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What the Bible Really Says About Money, Identity, and Trusting God · Relish: a Christian podcast

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  Relish pleasing or zestful flavor a quantity
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  just sufficient to flavor to be pleased or
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  gratified by enjoy we are hoping that what
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  we bring to your table today might add some spice to your life ladies and gentlemen
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  welcome back to another episode of relish i am rowan miller and this is don
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  patterson don how are you doing i am here i am present yeah i am good yeah just
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  getting through these busy winter months.
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  Yes, and we're coming close to the holidays.
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  We are. What fun, what joy. Get to see your family and enjoy Christmas season. Yes.
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  Grandkids make Christmas worth it. Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
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  If you don't think you enjoy the holiday, wait till you have grandkids.
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  Yeah, that's fine. I guess I have quite a bit of waiting.
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  Good thing I enjoy it now anyway. There you go.
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  Oh, yeah. You're right. You've got a ways to go. Here's my cards. Okay.
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  I start with a question for you. All right. What character in the Bible is most like you?
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  That's biblical comparison. Yeah. Most like you and why? See, it says why.
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  I would have to say Samson because he is super strong. Oh, yeah.
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  No. So, um, had the eye for the girls.
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  Okay. I don't know. This is tough. It is. Uh,
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  I'm going to think on this one. Okay. I don't think I would.
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  I'm pretty sure I've got mine down.
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  I think I'm most like Peter. Peter? Because he was outspoken.
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  I can be outspoken. And a little bold.
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  There's a couple of times he speaks before he thinks.
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  And I've been known to do that at times.
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  And then some, once in a while, you'll notice in Acts.
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  And then when Paul comes around and talks to him again later on, I think it's Galatians.
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  And Paul has to get him back on task again Because he's sort of wandered off
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  Especially on the subject of,
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  Whether you eat kosher or not So I'm afraid I will confess that I'm most likely Like Peter,
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  Whether it's a good thing or not.
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  Interesting Interesting. Yeah. Well, we'll jump into our questions here for you.
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  Okay. So we'll start with the first one.
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  How does the Lord tell us to handle our finances? Carefully.
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  How about our debts and investments?
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  Yeah, just finances in general. If you go back to the Old Testament,
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  it basically says you don't borrow because in borrowing, you become a slave to the lender.
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  Boy, I wish I could get that one right out of the top of my head It's in the
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  Mosaic Law And I think it's in Leviticus.
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  And so it's one of those things that he'd say You know, take care of your finances
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  But don't be dependent on anybody else In fact, there's quite a nudge To make sure that you have,
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  Got a pretty solid base So that
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  you're able to give to others And not be needing to be given to Right?
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  And to the point that he has a lot more to say to those who are landowners and
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  those who have goods, because there's stipulations as to how when you harvest your field,
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  you need to leave a little bit left behind, right?
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  So those who are less fortunate can come and pick it up.
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  And that would be there. It's as if be successful and be able to share with others. Yeah.
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  And, uh, and don't, yeah, don't be a servant.
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  Uh, yeah, he doesn't, it's, you take care of your servants if you have servants.
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  So I think the nudge is to be financially stable and work really hard at being financially stable.
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  That being said, when Jesus comes on the scene, he's saying,
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  especially Matthew chapter 6 comes to my mind first, don't be a lover of money
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  and pile up your riches in heaven.
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  So that means it's a different mindset. You use all your gifts and abilities for kingdom reasons.
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  Yeah, make money, but money's not the end game.
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  Serving the kingdoms the end game of all your finances so.
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  That's fairly consistent with the Old Testament all God asks is a tithe that's
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  10% that's not bad all right,
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  That's what he asks of your money, but then he wants your whole heart. That's true.
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  I mean, that is the lordship of God.
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  I think we mistake lordship because we think lordship is, okay, yeah, he's my God.
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  Big deal. And basically what Jesus was trying to say is, love the Lord your
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  God with all your heart, not 50%, not 10%, with all your heart.
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  All your soul, all your mind, and Mark would have all your strength.
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  Right, Samson. And then he'd say, the second is like unto it,
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  love your neighbor as yourself.
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  So he puts the lordship of God very high in that economy.
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  So when you talk about economics and finances, finances and economics are a
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  way to get things done in the kingdom.
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  It's needed, it's necessary, but it's not priority.
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  It's secondary to the lordship of Christ, the lordship of God in your life.
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  So it, now, did I answer your question? You did, but I'm a...
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  Circle back around Don. Yeah. I mean, come back to the debts part.
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  Cause yeah. So we're not supposed to make ourselves a slave to the lender,
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  but, um, like when you're buying a house or a farmer with land,
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  I mean, it's, it's not almost impossible not to get a loan. That's right.
