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Breaking: 23XI Racing & Front Row Motorsports Could Lose Their NASCAR Charters Next Week! | Charlie Marlow Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up, everybody? All right, we are live.
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  Charlie Marlowe. Here you see the title of the
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  video of the live stream breaking. 2311 Racing and Front
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  Row Motorsports denied hearing and could lose their charters
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  next week. That is true, folks. 2311
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  Racing, of course, owned by Michael Jordan, Denny Hamlin,
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  Front Row Motorsports owned by Bob Jenkins.
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  You have this NASCAR lawsuit been going on for what end of
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  last year around November or so? So been going on more than half
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  a year now, but big news, big development and this one again,
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  not going the way of the teams going the way of NASCAR.
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  This has been a big back and forth and surely there were some
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  some early victories for the teams.
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  And lately it's been all NASCAR in terms of the ruling.
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  So let's get right to it, let you know what's going on.
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  And just so everybody knows, I'm I'm not boots on the ground.
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  I am reacting to the reports I'm seeing on social media just like
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  you are. So let's go to Bob Pockras
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  first, OK, I saw him reporting this first.
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  This was an hour ago or so he says.
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  He tweets 2311 and front row have been denied A rehearing to
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  the injunction reversal. So potentially could lose their
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  charters effective for Dover. So this is what happened.
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  It was about a month ago or so when NASCAR won this particular
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  ruling. And So what happened was you'd
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  have to wait about what, couple weeks to have to have the teams
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  try and overturn this. And then it could be another
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  seven days if the teams actually lost their charters.
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  So that's where we're at right now.
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  And with the fact that NASCAR has a victory here in, in terms
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  of this legal, I was going to call it a legal battle.
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  It's really a legal war. So NASCAR has won this
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  particular battle. And because you have to wait
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  seven days then, right? So it's not going to happen for
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  Sonoma this week. And we don't know officially if
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  it's actually going to happen at all, if these teams really will
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  lose their charters. But now 2311 Racing, Front Row
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  Motorsports, they are in jeopardy of losing their
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  charters next week. So if you look at the NASCAR
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  schedule, you have Sonoma coming up this weekend, week after that
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  is Dover. So you could have these teams
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  running as non chartered teams for Dover coming up in about a
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  week and a half. And remember, if you're not
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  running as a chartered team, there's there's really two big
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  downsides to that. And I would say the the money
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  is, is the biggest downside that you lose out on on the charter
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  money, whereas the chartered teams are in on that pot and the
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  non chartered teams aren't. The other part is you'd have to
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  qualify in And so if you'd ever did have a race with more than
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  40 cars and and we don't really anticipate that happening.
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  Although if you look at the Chicago St. course race, you did
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  have what Corey Heim was the one driver that did not qualify in.
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  So if any of these races upcoming, if, if 2311 racing
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  Inferno Motorsports, if they actually do lose their charters,
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  they could have to qualify in any of these races if there's
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  more than 40 cars. So this is also from Bob
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  Parker's ex feed. He does have a statement from 20
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  through 11 front row attorney Jeffrey Kessler.
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  We've been hearing from him ever since last November.
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  Whenever this lawsuit started, was it late October or early
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  November? Whenever it was it was it was
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  around that time. So basically statement from 20
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  through 11 and front row attorney Jeffrey Kessler on
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  appeal court denial of their request for a rehearing on the
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  injunction reversal. I know that's a lot of legalese.
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  OK. The teams possibly will have to
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  raise as open having to qualify to get in And I just told you
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  that if there's a race with more than 40 cars and would receive
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  less money and that starts next week at Dover.
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  But here is the actual statement from Jeffrey Kessler.
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  Again, try not to repeat myself, but he's the attorney for 2311
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  Racing in Front Row Motorsports. He says, quote, We are
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  disappointed by the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision to
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  deny our request for a full rehearing.
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  This decision has no bearing on the strength of our antitrust
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  case, which we look forward to presenting at trial.
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  We are committed to racing this season as we continue to fight
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  for more competitive and fair terms for all teams to ensure
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  the future of the sport and remain fully confident in our
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  case. End Quote.
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  OK, that was about an hour ago that Bob Pockras put up that
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  particular quote. I'm going to see if he has any
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  more reporting on this. So about 25 minutes ago, Bob
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  Pockras tweets. 2311 and front row have said they remain
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  committed to field 3 car teams, whether open or chartered for
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  this year. So this won't change things for
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  this year. So that would indicate they have
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  the financial ability to make up the difference.
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  And then in parentheses, I assume if they win at trial
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  there would be some sort of damages to cover it.
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  So if they were to lose money this year because they were non
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  chartered teams, then they would win the lawsuit.
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  If they were to win the lawsuit coming up in December, they
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  could be entitled to some damages.
