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Episode 26: Good News in Food & Health! (February 2022) · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to the Beyond Labels podcast with yours truly, Joel Salatin, and my esteemed sidekick, Dr.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough, the brains of the outfit.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, we had such a great response uh a while back with our with our podcast about good news.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: We we uh you know in our culture today, we it's easy to be uh what angry and frustrated on a on a lot of levels with things, and we got such a great response from that uh podcast that we decided, you know, let's let's just kind of put that in the in the rotation, and every so often we'll just bring up good news tidbits for you to think about.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so we're gonna do that today.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And um I know Cena's been accumulating some things here, and so I'm gonna kick the ball over to her and um and have her start down some of her uh items of good news.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Great, thanks, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, my first story is about a doctor's organization that uh was created in order to provide early treatment for people with um with COVID-19.
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  SPEAKER_01: This organization has treated over 150,000 COVID-19 patients, and their survival rate is 99.99%.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I chose this story because to me, this um is about individuals rising up and providing solutions for what they see as problems.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this was um a group of doctors.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've been offered, they got together and they started offering free telehealth for COVID-19 patients because they're saying that early treatment works.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is a quote from them we have a team of volunteer free doctors that donate their time to help treat these patients that come into us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, he's this is um Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ben Marble.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's the founder of this organization, myfreedoctor.com, an online medical consultation service.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said, we deliver the early treatment protocols to them as early as we can.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a 99.99% survival rate.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I believe that myfreedoctor.com, the free volunteer doctors, have settled the science on this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Early treatment works, period.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so they're using Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Peter McCullough's treatment protocol with hydroxythloroquine, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, and other low-cost generic drugs, and also vitamin D, vitamin C, vitamin zinc, um, you know, as well as others.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: And what I love about this is that they're um they're being bold.
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  SPEAKER_01: He says, we're trying to let the message be known that early treatment works because that message is being suppressed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, the message that the disease is treatable is actually being suppressed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the article goes on to say the early treatments were and continue to be discouraged by the CDC, um, whose guidelines since the beginning of the pandemic up until January of 2022, they only focused on people self-quarantining for 14 days, keeping hydrated, taking analgesics, and only seeking hospital care when they can't breathe or they turn blue.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, they also warn people to not take any medications that were not approved by them, uh, not approved by the FTA for COVID-19.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I love this story because these are people that are in the trenches, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: These are the doctors who are seeing what's actually happening on the ground and they're taking the initiative to do something about it, um, in spite of the backlash that they may receive.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I love that.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, let me just ask you a question on this uh to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, when you say early prevention, how do you um how early is early and and what are symptoms?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you know, so I'm a parent, I've got a child.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um how do how do I know when to contact these folks that that puts me in that early category?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, what's the uh how do you how what's the definition of early of early treatment?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so and this is gonna vary per individual, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But um the earlier the better is what they're finding out.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in most of these situations, they're gonna want you to have a COVID test.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh, and so I have to say, uh, I love what these this doctor organization is doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: My approach to COVID-19 was different, and that I don't use the pharmaceuticals, I don't use the testing that's out there, I don't believe in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for anybody who wants to do this route, um, you would test, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: As soon as you test positive, like test as soon as symptoms appear, and as soon as you test positive, you schedule an appointment with them or somebody who will provide you with early treatment and you start the treatment protocol.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: You don't wait, as the CDC has um advised people, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're literally saying, wait, or they were saying, wait until you're turning blue or you know, you can't breathe, having difficulty breathing, and then come into the hospital.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of doing that, they're saying as soon as the symptoms appear and you know that this is COVID-19, begin the treatment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'll say that um, so this group of doctors doing this, and other individuals are also standing up, these other individuals who are in the trenches.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I have a family member here in Virginia.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's a nurse, and she and one of the doctors that she works for um got really tired of having patients die based on the approved, the government-approved protocol.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they also stood up and they've created their own um, like it's a nurse home assessment um and and follow-up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's like there's televisits with the physician.
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  SPEAKER_01: She'll actually go to the home and you know, they'll prescribe these medications that other doctors won't prescribe because they're not following the protocol.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I asked her, I said, this is a pretty, you're putting yourself in danger here, you know, like backlash, potentially losing medical license.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Why are you actually doing this?
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is what she said to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing it to keep people out of the hospital and out of the graves.
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  SPEAKER_01: The treatment protocols, the government treatment protocols, are by and large ineffective.