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  So like, it's a necessary evil, I guess.
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  Okay. We can't get around without it. Um, and, uh, There's some businesses that
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  operate solely on the amount that they can borrow.
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  That's not exactly what God was telling us to do.
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  But I think at least if we take the Old Testament example seriously,
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  that means don't go over a whole hog into debt, reminding yourself that all
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  that money that you have, that you got from somebody else,
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  not only is their money, but you have to add to them a little bit.
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  And among the Jews, what's interesting is usury was outlawed.
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  You couldn't, you know, if you're a Jew and I'm a Jew, I'd lend you money,
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  but I can't charge you interest.
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  Well, that's not the way our financial system is set up. I go down to the bank
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  and they make sure that I pay interest.
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  Yeah, nobody would want to lend money. Nobody would want to lend money.
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  So that probably lowered the banking system among the Jews, you know, that being the case.
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  Today, it's different. Everything's based on what you're able to get in a loan.
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  Liquidity, then, is another thing. Yeah, we don't have to get into the whole economics.
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  How did your thing go with your class that you were doing the stock market?
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  Stock market game, it was all right. It wasn't. You didn't win?
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  No, I didn't win. You didn't? Not even for the Hillcrest Bunch,
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  you didn't win. No, somebody else from the church won. Beckett did.
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  Really? Yeah. Our Beckett. For our school. Oh, Beckett. Good deal.
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  He was like sixth in the state, maybe.
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  Are you serious? I don't think so.
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  Beckett, I hope you're watching. God bless you.
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  Okay. Yeah, we had an unfortunate time span because the government was shut down for three weeks.
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  That didn't help us out any, but.
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  Okay. But you learned how a government shutdown affects the stock market. Right.
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  And theoretically it shouldn't, but it does. It does.
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  Yeah. Even a good sneeze of the president can affect his stock market. Right.
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  That's the world we live in. Yep. This might be more of a shorter answer,
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  but I mean, we'll see if you turn it into a long one.
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  But if I turn it into a long one, yeah.
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  Did Mary experience a painful labor with Jesus?
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  I, yeah.
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  I see nothing in scripture that would say, but I'm sure God walked with her through it.
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  All right. I imagine she had the same pain any woman would have with labor.
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  And Jesus, what's interesting is later Jesus talks about a woman in childbirth
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  and uses it as an illustration.
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  Makes me wonder if Mary said, and kid, you know how much labor you have in you.
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  And that might be, that's why Jesus, you know, the oldest of the kids would
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  have heard that and said, okay, or watched his mom with other kids that she
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  was having and understand that there's a lot of pain in childbirth.
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  I would venture to say it was a normal birth and it was painful.
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  But part of the reward is knowing that God was there. This was a heavenly mission,
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  if you will, and God was going to be present in it.
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  Yeah. But probably not painless.
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  Yeah. You wouldn't think so, but you'd think if it was painless,
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  then it'd be maybe written somewhere.
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  I would think that it would stand out that way. Right.
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  And giving birth to the Son of Almighty God would have its own ramifications it's just different,
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  not that it was bigger yeah my mind goes in lots of different ways there but
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  I can't imagine that it would be painless.
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  Yeah. Mainly, you know, part of that is the Genesis 3 account would say that
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  there's going to be pain in childbirth.
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  And so it acknowledges that from the very beginning, first child being born.
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  So I doubt if it was painless. Yeah. That was supposed to be a fast one and
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  I stretched it a bit. That was fun.
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  You got to give some reason for your answer.
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  Oh, yeah. That's true. you can't just say no like because i wouldn't help anybody
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  i guess i could have said no but i yeah i wasn't going for the short answer
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  today i guess yeah yeah all right um in luke 2 51 to 52,
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  why is he capitalized but not all the time oh yeah which maybe you want to say
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  why It also depends on which translation you're using.
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  You're looking at, are you a ESV?
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  I have CSB. Okay, CSB, yeah.
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  And 51, 52, oh yeah.
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  This is just one part I think that was noticed. Well, one of the things we have
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  going on with translators, And CSB does a little better than the NIV.
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  NIV usually just continues to make it a lowercase all the way through.
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  And that being said, it's consistent.
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  Yeah. Doesn't mean it's right. But if you go highercase, that means that you are using it for God.
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  Okay. And...
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  So you have made the assumption that the he, participle, it's a participle,
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  it's not the entire word, it's participle used, is for Jesus.
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  And so the places that they can be absolutely sure that it does reference back to Jesus are.
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  I like the way a CSB does because it capitalizes it. Yeah.
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  If there's any ambiguity that it is Jesus to whom it's talking,
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  then the CSB will go to lowercase.
