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Mega Edition: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 23-25) (5/23/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with the Tovin Noel interview with
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the OIG Inspectors. Question, what were you saying about Where're
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going to be in trouble? Noel? Thomas said that question.
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That's what I'm asking. Did he have a conversation? Did
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you have a conversation with Thomas? Answer? No, question, Well,
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did you have that right question? No? He said We're
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going to be in so much trouble. I didn't say anything. Question. Okay,
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So what statement did he make to you? Noel? Get
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the cutter and then I heard the rip. He lowered
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him to the floor. He was doing CPR. He said,
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breathe Epstein, breathe, and he said, we're going to be
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in so much trouble. But I never said anything. Question.
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You didn't respond to We're going to be in so
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much trouble, Noel, no question. Do you know why he
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said you're going to be in so much trouble? Noel?
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Because we didn't do the count question okay, Union Rep
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pipes in. I think it's important though, that you conveyed
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to him like that. You didn't understand the magnitude of
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what had just taken place, right, because that's something that
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you had expressed, so like not knowing what a cutter was,
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And maybe that gives insight into why there wasn't a
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more in depth conversation. I think it's important. Noel. Yeah,
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when he said to get the cutter, like I would
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have to go try to look for where a cutter was,
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but he didn't need it because he heard the rib.
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And then when he said he was going to be
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in so much trouble, like still wasn't thinking like the
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trouble that we're in now. I was just probably thinking
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because I know we didn't do the count. But I
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never responded because all the inmates by this time are
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on the door. Question because they're all watching Noel, Yeah, question,
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this all take place. One of the other investigators pipes in.
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I've got a question. You said you opened the grill.
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Did we have keys to open Epstein's thee well Noel
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who Thomas questioned Thomas? Noel, Yeah, he has the door keys.
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So there's two separate sets of keys. Noel, yes, question,
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so that's the keys that stayed with him the whole time.
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Noel yes. Question. But those door keys, so on the
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keychain that you have, what does that open? Noel? The
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grills question, that's it, Noel. There's other keys, the grill,
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the front door, that middle door, but not the inside
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cell door key question. That's what Thomas Noel. Yeah. Question.
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Now when you look inside the cell, you said you
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could see only Epstein's upper body. Where was he hanging? Noel,
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I don't know. I didn't see that part. Question. And
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when you heard the thud or you know, the rip
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and then the body landing, did you look inside to
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see what he was doing? Noel? When he when the
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body because when he lowered the body, he stepped back
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like to come like it's almost like he was backing
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up because you're bringing him down. So that's how I come.
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I was able to see just that part, but I
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didn't like go look in the cell. I was still
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on the grill question. So that's what I was trying
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to understand. Where exactly was he hanging? Noel, I don't know,
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because I don't know where he took him down from.
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I just only heard the rip and then he was
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walking the body light down question, So he was basically
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his arms were behind Epstein Noel, right, and he was
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bringing him bringing him down. Question was there a mattress
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on the floor Noel. While I'm assuming because the mattress
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was on the floor earlier, but I don't know. Question.
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So from where you were standing, you couldn't see the
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actual mattress, Noel, mattress no question. So he wasn't doing
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CPR like on top of a mattress, Noel, No, not
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that I can remember. Question. Do you remember what Epstein
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was wearing from what you could see? Noel. He didn't
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have a shirt on. Question, So not even like a
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rip shirt. Nothing was on Noel, he didn't have a
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shirt on. Question. Okay. And that time when you saw him,
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did you see anything around his neck? Noel? No question.
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And when you say no, are you saying that there
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was nothing around his neck? Noel, No, there was nothing
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around his neck. Question. So there was nothing around his neck. Okay.
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What did he look like? Noel? Blue? Question? He looked blue?
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Did he look like bloated or puffy or anything? Noel,
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No question. Did he look like he was deceased? Question?
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Or Noel, his face looked blue? Question? Any reason for
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you to believe that he was alive? Noel, no question.
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No did you see any kind of breath or anything? Noel,
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no question. What did his cell look like from where
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you could see, Noel, it wasn't really looking at his cell,
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but at that point I was just looking at Thomas
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doing CPR. I didn't look in there to see what
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he was doing. Question. Okay, so you didn't notice anything
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like unusual in the cell Noel, no question. When Thomas
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went to his door, did you notice if he actually
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had to use his key to open it or was
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it Do you know if it was actually already opened, Noel,
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he used to keto open it. Question. So are you
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confident that the door was locked? Noel, Yeah, because he
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knocked and then he used to key to open it.