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  SPEAKER_01: The hospitals are understaffed and unable to provide adequate care.
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  SPEAKER_01: Patients are isolated from families, which is incredibly, incredibly harmful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And by the time someone is admitted to the hospital, they're already very ill.
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  SPEAKER_01: Early treatment is key at preventing hospitalization and death.
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  SPEAKER_01: So another example of a group that's saying, uh, you know, people who are standing up and saying, we can, um, you're you are more powerful than you actually think.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need to get the message out that early treatment works and we need to start offering it to people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, so what you're saying is, you I mean, there's a there's a kind of an emotional uh stigma to whatever, thinking you're really sick early.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you oh well, you know, I just I'm not feeling good.
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  SPEAKER_00: This will pass, that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what you're saying is that this group is saying, um, you know, uh uh don't just don't just sit on your hands and think it'll go away, uh, be aggressive with it and um you know and jump on it early, uh as a as opposed to what the CDC says, you know, um uh you know, stay home and when you can't walk, come to the hospital.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, that basically, and they're showing that at least in the treatment plan that they have chosen to use this early treatment plan, they're showing that it works.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, I mean, 99.99% survival rate is by far better than than what the current protocol is for, you know, the government protocol.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: And again, um, you know, so you don't have to be a supporter of this this method to think that this is good news, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not everybody has to follow the same methodology in treating different illnesses.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I also um am a big supporter of early treatment.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: So when we, when my first when my family first came down with COVID and the early symptoms, we immediately began, you know, different herbal remedies and vitamin C, and you name it, you know, we already did a whole podcast about what we did, but it was it was early treatment and we also focused on prevention, you know.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: So early treatment to me is always a good idea.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a matter of what path you want to take.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's no judgment on which path, but they're showing that they, people who are choosing the Western medicine, they have figured out a path that is more successful than the government proposed path.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're showing such courage and such such such strength um to stand up and do what their conscious is telling them to do.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that that's the that's that's the best part of the story is people um uh taking their own information and what what they're observing and um you know and and doing something uh and and and just not bowing to the uh whatever to the orthodoxy.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I've got a I've got a tidbit here um uh to share.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: There's a uh there's a there's a new doctor that just moved into our area, uh a medical doctor, and uh she's a she's a functional medicine doctor, and um she's offering a subscription service.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: So you pay set you pay um$75 a month, and that entitles you to walk in counsel uh to her services.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Essentially, it's a it's like a subscription, it's like a subscription um um you know uh guaranteed it's beyond insurance.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's uh you if you if you pay it forward and subscribe to me, um then uh you know you're you're you're welcome to come in anytime um and and at you know at no charge because you've you know you've basically it's almost like taking the herd share of the you know the the milkshare concept, you know, one step forward, um and and saying, if you'll if you'll invest in me, I'll invest in you.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a really, really different way of viewing um viewing, you know, uh medical advice, medical help, the relationship between you know you and a doctor, uh more as uh as we're on this team together, uh as opposed to you know, uh, I'm the expert and you're the client.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so so I'm looking forward to actually checking checking her out.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: And uh let's see, let's see what we can see what we can come up with.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's a there's another, there's a there's a mother-daughter uh uh medical team up north of us in Harrisonburg that's doing a simple uh cash only, no insurance, just just come in and uh it's cash only and and um and and it's you know it's like it's like 50 bucks an hour.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people don't realize how much um cost is taken up in a medical practice filling out paperwork.
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  SPEAKER_00: The the uh you know navigating all the insurance uh forms and paperwork often is is at least half the cost of your of the actual uh bill.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so these um these doctors that are actually stepping outside of that uh arena and offering other things is uh I think it's just a wonderful, uh wonderful idea.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope it's a trend that continues.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: I do too.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: I do too.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's um more like bringing the power back to the local level, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Down to that community level, which as we're seeing, um can is going to be very beneficial for a lot of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I like the whole idea too, if it's this personal relationship, um, you don't have all that paperwork, then um, you know, like in out things are your records are are are digitized.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um so it's possible that these uh local practitioners, um, if they're not going through insurance, you know, um, that they can actually not have your medical records digitized.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it could be bring it back to being a more private, confidential relationship between you and your health care provider.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I love that.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love, you know, the more privacy I can get, the better.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's great.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: What's uh what's your next one?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I have let me pick this one.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, um, as I said, I had many of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: But since we're going with the theme of health right now, I found a health story that I thought you might enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a part of farming that is not, at least in my circles, it's not usually talked about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I found this story.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's titled, How farming saved my body image.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, so it's about this girl.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, she gave up um competitive running, cycling.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was a triathlete.
