Latest / The Joe Rogan Recap / Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards (2024) - Decoding History and Modern Narratives

Transcript

Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards (2024) - Decoding History and Modern Narratives · The Joe Rogan Recap

• 0:00
  Welcome to the Joe Rogan Recap. Today we're taking a deep dive
• 0:03
  into a fascinating conversation from The Joe Rogan Experience,
• 0:06
  specifically episode Hashtag 2231, featuring Jimmy Corsetti
• 0:11
  and Dan Richards. Right.
• 0:12
  And our goal is to really unpack their discussion.
• 0:16
  They got into some pretty compelling historical mysteries,
• 0:18
  the whole idea that maybe certain stories get suppressed
• 0:22
  and you know how information actually spreads these days.
• 0:25
  Exactly. And we're pulling this from the
• 0:26
  transcript of that JRE episode hashtag 2231 with Corsetti and
• 0:30
  Richards. You can find it over on Joe
• 0:32
  Rogan's YouTube channel Powerful JRE.
• 0:35
  OK, so where should we start? Corsetti?
• 0:36
  He runs those dunking the past channels, right?
• 0:39
  He talked about a video he made. Yeah, debunking another guy,
• 0:42
  Flint Dibble, on this idea of plant ferilization.
• 0:45
  You know when domesticated plants go back to being wild.
• 0:48
  All right, Dibble apparently claimed.
• 0:50
  It takes like thousands of years for that to happen, but.
• 0:52
  Corsetti. He brought up research
• 0:54
  suggesting otherwise. He used wild rice as an example.
• 0:57
  Which makes sense actually. Farm seeds need to be tough.
• 1:00
  Stick to the plant for harvest. Wild seeds they got to shatter
• 1:03
  easily to spread around. It's basic adaptation.
• 1:05
  Totally. But it wasn't just the plant
• 1:07
  science. Corsetti also kind of called out
• 1:10
  Dibbles approach. He felt it was more like trying
• 1:12
  to win a debate than actually figuring out the truth.
• 1:15
  That's a really interesting point, isn't it, How we approach
• 1:18
  learning. Are we open or just defending
• 1:21
  what we already think we know? Yeah.
• 1:22
  It sets a tone. So after that, the conversation
• 1:26
  shifted to Bellek in Lebanon. Those massive, massive stone.
• 1:31
  Oh yeah, Bailbeck. Incredible sight.
• 1:33
  The standard story attributes it to the Romans, maybe the
• 1:36
  Phoenicians, but Corsetti and Richards weren't so sure.
• 1:40
  Well, the. Scale is just mind boggling.
• 1:41
  They mentioned stones around 900 tons 900.
• 1:44
  And the Romans, the biggest stone they're known to have
• 1:46
  moved was, what, 53 tons? That's a massive gap in
• 1:49
  capability, right? Huge gap.
• 1:51
  Plus Baalbek is like 2400 miles from Rome.
• 1:54
  You'd think if they built something that monumental so far
• 1:57
  away, there'd be, you know, detailed records, but apparently
• 2:00
  not so much. Yeah, the documentation seems
• 2:02
  kind of thin for such a huge project, and there's evidence of
• 2:05
  different building phases suggesting it might be way
• 2:08
  older, maybe prehistoric origins?
• 2:10
  They even mentioned an encyclopedia entry dating human
• 2:13
  activity there back 11,000 years.
• 2:15
  Wow, and the fact that later buildings seem to use broken
• 2:19
  bits of the really big stones, it kind of implies they found
• 2:22
  this amazing foundation and built on top of it later.
• 2:25
  Like inheriting something incredible they couldn't fully
• 2:27
  replicate? Yeah, and moving those stones,
• 2:30
  they talked about the Ramis's the second statue to give some
• 2:32
  perspective. Right, that comparison was
• 2:34
  powerful. Moving a 340 ton stone for the
• 2:37
  LACMA museum recently took a year of planning. 10 million
• 2:41
  bucks a special 196 wheel truck. And yet the Ramis's statue,
• 2:46
  which was like 1000 metric tons over £2,000,000, they moved that
• 2:50
  170 miles in ancient Egypt. £2,000,000 The usual explanation
• 2:54
  is, you know, rolling them on logs like Lebanon Cedar.
