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Week Twelve · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Music. Then welcome back to the
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  Boundary Corner Podcast, a part of the College Huddle Network
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  along with my partner Brian Siegler and our special guest
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  host tonight, Coach Robbie Compton.
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  This episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at
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  the Counts Family Pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy,
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  Three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
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  That's right, it's only three people.
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  Coach Robbie has joined us tonight as we have two guys who
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  are officially out on the disabled list.
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  Shelton is sick. He's under the weather.
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  Tally has obligations all week for basketball.
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  Literally. Tally is going to be in the gym
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  when he gets off work to 10:00 every night this week.
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  Godspeed, Tally. I know you love it.
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  I know you love you, son. We missed you this week.
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  Brian's got something to say again because I'm going to call
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  it next week. Brian, if I don't hear from this
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  person, I will. We put the.
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  Meeting on the next one. I, I mean, we're going to have
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  to. Maybe I'll win.
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  We would love to get it out to you soon as possible.
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  Yes, because the holidays are coming up and me and Brian will
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  be traveling back and forth amongst locations whether it be
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  Halifax, the beach or just doing things with our kiddos.
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  And I ain't going to wait much longer.
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  We're not going to confiscate it for our own use, where we'll be
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  handed down every three months to.
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  He said he's not going to be as nice as Jeremy and wait a month
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  and a half to get the PlayStation.
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  And a half. I don't know how all that went,
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  but Robbie, my friend it, well, it's not been a while.
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  We literally talk every day pretty much via text, sometimes
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  a phone call. But how you doing brother?
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  Hanging in there, man, winding down around the football season
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  trying to get, you know, equipment inventories done,
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  things like that. Wife wife's still working with
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  her team. They're starting their playoff
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  run this week. So we're, we're as much as I'd
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  like to just get into watching college football, there's still
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  plenty of, of high school football to go around around
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  here. So we're we're rolling on
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  through it. There we go man.
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  So. Curtis is going to have this
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  meeting problem again this week. Oh, freaking night.
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  Brian took the microphone, told me this one was better.
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  And this one's. You know what it it is better.
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  I never had these issues with with it with it on my end here
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  though, so maybe this is Bruiser air.
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  Real quick, Robbie, I don't know if you mentioned it while I was
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  trying to get plugged back in, but your wife's school still
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  involved second round of playoffs first.
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  Round here in the first round, normally here in North Carolina
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  it'd be the second week, but with all the hurricane and
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  everything and pushed everything back a week so.
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  Acted up a week. They had a makeup week this past
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  Friday night and then playoffs start this coming Friday.
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  So lot of lot of very interesting matchups.
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  A lot of people are going to have to do some, we're
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  travelling to get away, get around some Rd. closures and
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  things like that so could be interesting.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  I mean that that area of the state still, still a little torn
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  up there with the roads there. So it's definitely going to be
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  interesting and just glad they were able to kind of keep that
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  thing going and. There there was one team that my
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  wife was projected to that her team was projected to play.
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  At one point they were from down next to Cherokee and they were
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  going to have to take either a trip into northern Georgia, over
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  to South Carolina and up through Charlotte to get here or to go
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  into Tennessee up and back to 81 down 77 to it was going to turn
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  a four hour trip and do about a 6 1/2.
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  They managed to move the move the parents around a little bit
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  so they wouldn't have to travel quite as much, but they didn't
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  change a whole lot for that for that team so.
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  Yeah, they're, they're kind of isolated there right now, pretty
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  much more or. Less I would guess, yeah, yeah,
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  Interstate 40 and and 20 say the 26 or 24, I think it's 26 out
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  that way is it's kind of cut off you, you really can't go from
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  our area here over to Tennessee without going north or South to
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  go around. Yeah.
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  It's quite a recovery, recoveries working, but it's
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  still a work in progress. A lot, a lot to do out there.
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  So, so you said they was having to go into like northern Georgia
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  and go through Chattanooga? Lord, that was one way they
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  could have gone around. But if they'd have went down in
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  northern Georgia, they'd have come around through like up
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  through Greenville, almost to Clemson, back to 77 and come
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  back. OK.
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  Yeah, because Charlotte. OK, so they were trying to go
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  towards more center of the state then?
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  Yeah. So we're right off of 77,
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  between 77 and Interstate 40 really got you kind of where we
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  sit. All righty.
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  Well, again for that part of North Carolina, not too, too far
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  from where Robbie coaches and lives nowadays.
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  Still again, many prayers. It's still, I believe you had it
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  on the bottom last week, Brian. I'm not sure if you have it back
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  on the bottom this week for definitely a good cause.
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  Take a look at that. But Robbie's here to talk ball
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  with us. Really, Robbie, you told me
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  yesterday you have pretty much watched almost every game except
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  Miami, clearly your coach on Friday night.
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  And Thursday night is kind of, oh, Friday night is kind of
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  tough. Can't watch that game.
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  So but we're going to break it down.
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  We're going to do, we always do something that Robbie basically
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  turned us on to the idea last year of, and that is we've got
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  to talk about the game first before we get into the season
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  stuff because Robbie's got some very, very interesting opinions.
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  I'm not going to say harsh. Some of them are harsh, some of
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  them aren't on the season in general.
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  But we do have to tell the truth Tuesday about what happened at
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  Clemson or against Clemson last week as the Hokies fall 2414 to
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  go to 5:00 and 5:00 and it's the middle of November and the
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  Hokies are five and five again. This is just like last year,
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  almost. Hokies held A7 nothing halftime
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  lead before effectively getting 4.
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  Clemson puts up 24 straight points in the second-half.
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  And when you look at a game like this, it's really kind of weird.
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  But there were some things that went well and I'm going to say
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  this, Kate Klubnik had a run for his life the majority of that
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  game with the amount of pressure, the front 4, some of
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  the blitz schemes that were picking or that Chris Marv sent.
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  And it was a good thing. You know, Hokies force 4 sacks
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  had like an 8% havoc rate, which is a pretty good rate.
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  But let me ask both of y'all, you know, what else did y'all
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  see not only from the defensive side, but other parts that you
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  felt like went well on Tuesday? I'll start with Brian.
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  Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing is the the pressure that
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  that Marv was dialing up. They constantly kept club Nick
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  uncomfortable in the pocket. I think that was the big thing
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  that we saw. Didn't give him a lot of time to
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  to be able to sit back there and and calculate where he wanted to
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  go with the football. A lot of times the plays that he
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  was making were escaping the pocket, throwing down field,
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  shaking a tackle here to there. So, you know, he wasn't exactly
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  getting the the cleanest of looks for most of the the the
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  afternoon there. So, you know, hats off tomorrow
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  and a little bit of a bounce back performance from a, you
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  know, calling standpoint after kind of what we saw in Syracuse.
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  I think overall just a, you know a big bounce back week for that
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  unit overall. I mean, what about you?
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  I, I would say that that the pressure and that was one of the
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  big emphasis is going into this season was, was trying to get
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  more pressure, even though APR had been the pressure man last
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  year, but they wanted to build more pressure all the way across
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  the front. And I feel like they've really
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  done that. And I mean, anybody can argue
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  with me if they want to feel like the defensive line is a is
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  a shining point of this team right now.
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  I mean, they're, they're going out week in week out producing,
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  doing the things that they're pretty good at doing.
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  They, you know, they need a little bit of backup behind
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  them. They're they're secondary is set
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  up for that pressure. A lot of man coverage and a lot
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  of things like that. And it, it, it's tough to do.
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  So I mean, I, I applaud them for for working at that and
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  continuing to try to get that pressure.
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  I'm pretty sure APR is leading the country in sacks right now,
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  right? He is that he's got 13 sacks.
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  He is tied for first with Mike Green from Marshall.
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  So leading it and the and the unit itself has 31, which is top
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  15. They're I think they're on pace
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  to I think they got 36 last year, which was like top 20.
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  They're on pace I think this year.
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  I'd have to go back and confirm my numbers on that.
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  But what what else went well? I mean, they're, they're
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  obviously this thing was pretty much a game until the early part
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  of the fourth quarter. So it was one of those things.
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  But what else did y'all see, Robbie?
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  I'll go to you. Nick.
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  What else did you see watching that game Saturday?
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  Like they're doing this good. I mean, I, I thought they for,
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  for what they're dealing with in some of the positions and things
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  like that, with some injuries and being kind of beat up and
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  some, some lackluster things in places.
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  In my opinion, I thought they played well defensively overall.
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  I thought they'd come down. They had a few coverage mistakes
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  here and there. One they, you know, and that's,
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  that's the joys of, of playing the, the man defense and, and
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  stuff like that. Your coverage when you think
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  something's going it only takes one man to kind of not even stop
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  just kind of ease up a bit to take a look at what's going on
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  and things get away from you quickly.
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  And I mean I I thought defensively played pretty well
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  they scored the first touchdown on special teams, which is
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  something that Virginia Tech's always had you know in their
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  back pocket. Is that that Bieber ball special
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  teams. It was good to see some of that
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  kind of kind of rear its head and.
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  And show some good things. I was, yeah, I was pleasantly
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  surprised with that. A lot of things went fairly
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  well, special teams wise that it seems to be.
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  It seems to have been an issue in the in earlier games at times
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  here and there. But I thought that was a good
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  thing too. And just to see people see some
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  places continuing to try to put things together and continuing
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  to try to find the the best things that they have and
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  continuing to try to push forward.
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  Brian, what else? What else?
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  What about you? What else went well for in your
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  eyes as you were watching the game Saturday afternoon?
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  And I'm going to soon watch a little bit of the replay on
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  Sunday morning. Yeah, I mean, you know, looking
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  at the special teams unit in general, I think they did had a
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  pretty good outing there. I mean, you, you, you open the
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  game off with a pretty good kick return, you know, get yourself,
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  you know, across the 30th, you know, almost across 35 there,
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  you know, really good start to the game there.
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  You had the, you know, the block that got returned for a
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  touchdown to get, you know, first points of the game.
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  You end up going into halftime with that being the only score
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  in the first half. I mean, it's kind of a weird,
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  weird game to watch offensively because, you know, we didn't
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  really do a whole lot, but we were doing a whole lot well,
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  especially when it came time to get off the field.
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  So I'd say, you know, we look at those money downs from a
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  defensive perspective. We did a really good job of
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  capitalizing on situations where we're able to get them in in
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  late downs and be able to get off the field, whether it's, you
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  know, interception, whether it's a turnover on downs.
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  Obviously we already talked about the block field goals.
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  So we had a lot of opportunities out there and we were taking
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  advantage of them on those, those money downs in the first
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  half. Yeah, give.
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  First of all, give special teams big kudos on that, not only with
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  the solid return again, Thomas Williams, one of the young names
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  that we're starting to see a little bit more and more every
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  week. The block, it was younger guys.
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  Burgos got in through that, got in through the left side, which
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  we've seen Clemson give up multiple block kicks.
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  So got in, got his hand up and then quit and reddish again in
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  the right spot, being coached to do the right thing.
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  This is the area you need to be in on a block kick, getting it
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  and then having the knowethal to effectively know get outside.
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  He did not try to because you see some guys probably you've
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  probably seen this ton in high school football guy gets a block
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  kick and just like just starts running and it's like where you
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  where you running to like you run into where everybody is.
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  You could see if he waited, he hesitated and he kind of set up
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  a couple blocks and he got on the outside and ran it all the
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  way back. Peter Moore, I don't want to.
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  Peter Moore kept this game closer than it was because Peter
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  Moore on more than one occasion got them and booted them deeper
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  than they should have been. And, and and and that kept us in
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  the game because it forced them to take longer and longer
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  drives. So yeah.
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  The the. Yeah, and yeah, 20 yards to try
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  to get to where the ball's going to land.
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  I mean that big. It is big.
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  The other piece that I'll say is the run defense.
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  It 167 is what we gave up. But if I told anybody sitting
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  here last week probably would have texted Robbie and saying
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  Phil Mahaffa averaging well over six yards, we kept him under 5.
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  That's good team in general. We kept under 3 or under 4
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  basically 3.6. It's like so as much as it as
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  much as the bad part of the defense showed the last 20
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  minutes of Syracuse bringing the game they brought maybe their
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  best played game all year, forcing turnover sacks, keeping
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  a good running team somewhat behind the stitch.
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  Yeah, at they. At they they, they didn't
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  exactly go out there and like shut them down, but they kept.
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  Them they weren't 1.6 a carry, they were 3.6.
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  But against a team like Clemson, 3.6 is good.
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  So there's your what went well. Now first of all, the what went
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  bad, the the the worst thing that we saw regardless Saturday
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  prayers up for him. Gabe Williams getting injured.
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  Gabe Williams, a someone who was on this program when he got
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  recruited, a great young man to talk with full of energy gets
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  injured has to be, you know, basically put in the ambulance
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  off. I'm not sure the reports on him
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  yet, but again, prayers up for Gabe on that.
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  But also the crazy thing is Robbie, you you said us.
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  He was the one of the guys he's trying to he his leg ain't
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  right. He's trying to get up.
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  He. Tried to get up twice.
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  He tried to make a play. Yeah.
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  So craziness. So that's the really what went
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  bad. Brian, I'm going to pitch to you
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  on this first because it was your big thing that needed to be
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  key. What went bad?
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  I mean, the the game plan was kind of shit, right?
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  Like, so when we look at the the way we decided to attack this
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  team, right? So they're not the best run
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  defense overall that I mean, they're they're they're they're
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  solid, but they're kind of middle of the pack ACC, right.
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  Overall, they're down to defensive line starters and one
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  linebacker starter in this game. And we decided we weren't really
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  going to establish a running game at all, especially from the
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  running back position. And you know, before we go any
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  further, let's go ahead and say we we saw to out there, but
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  Tootin was not anywhere close to 100%.
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  Somebody was there in Tootin's uniform.
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  Tootin was nowhere near 100% and you know, we didn't really give
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  him a ton of touches. The problem I had is that we
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  didn't really give another running back any touches.
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  We didn't give another running back touch.
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  It it was insane. So what lane I think had one or
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  two carries. We we let, we let Kyron run for
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  about what, 9 or 10 times and. Then we ran 5.
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  Yeah. And then and then you get, you
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  know what, 2 net 3/2. Net 4 at 4:00 and me and Robbie
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  talked about this. Brian, I think I've texted you
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  as well. You know how many plays Tude was
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  on the field? Well, like 50% of the offensive
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  snaps. 30 yeah, and Coney was on the field the other 30.
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  Yeah, and we and we didn't throw the ball enough to not have
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  gotten Coney involved in this offensive game plan.
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  And if you know that you're running your your your primary
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  weapon is injured. Your other primary weapon, at
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  least in the running game is coming off an injury.
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  And definitely also did not look himself either in Kyron drones.
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  And you don't give the number 2 running back in this game at
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  least because Thomas is out any carries.
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  That's malpractice, man. That's malpractice.
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  That's that's not that's that's not taking care of your players
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  that are coming back. That's not that's not taking
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  advantage of the weapons that you have available to you.
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  And I think that's the bigger problem that I have is that we
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  saw Coney, you know, a couple weeks back-to-back, make some
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  big plays, been very effective in the running game and you
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  don't give him a single carry. And he was on the field 30
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  times. Yeah, that was the bigger issue.
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  He's he's been effective in the past and and yeah, you recruited
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  him for a reason. Give him that a shot.
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  You got him on the field 50% of the plays in the game right
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  here. Give him something.
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  See what he can do. You know, if he's losing yards
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  every play, I get it. But I mean, you got to find
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  something. Well, the more irritating part
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  about that, me and Robbie, me and you talked about yesterday,
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  Robbie, was, it's not like you said a saying go, Brian.
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  It's not like Coney was all, this is the first time he's ever
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  played. He freaking had 10 yards of
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  carry against Syracuse. He broke a big one.
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  And if he didn't break a big one, he was still getting
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  roughly about 6A pop. Like you said, Brian, it's
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  malpractice that he was not involved in that game plan,
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  whether Malachi Thomas or not. Robbie, you said something to me
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  yesterday. I don't you kind of back it up
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  now because you were you were you asked.