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  SPEAKER_01: She bought with her husband, they bought a farm in Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she she said, I didn't know at the time how challenging and life-affirming growing my own food would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is what um she says.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, she said, in buying this farm, I may have actually conquered another crisis, one that I'd given up on fixing years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the age of 34, I finally love my body.
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  SPEAKER_01: She talks about how she spent years um deep into endurance sports, um, and how restrictive it was on your weight.
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  SPEAKER_01: So basically, your focus becomes on your body image.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure even those of us who are not, you know, that caliber of athlete, we can relate to this, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Body image is very important in our culture, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Think of the fashion industry and advertisements, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so this becomes a source for many of us of um not only mental health issues, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Feeling unworthy, feeling not good enough, constantly comparing ourselves to others.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this can be a relatable story to everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: She goes on to say, Meanwhile, producing my own food is the hardest endurance sport I have ever done.
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  SPEAKER_01: No level of training compares to the day-to-day, day after day after day grind of wrestling food from the earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: In September, I nearly threw up while stacking 60-pound hail bays and 110 of hail bale hay bales in 110-degree barn.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fairly sure I have a hernia from shoveling several thousand pounds of gravel.
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  SPEAKER_01: And last summer, when I posted a picture of a tiny blackberry in my palm, most of the comments were variations of holy cow, look at those calluses.
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  SPEAKER_01: She says, Today I don't care so much how my body looks as long as it performs as the tool I need it to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brute strength is the thing that I crave the most.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it helps that I'm not wearing spandex every day.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it helps that I'm no longer playing the who can throw away most of their dinner game that plagued many cycling team camps that I attended.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it helps that I fought bean beetles and powdery mildew to produce most of the calories on my plate.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe I'm just too tired to care about sucking in my belly as I'm building a fence.
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  SPEAKER_01: She says the most astonishing thing about life on a farm is that I've stopped thinking about calories altogether.
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  SPEAKER_01: A year ago, I thought there were good and bad foods.
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  SPEAKER_01: I now think that any food that I can pull from the earth, be it a turnip or a tuber, is good for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: The only bad foods are the things that won't grow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Farming is the sport that made me the most at peace with myself.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: I just love that.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's uh that that that's a great that's a great piece.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I you know, I think I think part of that, um she doesn't say it in that piece, at least the part that you read, but uh I think part of that having you know having been here and and lived my life uh on the farm is just comparison, you know, a time of comparison.
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  SPEAKER_00: The average person lives in this in this comparison where you know, even the Bible talks about uh comparing yourselves among yourselves as not wise.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um and and in other words, uh view viewing view the image of myself viewed uh um from what I see in other people.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: We we have this incredible celebrity culture, uh, then we have uh social media culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the um the the self-image, especially of young people today.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, if if if they post something and don't get a like in 10 minutes, suddenly, you know, oh the world has forgotten about me.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: They and and and so the beauty of being out here on the farm, I can I can I certainly identify with uh what this lady says.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um you're not you're not immersed every moment in in other people's uh you know other people's comparisons.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you're actually you're actually coming alongside working often alone, alone, so that you're simply you're simply doing.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're simply doing things.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and that's a that's a really uh it's a really healthy place to to to to be simply just doing things and not comparing things.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think so too.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I think um there's so much healing that can happen um as you move you know into a more you know a rural community.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you start you start to shift the focus of um not only your day-to-day, but the focus of the intent of the body, right?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: So most of us, like if we're sitting in office jobs or whatnot, we're not actually using our body to produce something like that's for survival, like food, for instance.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so it is easy to start viewing your body as more like an object, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: An object that we need to maintain to look good, to be accepted in society, because, like you said, of this comparison that we do, and we're looking for this external validation.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think one thing that probably shifted in her mindset, even though she didn't say it specifically, is that her body now had a function, it had a purpose, right?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: So she focused on something different, she shifted that attention to, you know, if my body can't do this, I'm not gonna eat, right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a completely different um understanding of the gift of health and the gift of the the abilities of the human body that most of us, I think, uh can easily take for granted when we don't have those challenges put in front of us.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh for for most folks, you know, your your body is simply a uh, you know, it's a it's a foundation platform to support this big cerebral thing, you know.