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  I feel like one of those lawyers that's on TV, you could be
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  entitled to some damages. All right, let's see if Bob
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  Bob's been great reporting this all along.
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  Let's go to Jeff Glock as well. Jeff Glock, our partner on Dirty
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  MO Media, right? Of course they have the tear
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  down. We have Herman Schrader.
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  Let's see if he has anything different than Bob Pockrus.
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  He has the statement, he has the news, blah, blah, blah.
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  And then, so here's one tweet from Jeff Glock.
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  He says everything is pending the December 1st trial or a
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  settlement in parentheses. Of course, there could be a
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  settlement before a potential trial in December, but the way
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  things are going doesn't look like that, doesn't look like
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  these. The teams and NASCAR are on a
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  very friendly footing right now. Both sides would characterize
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  these motions and ruling so far as relatively minor compared to
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  the trial itself. That's when we are really going
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  to see how this all turns out and what the impacts are.
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  Right. So today, today, what's going
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  on? I, I don't think anybody
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  expected the the teams to have this reversed.
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  The, the big news was about a month ago or three weeks ago,
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  whenever it was when we, we heard this, that they could lose
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  their charters. And then you had basically the
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  time frame where the teams could appeal.
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  So that was what, 1421 days, one of those two time frames.
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  And then once they basically did not get a rehearing.
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  That's today, right now, that's Wednesday, July 9th.
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  Now there's seven days after that where they could lose their
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  charters. So like I said, Sonoma is not an
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  issue this weekend, but these teams, 2311 racing, front row
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  Motorsports, they could be racing as non chartered teams,
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  as open teams as early as Dover about 10 days from now.
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  So what do you guys think of this?
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  Let's check out the stream here. We got 173 of you guys and gals
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  watching. Let's go to your comments.
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  Here let's see. Tom Casella says Denny needs to
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  fight for his rights to party or to race as a chartered team.
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  Tony Dyson says NASCAR has become a joke now.
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  Why is that? Just because of this lawsuit,
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  Den's live concert videos. When you had every other team
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  sign the agreement and two teams, not pretty hard to have a
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  leg to stand on. I hear you.
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  But I think all the other teams were happy about this lawsuit,
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  to be honest. I think they were happy that
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  2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports were fighting for
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  them. And you saw a lot of comments
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  from Richard Childress from Rick Hendrick basically insinuating
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  we were tired. You know, we had to sign the
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  agreement. We have employees to to worry
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  about and all that. But I think if if you have put
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  them on a lie detector, all the teams were happy that 2311
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  Racing in front of Motorsports went through with this lawsuit.
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  Let's see. Yeah, and basically our guy Biz
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  said kind of what I just said. Multiple teams said they didn't
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  even agree with the contract, but we're afraid to lose money.
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  Yeah, I think that's a fair characterization.
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  Boo Bah says. When is Denny going to blame
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  Joey Logano? Are we dead ass?
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  Broken heart? Are we dead ass?
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  What does that mean? Jerry Lewis says finally, can't
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  have your cake and eat it too. Well, there's no finality,
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  though, just so everybody knows, there's no finality with this
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  ruling. But again, it's another legal
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  win in this long. We're going to call it a war.
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  I don't like to compare sports to war, but this is a little
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  battle within the war. And clearly NASCAR has been on
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  the right side of of recent developments.
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  They've been winning a lot of these small battles over the
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  last several months. Let's see.
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  Sherry Parker says, I love it. Hope they lose their charters.
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  You want them to lose their charters, so does Charles
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  Tinsman. Hopefully they lose them.
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  How about that? Pure stock 83 says sounds like
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  the teams want a more want more return on investment from
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  NASCAR. Yeah, that's fair.
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  They definitely want a bigger piece of the pie when it's
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  broken down between the tracks. NASCAR.
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  Also, remember NASCAR owns a lot of the tracks and the teams as
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  well, Smit B says. I think it's fair to the other
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  teams that did sign the contract for 20 through 11 in front row
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  to run as open. OK, I understand that.
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  I don't agree with that, but I understand your your thinking
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  there. Southwest says.
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  This should all be worked through on the offseason.
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  Worked on through the offseason, Yeah, I get that.
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  You tell me, though. I don't think it's a huge
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  distraction. The news updates are always
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  happening during the midweek where look, we're kind of
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  looking for some NASCAR news Anyway, I don't know how you
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  guys feel now. Maybe it's because we make
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  content, right? We make videos, so it helps when
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  we have news. But I feel like, I feel like
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  it's not a distraction for the races, right?
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  Like last year I thought the timing of this was bad just
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  because it came out right before the championship.
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  OK, let me look that up because I keep saying late October,
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  early November. Let me let me look that up
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  because I know it came out right before the championship and
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  let's see when that lawsuit was actually filed.