• 2:58
  But they brought up the hardness scales, Jenka for wood, mows for
• 3:01
  stone. It's like the stone would just
• 3:03
  chew through the wood, wouldn't it?
• 3:04
  Especially over 170 miles, it just seems unlikely for those
• 3:08
  weights. It really stretches credibility.
• 3:11
  And then there's the lifting. How do you get a 900 ton block
• 3:14
  up? You'd need serious tech, maybe
• 3:17
  metallurgy like they had in the 1700s for screwjacks, stuff the
• 3:21
  Romans definitely didn't have. Exactly.
• 3:23
  So the feeling from the conversation was that the
• 3:26
  ancient world was, well, more sophisticated than the standard
• 3:29
  story allows. Though they made a good
• 3:31
  distinction, not necessarily high tech like lasers and stuff,
• 3:34
  but technologically advanced and smart practical ways.
• 3:37
  Like even a well designed horse saddle is technology.
• 3:40
  Good point. And back at Baalbek, the
• 3:42
  foundation, those three huge stones, the trilophone
• 3:46
  apparently don't use Roman measurements.
• 3:49
  That point strongly towards a pre Roman culture, doesn't it?
• 3:52
  With their own system, yeah. They mentioned finding pottery
• 3:55
  shards from like 11,000 years ago.
• 3:57
  Now, pottery shows people were there, but it doesn't
• 4:00
  automatically date the giant stones themselves.
• 4:03
  Right. Correlation isn't causation, but
• 4:05
  it adds to the picture of a very long history at that spot.
• 4:08
  And Roman tech limitations really stand out here.
• 4:10
  Their cranes could lift maybe 6 tons. 6 tons.
• 4:15
  Compare that to the 70 or 80 ton blocks in the Great Pyramids,
• 4:18
  King's Chamber, or the 900 ton monsters at Baalbek.
• 4:22
  That's like 15 times heavier. It's just a different league.
• 4:25
  People bring up Catherine the Great moving the Thunderstone,
• 4:28
  but that was dragging it on the ground, right?
• 4:30
  It's still impressive, but it doesn't solve the problem of
• 4:32
  lifting massive blocks high up. Yeah, different challenge
• 4:35
  entirely. This all kind of echoes Graham
• 4:37
  Hancock's ideas, doesn't it? This potential lost chapter of
• 4:41
  history. Definitely.
• 4:42
  And the Egyptians themselves, for all their records, they
• 4:44
  never actually wrote down how they built the pyramids or cut
• 4:47
  granite so precisely. It's a huge blank spot.
• 4:50
  Which leads into this discussion about what they called great
• 4:53
  debunkers, people who seem determined to shut down any
• 4:57
  alternative ideas. Yeah, the kind who maybe become
• 5:00
  cynical, appeal to authority and sometimes unfortunately resort
• 5:03
  to personal attacks like comparing people asking
• 5:06
  questions to flat earthers or trying to link them to like,
• 5:09
  white supremacy, which is just. Cool, right?
• 5:11
  Trying to discredit the person instead of engaging with the
• 5:14
  evidence. They specifically mentioned John
• 5:17
  Hoops and his alleged influence on Wikipedia.
• 5:20
  Apparently editing pages about alternative archaeology maybe
• 5:23
  suppressing things like the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis
• 5:27
  that comet impact theory. And Hoops has serious academic
• 5:30
  cred. Harvard, Yale, which gives him
• 5:33
  weight on a platform like Wikipedia.
• 5:35
  The idea was raised that maybe there's a bias against figures
• 5:38
  like Hancock or anything labeled pseudo archaeology.