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  We kind of talked through it. How many how many games can I
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  got a red shirt? Four, yeah, I can appear in four
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  games and as long as that rule is still the same, I don't, I
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  don't think it's changed, but they can appear in four games.
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  So where was the freshman? The freshman from down your way.
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  We were talking about that, Brian, like, OK, here's your
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  chance. Get him to play against
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  competition. You are down running backs and
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  you can say, well, they're not ready.
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  I want to say you're playing right now if if you're out there
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  struggling and we were mightily struggling on offense.
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  I mean that depth charge depleted.
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  Give some guys some run, man. You got your, you got your.
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  Your two top backs are one's banged up to the point of being
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  ineffective. The other one is not playing in
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  this game. You have to get them involved in
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  this game plan. Have to.
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  Yeah, I just I mean, you're you're depleted it running back
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  anyway. You've got, you know, one guy on
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  the field injured. You've got another guy out hurt.
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  You've got another guy I I'm assuming this hurt too.
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  And and prelude. You're muted, Curtis.
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  PJ Kirk PJ Like broke did something bad with the bottle.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you've got several
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  injuries, you're at home, so I mean, there's no travel, you
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  know, there's no restriction on the number of travel.
• 22:35
  So there's no reason the kid shouldn't have been there
• 22:37
  dressed and ready to play if they needed something.
• 22:39
  Play. I mean, that that's my look on
• 22:41
  it. But the.
• 22:44
  Question is. What do you have?
• 22:45
  I've seen enough of Mason playing that I feel like he's
• 22:49
  definitely got something they can play because I mean, he is
• 22:52
  from, he is from Mount Airy down here, 40 minutes away.
• 22:58
  The, the team my wife works with plays them.
• 23:01
  They're conference opponents. I mean, he he's legit.
• 23:06
  I mean, I don't see why I was a reason not to give him some kind
• 23:10
  of shot. Or somebody else.
• 23:12
  I mean, like, yeah, anybody on your depth chart should have
• 23:16
  gotten a carry in in this game other than drones and Tooting,
• 23:20
  but somehow nobody else in that in that backfield got a single
• 23:24
  touch. And Mason had not played a game
• 23:26
  this year. It's not ultimately played a
• 23:29
  game. If if we were going out there
• 23:31
  and we were running the football effectively, then OK, if they
• 23:36
  don't get, if they don't get carries, they don't get carries.
• 23:37
  It is what it is. But when you are that
• 23:40
  ineffective offensively for the majority of the game, like
• 23:43
  you're, you're seeing like little sparks here and there.
• 23:45
  You have a good play here, good play there, but you can't string
• 23:47
  a damn drive together to save your ass and you don't give any
• 23:51
  of these guys touches. It's wild this.
• 23:56
  Is like the this is what we'll talk about some of the stuff
• 23:59
  later with Robbie, just more his observations on the season is so
• 24:04
  we've seen again, it's what you kind of said, Brian.
• 24:07
  It's the ebbs and flows of this team.
• 24:10
  Last week, not last week, two weeks ago the the offense puts
• 24:14
  30 plus up. The defense just looks like shit
• 24:16
  for 20 minutes of the game this week.
• 24:19
  The defense against a very talented roster.
• 24:22
  Whether you like Dabo, hate Dabo.
• 24:25
  He's indifferent. They have talent.
• 24:28
  Kate Public was not that high rated just for shits and
• 24:31
  giggles. He is a good collegiate
• 24:33
  quarterback. Phil Moff is a good running
• 24:35
  back. Some of their wide receivers are
• 24:37
  good players. They held that team down for the
• 24:41
  better for a whole half and kept them in check for a good part of
• 24:46
  2nd. Half other other than another
• 24:49
  disastrous third quarter, we we, we played very, very good it.
• 24:53
  Was 14-7 after the third quarter, though.
• 24:55
  Go ahead. You're about to.
• 24:56
  He's about to. Close down with the, the, the
• 24:59
  Ethan's, the the Cadence and the caves and the and the all those
• 25:04
  guys might have been a little bit better than we thought they
• 25:06
  were. Some of them were.
• 25:08
  Might have been a little bit better than we gave them credit
• 25:10
  for to start with. They came and played, they came
• 25:13
  and played straight up. So let me ask this because
• 25:18
  obviously that went bad. The money downs were not good.
• 25:20
  That's something he caught my eye.
• 25:22
  When you're like 2 of 15 on 3rd down, you're you're not going to
• 25:25
  win many at all. So, but the other thing that
• 25:33
  like just what went bad in general for the offense as well
• 25:39
  was the Rops because we were 16 to 37 and then there were 6
• 25:47
  total drops, I believe. And a couple of them, nobody
• 25:51
  was, I mean, it was it was good passes by Colin, it was good
• 25:55
  passes by Kyra. And that in in a game like this,
• 26:00
  it drives you crazy because on a couple of those, if they're
• 26:04
  caught, it's momentum swings, it's flipping the field, it's
• 26:07
  potentially getting into a field goal range where things
• 26:11
  potentially change different. Anything that y'all saw where
• 26:14
  guys just was a nerves, where they take their eyes off the
• 26:17
  ball, something I can't look for?
• 26:22
  You know, I didn't really see anything that stood out to me as
• 26:25
  far as like just just technique or, or anything like that.
• 26:29
  It's just in the in, sometimes in that crunch time, like you,
• 26:33
  you just try to pull it in, you don't pull it in.
• 26:36
  And and it wasn't necessarily one guy that we saw it from.
• 26:39
  We kind of saw it from a handful of different guys.
• 26:42
  I mean, we look at drops on the year.
• 26:46
  It's really, it's been kind of a problem throughout the year.
• 26:51
  But in this game it was definitely a a big problem just
• 26:56
  just as much in my opinion, as some of the the things we saw
• 27:01
  with with play calling, not necessarily, you know,
• 27:05
  deployment of personnel, but just play calling in general.
• 27:08
  As much as play calling was a problem in this game, I think
• 27:10
  drops were a problem in this game because both of those kill
• 27:12
  drives pretty pretty significantly throughout this
• 27:15
  one. Yeah, I I can agree with that.
• 27:20
  The, the drop balls are going to hurt you every time because
• 27:23
  they, they give you, not only do you not gain yards out of it,
• 27:28
  but you receivers start to get a little bit of doubt in their
• 27:31
  mind about, you know, what they're doing.
• 27:34
  They start to think about or why didn't I catch that, especially
• 27:38
  as a trend that keeps going. They, they start to players
• 27:43
  start to think about things like that and you can't let that
• 27:46
  doubt kind of creep in. I, I guess is what I'm trying to
• 27:50
  get to. We, we deal with some of that
• 27:54
  sometimes with some of our high school kids.
• 27:56
  And it's a lot easier with the high school kids to let that
• 28:00
  doubt creep in because they're obviously in, some of them are
• 28:04
  in the same level of, of what Virginia Tech has.
• 28:07
  But those things, they kind of, excuse me, unless you really get
• 28:14
  a handle on them quickly, they can snowball very quickly.
• 28:17
  And, and that's not that that turns into a bad thing.
• 28:20
  Well. That that's also really
• 28:22
  important with a team like Virginia Tech that still, you
• 28:27
  know, unfortunately still at this point still grasping for
• 28:29
  some identity and still playing up and down relative to where
• 28:34
  their confidence level is at a given moment in time.
• 28:38
  And drops are going to kill confidence, like you said there.
• 28:43
  So when you got a team that is still very confidence dependent
• 28:47
  in terms of how the flow of the game goes, that can really hurt
• 28:51
  you. 100% All right, let's flip over this and I'm going to start
• 28:57
  off with mine and then y'all can follow up with yours.
• 28:59
  But anything that happened we were not prepared for.
• 29:02
  And one thing that I was not prepared for and it shows in the
• 29:07
  stat lines and in my eyes and maybe my eyes deceive me.
• 29:11
  Clemson only had one sack, but our pest protection held up
• 29:16
  better than I thought it would. Now I know they were missing 2
• 29:19
  studs with Capehart and oh what's his name?
• 29:23
  You talked about them all last week, Brian.
• 29:25
  It's not TJ Parker, the other kid.
• 29:29
  Oh Peter. Peter.
• 29:33
  But still. Clemson is a middle of the road
• 29:37
  sack team. Wish Sheldon was here.
• 29:39
  You'd probably give us where they are on pressure rate.
• 29:41
  But when I see that and there were times where Kyron had time
• 29:45
  to make the pass and you could tell a couple times he wasn't
• 29:48
  pulling the triggers and and I think and some people are going
• 29:51
  land based him, but he's coming off a foot injury and y'all both
• 29:56
  played. I know both of y'all broke your
• 29:58
  legs in high school. Brine ankle.
• 30:00
  Robbie, I remember when you broke your leg.
• 30:01
  Robbie. I do remember that.
• 30:03
  Please believe it or not, boys, I was like 25 years ago.
• 30:05
  Take a deep breath. It was an ankle, too.
• 30:07
  It was an ankle, yeah. But tell me like land based him
• 30:12
  all you want, but it's like, well, if a guy's coming back
• 30:15
  when you you're hitting that foot, if it don't feel right, I
• 30:19
  can see where you're not going to be as confident or you're not
• 30:21
  going to pull the trigger as quick.
• 30:22
  I get that. But for me it was more the
• 30:25
  offensive line and how it held up because I did not foresee the
• 30:29
  offensive line playing like that pass protection wise on
• 30:31
  Saturday. What about y'all?
• 30:34
  Anything you were not prepared for?
• 30:37
  I was definitely not prepared to go into halftime with a a
• 30:40
  special teams touchdown being the only points on the board.
• 30:43
  Yes. And for, for good or I'll like
• 30:48
  honestly looking at the the way that first half, because I was
• 30:51
  like, this is not going to be a good situation for us because I
• 30:54
  don't see us necessarily improving significantly
• 30:56
  offensively. And despite the fact that we
• 30:59
  were up 7 nothing, they were in our our territory a pretty good
• 31:03
  amount in that first half. They just didn't come away with
• 31:06
  any points. And some of that was because of
• 31:08
  good plays on money down. She had an interception, he had
• 31:10
  a block field goal, you know, but some of that was, you know,
• 31:14
  they decided to go forward instead of taking some points
• 31:17
  and we just made some plays And you know, they left some points
• 31:21
  on the field in the first half that I felt like, you know, they
• 31:24
  they could have definitely been, you know, plus one, you know,
• 31:28
  plus 3, whatever, whatever the situation could have been there
• 31:32
  scoreboard wise. But we go in up 7 after all that
• 31:37
  craziness in the first half. Very, very good defensive game.
• 31:41
  If you like watching defense. I mean, that's a pretty good,
• 31:44
  good half of defense because, you know, we we made some plays
• 31:49
  there. We just couldn't string drives
• 31:51
  together. They made some plays and strong
• 31:53
  drives together, but couldn't finish them.
• 31:56
  And, and and there was a whole lot of good defensive played in
• 31:58
  that first half. So really, really impressed by
• 32:02
  that on both sides of it. And like I said, did not expect
• 32:05
  to go into halftime with the just one special teams touchdown
• 32:09
  being the only points all. Right.
• 32:11
  What about you, Rod? Anything you are not prepared
• 32:13
  for sitting down? Were you at the house watching
• 32:15
  the game? Yeah, sitting, sitting here kind
• 32:18
  of, kind of by myself watching it.
• 32:20
  Oh, I'm sure that's great. That's one of those great
• 32:22
  feelings. You get to sit and watch
• 32:23
  football game by yourself. Yeah, it's, it's kind of
• 32:25
  enjoyable. The big thing I was not prepared
• 32:28
  for was, you know, when, when you first turn it on and you and
• 32:32
  you see Tooting warming up, you see drones warming up.
• 32:36
  They're OK, they're playing. They've got to be, they've got
• 32:39
  to be ready chomping at the bit full speed, ready to go.
• 32:43
  I, I was, I wasn't expecting them to look as ineffective and
• 32:49
  as as kind of limped up as they were.
• 32:52
  I I feel like I in my mind, I kind of expected they were
• 32:56
  prepared to go considering they didn't play last week, that they
• 33:01
  were going to be ready to go. And I just even from the start
• 33:06
  with both of them, they didn't look like they were Tooting
• 33:10
  looked more like a decoy and drones looked more like a a a, a
• 33:20
  whittle captain of I got to be out there for my team.
• 33:25
  But knowing that he's not going to be as effective as as he
• 33:28
  could be and that I wasn't prepared for just seeing both of
• 33:32
  them in the starting lineup. I was much more prepared for for
• 33:36
  a fight out of those two. And not saying that they didn't
• 33:40
  have the fight in them, but physically they they just
• 33:43
  didn't. Yeah.
• 33:45
  It's it's, it's sometimes it's, it's the it's the doing right,
• 33:49
  it's the doing right. Like you're ready for it and
• 33:51
  then you start doing it's just like it doesn't feel right.
• 33:55
  It doesn't feel right. Big shout out here from Lavar
• 33:58
  and and that stinks because a they I mean the way they were
• 34:03
  out there. I mean it was a couple times I
• 34:04
  remember I saw two to pick up a blitz and you know, and I know
• 34:08
  y'all know from like picking up a blitz on like the way he did
• 34:11
  on a hurt foot that had to hurt like a.
• 34:14
  Mother. So there's some things we were
• 34:17
  not prepared for. So I mean, the only other thing
• 34:21
  you can say is should they have, and again, this is the second,
• 34:27
  then maybe this is the game planning Brian was talking
• 34:29
  about. If you knew they weren't
• 34:31
  completely right, should you have just said guys get right,
• 34:35
  like get right? Like you're not 100% there.
• 34:39
  But I'm sure, again, probably to your point, Robbie, they
• 34:41
  probably like no coach. This is the biggest game.
• 34:44
  I you know, if we win this game, we still might can make the 8th
• 34:47
  week. Things got to happen.
• 34:49
  We still might can make it a Charlotte coach.
• 34:51
  And it's, it's, it's, it's a coaching thing in my mind.
• 34:56
  Like you look at had they had they won last week and all of
• 35:02
  that still on the table, having to do everything.
• 35:05
  Then I see those two guys giving everything.
• 35:08
  They got half, you know, 68% of whatever they were standing when
• 35:15
  they took the field that day. But the fact that it went down
• 35:19
  last week the way it did and coming into this, you've got to
• 35:22
  kind of look, I mean, tooting's done after this year, right?
• 35:29
  Drones effectively could be back.
• 35:33
  You've got to protect that kind of investment.
• 35:36
  Really. I mean, I, I get, I get from a
• 35:40
  coaches perspective, and you're going to put the best thing you
• 35:43
  can out there. And if you think those two at
• 35:45
  70% are better than what you have backing them up and gives
• 35:49
  you the best opportunity, you go with it.
• 35:51
  But at some point, you know, what are you winning out of
• 35:55
  this? If you win the game and lose
• 35:56
  both of them for the rest of the year, you know, that kind of
• 35:59
  thing. And they just, they didn't look
• 36:03
  effective. And that that was kind of the
• 36:06
  unexpected part. Well, more to that, like not
• 36:09
  identifying that earlier in the game, like you, you waited till
• 36:13
  very late to go to Schlee. You never really went to anybody
• 36:17
  else other than two. And even though you had somebody
• 36:20
  else on the field for a lot of snaps, like at some point you
• 36:23
  got to figure out I've got to generate offense and I'm, and
• 36:26
  I'm not having success with my studs for one reason or another.
• 36:31
  You know, injuries, you know, the, the mental piece of it
• 36:35
  there. There's, there's a lot of things
• 36:37
  out there that these guys were not at 100% in this game.
• 36:42
  And you got to weigh that like, all right, they're out there.
