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Sharri | 30 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks James, and good evening.
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Speaker 3: The Interim Report and the Royal Commission proves what Australia's
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Speaker 3: Jewish community already knew that there were serious security failures.
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Speaker 2: At the time of the Bondaie attack. I'll unpack the.
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Speaker 3: Report in a moment, plus Julie and Lisa, Matt Canavan
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Speaker 3: and Peter Jennings will share their analysis. Heartbreak right across
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Speaker 3: Australia after police found the body of the little five
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Speaker 3: year old. We've been covering this devastating case all week
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Speaker 3: and we'll cross live to Alice Springs. William Mendes has
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Speaker 3: the latest on this tragedy, and the Israeli Navy has
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Speaker 3: intercepted another Garza flotilla, but you won't believe what they
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Speaker 3: found on board that with Sharen Haskell a little later,
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Speaker 3: first tonight. The Interim Report and the Royal Commission paints
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Speaker 3: a devastating picture. I've counted terrors being deprioritized under the
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Speaker 3: Albanese government and of intelligence agencies and law enforcement failing
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Speaker 3: to share critical information with each other that could have
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Speaker 3: alerted them to the Acrams at the precise moment when
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Speaker 3: the terror threat level was raised to probable and antisemitism
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Speaker 3: was escalating, the Albanesi government was downgrading its counter terror response.
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Speaker 3: It did this in four ways, the most critical of
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Speaker 3: which was cutting funding. The interim report, which Commissioner Virginia
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Speaker 3: Bell handed to the Governor General today states, upon review
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Speaker 3: of classified material, the Commission has observed that despite this
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Speaker 3: overall increase, the proportion of funding allocated to counter terrorism
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Speaker 3: significantly declined across the national intelligence community over the period
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Speaker 3: from twenty twenty to twenty twenty five. A question for
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Speaker 3: examination will be whether the resourcing counter terrorism in respect
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Speaker 3: of ASIO specifically and in respect of the national intelligence
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Speaker 3: community more generally was adequate in the deteriorating security environment,
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Speaker 3: including Hermuss's attacks on Israel and reflected in the raising
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Speaker 3: of the national terrorism threat level to probable. And it
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Speaker 3: says the Royal Commission, as it goes on, will inquire
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Speaker 3: further into this critical funding and resources issue. The report
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Speaker 3: found that the Albanesi government downgraded the role of counter
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Speaker 3: Terrorism Director to part time.
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Speaker 2: I told you this last night.
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Speaker 3: It also failed to update the counter Terrorism Handbook since
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and the Albanese government had failed to hold
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Speaker 3: a counter terror exercise at the National Security Committee of Cabinet.
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Speaker 3: Now I mentioned some of these recommendations here first last night,
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Speaker 3: and as I predicted, the report does recommend making the
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Speaker 3: counter Terrorism Coordinate a full time role. Now Tony Abbott
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Speaker 3: created this position in twenty fifteen to coordinate counter terror
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Speaker 3: efforts and for the role to be the single authoritative
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Speaker 3: point of contact and accountability, but under the Albanese government
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Speaker 3: it extraordinarily became a part time role. The report states,
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Speaker 3: in light of the terrorist attack in Bondai, and given
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Speaker 3: the importance of the coordination work and convening role of
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Speaker 3: the ct Coordinator, consideration should be given to the role
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Speaker 3: being undertaken on a full time basis. Government may also
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Speaker 3: wish to consider whether the role should be relocated to
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Speaker 3: PERM and C for the convening power it brings. I
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Speaker 3: also told you last night that the Albanezi government's National
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Speaker 3: Security Committee of Cabinet had failed to hold a counter
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Speaker 3: terror exercise as has been conducted in previous governments, and
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Speaker 3: the report recommends the Australian guns should consider whether the
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Speaker 3: National Security Committee ministers, including the Prime Minister, should participate
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Speaker 3: in a counter terror exercise along with all national cabinet
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Speaker 3: members within nine months of each federal election. And the
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Speaker 3: report found that the counter Terrorism Handbook, which provides important
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Speaker 3: operational and governance guidance to agencies, was only last substantively
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Speaker 3: updated in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 2: So you get this bigger picture that.
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Speaker 3: This crucial area was being deprioritized, defunded, and downgraded at
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Speaker 3: the precise time the terror threat level was escalating, particularly
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Speaker 3: in the Jewish community. And many, if not most, of
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Speaker 3: the recommendations in this interim report go to improving the
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Speaker 3: counter terrorism architecture within the Albanesi government. Now, the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister held a press conference today about the interim report.
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Speaker 3: He kind of acted proud of it and glossed over
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Speaker 3: the fact that he and Tony Burke had strongly resisted
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Speaker 3: a royal commission.
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Speaker 4: Now, no one can tell me that that is in
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Speaker 4: the interests of unity to replatform some of the worst voices,
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Speaker 4: But a royal commission by definition does that and does
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Speaker 4: that publicly.
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Speaker 5: Where royal commissions are not as good is to consider
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Speaker 5: things that are not agreed, where people have differences of views,
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Speaker 5: and to enable which is what it would do, a
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Speaker 5: repetition of some of the worst elements as the minister
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Speaker 5: has said so.
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Speaker 3: That was on the twenty ninth of December, when they
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Speaker 3: were arguing against a royal commission, every reason under the
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Speaker 3: sun why it shouldn't happen. It took twenty one days
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Speaker 3: from when Josh Friedenberg first demanded a royal commission at
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Speaker 3: Bondi at the memorial site on December seventeenth. Albanese finally
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Speaker 3: succumbed to public pressure and announced it on January eighth.
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Speaker 3: And today they didn't give journalists a chance to read
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Speaker 3: the report before their press conference, so there couldn't be
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Speaker 3: any proper questions, any proper interrogation about any of the
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Speaker 3: important issues dealt with in the report that I've raised
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Speaker 3: tonight now. Albanese was asked about the safety of the
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Speaker 3: Jewish community and the issue of antisemitism, but he didn't
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Speaker 3: want to speak to that. He wanted to pass the
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Speaker 3: buck to New South Wales.
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Speaker 6: Doesn't this basically make an mission that governments have failed
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Speaker 6: to properly respond to rising anti semitism concerns And it's
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Speaker 6: basically a mission that the government still hasn't done enough
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Speaker 6: to deal with rising antisemitism.
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Speaker 5: If this is still a concern, no, well that to
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Speaker 5: recommend I should clearly or the New South Wales government.