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  OK OK, here we go. This is the AI overview, so
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  don't quote it directly because hey, you saw what happened with
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  Grok yesterday with AI. Grok was going crazy on X, but
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  it says 2 NASCAR teams, 2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports
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  filed an antitrust lawsuit against NASCAR in October of
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  2024. So it was it was October.
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  Am I seeing October 2nd? OK, I thought it was late
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  October, but I'm seeing October 2nd.
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  Yes. OK.
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  So October 2nd. OK, so I was wrong on that.
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  So you had a month or so after that before the the
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  championship. So this was a big story
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  obviously for the last month, 5 weeks, six weeks last year of
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  the NASCAR season. So yeah, I mean, we're, we're
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  not approaching a year, but it's not far off for August,
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  September, October. We're about 3 months away from
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  this being a story for a year. So it was a big talking point
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  obviously back in October for a week or so.
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  It's been a big talking point in the offseason.
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  There's been a lot of updates. But I feel like NASCAR and the
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  teams, they've done a good job of of not making this be a huge
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  distraction for the on on race on track product that that's
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  what I think at least. I don't mind that we have some
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  of these updates during the midweek.
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  I feel like, yeah, Denny Hamlin, he's asked about it on the
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  weekends. If there's a development.
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  He talks about it a little bit on his podcast.
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  But I don't feel like this has become a huge distraction for
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  the 2025 NASCAR season. What do you guys think?
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  You agree, You disagree. What you think Bart Omond, this
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  is BSA charter is equal to a franchise agreement.
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  But it's not, though. It's actually not.
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  And that's why they called it a charter and not not a franchise.
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  Could you imagine if the NFL could pull a franchise at their
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  leisure? And and that's where semantics,
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  this is important. It was never a franchise, folks.
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  It was a charter and it was written and described that way
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  on purpose. Alex Neller says hey.
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  Hey, Alex. We're about 13 minutes in.
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  Hey, please subscribe to the channel if you haven't already.
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  stream. I'm not going to go too long.
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  I always say that then I go way longer.
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  But I also, I really appreciate the fact we have 177 of you
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  watching live and thousands more will watch it after we're live,
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  we'll put on Kenny Wallace Media.
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  So I appreciate you guys joining and I like to read your comments
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  because hey, you took the time to put the comments in and I
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  like to acknowledge them and read them for you.
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  Let's see, Rex Dowell says they lose their charter, then they
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  have sponsorship trouble. Tyler Reddick and Bubba Wallace
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  already said it. If he got to run open, they'd be
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  leaving. Are you sure about that?
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  Are you sure about that? I'd have to check on that.
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  I mean, it's still one of the best teams in NASCAR, right?
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  And look, first of all, them running open, if that's the
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  case, if they have to run as open teams starting in a week at
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  Dover, that would be, you would think, a 2025 problem, right?
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  I mean, Tyler Reddick, bubble walls, nobody's leaving in 2025.
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  Now, if they were to lose the lawsuit, if something crazy
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  happens, could those drivers walk away after 2025?
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  Sure. I think that's definitely a
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  possibility. If they lose, they're charters.
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  I don't think that's going to happen, and that's more of a
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  story for the future. But none of these drivers are
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  leaving 2025. When you're in the middle of a
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  playoff chase, that's not going to happen.
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  Let's see, we have. Lulap, Nasla.
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  I want to know why no one will talk about how NASCAR owns
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  everything from the cars, tracks, tickets, TV, income,
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  just everything and it's distracting.
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  NASCAR looks like a bully. Yeah, I can.
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  I can see that also that line of thinking, I, I think the teams
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  eventually have to get a larger piece of the pie.
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  That's that's where I'm on this. And I've, I've said that from
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  the get go, but hey, maybe I'm wrong.
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  Maybe NASCAR wins a trial or who knows, We'll know in December.
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  We'll see. What will NASCAR, will NASCAR
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  force these teams to run as open teams?
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  Or could they have a little bit of an olive branch next week and
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  say, you know what, we're going to allow you to run as as
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  chartered teams the rest of the year while we figure this out.
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  Could you actually see some grace from NASCAR?
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  What do you think? Probably not.
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  You never know, which is why, look, there'll be some, some
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  more really big news next week when 7 days from now we could
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  hear that these teams have to run as open teams or, or maybe
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  they have some type of deal, maybe some type of deal for
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  this, this year where hey, we'll figure it out in the offseason.
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  I don't know. I'm fascinated by that.
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  Well, NASCAR, offer the teams any grace.
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  I probably wouldn't if I was being sued, let's be honest.
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  And I'm more on the side of the teams than NASCAR.
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  But if I'm NASCAR and I'm being sued by these teams, why would I
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  give them a break this year? Would you?
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  Probably not. Let's see.
