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#627 - Wyclef Jean Talks Haiti Presidency, Immigration, Fugees, Canibus & the Passing of John Forte · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: the interview. All right, here we go, man, Bootleg CAV
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Speaker 1: podcasts a legend, one of the greats, and when I
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Speaker 1: tell you, one of the greats on the mic, on
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Speaker 1: the pen, and more importantly, one of the greatest performers
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Speaker 1: of all time. Man, why Clef Jean family, Yo, it's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I remember, like when I was a kid, I had
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Speaker 1: a Do you remember was it what was the magazine
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Speaker 1: cover you were on the cover of with all the McLarens.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was DuPont Registry.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or even knew what McLaren was before the
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Speaker 1: first person who had one. Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 2: My dad I learned about cars early.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: My dad was an immigrant when he came up here,
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Speaker 2: and one of the jobs with mechanics, you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean. So I was under the hood early I learned.
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Speaker 2: I learned about air car, but more the the blue
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Speaker 2: chip cars though, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: For I mean, for sure, what was the most you
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Speaker 1: that ever spent on a car?
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Speaker 2: Probably probably like three million dollars? Yeah, yeah, I was
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Speaker 2: a car dude. And when I decided to go back
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Speaker 2: to my country, I was so high of my fortune,
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Speaker 2: like to try to become president of Haiti.
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Speaker 1: I remember that. What was the three million dollars card?
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Speaker 1: Did it turn a profit or did you have to
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Speaker 1: take a loss on him? You sold it? And what
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Speaker 1: kind of car was?
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Speaker 2: No, it was like emotional seal for me, right because
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Speaker 2: it was like I was going back to my country
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Speaker 2: and I needed a certain amount of money. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: blue chip cards are like art, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: I took a loss. So but if you want to
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Speaker 2: know the one that I regret selling the most, the McLaren.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. The McLaren is worth like today,
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Speaker 2: like thirty thirty million. You know, I took a loss,
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Speaker 2: but you know, God is good. Hopefully I'll buy it back. Yo.
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Speaker 1: What obviously, Man, you're in LA right now doing a
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Speaker 1: Blue Note. I feel like when we talk about like
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Speaker 1: the greatest live performers in hip hop history, I feel
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Speaker 1: like you have to be in that conversation. I remember
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Speaker 1: seeing you maybe like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, like in
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Speaker 1: some basement at south By Southwest.
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Speaker 2: I just killing it.
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Speaker 1: How dope is it for you to be able to
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Speaker 1: kind of do something like Blue Note where you're able
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Speaker 1: to kind of show because because you're you're you know,
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Speaker 1: you do it all man.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, no, the Blue Note is dope. I said.
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Speaker 2: The best thing about my life is every month is
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Speaker 2: a summer gem around the world, you know, and in
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Speaker 2: a different country. What I love about the Blue Note
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Speaker 2: is my habitat. You know, I started off as like
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Speaker 2: a jazz major in high school. So because it's so intimate,
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Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, you get to see
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Speaker 2: like y Clev jeng as y Clev Young. You know
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Speaker 2: what I mean, Because sometimes the stadiums and the arenas
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Speaker 2: things are like so big, and then the records become
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Speaker 2: bigger than you. Right, you got to the hits that
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Speaker 2: I write a bigger than y Clef. You know what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying to you. They gotta be like that. So
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Speaker 2: when when you come to an intimate setting like the
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Speaker 2: Blue Note, you'll be like, oh, I get it. I
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Speaker 2: understand how how his brain works on the creation tip.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying to you. Yeah, hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: You talked to obviously, man. You you come from a
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Speaker 1: family of immigrants, and right now you know you've you've
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Speaker 1: never been some of the shy away from you know,
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Speaker 1: the political side of things. Obviously you ran for president
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Speaker 1: of your country. I'm curious just what your thoughts are
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Speaker 1: on what's going on at the moment with Ice and
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Speaker 1: with just this current administration.
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Speaker 2: I mean really, you know, I'm very informed. So I
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Speaker 2: think like the idea of the immigration that didn't start
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Speaker 2: off from the idea of like Trump, you know what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying to you, right, So the idea of you know,
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Speaker 2: you could go back to the Biden administration or the
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Speaker 2: Obama administration. Right, I think what happens is it's just
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Speaker 2: more vocal now, right, So you got two forms of college. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's just more on your face. Right, So how do
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Speaker 2: you want it? Do you want it like hidden on
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Speaker 2: some brutal shit where they come and they like stab
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Speaker 2: you in the back, or do you want to know
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Speaker 2: what's happening in the front. You know what I'm say
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Speaker 2: and to you. So for me, what I do is
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Speaker 2: I tell all of my immigrant people, like get your
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Speaker 2: papers right, because where we're at right now is like
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Speaker 2: them boys are not playing right. We could talk about injustice,
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Speaker 2: what's right, what's wrong with past president administrations, But at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, the reality is always remember
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Speaker 2: a president term is for the eight years, right when
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Speaker 2: you are in your when you and your boroughs, who's
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Speaker 2: representing you in DC? I think that's more like y'all
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Speaker 2: got a concentration because a lot of people concentrate on
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Speaker 2: the actual election itself, right, who's going to be the president?
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Speaker 2: I think that y'all got to focus on who you know,
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Speaker 2: who's going to be representing y'all in DC. That's just
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Speaker 2: how I feel about it.
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Speaker 1: Dude, you know, I just feel like, yeah, like what
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Speaker 1: you were saying, like it's more in our face now,
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Speaker 1: and I just feel like that's even just like globally,
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Speaker 1: you know, with the politics stuff, like the mask is
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Speaker 1: kind of off and it's like at least kind of
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Speaker 1: now the craziness is being hidden from if you will,
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Speaker 1: like you can then see a lot of the shit
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Speaker 1: going on in the world right now, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's like to your point. So all
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Speaker 2: I'm saying is I rather know what's going on right
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Speaker 2: I know what's going on right now, so I could
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Speaker 2: just tell my immigrants right now, everybody make sure that
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Speaker 2: your papers are right, because there are not playing right now,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Literally, it's all in your
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Speaker 2: face right. So, and then I'm saying as we move forward,
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Speaker 2: as y'all continue to vote, just make sure that you
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Speaker 2: know that you look at the House of Representative and
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Speaker 2: make sure that the people that you're voting for represent
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Speaker 2: your policies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and represent the constituents which on both sides. Facts.
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Speaker 2: There you go, that part, that part.
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Speaker 1: What is uh what when you ran for president of Haiti,
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Speaker 1: obviously this is a country that has been destabilized over
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Speaker 1: and over by the United States, by France, by the West,
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Speaker 1: by all kinds of interests. What was the uphill battle
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Speaker 1: running for president? And what did you learn about this
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Speaker 1: the process? Because I feel like Haiti doesn't get talked
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Speaker 1: about enough in terms of like our part as the
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Speaker 1: United States and the West having a direct hand and
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Speaker 1: continuously kind of installing the facto governments and destabilizing the country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would say, like why should we even
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Speaker 2: be concerned about Haiti. I just think like there's a
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Speaker 2: part of history that connects America with Haiti. Just everybody
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Speaker 2: that's listening to this, like, let's just talk about Louisiana purchase, right,
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Speaker 2: I think like the Haitians was strategic and helping this
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Speaker 2: big the biggest real estate deal land.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: What did I learn? It's basically this eighty percent of
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Speaker 2: a country is living on less than a dollar a day.