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Speaker 6: Which the government's role to deal anti.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: You get to ask the question and then I get
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Speaker 5: to answer it. So how the system works.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't like being pushed there and his answer
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Speaker 3: didn't inspire confidence. The most critical area of the interim
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Speaker 3: report today in terms of preventing a future terror attack
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Speaker 3: is information flow between the agencies. I've spoken about this
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Speaker 3: last night and previously. The lack of information flow and
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Speaker 3: information sharing between the agencies played a significant role in
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Speaker 3: the Bondai terror attack, and the report has a specific
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Speaker 3: section on inflammation on information flows and the agencies admit
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Speaker 3: they have got it wrong.
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Speaker 2: Read this quote. The Commission notes that.
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Speaker 3: Neither the AFP nor New South Wales Police have given
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Speaker 3: unqualified support for the present functioning of the JCTT New Southwayes.
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Speaker 3: It is clear that the agencies involved consider there may
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Speaker 3: be room for improvement, in particular in respect of information
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Speaker 3: management and sharing, and it recommends a review of its
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Speaker 3: functioning which considers the adequacy of information sharing and the
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Speaker 3: strength of the relationship between the agencies.
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Speaker 2: And we know there's been a breakdown now.
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Speaker 3: One of the confidential sections goes even further. It speaks
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Speaker 3: to the issue that I highlighted on the show last night.
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Speaker 3: The specifics are only in the classified section of the
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Speaker 3: report that the Autcrams traveled to a terror hotspot in
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Speaker 3: the Southern Philippines in the months before the event, but
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Speaker 3: this information was not passed on to New South Wales
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Speaker 3: Police or ASIO. But the unredacted version does state in
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Speaker 3: a general sense, under a section called alerts to intelligence
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Speaker 3: and law enforcement agencies about a traveler's movements that m
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Speaker 3: affairs specifically, the Australian Border Force administers multiple travel alert
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Speaker 3: systems at the Commonwealth level which can be used to
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Speaker 3: inform law enforcement and intelligence agencies about international movements of
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Speaker 3: persons of interest. Now the rest after that is confidential.
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Speaker 3: It's classified, has been redacted, but given the information I've
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Speaker 3: exclusively reported, you can read between the lines there. Now
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Speaker 3: I know a lot about this because I've been investigating
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Speaker 3: it for our book, the book I'm writing with Alex
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Speaker 3: Ripchen on cod Bond Eyed Terror, and we've been investigating
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Speaker 3: what intelligence agencies and law enforcement knew about the Acrams
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Speaker 3: before the terror attack. And I've got a lot more
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Speaker 3: information than is in the Role Commission's interim report today. Now,
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Speaker 3: two of the recommendations that are public separate to that
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Speaker 3: relate to gun reform. One recommendation is for consists instancy
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Speaker 3: in firearms regulation in Australia because they say that unmonitored
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Speaker 3: borders make it easy for people and firearms to move
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Speaker 3: between jurisdictions with ease. The second relates to prioritizing efforts
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Speaker 3: to implement the National Gun Buyback Scheme. It's a purchase
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Speaker 3: surplus newly banned and illegal firearms. But here's another important area.
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Speaker 3: The report also says it's important that law enforcement and
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Speaker 3: intelligence agencies have access to firearms data to improve the
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Speaker 3: chances of detecting terror attacks before they occur. Now, judging
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Speaker 3: from this line in the report, it seems as if
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Speaker 3: ASIO doesn't have information related to this at the moment,
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Speaker 3: and here's a quote. There appears to be no reason
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Speaker 3: why ASIO should not be given access to the National
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Speaker 3: Firearms Register.
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Speaker 2: The Commission will consider this issue further.
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Speaker 3: Now, these issues will be complicated to fix, but they
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Speaker 3: have to be dealt with. Premier Chris Min spoke today
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Speaker 3: as well and he made powerful comments about anti Semitism.
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Speaker 8: Well, we can't do anything about yesterday we have to
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Speaker 8: do everything possible about tomorrow to bring about the kind
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Speaker 8: of change to the law and the culture in our
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Speaker 8: community to stop hate from spilling into violence in Australia's
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Speaker 8: largest city.
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Speaker 3: Very strong words, but the report raised grave resourcing errors
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Speaker 3: from New South Wales police. It's a story I've repeatedly
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Speaker 3: covered and these errors likely cost lives. Now I first
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Speaker 3: reported this next fact just four days after the terror attack. Well,
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Speaker 3: this come says, I can now reveal more information about
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Speaker 3: the failures leading up to the Kinniker event. Here on Sunday,
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Speaker 3: I'm told that Jewish community and security groups had asked
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Speaker 3: for more police resourcing ahead of the Khanka at the
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Speaker 3: Bay event, and this included static what's known as static
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Speaker 3: or on site police rather than only roaming police. And
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Speaker 3: the Jewish Security Group CSG had also previously asked to
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Speaker 3: be armed at events like this which were considered high risk.
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Speaker 2: Now I understand.
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Speaker 3: Both of these requests were refused, and the Royal Commission
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Speaker 3: report today confirms this and goes into even more detail.
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Speaker 3: So it refers to the CSG. I said it there,
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Speaker 3: that's the Jewish Community.
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Speaker 2: Volunteer Security Group.
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Speaker 3: Now, the interim report today states CSG New South Wales
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Speaker 3: passed on its threat assessment to New South Wales Police
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Speaker 3: on eight December, characterizing its threat rating as high and
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Speaker 3: stating a terrorist attack against the New South Wales Jewish
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Speaker 3: community is likely and there's a high level of anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic vilification.
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Speaker 2: The email went on.
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Speaker 3: To state that CSG was requesting deployment of resources for
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Speaker 3: the entirety of the event, including for Knakah by the Sea.
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Speaker 3: CSG stated that it was advised in a telephone call
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Speaker 3: on ten or eleven December by an officer of New
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Speaker 3: South Wales Police that New Southwales Police could not provide
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Speaker 3: static resources for Hanaka by the Sea, but that Eastern
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Speaker 3: Suburbs pac would provide mobile patrols with taskings to check
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Speaker 3: in and monitor the event. So precise confirmation of what
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Speaker 3: I told you just four days after Bondai. So had
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Speaker 3: there been more police on the ground as the Jewish
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Speaker 3: community requested, it's unavoidable the shooter might have been taken
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Speaker 3: down earlier. Fewer lives might have been lost. These are
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Speaker 3: the lessons, the hard lessons that are coming out of
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Speaker 3: the Royal Commission into the deadliest terror attack in Australia's history.
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Speaker 3: This is very hard for the families of the victims,
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Speaker 3: of those who lost their lives at Bondai to hear,
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Speaker 3: to read, to learn about the errors.
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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes.