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  OK, so. Rex Dahl jumping back in, it
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  didn't finish my recording. Tyler Reddick and Bubba Wallace
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  said that they lose the charter, they're leaving 2011.
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  So what are they going to do for drivers for those two cars?
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  Yeah, I I don't think that's going to happen.
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  Let's see. Yeah, Jerry Lewis, says Rex
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  Dahl. Where are they going to go?
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  There are no open seats. I mean, look at Kyle Busch.
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  You don't think Kyle Busch probably wanted to go somewhere
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  else? Let's be real, then, Richard
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  Childress Racing, You don't think he picked up the phone to
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  see if anybody else was wanting him?
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  Any seats available? Like, do you really think, by
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  the way, this is more of a question for 2026, but do you
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  really think that Bubba Wallace and Tyler Raddick can find
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  better rides than 2311 racing? 2311 Racing, They're essentially
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  just a tick below the big three, right?
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  Hendrick, Joe Gibbs Racing and Penske 2311 racing is just a
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  tick below. I mean, they're one of the
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  better teams in NASCAR. I don't see those drivers
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  leaving. Let's see, let's see.
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  Johnny Stevens says I'm done with NASCAR.
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  How about that and Lou App Nosla again?
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  No, it's distracting in the sense of what used to be a great
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  sport looks like some huge conglomerate evil empire.
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  I don't know the bad guys in a Resident Evil movie.
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  And that's what NASCAR looks like.
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  How about that? I've never seen Resident Evil.
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  I've heard about it, but you're saying NASCAR looks like a
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  bully. They're the bad guys again, I'm
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  I understand them being a bully at times.
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  They are being sued for monopolistic practices.
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  I don't call them evil. I don't think they're a villain.
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  But I think at the end of the day, this is my opinion.
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  I, I think they're going to probably have to cough up some
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  more money to the teams when this is all said and done,
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  whether it's a trial in December or a settlement.
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  So there you go, DG1 says goodbye NASCAR.
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  See ya F you later. Now, are you mad about this
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  lawsuit or is it something else? Here we go, we got Jimmy Brown.
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  Jimmy Brown says no grace from the France family, but no teams,
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  no NASCAR. Money needs to be shared in a
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  more equitable manner just for the health of the sport.
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  That's where I'm at. Jimmy Brown.
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  I thought that was very well said.
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  Here we go. We got Charlie Ann spelled
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  differently than myself, which is Charl i.e., this is Charley.
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  For the ones that said to do this, all this in the offseason,
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  they really only have a month or two.
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  That's not much time to get everything straightened out.
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  Yeah, that's true. We said earlier, we looked it
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  up, the lawsuit was filed October 2nd.
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  So you have October, you have about what couple 10-12 days in
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  November before the season ends. Then you have essentially about
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  90 days exactly right. You have whenever the season
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  ended last year early to mid November.
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  And then you have Daytona. Well, actually you have the you
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  have the clash first. So I mean, really it's three
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  months. You have three months.
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  Something this big is not going to be settled in three months.
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  They'll end up having what they'll end up having about 14
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  months to get all the discovery to get all their their eyes
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  dotted and TS crossed for a potential trial in December.
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  Remember, and that's look, that timeline isn't crazy.
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  Something this big NASCAR versus the team's monopolistic
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  practices is what's being alleged.
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  So it's not crazy at all with something this big for for it
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  not to go to trial for about 14 months or so.
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  So here we go. DC322 says 2311 in front row
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  will still race his open teams. Yeah, in 2025.
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  And that's the thing. I think they would also still
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  race his open teams in 2026 even if they were to lose a trial.
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  But again, that's a question for another day.
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  That's a story for another day, but they have to go back to work
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  in January, don't they? That's from Charlie Ann.
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  I think they kind of work year round to be honest with you.
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  But I get what you're saying. I mean like the offseason in
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  terms of no actual races. That's what I meant.
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  Here we go. Subaru Jiffy.
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  Looking forward to NASCAR having to share financials if it goes
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  to court. Me too.
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  But also the teams would have to share financials.
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  This is juicy. I'm looking forward to all.
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  This right, Let's see. Megan story all says how will
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  this affect sponsorship and marketing, which NASCAR needs
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  along with the networks? I don't think this has any
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  effect on that to be honest with you.
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  I mean NASCAR just signed up what $7.7 billion TV package.
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  They're doing fine folks. They got they got streaming
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  coming aboard. You saw prime TV did great.
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  You got Turner. They're like the NFL now.
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  The NFL always had all the networks, right?
• 21:37
  You had the CBS package on Sundays, the Fox package, you
• 21:41
  got Monday Night Football with ABCESPN, you got Sunday Night
• 21:45
  Football with NBC. Now you got Prime with the NFL.