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh as seeing, you know, the whole thing, the the the tool, the tool element of of leverage and your whole, you know, your whole body as being uh uh you know an interactive tool with you know with our ecological womb.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a that that's a that's a powerful thing.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'd say that uh that my next one was, you know, I just got back from um from speaking at the California Libertarian Party State Convention.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and the the fun thing there for me, uh A was a being asked, you know, I I I told him.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I I said I think that the that um that stewardship and and environmental care are an Achilles heel of the libertarian movement.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they've they've not been known for um for the stewardship.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I was pretty forthright and challenged them, you know, look, you know, you guys uh you gotta get on a stick here and and um and and embrace um, you know, it's easy to poo-poo the environmentalists and the EPA and all this stuff.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: That that that's easy for for to do.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: But uh the flip side of that is um you need to say, all right, if we believe in in free mark free markets, um and and the value of ideas, let's uh let's us uh be the the party of um of creation care and stewardship abundance.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: And how do we how do we do that?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was it was fun to um to talk to them.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: The the the fun, the interesting part was that um that they they like you and I uh in the political arena see us in a very uh just you know um different time where the lack of the lack of trust in everything is increasing.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I I think that in general that's a that's good news to uh appreciate that people's trust in the orthodox expert opinion, in the in the mass uh the the mass media, the the uh the orthodox narrative, um all of that is being shattered.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of people are coming to this.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was something uh, you know, there were there were numerous uh first timers who who finally They didn't feel like they had a home, and they finally um, you know, uh came to this.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: There are so the the one little interesting statistic was that uh that democrats and republicans, people, if you say, Are you a democrat or you're a republican?
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: That those people who identify that now are only in the 20 percent.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um only in the 20 percent.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh in other words, just like just like in religion, we're seeing uh a huge climb in in the nunners, you know, I'm a I'm a nun.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um we're we're we're seeing that in the political class too.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a nunner.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I don't identify with with either one of them.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: And uh now you you might tend toward the socialist uh um you know part, or you might tend toward the libertarian part, you know, on the opposite ends of the spectrum.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is that the old Republican Democrat institutions, uh, there are fewer and fewer people that are willing to step forward and say, yes, you know, I'm a Democrat, yes, I'm a Republican.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, I think that's great news.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think it shows that that people are starting to um you know to think for themselves and and and explore, explore some new uh ideas, new possibilities.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and you know, one of my messages was the the most the greatest wealth in a culture is is its ideas.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And and so um so it was it was good to good to go and and be with folks who um who absolutely across the board were questioning um were questioning things and and and were were willing to to truly embrace ideas, uh not ideas that fit in their you know in their in their paradigm.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, you know, the libertarian problem is they're all mavericks, bunch of loose canons.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's really it's really hard to, you know, to hard hard to get cohesiveness.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um but but but but I found I I found that that kind of universal idea that we that we question, um, it's it's good to it's it's good to stimulate that kind of questioning.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely love that because you know I don't identify either as a Republican or a Democrat.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it really resonates with me where they're coming from.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's great news.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's probably the best news actually out of this whole podcast.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I think that when you do, when we have this two-party system, it's very divisive, right?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you don't even have to a lot, it seems as though it's when someone finds out, like, oh yeah, I'm a Republican or oh, I'm a Democrat.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you aren't in that party, there's this instant tension, right?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because like, okay, we're different, right?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so you tend to focus on the differences when we're actually more similar than we are different.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's reminding me that some of the founders, like Washington, they warned us about the two-party system would be the death of our country.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So this is really good news because if we can get past these labels, uh, these political labels, and and see each other as individuals first, and then it takes away some of the emotional component to it, right?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: It calms down your nervous system.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you can have more of these rational discussions to try to compromise and come up with solutions and like you said, think outside the box.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: But so I'm curious when you um proposed that part of the platform be, you know, taking care of the ecosystem, was it received well or how did they receive it?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, they they received it extremely well.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I kind of uh I kind of titled my speech uh Ann Ann Rand Meets uh Rachel Carson.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: And and and they did.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think um the comments that I got back certainly were uh yes, we have not done this well.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we we we we are viewed more as poo-pooers and exploiters rather than um rather than embracers of of um whatever authentic abundance and and how do we protect that and and and the local.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um they've they've consistently you know wanted to uh protect the right of, for example, Monsanto to do GMOs, and and I'm actually okay with that.