• 5:41
  It does make you think about who controls information on those
• 5:44
  big platforms you know, and how easy it might be for bias to
• 5:47
  creep in when certain individuals act as gatekeepers.
• 5:50
  For sure, and the sheer difficulty, the cost, they said
• 5:53
  replicating some of this ancient stone moving today would take
• 5:56
  Elon Musk levels of money really highlights the scale of the
• 6:00
  achievement. And the conversation touched on
• 6:03
  the politicization of things, too, this idea that maybe a
• 6:06
  certain ideology, sometimes labeled woke, has a stronghold
• 6:09
  in universities. And critics use that political
• 6:11
  lens or identity politics to dismiss alternative history
• 6:14
  theories. We're just reporting what was
• 6:16
  said in the source, of course, but the point was made about how
• 6:19
  these debates can get tangled up in current politics.
• 6:22
  And again, Wikipedia's role came up how dominant it is in search
• 6:25
  results. It's a powerful position and
• 6:28
  that LACMA stone move, 340 tons modern tech compared to Baalbek,
• 6:35
  it just keeps coming back. It's a stark contrast.
• 6:38
  Something else founded Baalbek. They mentioned swastikas.
• 6:41
  Which is fascinating because that symbol is ancient,
• 6:44
  prehistoric, found on multiple continents, maybe 10, 1000 years
• 6:48
  old, way before Hitler Co opted and you know, completely twisted
• 6:52
  it. Right, originally a symbol of
• 6:54
  peace, good fortune, the four directions, or time passing.
• 6:57
  It's wild how a geometric pattern can become so loaded
• 7:00
  with negative meaning. Absolutely.
• 7:02
  And Hitler himself was apparently really into ancient
• 7:04
  mysteries. Ark of the Covenant, Thor's
• 7:06
  Hammer, Legends of giants. It's a strange connection.
• 7:09
  So this leads to the idea of closed minds and what they call
• 7:12
  big archaeology, the mainstream establishment, the feeling that
• 7:15
  they often just dismiss alternative views without
• 7:17
  really. Creating a bit of an echo
• 7:20
  chamber, maybe the value of just being open to questioning
• 7:23
  assumptions, that was a big theme.
• 7:25
  Yeah, they used to cool analogy. Martial arts.
• 7:27
  How was sticking rigidly to 1 style got blown open by MMA by
• 7:31
  Bruce Lee's Jeet Kundu mixing things up?
• 7:34
  That's a good one. They even shared personal
• 7:36
  stories like teachers or military guys just refusing to
• 7:40
  update their old info. And they drew a parallel to how
• 7:43
  dissenting scientists were treated during COVID, mentioning
• 7:46
  the Great Barrington Declaration.
• 7:48
  Right. The idea that challenging the
• 7:50
  accepted narrative can get you labeled or shut down.
• 7:53
  And maybe archaeologists, like anyone, get emotionally invested
• 7:56
  in their theories, so questioning the theory feels
• 7:58
  like a personal attack. It's human nature, I suppose.
• 8:01
  Then the conversation went to Goobi Klutep in Turkey.
• 8:04
  Incredible sight. Unbelievably, all right, 11,600
• 8:07
  years and the kicker is only about 5 to 10% of it has been
• 8:11
  excavated. And it looks like it was
• 8:12
  deliberately buried, possibly around the time of that younger,
• 8:15
  driest climate event. But the plan now is wait like
• 8:20
  potentially 150 years before digging up the rest. 150 years.
• 8:24
  It sounds crazy and apparently it's not about money.
• 8:27
  A big Turkish company took over funding in 2017 and they spent
• 8:30
  money on like tourist stuff. So the official reason?
• 8:34
  Wait for better future tech. Sounds a bit thin doesn't it?