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Speaker 3: But we have to learn from the mistakes to make
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Speaker 3: sure or reduce the risk of this happening again. It
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Speaker 3: is vital and this is just the start. There's much
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Speaker 3: more to come now for more analysis on this. Joining
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Speaker 3: me now is Shadow Education and Indigenous Australians Minister Julian.
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Speaker 2: Lisa Julian, thanks for being here. Good to be with you, Shari.
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Speaker 2: What were your takeouts from the report today?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think we have to remember this is a
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Speaker 9: report of a royal commission that the Prime Minister never
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Speaker 9: wanted to have and it's obvious why this royal commission
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Speaker 9: has uncovered serious failings among the Albanese government. It said
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Speaker 9: that the National Security Committee of Cabinet, the highest security
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Speaker 9: body in our country, chaired by the Prime Minister himself,
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Speaker 9: not match fit. It's criticized decisions of the government to
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Speaker 9: reduce funding at the very time that counter terrorism levels
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Speaker 9: were increased. It's also criticized the fact we've gone from
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Speaker 9: a full time canter Terrorism Commissioner to a part time
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Speaker 9: Counter Terrorism Commissioner. In fact, it found that the actions
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Speaker 9: of the government were so shambolic that they didn't use
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Speaker 9: the normal committee, the national coordination mechanism that would be
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Speaker 9: used for this. Instead they used a committee that's normally
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Speaker 9: engaged in strategy and policy. So there are really serious
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Speaker 9: takeouts from there. The point that you made about the
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Speaker 9: Joint Caunter Terrorism Committee and the issues around New South
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Speaker 9: Wales and the Commonwealth sharing information is very important as well.
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Speaker 9: This obviously is the first chapter in the in the
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Speaker 9: Royal Commission. On Monday, we're going to hear live testimony
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Speaker 9: from community leaders and Jewish people more broadly about some
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Speaker 9: of the incidences that they've been facing over the last
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Speaker 9: few years. But I think this is a very very
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Speaker 9: important interim report.
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Speaker 2: I think it is.
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Speaker 3: You know, it was written in a calm and clinical way,
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Speaker 3: but the facts and the way it starts with outlining
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Speaker 3: how the terror threat level had been raised, all the
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Speaker 3: public statements made from AZIO, from the Director General Mike
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Speaker 3: Burgess about anti Semitism being the greatest threat to life
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Speaker 3: in Australia. I mean, the Royal Commission lays all that
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Speaker 3: out and then looks at what the Albaneze government was doing,
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Speaker 3: and as I said, and as you've just said, they
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Speaker 3: were defunding, deprioritizing, downgrade encountered terrorism.
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Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister today he didn't.
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Speaker 3: Let journal you know, they table the report and called
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Speaker 3: the press conference, so journalists had no idea about any
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Speaker 3: of this, and it was a terrible press conference because
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Speaker 3: they couldn't be held to account.
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Speaker 9: I think that's right. I thought it was strange that
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Speaker 9: he didn't allow the report to go out and then
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Speaker 9: call the press conference a little bit later. I think
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Speaker 9: he's got some further questions to answer. He should come
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Speaker 9: on your show, Sharry. No one knows more about this
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Speaker 9: issue than you do.
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Speaker 2: He why and.
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Speaker 9: Subject himself to proper questions and scrutiny. If he's got
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Speaker 9: nothing to hide, he won't.
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Speaker 3: He hasn't even responded to a request for an interview
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Speaker 3: for our books so far.
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Speaker 9: I think that's a real shame because I think he
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Speaker 9: and his government have serious questions to answer, and I
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Speaker 9: think that's what the Interim Report has demonstrated today, and
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Speaker 9: that's why this Royal Commission was really important. It's about
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Speaker 9: getting to the bottom of these situations so we don't
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Speaker 9: have another instance like Bondai. But for me, the tragedy
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Speaker 9: of what's going on now is right under the Royal
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Speaker 9: Commission's very nose. Anti Semitic incidents continue unabated, whether it's
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Speaker 9: the City of Sydney Council that is allowing public property
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Speaker 9: to be used for the purpose of people calling for
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Speaker 9: the murder of their fellow citizens, a Greek choir where
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Speaker 9: Greek people won't sing with Jews, or on Eswat Sidney
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Speaker 9: University glorifying terrorist organizations. This is all happening at the
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Speaker 9: very time that the Royal Commission is running here. So
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Speaker 9: there's a sickness in this country that has to be
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Speaker 9: dealt with, and I want to see the Royal Commission
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Speaker 9: deal with it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've spent a lot of time with the
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Speaker 3: families of the victims, as have I, and I just
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Speaker 3: can't imagine how angry and upsetting it would be to
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Speaker 3: learn of all these different failings from so many different areas,
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Speaker 3: the fact that the police didn't put enough resources on
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Speaker 3: to the fact that the federal government had downgraded focus
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Speaker 3: on counter terrorism, to the breakdown in the relationship between
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Speaker 3: the agencies that meant there wasn't a good information flow
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Speaker 3: relating to the movements of the air crams.
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Speaker 9: I think a lot of this has been speculated about
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Speaker 9: in the media over the last few months, but it's
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Speaker 9: rare that you get that speculation confirmed and confirmed in
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Speaker 9: such a clinical manner as the Royal Commission has done today.
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Speaker 9: So I think they've done people of service and hopefully
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Speaker 9: that gives some of the victims and their family some
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Speaker 9: comfort that actually these matters are being taken seriously.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Julian, I also want to ask you about this
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Speaker 3: devastating case. We've been covering it all week, this poor
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Speaker 3: little five year old girl, and we learned the devastating
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Speaker 3: news this afternoon that her body was recovered. I'm going
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Speaker 3: to a bit later or shortly with Matt Canavan play
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Speaker 3: some of the comments from police.
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Speaker 2: So she went.
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Speaker 3: Missing on Saturday night and today Thursday, you know, her
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Speaker 3: body's found. This is your portfolio, Indigenous Australians. We've seen
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Speaker 3: Leah Mendy's reporting from the home she went missing and
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Speaker 3: the terrible conditions she was living in, you know, where
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Speaker 3: people could wander in and out and that did impact
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Speaker 3: on her safety.
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Speaker 9: One of the hardest things to watch that I've ever
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Speaker 9: seen is the statement that's read by the police of
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Speaker 9: from her mother and her little brother. I think any
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Speaker 9: parent will find that very hard to watch. It's a
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Speaker 9: devastating situation. A mother who put her child to bed
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Speaker 9: thinking that the child would be safe, only to have
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Speaker 9: that child abducted. And the extraordinary courage of the mum
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Speaker 9: and the brother in their statement. It's really it's really
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Speaker 9: quite devastating and it's a beautiful statement.
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Speaker 1: But at the.