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: But on the flip side, uh I I want to make sure that that if if GMO um uh contamination comes onto my farm, that the that that GMO is held account, that uh Monsanto is held accountable for their uh trespass.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and that that and that has not been a place where the libertarians have um have have gone forward.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was uh it was it was in general a very uh a very positive time.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and my message was well received.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I you know I I do it with a little bit of humor and a little bit of smiles, and and that goes on.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I listen, Asina, I have all I have always been a believer in a in a multi-party system.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um you you you just hit the nail on the head that when there's only two choices, it tends to be way more divisive.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: But but actually, you know, I've traveled a lot in Europe, you know, where there's like five, six, seven parties, you know, and and people don't hold it on their sleeve like they do here.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, you're one of the, you know, you're one of those.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and and um and and there's a there's just a lot more, whatever, um uh free, I don't want to say free for all, but it, but it it it's it's a much more communal thing, um uh there than it is here, where we just have these two things.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think we'd be much better uh to have you know three, four, five uh parties where let's say the winner gets, you know, winner gets 30 or 35 percent.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Suddenly, you know, they wouldn't have this mandate to come in and you know and and change everything.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh and so I I think the choice, uh, additional choice would um would would change things.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so no, uh uh people who know me know I've voted libertarian uh most of my life, and I don't consider it throwing my vote away.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I consider it trying in investing in additional choice.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and so uh that that's where I am, not not to get all too too political, but I I I just think that preserving ideas, um, which is partly preserving choice, uh, is a you know is a powerful thing in food and farming, as well as, you know, as well as uh social, you know, social constructs.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I think we got time for one more, Cena.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: What's your what's what's another one?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I say it's about time to wrap up, but this one ties into what you're talking about.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love how you said that these people came together at this libertarian convention and they're newcomers because you're they're questioning, right?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're questioning the experts, some for the very first time.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what we need, and this will help um to you know dissolve the strength of the two-party system as well.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a story that I read about um about the non-GMO project.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, as you know, we did that recent podcast about the new bioengineered label um that came out on foods this uh this year.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And what this story was showing is that um they looked at they looked at the you know, Vermont label, you know, when Vermont came out and said we're gonna do our own label, and then that got squashed and whatnot.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they looked at the the change in the marketplace, how consumers were changing their purchases, right?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking with their dollars.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And what they found was um people resonate with the non-GMO project label.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And when the government comes in and mandates a label for GMOs, it almost makes no difference in the marketplace.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's great news because that indicates on some levels that um either the people don't care, like the people who already weren't looking for non-GMO foods, once that label got slapped on there, they they still didn't care.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not their thing, you know.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: But to some other another perspective on it is um that the people who do care, they're not trusting the government label, right?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: They've already kind of opened their eyes to the labeling loopholes and fallacies and backdoor deals and whatnot, but they are trusting um a third party independent organization, the non-GMO project.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I would much rather trust, or if you know, if I'm gonna go into the grocery store and I'm trying to avoid GMOs, I would hands down every time put my trust in a third-party independent organization over the government, right?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the government doesn't seem to have any um there's no repercussions when they make mistakes or they form these backdoor deals or, you know, but that independent third party company, they have a lot at stake, right?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: If they make a mistake, um we pull, we pull our dollars from them and the company falls, you know.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I think this is great news because to me it is indicating that people have shifted their trust and they're looking for some some options to find clean foods for their families that are outside of the government regulations.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: That is that is great great news.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it and it shows that uh that the um the uh the the populace, if you will, uh there there are more and more people that are having these discussions and that are waking up.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think that um that one of the key things that this whole kind of disturbing cultural time uh go uh is is stimulating is uh people are you know more concerned about their about their health.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um just just because just because look, you know, if you if you have to flee to the hills, if you have to flee to the farm, if you've got a you know, if if you've got a uh um what disentangle from the system, the one thing you don't want to lose is your health.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to be out here uh um you know struggling in your health.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that that whole conversation has been stimulated and it's been a been a really good thing.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, great.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: See, you know, uh this has been uh this has been great, uh good news, tidbits, and uh it's great that there's uh a continual flow of good news coming in.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we thank everybody for joining in today and look forward to seeing you on the next podcast, Beyond Labels.