• 8:37
  Especially for buried stone pillars, you just wonder what
• 8:41
  answers might be hidden on those unexcavated pillars with all the
• 8:44
  carvings. They mentioned Martin Sweatman's
• 8:45
  theory about Pillar 43 being a star map, maybe showing the
• 8:50
  Younger Dryas comet impact. Which is a radical idea, of
• 8:53
  course. Mainstream archaeology generally
• 8:55
  pushes back hard against complex stuff like writing or astronomy
• 8:58
  that early, but the evidence for deliberate burial at Gobaclipe
• 9:01
  seems pretty strong. OK, so that ties into the bigger
• 9:04
  climate picture. Younger Dryas, pole shifts,
• 9:07
  cosmic impacts, they kind of threw it all in the mix.
• 9:10
  Right, discussing the natural cycles of ice ages, how our
• 9:13
  current warm period started around 11,600 years ago, which
• 9:17
  technically puts us in the time frame where cooling could start
• 9:20
  again. They mentioned Elon Musk calling
• 9:22
  ice ages a deep rabbit hole and Ben Davidson's work at
• 9:25
  suspicious observers on pole shifts and the Sun.
• 9:28
  Yeah, and the Gothenburg excursion, that was a partial
• 9:31
  magnetic pole flip around the time the Younger Dry has kicked
• 9:33
  off. Science does link these pole
• 9:36
  excursions to changes in weather and ocean currents.
• 9:39
  They even. Citedaspace.com article
• 9:41
  suggesting ocean currents could slow or stop by 2025, but noted
• 9:45
  it didn't mention pole shifts as a factor.
• 9:47
  Which led to the point about Earth's weakening magnetic
• 9:50
  field, the North Pole moving faster, maybe making us more
• 9:54
  vulnerable to cosmic impacts. And the suggestion that maybe,
• 9:58
  just maybe, this kind of data pole shifts solar cycles gets
• 10:02
  left out of the mainstream climate change discussion
• 10:05
  because it doesn't fit the the man made narrative.
• 10:07
  Or maybe funding is tied to certain green agendas.
• 10:11
  Again, just reporting the discussion points.
• 10:13
  The idea being that it might not be just one thing causing past
• 10:16
  catastrophes, but maybe a combination of impacts, solar
• 10:18
  cycles, pole shifts. They mentioned the Toba super
• 10:21
  eruption being linked to a pole excursion to.
• 10:23
  That whole topic then spun into the wider politicization of
• 10:26
  science, using COVID as a major example.
• 10:29
  Yeah, that statistic was pretty stark.
• 10:31
  Over 80,000 scientific papers retracted last a lot of the
• 10:35
  medical. It really highlighted how
• 10:37
  polarized things got, how trust and information often seemed
• 10:41
  linked to which side you are on. They brought up the early
• 10:44
  pandemic fear about death rates, like that initial 3.4% figure
• 10:48
  from The Who, and contrasted it with Trump's early claim of
• 10:52
  under 1%, which turned out closer to reality later on.
• 10:56
  Right, showing that compilation video of media figures repeating
• 10:59
  the higher number. It definitely raises questions
• 11:02
  about how information gets amplified and potentially
• 11:04
  skewed. And how quickly questioning the
• 11:06
  narrative got you labeled anti science or a heretic.
• 11:10
  Which connects to the next point about media bias and eroding
• 11:13
  trust in general. They use that New York Times
• 11:15
  Fact Check about RFK Junior and Fruit Loops ingredients as an
• 11:18
  example. Apparently, the Times downplayed
• 11:20
  the difference in dyes used in Canada versus the US, even
• 11:23
  though some are banned in Canada.
• 11:24
  Yeah, highlighting potential bias and reporting.
• 11:27
  And they talked about ratings drops for networks like CNN and
• 11:31
  MSNBC after the Trump years, suggesting maybe audiences we're
• 11:35
  tired of constant negativity or partisan takes.
• 11:38
  They contrasted that with viewership for independent media
• 11:42
  on places like Rumble during the 2020 election.
• 11:44
  It points to a shift, doesn't it?