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Speaker 9: Moment, the suspect remains at large and there have been
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Speaker 9: reports in the press today that there are people who
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Speaker 9: are covering for the suspect. I want to say to
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Speaker 9: Australians who are watching this in the Northern Territory, if
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Speaker 9: you know so about the whereabouts of the suspect, you've
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Speaker 9: got to you've got to dub him into police, because
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Speaker 9: we can't afford to have other children's lives at risk too.
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Speaker 1: In the Norman.
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Speaker 3: Territory, we do have those comments from the little girl's
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Speaker 3: mother if we can play them, okay, we'll play them
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Speaker 3: a bit later in the show. It's so sad the
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Speaker 3: comment from the mum read by a family member. I
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Speaker 3: had just center price on the show last night. This
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Speaker 3: girl is in her extended family. It's her niece, and
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Speaker 3: just Center said the same thing that you said about
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Speaker 3: you know, we need to find this Jefferson lewis violent criminal.
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Speaker 3: And there are questions about why he was even on parole.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think those things will have to be answered,
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Speaker 9: but I think the key thing is to find the
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Speaker 9: suspect and to ensure that he is brought to justice,
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Speaker 9: and also to ensure that he's not able to offend
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Speaker 9: against any other children. No other family should be going
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Speaker 9: through the family the little been going through tonight.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, let's have a look at what just
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Speaker 3: sent a nampajin for price at to say.
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Speaker 7: She's our little girl. She's an aussy, she's my niece.
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Speaker 7: You know, that's the bottom line. And I know so
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Speaker 7: much of the community of feeling and reeling right now,
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Speaker 7: right across the Northern Territory, they're feeling this. I know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Julian, what about the conditions, the health conditions,
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Speaker 3: the disadvantage that did contribute to the little girl's lack
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Speaker 3: of safety. She wasn't in a house with lock doors,
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Speaker 3: you know, it was all open. There'd been a party there.
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Speaker 3: This violent criminal was seen wandering around. According to Liam
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Speaker 3: Mendy's reporting, and he then left was seen leaving holding
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Speaker 3: her hand walking away at eleven thirty. So do we
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Speaker 3: need to have more focus on these town camps as
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Speaker 3: well because that contributed to her life being put at risk.
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Speaker 9: The situation there isn't good enough. There's no doubt about that,
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Speaker 9: and I particularly want to acknowledge just enterprise. It was
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Speaker 9: a very powerful interview yesterday and she and her family
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Speaker 9: we are obviously in morning this evening, but I think
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Speaker 9: tonight what we've got to focus on is finding this perpetrator.
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Speaker 9: I think issues to do with the nature of the
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Speaker 9: town camps are for the coming days.
22:12
Speaker 2: All right, Julian Lisa, I really appreciate your time. Thank
22:16
Speaker 2: you very much for being here.
22:17
Speaker 3: Thank Sharry, all right, and we'll come back to that
22:22
Speaker 3: a bit later. Across to the Alice Springs a bit
22:25
Speaker 3: later as well with Leam Mendes. He's been doing incredible
22:29
Speaker 3: reporting of including interviewing her family members, where she was
22:34
Speaker 3: living and those conditions as well, and he has the
22:38
Speaker 3: latest from the police today. But now let's bring in
22:41
Speaker 3: National's leader Matt Canavan. Matt, I just want to stick
22:45
Speaker 3: with this topic for one moment. Look this is the
22:48
Speaker 3: outcome we were all praying wouldn't happen. What's your reaction
22:52
Speaker 3: to this news.
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Speaker 10: Okay, it's just devastating news, Shahi. You can only imagine
23:00
Speaker 10: and the sorrow that the family of this young girl
23:02
Speaker 10: going through. Of course, you've played their Jacina Price, there
23:07
Speaker 10: was a close relative of this victim. It's very very sad, shocking,
23:13
Speaker 10: tragic news, and our prayers and thoughts go out to
23:16
Speaker 10: all of the families and friends there. But I echo
23:19
Speaker 10: the comments you just had from Julian Lisa. Justice has
23:23
Speaker 10: to be done here and every epent has to be
23:25
Speaker 10: found or put towards finding this perpetrator this evil act,
23:28
Speaker 10: and anyone who's got information that should come forward because,
23:32
Speaker 10: as I say, justice has to be done for the
23:35
Speaker 10: sake of this young girl's too short life and her family.
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Speaker 2: Here were police speaking about it a bit earlier today.
23:45
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't have those comments. Apologies, we'll come back
23:48
Speaker 3: to them. Matt, I want to ask you about fuel
23:51
Speaker 3: because we heard today that China has agreed to restart
23:54
Speaker 3: jet fuel export discussions with Australian buyers.
23:57
Speaker 2: Have a look, okay, I think we maybe.
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Speaker 11: Can confirm as I have that the Chinese government is
24:10
Speaker 11: facilitating engagement with Australian businesses on jet fuel. This is
24:15
Speaker 11: an important.
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Speaker 2: Step, Matt.
24:18
Speaker 3: Obviously this is a good step to get more fuel supplay.
24:21
Speaker 3: But is it concerning that we're now relying on China
24:23
Speaker 3: for our energy security?
24:27
Speaker 10: Should concern every Australian shari that our government has had
24:30
Speaker 10: to effectively go cap in hand begging to our near
24:34
Speaker 10: neighbors for a basic essential commodity. We have an entire
24:38
Speaker 10: continent to ourselves. In fact, we have many, many more
24:41
Speaker 10: ail resources than China. China itself is not particularly rich
24:45
Speaker 10: in liquid fuels, however, they have invested in a refining
24:48
Speaker 10: industry has to rely on being supplied with those liquid
24:50
Speaker 10: fuels from the Middle East, from countries like Iran, often
24:53
Speaker 10: where they don't accord to the global sanctions against them,
24:57
Speaker 10: and so this should not There should be a massive
25:01
Speaker 10: wake up call to this. Australian government, the Labor Party
25:06
Speaker 10: has run a war on fossil fuels in its first
25:08
Speaker 10: four years. It's been had there. It is just a
25:10
Speaker 10: system run by a fool in Chris Bowen who has
25:13
Speaker 10: been off on some hydrogen fuel fantasy. Really, Chris Bowen
25:18
Speaker 10: should go and someone competent should be put in that role,
25:22
Speaker 10: who can develop our nation's resources and not have this
25:25
Speaker 10: embarrassing situation again as a country. Obviously we're in the
25:28
Speaker 10: position we're in and we're going to have to get
25:31
Speaker 10: the fuel we can in the short term from whoever
25:35
Speaker 10: takes sympathy on us. But I worry being put in
25:37
Speaker 10: this position. I mean, what is the quid pro quo
25:39
Speaker 10: here with the Chinese Communist Party When we're put in
25:44
Speaker 10: such vulnerable positions. Other countries could easily take advantage of
25:48
Speaker 10: countries put.