• 21:50
  So NASCAR is smart. They're making all these
• 21:52
  different networks and streaming services all buck up and compete
• 21:56
  for their different races. So NASCAR is doing just fine in
• 21:58
  that capacity. Although, hey, there are still
• 22:01
  issues. I think NASCAR needs to fix the
• 22:03
  car this offseason, fix the short track stuff.
• 22:07
  I don't like the fuel saving on the superspeedways.
• 22:10
  And if we get back to the Mark Martin conversation, I would
• 22:14
  like to see them tweak the playoff format and not maybe
• 22:18
  have it come down to one race, maybe a final three races.
• 22:21
  Figure something out just to make it not just all about one
• 22:24
  race. They've already switched up the
• 22:27
  the final race where it's at. Remember now we're going to have
• 22:30
  a a rotating, we're going to have a rotating final race.
• 22:33
  It's not just going to be Phoenix every year.
• 22:35
  You're going to have Miami in the in the mix.
• 22:37
  And folks have talked about where else could it be Vegas?
• 22:39
  Could it be Charlotte? Could it be Darlington?
• 22:42
  What do you guys think? Phoenix in the mix, Miami
• 22:46
  Homestead in the mix, and what other tracks you think could be
• 22:49
  thrown in there? Let's see.
• 22:53
  Here we go. Here we go.
• 22:55
  NASCAR has already submitted their books.
• 22:59
  That's from John Haas. OK.
• 23:03
  There was a there was a comment I wanted to read back here.
• 23:08
  It was about. I said would would NASCAR offer
• 23:10
  any grace? Did I already read it?
• 23:15
  Yeah. Here you go, Jimmy Brown.
• 23:17
  No grace from the France family, but no teams, no NASCAR.
• 23:20
  I already read this one. Sorry.
• 23:22
  Money needs to be shared in a more equitable manner just for
• 23:25
  the health of the sport. Well, Jimmy, that was so good
• 23:27
  that I read it twice. How about that?
• 23:30
  All right, I'm not going to go too much longer.
• 23:31
  I always say that, but you guys are still watching 193 of you.
• 23:34
  I appreciate it and we'll just kind of reset the title.
• 23:39
  Breaking news, 2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports denied
• 23:43
  hearing and could lose their charters next week.
• 23:46
  So not for Sonoma, but seven days from now, these teams could
• 23:52
  be racing as open teams, which means they lose out on the
• 23:55
  financial incentive of being a chartered team.
• 23:59
  Plus they would have to qualify in any races if there's more
• 24:03
  than 40 cars, which probably wouldn't happen very much at
• 24:06
  all. But look, just last week in
• 24:08
  Chicago, you had Katherine leg qualified in over Corey Heim.
• 24:12
  So you could have some of these big teams.
• 24:14
  I mean we're talking Tyler Reddick, Bubba Wallace.
• 24:18
  What if something were to happen, right?
• 24:20
  They have to go to A to a backup car.
• 24:22
  They they crash in qualifying. I mean, because you have one of
• 24:27
  these big name drivers that don't make the show and that
• 24:31
  would be that would be a massive story, obviously.
• 24:34
  Yeah. DG1 smash that like button,
• 24:36
  baby. Thank you for that.
• 24:39
  Lou Apnosla. Thank God they changed that up.
• 24:42
  Rotating the final race. Finally, somebody besides Penske
• 24:46
  will win. We shall see.
• 24:47
  Penske certainly has the code cracked when it comes to
• 24:52
  Phoenix, that's for sure. Winning the last three
• 24:55
  championships, all three championships in the next
• 24:58
  genera. Joey Logano Ryan Blaney back to
• 25:01
  Joey Logano. Let's see here, I want to see
• 25:04
  how many of y'all are watching or have been watching on YouTube
• 25:09
  because I appreciate you guys on a Wednesday saw this breaking
• 25:13
  news. Thought I'd jump on and chat
• 25:15
  with you so far, 1100 of you have been watching this live
• 25:20
  stream and while I got you by the way, we did a coffee with
• 25:24
  Kenny put that out earlier where Kenny was talking about some big
• 25:26
  news in F1. He was talking about Bowman Gray
• 25:29
  returning for the Clash and also he had a nice tribute to his mom
• 25:34
  who said gave him some needed tough love when he was a kid.
• 25:37
  And then also we have Herman Schrader coming up on YouTube
• 25:43
  and it's already out there on Dirty MO Media Podcast.
• 25:47
  So if you want to listen to Herman Schrader right now, you
• 25:49
  can go to Dirty MO Media Podcast and it's there ready to
• 25:53
  rock'n'roll. I was going to put it on YouTube
• 25:55
  at 1:00, but because I went live, we'll probably let this,
• 25:59
  we'll let this live stream marinate on YouTube for a couple
• 26:01
  hours and then we'll put Herman Schrader up here on YouTube.