• 36:46
  If they're not, if they're not able to play at the at that
• 36:49
  percentage, are they potentially putting themselves in a
• 36:53
  situation where they can get more seriously hurt #1 #2 if I'm
• 36:58
  not generating offense, if they are not being effective in what
• 37:00
  I'm trying to do schematically on offense, I need to do
• 37:04
  something different. Yeah.
• 37:06
  And that that was either not addressed or was addressed so
• 37:10
  late it didn't matter. Yeah, All righty, we'll move one
• 37:14
  last piece here before we flip it over and talk to some Robbie,
• 37:18
  a little bit more about this season.
• 37:21
  We'll start with Brian on this. Brian, what is something better
• 37:24
  this team can do moving forward? Because as of right now, it's
• 37:28
  five and five. Got to win one of the next two
• 37:31
  to become bowl eligible. What some of the team can do
• 37:34
  better moving forward. Something they can do better
• 37:38
  moving forward. That's a tough one, man, because
• 37:43
  I I. Feel.
• 37:44
  Win, win. Win, win's a very good high
• 37:47
  level one. Yeah, I mean, let's let's win
• 37:50
  two more games and at least say you're better than you were last
• 37:53
  year, right. So I don't think, I think the
• 37:58
  problem that we had and the problem that we're facing with
• 38:02
  this team and. I don't know.
• 38:09
  Brian froze. Oh man, the tally.
• 38:13
  The tally magic is coming to Brian's I.
• 38:15
  Was fully expecting that to be my problem at some point, didn't
• 38:18
  I? Oh, you got Starlink right?
• 38:20
  No, no, no, no. I'm on spectrum now.
• 38:22
  Spectrum. Yeah, we got out of there.
• 38:24
  We got out of the bottom. OK, Brian.
• 38:28
  Brian All right, Robbie, you said when anything else they can
• 38:33
  do better moving forward? Just got a got to get some
• 38:38
  consistency and and multiple facets of the game, find an
• 38:43
  identity and push through. I'm kind of, you know, I'm kind
• 38:47
  of in and out of this whole podcast thing.
• 38:49
  I I show up every once in a while when you guys give me an
• 38:51
  opportunity. But I follow a couple of couple
• 38:55
  other different podcasts here, Virginia Tech wise and listen to
• 38:59
  some of them. One of them suggested yesterday
• 39:01
  that the urine atrocity to put be put back.
• 39:04
  And I guess that's one of the things that that's going to be
• 39:07
  helping. I don't know if y'all heard any
• 39:09
  about that, but I caught AI caught a quick piece of it on a
• 39:13
  TikTok and some some different things.
• 39:15
  And if I can remember the name right off the top of my head, I
• 39:19
  would throw it out there. But it was quite amusing to to
• 39:22
  hear them talk about that. But I don't know if that that
• 39:27
  that seems like more of a long term thing just to get ready for
• 39:31
  for the next one is take this week that that they have off
• 39:37
  kind of get healthy, find some things that they know they can
• 39:41
  really capitalize on. And and then and then go to go
• 39:46
  to Durham and, and try to put something on the field that, you
• 39:51
  know, it's fully competitive top to bottom four quarters, you
• 39:55
  know, and multiple facets of the game because Manny Diaz and that
• 40:00
  crowded Duke, they're going to they're going to they're going
• 40:04
  to be riding a little high after beating NC State and.
• 40:06
  They're going to, they're going to push some things and, and,
• 40:10
  and try to force them into doing some things.
• 40:13
  So I really think going forward, they need to make sure that they
• 40:17
  like stay focused on getting healthy, stay focused on getting
• 40:19
  that identity and figuring out what they want to do.
• 40:22
  They got two weeks to prepare for that game.
• 40:24
  So I think that's a big thing for them.
• 40:26
  And, and just find some things that work.
• 40:29
  If if it means Tooting their drones or whoever is not
• 40:33
  available for that game, figure out who is going to be available
• 40:37
  and and find the best place that that are going to put them in
• 40:40
  the best situations and make those things work.
• 40:43
  Brian, what were you saying before you you pulled a tally
• 40:45
  and pros? Yeah, I apparently have Alabama
• 40:48
  Internet tonight. Shit, what the hell was I
• 40:53
  saying? It sounded really good.
• 40:55
  And then you just pros. I was talking about, you know,
• 40:59
  we got to win the game when and, and I think, you know, when we
• 41:03
  look at this team, I think we're recalibrating what the
• 41:08
  expectations of this team were and what they actually are.
• 41:13
  And you know, right now what they actually are is basically a
• 41:17
  slightly different version of what we saw last year.
• 41:20
  That's talking, that's coaching, that's that's talent, that's
• 41:24
  that's a little bit of everything.
• 41:25
  And and we thought they were going to be, we thought they
• 41:28
  were going to take a progression level step plus add in a couple
• 41:33
  of new pieces that we were pretty, pretty happy about.
• 41:36
  And I think, you know, some of those pieces have have done
• 41:39
  pretty well when we look at the defensive line, I think everyone
• 41:43
  that's played significant snaps. Has played well.
• 41:46
  Has played well and I, I don't think you have a whole lot to
• 41:50
  really complain about from that front.
• 41:52
  I think Brumfield's been OK. I think from a leadership
• 41:56
  standpoint, we've seen his play matter more than we have
• 41:59
  necessarily from, you know, high in, you know, he's not going out
• 42:04
  there and causing havoc, but he's also a guy that's pretty
• 42:08
  much where you need him to be most of the time.
• 42:11
  And sometimes that's that's better than the alternative.
• 42:14
  And, and, and we've seen that kind of kind of be be the case
• 42:18
  this year. You know, so we've had these
• 42:21
  pieces come in that we were, we were kind of excited about.
• 42:24
  We had some spots we were a little bit worried about.
• 42:26
  And I think the the biggest thing that, you know, I think
• 42:29
  that has taken a little bit of a step back is that we thought we
• 42:32
  were going to be a little bit more explosive in the passing
• 42:36
  game. And we just have not been an
• 42:37
  exclusive passing team at any point of the season outside of a
• 42:45
  play here or there, right? We we, we will have a player to
• 42:47
  a game where we look like we could that's the team that we
• 42:49
  could have been. And but we what we haven't
• 42:51
  really put all those pieces together like we expected to
• 42:54
  this year and have those, you know, games like Syracuse last
• 42:59
  year where we just kind of, you know, blew teams out and
• 43:02
  overwhelmed them in in various ways.
• 43:06
  Our offense has not been quite as dynamic, I think consistently
• 43:11
  dynamic as we expected to be. I think we expected this team to
• 43:14
  be more or less a slightly better version of the product we
• 43:20
  saw to close the year last year. We expected.
• 43:24
  And we reset, we hit, we hit the reset button a little bit.
• 43:26
  We could we took a we took a step back and it took us almost
• 43:29
  a month to really get back to that level.
• 43:32
  And I think in some ways it's improved.
• 43:36
  I think the running game overall is probably a little bit better
• 43:40
  than it was at any point last year.
• 43:42
  But I think, you know, you got tape on what drones can do and
• 43:46
  coaches have have went to work on taking away the things he
• 43:50
  does well and giving him some problems in the things areas
• 43:54
  that he's probably not as polished in.
• 43:57
  And that's been a problem. And we haven't really had a
• 44:00
  great counter punch to that. So, you know, we're
• 44:04
  recalibrating those expectations and we're we're realizing that
• 44:08
  we're, we're basically kind of what we were last year maybe a
• 44:11
  little bit better and we're playing a schedule that's a
• 44:14
  little bit less forgiving. 19th toughest schedule in the country
• 44:18
  this year. I don't think we expected that
• 44:21
  out of the gates definitely. But as far as what we can do
• 44:25
  better moving forward, as we kind of wrap Tell the Truth
• 44:27
  Tuesday up, I think they've got to figure a way to play some of
• 44:31
  the young guys in meaningful situations.
• 44:33
  Not garbage, but you've got to get them out there to get the
• 44:37
  game speed in their head. Not just special teams.
• 44:41
  I'm talking about plays all over the place.
• 44:45
  So, you know, that's where I am. Brian, you said a lot of good
• 44:48
  stuff there. We're going to continue that
• 44:50
  conversation with Robbie. I just want to give a shout out
• 44:52
  to a few people here. First of all, one of our loyal
• 44:56
  listeners, Andretti, always good to hear from you.
• 44:59
  Andretti up in Philly, blood country kind of with you, Brian.
• 45:06
  We expected to average 30, allow 17 and it's been averaged like
• 45:09
  26 at give up like 20-3. And that's when effectively
• 45:14
  Jim's Josh is kind of right there with you too.
• 45:18
  But it's one of those things where it's five games by 31
• 45:21
  points, it's five games by 31 points and, and I know Robbie
• 45:27
  got. To win.
• 45:28
  Exactly. He's got to win.
• 45:29
  We talk about that all the time, the high school levels you got,
• 45:32
  you don't, you can't just win. You have to learn how to win.
• 45:36
  You have to know how to win. And when you, when you're in a
• 45:39
  lot of those tight games like that, it comes down to knowing
• 45:42
  when to really put the foot down defensively and, and, you know,
• 45:46
  cut off the airway on that thread or really drive things
• 45:50
  down. And and you know, as we always
• 45:53
  talk about, run the ball when you when the other team knows
• 45:56
  you're going to run the ball and.
• 45:58
  Just do it. And Curb song, those things,
• 46:01
  Curb song, you have to learn how to do those.
• 46:04
  And what I was talking about with the with the the funny
• 46:08
  parts of that podcast about what could have went wrong.
• 46:11
  It was the V the Virginia Tech for Legends guys on the podcast.
• 46:17
  Oh yeah. So Grayson went on that.
• 46:18
  Grayson and Joe went on that. Race Grayson Wimbish and he's
• 46:23
  he's talking about the urinal troughs and sharing the Turkey
• 46:26
  legs and man, I laughed at that thing for I don't know how long
• 46:30
  listening to them talk about that Grayson is.
• 46:33
  Fucking hilarious. We love having Grayson.
• 46:34
  On here. Don't worry, I have a feeling
• 46:36
  you and Grayson are going to be sharing the same screen about a
• 46:39
  month or right at about 5 weeks from today.
• 46:43
  Yeah, day was. Sounds like pencil.
• 46:47
  It in on your calendar. December 20th is the tentative
• 46:51
  state of the program day. I know school schools ended for
• 46:53
  y'all on the 20th of December so you can and you don't have good
• 46:57
  Internet service so you won't go in and out like last year.
• 47:00
  Actually, you won't have to travel to South Boston the next
• 47:02
  day, so nobody will be angry with.
• 47:04
  Me. Yeah, exactly.
• 47:05
  Trying to figure when their last day of school would be there.
• 47:08
  I think it's like the 18th, 17th, something like that.
• 47:11
  Yeah. So you will be, you will be well
• 47:12
  prepared for that. But anyway, by the way, that is
• 47:15
  going to be, we are looking right now tentative date,
• 47:18
  December 20th. It's a Friday night because I
• 47:21
  ain't stupid enough to do that thing on me work day.
• 47:24
  I will have to be hungover the next day.
• 47:27
  If my wife tells me to run errands, I can live with that.
• 47:29
  I cannot live with going to work with hangover.
• 47:31
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• 47:56
  we continue talking with Coach Robbie Compton here.
• 48:00
  I had long time buddy Robbie again.
• 48:04
  Robbie has pretty much got to watch every game this year,
• 48:08
  which he is very proud of because being a high school
• 48:10
  football coach, sometimes it gets tough.
• 48:12
  And we bringing Robbie's opinion on because a, Robbie has
• 48:17
  obviously been on Virginia Tech numerous times, he said in coach
• 48:22
  meeting rooms. And we wanted to ask just Robbie
• 48:24
  some questions, not only from his perspective of knowing the
• 48:28
  staff, but just from his perspective of going to like
• 48:31
  AFCA clinics, going to other coaching clinics, getting to
• 48:34
  know these guys. We've got some things we want to
• 48:36
  unload on him and he kind of wants to unload too because he's
• 48:40
  had to hold this in for 10 games other than texting us
• 48:43
  occasionally being blowing off. But we got a few things we're
• 48:46
  going to ask him, and I'm going to let Brian kick that off.
• 48:49
  Yeah, man. And you know, we've got to get
• 48:52
  like Nuggets here there throughout these 10 games, you
• 48:57
  know, and I think, I think sometimes, you know, as a, as a
• 49:01
  coach, you kind of understand I've got to, I've got to see a
• 49:06
  little bit more before I actually make this assessment.
• 49:09
  I got to see a little bit more before I actually make this
• 49:11
  assessment. So at the start of the year, the
• 49:13
  criticism was like, it's there, but it's getting better.
• 49:16
  It's there. But I, I, I see something.
• 49:18
  And then as it goes on, you know what?
• 49:20
  This is a trend, guys, we got it.
• 49:22
  We got to, we got to start talking about this a little bit
• 49:24
  more. So I'm going to start here.
• 49:28
  Why do you feel? This team has an offensive
• 49:30
  identity issue. There's from watching the things
• 49:39
  that I see, there doesn't seem to be enough consistency and
• 49:47
  trust and, and what they're trying to do.
• 49:53
  We know they can run the ball, especially when healthy.
• 49:56
  I know when you get injuries, it's kind of stacked up and it
• 49:59
  hurts. It hurts tremendously.
• 50:02
  But we, we, we talked about the, the returning receiver group.
• 50:12
  They're coming. And it almost feels like it
• 50:14
  didn't. They haven't been used quite as
• 50:16
  effectively, quite pushing the boundaries with some of those
• 50:19
  receivers like the the game against Clemson, while you
• 50:26
  always want to have your one and two backs in there with Thomas
• 50:29
  and and and Tooting. But you got these guys, you
• 50:34
  recruited these guys, you saw something in them that you would
• 50:37
  trust. Why are they not getting the
• 50:40
  opportunity? Why are we not continuing to
• 50:42
  put, if we're going to be in build an identity on running the
• 50:45
  ball and running RP OS off of that run and attacking those
• 50:49
  things? Why aren't we, you know, why
• 50:52
  aren't they pushing those things?
• 50:54
  Why are they continuing to do that?
• 50:56
  It almost feels like they're they're kind of holding back and
• 50:59
  and not committing to anything particular.
• 51:04
  And I don't, I don't, I just kind of don't understand why.
• 51:08
  Now, if there's been injuries since the beginning of the
• 51:10
  season that they've been fighting, then maybe that
• 51:13
  answers the question. But you know, I the, the biggest
• 51:17
  issue is it doesn't look like there's been a commitment to
• 51:21
  working certain things. And I, I, I worry about that.
• 51:26
  Can I ask you this, Robbie and me and you hit on this?
• 51:29
  Me and Robbie had about a hour long conversation yesterday and
• 51:32
  that happens with me, him, Ryan sometime with Jason too
• 51:36
  probably. Better in stay holiday.
• 51:37
  Yeah, he'd have to work. I was sitting here working,
• 51:39
  doing some things in the background.
• 51:41
  But I want to ask you this, go back to those first few games
• 51:44
  and when you when you and you said it to me yesterday when you
• 51:50
  didn't see the pocket roll a lot those first couple games.
• 51:52
  Yeah. And and I'm sure you go back
• 51:54
  last year like that shit worked because because you talked about
• 51:59
  a couple times from a defensive perspective with who Kyron
• 52:01
  Drones is, you roll that pocket, Whoever that's linebacker is on
• 52:05
  that side of the ball is in a fucking mind because if you
• 52:09
  choose to go attack him, he is a good enough and and Shelton has
• 52:12
  showed this. He's a good enough intermediate
• 52:14
  passer. He's probably going to complete
• 52:15
  the ball to what's behind you. If you don't attack him, he's
• 52:18
  going to go angle to sideline. He's going to get four to six
• 52:21
  yards. When you see that where it's
• 52:23
  like it's a bread and butter play.
• 52:25
  You rolled the pocket, you got some positive almost every
• 52:28
  fucking time. And you don't see a person call
• 52:31
  that. And I know it's been, oh, it's
• 52:33
  been scouted more, but still, if that linebacker stays home, it's
• 52:38
  still four to six yards, right? Every time.