25:49
Speaker 1: In such a position.
25:50
Speaker 10: And this is a choice we have chosen or this government,
25:53
Speaker 10: this Labor Party government, has chosen not to develop a
25:56
Speaker 10: natural resources. They're not releasing acreage to develop oil in
25:59
Speaker 10: our areas. They've been talking for years about that need
26:03
Speaker 10: to move away from coal, oil and gas and we're
26:05
Speaker 10: now in this embarrassing situation of the country.
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Speaker 1: That's got to change.
26:08
Speaker 10: And if the Labor Party aren't going to change this,
26:10
Speaker 10: they're not going to change Energy Minister. Well, Australian people
26:13
Speaker 10: can change the Energy minister at the next election.
26:17
Speaker 3: There's no way China's just doing us a favor here.
26:19
Speaker 3: And these shoe is we never have transparency with what
26:23
Speaker 3: deals have been done, what was said in the conversations.
26:26
Speaker 3: You know, we've seen this in the past on other.
26:27
Speaker 2: Issues, Matt.
26:29
Speaker 3: The price of crude oil meanwhile, has saw to one
26:31
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty US dollars a barrel, So this is
26:33
Speaker 3: threatening to wipe out any help the fuel excise tax
26:37
Speaker 3: cut relief may have offered. And then on top of
26:40
Speaker 3: the inflation figures yesterday which showed that CPI jumped from
26:43
Speaker 3: three point seven percent to four point six percent, the
26:46
Speaker 3: highest jump in three years. I mean, we're right back
26:49
Speaker 3: in the cost of living crisis.
26:53
Speaker 10: Well, we were at a cost of living crisis before
26:55
Speaker 10: the conflict. Let's be very clear about that. Australia had
26:58
Speaker 10: the highest inflation rate in the developed world before any
27:04
Speaker 10: hostilities emerged between the United States and Iran. Now, obviously
27:10
Speaker 10: the situation has made a bad situation worse. But we're
27:14
Speaker 10: in that bad situation because the Labor Party lost control
27:17
Speaker 10: of government spending in the last budget update before the conflict.
27:20
Speaker 1: Just months before the conflict started, the Labor Party.
27:24
Speaker 10: Issued a midyear financial or Fiscal sorry Outlook report that
27:28
Speaker 10: show that government spending was up by more than fifty
27:31
Speaker 10: billion dollars cost blowouts of more than fifty billion dollars
27:34
Speaker 10: in just a six month period. Never seen anything like
27:37
Speaker 10: it before in under any government. The scale of financial
27:40
Speaker 10: mismanagement of this government has been beyond even the Whitlam governments.
27:44
Speaker 10: And that's why Australia had the highest in place rate
27:47
Speaker 10: in developed world. It's why we have the highest interest
27:49
Speaker 10: rates in the developed world now as well. So what
27:51
Speaker 10: this government has got to focus on now is being
27:54
Speaker 10: disciplined with spending, getting that under control. But all I
27:57
Speaker 10: really hear from the government is taxes. They want to
27:59
Speaker 10: put more taxes on property, taxes on investment, taxes on
28:04
Speaker 10: people who have trusts and are trying to run a business.
28:07
Speaker 1: That's not going to solve inflation.
28:09
Speaker 10: We're solving inflation will mean cutting back, tightening the government's belt,
28:13
Speaker 10: just like every Australian family has had to do in
28:15
Speaker 10: the last few years, and improving the productivity of our nation,
28:18
Speaker 10: expanding the frontier of our economic output to take pressure
28:22
Speaker 10: and heat out of the Australian economy. The government's failing
28:24
Speaker 10: on both those things. So no wonder we face the
28:28
Speaker 10: highest inflation and that we developed world.
28:30
Speaker 3: I think people forget Madam maybe they don't know that
28:32
Speaker 3: you actually have an economics degree from memory. Do you
28:37
Speaker 3: think there are concerns that we're heading into a period
28:40
Speaker 3: of stagflation.
28:42
Speaker 2: Or a recession?
28:44
Speaker 3: Two different issues, but basically we're heading for an economic downturn.
28:49
Speaker 3: Where do you think the economy is going?
28:52
Speaker 10: Look, just to make sure we explained that everyone's stagflation
28:55
Speaker 10: is a period where you have both a recession, both
28:57
Speaker 10: economic downturn and high inflation.
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Speaker 1: Typically they go in reverse.
29:03
Speaker 10: The last time we had stagflation here and in many
29:07
Speaker 10: other countries was in the nineteen seventies when there was
29:10
Speaker 10: a massive energy crisis. Now, the energy crisis we are
29:14
Speaker 10: facing today is the worst energy crisis since the nineteen seventies.
29:18
Speaker 10: So clearly the risk of stagflation is clear and present.
29:23
Speaker 10: Because it happened last time, we're in this situation and
29:26
Speaker 10: so we need to learn the lessons of that last time.
29:28
Speaker 10: The lessons of that last time were the price controls
29:31
Speaker 10: government dictates did not work. The only thing that broke
29:33
Speaker 10: the back of the stagflation. Then we're governments getting their
29:37
Speaker 10: budgets under control. In the end, interest rates had to
29:40
Speaker 10: go much higher than they should have if the governments
29:43
Speaker 10: had done it earlier, So go back to my point.
29:45
Speaker 1: That's why I said my point that they.
29:47
Speaker 10: Should have been done a year or two ago when
29:49
Speaker 10: we're in good, better economic times. But now we've got
29:53
Speaker 10: to a tiler roof while the cyclone is among us.
29:57
Speaker 10: But the sooner we get on with that, the safer
29:59
Speaker 10: everyone will be.
30:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Matt, really appreciate your time. Thank you
30:03
Speaker 2: so much.
30:05
Speaker 3: Now still to come the latest twist and the ongoing
30:07
Speaker 3: isis Bride Saga and we'll cross live to Alice Springs,
30:10
Speaker 3: where a community in morning after police discovered the body
30:14
Speaker 3: of the missing little girl. Leah Mendes has the latest
30:17
Speaker 3: after the break. Welcome back, Well, let's return to the
30:23
Speaker 3: devastating story out of Alice Springs. Police today confirming the
30:26
Speaker 3: worst that five year old Cumen Jay little Baby as
30:29
Speaker 3: her family have asked us to call her, found dead
30:33
Speaker 3: five kilometers from the Old Timers Aboriginal town Camp.
