
Speaker 2: of this trial. They realized that I didn't submit a
29:57
Speaker 2: form to the FDA on time and to the beyond time,
30:00
Speaker 2: and basically we got dinged of forty three for not
30:03
Speaker 2: submitting a form. How are you thinking of submitting forms
30:07
Speaker 2: when you're treating fifty two patients a day and you're
30:10
Speaker 2: busy on the front line, you know, and have and
30:13
Speaker 2: not sleeping at night because people are desaturating, and there's
30:16
Speaker 2: no money in these clinical trials and you're basically spending
30:19
Speaker 2: the money to do these clinical trials. Every patient cost
30:22
Speaker 2: me thirty five hundred dollars to treat. And then when
30:26
Speaker 2: we saw the corruption, we said, well, you know what,
30:28
Speaker 2: We're done with the trials. So what happened with those
30:31
Speaker 2: trials is it was you know, really frustration, lack of
30:34
Speaker 2: funding to continue them. We did finish the ivermactandoxy cycling Zinc.
30:39
Speaker 2: That data is going to come out after the election
30:42
Speaker 2: because I'm tired. I'm tired of the politics influencing my treatment.
30:48
Speaker 2: I'm tired of the of the bullying. I'm tired of
30:50
Speaker 2: the censorship. I need to protect my microbiome as well.
30:53
Speaker 2: I need to be there for my family. I need
30:55
Speaker 2: to be alive, you know, So guess what they want? This,
30:59
Speaker 2: This is what they get. So when venture capitalists are
31:01
Speaker 2: becoming the patients, good luck. I don't know who you're
31:04
Speaker 2: going to go to. Maybe go to your you know,
31:07
Speaker 2: your pharm and maybe go to Bill Gates. He seems
31:09
Speaker 2: to have all the answers, you know, maybe he'll treat
31:12
Speaker 2: your Alzheimer's or your cancer. Go to your politician, maybe
31:15
Speaker 2: they'll treat you. But you know, I think there's a
31:19
Speaker 2: as much as you can hear this frustration in my voice,
31:22
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of almost like the last one standing
31:25
Speaker 2: in a way, you know, there's a there's thousands of
31:30
Speaker 2: doctors that share my feeling, but don't have the guts
31:35
Speaker 2: or the not guts, but like have a fear of
31:38
Speaker 2: stepping up and saying something. We're seeing some coming out,
31:42
Speaker 2: little by little, but it's a shame that there's not
31:45
Speaker 2: more doctors showing the frustrations. You see the frustration in
31:48
Speaker 2: medicine with the high suicidal rates in doctors. You see
31:53
Speaker 2: the frustrations with doctors quitting medicine. You see the frustration
31:57
Speaker 2: when they don't want to treat. They're like, you know what,
32:00
Speaker 2: it's not worth the headache. Yes, give the vaccine like
32:02
Speaker 2: the government wants me to do. You know, people have
32:06
Speaker 2: lost the strength and the courage to speak up, and
32:11
Speaker 2: they need to speak up. This is the time to
32:13
Speaker 2: speak up. So that's that's all I have to say
32:17
Speaker 2: on this. If anything, if I'm just a messenger to
32:23
Speaker 2: raise that courage in people, if I was just a
32:26
Speaker 2: messenger to say, hey, you're going to be fine. If
32:29
Speaker 2: I was just a messenger to hold a person's hands
32:31
Speaker 2: so they could survive and show the data that nobody dies,
32:35
Speaker 2: nobody died on my shift, then be it. That's all
32:38
Speaker 2: I was. I'm good with that. I can sleep at night,
32:41
Speaker 2: I can die in peace. And saying, you know what
32:43
Speaker 2: I've done my job. You know, God is looking at
32:45
Speaker 2: me and saying good job. You know, I'm a warrior
32:49
Speaker 2: and I'll always be a warrior. So that's it. But
32:53
Speaker 2: others need to be warriors. We need strength, we need courage.