• 52:41
  When you see that out of the playbook, what does it say to
• 52:45
  you as a coach? Like, what does that say to you?
• 52:47
  Like why isn't that there? In my question, in my mind, it
• 52:52
  immediately questions why isn't it?
• 52:54
  And like I said, is it because he's Karen hadn't been as
• 53:00
  effective doing those things? Is it because he's dealing with
• 53:05
  some kind of injury since the beginning of the season that is
• 53:08
  not going to allow him to do that as much?
• 53:10
  I mean, I, I know these coaches, they don't have to answer to us,
• 53:16
  you know, but like, you kind of wonder exactly why, you know, as
• 53:23
  a fan, you're going to look at it and go, this was so effective
• 53:26
  before. Why isn't it?
• 53:28
  Why aren't you doing it now? And there has to be a reason
• 53:30
  behind it. And that's part of what I
• 53:35
  wondered. I mean, it has drums been beat
• 53:37
  up since spring ball or since fall camp that that's causing
• 53:43
  some of these issues? Is there they just don't trust
• 53:48
  decision making? Do they not trust the is some
• 53:53
  trust been lost in the receivers and and with the drops and
• 53:56
  things? What's the reason behind not
• 54:00
  doing those things? We can't see that our biggest
• 54:03
  question. Well, and and and but I'll let
• 54:05
  you chat and you're saying and but that's the whole piece is we
• 54:08
  don't understand. It's if he's it will a if he's
• 54:12
  injured, then why are you still plowing him into the line?
• 54:15
  If he's still injured? That is the first thing is he is
• 54:18
  he still injured? But then it's it's I'm going to
• 54:20
  put up with Josh said here because I like what he said
• 54:23
  right there. I mean, obviously he's a little.
• 54:30
  Yeah, he's somewhat, but at the beginning of seasoning team it's
• 54:32
  like that he doesn't know what he's trying to do himself.
• 54:35
  He's like, well maybe I need to do this and I need to do that
• 54:37
  versus, you know, there's always bread and butter plays.
• 54:41
  I mean, y'all, y'all know who I'm a fan of with the Niners?
• 54:47
  We all we all have our teams right Right now for for each
• 54:53
  three of us. Robbie gets to be happy this
• 54:55
  year because his Washington boys are rolling.
• 54:57
  Brian, your team still fighting still not out of it.
• 55:00
  But for example, go go go to all three of us bread and butter.
• 55:05
  San Francisco plays outside zone if ain't shit else working
• 55:08
  outside zone. Robbie, you starting to see
• 55:11
  stuff with Daniels this year where it's like there's the
• 55:13
  bread and butter right there. If they run that play, it's
• 55:15
  going to be positive. Brian with you.
• 55:17
  It's probably a little inside trap with Quentin Nelson and
• 55:21
  Frickin Taylor following them up in the hole.
• 55:23
  It should be. But it we sit here and it's
• 55:26
  there's no bread and butter in the bread and butter that we saw
• 55:29
  so much last year. Some of the RPO's?
• 55:33
  Have we thrown an RPO slant any this year?
• 55:37
  It's I've seen a few. It's been mixed in there, but it
• 55:39
  it not to the frequency that it. Was last.
• 55:42
  Year, all right. Sorry.
• 55:44
  I'd say just RPO in general has been a lot less frequently
• 55:49
  deployed in the offense this year for one reason or another.
• 55:54
  I think we've seen we've, we've, we've seen some of the, the zone
• 56:00
  read elements that we saw, you know, towards the back half of
• 56:03
  the last year. I think the thing that changed
• 56:05
  the most is that, you know, when it comes to the drop backs, I
• 56:09
  mean, it's it's very much pocket focused or at least primarily
• 56:14
  pocket focused. And whether that's an emphasis
• 56:17
  by Bowen to try to, you know, round out Kyron's skill set,
• 56:21
  whether that's just an emphasis of the offense to give them more
• 56:28
  whole field reads or more dynamic reads from the
• 56:31
  quarterback position. And instead of cutting the field
• 56:34
  in half like you kind of do with the rollouts.
• 56:37
  I don't know what the what the the thought process is, but at
• 56:41
  some point you got to understand who your personnel is and what
• 56:44
  they do well and if. You're not.
• 56:46
  If you're not leaning on those things, you're doing a
• 56:49
  disservice to that personnel. Yeah, but that's kind of a
• 56:52
  that's a little bit of a old way of thinking right now.
• 56:55
  You know, I got to get I got to Polish him up in the pocket,
• 56:58
  things like that, get him ready for the NFL game, that kind of
• 57:01
  thing. The NFL games evolving to to
• 57:04
  what he's good at. It's evolving to those kinds of
• 57:08
  things. So why why sit there and try to
• 57:10
  focus so much on the polished pocket passing when so many of
• 57:15
  the NFL teams are working towards not using as much of
• 57:18
  that? I mean, of course you still got
• 57:21
  some that are going to use it. I mean, it is what it is.
• 57:24
  But you know, you've you've got them.
• 57:26
  Lamar Jackson's Jayden Daniels, the you know, the Anthony
• 57:31
  Richardson when he can not be tired enough to play.
• 57:34
  And I'm honestly say the minute he tapped his own helmet and
• 57:42
  took yourself out of the game, I dropped him for my fantasy team.
• 57:45
  He was behind my Holmes anyway. But I mean that just those kinds
• 57:51
  of things. I mean showcase what he's got.
• 57:55
  I mean, if he, if he can play in the pocket and do those things,
• 57:57
  he'll show it when they need him to.
• 58:00
  He can work on those things. But you can't.
• 58:02
  You can't let that be the detriment of the team that's
• 58:04
  trying to Polish that one player for something like that.
• 58:08
  And I would hope that's not what they're doing, but.
• 58:10
  I would not either. You can't take the biggest
• 58:13
  strength of what Karen Drone was last year and try to put that in
• 58:17
  a box. Yeah, because it wasn't that.
• 58:20
  It wasn't that and so. You know, I think also like it's
• 58:24
  it's the confidence piece of it too, because you know, I'll
• 58:29
  throw the comment up here. Where is it here?
• 58:33
  Who's Oh yeah. So let's talk about this right.
• 58:37
  So let's talk about this. If y'all haven't noticed, and
• 58:41
  we've got now almost two whole years, you know, pushing that at
• 58:45
  least of of watching Kyron play football.
• 58:48
  When Kyron is a comfortable and confident player, that spills
• 58:55
  over into the type of output we have week to week.
• 59:00
  You're able to get him comfortable and feel like he's
• 59:04
  in the right flow of the game early on.
• 59:09
  He is a lot more efficient as a passer when he doesn't get into
• 59:14
  the flow of the game early on. It is very, it's roller coaster
• 59:19
  it, it's very much play dependent, it's very much scheme
• 59:22
  dependent. It's not necessarily he's going
• 59:24
  out there and just crisp, crisp, crisp.
• 59:27
  But when he is feeling it, when he is confident, you get a whole
• 59:31
  lot more of that. And I don't think we've done a
• 59:34
  good enough job early in games getting Kyron comfortable in the
• 59:40
  offense where he plays with that peak confidence level that he
• 59:44
  needs to be his best. Yeah.
• 59:48
  Got you. All right.
• 59:49
  I'm all I'm all flip away from the offense because we can my
• 59:52
  line that. But Robbie, you are a defensive
• 59:55
  coordinator. You've coached defense mostly
• 59:57
  all of your 20, not 20. Is it 20?
• 1:00:00
  Years 2021 years high school football.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah, and. We owe holy shit.
• 1:00:05
  Hey deep breath Robbie, you've coached high school football 20
• 1:00:07
  years, but in in your opinion, let's go to the defense because
• 1:00:10
  the defense is regressed as well.
• 1:00:11
  If y'all want to know defensive and offensive regressions, these
• 1:00:14
  teams both finished around the 50 mark last year in total
• 1:00:18
  offense total. I always look total offense,
• 1:00:19
  total defense, not point score. Because, you know, take a look
• 1:00:22
  at the Boston College game, they were within a touchdown and had
• 1:00:26
  like 7 yards of offense and they were within a touchdown.
• 1:00:30
  To me, the total offense, total defense says I am consistently
• 1:00:34
  moving the ball or I'm consistently not letting the
• 1:00:36
  ball be moved. We're 83rd and 80.
• 1:00:38
  You take some of the luck out of.
• 1:00:40
  Exactly. You take the weird bounces.
• 1:00:43
  I always look at that. You can't win a game with 500
• 1:00:46
  yards offense in three points. It's fair, but if you.
• 1:00:50
  Have it. Depends on what you want.
• 1:00:52
  It depends on what you want to assess.
• 1:00:53
  And I get that and but I think both of those are valid points
• 1:00:56
  depending on what you want to assess.
• 1:00:58
  But if you want to assess can you consistently move the ball
• 1:01:01
  and can you consistently stop teams that are moving the ball,
• 1:01:04
  looking at yards is more important than points.
• 1:01:06
  Can I ask a question Robin? If you find 503, I want to see
• 1:01:10
  it. I will watch that game beginning
• 1:01:12
  to end because that will be the most impressive fuck up when
• 1:01:14
  somebody got inside the 15 yard line.
• 1:01:16
  First, Steelers won a whole lot of football games in the late
• 1:01:20
  90s, early 2000s around there, with Jerome Bettis running for
• 1:01:24
  25 yards and three touchdowns and winning games 21 to 14.
• 1:01:29
  Exactly. It's crazy.
• 1:01:31
  It can be done, but let me ask this.
• 1:01:33
  Let's go defense as the defensive coordinator.
• 1:01:38
  Look through the lens, what has been the most disappointing unit
• 1:01:41
  this year? It obviously ain't the defensive
• 1:01:43
  line, so we can already take that one out because you already
• 1:01:45
  said that they're probably the best unit of the whole team.
• 1:01:48
  Yes, I have to say, I think it's the linebackers.
• 1:01:54
  I really do like you. You had a you had a height guy
• 1:02:00
  coming in from in the inside backer position coming with
• 1:02:04
  Brumfield. And while I think he he's he's
• 1:02:07
  done fairly well, it hasn't been it hasn't they haven't stood out
• 1:02:16
  at anything. You know, they had their issues
• 1:02:19
  of, of making reads and filling where they were supposed to
• 1:02:22
  against Vanderbilt in the first game.
• 1:02:26
  They've done better against downhill running teams, you
• 1:02:29
  know, coming in filling gaps, but they're they're very
• 1:02:34
  athletic, very quick players, but I don't see a legitimate
• 1:02:42
  hole filling monster linebacker that's going to play hash to
• 1:02:47
  hash. I I just don't feel like they
• 1:02:51
  have that play. And we may be spoiled for years
• 1:02:55
  of of Hollyfield and. Vince all all.
• 1:03:00
  Through this one, because my wife worked with the Matua
• 1:03:03
  Puaka. You know, you don't have that
• 1:03:06
  kind of just downright nasty linebacker.
• 1:03:11
  Well, you got to act sometimes. But is it to you Robbie too in
• 1:03:15
  this case, even though if they weren't the nasty feel like that
• 1:03:21
  you kind of me and you were kind of talk about it too.
• 1:03:23
  Is they're at this stage at this stage, it's three years.
• 1:03:30
  They're they're a lot of times they're making plays because of
• 1:03:32
  athleticism, not because of, I don't want to say been taught,
• 1:03:37
  but effectively been taught to read the keys know exactly where
• 1:03:40
  to go. Is that why maybe even more
• 1:03:43
  disappointed because it's not like, OK, it's the first time
• 1:03:46
  you're trying to teach the kids to do it.
• 1:03:48
  Yeah, I feel like the place that they are making is because of
• 1:03:50
  their athleticism, not because of the scheme and the the things
• 1:03:55
  that they're trying to do. And that's what that bothers me
• 1:03:58
  more than anything. OK, I don't know that the that
• 1:04:02
  the scheme is is there for what we're going to run against.
• 1:04:07
  In some ways they're they're very athletic and I think that
• 1:04:13
  makes up for a lot of things. But that athleticism will take
• 1:04:18
  you out of position at times too.
• 1:04:20
  You can over pursue things, you can overrun things.
• 1:04:22
  We saw a lot of that early in the year, linebackers
• 1:04:25
  overrunning things, getting caught in washes, things cutting
• 1:04:28
  back behind them. Vanderbilt took full advantage
• 1:04:31
  of a lot of those things in the first game.
• 1:04:34
  And I mean, those kind of things hurt.
• 1:04:37
  And I think, I think having that linebacker that kind of
• 1:04:41
  consistently knows the schematics and, and reads and
• 1:04:47
  keys and not just relying on his athletic ability.
• 1:04:51
  I mean, bottom line there, we've had some really good linebackers
• 1:04:55
  that weren't the most athletic, fastest sideline to sideline
• 1:05:01
  tight linebackers and they've been very effective.
• 1:05:06
  So I mean that that's a big thing I'll look at.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, I agree with you. And I mean, when we look at, you
• 1:05:16
  know, you talk, you talk about the discipline piece of it, you
• 1:05:20
  know, we had a whole game looking at the Rutgers game
• 1:05:23
  where they just ran that RPO over and over and over and over
• 1:05:27
  and we just didn't have an answer for it.
• 1:05:31
  So I mean it, it's been kind of one of those very inconsistent
• 1:05:36
  performances from that group overall.
• 1:05:38
  I mean, I think Woodson is for still being a young player is
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  he's a freshman, He's the most talented.
• 1:05:44
  He's a red shirt freshman in. That group, he's he's showing
• 1:05:48
  himself to have that capability and I don't know if he's he has
• 1:05:52
  the capability to to play inside.
• 1:05:54
  But yeah, I think I think he's getting to a point where he's
• 1:05:59
  going to be the future at that position for this unit.
• 1:06:04
  But we outside of that, we've got guys that they can be
• 1:06:08
  disruptive, but they're not consistent.
• 1:06:11
  And I think that's. We're not disciplined.
• 1:06:13
  Exactly. And it's not always just
• 1:06:15
  discipline, but it's, it's the consistency the of play from,
• 1:06:20
  from these guys. And it sometimes it ebbs and
• 1:06:23
  flows in terms of effort. Sometimes it ebbs and flows of
• 1:06:26
  turn in terms of techniques. Sometimes it ebbs and flows in
• 1:06:29
  terms of discipline There. It's so it's, it's, it's
• 1:06:33
  something different every week. And that's why it's hard to
• 1:06:38
  really get a gauge on what to fix or what you think needs to
• 1:06:43
  be fixed because you're getting kind of different information
• 1:06:46
  week to week. And that's, that's a reflection
• 1:06:48
  of coaching because it's showing that you're not, you're, you're
• 1:06:54
  chasing an answer instead of going out there and breaking it
• 1:06:58
  down to the nuts and bolts and building up that foundation that
• 1:07:01
  you need to. You're chasing the adjustment
• 1:07:04
  rather than having a game plan and a definite set idea.
• 1:07:11
  You're like. You keep throwing the bubble gum
• 1:07:13
  on the leak. Yeah, and now you got this one
• 1:07:17
  handled. Now you got another one over
• 1:07:18
  here. So you chewing another damn
• 1:07:20
  piece of bubble gum and throwing it on that leak?
• 1:07:22
  You just got to get some damn flex seal man.
• 1:07:29
  Like that? Like that I, I think just with
• 1:07:34
  the linebackers, I think that still it's that piece, that
• 1:07:37
  Brian Utah, it's consistency, it's a we'll got.
• 1:07:40
  I'm going to put what Josh put up here just a second ago.
• 1:07:45
  College linebackers will still overrun plays.
• 1:07:48
  Yes. They will still shoot the wrong
• 1:07:50
  gap, but the question is if it's four out of every 10 times
• 1:07:55
  versus one or two out of every 10 times, Because if it's four,
• 1:08:01
  you don't get burned. And to me, that's where we are.