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Speaker 2: And what made me feel bold enough that I could
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Speaker 2: change it? Right at the end of the day, we know,
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Speaker 2: like all countries are in debt, right, that's not a
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Speaker 2: new thing. But I felt that with Haiti. The environment,
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Speaker 2: the environmental situation, I felt through carbon credit we actually
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Speaker 2: had a chance to rebuild that country. I felt that
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Speaker 2: moving forward, as I'm speaking to you right now in Haiti,
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Speaker 2: I got one of the most progressive robotic programs that
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Speaker 2: I sponsor that's coming out of Jacquemail, which means that
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Speaker 2: kids that leave jacquem Mail that go compete globally Greece,
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Speaker 2: Panama and in different places. So I saw that if
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Speaker 2: we could instill that sense of hope inside of the
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Speaker 2: youth right and focus on the anti corruption law because
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Speaker 2: everywhere is anti corprrestion, but really enforce that law because
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, listen, keV we could
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Speaker 2: blame everybody on the outside, but it starts with your
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Speaker 2: own home. So what I mean by that is our
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Speaker 2: politicians are so fucked up that they could be bought
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Speaker 2: so quick that they can't stand for something. So you
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Speaker 2: have to be able to stand for something, you know.
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Speaker 2: So I felt like at the end of the I
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Speaker 2: was going to bring something to that country, which was important.
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Speaker 2: I felt we could have rebuilt the workforce through education
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Speaker 2: and keep in mind we only an hour from Miami,
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Speaker 2: so just think of how we can trade for trade
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Speaker 2: in the States. I felt like we have human capital
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, do you want to
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Speaker 2: continue to outsource a lot of this to China and
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Speaker 2: to India when you have somewhere here where as long
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Speaker 2: as you make the labor fear, it will work for us,
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Speaker 2: you know, things like that.
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Speaker 2: Brother man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously such an important part of your guys a story,
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Speaker 2: Is no joke, you know, because with Forte it was brutal,
11:03
Speaker 2: it was subtle. I got my man. Michael had tapped
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Speaker 2: me on the phone and I thought he was saying,
11:10
Speaker 2: I Pete another one of my boys that I lost
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Speaker 2: like three weeks ago. And then in the morning I
11:15
Speaker 2: got the call. The text from Miss Hill and Lauren
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Speaker 2: was like, Yo, I just got like some bad news.
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Speaker 2: Just check for me and verify. You know what I'm
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Speaker 2: saying to you. So I hit Forte like literally, like
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Speaker 2: on my phone. We share music, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: So it's like so while I'm working on my project,
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Speaker 2: I would send him stuff and he would send me stuff.
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Speaker 2: So every month we at least tap in. So I'm like, YO,
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Speaker 2: text me so I know you good? Can you imagine that?
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, text me, know you good? And then
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Speaker 2: my other man sent me the ky He was like, no,
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Speaker 2: be gone. So it was definitely like it was fucked up. Man,
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Speaker 2: it's fucked up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy like you think of When I
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. We always called John
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Speaker 2: and for Fuji and it's so true, and I always say, like,
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Speaker 2: the score wouldn't it sounded the way it did without John?
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Speaker 2: He contributed a.
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Speaker 1: Lot, Yeah, for sure. How how for you?
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Speaker 2: Man?
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Speaker 1: Like I always wondered this, I want to get to
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Speaker 1: some Fuji stuff. But when you come out of the
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Speaker 1: Score and you're crafting The Carnival, which kind of turned
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Speaker 1: you into a pop star. There was like a there
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Speaker 1: was like a switch that happened, like like I almost
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Speaker 1: like a switch was flipped and like you were you
12:36
Speaker 1: were like a running MTV. Did you dropped like this
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Speaker 1: exceptual album?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? And like you're putting your homies on. What was like,
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Speaker 1: was there was there any pressure working on that album?
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Speaker 1: And like, obviously it it definitely like you delivered, but
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Speaker 1: I just I can only imagine like the first album
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Speaker 1: after this all time classic the Score Grammy winning award,
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Speaker 1: and like you're going solo. Lauren's obviously Lauren, but you're
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Speaker 1: crafting up this original idea and you know obviously worked.
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Speaker 1: But what was the pressure like making the Carnival.
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Speaker 2: Nah, it was like the pressure was like can we
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Speaker 2: get another score? And so what happened was the fujis
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Speaker 2: just we just became like the hip hop beatles You
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Speaker 2: feel me? And that's pretty scary for someone like me
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Speaker 2: who's a super creative, Like I'm about the art first.
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Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, when I did
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Speaker 2: the Carnival, man, there's nothing in my brain where the
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Speaker 2: Carnival would be accepted the way that it was accepted. Right.
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Speaker 2: I had absolutely no pressure. I said that I'm going
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Speaker 2: to create a piece of art that's the reverse of
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Speaker 2: the score. You see what I'm saying. So in this art,
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Speaker 2: there was nothing about it, like no one was saying.
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Speaker 2: So today you got afrobeads, you got all of this,
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Speaker 2: you got y year, you got this. So one kid
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Speaker 2: come and be like, Yo, I'm gonna have one album.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have this go on it. I'm gonna put
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Speaker 2: the Philharmonic Orchestra on it. I'm gonna put five languages
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Speaker 2: on there, and I'm gonna be putting on It's like,
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Speaker 2: what are you doing so to me? Like Boscia, I
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Speaker 2: was just painting and abstract painting of how I saw
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Speaker 2: the world, you know what I'm saying. And so there
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Speaker 2: was nothing in my brain that was commercial about the Carnivore,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying to you, Like even like
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Speaker 2: all the stories, like when you hear the Interluse, the
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Speaker 2: way it tied up, even with a record like the Beg's,
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Speaker 2: it's staying alive, like everything ties to a story, Like
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Speaker 2: when I saw John Travolta and Greece and then the
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Speaker 2: way that he walked I was like, Yo, this dude
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Speaker 2: and I'm in the projects and I've seen that. I say,
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Speaker 2: y're one day, I'm gonna do it video like him.
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Speaker 2: So it's literally like me taking all my childhood memories
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Speaker 2: and putting him in something. So in my head there
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Speaker 2: was nothing that was gonna be turned me into a
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Speaker 2: pop star.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense, And it's crazy too because if you
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Speaker 1: think about nineteen ninety seven, there's like the like kind
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Speaker 1: of like I guess, like the beginning of like the
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Speaker 1: Mace Diddy colorful shit.
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Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, I mean I actually jumped out of
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Speaker 2: the window. I mean out of the airplane. Remember that
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Speaker 2: video been around the world. Yes, I'm the guy who
15:31
Speaker 2: jumps out of the airplane.
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Speaker 1: But it's it's funny because back then, right, keeping it
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Speaker 1: real was a thing that people would say, were you
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Speaker 1: at all nervous to Like, nobody in hip hop would
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Speaker 1: have the right mind to be like, I'm gonna flip
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Speaker 1: a Begie song and it's gonna be fly and it's
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Speaker 1: not gonna be corny, Like that's a hard thing to
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Speaker 1: pull off.
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is I didn't. I don't know what
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Speaker 2: they mean by keep it real. I'm from Haiti, I'm
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Speaker 2: from a hut, the village, slum dog millionaire. Then I
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Speaker 2: get to Marlboro Projects, I'm in Brooklyn, Coney Island, you
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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Where I see the homies, you know,
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Speaker 2: complaining about their sneakers and the problem. I'm like, Yo,
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Speaker 2: what are those? You know what I'm saying, And were
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Speaker 2: like what are those? And I'm like, yo, bro, where
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Speaker 2: I come from, Man, it's like one pair of shoes.
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Speaker 2: Right then we go to Jersey. So my idea always
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Speaker 2: in my brain of keeping it real is like, Yo,
16:20
Speaker 2: if you ain't gonna go to college and you ain't
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Speaker 2: gonna sell drugs, what are you gonna do to take
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Speaker 2: care of your family? So that's always been my mindset,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And then when it come
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Speaker 2: to the music, dog, I wasn't trying to be to me,
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Speaker 2: hip hop was the culture. But I was looking at
16:36
Speaker 2: people like Gershwin, Quincy Jones, and I was like, Yo,
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Speaker 2: if I could do what Quincy did, even a fraction
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Speaker 2: of it, I was like, I'm gonna have a job
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Speaker 2: for the rest of my life.