32:58
Speaker 1: I love I absolutely love that because I think most
33:02
Speaker 1: people that are watching this interview, they will see that
33:06
Speaker 1: you're a warrior. And I think we're all warriors and
33:08
Speaker 1: we've come this far altogether, we're still saying we're still
33:13
Speaker 1: we're still seeing the agenda. So I think, you know,
33:15
Speaker 1: sometimes we need to take a pat on the back
33:18
Speaker 1: and say, look, we've made it this far. And I've
33:21
Speaker 1: got my eye on the clock because I know you've
33:23
Speaker 1: got clinic to go to, and I know Cheryl wants
33:26
Speaker 1: to come in with something else. But Cheryl did mention
33:30
Speaker 1: earlier antibiotic resistance and antimicrobi or resistance, and it's something
33:36
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about at UK column an awful
33:39
Speaker 1: lot in the last probably a couple of years. We
33:42
Speaker 1: have Dame Sally Davis, who's the UK We have our
33:45
Speaker 1: own envoy, would you believe in antimicrobi or resistance? And
33:49
Speaker 1: we're told that that is going to kill more people
33:52
Speaker 1: than climate change. I mean, this is what is being
33:55
Speaker 1: made of it.
33:55
Speaker 2: And we know that.
33:57
Speaker 1: I mean I know for sure, having been on antibiotic
34:00
Speaker 1: many times in my life, that it does destroy the
34:04
Speaker 1: gut biome. And many people might might actually think back
34:08
Speaker 1: and oh, actually, yes, we ended up with Canada alpacan
34:12
Speaker 1: thrush as a result of taking antibiotics. So we've got
34:18
Speaker 1: two things, as I can see, coming up, and that's
34:21
Speaker 1: number one, antimicrobial resistance as a bigg agenda moving forward.
34:26
Speaker 1: And the other thing that I was concerned about and
34:28
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask your opinion very quickly on is
34:31
Speaker 1: catastrophic contagion. Which was the last tabletop exercise to be
34:36
Speaker 1: conducted or one of the last ones to be conducted
34:40
Speaker 1: by the John Hopkins University. It was a Bill Gates
34:43
Speaker 1: study and it's looking at an enteric virus or an
34:48
Speaker 1: enteric sickness coming next, and the enteric sickness i e.
34:53
Speaker 1: Tummy vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, etc. As attacking young people. And
35:00
Speaker 1: I wondered, I just wanted to mention it to you
35:02
Speaker 1: and to say what are your thoughts surrounding what I mean,
35:06
Speaker 1: They're predicting that for twenty twenty five. I mean, everything's
35:10
Speaker 1: up in the air right now. But it seems as
35:13
Speaker 1: though after attacking the hearts the immune system, which we
35:17
Speaker 1: know is the gut the brain, all of a sudden
35:19
Speaker 1: now there seems to be a concerted attack on the gut.
35:23
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that.
35:25
Speaker 2: Because they figure it? Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, it's a
35:28
Speaker 2: sick agenda. I think of following a bunch of people
35:35
Speaker 2: that have a vision of what the world is or
35:38
Speaker 2: should be. And you know, we're living in a different
35:42
Speaker 2: climate right now than in the past, and that everything
35:45
Speaker 2: is social media driven and that gives power to some people,
35:51
Speaker 2: and everything is monetary. You can buy almost anything you want.
35:55
Speaker 2: You know, you could buy fame, you could buy you know, power,
35:59
Speaker 2: you could buy you know health. So they think, you know,
36:05
Speaker 2: I think there's a sinister agenda going on. However, we
36:09
Speaker 2: look at it and it's not as it's not an
36:12
Speaker 2: agenda that's humble, it's not an agenda that's science. It's
36:15
Speaker 2: an agenda that's all about killing, destroying. That's all we've
36:20
Speaker 2: known as men is wars and killing. You know, the
36:25
Speaker 2: microbiome is exactly that that, it's demonstrating that it's not
36:31
Speaker 2: it's not about killing the bug, it's about suppressing it.
36:35
Speaker 2: It's not about kill, kill, kill seed if it's about
36:38
Speaker 2: bringing back the families that you've killed to give a
36:42
Speaker 2: diverse microbiome to sustain health and a diverse microboom of
36:46
Speaker 2: good bugs and bad bugs. Right. So, the planet is
36:50
Speaker 2: very dark right now. Humanity is very dark. We're all
36:53
Speaker 2: seeing darkness. We need to start focusing on the light,
36:56
Speaker 2: and we need to start helping each other community by community,
37:00
Speaker 2: and I think that's when you know peace comes back
37:04
Speaker 2: into the planet in my opinion, and into the microbiome,
37:07
Speaker 2: because that's what it's all about. Piece of the microbomb
37:10
Speaker 2: to allow it to grow.
37:11
Speaker 5: Right.