30:38
Speaker 12: Police members of the search party located the body of
30:42
Speaker 12: a young Aboriginal girl we believe to be five year
30:45
Speaker 12: old Sharon Grannitt's. The body was found about five kilometers
30:50
Speaker 12: south of the crime scene at Old Timers Camp.
30:53
Speaker 13: Two do no profiles on the underwear. One is expected
30:57
Speaker 13: belongs to the little girl Sharon, and the other belongs
31:01
Speaker 13: to Jefferson Lewis. We believe he's murdered this child. Do
31:08
Speaker 13: not assist him getting to the police station and we'll
31:10
Speaker 13: look after him. And I say to Jefferson Lewis, We're
31:15
Speaker 13: coming for you.
31:17
Speaker 3: Absolutely sickening and heart ranching. And here's her family statement.
31:23
Speaker 11: To Kumunjar, little baby, Me and Ramsey miss and love you.
31:28
Speaker 11: I know you are in heaven with the rest of
31:31
Speaker 11: the family, with Jesus and the Father Son.
31:33
Speaker 2: And Holy Spirit.
31:35
Speaker 11: Me and your brother will meet you one day. We're
31:38
Speaker 11: giving our lives to Jesus. It is going to be
31:42
Speaker 11: so hard to live the rest of our lives without you.
31:46
Speaker 11: Ramsiah wants to tell you that when he sees you
31:50
Speaker 11: in heaven, he is going to give you the biggest
31:53
Speaker 11: hug ever. Love from Mum and Ramsiah.
31:59
Speaker 3: And joining me now is the Australians Leam Mendes live
32:02
Speaker 3: from Alice Springsley and thank you again. Look, this is
32:05
Speaker 3: just the worst possible outcome. Can you tell us how
32:09
Speaker 3: the day progressed and the moment at which police made
32:12
Speaker 3: this discovery.
32:15
Speaker 14: It's completely tragic. There's no other words to describe what's
32:20
Speaker 14: happened here. This is a community that is completely heartbroken.
32:25
Speaker 14: People still had hope that they would find her alive
32:30
Speaker 14: this morning. Obviously, as time goes on, that hope dwindles.
32:35
Speaker 14: But it was around midday when police started going at
32:42
Speaker 14: high speed towards this area five kilometers south from the
32:47
Speaker 14: town camp that she was taken from. And that's when
32:54
Speaker 14: that's when we first heard that something was happening. And
32:59
Speaker 14: now it's we now know is that walkers search searching
33:04
Speaker 14: on feet, on their feet, found her.
33:09
Speaker 3: And what is the latest in the hunt for the
33:11
Speaker 3: man who allegedly abducted her, the violent criminal Jefferson Lewis,
33:15
Speaker 3: who was only shortly out of prison.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Jefferson Lewis was released in prison on Tuesday last week.
33:25
Speaker 14: Police one policeman actually said to me, you know, we
33:28
Speaker 14: need to get him before his family gets him. There's
33:32
Speaker 14: what's called payback, something that happens around here where you know,
33:38
Speaker 14: people will go after someone like him who has allegedly
33:42
Speaker 14: committed and actors abhorrent as this, and police are still
33:50
Speaker 14: searching for him right now as we speak.
33:54
Speaker 3: That revelation from the police today about the two DNA
33:58
Speaker 3: samples on little Kumunjai little babies underwear. I mean, it
34:05
Speaker 3: just does not get more.
34:10
Speaker 2: Tragic than that.
34:11
Speaker 3: And we know from your reporting and from witnesses that
34:16
Speaker 3: they were seen leaving the town camp together around life
34:20
Speaker 3: eleven thirty at night holding hands.
34:23
Speaker 2: You just it's horrific to think what she went through.
34:27
Speaker 14: Yeah, and police were hoping that with that information that
34:30
Speaker 14: they were going to release that that was his DNA
34:34
Speaker 14: and her DNA on that underwear. They were hoping that
34:37
Speaker 14: someone would turn him in. Now that they're really hoping,
34:42
Speaker 14: especially more than ever now that her body has been found,
34:45
Speaker 14: that that will happen. Police still think that he is
34:49
Speaker 14: getting some sort of help, but you know how long
34:52
Speaker 14: that help is going to be there for, you know,
34:56
Speaker 14: hopefully not very.
34:58
Speaker 15: Long at all.
35:00
Speaker 3: Focus now on the town camps. On the conditions that contributed,
35:05
Speaker 3: and obviously this is allegedly by a violent criminal, Jefferson
35:09
Speaker 3: Lewis that two police have said as the number one suspect,
35:11
Speaker 3: and he was four days fresh out of prison, so
35:15
Speaker 3: you know that's the alleged defender here. But the conditions
35:19
Speaker 3: that put her at risk where a stranger could have
35:23
Speaker 3: access to her, I mean that was part of your
35:26
Speaker 3: reporting today and you showed us the photographs first on
35:28
Speaker 3: the show here last night, and then there was a
35:30
Speaker 3: big reaction in the Australian today when you published those
35:34
Speaker 3: images and people were just so horrified that a little
35:38
Speaker 3: girl was living like that. Can you tell us about
35:42
Speaker 3: some of the conditions and how people have received it.
35:47
Speaker 14: Yes, So I think that a lot of people have
35:50
Speaker 14: reached out and said that they're shocked to see these images.
35:53
Speaker 14: They don't believe that people, especially young children, are living
35:58
Speaker 14: like this in Australia.
36:00
Speaker 12: Uh.
36:01
Speaker 14: You know, I saw it quite early on in my
36:05
Speaker 14: reporting in the Northern Territory, but it's not something we
36:08
Speaker 14: really talk about. It's not something that you know, you
36:10
Speaker 14: report about. And we feel that like now is really
36:13
Speaker 14: the time to speak about that and to raise awareness
36:17
Speaker 14: to the entire nation. The entire nation should know about
36:20
Speaker 14: that these horrific living conditions, because it's like no child
36:28
Speaker 14: anywhere in Well, let alone Australia should be living in
36:33
Speaker 14: a place like this. It's just it's heartbreaking, it.
36:38
Speaker 2: Really is.
36:38
Speaker 3: And I think your pictures told a thousand words. And
36:42
Speaker 3: when we saw them here on the show last night,
36:44
Speaker 3: when you sent them to me, a bit early and
36:45
Speaker 3: then I asked just in an ampage of a price
36:48
Speaker 3: about it on the show, and she said she would
36:50
Speaker 3: never let her children ever.
36:52
Speaker 2: Go to a town camp o. Liam, I know it's
36:55
Speaker 2: so tough for you.
36:57
Speaker 3: You're going to make me crye now, it's so tough
36:59
Speaker 3: for you being on the on the front line reporting
37:02
Speaker 3: this today. All Right, we'll let you go, Liam, But
37:04
Speaker 3: look that just shows that he's a journalist with heart.