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Speaker 1: That's how I was just looking at it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and like, you know what it was funny because I
16:51
Speaker 1: remember when the Versus thing was happening during COVID. I
16:53
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't know, Man, if why Cliff
16:56
Speaker 1: ends up doing a versus, he got some shit he
16:59
Speaker 1: could pull out that not a lot of people can, like, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, our catalogs insanity, insanity that.
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Speaker 1: Happens if you played No, No, No. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like.
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Speaker 2: It's a global it's a global entry. You know what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, because I got you know, if I do
17:15
Speaker 2: a versus, you got to tune in in every part
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Speaker 2: of the planet, right because I might do something and
17:20
Speaker 2: it don't work here and Nigeria go crazy. You know
17:23
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. The next song Columbia go create one man,
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Speaker 2: I wanted to.
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge wrestling fan and recently four or five
17:35
Speaker 1: years ago, Tech nine got the rock to actually do
17:38
Speaker 1: a verse on a song where he rapped. But you're
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Speaker 1: like the guy who actually in the in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the Attitude era, you do this song with the
17:47
Speaker 1: rock music video, everything on the eclectic. What was like
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Speaker 1: the idea were you a wrestling fan and like, what
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Speaker 1: was the idea of bringing the rock?
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Speaker 2: So's it's funny you say that because my next project
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Speaker 1: You've been a part of so many people's careers. I
21:14
Speaker 1: am curious the one guy who I interviewed him a
21:19
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Obviously Cannabis, right, Cannabis was kind
21:23
Speaker 1: of like I mean, as a wordsmith, as just a
21:27
Speaker 1: pure lyricist, he's like one of the greatest guys to
21:29
Speaker 1: put words on a paper. You know, he's a he's a.
21:32
Speaker 2: Of all time. Yeah, you're like, he gonna be credited
21:34
Speaker 2: for that.
21:36
Speaker 1: And that can I Bus album would like get retarded
21:38
Speaker 1: and Nward Noometry and you know, second Round Knockout. I mean,
21:43
Speaker 1: such a great album. But what was your thought, because
21:46
Speaker 1: you would always hear like people I think the ll
21:49
Speaker 1: thing obviously played into it, but like, what was your
21:51
Speaker 1: thought on like kind of what went wrong and why
21:53
Speaker 1: Cannabis didn't end up maybe getting to the potential that
21:56
Speaker 1: a lot of people had hoped he would have reached.
21:58
Speaker 2: Well, I think that if you go back right now
22:00
Speaker 2: and you look at the Cannabis where we're saying everything
22:04
Speaker 2: go wrong, how many artists could come in number two?
22:08
Speaker 2: That's the first thing. And right now, if you look
22:12
Speaker 2: at the numbers statistically, whereas can I bust at what
22:16
Speaker 2: kind of plaque is Cannabis sitting on right now with
22:19
Speaker 2: all of the other rappers that came out in this era.
22:22
Speaker 2: So let's start off by saying that I think that
22:27
Speaker 2: anyone who understands how the game work, we always say
22:31
Speaker 2: the freshman is a putt right, right, and ideas to
22:36
Speaker 2: get to the south more. Now you might come in
22:39
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying to bat, you know what
22:43
Speaker 2: I mean, and be from the Dominican Republic like my brothers.
22:47
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying and be able to tap
22:49
Speaker 2: in something. So I think that because the hype was
22:53
Speaker 2: so strong that the focus was lost on the idea
22:57
Speaker 2: of like, let's just keep going, you know what I mean,
23:00
Speaker 2: and the thing is coming in from a manager structure.
23:05
Speaker 2: He had managers and he had right because I felt
23:08
Speaker 2: like if I was overall on the overall thing, from
23:13
Speaker 2: the management, from the exec to all the thing, my
23:16
Speaker 2: speech is real simple. The Fujis had blunted on reality
23:20
Speaker 2: and we didn't kick it to the score. So if
23:22
Speaker 2: your first project, you you you surpassed the Fujis on
23:27
Speaker 2: a whole another level, right, because it's all about that
23:30
Speaker 2: global entry vibe. That's how I was looking at it.
23:33
Speaker 2: What would your second project be like? So at the
23:36
Speaker 2: end of the day, I still credit Cannabis is one
23:39
Speaker 2: of the illest lyricists. But history tells the tell look back,
23:43
Speaker 2: what is can I bust now certified gold? Right, look
23:49
Speaker 2: back in the era, everybody that's talking shit, show me
23:53
Speaker 2: your gold album. In that era, like very few of
23:57
Speaker 2: y'all are still around. So at the end of the day,
24:00
Speaker 2: I felt that all can had to do was keep going.
24:05
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, And it's like almost like back then
24:10
Speaker 1: it was a little harder to do that. Yeah, I
24:12
Speaker 1: had like I had the same conversation with raz Cast
24:14
Speaker 1: because I kind of felt like ras Cast was like,
24:16
Speaker 1: LA's cannabis, Uh huh, Away, I understand, But like you know,
24:22
Speaker 1: today it's easy to just keep because you could just
24:25
Speaker 1: you know, back then it was you had to get
24:27
Speaker 1: a CD, you had to get the label to really
24:29
Speaker 1: sign off on ship, you know what I mean, because
24:31
Speaker 1: everything counted against your contract. But not shout out to cannabis. Man.
24:34
Speaker 2: You know, Cannabis is still one of the illness, and
24:38
Speaker 2: I'm just fortunate to have like really, you know, watched
24:42
Speaker 2: him pen things down. Man. First, dude, I saw who
24:46
Speaker 2: built the website from the computer?
24:47
Speaker 3: Bro?
24:49
Speaker 2: Crazy?
24:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember your reaction to first hearing second
24:56
Speaker 1: Round Knockout.
24:57
Speaker 2: I mean what you mean my reaction. I produced the
24:59
Speaker 2: rect so.
25:01
Speaker 1: Like he's he's in the he's in the in the booth.
25:04
Speaker 2: You guys are saying like me and Jerry Wonder are
25:07
Speaker 2: producing the record, and I'm like, Yo, we're gonna go
25:09
Speaker 2: get into.
25:10
Speaker 1: It, intentionally replying to four three two one the.
25:13
Speaker 2: Verse, Yeah, well that's all cannabis. I'm the producer, you
25:16
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying to you. So I'm gonna get hit.
25:19
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying a producer, Bob, You're gonna
25:21
Speaker 2: get slapped at the time, don't matter who's doing to beat. Oh,
25:24
Speaker 2: you're gonna throw up in the video, you know. King Like, Okay,
25:27
Speaker 2: you're gonna get this work too. You know what I'm
25:29
Speaker 2: saying to you again, looking back at it, That's just
25:34
Speaker 2: part of hip hop, right, So one person says something
25:38
Speaker 2: the other person. That's just how hip hop goes and
25:42
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, I think that's
25:44
Speaker 2: what makes the sport a beautiful thing. At the end
25:46
Speaker 2: of the day.
25:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was some lines in there. I feel like,
25:51
Speaker 1: you know, second Round Knockout to one of the all
25:53
Speaker 1: time great disc records, and I feel like I can
25:55
Speaker 1: only imagine what it be like to hear the ninety
25:57
Speaker 1: nine percent of your fans were high heels live in
25:59
Speaker 1: the state, Like, oh shit, what's he gonna say to that?
26:03
Speaker 1: Shout out to cannabis though, man.
26:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, cannabis is dope again, you know, shout out
26:07
Speaker 2: to Canba. Also, shout out the l because I think
26:10
Speaker 2: when you're looking back at eras of Battlesdible, Yeah, like
26:14
Speaker 2: when we looking back at battles like because his story.
26:17
Speaker 2: I think that people have to understand when we talk
26:20
Speaker 2: about the battle, right, the idea of like battle and
26:23
Speaker 2: lyrical jouson. We just have a few amazing ones that
26:27
Speaker 2: happened in history, and that was one of them.
26:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it your idea or his idea to try
26:32
Speaker 1: to get Mike Tyson onto it?
26:34
Speaker 2: No, that was cannabis idea. He's a big Mike Tyson fan.
26:39
Speaker 2: And you know, like he would study like cannabis would
26:41
Speaker 2: be studying like a lot of training things, you know
26:45
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like he would be the one he'd
26:46
Speaker 2: come with the computer and be like, yo, just what
26:48
Speaker 2: the Navy seals are doing now, you know what I mean?
26:50
Speaker 2: And you know later he went he ended up going
26:53
Speaker 2: to uh the military for sure.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. When I talked to him, we talked about that. Now.
26:59
Speaker 1: It's crazy how we can talk about you producing one
27:01
Speaker 1: of the most vicious hip hop beef records of all time,
27:06
Speaker 1: and then you're also the guy who, you know.
27:09
Speaker 2: I never really knew that she could dance like this.
27:13
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Santana. You're working with Carlos.
27:16
Speaker 2: That's my that's my godfather.
27:18
Speaker 3: Man.
27:18
Speaker 2: I make sure I send them a text every week.
27:23
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because you were like very instrumental in
27:26
Speaker 1: like reintroducing like a legend from like my parents' era.
27:30
Speaker 1: I had to man to like the MTV kids, you know.
27:35
Speaker 2: I felt like it was very important. I felt like
27:36
Speaker 2: the culture needed it at the time. When Clive Davis
27:40
Speaker 2: hit me up, his first question was like, Yo, do
27:42
Speaker 2: you know Santana. I was like, what, Like, it's me why, clep.
27:46
Speaker 2: It's like, actually me, do I know Jimmy Hendricks? You
27:48
Speaker 2: know what? Right? So, so, of course, like, yo, Santana
27:52
Speaker 2: is like one of those ones. I was dying to
27:54
Speaker 2: get in the studio with Santana because I had so
27:57
Speaker 2: much and I don't know, if you know, Antenna's gangster
28:02
Speaker 2: like don't make no mistake on some peace type like
28:06
Speaker 2: meaning like he really was that boy, like he stood
28:08
Speaker 2: up like with the panthers, you know what I mean.
28:11
Speaker 2: He really was about it. So for me just being
28:15
Speaker 2: in the studio with him, shit was amazing.
28:19
Speaker 3: Man.
28:21
Speaker 1: Can you tell me who was the most either nervous
28:26
Speaker 1: or I want to use the word intimidated because that's
28:28
Speaker 1: got kind of got a negative uh context to it.
28:32
Speaker 1: But who was the most nervous person? You Like, if
28:34
Speaker 1: you like you knew you were going in to work
28:36
Speaker 1: with Blank and you maybe were like a little like,
28:39
Speaker 1: oh shit, this is crazy, Like I'm a little like it.
28:43
Speaker 1: Maybe your starstruck, maybe you're nervous, Like who was that
28:45
Speaker 1: person for you at all?
28:47
Speaker 2: Yeah? I said, definitely like two people Michael Jackson and
28:51
Speaker 2: Whitney Houston. Oh yeah, but more so Whitney. You know
28:55
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like coming from Jersey, it's like you know,
28:58
Speaker 2: being in high school. Yehs like I belive lead the
29:00
Speaker 2: children or the future, and you like, yo, I'm going
29:04
Speaker 2: in with Whitney. You know what I'm saying to you?
29:05
Speaker 2: It was that was pretty I ain't gonna front. I
29:09
Speaker 2: definitely was nervous with that one.
29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, Whitney probably the greatest voice of all time.
29:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I was nervous with that one.
29:20
Speaker 1: Did you You know I always hear people. I was
29:23
Speaker 1: just talking with John B the R and B Legend
29:26
Speaker 1: and he shared a manager with Michael Jackson back in
29:29
Speaker 1: the nineties, and I was like, yo, man, when you
29:32
Speaker 1: met Mike, Like, did he have an aura to him?
29:34
Speaker 1: Like when you worked with him? Did he have like
29:36
Speaker 1: a you know, there's a few people I've met were
29:38
Speaker 1: like they just like got a glow, like you're like,
29:40
Speaker 1: oh shit, yeah, you know what's crazy.
29:44
Speaker 2: I saw something surfacing online of like some unreleased Michael
29:48
Speaker 2: Jackson stuff that I've done, like had written when I
29:51
Speaker 2: penned when he was at the Hit Factory, and that's
29:53
Speaker 2: still like somehow I think like they're selling it or
29:56
Speaker 2: something now some some weird stuff's going on. But I
30:00
Speaker 2: would say like with Mike being in the studio with
30:06
Speaker 2: him and just being somebody who play over like fourteen instruments,
30:12
Speaker 2: I learned something. And I learned like when Mike was like, yo,
30:15
Speaker 2: the orchestra live in your head. Anything you can think of,
30:18
Speaker 2: like you can do you know what I mean? Like
30:21
Speaker 2: that that sort of like power, So you gotta understand
30:23
Speaker 2: I'm in a studio with Michael Jackson. But then I
30:25
Speaker 2: would pop up at a print show, right because I
30:29
Speaker 2: like to see. And then Prince would do something ill
30:32
Speaker 2: like you see how I'm gonna be at the Blue
30:33
Speaker 2: Note like he would like he'll leave some big stadium somewhere,
30:37
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and then he'll pop up
30:39
Speaker 2: in the smallest joint with a band and just crush it.
30:42
Speaker 2: So for me, what I learned about all of them, man,
30:45
Speaker 2: was like the pulse like you always have. The pulse
30:49
Speaker 2: of the generation means like you gotta be in the
30:52
Speaker 2: mud to understand it, you know what I mean?
30:55
Speaker 1: Nah, for sure, talk to me. You were on Capitol Punishment,
31:00
Speaker 1: one of my favorite hip hop albums of all time.
31:02
Speaker 2: My brother Big Pun, Fat Joe Crew.
31:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about what it was like. Could
31:10
Speaker 1: you talk about that era? There's that famous photo of
31:14
Speaker 1: like Cannabis DMX, Most Deaf and Big Pun like at
31:18
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31:22
Speaker 1: feel like Capital Punishment is one of them. Once. What
31:23
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31:26
Speaker 2: You know what was incredible about working with pun? Keep
31:29
Speaker 2: in mind I'm probably one of the most underrated MC's ever.
31:37
Speaker 2: But anybody who's watching this, catch me on any block,
31:42
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31:47
Speaker 2: Fat Joe. He knew, like I could really bar. You
31:52
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Pun is literally like it's like
31:57
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31:59
Speaker 2: know what I mean I'm saying. And the verse I
32:01
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32:05
Speaker 2: have wrote W Clubs verse, right, That's how hard the verse.
32:08
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I guess they never heard
32:10
Speaker 2: the Fuji's first album, Blunting on Reality. You know what
32:12
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you. But Yo, being in the studio
32:15
Speaker 2: with Pun Yo Twin Yo Twin, you know what I'm saying,
32:18
Speaker 2: Like Twin, I just need that verse, you know. And
32:20
Speaker 2: then I was feeding off his energy. You feel what
32:25
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you. And it's sort of like two
32:29
Speaker 2: people that like make me want to rap when I'm
32:32
Speaker 2: in well three people with a Pun made me do that.