37:12
Speaker 2: Think about that garden I was talking about. If you
37:15
Speaker 2: have a garden full of weeds, you remove the weeds,
37:17
Speaker 2: you plant new seeds, and you let it grow with
37:20
Speaker 2: sun and water. If a tornado comes around, if chaos
37:25
Speaker 2: comes around, if people come in with their shovels and
37:27
Speaker 2: start turning the ground again, you're never going to grow
37:30
Speaker 2: that garden. Right. So you need peace in the earth.
37:34
Speaker 2: You need peace in the microbomb of humans because what
37:38
Speaker 2: we consume, whether we consume foods that are you know,
37:44
Speaker 2: bad for our guts? Anything we consume goes into our
37:48
Speaker 2: bowels and then goes into the earth, into the planet.
37:52
Speaker 2: So imagine, And by the way, I'm going to leave
37:54
Speaker 2: you with this, biffito bacteria decomposes plastic. Biffit of bacteri
38:00
Speaker 2: it decomposes plastic. I'm going to say it again. So imagine,
38:05
Speaker 2: is there a climate problem or is there a loss
38:08
Speaker 2: of bifodobacteria problem? Because is there a loss of bifito
38:13
Speaker 2: bacteria in Alaska and that's why the iceberg is melting?
38:17
Speaker 2: And is there an over abundance of bifidobacteria in Argentina
38:21
Speaker 2: and that's why the iceberg is growing over there. We
38:24
Speaker 2: have to start looking at the microbiome of the planet
38:28
Speaker 2: as a whole and humanity as a whole. It's a
38:32
Speaker 2: mistake to just think, oh, well, I'm just going to
38:34
Speaker 2: look at the microboum of this person, this disease. You
38:37
Speaker 2: have to look at it as a whole. If I'm
38:39
Speaker 2: seeing in my lab less than five percent bifoito bacteria
38:42
Speaker 2: in a thousand patients, that's a direct decrease of bifotobacteria
38:48
Speaker 2: in the planet, Okay, And that's a problem, because eventually
38:52
Speaker 2: that can destroy the planet, That can destroy humanity if
38:57
Speaker 2: we depend on bifodo bacteria and we're not longer able
39:00
Speaker 2: to trans and mothers are not able to transmit it
39:04
Speaker 2: to their children because they have a lack of difficult
39:06
Speaker 2: bacteria themselves. And then on top of that, we add
39:09
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff to the kids, you know, antibiotics
39:12
Speaker 2: and seventy two vaccines, and stress of the mom because
39:16
Speaker 2: she has to do three jobs to maintain the lifestyle
39:19
Speaker 2: that she's trying to maintain, and pay this little device
39:22
Speaker 2: on a monthly basis, you know. I mean, this is
39:25
Speaker 2: a lot of stressors for new moms and the new
39:28
Speaker 2: generations of newborns. You know, we are going to have
39:32
Speaker 2: a decrease in fertility in the future. We are going
39:36
Speaker 2: to have an increase in autism in the future. I
39:39
Speaker 2: predicted it's going to be one on one maybe in
39:41
Speaker 2: about twenty to thirty years. So if we don't stop,
39:45
Speaker 2: So we got to stop what we're doing, and we
39:47
Speaker 2: got to analyze, and we got to look back and
39:49
Speaker 2: say what are we doing. I mean, I don't care
39:53
Speaker 2: if you know it's Bill Gates or whoever. They have children,
39:58
Speaker 2: they have grandchildren. They should be concerned because no human
40:03
Speaker 2: can just live alone on the planet. Humans need other humans.
40:08
Speaker 2: We are part of an ecosystem that requires every race
40:13
Speaker 2: to live together and to do what they're supposed to
40:16
Speaker 2: be doing. Race. Gender, You know, men and women are different.
40:20
Speaker 2: There's a reason we're different. We bring something else to
40:24
Speaker 2: the planet. That's why we're giving That's why we're able
40:27
Speaker 2: to give birth. That's why we're able to have children,
40:30
Speaker 2: because we're able to multitask as women, We're able to
40:33
Speaker 2: take care of the house and the kid and pay
40:35
Speaker 2: the bills and work, et cetera. That's what we are
40:39
Speaker 2: programmed to do, right. I think the mistake we do
40:43
Speaker 2: is when we say, oh, you know what, the women's
40:45
Speaker 2: job is no longer important, it's no longer value. You know,
40:49
Speaker 2: a race can just be you know, vanished. We don't
40:52
Speaker 2: like this race or this religion, we should just remove it.