• 1:08:03
  We're at like it's four times out of 10, not 2 or one time out
• 1:08:07
  of 10. It's that it's what Brian just
• 1:08:08
  said. It's consistency.
• 1:08:10
  We understand it's going to happen.
• 1:08:11
  It's the Rutgers game when you know the play they are running.
• 1:08:15
  First of all, as a coach, I'm sure you have grabbed people by
• 1:08:18
  the mask and say stay with your man.
• 1:08:22
  I don't care what they are doing, stay with your man.
• 1:08:28
  I haven't done that this week, season here the last week, but.
• 1:08:34
  Well played. Stay with your.
• 1:08:37
  But what if he's running this way?
• 1:08:39
  I don't care. But Mr. Young, there's got a
• 1:08:42
  point. I mean, that's kind of what I
• 1:08:44
  was talking about with some of these linebackers.
• 1:08:47
  You know, they're so caught up in the fact that the, you know,
• 1:08:52
  the weak side backer can catch the guy running the damn stretch
• 1:08:57
  on the strong side and running down.
• 1:09:00
  But the minute that quarterback pulls it while he's trying to
• 1:09:03
  chase that down and comes back to where you just were, that
• 1:09:06
  athletic ability, that speed is negated because you're not
• 1:09:11
  making reads. You're not taking
• 1:09:12
  responsibilities for what's there.
• 1:09:14
  You're too busy worrying about being the athlete and I, and
• 1:09:18
  that's either not being taught or it's a part where there's too
• 1:09:26
  much freedom being given to make that decision.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, Robbie, talk a little bit about the kind of free flow
• 1:09:35
  linebacker techniques that they're being taught and how
• 1:09:38
  that can kind of get you into these problems.
• 1:09:42
  Like I looked at some of it when when we were there at the thing
• 1:09:48
  and it's it's more of a of a reading certain key game in,
• 1:09:56
  game out. They're going to have different
• 1:09:57
  keys, different teams are going to give you different things.
• 1:10:00
  They're reading those keys and looking at those things.
• 1:10:02
  But it's almost as though the linebackers aren't necessarily
• 1:10:09
  specifically gap responsible. And it's just following those
• 1:10:13
  keys and reading the keys and attacking.
• 1:10:16
  And what's happening is they're seeing these keys and people are
• 1:10:20
  starting to throw false keys at them.
• 1:10:23
  So they're they're doing certain things.
• 1:10:25
  That's where those RPO's and the the the zone reads and the
• 1:10:30
  things like that really hurt you.
• 1:10:32
  When you start looking at a certain key and it's flowing,
• 1:10:35
  they start using that key against you.
• 1:10:38
  Yeah. And I feel like I saw.
• 1:10:40
  It with we had we had some double pullers in Clemson.
• 1:10:44
  Yes. And and they chased the pulls
• 1:10:46
  and the and club Dick was going going to the left and had a wide
• 1:10:49
  open fucking alley. And that, that's part of that
• 1:10:52
  whole thing. You know, you come back and it
• 1:10:54
  always comes back to, you know, if you're going to if you're
• 1:10:57
  going to flow that way, then you have to have a spy on the guy.
• 1:11:00
  They can they can come out to back to hurt you exactly whether
• 1:11:04
  it be that quarterback or whether it be a a counter back
• 1:11:07
  or something like that. You have where your.
• 1:11:09
  Spy helps. That's where your your backside
• 1:11:11
  edge setter is going to be like. There's going to be guys that
• 1:11:14
  you're going to need to have that backside contain
• 1:11:18
  responsibility if you're going to flow that heavy to wherever
• 1:11:23
  those keys take you. To to me at the high school
• 1:11:26
  level, when we're going to, when we're going to flow that heavy
• 1:11:28
  with our linebackers and we're going to we're going to fight to
• 1:11:31
  this particular key. Then I use a lot more zone
• 1:11:36
  coverage behind it because I have other guys as DBS and
• 1:11:40
  safeties or somebody that can come down and help if that's the
• 1:11:44
  case. Well, it's really hard to to
• 1:11:47
  follow those keys so hard when you're going to lock things up
• 1:11:51
  in man looks you, you have less people because they're going to
• 1:11:55
  be responsible for one person. You don't have that security
• 1:11:59
  back in. They're not looking at the
• 1:12:01
  backfield. Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Like if you, if you've ever tried to run a defense, if
• 1:12:06
  you've ever tried to run against an option offense and play man,
• 1:12:10
  it's it's of a gun because they're going to line up a
• 1:12:12
  receiver and just running straight down the field.
• 1:12:15
  DB has to go with him. And now you don't have an, you
• 1:12:17
  don't have extra protection on that age.
• 1:12:20
  Everybody has to be exactly right.
• 1:12:23
  And I think part of that is kind of what they're running into as
• 1:12:26
  well with a lot of the man schemes and stuff that they run
• 1:12:30
  and things. Not saying that there are bad
• 1:12:31
  things, but you lose some of that extra that added
• 1:12:36
  protection. Like I like to set up a lot of
• 1:12:39
  my defensive stuff to where I almost have a bonus guy in most
• 1:12:42
  situations. So a guy that's not necessarily
• 1:12:46
  locked on the anything in particular.
• 1:12:49
  And I try to put him to a place where I know it's going to
• 1:12:52
  benefit me more than anything else.
• 1:12:56
  And so I play a lot of zone coverage.
• 1:12:59
  Now I get I have to understand where my holes are when I do
• 1:13:02
  that and where we're vulnerable, but I mean, I make my
• 1:13:10
  linebackers completely gap responsible.
• 1:13:12
  Now, whether they are gap responsible, but you know, given
• 1:13:18
  a gap responsibility because I don't have those crazy athletic
• 1:13:23
  linebackers like they're dealing with got you.
• 1:13:26
  And we still get caught up in in flow of stuff even when we're
• 1:13:30
  gap responsible. So I mean, it's, it is what it
• 1:13:34
  is, but I like something needs to be adjusted there in some
• 1:13:39
  way. If if you're going to keep free
• 1:13:41
  flowing that quickly in the front, you better have some
• 1:13:45
  protection backside for it. Let me ask you this question and
• 1:13:48
  this is, you know, some, some for me, some for some for people
• 1:13:51
  listening and watching here. The benefits, I think I think we
• 1:13:55
  understand that, you know, one of the benefits of free flow is
• 1:13:59
  that you can be a little bit more disruptive with your
• 1:14:00
  linebackers, right? Yes.
• 1:14:02
  But what are some of the other benefits of of being less
• 1:14:07
  explicitly gap responsible and having a little bit more of a
• 1:14:10
  free flow with your linebackers? Is it like for example is is it
• 1:14:17
  better adjustment when there's like motion pre snap?
• 1:14:24
  Possibly a good possibility. Like there's benefits and and
• 1:14:31
  there's pros and cons to each one, to any of them, obviously.
• 1:14:36
  But like you have to understand what the group as a whole is
• 1:14:43
  going to be able to provide. And I know they get to, they get
• 1:14:47
  to pick their guys to fit into what they want to do, where I
• 1:14:51
  kind of have to fit what I'm going to do with the guys that I
• 1:14:55
  have. Yeah.
• 1:14:57
  And the crazy thing is with a staff is, you know, is
• 1:15:01
  relatively new as this crowd is, they may not have all guys that
• 1:15:08
  they can fit into their scheme that they have to kind of adapt
• 1:15:11
  the scheme to the players that they do have.
• 1:15:16
  Because believe it or not, even it being in the third year,
• 1:15:19
  there's some positions out there that these guys are coaching
• 1:15:21
  that they didn't recruit any of those players.
• 1:15:23
  It's. True.
• 1:15:26
  Definitely not from high school. Definitely not from high school.
• 1:15:30
  But the, the, the free flowing thing, it allows you to kind of
• 1:15:35
  to flex more and move more. It allows the front to be able
• 1:15:40
  to move around with motions and changing sides of the strength
• 1:15:44
  and things like that, because then they don't have to shift to
• 1:15:48
  find their new gap and things like that.
• 1:15:51
  It also allows you sometimes to get more people to the point of
• 1:15:54
  contact as long as they're reading the keys properly.
• 1:15:58
  It's when you read the keys improperly and there's no one on
• 1:16:01
  the backside and the next thing you know it's sometimes.
• 1:16:04
  It's not necessary. Sometimes you read the key
• 1:16:06
  exactly the way you you're supposed to, but the key was put
• 1:16:10
  there for a reason. Is to take mind off of another
• 1:16:14
  area so that they can go back in it.
• 1:16:16
  That that's the whole point of his own right.
• 1:16:20
  It's a false key. You said it earlier, it's a
• 1:16:22
  false key. Back when Brian and I were
• 1:16:24
  playing, the way to do that was called a counter.
• 1:16:27
  You know, you, you get the lineman to step one way, you
• 1:16:30
  step this way and then you pull 2 back to the other side, you
• 1:16:32
  bring him back. OK, that was the counter.
• 1:16:36
  Oh, now you got the zone where you send the guy and you pull a
• 1:16:38
  guy out there in front of him and then you bring this H back
• 1:16:42
  in and lead up here and have your quarterback follow it on
• 1:16:45
  the backside. So when you get that free
• 1:16:47
  flowing linebacker chasing the pool there, there's nobody
• 1:16:52
  there. There's one guy left over there.
• 1:16:54
  He's a, you know, the backside backer or the safety coming down
• 1:16:57
  or something and then he's getting ISO from that H back and
• 1:17:00
  the quarterbacks pulling around behind it and.
• 1:17:03
  Then and then once they think they figure that out, you mix
• 1:17:05
  them some split zone and and and fuck with them a little bit more
• 1:17:09
  with with their gaps. All right, let's move on.
• 1:17:13
  Robbie got a few more things I want to hit with you here.
• 1:17:15
  I want to talk about game management next, because that is
• 1:17:18
  a point of contention amongst the hokey community right now.
• 1:17:23
  I'm going to ask you this first so we can we we know where you
• 1:17:26
  stand. You're part of a high school
• 1:17:28
  staff, yes. Are you, do you have any
• 1:17:30
  responsibilities of game management from your role?
• 1:17:35
  Yes, which is so we all know. Well, I am the defensive
• 1:17:42
  coordinator and I, I have, I have pretty much free range to,
• 1:17:48
  to operate as I need to on the defensive side, you know, as far
• 1:17:53
  as making the decisions of what to do when and, and when to
• 1:17:58
  blitz. And you know, I have that kind
• 1:18:01
  of autonomy for those things. The head coach that I work for,
• 1:18:04
  we've been coaching together for Jesus 1617 years, something like
• 1:18:11
  that. We there's a lot of times in
• 1:18:14
  football games, the two of us know what each other are
• 1:18:16
  thinking. He knows when I'm going to blitz
• 1:18:19
  certain things. He knows when I'm going to
• 1:18:21
  attack certain things. I know when he's going to run
• 1:18:23
  certain plays on offense. And it's just kind of a, you
• 1:18:28
  know, we have, we have that work.
• 1:18:31
  We're on that same page. And the good part is we ain't
• 1:18:36
  game situations Defensively. I get a little hard headed and
• 1:18:42
  things at times there. There's been times where I was
• 1:18:45
  talking about having the ability to call a time out.
• 1:18:48
  There's times he calls a time out while we're on defense
• 1:18:51
  because he looks at me, he's like, hey, you need a time out.
• 1:18:53
  And I'm like, no, no, these guys got to figure out what the hell
• 1:18:56
  is going on and and nut up and fix it.
• 1:18:59
  And he goes, well, we're going to call a time out and you're
• 1:19:01
  going to tell him how to fix it. I mean those kinds of things,
• 1:19:09
  but there's there's a lot less thought process.
• 1:19:14
  Well, I don't want to say it that way.
• 1:19:17
  I was going to say there's a lot less thought process in the game
• 1:19:19
  management part on defense, but there's not.
• 1:19:22
  I mean, you got the the object of it is tackle a man with the
• 1:19:25
  ball, keep him in front of the states.
• 1:19:27
  It comes down to true. There's a lot more game
• 1:19:30
  management to it on the offensive side all.
• 1:19:33
  Right. Do you have a responsibility on
• 1:19:35
  that side of the ball? I don't know that I would say I
• 1:19:39
  have responsibility as much as I am looked at as somebody that I
• 1:19:46
  can give sound advice and I know particular situations and what
• 1:19:51
  statistically should be the best call in certain situations.
• 1:19:54
  All right. So, so hold on, does Dave buzz
• 1:19:58
  you when it's 4th and three from the 50 yard line, you're down to
• 1:20:01
  points middle of the third quarter?
• 1:20:04
  Yeah, he'll ask. And what do you think?
• 1:20:07
  OK, what? What?
• 1:20:09
  What should we do right here? What's 4th and 3:50 What's there
• 1:20:13
  we go I'm I'm gonna go here we go 4th and 345 yard line.
• 1:20:17
  You're down to points 2119 10 minutes left in the game.
• 1:20:23
  So you got a little bit of game left.
• 1:20:24
  What do you do? What what is first of all, I
• 1:20:27
  know there's the sheet, but you said y'all have y'all's own
• 1:20:29
  sheet, right? Like there's the sheet and then
• 1:20:32
  there's your own sheet. Statistically, statistically
• 1:20:35
  with 10 minutes left, you're you're in the plus 8 minute
• 1:20:39
  mark. Yeah, the the right idea is that
• 1:20:42
  you're only down to points. You don't have a field goal
• 1:20:44
  kicker that can kick it from the 45 yard line because that's a
• 1:20:47
  5253 yard field goal. Something like.
• 1:20:51
  That high school, we don't have that guy.
• 1:20:53
  Some colleges you don't have that guy.
• 1:20:55
  Let's just face it, because that'll give you the lead.
• 1:20:58
  You get a field goal. Statistically, it says you
• 1:21:02
  should probably punt. Try to pin them inside the 10
• 1:21:04
  inside the five, which you can do in in many situations in
• 1:21:10
  college game and and play it out.
• 1:21:14
  You got to trust your defense in that situation.
• 1:21:16
  Make a stop there, not allow them.
• 1:21:19
  It's hard to run 10 minutes off of a clock.
• 1:21:22
  Unless you army Chelsea that drive, by the way.
• 1:21:24
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  Did did that make you cringe the different first?
• 1:21:29
  I know. Did that make you cringe, The
• 1:21:31
  defensive coordinator saying that?
• 1:21:33
  It could, yes. It's very well.
• 1:21:34
  Can we? Got four more?
• 1:21:37
  Yards, it's it's going to tell you you should go for it.
• 1:21:39
  I mean, you should, you should go ahead and stop it.
• 1:21:42
  You should punt it and and do everything you can defensively
• 1:21:46
  because if you could pin them inside the five, you can get
• 1:21:50
  pressure, especially in Virginia Techs way right now get
• 1:21:53
  pressure. You might can get a safety out
• 1:21:55
  of it. You might can get them to have
• 1:21:58
  to punt from in the end zone and then who knows what can happen
• 1:22:04
  now us at a high school level, we we crossed the 50.
• 1:22:09
  We're probably going for it there you.
• 1:22:11
  Go. And and what our thought process
• 1:22:14
  is, OK, we only need 3 yards, we're going to go for it.
• 1:22:17
  So we're going to, we're going to have our 5 yard hitch routes,
• 1:22:20
  we're going to have our middle screen like a hot screen from
• 1:22:26
  the back coming out, try to drop it underneath and and get what
• 1:22:30
  we can. If they're blitzing, we should
• 1:22:32
  be able to drop it behind the blitzing backer, things like
• 1:22:34
  that. Well, in high school you always
• 1:22:37
  have that added part of, OK, my hitch is covered.
• 1:22:42
  My hot route, that one backer didn't blitz, he's sitting in
• 1:22:46
  the middle on it. OK, I can chunk it high and
• 1:22:48
  float it 30 yards and it's essentially a punt because 8 out
• 1:22:54
  of 10 high school safeties, in their mind, I'm catching an
• 1:22:57
  interception, I'm catching this basket.