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He knocked, he knocked, he didn't get a response, and
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then he used the key to open question. Was there
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any indication that any of the other inmates could have
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gotten out of their selves? Noel, no question. And you
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said you don't know if Thomas actually checked to c
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if he was alive. Noel, Yeah, I don't know. Question.
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You just know that you went straight into compressions. And
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did you say that the two or three minutes that
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you stood there, how long were you actually at the
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redacted when they walked into the door, Noel, When I
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went to get them to come to the door between
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the time she gets cut off, so you let Thomas
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goes in. He goes into the room. He's making these
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you know, you're watching him do some compressions. He makes
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the statement, we're going to be in so much trouble.
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How long are you standing there while you're observing this, Noel,
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about two minutes, because I'm waiting for the radio is
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going to tell me when everybody because remember, once I
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hit the button, everybody's coming, So the radio is going
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to tell me when everybody's at or where everybody's at.
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And they're at the door, and then I pop the
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door and I let them in. So I go to
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the door. She gets cut off, and you never entered
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the cell, Noel, no question. Who is the second person
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to enter Epstein's cell, Noel, That I don't remember because
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everybody came right at the time. I don't remember. Question. So, okay,
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you don't remember the first person on the scene, Noel,
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no question. Did they assist at all with the medical emergency? Noel,
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no question. No, So, what action did you take after
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the people arrived. What did you do, Noel. Nothing, They
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told me to get out of the way. Question, so
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did you like leave the teer Noel, I was on
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the bottom of the stairs. Question like observing Noel? Yeah,
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question okay, what did you observe from the bottom on
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the stairs When people arrived, Noel, they got a stretcher
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and they put them on a stretcher and brought them out.
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Question did anyone take over the CPR efforts that Thomas
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was doing? Noel, I don't remember. Question you don't remember
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seeing this, so this isn't something that's vivid in your memory,
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you know, like this whole big occurrence. You're not almost
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like you're playing it in slow motion, Noell. No, because
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when Thomas was doing CPR, then when they came, they
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took the stretcher and put them on the stretcher and left.
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As far as when they're remember, it's a lot of people,
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so I'm not really seeing like who's two steps they're
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coming out with them? Question about how many people responded, Noel,
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I don't know, maybe ten, fifteen. Question and they didn't
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know what they were responding to. They just knew it
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was a medical emergency. It wasn't an announced it was Epstein. Noell, No,
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there ain't nobody that indiscernible question. And is that typical
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for ten to fifteen people to respond to a medical emergency? Noel,
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there is no number. It's whoever is in the building
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and the body alarm goes off once you're not in
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a post, because when you're on a post, you can't
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leave your post. But everybody else in the building responds
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question and they just leave wherever they were to respond, Noel, Yeah, question, Okay.
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One of the other investigators has a question. I've got
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a question. When a body alarm is hit, who gets notified? Noel?
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Control question? And how do they differentiate between an inmate
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altercation versus a medical emergency? Noel. I mean the person
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that's hitting the body alarm can say it, but there's
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no differentiation. So either way, the response is the same question.
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So you could have said it, you just didn't say anything, Noel,
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Like when I hit the button, I could have said
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medical emergency on the radio. Yeah, but I could have
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said that question, but you didn't, Noel. No, because it's
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the same response question, right, has anybody ever hit it accidentally? Noel? Yeah,
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And same thing question and people rush Noel, Yeah, everybody comes.
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Question all right, and you said you stood there for
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a little while on the bottom of the steps. You
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observe some people going in. You don't know who took
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over CPR, Noel, I don't know. Question do you remember
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who put him on the stretcher? Noel, I don't know.
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Question did you see anybody like fall or anything going
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on the stretcher? Noel, no question. Did he ever fall
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off the stretcher? Noel know. Question did anyone drop him
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off the stretcher? Noel know? When they were removing him,
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did you see him like get knocked or anything like that? Noel,
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no question. Anything. Then, did you notice anything that could
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have caused additional injuries to his body aside from the
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hanging that that would have caused Noell, no question. What
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did Thomas do after people responded? Noel, After they took
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him out on the stretcher, he left. Question so not
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after the stretcher once at least one person showed up.
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Do you know what Thomas did? Noel know, Because I'm
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at the bottom of the stairs, so I don't know.