40:56
Speaker 2: Right wrong, because when you remove that race, that race
40:59
Speaker 2: was contributing to the overall humanity. Much like in the microbiome,
41:04
Speaker 2: if you remove a group of microbes, you're no longer
41:08
Speaker 2: absorbing sugar. You're removing another group of microbes. You're no
41:11
Speaker 2: longer absorbing dairy calcium. So guess what, how are you
41:15
Speaker 2: going to function? How is the human going to function
41:19
Speaker 2: without those two groups of microbe when they can't absorb
41:22
Speaker 2: calcium or sugar. Good luck with your mitochondria, good luck
41:26
Speaker 2: with your crep cycle, good luck waking up in the morning.
41:30
Speaker 2: So these are the microbes we're talking about, right, So
41:33
Speaker 2: eradicating groups of microbes is not a good idea because
41:38
Speaker 2: together all these microbes make a healthy human. Much like
41:43
Speaker 2: on a bigger picture, humanity survives because of all of
41:47
Speaker 2: us being different and bringing something to the planet. When
41:52
Speaker 2: we think that we just need to decrease or kill
41:57
Speaker 2: somebody that we don't like, we are killing ourselves. It's
42:01
Speaker 2: going to come back to us. So the idea of
42:04
Speaker 2: killing the bug is wrong. It's like killing getting into
42:08
Speaker 2: wars with people and like kill kill jilb. It's not
42:11
Speaker 2: about killing, it's about, you know, increasing the peace. Wow.
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Speaker 1: I would just want to thank you so much and
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Speaker 1: before we let you go with your last word, I
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Speaker 1: just want to bring Cheryl back in very quickly just
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Speaker 1: to ask her if there's anything that she would like
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Speaker 1: to end and ask you before before we let you go.
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Speaker 4: I mean, what I'd like to say, is that in
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Speaker 4: this country, with the NHS that we're all tied into,
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Speaker 4: they want us to do pooh sample so that they
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Speaker 4: can tell us we've got cancer because they're expecting one
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Speaker 4: in two of us to have cancer and.
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Speaker 3: All the tests in the poof for is that.
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Speaker 5: Just think how different it would be if I could
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Speaker 5: send in a poo sample, which I would do, if
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Speaker 5: they told me what my microbiome was, with what state
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Speaker 5: it was in, so so I could try and do
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Speaker 5: something about it.
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Speaker 3: I haven't got a clue what my micro and I'd like.
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Speaker 4: To know, but I don't want to send in a
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Speaker 4: boo sample for them to tell me I've got cancer.
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Speaker 4: I want to be able to build up my immunity
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Speaker 4: so I won't get cancer. And that's really my parting shot.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing that's wrong with our NHS.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly, it certainly is, and we certainly are
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Speaker 1: a gain envelopes through the doors with baltest only to
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Speaker 1: give us bad news, not to give us the solutions,
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Speaker 1: not to give us any hope for the future. But
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Speaker 1: you certainly do give us hope for the future, because,
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Speaker 1: as you've said, you're a warrior and you can sleep
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Speaker 1: at night because you're standing up for humanity. Actually, I
43:37
Speaker 1: would say you're standing up for creation, and you're certainly
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Speaker 1: standing up for Biffodo bacteria. And if anybody hasn't heard
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Speaker 1: of Biffodo bacteria by the end of these two interviews,
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Speaker 1: where have you been? But I just want to thank
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Speaker 1: you so much and to leave you as we always do,
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Speaker 1: Dr Sabine Hasan, and I'm sure we'll be in contact
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Speaker 1: again very soon. To leave you with the last word,
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Speaker 1: it's over to you.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you and again thank you for having me again.
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Speaker 2: Lovely to talk to you too, and I just you know,
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Speaker 2: I guess the last word is you have a choice.
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Speaker 2: You have the freedom to choose whether to abide or
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Speaker 2: not to say yes to the SOOL test or not.
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Speaker 2: So I encourage everyone to use your right to inform
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Speaker 2: consent because that's what we have. We are. You know,
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Speaker 2: through the centuries people have fought for freedom. This is
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Speaker 2: what we're fighting for. Freedom to speak, freedom to choose
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Speaker 2: to choose what we whether we do a test or not.
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Speaker 2: If that test is aggravating your mental status and you
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Speaker 2: don't want to know the results, then that's your freedom right.
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Speaker 2: You have a life. You should choose, whether quality versus quantity.
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Speaker 2: It's your freedom to choose. So that's my last forward
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Speaker 2: is freedom of choice. May we fight for that freedom.
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Speaker 2: May we continue to fight for that freedom to speak
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Speaker 2: and to choose what we put in our bodies. And yes,
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Speaker 2: save the Biff.