32:34
Speaker 2: Lauren made me do that, and Lil Wayne like because
32:37
Speaker 2: it's sort of like, you know, Pun his verses, how
32:41
Speaker 2: he put his words together, his similes. It's like Okay,
32:45
Speaker 2: ain't no guitar playing here.
32:47
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32:48
Speaker 2: You know it's like Mike to Mike, talk to me, twin.
32:52
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Speaker 1: No, it definitely was. How often do you revisit the Score?
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Speaker 1: It's been officially thirty years.
35:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this is gonna be like the thirty year anniversary.
35:15
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I definitely say like every
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Speaker 2: like couple of like five years, Like I would probably
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35:24
Speaker 2: And when I throw it on more so the music though,
35:28
Speaker 2: it's more the memories you feel me like it's like
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35:53
Speaker 2: No, because we was coming from a flop, right, So
35:56
Speaker 2: we was coming from blunted on reality and then so
35:59
Speaker 2: it was like, yo, if this album, we're gonna almost
36:03
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Speaker 1: This is this might this might be our last chance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely our last chance. So we're gonna gear
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Speaker 2: it more mixtape orientated, you know what I'm saying, Like,
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Speaker 2: maybe if we're lucky, we might go gold on this one.
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Speaker 2: The whole focus. Let's go gold. Let's yo, let's try
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Speaker 2: could go to.
36:28
Speaker 1: The next flat Yeah, Plaque, Is there a reason outside
36:34
Speaker 1: of that album just becoming such an insane phenomenon and
36:39
Speaker 1: you and Lauren going on to just go insane and like,
36:42
Speaker 1: you know, shout to prose to you know, ghetto Superstar.
36:45
Speaker 1: He had a solo run himself, but was there what
36:48
Speaker 1: would what would you say? Is the main reason you
36:52
Speaker 1: guys never did a third album?
36:54
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think just young, A lot
36:58
Speaker 2: of complications were going on. You know what I'm saying
37:00
Speaker 2: to you, And you know you young at the time,
37:02
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And we literally a kid stars.
37:08
Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying to you? Like you literally
37:10
Speaker 2: like yo, it's thirty years later, dog like And I
37:15
Speaker 2: got a call from Craig Kalman, show you how wild
37:19
Speaker 2: gess Is and Craig like Craig like, Yo, you know,
37:24
Speaker 2: I got this chief officer job at Warners and you know,
37:26
Speaker 2: boom boom, boom boom, and he was like the most
37:29
Speaker 2: exciting thing he was about was like, yo, cleft, they
37:32
Speaker 2: let me get my label back, big beat right now.
37:36
Speaker 2: What's deep about that is before the score of five years,
37:40
Speaker 2: Craig Kalman was one of the investors who invested in
37:45
Speaker 2: a hip hop played at Me, Lauren and EMC light did,
37:49
Speaker 2: which twenty five years later that what you see is Hamilton.
37:53
Speaker 2: That's what we did twenty five years before that. You
37:55
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying to you so exactly. So I'm
37:58
Speaker 2: only saying that like to tell you that for me,
38:04
Speaker 2: it's sort of like I'm living a movie, right, but
38:09
Speaker 2: don't sleep on the fact that I'm a cultural bunny
38:12
Speaker 2: from the gate. So if I'm telling you way before
38:15
Speaker 2: the score, way before blunting on reality, here I am
38:19
Speaker 2: why clev Young, Lauren Hill and mc light on the play.
38:22
Speaker 2: And then I tell you, yo, you ever seen the
38:25
Speaker 2: Eric b video rock Can't Don't Sweat the technique? I'm like,
38:29
Speaker 2: that's me on the base. I'm an extra barely eighteen
38:33
Speaker 2: years old. You know what I'm saying. So for me again,
38:35
Speaker 2: I would say that my love for the culture allows
38:39
Speaker 2: me to just be me.
38:40
Speaker 1: Man. I love that is it? How often? If at all?
38:45
Speaker 1: Obviously you know, not to get into the specific situation,
38:48
Speaker 1: but you know, Proz is sitting down right now, she'd
38:50
Speaker 1: be sitting down for a while. Do you keep in
38:52
Speaker 1: contact with him at all?
38:54
Speaker 2: I mean, God will and I haven't spoken to him
38:56
Speaker 2: in a little bit, but you know, we did the
38:58
Speaker 2: big tour. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, COVID happened,
39:03
Speaker 2: and after COVID happened, you know what I mean. So
39:05
Speaker 2: all I could do is say, within any situation, we
39:08
Speaker 2: just wish him, pray for him every day, you know,
39:11
Speaker 2: tell my church group pray for him, and we hope,
39:14
Speaker 2: you know, he gets out of it.
39:17
Speaker 1: So I know, you guys have done stuff. Live bet
39:20
Speaker 1: Awards come to mind. It'd be dope to see why
39:23
Speaker 1: Clef and YG Marley work together.
39:26
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, nah, I love them, my nephews. Like
39:29
Speaker 2: keep in mind, I was on tour with YG. Yeah
39:32
Speaker 2: that's the crew. Like I was on tour with them,
39:35
Speaker 2: and this is before the song even rock right, So
39:37
Speaker 2: so we definitely have that. I'm uncle Clef. Let's just
39:42
Speaker 2: say that right now. So you got YG Marley, you
39:45
Speaker 2: got Zion Marley, you got a few of them. That's
39:48
Speaker 2: that's killing it right now. You know what I'm saying
39:50
Speaker 2: to you. I look, that ain't even a question when
39:54
Speaker 2: it comes to YG Marley, Zion Marley, all that. It's
39:57
Speaker 2: just a matter of time.
39:58
Speaker 1: Love them.
39:59
Speaker 2: Let a w what they're doing.
40:01
Speaker 1: What was if you if there is an artist you
40:05
Speaker 1: could choose, open up you know, hypotheticals here to executive
40:10
Speaker 1: produce and produce an album for any artist in the world.
40:13
Speaker 1: Who would that be right right now? Oh like in
40:17
Speaker 1: modern day? Right now?
40:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now?
40:19
Speaker 1: Who who would you if you you know, hey, I'd
40:21
Speaker 1: love to get it, Like they'd be dope to executive
40:23
Speaker 1: producer and work on a project with this person.
40:27
Speaker 2: Like j Cole, one of my favorites, like of all time,
40:30
Speaker 2: you know what I mean because similar DNA. You know,
40:33
Speaker 2: he's a producer, you know what I'm saying, And he's everything.
40:37
Speaker 1: Else, get that, an incredible producer.
40:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say, yeah for anybody think I'm
40:42
Speaker 2: gonna go to the core, you feel what I'm saying,
40:44
Speaker 2: Like I think that's where the connection would happen because
40:47
Speaker 2: him as a producer and me as a composer producer,
40:50
Speaker 2: get in there and start putting all them instruments together,
40:53
Speaker 2: the vibes, you know, energy. He's one of my favorites.
40:58
Speaker 1: The fall off February sixth, did did you listen to
41:00
Speaker 1: the first song that came out? He's kind of like
41:03
Speaker 1: wrapping his entire life story backwards. Yeah, yeah, it's skin. Yeah,
41:08
Speaker 1: he's heavy. Yes, talk about the new music, man, Like,
41:12
Speaker 1: I'm excited. You've had so much stuff happening, right, I'm excited. Yeah,
41:18
Speaker 1: talk about it man.
41:19
Speaker 2: So it's been like five years, I'd say, you know
41:21
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like down on COVID, you know, niggas
41:24
Speaker 2: get depressed, you know.
41:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:27
Speaker 2: It was so crazy man, especially I'm a people person,
41:30
Speaker 2: so and I know a lot of people that people person.