• 11:46
  People moving towards citizen journalism using platforms like
• 11:50
  X with its community notes for real time checks.
• 11:53
  Plus the whole Twitter Files thing revealing FBI involvement
• 11:56
  and content moderation. That definitely shook things up.
• 12:00
  And the idea that independent journalists might have more
• 12:02
  incentive to be accurate because their reputation is directly on
• 12:05
  the line with their audience, unlike maybe large outlets
• 12:09
  influenced by advertisers. OK.
• 12:10
  Let's swing back to Gobaclotec for a SEC.
• 12:12
  They talked about trees being planted there.
• 12:14
  Yeah, apparently about a decade after digging started, 800 trees
• 12:17
  were planted right on the site, raised concerns about damaging
• 12:20
  whatever is still buried. What was the explanation for
• 12:23
  that? The conventional story is that
• 12:25
  the previous land owners planted olive trees to boost the land
• 12:28
  value before the government took it over, and Turkey has this
• 12:32
  olive law making it illegal to cut them down.
• 12:36
  But there was also speculation right about maybe artifacts
• 12:40
  smuggling happening during the planting.
• 12:42
  Yeah, that possibility was raised.
• 12:44
  They mentioned small fines like stone fragments, microchips,
• 12:48
  charred bones, but it sparked skepticism about what else might
• 12:52
  have been found and maybe disappeared.
• 12:54
  Kind of like those old stories about giant bones sent to the
• 12:57
  Smithsonian vanished, or how the Anticanthera mechanisms
• 13:00
  complexity was downplayed initially.
• 13:02
  Exactly. It feeds into that narrative of
• 13:04
  potentially lost or suppressed history, which then LED them to
• 13:07
  Ganang Padang in Indonesia. Another potential game changer,
• 13:11
  right? A pyramidal structure possibly
• 13:13
  27,000 years old, according to some researchers.
• 13:15
  Yeah, based on ground penetrating radar showing
• 13:18
  tunnels and chambers inside. But there's pushback.
• 13:21
  Academics suggesting it's just a natural volcanic formation, like
• 13:23
  a lava tube. But the weird part is the
• 13:26
  Indonesian government initially seemed really keen, promising
• 13:29
  big resources for excavation back in 2014.
• 13:33
  And then nothing. Exca just stopped.
• 13:35
  No plans to check out those chambers.
• 13:37
  Political changes in Indonesia were floated as a possible
• 13:40
  reason, but still, if it could be the oldest ruin known, not
• 13:45
  investigating seems kind of crazy.
• 13:47
  It fits this pattern. They were discussing this
• 13:49
  resistance to things that might totally upend the standard
• 13:52
  timeline. Yeah, paradigm paralysis in
• 13:55
  science. Right, they went through
• 13:56
  historical examples, science initially trying to put the
• 13:58
  Bible, then resisting Darwin, resisting flood geology, even
• 14:02
  resisting the meteor impact theory for the dinosaur
• 14:05
  extinction for a while. It's like established views
• 14:07
  develop inertia. They mentioned punctuated
• 14:09
  equilibrium versus gradual change and the fight over the
• 14:12
  Clovis first theory in American archaeology.
• 14:15
  And the human element again, ego, control over knowledge, not
• 14:18
  wanting your life's work overturned.
• 14:19
  It's understandable, but it can hinder progress.
• 14:22
  Then they got into dating the Great Pyramid.
• 14:24
  Primarily carbon dating organic stuff in the mortar between
• 14:28
  stones, which points to around 4500 years ago.
• 14:31
  But there's the issue of later repairs may be contaminating the
• 14:34
  samples with younger material. Right, exactly.
• 14:37
  And those dates sometimes clash with the timeline based on king
• 14:40
  lists and written records, so it raises questions about which
• 14:43
  evidence we prioritize. Like what about hieroglyphs that
• 14:47
  mentioned Pharaohs reigning 30,000 years ago?