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Remember they're on the top. I'm at the bottom, so
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I don't know. Question, so could you even see in
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at all at this point? Noel? No I could only
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see that when they were coming down with them on
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the stretcher because I'm at the bottom. I can't see
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up there now. Question okay, so after you were standing there,
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when you let people in, you really couldn't see in
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the door anymore. Noel. No question. Okay, what happened when
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they came out with the stretcher, Noel, they left out
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of the shoe with them. Question did you go with them? Noel?
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No I had to stay. Question you stayed in the shoe.
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Did anyone stay with you? Noel? No question? You were
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there alone? Noel alone? Question and what did you have
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to do at this time? Noel? I kept calling Control
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like what's going on? And they was like, somebody's going
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to come, like help you, because remember we're supposed to feed.
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Question how long were you in the shoe by your
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after they left? Noel, maybe like twenty fifteen or twenty minutes. Question,
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so just do you remember now? I want you to
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say these names to make sure that they were actually there.
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Do you remember if the first person to arrive in
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the shoe was Lieutenant redacted? Does that help spark a
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recollection of who arrived first, since you were there and
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the one who let him in, Noel, when the medical
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I don't know who arrived first, but he was in there.
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Question because you're the one that had to let him in, right, Noel, Yeah,
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but I don't remember who came in first, but I
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remember he was there. Question how about redacted? Noel? Yes? Question,
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how do you spell the last name? Redacted? Question? Okay?
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And did you say anything to these people that arrived Noel,
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no question. You didn't say like it's Epstein or Epstein
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hung himself or anything. Noell know the only thing that
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they asked because when they come on, they want to
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know where the emergency is. So I just pointed up
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the stairs. Question okay, did you make any statements to
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anybody about saying we didn't do the rounds at three
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am and five am? Noel? No. After Lieutenant redacted asked
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me what happened. When I was getting ready to answer him,
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Thomas came off the elevator and was like, oh, it's
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not her fault, we fucked up. Question So at first,
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did you say we didn't do a round to three am? Noel?
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No question? And then he responded, it's not your fault.
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We didn't do the rounds. We messed up, Noel. No
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I didn't say that question. So that's not your recollection
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that you saying we didn't do the three am and
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five am rounds. Noell, no question. Okay, So they're saying
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that you said that. Do you think that they're mistaken
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that you told them that, Noel, I don't really recall
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saying that question. Okay, So you don't recall, but it's
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possible that you could have said that, Noel, probably, but
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I don't recall saying it. I remember Lieutenant redacted asked
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me what happened, and I was getting ready to tell
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him what happened, and Thomas came off the elevator and
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said that. But I don't recall saying that question. And
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this is after Thomas came back from bringing Epstein down. Noel. Well,
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he went down with him question and then he came back.
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So when you say, by the elevator, where was the elevator, Noel?
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In the hallway question outside the shoe in the shoe, Noel,
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like right the door, the first door question, So the
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first door of what Noel? The shoe question? So is
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that outside of the shoe Noel, Like, right outside the
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door of the shoe door. Question outside the second outer door, Noel. Yeah. Question,
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so right outside of the outer door, this is where
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you had a conversation with who Noel Lieutenant redacted? Question?
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Who else was present? Noell? Nobody else, just me and
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him and Thomas. Question okay, And he asked you what happened? Noel?
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He asked me what happened? And the elevator door opened
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and Thomas came out of the elevator. I was getting
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ready to answer, and Thomas said, it's not her fault.
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We fucked up. Question. And you know why he made
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that statement, Noel. I think because he didn't want to
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do the counts. Question. But why did he say it
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wasn't your fault? Noel? Because I kept waking them up.
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So maybe that's why he said that. Question. Was he
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trying to take more of the responsibility, Noel? I guess? So?
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Question would that be all right? Is it true that
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if the count is not done and the round sheet,
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which is filled out after thirty minutes, also cannot be
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completed from twelve thirty am to six thirty three am.
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That's not actually my question from twelve thirty AM to
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six thirty none of the rounds orccounts were completed. Correct, Noel? Correct?
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Question all right? And is it true that at the
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end of the shift the supervising lieutenant signs and sends
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the completed blog of the inmate movements from the day.
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Do you know if that's true? Noel. I don't know
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that they signed, but they signed something. I don't know
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if that's it. Question do they sign, for like instance,
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the round sheets? Do the lieutenant sign that? Noel, Yes,
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they signed that question, But they don't sign the count slips?
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Do they? Noel know? Question? Just the round sheets? Noel? Yes?