• 26:04
  So you can see the video in a couple hours here.
• 26:07
  How about that? Is that fair?
• 26:09
  Let's see. Patrick James Simpson, the
• 26:12
  Daytona 500 should never have stage racing or overtime.
• 26:18
  Gary Palmer says watching on YouTube, thank you.
• 26:21
  You're going to watch Herman Trader on YouTube.
• 26:23
  Appreciate that. Charlie Ann says, rub some paint
• 26:28
  on that like button. How about that?
• 26:31
  And Justin Moore says, does this mean certain charters could go
• 26:34
  up for sale? I don't think anything's going
• 26:37
  to happen with these charters in terms of sales this year.
• 26:41
  I think they have to figure it out if it goes to a trial or a
• 26:44
  settlement. This is certainly bad news for
• 26:46
  2311 in front of Motorsports for this year if they have to run as
• 26:50
  open teams. But I don't think, I don't think
• 26:54
  any of that in terms of sales in the future will be impacted
• 26:57
  until we have a trial or a settlement which would start in
• 27:00
  December if it's a trial. Let's see.
• 27:04
  Lou App Nosla you and Kenny could probably with some
• 27:07
  suggestions from the knowledge non hating NASCAR fan could do
• 27:11
  some serious digging and get a lot of clicks and bait likes
• 27:15
  doing what I don't. I don't think we do the click
• 27:17
  bait. I think we're pretty fair here,
• 27:19
  don't you think? What do you think?
• 27:22
  I think we're pretty fair with our titles.
• 27:23
  We don't do click bait. We try to sell our titles a
• 27:26
  little bit at the market. It all right, it's promotion,
• 27:28
  but I don't think we're click bait.
• 27:30
  Let's see. Megan, sorry all.
• 27:33
  Thanks, Charlie. You make it make sense.
• 27:35
  Andrew Barela, much love from Central Valley of California.
• 27:39
  Thank you, Andrew. Let's see.
• 27:43
  Patrick James Simpson, how much money has Jordan got to lose?
• 27:46
  When does he say enough? He's got a lot of money to lose.
• 27:48
  He doesn't want to lose it, but that man's got a lot, a lot, a
• 27:51
  lot, a lot, a lot of money. Let's just Google it real quick.
• 27:55
  Michael Jordan net worth right in the billions for sure.
• 27:59
  What are we thinking? Michael Jordan net worth?
• 28:03
  What's your guess? I'm going to say, could it be
• 28:07
  like 3 billion? Here we go.
• 28:11
  Oh, look at that. This is according, I just
• 28:14
  Googled it, 3.5 billion by Forbes.
• 28:18
  That was 2025. So I was pretty close to, I said
• 28:20
  three billion, 3.5 billion according to Forbes.
• 28:24
  So he's got a lot of money to lose in theory, although he
• 28:28
  certainly doesn't want to lose any money.
• 28:31
  Does anybody want to lose money? I sure as hell don't.
• 28:34
  Let's see. 800 million. Nope. 3.5 Billy Baby.
• 28:40
  Let's see. Please save NASCAR from the
• 28:43
  silliness of the gimmick races. Now.
• 28:46
  What are you talking about? They're talking about.
• 28:48
  Are you talking about Chicago St. course?
• 28:51
  I like that race. Let's see.
• 28:56
  Lou Abnasso says it was said that NASCAR was going to delete
• 28:59
  them down to 32 if this went bad.
• 29:01
  That was before the two extra teams.
• 29:03
  So yeah, you could have less charters next year if they lose.
• 29:07
  A, a trial, for sure. Chump change.
• 29:10
  Yeah. I think, look, Michael Jordan
• 29:14
  doesn't start this fight if he doesn't think, A, he has a good
• 29:18
  chance of winning and B, he has the financial wherewithal to
• 29:23
  stick it out. I mean, you think he thought
• 29:25
  this was going to end quick, right?
• 29:27
  We, we potentially have a trial. And these lawyers are not cheap
• 29:30
  folks. As you know, NASCAR needs needs
• 29:35
  the Jordan connection. Do they need the Jordan
• 29:38
  connection? Is that what you're saying?
• 29:40
  Let me read real quick one more time the statement from the
• 29:43
  attorney for 2311 Racing in Front Row Motorsports.
• 29:49
  Just if some of you are joining us here at the end, I read this
• 29:52
  earlier. This is from Jeffrey Kessler.
• 29:55
  He's the attorney for the teams suing NASCAR.
• 29:59
  And here's his statement. Quote.
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  We are disappointed by the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals
• 30:04
  decision to deny our request for a full rehearing.
• 30:08
  This decision has no bearing on the strength of our antitrust
• 30:12
  case, which we look forward to presenting at trial.