• 14:49
  Usually dismissed. Christopher Dunn's point came
• 14:52
  up. Just look at the anomalous
• 14:53
  artifacts honestly without preconceived limits on ancient
• 14:57
  tech. Because the image of barefoot
• 14:59
  workers hauling massive blocks just doesn't seem to fit the
• 15:02
  precision and scale you actually see there.
• 15:04
  Yeah, those hieroglyphs showing statue moving, often much
• 15:07
  smaller statues on sledges and the worker skeletons found
• 15:11
  suggest they were well fed, treated OK, not slaves.
• 15:15
  So it all circles back to this pattern of potentially
• 15:18
  groundbreaking sites. Goba clip a Ganangpadong, maybe
• 15:21
  Dreamers in the pyramid or under the Sphinx, where excavation
• 15:24
  seems limited or stalled. And the point was made.
• 15:28
  Shouldn't everyone have a right to know the real human story,
• 15:31
  our actual origins? It's not just one country's
• 15:33
  history, it's global heritage. For sure, and think about places
• 15:36
  like the Sahara. What might Lidar reveal there?
• 15:40
  So much is still unknown. They briefly touched on WEF
• 15:43
  conspiracy theories but mostly dismissed them, though they did
• 15:46
  note some correlations between WEF figures and people involved
• 15:50
  in halting digs. Maybe economic reasons too.
• 15:53
  Don't dig too deep if the tourists are already coming.
• 15:56
  Could be, but whatever the reason, delaying Goobie Clippy's
• 15:59
  full excavation seems, well, inexcusable given its potential
• 16:03
  importance, especially when initial checks like drilling a
• 16:07
  hole and sticking a camera in at Ganang Padang wouldn't be that
• 16:10
  hard or expensive. Right.
• 16:11
  Just find out what's in there. And finally, they wrapped up
• 16:14
  with a reach at Structure in Mauritania.
• 16:16
  As a possible candidate for Atlantis, the circular layout,
• 16:20
  the dimensions kind of matching Plato's description.
• 16:23
  Plus have an ease of water erosion suggesting a wetter
• 16:26
  past. It's a harsh desert now, hard to
• 16:28
  get to. But the call was for, you know,
• 16:31
  honest investigation. Don't just dismiss it because
• 16:33
  it's linked to Atlantis. Look at the geology, the
• 16:35
  archaeology. They mentioned John Anthony
• 16:37
  Westview of Atlantis being black African too.
• 16:39
  Yeah, pushing back against that old flawed idea that believing
• 16:44
  in advanced ancients somehow equals white supremacy.
• 16:47
  Just bad logic based on outdated thinking.
• 16:50
  So quite a journey through these mysteries.
• 16:52
  Definitely. So what does this all mean for
• 16:55
  you, the learner? It really shines a light on the
• 16:58
  immense gaps that still exist in our understanding of the past,
• 17:02
  the exciting potential for truly groundbreaking discoveries, and
• 17:06
  the various complex factors that can influence what we
• 17:09
  collectively know, or perhaps don't know, about ancient
• 17:11
  civilizations and the very long story of humanity.
• 17:15
  Yeah, from the fascinating details of plant domestication
• 17:18
  and adaptation, to the sheer scale of ancient engineering
• 17:20
  feats that still baffle us, and these ongoing debates around
• 17:23
  climate history and the very narratives we're told, it's
• 17:26
  clear there's just so much more to the human story waiting to be
• 17:29
  uncovered. Absolutely.
• 17:30
  This deep dive leaves us with a compelling question, really.
• 17:34
  How much of what we currently accept as historical fact is
• 17:36
  truly well established, and how much is shaped by, well, the
• 17:40
  limits of our current ways of thinking, our inherent biases,
• 17:43
  maybe even political or social agendas?
• 17:46
  What other missing chapters in human history might still be out
• 17:49
  there waiting to be found? We encourage you to continue
• 17:52
  exploring these ideas you know, to always question assumptions,
• 17:55
  and to keep pursuing your own journey of discovery.