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What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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back in to the Toeve and Owel interview with the
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olig inspectors. Question. Okay, what's your belief or understanding of
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how Epstein died? Noel, he hung himself. Question, So you
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believe he was dead upon Thomas entering into the cell. Noel,
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I don't know, because I just assumed that he hung
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himself because I read the indiscernible. Question. So you believe
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Epstein took his own life, Noel Yeah. Question. Did someone
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else take Epstein's life? Noel know. Question. Did anyone assist
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Ebstein with taking his life? Noel no question. Did Thomas
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take Epstein's life? Noel know. Question. Did Thomas assist Epstein
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with taking his life? Noel no question? Did you assist
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Ebstein with taking his life? Noel, no question. Did you
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take Epstein's life? Noel, no question. Did you have any
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part in Epstein's death? Noel no question. Prior to Epstein dying,
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did you have any communications, verbal, electronic, handwritten, or otherwise
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with anyone BOP staff member or otherwise about the safety
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and well being of Epstein? Noel no question. All right,
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do you need me to that was pretty long? Did
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you catch everything that I just asked there? Noel, Yeah. Question,
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this is going to be another long one. Prior to
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Epstein dying, did you have any communications verbal, electronic, handwritten,
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or otherwise with anyone BOP staff members or otherwise. And
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when I say otherwise, I mean like civilians, inmates, you know,
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anybody on the street Noel Okay. Question about Epstein's death
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or Epstein taking his own life, Noel, no question. Did
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anyone offer you anything such as something of value or
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favors with regard to harming Epstein or taking his life? Noel,
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no question. Did anyone ever threaten you in exchange for
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harming Epstein or taking Epstein's life? Noel? Know? Question? Do
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you know anyone else that those questions would have applied to? Noel?
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No question. Do you know of anyone else being offered
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anything to hurt Epstein or taking his life? Noel, no question. No.
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Why wasn't Epstein and his assigned cell on August tenth,
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twenty nineteen, Noel, that was a cell question, It wasn't.
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This is the first you're hearing of that, Noel. Yeah. Question,
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So he wasn't in his assigned cell? Noel? What? I
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never knew that question, But it kind of doesn't surprise
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me because you said that you didn't even know who
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was in that in what cell? You just look to
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see if people. So Epstein assigned to the cell across
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the hall. He wasn't even in the cell that he
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was actually assigned to. Noel. Wait, you said across the hall,
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so like not in the shoe redacted, same tier. But
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you know they do inmates, cell locations or rotate Noel,
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no question. So you do not know that inmates are
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moved from different cells. Noel. Yeah, I know that they move.
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You said, if I know how they do that? I
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don't know that question. Do you know how often? Noel?
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Often they do that? I'm not sure. Question. Are you
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responsible for reviewing as your assignment duties and responsibilities within
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the shoe or verifying that the inmates are in the
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cells that they're assigned to? Noel, I don't know if
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I'm responsible for but there is Their ID cards are
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on the door. Question. Was Epstein's ID card on his door? Noel, No,
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not all of them. Question Okay, was there anything else
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on the door? Noel? No. Was there anything on the
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door that said something about him being required to have
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a cell mate Noel. No. Question. So you don't know
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anything about him not being in his assigned cell? Noel,
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I never knew that. Question. Okay, So this is the
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first time you're hearing about it ever since the incident. Noel. Right,
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So you said he was assigned to the cell across
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from him because that had people in it. Question. Yeah,
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because of cell rotations. It doesn't mean that Noel cuts
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them off. Oh okay, he continues, I think as far
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as you were concerned he was in that cell, you
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didn't move them to a different one. But administratively he
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was in a different cell, and he was moved and
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the assignment didn't follow him. Noel oh okay. Questions On paper,
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he was supposed to be in one cell, In reality
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he was in another Noel okay. Question. So if you
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look in the system and you find out, hey, where
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was Epstein supposed to be? He was supposed to be
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over here from the paperwork in the book, Noel oh okay. Question,
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he was physically located over here? Noel okay. Question did
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you ever have any dealings with that? Noel, I never
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even knew that question? So is this the one that
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he was actually in? Answer? Yeah, question so he was
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in cell to twenty. He was assigned to sell two
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six Noel, uh huh. Question. But that's not something you
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dealt with, Noel. No question. Did you ever deal with
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rotating the inmates into different cells? Noel, no question? Do
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you know who deals with that? Noel? No question? Did
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you ever see them get rotated? Noel? On the eight
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to four question, That's what I'm asking. I'm not saying
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just for Epstein, I'm saying like, in general, have you
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ever witnessed inmates being rotated to different cells? Noel? One time? Question?