41:33
Speaker 1: We lost a lot.
41:33
Speaker 2: But so my next thing was like, Okay, what am
41:36
Speaker 2: I gonna do now for legacy?
41:38
Speaker 1: You feel me?
41:39
Speaker 2: And then I was like versus saying I did this
41:43
Speaker 2: in this era, I did that in this era. I'm
41:45
Speaker 2: a go man versus machine, and I'm gonna drop seven
41:49
Speaker 2: albums that represent the past seven genres that I have
41:53
Speaker 2: been that I was one of the original venders in
41:57
Speaker 2: the past thirty years. You know what I'm saying to
42:00
Speaker 2: you now. So the country album, yeah, wy clups Young
42:04
Speaker 2: got a country album? May Yo, What the hell cleft
42:06
Speaker 2: know about country?
42:07
Speaker 1: You work with Kenny Rogers.
42:09
Speaker 2: Not only did I work with Kenny Rogers family keV.
42:12
Speaker 2: The first hip hop country album dub play is me
42:16
Speaker 2: Kenny Rogers Pharaoh Marsh. That was the first idea that
42:21
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be crazy, and yeah, we Caribbean people
42:24
Speaker 2: was raised like on country music, like Devil went down
42:27
Speaker 2: to Georgia and we know all of that. Johnny Cash
42:29
Speaker 2: like heavy, y'all know what the reggae album gonna be like,
42:32
Speaker 2: I don't even need to tell you. It's called One
42:34
Speaker 2: Night in Kingston. Gonna be crazy. So seven albums. The
42:38
Speaker 2: first one coming out is Black Moses. That's the hip
42:41
Speaker 2: hop album, and yeah, it's gonna be crazy. Right now,
42:46
Speaker 2: I'm waiting on g Herbal's verse, so I think like
42:50
Speaker 2: the intros like me and g Herbal, I got a
42:53
Speaker 2: scheme and I did that. I'm working on y'are gonna
42:56
Speaker 2: love y'are gonna love it. I'm in that zone though,
42:58
Speaker 2: I'm telling you I'm in the zone. That's all I
43:00
Speaker 2: can say.
43:01
Speaker 1: Do you feel because obviously that's by the way, a
43:05
Speaker 1: white Cliff g Herbo song. I don't even know what
43:08
Speaker 1: that sounds like. I can't wait to hear that.
43:09
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, yeah, it's going. I'm telling you I'm
43:12
Speaker 2: in this.
43:13
Speaker 1: Are you Are you on the hit on this hip
43:16
Speaker 1: hop album? Are you also like working with you know
43:19
Speaker 1: some ogs?
43:22
Speaker 2: So the way, the reason why I call it Black
43:25
Speaker 2: Black Moses inspired by Isaac Hayes. Then it's back to
43:28
Speaker 2: the water. You feel what I'm saying to you. So
43:31
Speaker 2: it's like I'm literally just crafting some of the MC's
43:36
Speaker 2: that fit the film.
43:37
Speaker 1: That I'm doing.
43:38
Speaker 2: You know, like I see Joey Badass, I feel what
43:41
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you. I see like I see like
43:43
Speaker 2: rap City. You see what I'm saying to you, people
43:46
Speaker 2: like that. I see people like Ride Wave. You know
43:51
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like just like energy type of stuff
43:54
Speaker 2: like that. You know what I mean and believe it
43:56
Speaker 2: or not. Like if I was to hear a get
44:00
Speaker 2: that like a super throwback, I can't hear like l
44:03
Speaker 2: L you know what I'm saying, but modern you know
44:05
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because l L still go crazy.
44:09
Speaker 1: Yo. That last L album from like two years ago,
44:13
Speaker 1: very good album.
44:14
Speaker 2: Super dope album, Super super Dope.
44:17
Speaker 1: The intro of that album is him rapping from the
44:20
Speaker 1: perspective of James Is it James donor Chris donor the
44:26
Speaker 1: cop that kind of like went on that spree and
44:29
Speaker 1: was on the running California. It's fucking wild. Shout out
44:31
Speaker 1: to L.
44:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Black Most is going to be crazy. The
44:35
Speaker 2: R and B album gonna be nuts too. And and
44:39
Speaker 2: y'all know you ever heard of a You ever heard
44:42
Speaker 2: of a form of music called compa k O m
44:46
Speaker 2: p a all right, so this you ever heard of
44:50
Speaker 2: a dude named Joey dweat Fielick. So that style kompa
44:56
Speaker 2: is originally from hat So now it's a genre, like
45:00
Speaker 2: so it became like a whole new dance movement genre.
45:03
Speaker 2: So and it's for my country. And on the album
45:05
Speaker 2: I think you like the eclectic, I have one called
45:08
Speaker 2: MVP compound again genre bendon. So so when we said
45:13
Speaker 2: like welcome to Haiti, check that one out too, because
45:15
Speaker 2: I think like you're gonna really dig that one, gonna
45:17
Speaker 2: have a lot. I know a lot of kids are
45:19
Speaker 2: gonna sample a lot of new sounds from that record,
45:21
Speaker 2: so it's gonna be crazy too.
45:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've all. I mean, I feel like even like
45:27
Speaker 1: if you think back, like you had to sell your
45:29
Speaker 1: cruise on the Carnival, like America was really hip to
45:33
Speaker 1: what was going on with like the Spanish music shit.
45:35
Speaker 2: You know, come on, sell your cruise Tago cal doron
45:40
Speaker 2: Evy Queen like all of that. What people be forgetting
45:43
Speaker 2: is like that's the America's Like you got Haiti sent
45:45
Speaker 2: to the Mingo, Puerto Rico, Cuba, all of that. Like
45:48
Speaker 2: we're part of the Americas. You know what I'm saying to.
45:50
Speaker 1: You, Yes, you are a reggae head, heavy heavy reggae
45:59
Speaker 1: had I want to how much of your reggae album
46:04
Speaker 1: is finished? Or is it right now? Is it an idea?
46:06
Speaker 2: Is it non family? Everything that I told you is
46:10
Speaker 2: eighty percent done. The only thing that I'm doing right
46:14
Speaker 2: now is just the features. You feel me and you
46:17
Speaker 2: know I'm a reggae head, so you know the features
46:20
Speaker 2: can't be normal, right so, and then you know I'm
46:24
Speaker 2: a dub plate specialist. Anyboy wan clash dead see So
46:28
Speaker 2: as a dub plate specialist. There's a way that I
46:32
Speaker 2: want to present because can you imagine every year, man,
46:36
Speaker 2: people go, Cliff, what the fuck? Bro? Like you've been
46:40
Speaker 2: singing reggae since you've been fifteen, give us a one
46:43
Speaker 2: drop album? Can you believe like this is going to
46:45
Speaker 2: be like my first reggae full album? And why dog?
46:50
Speaker 2: I respect that culture so much musically that I felt
46:56
Speaker 2: like I couldn't do it yet because you got to
46:58
Speaker 2: understand as a student of Bob Marley, Jimmy, Cliff, it's
47:03
Speaker 2: the name a few ten us all like. It's like
47:08
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to deliver a song. I was trying
47:10
Speaker 2: to deliver an energy. So I hooked up with my boys,
47:13
Speaker 2: the Compound, Yo, the band, remember this the Compound. So
47:16
Speaker 2: I went to Jamaica with my man Panic.
47:18
Speaker 1: We get this.
47:19
Speaker 2: I want you to visualize this. So we're all in
47:21
Speaker 2: this tiny little room. It looks like Bob Marley Redemption
47:25
Speaker 2: song vibe yo and Yo, you already know, smoke on
47:29
Speaker 2: the air and seeing you already know, and then the
47:32
Speaker 2: vibe start and this is the whole album. One night
47:35
Speaker 2: in Kingston. It's gonna be crazy.