• 30:14
  We are committed to racing this season as we continue to fight
• 30:17
  for more competitive and fair terms for all teams to ensure
• 30:21
  the future of the sport and remain fully confident in our
• 30:25
  case. End Quote.
• 30:27
  So there you go, we got more people joining 217.
• 30:31
  Now you see the headline. Breaking news is a couple hours
• 30:35
  ago, 2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports denied hearing they
• 30:40
  could lose their charters next week.
• 30:43
  So 3-4 weeks ago when this first came out and then the teams had
• 30:48
  their chance to appeal and ask for a rehearing.
• 30:51
  So today they lost that. Now there's a seven day period
• 30:54
  where they could lose their charters.
• 30:56
  So it won't impact Sonoma coming up this weekend, but it could
• 30:59
  impact, it could impact Dover. Let's check the schedule real
• 31:04
  quick. So basically here we are.
• 31:08
  Do do, do. Just had Chicago, Shane van
• 31:10
  Gisbergen one, as you know, you have Sonoma coming up, you got
• 31:14
  Dover after that. You got the Brickyard at Indy
• 31:17
  after that, that closes out July.
• 31:20
  But yes, starting in Dover, starting at Dover, you could
• 31:24
  have 2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports running as open
• 31:28
  teams. They lose out on the financial,
• 31:32
  the financial boom that you get from being a chartered team.
• 31:36
  And also if there's more than 40 cars, they would have to qualify
• 31:38
  their way in. And if something bad happened in
• 31:41
  qualifying, they could actually not make the show on Sunday,
• 31:46
  which their sponsors would not be happy about.
• 31:49
  As you know, I also have a feeling all the sponsors kind of
• 31:53
  knew what was what was going on, right?
• 31:56
  There's a lot of talk about the team.
• 31:57
  So look, those sponsors, they're, they're getting some
• 32:02
  extra publicity also, even if you could say it's negative
• 32:04
  publicity, but there's a lot of talk about these drivers and
• 32:07
  these cars and you're seeing these cars more on the track or
• 32:11
  in pictures or in articles if they're talking about the
• 32:14
  lawsuit. So from a sponsorship
• 32:15
  standpoint, I think they're getting some good brand
• 32:18
  recognition, even if it's not, even if it's not always
• 32:23
  positive. But to me, this is just
• 32:25
  business. This is business, right?
• 32:26
  This happens in every major sport.
• 32:28
  Every major sport you have, we're going to call this a labor
• 32:32
  issue, whether it's a strike, whether it's a, a lockout,
• 32:36
  right? Every sport, I mean, I'm 43
• 32:39
  years old, every sport has gone through this.
• 32:42
  Baseball, the strike, right? You had another, you had another
• 32:46
  strike or you had a lockout that pushed the season going back to
• 32:52
  when was that? That was like 2020-2021,
• 32:55
  remember now they had to kind of, they had to speed up the
• 32:58
  season later. They have these crazy double
• 33:00
  headers and all that. That was just within the last
• 33:03
  five years. Hockey has had two strikes to
• 33:06
  work stoppages in recent memory, right?
• 33:09
  The NBA 2 that that 50 game season was that about 20 years
• 33:13
  ago. Football.
• 33:15
  I know they had a lockout when I was covering the Rams.
• 33:19
  Now they didn't miss any games, NFL didn't, but that was a
• 33:22
  lockout in the offseason. That was probably 1012 years ago
• 33:28
  if I remember correctly. Let's see.
• 33:31
  Charlie, do you have a win prediction for Sonoma?
• 33:36
  Should I just go? Should I go SVG?
• 33:38
  Is that too easy? What about Michael McDowell?
• 33:43
  How about Michael McDowell running so well?
• 33:46
  Remember, he he led, what do you lead 30 laps?
• 33:49
  I think he actually LED more laps than Shane van Gisbergen at
• 33:53
  the Chicago race here. Let's, let's, let's find it real
• 33:56
  quick. I believe he led 31 laps.
• 33:59
  I looked that up the other day. So Shane van Gisbergen LED 26
• 34:04
  laps and Michael McDowell LED 31 laps of that race before things
• 34:11
  went sour for him. Won that first stage, finished
• 34:14
  32nd but had good speed. He was given SVG everything he
• 34:18
  had. So I'm going to be a good story
• 34:21
  of Shane van Gisbergen. One, I'm going to go with
• 34:23
  Michael McDowell. I'd like to see Michael McDowell
• 34:26
  win that race. What do you guys think?
• 34:28
  I'm trying to think of other of other drivers that haven't won
• 34:32
  this year that I'd like to see get a road course victory.
• 34:38
  What about what about AJ Allen Niger?
• 34:40
  That'd be a good story. He's 15th in points right now.
• 34:43
  So he's he's running well. Still need to win.