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  Interesting. Whereas NIV, all of them lowercase.
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  And you sort of go, well, be that way. You're not even going to capitalize it
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  when you know it's Jesus.
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  Right. And that's, yeah. So it's part of the approach of the translator to the text.
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  The texts are the same.
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  CSB, what CSB is using, what NIV is using, the texts are the same.
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  But it's the approach to the translation that made the difference.
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  When CSB is sure that it's talking about Jesus or God, it will be capitalized.
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  The participle, the personal pronoun will be capitalized.
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  Interesting. Yeah. So that makes it a little fuzzy at times,
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  but that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I like the CSV. It reads nice. It does.
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  But I have my memorization in NIV, and when I go back and forth, it just messes me up.
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  Yeah, it does. I've noticed that several times.
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  Because most of the bio-memory that we do is in NIV. Yeah.
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  All way back when you did. Bible. Oh, yeah. Way back, yeah.
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  Three and a half years. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Do you like the red letter Bibles for Jesus' spoken word?
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  And most of the time they get it right.
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  Most of the time the red letter Bibles do emphasize the exact words Jesus was talking about.
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  And there's actually some Christians, they call them red letter Christians,
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  that only read the red letters.
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  Huh? Believing that what came across the lips of Jesus was more important than
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  any other part of the text.
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  Well, there's certain credence to that. The exception is, if you don't read
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  the black letters, how do you know the context of the red letters? Right.
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  And so then you don't get the rest of the story.
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  So, red letters, fine. I do like to be able to read the Bible in such a way
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  that when I come to a personal statement,
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  like whether it's Jesus talking or Paul talking or Peter talking,
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  I realize that is somebody verbally communicating.
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  That means it probably stands a little higher than the rest of the text because
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  it's their words, what they actually said.
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  So I like to read the Bible that
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  way so that I can sort of be in the conversation, I guess, as a listener.
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  I like that. I mean, And to me, it makes scripture more exciting to know that it was spoken.
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  Yeah. Yeah. So, red letter? Yeah, that's all right.
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  It really doesn't have to be red letter for me to. If it was just red letters,
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  would you know that Jesus fed 5,000 people? Not all the time.
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  No. Yeah. 5,000 wouldn't be in there because he didn't say, I am going to feed
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  5,000 people. No, that's not there. Right.
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  Yeah. He'll say, no, what do you have? and then he'll and it doesn't say the
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  words that he said when he prayed for it we don't have that recorded right,
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  so yeah it's yeah I mean I wouldn't limit myself to a red letter text mm-hmm.
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  I won't beat you up if you do. So you said, you mentioned sometimes if it's
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  a red letter Bible, then some of the stuff that's red shouldn't be red or stuff that.
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  The red should be red, but you should read the black with context to the red.
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  Otherwise, like you said, you gave a really good illustration, the feeding of 5,000.
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  Jesus never said he fed 5,000. But the text behind it does, and it describes
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  the boy and the two loaves and,
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  no, two fish and five loaves and the 5,000 people.
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  You don't get any of those details if you just read the red. Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, but it's a way of doing things. I'm just glad when people finally get
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  in the Word. Yeah. And maybe memorize it once in a while.
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  Yeah, red letters can be a discussion later down the road, but. You're upside. Okay.
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  As long as we don't need it right now, we're good.
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  I need bigger ones, I guess.
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  Yeah. What are the pants called? What was the name that you always mention?
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  Oh, barn door britches. Those have big enough pockets? No. No,
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  no. No, they don't have big enough pockets.
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  Can verify that. Yeah. I was thinking about your first question for me.
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  Yes. And I do not have anything.
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  I have mental block right now. Mental block? Yeah. Well.
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  I don't know if I know myself well enough or some of the other characters in
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  the Bible quite well enough. But did anything come to mind for you about, about.
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  Well, it's had a little thought of Gideon.
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  You know, you were sort of Gideon when I called you to this and said, what?
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  Will you do this? Well, I'll try. Yeah. We'll give it a try.
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  And so you sort of Gideon, you didn't put a sheep's thing out though.
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  That's true. I didn't. You didn't put a fleece out.
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  So you're, you're probably a little above Gideon, you know, he used that fleece more than once.
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  To get the idea, are you really calling me this, God? Yeah.
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  But that's one. There's a, yeah.
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  I guess I hadn't thought about it for you, but that Gideon thing came right
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  away. I just wonder if there was anything came to mind and, yeah.
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  Awesome what came yeah cool yeah
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  i think that about wraps it up for us then okay yeah
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  you're in charge thank you guys for thank you guys for tuning in
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  thank you don for bringing us some
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  Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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  All right. Well, it's been that kind of day. God bless you.
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