37:08
Speaker 3: Now he's made me Tira. He's a journalist with heart.
37:11
Speaker 3: He is one of the best journalists in the country
37:14
Speaker 3: Lea and Mendies. But it's you know, reporting on stories
37:17
Speaker 3: like this, and he's their first hand and he's been
37:19
Speaker 3: covering it every minute, and it is it's really really sad.
37:22
Speaker 3: All right, still to come London rocked by terror attack
37:25
Speaker 3: and the guards of flotilla with some scandalous items on board.
37:30
Speaker 2: We'll be back after the break. Well.
37:36
Speaker 3: The interim report from the Royal Commission today has sparked
37:40
Speaker 3: concern over the readiness of our national security community, and
37:44
Speaker 3: for more analysis on this, I'm joined by US Sky
37:47
Speaker 3: News defense analyst Hitter Jennings.
37:49
Speaker 2: Peter, Thank you so much for your time.
37:52
Speaker 3: Look, there was a lot of focus on how the
37:54
Speaker 3: Albaneze government had treated counter terrorism in the report today,
37:58
Speaker 3: what was your takeout?
38:02
Speaker 15: I felt that the Prime Minister was too quick to
38:04
Speaker 15: claim victory Sharry. I felt that he clearly hadn't looked
38:11
Speaker 15: at the report as closely as I have today, because
38:14
Speaker 15: I can tell you that there's a number of findings
38:16
Speaker 15: in it which are very damning and broadly they paint
38:20
Speaker 15: a picture of a counter terrorism establishment which had become
38:24
Speaker 15: a bit too focused on process, a bit too bureaucratized.
38:29
Speaker 15: Key reports were not being updated as they were meant to.
38:33
Speaker 15: Their cabinet did not take an opportunity, or perhaps wasn't
38:37
Speaker 15: even offered an opportunity to exercise in a counter terrorism exercise,
38:42
Speaker 15: which is something that I recall past governments have done
38:45
Speaker 15: quite regularly. There's a number of instances where one feels
38:51
Speaker 15: that what the report is pointing to is a series
38:53
Speaker 15: of quite serious concerns about the functioning of the counter
38:56
Speaker 15: terrorism system, and I don't think the Prime Minister should
38:59
Speaker 15: be complacent about it. It leads me to think that
39:03
Speaker 15: the final report could actually be quite damning.
39:05
Speaker 3: When we get to the end of the year, we
39:08
Speaker 3: suspected that the Albanese government wasn't taking counter terrorism or
39:12
Speaker 3: national security as seriously as they should. Seeing signs of this,
39:17
Speaker 3: I broke the story that the heads of ASIO and
39:20
Speaker 3: ASIS were no longer in the National Security Committee of
39:23
Speaker 3: Cabinet as permanent members. They were then reinstated several months
39:27
Speaker 3: after this became public, but we had that sense that
39:32
Speaker 3: they just weren't prioritizing it.
39:34
Speaker 2: And this proves it, doesn't it.
39:36
Speaker 15: Yes, I think it does very comprehensively, And you know
39:39
Speaker 15: what Virginia Bell does in the first chapter of the
39:43
Speaker 15: report is go through forensically all the things that the
39:47
Speaker 15: head of ASIO, Mike Burgess, and various representatives from the
39:51
Speaker 15: Federal Police have been saying over the years, to show
39:54
Speaker 15: that they were serious concerns, particularly in twenty twenty four,
39:59
Speaker 15: about the rise of anti Semitism and that this could
40:02
Speaker 15: lead to significant violence. And it seems that those concerns
40:07
Speaker 15: just were not acted on in an engaged policy sense,
40:11
Speaker 15: and that's what emerges from the rest of the Royal
40:14
Speaker 15: Commissioner's report. So there is no room for complacency here
40:19
Speaker 15: and certainly nothing that the Prime Minister can take from
40:22
Speaker 15: it by way of comfort to say that everything is
40:25
Speaker 15: going fine. That is not what the report said, and
40:29
Speaker 15: I suspect we're going to see more of it over
40:30
Speaker 15: the next few months. As as the Royal Commission now
40:33
Speaker 15: really gets to hold hearings, it starts to look in
40:37
Speaker 15: more forensic detail at the initial assessment that they've made
40:41
Speaker 15: in this report.
40:43
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn now to the Isis bride saga.
40:46
Speaker 3: Syrian officials are claiming that Australian authorities have blocked the
40:50
Speaker 3: four Isis brides and their nine children from flying back,
40:53
Speaker 3: and the Prime Minister's brushed off criticism from the US,
40:56
Speaker 3: who are reportedly, if you.
40:59
Speaker 2: Believe it annoyed that we're not taking them back, have
41:01
Speaker 2: a look.
41:02
Speaker 5: The United States position is not a new one. That
41:06
Speaker 5: has been their position for some time, and we have
41:09
Speaker 5: indicated our position.
41:12
Speaker 7: For some time.
41:15
Speaker 2: Look, there's something going on in Damascus.
41:17
Speaker 3: They wanted to get on the plane. They're now not
41:19
Speaker 3: getting on the plane. But it doesn't make sense, does
41:21
Speaker 3: it that Australian officials would be there stopping them catching
41:25
Speaker 3: the flight?
41:26
Speaker 2: I mean, does that ring true to you?
41:30
Speaker 15: I don't understand, Sharry Way. Our government just can't give
41:32
Speaker 15: an honest accounting about what's going on here. I mean,
41:36
Speaker 15: there's constant refrain that they're doing nothing. It's like Sergeant Schultz.
41:40
Speaker 15: They know nothing, they see nothing, they hear nothing. And
41:42
Speaker 15: yet we all know that it to get a passport,
41:47
Speaker 15: To get those passports delivered into Syria, that took a
41:50
Speaker 15: certain amount of coordination. There's obviously been discussions between the
41:54
Speaker 15: United States government and the Australian government about this, because
41:57
Speaker 15: those sorts of letters just don't materialize Washington, d C.
42:01
Speaker 15: Without sort of diplomatic engagement. We know that there would
42:05
Speaker 15: have to be significant arrangements put in place to deal
42:07
Speaker 15: with these people when they came back to Australia, including
42:11
Speaker 15: with the police and other state level services. So what's
42:15
Speaker 15: going on. I just don't understand why this can't be
42:17
Speaker 15: explained clearly and rationally, instead of which the government continues
42:22
Speaker 15: to hide from it seems the consequences of its own doings.
42:26
Speaker 2: Indeed, Peter Jennings, thank you so much for your time.
42:29
Speaker 15: Thank you, Jem.