• 1:23:00
  He catches the ball to four or five yard line and the receiver
• 1:23:03
  that's going down there, his intention is not to go catch the
• 1:23:06
  ball for a huge ass Hail Mary touchdown.
• 1:23:08
  This, that guy catches it. I got to tackle him as quickly
• 1:23:10
  as possible, you know, get that benefit in college.
• 1:23:16
  Most of those DBS are going, I knock this down, that ball goes
• 1:23:20
  back up there in high school. These kids are going
• 1:23:24
  interception, interception and they're going to catch it.
• 1:23:27
  And some of them might fall down trying to take off running
• 1:23:29
  before they get their feet on the ground.
• 1:23:33
  I speak from experience. I mean, those situations are
• 1:23:40
  there's always a statistically expected way to do it and
• 1:23:45
  they're they people put together sheets and all of this of plus
• 1:23:49
  10 minutes under 8 minutes. Oh Lord, that's awesome.
• 1:24:00
  We don't play South Stokes anymore but I'd love to.
• 1:24:06
  Got me thrown all off all. Right, there's what we do.
• 1:24:09
  But we, we've always, when you got those sheets and you got all
• 1:24:12
  of those things and I mean, you could put together binders and
• 1:24:17
  binders of situational things, but can you look through that
• 1:24:22
  binder in 25 to 40 seconds that you get on the sideline to make
• 1:24:26
  a decision? Now you're making a decision
• 1:24:29
  from here and you're going with, you know, you have every coach
• 1:24:33
  that's ever put it together, a game plan for a week has
• 1:24:36
  situational things that they're expecting that could happen and
• 1:24:39
  that you have to be prepared to do.
• 1:24:41
  And inevitably, every game you get into, all of those
• 1:24:44
  situational things that you practiced all week aren't going
• 1:24:47
  to come up. And the ones you didn't practice
• 1:24:49
  with. But Rob, you were telling me
• 1:24:51
  with that though, you said you feel like y'all have the index
• 1:24:56
  card, right? You have cards that basically
• 1:24:59
  you say, you say the one reason Dave comes to you every time is
• 1:25:03
  pretty much you got it memorized.
• 1:25:07
  The time out, yeah, we'll take a time out kind of thing is, is in
• 1:25:13
  my head, the two point conversion versus PAT is always
• 1:25:17
  in my mind and the punt versus go for it to an extent is in
• 1:25:24
  there. Have the the idea of you know
• 1:25:29
  what statistically is said should be done in those
• 1:25:31
  situations. Now do we follow those not all
• 1:25:35
  of them. The ones that we follow the most
• 1:25:38
  is probably the PAT versus 2 point.
• 1:25:42
  I mean, if, if you're, if you can tie it with the PAT, you
• 1:25:46
  kick the PAT, but if the PAT is still going to leave you down by
• 1:25:50
  1, go for two. Because if you, you go for 2:00
• 1:25:55
  and you miss it, now you're down by two.
• 1:25:57
  The field goal still gets it. I mean, those, those things are
• 1:26:01
  just, you know, those little things.
• 1:26:05
  But what it comes down to, man, you can, you can look at all of
• 1:26:08
  those things you want to, you can cover all of those different
• 1:26:12
  cards and books and statistics and all of that.
• 1:26:15
  Bottom line is when when you make a decision, you have to
• 1:26:19
  stand behind it and you can make that decision and people would
• 1:26:24
  go, oh, he made this decision. He's got balls.
• 1:26:27
  And when it goes right rocks. It's because you were, you were
• 1:26:33
  and you. But when it goes wrong, you're
• 1:26:36
  the dumbest son of a gun. It's ever made that decision and
• 1:26:40
  there was no way you could be right.
• 1:26:42
  So Robbie, let's let's, let's talk about one of those, then
• 1:26:45
  let's talk you. Watched it, I told you it's
• 1:26:49
  coming. Yeah.
• 1:26:52
  If if, if you're a coach and you if you watch the, you watch the
• 1:26:55
  team run out the clock with 29 seconds left and a field goal
• 1:27:00
  kicker that's good for 50 plus with three timeouts in their
• 1:27:03
  pocket. What do you say 31 points that
• 1:27:07
  has scored 31 points, Not that it scored three or six, that it
• 1:27:11
  scored 31 points. You need 40 to 45 yards to get
• 1:27:15
  into your your kickers field goal range and you got 29
• 1:27:18
  seconds three time outs. And you, you, you take those
• 1:27:21
  time outs and you flush them down the toilet along with that
• 1:27:23
  29 seconds to play for overtime with your, with your defense
• 1:27:27
  that has been consistently getting gashed the entirety of
• 1:27:30
  the second. Half it's AI know exactly what
• 1:27:34
  you talk about it it it comes down to coach Woh and I talked
• 1:27:37
  about it some yesterday and we because I talked to Curtis about
• 1:27:41
  this, then him and I talked about it a little bit yesterday.
• 1:27:43
  It it kind of comes to a fear for us.
• 1:27:46
  It comes to a feel of the game, like you just said, you had
• 1:27:49
  moments where you were getting gashed.
• 1:27:51
  Where is the momentum sitting? You got to think like that.
• 1:27:55
  Like you go out and you, you've got 30 seconds and you got 3
• 1:28:00
  timeouts, OK, And you mind it, it's plenty of time to get what
• 1:28:04
  you need to. OK, You, you run the ball, you
• 1:28:07
  gain 4-5 and the clock's running.
• 1:28:11
  You call that timeout, OK, you stopped the clock.
• 1:28:14
  You're down to, you know, 24 seconds now.
• 1:28:18
  Well, you're second and six. It's one of those kind of in
• 1:28:24
  between. Do you run the ball again using
• 1:28:25
  all the time out? Maybe you get another six or
• 1:28:28
  seven. Maybe you break a bigger run.
• 1:28:30
  Maybe they stop you for a loss. You throw something short,
• 1:28:35
  intermediate, somewhere around there.
• 1:28:36
  You get to pick up the first down clock stops.
• 1:28:39
  You get up, you get on it, you throw an incomplete pass, you
• 1:28:43
  lost. You got 3 seconds off the clock,
• 1:28:45
  the clock stops. Now you're 3rd and 6th.
• 1:28:50
  Now in just about everybody's mind, you have to throw it.
• 1:28:55
  So then you throw another incomplete.
• 1:28:57
  The pass gets broken up by a good play, so now it's 4th down
• 1:29:02
  with 21 seconds left. What do you do?
• 1:29:07
  So I mean, it's kind of a feel for that, you know, hit if they
• 1:29:10
  got in that situation. What do you do with that 4th and
• 1:29:15
  6th? You punt it and give them a
• 1:29:17
  chance with those 20 seconds. There's a good chance you're
• 1:29:19
  going to kick it into the end zone.
• 1:29:24
  You know there's a chance for that.
• 1:29:25
  Damn, who was it years ago? Deshawn Jackson and same kind of
• 1:29:33
  situation come up with the Eagles and the Giants years ago.
• 1:29:36
  They punted 1 to Deshawn Jackson late like that and he took it
• 1:29:41
  all the way back to the house just because they didn't have
• 1:29:43
  any other option. They were trying to get in field
• 1:29:45
  goal range to to try to win the game.
• 1:29:48
  It was tied. They kicked it.
• 1:29:50
  Matt Dodge. The reason I know that he was
• 1:29:53
  from East Carolina University where I was there because people
• 1:29:56
  gave him hell when that happened.
• 1:29:58
  He kicked it to Deshawn Jackson. Deshawn Jackson took it back for
• 1:30:01
  the touchdown. They lost the game on on what
• 1:30:05
  everybody thought was a was a no brainer.
• 1:30:07
  Yeah, you keep going. You take all three timeouts.
• 1:30:10
  You do this, but hell, then you sit there, you got 2 timeouts
• 1:30:13
  left, There's 21 seconds left. You threw 2 incomplete passes.
• 1:30:18
  Now you got to use the timeouts on defense.
• 1:30:19
  If you get that opportunity, it's another one of those
• 1:30:23
  situations. But let me ask this.
• 1:30:26
  Rob, he made a call and it was the worst call he possibly could
• 1:30:29
  have made because it didn't work out in his favor had he had they
• 1:30:34
  went into overtime, went right down the field and scored and
• 1:30:36
  then intercepted the first play on defense and never going to
• 1:30:40
  question of the call he made there at the end with the 29
• 1:30:44
  seconds left. Hey, Robbie, let me ask you this
• 1:30:46
  though, because I think, you know, I think one of the things
• 1:30:51
  that was kind of been levied at this staff is that they
• 1:30:55
  sometimes are a little too too conservative.
• 1:31:01
  And when I when I look at something like this, and I'm not
• 1:31:05
  even going to say conservative, but I say I'll, I'll say more.
• 1:31:09
  It feels like they're playing a lot not to lose the game instead
• 1:31:12
  of trying to go out there and win the game in the scenario
• 1:31:16
  you're saying there, you say, you know, you know, if if it
• 1:31:18
  works out, it's great. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
• 1:31:21
  I think from a fan perspective, you can live with going out in a
• 1:31:27
  blaze of glory a little bit more than you can sitting on it, and
• 1:31:32
  then take taking your nuts into the overtime knowing that your
• 1:31:36
  defense is gassed. And gassed.
• 1:31:37
  But hold on. Let me ask this, Robbie, and it
• 1:31:39
  goes back to what you said with what woes did to you a couple
• 1:31:43
  times there. First of all, Tech had the 3124
• 1:31:47
  lead five and a half 5:15 left. They gassed them a couple times.
• 1:31:52
  If you look at that drive, they gassed them quick.
• 1:31:57
  Should Brent Pry had stood up and went over and I'm calling
• 1:32:00
  the time out. Everybody get over here and what
• 1:32:02
  you just said listen, they have to get it in the end zone.
• 1:32:06
  They cannot kick a field goal. They are going to go for it on
• 1:32:09
  4th down. But he continued to let it play
• 1:32:12
  out. And I know you tell us that just
• 1:32:13
  a while ago we gonna figure it out on the field, but it isn't
• 1:32:17
  the head coach. It's like especially and again
• 1:32:20
  this goes back to where he was thinking we're going to win this
• 1:32:23
  game on defense. I'm going to save my time.
• 1:32:26
  I don't need my time outs not thinking, well, what if they
• 1:32:30
  score? And I know you can't have that
• 1:32:31
  mentality and all that, I think, but you.
• 1:32:34
  If you're saving your time outs when you're on defense, you got
• 1:32:37
  to fucking use them on offense. It's true.
• 1:32:39
  You can't take three time outs into overtime.
• 1:32:41
  No, you can't, but the the the way I would have seen that one,
• 1:32:44
  bro, you bro, you talk about running the ball, you need
• 1:32:48
  effectively 40 yards. Yeah, you need 40 yards, 29
• 1:32:52
  seconds if you are, if you are worried about what's going to
• 1:32:56
  happen Slee, I'm trying. I'm pulling up the stats from
• 1:32:59
  that game and I can't remember, sorry.
• 1:33:01
  It's just what happens to me as you get old folks.
• 1:33:05
  Slee that game had not thrown a pick, was 16 to 24, was
• 1:33:10
  averaging 9 yards pass. I sit here and say with 29
• 1:33:15
  seconds, the 1st place should be your big go for the big play
• 1:33:20
  because if your thought is, well, let's play for overtime,
• 1:33:22
  your first play, if you go big play, if you don't hit it, you
• 1:33:25
  probably waste, what, 6-7 seconds or 22 seconds left?
• 1:33:28
  Mike, put it up here. They did have some time outs
• 1:33:30
  left. But if you weigh 6 of you down
• 1:33:32
  to 22, all right, we did hit it. We're going to run the ball or
• 1:33:35
  kneel the ball 3 * 2 times. Excuse me.
• 1:33:38
  And if they call time out, time out.
• 1:33:40
  Well, if you run the ball twice, it's four to five seconds, 4 to
• 1:33:43
  5 seconds. They got 12 seconds.
• 1:33:44
  The Meadow miracle in the Meadowlands can happen.
• 1:33:47
  It's carrier don't it probably would have happened when I but
• 1:33:51
  you sit here and it's like it was basically it wasn't he.
• 1:33:57
  He didn't help his defense out any by not calling the time out,
• 1:34:00
  then getting gashed and then to Brian's point where you sat on
• 1:34:03
  him and you didn't do any damn thing with them.
• 1:34:06
  There's no consistency with that.
• 1:34:07
  And I think that is as a fan, it's frustrating because you sit
• 1:34:10
  here. It's like, oh, because when he
• 1:34:12
  didn't call the time out, I was walking the wooden iron when
• 1:34:15
  that drive happened. Oh, we didn't call the time out.
• 1:34:17
  Sorry. We got 3 timeouts.
• 1:34:19
  We got 30 seconds in in in the world today.
• 1:34:22
  That's like having a minute and a half because you got 3
• 1:34:25
  timeouts and as soon as that ball is called and you go down,
• 1:34:28
  not count if you go out of bounds.
• 1:34:30
  Yeah, not count. If you go out of bounds, the
• 1:34:31
  clock still stops on a. First down, it was like he, he
• 1:34:36
  thought it one way and then didn't do it where if he had
• 1:34:41
  just called the timeouts while they were driving trying to get
• 1:34:44
  his defense sorted. Well, first of all, if you call
• 1:34:46
  3 timeouts and you just do the math, you're sitting probably
• 1:34:50
  over here with about a minute and a half minute, 45 seconds
• 1:34:53
  left. Yeah, right.
• 1:34:54
  And then you can say playbooks, while I don't go attack, we have
• 1:34:57
  no timeouts, but we need some first downs, all stops.
• 1:35:01
  I can, I can tell you from a defensive standpoint of a little
• 1:35:05
  bit better of what his thought process was and not taking the
• 1:35:08
  time out where they were getting gashed.
• 1:35:10
  It's because they were moving with tempo, they were moving
• 1:35:13
  quicker and most teams limit what they're going to do in that
• 1:35:17
  tempo and you have a pretty good idea going in and what they're
• 1:35:20
  going to do and you're trying to take advantage of it.
• 1:35:22
  If they call a time out, it gives them an opportunity to go
• 1:35:25
  to the sideline and set up two to three plays that go, OK, when
• 1:35:29
  they come out and line up this way, we're going to run this
• 1:35:33
  because it's going to take advantage of a certain thing.
• 1:35:35
  We're going to run this. If they line up this way, it
• 1:35:37
  takes advantage of a certain thing and it gives them
• 1:35:41
  statistically, it gives them more of an opportunity to
• 1:35:44
  produce a big play and gash you even more, rather than keeping
• 1:35:49
  them at that tempo and trying to take away the one to two things
• 1:35:53
  you know that they're going to do.
• 1:35:55
  The the idea being they're seeing success in this, that's
• 1:35:58
  why they're going tempo. But we feel from a personnel
• 1:36:01
  standpoint, we at least have the right personnel on the field
• 1:36:05
  right now. If we can just nut up a little
• 1:36:08
  bit, get get some stops, it limits the the the different
• 1:36:12
  variety of ways that they can attack the defense.
• 1:36:15
  They can't. They can't necessarily take any
• 1:36:17
  more advantage of the personnel we have on the field right now
• 1:36:20
  than the other. Yard and it's a, it's a man,
• 1:36:23
  it's a, it's a person. Very.
• 1:36:24
  It's a Jimmy's and Joe's type of thing.
• 1:36:27
  Yeah. In in my mind, yeah.
• 1:36:29
  I get that. All right, so, so we're going,
• 1:36:32
  we're going to wrap this up because we still got big
• 1:36:34
  screeners do and we're going to go 2 hours tonight, but that's
• 1:36:36
  not a shock with us 3 Robbie real quick.
• 1:36:40
  Hours and hours. I got to go to work tomorrow.
• 1:36:43
  I do too, but we discussed it last week and I want your
• 1:36:47
  opinion because we were talking about obviously this staff, the
• 1:36:51
  the staff as it's comprised right now it's 500I.