47:46
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. We're good. We had a little pause the internet.
47:53
Speaker 1: We're back. But anyway, you're telling me you're in a
47:56
Speaker 1: small room. It's like Bob Marley Redemption songs.
47:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, but think about it. The room is
48:01
Speaker 2: only supposed to fit seven people, but it's a hundred
48:05
Speaker 2: people in there, you know what I mean? Yeah?
48:09
Speaker 1: Were you like you guys flawlessly? You know my favorite
48:14
Speaker 1: Bob Marley song. I mean it's one of them. But
48:17
Speaker 1: you guys, we're able to do No Woman, No Cry
48:21
Speaker 1: on the score? Yeah, I mean that's a very intimidating
48:26
Speaker 1: song to conquer and like to like make your own
48:30
Speaker 1: and pay respect to that had to be pretty cool.
48:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean you hit it again, right, So
48:37
Speaker 2: you said the word pay respect right. So it's like,
48:39
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we didn't I didn't
48:42
Speaker 2: just do the song. I reached out to Steve, Stephen
48:44
Speaker 2: Marley right, of course, the Marley family, cause the approval
48:48
Speaker 2: that I wanted was like when Rohan when they all
48:52
Speaker 2: heard the song and it was like you sure you
48:57
Speaker 2: not one of our brothers, right?
49:03
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah? Man, are you are?
49:07
Speaker 1: Is it a bunch of uh? I don't know if
49:09
Speaker 1: you've gotten to the futures part yet. But I'm assuming
49:11
Speaker 1: you got some some reggae legends on that album.
49:14
Speaker 2: Man, I got I had to, you know, I got
49:16
Speaker 2: some reggae legends, but I got some upcoming legends too, right,
49:20
Speaker 2: because I feel like with me, I always bring y'all
49:25
Speaker 2: a pulse where either they gonna get it now or
49:28
Speaker 2: they're gonna get it later. You know what I'm saying
49:30
Speaker 2: to you. So some of the stars that me and
49:33
Speaker 2: my man Panic of course shout out to d the
49:35
Speaker 2: whole John Shop crew. What is being put together? I
49:40
Speaker 2: feel like it hasn't been done man like honestly, because
49:45
Speaker 2: what I was telling people is everyone goes for the feature,
49:51
Speaker 2: a post for creating the body of work. So what
49:54
Speaker 2: I want you to know is these seven projects, the
49:57
Speaker 2: feature is the last thing cause I needed to paint
50:00
Speaker 2: the entire picture. And now that we got the picture,
50:04
Speaker 2: when we like, we rode training days, you know what
50:06
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So we're like, Yo, we need Denn Washington.
50:09
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You feel me, Yo, we
50:12
Speaker 2: rode boys in the hood. We need boom boom, boom boom.
50:14
Speaker 1: You feel me. That's where we're going. Yeah, do we
50:31
Speaker 1: have a way to like an adapter to plug that in.
50:36
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah we can hear you know, yo, you get
50:38
Speaker 2: me hold on, let me see what's going on. Can
50:44
Speaker 2: you hear me back? Yeah, we're back, baby, right here,
50:46
Speaker 2: now you're yeah.
50:48
Speaker 1: I was gonna and also not at being about the
50:51
Speaker 1: feature you.
50:56
Speaker 2: I'm losing Kevin.
50:58
Speaker 1: At Ortiz and like, these are these artists that are
51:02
Speaker 1: technically new artists that you were able to kind of
51:04
Speaker 1: like just like, yo, it's a it's a hits, a hit,
51:08
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
51:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's been my thing, right, so I ain't
51:11
Speaker 2: changing my formula, you feel me, because I don't think
51:15
Speaker 2: nothing is bigger than the song. So at the end
51:17
Speaker 2: of the day, the material has to be amazing. And
51:21
Speaker 2: if you get this amazing material and now you get
51:24
Speaker 2: the right features, now you got supernatural in your hand.
51:29
Speaker 2: You got that Carlo Santano supernatural vibe, you know what
51:31
Speaker 2: I mean.
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52:05
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52:07
Speaker 2: So it starts in March, So Black Moses is the
52:10
Speaker 2: end of March. So yo. I'm sitting here with you
52:14
Speaker 2: do and I don't know why. I had epiphany when
52:17
Speaker 2: we was talking about the the reggae thing, and then
52:20
Speaker 2: the movie shot Us came to my head, you know what,
52:25
Speaker 2: you know what, so that it just came to my head.
52:27
Speaker 1: Listen, listen. I'm so glad you brought that up because
52:31
Speaker 1: that was one of the things I wanted to ask
52:32
Speaker 1: you about, because you're in Shatas and.
52:35
Speaker 2: Heavy and shot Us. I played Richief's.
52:38
Speaker 1: And from what I understand, your actual real life bodyguard
52:43
Speaker 1: is also in Shatas.
52:45
Speaker 2: Yeah beasts, Yeah, and he really about it, Like what
52:48
Speaker 2: you see is what you get.
52:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
52:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's not even like he's like my brother,
52:53
Speaker 2: like real brother.
52:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you crazy.
53:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm back.
53:08
Speaker 1: I see you. I don't know if you see me.
53:10
Speaker 1: Oh you're back? All right? Right, So I want to
53:12
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Shots. This is my
53:17
Speaker 1: name is Bootleg keV for a reasoning pirated DVDs of Shots.
53:23
Speaker 1: It is a classic. How do you end up in
53:26
Speaker 1: that movie? It is one of the greatest independent gangster
53:29
Speaker 1: movies of all time?
53:32
Speaker 2: Just family, you know what I'm saying.
53:34
Speaker 1: Just family, greatest Jamaican gangster movie of all time. But like, yeah,
53:38
Speaker 1: explain the backstory on how you end up in this?
53:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean ses Severa, who's a genius. I still
53:44
Speaker 2: say that till today. You know, he came up with
53:46
Speaker 2: the idea with the script and and what I love
53:50
Speaker 2: about his genius on and it's all like family, you
53:54
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying to you. So it wasn't like
53:58
Speaker 2: what makes the movie dope is like you see like
54:01
Speaker 2: Kirby Enthusiasm where it's improv right, So it's a very
54:06
Speaker 2: loose script. That's what made this shit genius, you know
54:10
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I don't know better actors than
54:13
Speaker 2: Caribbean people, to be honest with you, Yeah, everybody's Denzel.
54:20
Speaker 2: So it was cool. So now I'm going in the
54:23
Speaker 2: car and then the director would be like, y'all, maaia
54:26
Speaker 2: kill leboy upon the car. But before you kill Labo,
54:29
Speaker 2: I mewani here a joke. So set the boy up,
54:32
Speaker 2: you know, don't let him know you're gonna kill him,
54:35
Speaker 2: you know. So then my brain I go in my
54:38
Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson pulp fiction, witty type shit. You know what
54:41
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, it was white man, a black man,
54:44
Speaker 2: and the Chinese man, right, you know what I'm saying,
54:46
Speaker 2: So he can't see the kill coming. But I think
54:49
Speaker 2: the power of Shot Us was that it was just
54:51
Speaker 2: all real, like Officer Lang, it's all real, like what
54:54
Speaker 2: you see is what you.
54:55
Speaker 1: Get, you know what. Yeah, it's crazy too because it
54:59
Speaker 1: was kind of like I think we had gotten introduced
55:01
Speaker 1: a little bit to that in Belly, like Bellie kind
55:06
Speaker 1: of had like a little bit, you know of like
55:08
Speaker 1: that Jamaican flavor in it. But Shot was the most
55:12
Speaker 1: like raw shit, and it was it's probably all time
55:16
Speaker 1: five bootlegs movie.
55:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred percent everywhere. Yeah, you know, what
55:21
Speaker 2: you need to check out. I was I had saw
55:25
Speaker 2: Meek Mills the other day shout out to moves in
55:27
Speaker 2: Miami Brooklyn chop House, and he came up to me
55:30
Speaker 2: and you know what movie he told me seeing and
55:32
Speaker 2: you I'm gonna put you up on it. It's a
55:34
Speaker 2: documentary I did. It's called The Ghosts of Seat. They
55:36
Speaker 2: solet to understand how the Gangs of Haiti really move.
55:41
Speaker 2: Watch that movie, The Ghosts of Seat. They sole like
55:44
Speaker 2: everybody that's you know that'd be watching Narcos all of that,
55:48
Speaker 2: Because I want you to get cut. What happened is
55:50
Speaker 2: you be getting like a back perspective of what the
55:53
Speaker 2: news is. You know what I'm saying, Even if you
55:55
Speaker 2: look at it on YouTube, it's hard to read it.
55:57
Speaker 2: I want you to understand like the root of like
56:01
Speaker 2: where our gang culture started. It's so important, you know
56:04
Speaker 2: what I mean, Because it's more political than street if
56:07
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
56:09
Speaker 1: So in terms of like your political aspirations, I mean,
56:13
Speaker 1: I'm sure just going through that whole process had to
56:17
Speaker 1: be draining. I mean probably taught you a lot. Yeah,
56:19
Speaker 1: would you say that your political aspirations are over with?
56:22
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not disappointed. I learned a lot, you know
56:24
Speaker 2: what I mean? I see you know, if I would
56:26
Speaker 2: have read any book on police side, I wouldn't have
56:29
Speaker 2: even gotten like what I've gotten, you know what I'm saying.
56:32
Speaker 2: So first of all, I ain't a politician. That's why
56:36
Speaker 2: I ran because I feel like as we move towards
56:38
Speaker 2: the future, the you know mankind, do you in specie,
56:43
Speaker 2: they have less trust in politicians. But per my experience,
56:48
Speaker 2: I was like, for my country, I'm better off being
56:51
Speaker 2: a private sector guy.
56:52
Speaker 1: You know.
56:53
Speaker 2: I want to bring investment to my country. I want
56:55
Speaker 2: to build a technology school. I'm looking at the amazing
57:00
Speaker 2: beach resorts that we have. We have Punta Kana on
57:03
Speaker 2: the other side, so why can't I, you know what
57:05
Speaker 2: I'm saying, purchase something on our side and do that
57:09
Speaker 2: and start big investment. Because if y'all know why klev
57:12
Speaker 2: got an island, you're all coming. So at the end
57:15
Speaker 2: of the day, in order to do that, we need
57:17
Speaker 2: to enforce the anti corruption law and we need good
57:20
Speaker 2: governance in the country. So at the end of the day,
57:23
Speaker 2: I want to play part of that side to help
57:26
Speaker 2: us get back to where we need to get to.
57:29
Speaker 1: New album in March, the first of seven.
57:31
Speaker 2: First of seven, Baby Black Moses is the first. Y'all
57:35
Speaker 2: gonna love it.
57:36
Speaker 1: The one thing I don't want to not just bring
57:39
Speaker 1: up real quick before you leave. You also have like
57:43
Speaker 1: one of the biggest world worldwide songs ever with Shakira. Man, dude,
57:49
Speaker 1: that's like one of them fucking ones. Buddy, that's that's
57:52
Speaker 1: like a forever First of all, you got like fifteen
57:54
Speaker 1: forever songs.
57:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know I got I say like, I
57:57
Speaker 2: got fifteen happy birthday songs exactly.
58:00
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. You know what that mean.
58:02
Speaker 2: I can play a ball mix for every month and
58:03
Speaker 2: I'm good.
58:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, but shout out, shout out.
58:11
Speaker 2: To Shakira, shout out to the Goat, Shocky, shout.
58:15
Speaker 1: Out to you.
58:15
Speaker 2: Brother.
58:15
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to hearing the new album. And I hope, man,
58:18
Speaker 1: I hope you go on tour soon.
58:20
Speaker 3: Man.
58:20
Speaker 1: I know you're doing these live shows at the Blue
58:22
Speaker 1: Note in LA this weekend, but I think if you
58:24
Speaker 1: did a tour.
58:25
Speaker 2: Definitely we look forward to the toy and then you know,
58:28
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see you in a minute.
58:29
Speaker 1: You know. Boutleg keV.
58:31
Speaker 2: You know, let me know if you're going to bootleg
58:34
Speaker 2: Black Moses before I put it out.
58:35
Speaker 1: Man, I'm not no, I'm over my bootleg days, but
58:39
Speaker 1: I need to listen again. I gotta thank you as
58:42
Speaker 1: a kid. I'm recording this at my best friend Ramses' house.
58:47
Speaker 1: Shout out to your best friend. So listen. He's the
58:50
Speaker 1: one who used to buy the Punt Registry. Be like,
58:53
Speaker 1: I don't think you understand why Cleff has a million
58:55
Speaker 1: dollar cars. I'm about it for real, has more money
59:00
Speaker 1: than any rapper. This is like the big remember, like
59:04
Speaker 1: the big timers and baby of course.
59:06
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I was I was just I was
59:09
Speaker 2: an investor in blue chip cars. That's different than he knew.
59:13
Speaker 2: Your friend knew what Tommy was. He knew what the investments.
59:16
Speaker 1: Were before I let you go. If it's not blue
59:19
Speaker 1: chip cars in twenty twenty six, what are you invested
59:22
Speaker 1: in it?
59:22
Speaker 2: Still?
59:23
Speaker 1: Are you still?
59:23
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, no, definitely it's good that you said that.
59:25
Speaker 2: So first thing is, I'm a chief Officer of Culture
59:29
Speaker 2: for us DC, which is stable coin. And look into
59:34
Speaker 2: that because you got one point two billion people, Yeah
59:37
Speaker 2: you got one point you look into you as DC.
59:39
Speaker 2: You know, coming from Haiti or parts of the world,
59:42
Speaker 2: you know how it is moving money around and trying
59:44
Speaker 2: to get money to different places.
59:45
Speaker 1: Buddy, I have I always park some cat because obviously I'll,
59:49
Speaker 1: like you know, I'll do some leveraging on the crypto side,
59:51
Speaker 1: but you have to kind of run it through USDC
59:54
Speaker 1: depending on you know what you're using. Wallet, you're using all.
59:57
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, so so now if you go, you'll
59:59
Speaker 2: see like I'm a chief officer. So and again for
1:00:01
Speaker 2: me taking that position about culture and how we educate
1:00:06
Speaker 2: people into doing that, I'm very excited. As far as investments.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: The first like big franchise I want to do now
1:00:12
Speaker 2: moving forward is the y Clefs your Carnival, inspired by
1:00:16
Speaker 2: what they did with Margaritaville or hard Rock Cafe.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: It's an immerse.
1:00:20
Speaker 2: It's going to be immersed performance and culinary experience. So
1:00:25
Speaker 2: the first one is going to be in Brooklyn. So
1:00:28
Speaker 2: right now, I think like we're two years away from it.
1:00:30
Speaker 2: I've been talking about this for years, but I think
1:00:32
Speaker 2: we're getting there. We play chess, so we moved slow,
1:00:35
Speaker 2: but we're gonna land.
1:00:37
Speaker 1: That's going to be a hit man. I'll look forward
1:00:38
Speaker 1: to eating at the carnival. You already know, family, I
1:00:41
Speaker 1: got you y cleft. Appreciate you for pulling up and
1:00:44
Speaker 1: making this happen. Brother, Thank you, respect king'