42:30
Speaker 3: After the break, London rocked by another shocking terror attack
42:34
Speaker 3: and the Israeli Navy discovers illicit items on board the
42:38
Speaker 3: latest Gaza flotiller.
42:39
Speaker 2: That's after the break.
42:44
Speaker 3: Welcome back with the Israeli Navy has intercepted one of
42:47
Speaker 3: the flotillas sailing to Gaza. Now, these pro Palestindian activists
42:51
Speaker 3: have claimed time and time again that they're set sail
42:54
Speaker 3: to deliver humanitarian eight. But have a look with the
42:57
Speaker 3: israel Foreign Ministry claims was real found on board condoms
43:03
Speaker 3: and what Israeli officials claim are drugs exactly what I'm
43:08
Speaker 3: sure the gardens are desperately after. It certainly seems or
43:12
Speaker 3: fun and games on board with the Israeli Ministry of
43:14
Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs really seeing the video that you're watching now
43:17
Speaker 3: as well of the activists clearly enjoying themselves. Well, for
43:21
Speaker 3: more on this, I'm joined by Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs
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Speaker 3: Minister Charen Haskell.
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Speaker 2: Charen, great to see you. So, I mean, what's going
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Speaker 2: on here?
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Speaker 16: Well, it is very simple and it was very important
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Speaker 16: to expose because when we speak about the useful idiots
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Speaker 16: at Western civilization, at the service of radical Islamists, of
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Speaker 16: terrorist organizations of regimes like the IRGC, this is how
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Speaker 16: they turn it fashionable. They sell those as you know,
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Speaker 16: a cruise with a yacht with sex, drugs and rock
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Speaker 16: and roll, and that becomes a fashion and it's very
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Speaker 16: easy to persuade this younger generation to come and support them,
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Speaker 16: and they are being used as useful idiots because Sharry,
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Speaker 16: you know it, there is so much aid flowing into
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Speaker 16: Gaza right now, we can send tons of images of
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Speaker 16: four restaurants and celebrations and you know, broaduce in the market.
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Speaker 16: It is absurd and ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: And what did they do.
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Speaker 16: They try to turn the support for terrorist organization into
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Speaker 16: something cool, something fashionable.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 3: And it's not a surprise because previously when Israel has
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Speaker 3: boded another version of this Gaza flotilla, there was very
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Speaker 3: little eight on board at all. I'm going to turn
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Speaker 3: out to this horrific news out of London overnight. Two
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Speaker 3: Jewish men stabbed, seriously wounded in a terror attack. This
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Speaker 3: happened in Golder's Green, a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, Scharan. Where
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Speaker 3: is the action from Kiostama.
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Speaker 16: Well, unfortunately there's none, you know, even now when there's
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Speaker 16: only talks about you know, prescribing the IERGC as a
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Speaker 16: terrorist organization. This should have been done so long ago.
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Speaker 16: This is you know, an action, a terror attack on
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Speaker 16: the Jewish community, British civilians by claim by a terrorist
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Speaker 16: organization linked to the IERGC. I mean, there were so
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Speaker 16: many actions that could have prevented that, and the registration
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Speaker 16: of the IRGC as a designated terrorist organization is only
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Speaker 16: one of them.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we're talking about the.
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Speaker 16: Same patterns, very similar to what had happened in Australia
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Speaker 16: where tons.
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Speaker 2: Of people summer of twenty twenty four and what.
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Speaker 16: Led to that, which is mass demonstrations going through your capitals,
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Speaker 16: going through your main cities and calling to globalize the INTIFAA,
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Speaker 16: calling to bring the death, the destruction, the terrorist attack,
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Speaker 16: the violence into your own cities. You know, just a
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Speaker 16: couple of months ago, there were cars driving in Jewish
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Speaker 16: neighborhoods and on loudspeaker they were saying, go and kill
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Speaker 16: the Jewish women, rape the little girls. No one was arrested,
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Speaker 16: no one was prosecuted, nothing. So when we say there
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Speaker 16: has to be actions and not words, we talk about enforcement,
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Speaker 16: we talk about the judicial system, we talk about politicians
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Speaker 16: who have to start writing their policy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: Just turning to the war now, which is still going on,
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Speaker 3: Iran has threatened unprecedented military action after President Trump projected
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Speaker 3: their latest proposal. Now Taranas refused to come to the
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Speaker 3: table until the US lifts its blockade. On the Straight
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Speaker 3: of hor moves. But clearly that's not an option. Here
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Speaker 3: is President Trump.
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Speaker 17: Militarily, We've wiped them out. They have no military left there.
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Speaker 17: It's all the navies at the bottom of the sea.
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Speaker 17: The Air Force is never going to fly again. We've
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Speaker 17: got an amazing military. Now they have to cry uple.
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Speaker 17: That's all they have to do is just say we
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Speaker 17: give up.
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Speaker 3: We give up.
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Speaker 2: So, Charan, how does this end? Where does this go
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Speaker 2: from here?
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Speaker 16: Well, there's only one option, and President Trump pretty much said,
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Speaker 16: and there's two ways to reach there. I mean, there's
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Speaker 16: already a huge tear within the IRGC right now, and
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Speaker 16: there's many voices who are speaking completely different conversation that
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Speaker 16: worshiping a cardboard. I mean, it's ridiculous. And there's two
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Speaker 16: ways in order to make sure that we dismantle them.
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Speaker 16: One is from an economical perspective, which is the collapse
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Speaker 16: of the IRGC and the machine that oils the armies
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Speaker 16: all around the world and the weapons and the missiles
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Speaker 16: and all of these programs. And the other way is
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Speaker 16: from a military perspective. And we've pretty much wiped a
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Speaker 16: lot of it, and the economical collapse is coming, especially
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Speaker 16: because of you know how President Trump has put an
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Speaker 16: embargo more like a siege over Iran as well, and
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Speaker 16: they know it's coming.
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Speaker 2: So how much do you think the world's going to
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Speaker 2: go on? Look, I can't put.
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Speaker 16: It in an exact number, but I know that as
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Speaker 16: soon as the economical collapse, which is very much on
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Speaker 16: the way. You've seen the you know, the coin drops
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Speaker 16: to like immensely, to barely any kind of values.
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Speaker 2: We've destroyed quite a bit of.
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Speaker 16: Their banks that have hold a lot of American dollars
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Speaker 16: physical American dollars, so you know they are literally on
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Speaker 16: the verge of collapse. It's only a matter of time.
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Speaker 3: Sharan Haskell, great to see you as always. Thank you
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Speaker 3: so much and thanks everyone for your company this week,
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Speaker 3: massive news week. I'll see you Monday at eight. And
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Speaker 3: here's Polmary
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