• 1:36:55
  I think we all will say, as fans of Virginia Tech, 500 is not
• 1:36:59
  acceptable. How many?
• 1:37:03
  And if you want to name names, you can.
• 1:37:04
  If you just want to write positions, you can show it.
• 1:37:08
  But how many staff changes do you think has to be made in this
• 1:37:12
  offseason? Because now it's three full
• 1:37:15
  years. First year we can say you had no
• 1:37:18
  talent. The last two years you've had
• 1:37:19
  some talented guys. And right now, if they go, if
• 1:37:24
  they go perfect, if they go perfect from here out, the
• 1:37:29
  combined record will be thirteen.
• 1:37:31
  And I can't do math, 15 and 11, which again, 15 and 11 is 7 1/2
• 1:37:41
  and 5 1/2 again, that that's not looking the greatest.
• 1:37:44
  So you tell me what is your opinion on this?
• 1:37:48
  If, if they can, if they win these last two games and win.
• 1:37:52
  The bowl game. Bowl game then it's going to be
• 1:37:59
  very unpopular. My thought behind it I could I
• 1:38:03
  could feasibly see and no real changes being made and making an
• 1:38:11
  emphasis in certain things finding somebody with more of
• 1:38:18
  that situational experience those things to to kind of
• 1:38:23
  bolster a very inexperienced staff when it comes to a lot of
• 1:38:27
  those things. All right, how many years you
• 1:38:32
  take away coach prize years of head coaching experience here at
• 1:38:36
  Virginia Tech. How many years of head coaching
• 1:38:38
  experience on that staff? That's Sean Quinn with two.
• 1:38:41
  There is a total combined five years of head coaching
• 1:38:44
  experience. There is a total combined of
• 1:38:48
  offensive and. And after Quinn's two at
• 1:38:51
  Savannah State, what is Savannah State?
• 1:38:53
  Savannah State. After his two years at Savannah
• 1:38:56
  State, the next closest one is JC Price.
• 1:39:01
  With what, three games? Two games?
• 1:39:04
  Whatever he was in three. Three.
• 1:39:06
  Yeah, that's right. Three.
• 1:39:09
  OK, so so you win. Best case scenario you what if
• 1:39:12
  it's six and seven? They win one of the final 2,
• 1:39:15
  they get bowl eligible, losing bowl game.
• 1:39:17
  Then you've got to start looking at, I mean, the essentials of
• 1:39:22
  football, why you not scoring points and why are you giving up
• 1:39:25
  points? And those are going to fall to
• 1:39:29
  the heads of those two sides of the ball.
• 1:39:32
  And they, you know, it's changing, changing scheme or, or
• 1:39:39
  figuring out what's going on or it's changing in personnel.
• 1:39:43
  The thing you got to worry about right now is, yeah, we've we've
• 1:39:48
  talked about the great recruiting classes and stuff
• 1:39:51
  they tried to put together. Where are those?
• 1:39:54
  Where are those things going to go?
• 1:39:55
  If these guys are, there's great recruits at the school right now
• 1:40:00
  that you really haven't seen anything from them.
• 1:40:02
  How many of those guys are going, We're not performing and
• 1:40:06
  I'm not playing. At what point are they going to
• 1:40:10
  start looking other places? What point are these recruits
• 1:40:14
  going to start changing their mind?
• 1:40:16
  I mean, so you got to think about that and it's.
• 1:40:23
  I look at my top thing right now is if things don't pan out at
• 1:40:28
  the end of this game, I mean at the end of this season, what has
• 1:40:34
  been the thing that is hurt the most?
• 1:40:37
  And that's given up a lot of points at the end of games,
• 1:40:42
  allowing those gashing plays and allowing those points at the
• 1:40:45
  end. That's when you've got to be
• 1:40:47
  able to put that foot down and shut things down when you have a
• 1:40:51
  lead. And I don't think they've been
• 1:40:54
  very effective at that. And I think probably the first
• 1:40:57
  one to go would be more of in that in that situation that
• 1:41:02
  that's just my thought on it. But you got to start scoring
• 1:41:06
  some points or else, or else Bowen's got to have some
• 1:41:11
  question in it too. Yep, I, I, I definitely think, I
• 1:41:16
  mean, looking at, you know, we talked about this last week
• 1:41:19
  after Syracuse, we kind of did an evaluation and I think I was
• 1:41:23
  kind of on the on the border with, with Bowen.
• 1:41:29
  I think I'm, I feel a lot less confident in him after what I
• 1:41:36
  saw against Clemson because I think on the whole I've seen
• 1:41:41
  progress from him this year and I felt like everything I saw at
• 1:41:47
  Clemson was a step back. Well, I saw progress from Games
• 1:41:52
  5 to Clemson. The first four games I saw
• 1:41:54
  regression. I saw regression.
• 1:41:59
  I was, I was understanding in that there was there was maybe a
• 1:42:03
  process in that that got us there.
• 1:42:06
  But I think we're still we're still doing some of the same
• 1:42:09
  things that are problematic. And again when when you don't
• 1:42:15
  give. Your running backs or this one
• 1:42:17
  up? You don't give your running back
• 1:42:19
  to the football, that's a problem.
• 1:42:22
  Strength and condition I would say, I would say conditioning
• 1:42:25
  even more so. And and I'm thinking in season
• 1:42:28
  conditioning. I'm not talking about what's
• 1:42:31
  going on in your phase one and two.
• 1:42:34
  I'm talking about phase three and four.
• 1:42:37
  How how are you conditioning them just before the start of
• 1:42:40
  the season and then camp and how are you conditioning them in the
• 1:42:44
  season? Yeah, with, with the injuries
• 1:42:46
  and stuff that they've dealt with you, you've got to start
• 1:42:48
  looking at some of those things. But like I said earlier, we're
• 1:42:52
  talking with with techie about this thing.
• 1:42:55
  You know, you can look at all this situational stuff and, and
• 1:42:59
  people can complain and, and have their opinions about all
• 1:43:02
  those situations. The head coach has to make
• 1:43:06
  decisions based on what he thinks is going to be best for
• 1:43:09
  that team. No fans ever been fired because
• 1:43:12
  it's true. You can make the right decision.
• 1:43:14
  The damn head coach is when it comes down, when it comes down
• 1:43:19
  to this staff, OK, you can go position by position and think,
• 1:43:24
  OK, well, this person in this position needs to be replaced.
• 1:43:28
  You know, Cheetah needs to be replaced as ADB coach or, or
• 1:43:32
  crook needs to be replaced as an online coach or whatever.
• 1:43:36
  They're going to go to the coordinators because if the
• 1:43:38
  coordinators replaced, they might want to change all of
• 1:43:41
  those position coaches. And I mean, I think that's where
• 1:43:47
  it's going to fall. It's going to fall in that
• 1:43:48
  three. That's going to fall in the head
• 1:43:50
  coach and the two coordinators. And I don't think three years
• 1:43:55
  in, given Virginia Tech's track record and, and like watching
• 1:44:01
  coaches develop and, and things like that, Rod's not going
• 1:44:05
  anywhere. No, I know, I know Tally doesn't
• 1:44:09
  agree with me. Tally didn't like to hear it.
• 1:44:10
  He said something about it last week.
• 1:44:14
  Frank Beamer didn't have a whole lot better record 3 or 4 or five
• 1:44:16
  years into his his run at Virginia Tech either.
• 1:44:20
  And you got to give them time to develop and to bring things in.
• 1:44:23
  And everybody talks about it's different game now with NIL and
• 1:44:28
  all of this and all that. You have to throw that out the
• 1:44:30
  window because not every team out there is going to be able to
• 1:44:33
  bring, you know, the $5,000,000 quarterbacks and the, you know,
• 1:44:38
  elite receivers and all that stuff through NIL and, and.
• 1:44:43
  Transport. Wars and all of that.
• 1:44:45
  Can I say this? Look at how much money Florida
• 1:44:48
  State spent. They are one in nine through the
• 1:44:50
  point. You still have to know how to
• 1:44:52
  coach football. You have to still how to know,
• 1:44:54
  build, build culture. You have to build cohesion.
• 1:44:56
  People have to play together. It is a game of 11 people moving
• 1:45:00
  at once. I know they, I know we hate the
• 1:45:02
  guy collectively, but but look at what's going on at Pitt right
• 1:45:05
  now. Yeah.
• 1:45:06
  And they have, they have not even in the ballpark nil what
• 1:45:10
  we're working with. Nope.
• 1:45:12
  None. Not even.
• 1:45:13
  Close. Much worse facilities, much less
• 1:45:15
  fan support and they're they're out there getting it done so.
• 1:45:21
  That he can build that community base, he can build the fan base,
• 1:45:26
  he can build the recruit base. It's just a matter of the the
• 1:45:31
  product catching up with what. He's get, can we say?
• 1:45:35
  Experience on the field in the decision making roles is so
• 1:45:41
  behind where it where it could be, yeah, when everything else
• 1:45:45
  is probably a step above where you might want it.
• 1:45:49
  I think Marv and I think Bowen are very smart in terms of
• 1:45:53
  scheme, in terms of drawing up plays, in terms of things like
• 1:45:57
  that. I don't think that they're very
• 1:46:00
  as good as we want them to be in those game day situational
• 1:46:05
  calls. And we know you're you're
• 1:46:08
  pairing that with pride that has very limited experience calling
• 1:46:13
  everything on game day. It's a bad situation where he
• 1:46:17
  can't really lean on the two guys that are most in tune at
• 1:46:21
  that game to say, hey, what should we do here?
• 1:46:23
  Hey, what, what, what do you think we should do here?
• 1:46:26
  They can't make that call because they haven't been in
• 1:46:28
  this position any longer than he has.
• 1:46:30
  Neither one of those coordinators have tremendous
• 1:46:33
  amount of experience. None.
• 1:46:36
  You know, running programs like that?
• 1:46:38
  Nope. Neither.
• 1:46:39
  But here's the thing, Bowen. Bowen called one bowl game
• 1:46:41
  before he, you know, went down to Jacksonville.
• 1:46:44
  He was. Called the Co OC.
• 1:46:45
  He was pretty much, you know, running practices, not calling
• 1:46:48
  plays on. Or hadn't been any higher than
• 1:46:50
  the Co DC at at any point otherwise, right?
• 1:46:52
  And it's probably similar running practices and not on
• 1:46:55
  game day. But this is what I'll say and
• 1:46:57
  This is why I'm fine. If Pride chooses to make
• 1:47:02
  decisions, he's got to make moves because you cannot be an
• 1:47:04
  average team. Here we go.
• 1:47:07
  The amount of Joe's he's brought in, your APR, your Gilliam's.
• 1:47:13
  Jay Lane Tootin knows people feel like he's regressed this
• 1:47:17
  year. But where Karen Drone is as a
• 1:47:18
  quarterback, look at the Joe's he sold this program to.
• 1:47:23
  Yeah. And I saw somebody put in about
• 1:47:26
  for when they being a better game manager, but guess what?
• 1:47:29
  When he got when the Joes went down, he went down.
• 1:47:32
  Yeah, cuz you've got to have players that can play.
• 1:47:35
  You have to or you. We're not kind of seeing the
• 1:47:38
  opposite right now, right you are.
• 1:47:40
  We're seeing the Joes are kind of carrying us when we don't
• 1:47:46
  have the experience in those situational places.
• 1:47:49
  We're not making the right calls always on, on game day.
• 1:47:54
  The Joes are kind of keeping us, you know, floating up here.
• 1:47:58
  We kind of had the opposite towards the end of the Fuente
• 1:47:59
  area where you know the, I think from a preparation standpoint,
• 1:48:05
  Fuente did a very good job. I still think that Cornelson was
• 1:48:08
  awful in situational calls, but I think they did a very good job
• 1:48:13
  in the week to week preparation for an opponent.
• 1:48:17
  They knew schematics and then you had to manage your game.
• 1:48:20
  Yeah. And, and, and that's where they
• 1:48:23
  had a little bit of a leg up, but where they, you know, they,
• 1:48:25
  they didn't necessarily have the ability to bring in a culture
• 1:48:30
  and the ability to deploy, recruit and recruit and deploy
• 1:48:34
  weapons week to week. So.
• 1:48:36
  They did not know how to recruit.
• 1:48:38
  Maybe we just. I don't, I don't know if that
• 1:48:39
  changes the ceiling necessarily of this team.
• 1:48:42
  I think, I think it definitely raises the potential ceiling
• 1:48:45
  because if, oh God, if you figure out some of those things,
• 1:48:50
  it's a lot easier for I think coaches to get better than it is
• 1:48:54
  for average players to completely level up their game.
• 1:48:59
  And because if you, because you have to, you still have to be a
• 1:49:01
  good coach to develop those players into those things.
• 1:49:05
  So if you've already got the talent and you are doing pretty
• 1:49:09
  good job of developing that talent, if you can figure out
• 1:49:12
  those those situational things, even if you just improve
• 1:49:15
  marginally, you put yourself in a better position long term
• 1:49:20
  because you already have talent on the field.
• 1:49:23
  Martin and I think, I think. It's it's just.
• 1:49:27
  Yeah, Yeah. There you go.
• 1:49:27
  You already said what marginal. Probably is 20 gives us four
• 1:49:31
  more wins this. Year 4 more wins probably.
• 1:49:33
  Yeah, it's not a lie. Yeah.
• 1:49:35
  It's marginally get marginally better is I'll be nice three to
• 1:49:38
  four more wins, three to four more wins.
• 1:49:41
  All righty, Brian, you good? We're.
• 1:49:42
  Gonna close chapter, I'm good. Big Aflac policy and bring Saban
• 1:49:47
  in there on the defense. Where's that Amazon money?
• 1:49:53
  Can we get that Amazon? Money when we get the Amazon
• 1:49:55
  money. All righty.
• 1:49:56
  Well, Brian, let's flip it. We got some picks to make.
• 1:49:59
  Brian, you did not e-mail me who did what last week.
• 1:50:04
  Hang on after day. After day.
• 1:50:08
  Shelter dominated. That's all you need to know.
• 1:50:11
  Yeah, I heard that. I heard that Jason did taxi.
• 1:50:14
  Thanks. Shelton went unbeaten last week
• 1:50:17
  and if he wants, can he make all of his switches to Shelton's fix
• 1:50:20
  this week? I would say anything I pick no
• 1:50:23
  opposite instead of better chance.
• 1:50:25
  We'll see. You won't going to be on the
• 1:50:27
  screen, but we're writing yours down.
• 1:50:29
  Let's go ahead and jump into it. I'll get it to you though all.
• 1:50:31
  Righty. Well, Brian, you leading the
• 1:50:33
  way, man, Your game. Yeah, man, it is the it's the
• 1:50:41
  Cox Man 11. And a half. 11 1/2.
• 1:50:48
  That was wild to me when I looked at it.
• 1:50:51
  And that should be minus by the way.
• 1:50:54
  Well, no, no, no, no, no. They're they're laying 11 and a
• 1:50:58
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
• 1:50:59
  That should be minus. That's they are -11 1/2.
• 1:51:02
  So is that why I was favored by 11 1/2?
• 1:51:04
  Cox, Cox are the favorite here. All right, so, and, and based on
• 1:51:10
  that, I mean, I, I, I'd that that's a that's a big fucking
• 1:51:13
  line. So I went with Mizzou here
• 1:51:16
  because while I think the cops will probably win this game,
• 1:51:19
  that that 11 1/2 is just crazy to me.
• 1:51:23
  It is crazy. I think it might be a, you know,
• 1:51:25
  7 to 10 point victory there for the for the Gamecocks, but I'll
• 1:51:29
  take Mizzou here. Rob, we will let you go at the
• 1:51:32
  end until we put everything up here.
• 1:51:34
  Me, I'm with you. First of all, South Carolina has
• 1:51:37
  played their best two games by far of the year against Texas
• 1:51:41
  A&M at home. Where they rushed the field,
• 1:51:44
  Shout out my cousin Hodges who rushed the field down there, got
• 1:51:50
  some pictures of it. He and he stole.