• 34:47
  McDowell obviously needs a win. Who are other good Rd. course
• 34:51
  racers? Shane van Gisbergen already has
• 34:54
  two wins. I mean, is it going to be, is it
• 34:58
  going to be a road course specialist or is is one of the
• 35:03
  big, I mean Chase Elliott's a good Rd. course driver.
• 35:05
  Obviously what you have you had the other day, Denny Hamlin
• 35:10
  finished fourth on the street course.
• 35:13
  I mean look, Ty Gibbs finished second in that race.
• 35:17
  Tyler Reddick, he's obviously a really good Rd. course racer.
• 35:20
  Kyle Busch finished fifth. I'd like to see Kyle Busch.
• 35:23
  I still want to see Kyle Busch win a race.
• 35:26
  I've given you 10 answers right now.
• 35:27
  Could Ty Gibbs first ever win be at Sonoma in the Cup Series?
• 35:31
  Kyle Busch hasn't won in forever.
• 35:34
  I'd like to see Kyle Busch get a win.
• 35:36
  I gave you 5 answers there which didn't really answer your
• 35:39
  question, but there you go. I would like to see Bubba
• 35:43
  Wallace get a road course victory.
• 35:46
  That'd be pretty sweet, pretty sweet.
• 35:49
  DG one, it's time for a new sanctioning body and new tracks
• 35:52
  to race at. But they're they're going to new
• 35:55
  tracks, right? I'm in Mexico City, Chicago St.
• 35:58
  course. I said this on Herman Schrader.
• 36:00
  You can listen to it right now on Dirty MO Media.
• 36:02
  It's coming out on YouTube later.
• 36:03
  I said I think NASCAR is doing a good job of melding the old with
• 36:06
  the new, the old fan with the new fans.
• 36:08
  New stuff, Mexico City and Chicago St. course and maybe a
• 36:12
  San Diego St. course, right? But the old fans, they got North
• 36:16
  Wilkesboro, they got Rockingham, they got Bowman Gray.
• 36:19
  I feel like they're trying their best to serve all the different
• 36:22
  fans. And I'm somebody who's critical
• 36:24
  of NASCAR. I feel like when it's fair and I
• 36:26
  I think NASCAR is doing a hell of a job in that capacity.
• 36:29
  I think they got to clean up the playoffs a little bit and I
• 36:32
  think all offseason all they have to do, they just have to
• 36:34
  fix the car on the short tracks, figure it out, do it, do tons of
• 36:38
  testing, let the teams tinker, let the teams figure it out,
• 36:42
  clean up the short track racing and no more fuel saving.
• 36:45
  Figure it out at superspeedways. Other than that, and I know it's
• 36:48
  that's a lot, but like intermediate racing pretty Dang
• 36:51
  good, don't you think? Rd. course racing pretty Dang
• 36:54
  good, don't you think? Chicago I thought was really
• 36:56
  good. Koda earlier this year was a
• 36:59
  great race. Christopher Bell, remember, he
• 37:01
  was holding off, held off Kyle Busch at the end of that was
• 37:04
  great racing. So look it, it is a lot, but if
• 37:10
  you figured out intermediates, you've figured out Rd. course
• 37:13
  racing. Fix the short tracks and and
• 37:16
  Atlanta is great too by the way. Atlanta is great also.
• 37:19
  But super Speedway racing fans don't want to see fuel saving,
• 37:23
  neither do I Fix the short track package and NASCAR.
• 37:27
  I think a lot of people will stop complaining.
• 37:29
  Actually, people are always going to complain, but a lot of
• 37:31
  people will stop. People love to complain.
• 37:34
  Let's be real. Let's be real.
• 37:36
  OK, here we go. With any luck, the entire field
• 37:41
  will beat Denny Hamlin. Not a Hamlin fan, huh?
• 37:44
  Huh. I think an underrated problem is
• 37:47
  the bump out of four at TMS. OK, we're getting real, real
• 37:53
  particular here. Let's see all.
• 37:56
  Right, I'll tell you what, I wasn't going to go long.
• 37:59
  I did go long. Thank you guys.
• 38:01
  Seriously, thank you all for for jumping in the comments.
• 38:05
  Thank you for watching 216 of you watching live Let's check
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  the let's check the YouTube numbers 16146 people have
• 38:13
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• 38:19
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• 38:22
  appreciate you guys very much one more time 2311 racing in
• 38:26
  front row Motorsports denied hearing could lose their
• 38:29
  charters next week. They could run as open teams for
• 38:32
  the Dover race. They lose out on a bunch of
• 38:35
  money. They would have to qualify their
• 38:37
  way in if they lose that charter status next week.
• 38:41
  There you go. All right, guys, thank you so
• 38:42
  much. Love you all.
• 38:45
  Charlie Marlowe signing off.