• 1:51:53
  I I don't want to say he took something off the field.
• 1:51:56
  That's all I'm going. To say.
• 1:51:58
  I know that he took some of the heads as he was playing in his
• 1:52:01
  dad's yard. He said no, but I'm going to zoo
• 1:52:03
  as well. Shelton is going.
• 1:52:07
  Shelton's land a big number with the game cops.
• 1:52:11
  Tally rides with me and you our wonderful ride.
• 1:52:13
  Miranda also laying points. Jason riding with me.
• 1:52:17
  You and Tally. Robbie.
• 1:52:20
  Yeah. South Carolina, Missouri.
• 1:52:22
  I think South Carolina's going to win, but I don't know if it's
• 1:52:24
  going to be by 11 1/2 or more. I got to go Missouri.
• 1:52:27
  I'm not. Robbie goes Mizzou, I am going
• 1:52:33
  to Madison, WI where effectively the best looking team I did get.
• 1:52:40
  This one right this this is a. You did get this one right.
• 1:52:44
  This is this is our big number week.
• 1:52:47
  Y'all about to figure out we got some big ass numbers to be
• 1:52:50
  laying on this week with these games, but I'm going to Madison,
• 1:52:54
  Oregon, WI, Oregon by far. If you have watched them play,
• 1:52:57
  they look like the most complete team.
• 1:53:00
  They look like the best team. That's why they are the number
• 1:53:02
  one team in the country. But they are going to be
• 1:53:05
  travelling to Madison, WI, Camp Randall, one of the toughest
• 1:53:09
  places to play in the country. I need to see one thing, Brian,
• 1:53:13
  real quick before I finish up my little comment here.
• 1:53:18
  This is going to be a night game in Madison.
• 1:53:21
  So that place is going to probably be Office Rockers,
• 1:53:24
  which is much beers they drink up there.
• 1:53:27
  So for me, I think 14 1/2 is a too big a number to lay.
• 1:53:33
  I think Oregon's wins it. I think they're going to get a
• 1:53:35
  war. I think Luke Fickle effectively
• 1:53:38
  brings the house knowing that this is his biggest game of the
• 1:53:41
  year. I'm taking Wisconsin.
• 1:53:44
  Give me the points, Brian. Yep, riding with you as well
• 1:53:47
  here, Wisconsin it it's it's again, it's it's Camp Randall.
• 1:53:51
  I think it's going to be a very, very solid atmosphere for this
• 1:53:57
  game. I think they're going to come to
• 1:53:59
  play. I I don't think they're going to
• 1:54:01
  win. I don't think they're really
• 1:54:02
  even going to win necessarily by, you know, a a a a single
• 1:54:08
  digit here. I think it could be double
• 1:54:09
  digits, but I think that hook, that hook baby, I don't like.
• 1:54:14
  I don't like the hook so. 4228. Exactly.
• 1:54:19
  I mean, you know all. Right.
• 1:54:23
  I think 14 1/2 is just a little too much for me.
• 1:54:25
  What about these two guys, Shelton, Tally, Say the Ducks.
• 1:54:29
  Miranda rides with us. Jason, they're laying a lot of
• 1:54:34
  points. Robbie, what about you?
• 1:54:38
  I don't think Wisconsin is there yet.
• 1:54:44
  Oregon is. Oregon's it right now and I'll
• 1:54:47
  take Oregon I Oregon by 100. Oregon by 100I.
• 1:54:52
  Don't think, I don't think Wisconsin's ready for it.
• 1:54:54
  And the ducks are coming in and they're going.
• 1:54:59
  They're every farm I've ever been to.
• 1:55:01
  There's a pond and they're going to take over that pond and it's
• 1:55:04
  all over for them. All right, I have a 14 and a.
• 1:55:08
  Half. All righty, here we go.
• 1:55:10
  I like the 4821 thought 482828. Something like that.
• 1:55:15
  All right, lots of points. All right, Shelton is going to
• 1:55:18
  the little apple where K State's still alive for the Big 12
• 1:55:24
  championship. Arizona State.
• 1:55:26
  A surprising bounce back here for Arizona State.
• 1:55:28
  They were kind of absolute trash with Kenny Dillingham's baby
• 1:55:32
  ass. What was he 33 last year when he
• 1:55:35
  got hired, 33 when he got hired last year.
• 1:55:39
  But right now that hire is looking better and better as
• 1:55:42
  time goes on. There are 7 and 2, so they are
• 1:55:46
  effectively still in the Big 12 race as well.
• 1:55:49
  They need some things to happen. Brian, who you going with?
• 1:55:54
  You know, this is interesting. You know, Curtis talked about
• 1:55:56
  the the big spreads in this big screeners.
• 1:55:59
  This is the smallest spread of any game we're picking tonight.
• 1:56:03
  9. And it's damn near double
• 1:56:06
  digits. And this may be the one I'm
• 1:56:09
  really sure about. You know what?
• 1:56:10
  And I think K State has a little bit more to play for and for
• 1:56:14
  that and, and being at home, I think they're going to go out
• 1:56:17
  there and they're going to take care of business.
• 1:56:20
  Yep, and I am kind of right with you.
• 1:56:23
  They both actually have playful both the four and two in
• 1:56:25
  conference. It's a night game in the little
• 1:56:28
  apple. It's got to be K State.
• 1:56:31
  I think Arizona State kind of dream season comes to an end.
• 1:56:39
  Yeah, Shelton is going this is his game K State.
• 1:56:46
  I just ran his game K State. Yeah, somebody did it.
• 1:56:51
  Somebody had to. Miranda taking 9.
• 1:56:54
  Jason with the purple. Robbie with the.
• 1:56:58
  All the long long blonde flowing locks are going to be running
• 1:57:03
  all up and down that field. Give me K state.
• 1:57:08
  K State. All righty.
• 1:57:12
  I was going to, I was going to have to go in Arizona State if
• 1:57:15
  everybody else would pick K State.
• 1:57:17
  I just just to be got you off the hook got you off the hook.
• 1:57:21
  All righty next game UVA off a big win against Pitt goes up to
• 1:57:28
  Notre Dame. This is going to be a 330 kick.
• 1:57:32
  The line is Notre Dame laying 23 Notre Dame effectively if they
• 1:57:39
  went out, they are in the playoff right now.
• 1:57:42
  I did see a matchup y'all one of the prognosticators put and I
• 1:57:47
  know I didn't get a chance to watch the the the playoff
• 1:57:50
  tonight. So if y'all saw what happened,
• 1:57:52
  let me know. It was something like it was who
• 1:57:57
  was it? It was Alabama, Notre Dame and
• 1:57:59
  Notre Dame. I'm going to tell you, South
• 1:58:03
  Bend in the middle of December is not a warm place to play at
• 1:58:07
  all. Last.
• 1:58:09
  Time I was in South Bend was in July and it wasn't extremely a
• 1:58:12
  warm place. But Notre Dame laying 23, this
• 1:58:17
  is off the onset of Army is their next game.
• 1:58:22
  So Brian, what do you think? I like Notre Dame very much in
• 1:58:28
  this game, but I don't know if I like them. 23 points worth.
• 1:58:31
  So I'm going to take UVA here. It's still fuck UVA, but you
• 1:58:34
  know, yeah. Not three points worth.
• 1:58:38
  Yep, I'm with you on that. I also thinking of the army
• 1:58:41
  game. I have a very sneaky, sneaky
• 1:58:45
  feeling Marcus Freeman is getting them prepared for that
• 1:58:48
  triple option. So a lot of very very
• 1:58:52
  responsibility drills this week. Might as well do it for two
• 1:58:56
  weeks with a team you clearly are out talented.
• 1:58:58
  A team that couldn't put 14 points up on North Carolina's
• 1:59:01
  defense. Y'all figure that out But give
• 1:59:04
  me UVA as well. But still, fuck UVA Shelton.
• 1:59:12
  Shelton is riding with us here. UVA.
• 1:59:16
  Tally also riding with us with UVA Miranda is taking Notre
• 1:59:24
  Dame. Notre Dame.
• 1:59:26
  By 100, says her and Jason with. Miranda, Robin, and you off the
• 1:59:33
  hook. You don't have to.
• 1:59:34
  You have to. Take Notre Dame now.
• 1:59:36
  It wouldn't have mattered. UVA.
• 1:59:39
  They're cross. Sabres.
• 1:59:41
  I got a cross for you. Notre Dame laying 20.
• 1:59:46
  I don't care. Robbie, Robbie said.
• 1:59:51
  All right, fuck, fuck Virginia all the way.
• 1:59:53
  Let's do it. Virginia versus Hitler.
• 1:59:56
  Hitler. No, no, maybe not.
• 2:00:01
  But. Just to everybody, if you
• 2:00:05
  haven't ever tuned in before. I feel just.
• 2:00:07
  More coming on stay in the program.
• 2:00:09
  I feel like I summoned my inner counts there.
• 2:00:14
  There you go. You did.
• 2:00:15
  That's a little bit of an inner counts right there.
• 2:00:17
  Yeah. All right, next game we are
• 2:00:19
  going to is going to be Utah, Colorado, Utah, coming off a
• 2:00:25
  heartbreaking loss to BYU, Colorado comeback win down in
• 2:00:30
  Lubbock, Colorado laying 10 points.
• 2:00:34
  Ryan, let's say. You, I mean, Utah has been kind
• 2:00:39
  of up and down this year. Colorado is really look better
• 2:00:44
  than I expected, even though I think that Texas Tech game was a
• 2:00:48
  little bit of a comeback to Earth moment.
• 2:00:52
  I'm I'm going to go, I'm going to go Buffalo's here.
• 2:00:57
  I am against you on this. I think because of the clash of
• 2:01:01
  styles, I think Colorado still wins this game.
• 2:01:04
  I think it's probably by a touchdown, not much more than
• 2:01:07
  that. But give me Utah in this
• 2:01:11
  situation. And Shelton, I'm with you,
• 2:01:18
  Miranda's with me, Jason's with you, Robbie's with.
• 2:01:23
  How many years do you sit and watch Utah at some point ruin
• 2:01:29
  somebody's damn day by beating them USC?
• 2:01:35
  More people on occasion. They've done it year in, year
• 2:01:38
  out. Colorado's sitting there
• 2:01:41
  thinking that they're they're riding the High Road and, and in
• 2:01:44
  the driver's seat for that, for that conference championship.
• 2:01:49
  Utah's going to beat them all right?
• 2:01:51
  Robbie's saying take the 10, put the money line on Utah, by the
• 2:01:57
  way, the one that really I think if you're Colorado, you're
• 2:02:01
  pissed about, you don't know what time this kick is on the on
• 2:02:06
  set on Saturday. I'm.
• 2:02:08
  Like 1030 airtime. 10:00 Ten o'clock. 10:00 No, no, no. 10:00
• 2:02:13
  their time. Noon, our time, early kick.
• 2:02:16
  Robbie, you might be on to something there.
• 2:02:18
  All righty, let's keep rolling. We finally have gotten to the
• 2:02:22
  end and our Music Man, where he is taking a look at the biggest
• 2:02:27
  game of the weekend, potentially an elimination game.
• 2:02:31
  Tennessee, Georgia. The Hills.
• 2:02:45
  Were lined with wildflowers and I was wild Wilder than they for
• 2:02:55
  these that run. They just died in the sun and
• 2:03:00
  our field was just wither and flame.
• 2:03:06
  So all that rose feeding and freeing on the road now.
• 2:03:11
  So I read here now where I go when flower goes wild.
• 2:03:19
  Now we get home, whisper while flowers OK will grow.
• 2:03:32
  Hey folks, welcome back to another week of guitar licks and
• 2:03:34
  gambling picks. I'm Jason Long.
• 2:03:36
  I'm playing one of my all time favorite Dolly Parton songs,
• 2:03:39
  which must mean one thing. I'm looking at another Tennessee
• 2:03:42
  game this week. Now the Volunteers are going to
• 2:03:45
  travel to Athens to take on Georgia's Saturday.
• 2:03:49
  This will probably be a College Football Playoff elimination
• 2:03:52
  game. And before I get to my pick,
• 2:03:56
  Georgia fans, let me talk to you for a second.
• 2:03:59
  I realize I picked against your team now three times this
• 2:04:02
  season. I'm not trying to pick on you.
• 2:04:05
  Hey, I'm a Widespread Panic fan, man.
• 2:04:07
  I've been trying to play Tall Boy for about a month, but Vegas
• 2:04:09
  is doing you all no favors. Georgia is 2 and seven against
• 2:04:13
  the spread. And this week.
• 2:04:15
  But Tennessee is getting 10 1/2 points.
• 2:04:18
  That seems like too much, so I'm going with the Volunteers.
• 2:04:21
  Plus 10 1/2 against Georgia Saturday.
• 2:04:56
  Let's go Tennessee. See you next week.
• 2:05:02
  Already Tennessee. And you know what?
• 2:05:06
  I'm going to go ahead and just lead it off here because I'm
• 2:05:10
  right with Jason on this 110 and a damn half.
• 2:05:15
  This could have been 6 1/2 and I'd have been like, maybe that's
• 2:05:19
  a little too much. That's a little too much. 10 1/2
• 2:05:22
  is nuts. So give me the Volunteers.
• 2:05:26
  Yeah, I think we all looked at this one and you see 10 1/2, it
• 2:05:30
  started somewhere like 14 1/2 early, early, like on Saturday
• 2:05:35
  night. And it has come down to it
• 2:05:38
  actually has come down all the way to 10.
• 2:05:40
  Now. Watch some of the Ole Miss game.
• 2:05:45
  Georgia is a good team. They're not the juggernaut.
• 2:05:49
  Vegas keeps putting the mass and I think Tennessee is too well
• 2:05:52
  built on the defensive side of the ball to get blown out by
• 2:05:57
  more than 10 points. Tennessee, OH watch this.
• 2:06:03
  Sheldon's riding, Tally's riding, Randy's riding, and we
• 2:06:06
  know what Jason's doing. Yeah.
• 2:06:09
  What you going to do, Robbie? What you going to?
• 2:06:11
  Do can you sleep or you flip it? Against us.
• 2:06:14
  Oh. Oh, Jason, He's going to do
• 2:06:17
  everything he could not to play Rock it up.
• 2:06:20
  I know that man. He was my roommate in college.
• 2:06:24
  I know him very well and looking at this thing a.
• 2:06:29
  Lot of tease. A Georgia favored by 10 1/2
• 2:06:35
  points against Tennessee. It's in Athens, right?
• 2:06:38
  It is in Athens, it is going to be a night game.
• 2:06:41
  Everybody else pick Tennessee. I like to be different.
• 2:06:48
  I'm going, I'm going. I'm going to take a little route
• 2:06:51
  that that Jason does. I'm going to match a song to it.
• 2:06:55
  OK? You guys know I have a dog.
• 2:06:59
  My dog's name is Reba. We're going to go with a Reba
• 2:07:02
  McEntire song. Oh, and it's going to be the
• 2:07:05
  night the lights went out in Georgia.
• 2:07:07
  There you go, there we go, Robbie says go dogs.
• 2:07:12
  All righty. Well, that wraps up big
• 2:07:16
  screeners and I don't think anything has broken.
• 2:07:19
  There it is, right there. Upon we look at her, she's
• 2:07:23
  pretty. It's always.
• 2:07:23
  Beautiful, man. It's always beautiful.
• 2:07:26
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• 2:07:30
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  Real quick, Brian, say his name one more time.
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  You need to contact us. Jonathan Harris 8975 on YouTube.
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  We let our buddy Jason Long play us in play us out.
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  Check out his website Jason Long Music where you can link to all
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  of his music on Apple, Spotify, his YouTube and Facebook pages.
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  Also, it will show you where he is playing live down in the New
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  River Valley. We appreciate you all.
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  We appreciate you all always out there for listening.
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  And as always, let's go. OK.
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