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One time? And how is that? How does that play out? Noel?
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I think redacted the day when I saw it where
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redacted was doing it, like, I don't know. They told
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them to pack up, They pack up the stuff, two
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people move them, and they go to the cell that
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they're supposed to go to. Question And then do you
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know what they're supposed to do at that point in
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order to make sure the paperwork follows them to that cell? Noel,
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I don't know about the paperwork. Question. Do you know
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who is responsible for that? Noel? No question? Would it
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be the lieutenant in your opinion? Or you just don't know? Noel,
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I just don't know. Question Okay, And is that anything
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you've ever dealt with as far as like training or
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that you recall? Noel? The cell rotation, no question. Do
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you know if it's supposed to be every certain amount
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of days? Noel. I know it's supposed to be every
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certain amount of days, but I don't know. Do you
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remember Epstein ever being assigned to sell two O six Noel,
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I don't know where to sell two O six? Is
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there's one that's across from where he was at question.
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They're both on El tier. So I'm just assuming Noel,
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Oh question, because there's the paperwork that shows that's not
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even the number. Noel. Yeah, the number is not on here.
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I don't know what cell is two six. She gets
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cut off. So when you're in the shoe in July
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and August, when he was when Epstein was assigned to
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the shoe, do you recall him ever being in a
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different cell than the cell you found him in or
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Thomas found him in on August tenth. Noel, Yeah, he
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was downstairs. Question downstairs Noel on I think md here
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with Tartaglioni because that was his cell mate. Question all right,
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So what about on Eltier? You ever remember him being
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in a different cell up there? Noel, no question, No Noel,
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no question. All right. So the Tartaglioni incident happened on
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July the twenty third. He comes back on July thirtieth.
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From your recollection, he came back and he was with Reyes.
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He was always in that same cell, Noel, and in
22:43
that indiscernible cell. Yes, question all right, So maybe he
22:46
wasn't rotated, but on paper it was rotated Noel. Maybe.
22:51
Question but you don't know anything about it? Noel, I
22:54
don't know anything. No question. Okay, but do you know
22:58
what BOP database tracks that? Noel, No question. Why were
23:02
there pill bottles found on the top blank of Epstein's cell? Noel,
23:05
I don't know. Question do you know anything about like
23:09
medication or what was found in there? Noel, no question.
23:13
Do you have any idea what was even? Did you
23:16
ever go in Epstein's cell prior to this incident? Noel,
23:19
no question. Do you know if Epstein was authorized to
23:22
have pills in his cell on the shoe? Noel, I
23:26
don't know. Question do you know if that's like abnormal
23:29
or if inmates are allowed to have medication in the shoe? Noel,
23:33
no question. They're not allowed to, Noel, they're not allowed.
23:37
Question even if it's prescription medication, Noel, I don't know.
23:41
Question do you ever provide inmates prescription medication when you're
23:45
working in the shoe? Noel, No the nurse does. Question
23:50
the nurse comes around. Noel. Yeah. Question So is that
23:53
surprising to hear that there were medications in his cell? Noel, yes.
23:59
Question and you knew nothing about that being in there, Noel.
24:02
No question is it SHEE policy for things like medication?
24:07
Is it different than the other housing units? Noel, Yeah,
24:11
because I think like on housing units they can have
24:14
prescription medication in their cell. Question Okay, Noel, but in
24:18
the shoe they can't. Question And do you know that
24:24
to be a fact or is that just your belief? Noel,
24:28
I don't know it to be a fact. Question Okay.
24:30
Do you know if any other inmate in the shoe
24:33
are allowed to have medication in their cell? Noel, I
24:35
don't know. Question How many changes of clothing and linen's
24:39
are inmates allowed to have in the shoe? Noel, I
24:42
think one. Question it's supposed to be a one for
24:45
one exchange. Noel. Yes. Question for both linens and clothing, Noel.
24:51
For linen, I'm not sure with clothing. Question Okay, why
24:55
did Epstein have extra clothing and extra linen in his cell? Noel,
24:58
I don't know. Question you don't know, but you said
25:02
that was something that you did though, as far as
25:04
your duties is to be able to provide people with
25:08
linen and clothing, Noel. I never gave out linen ever,
25:12
because that's done on the shift prior question what shift
25:15
is that? Noel? Eight to four? Question and did you
25:19
ever work the eight to four shift? Noel, Yeah, but
25:23
I worked the eight to four when I come in
25:25
to do overtime before, but it's not always in the shoe.
25:28
Question okay, so have you ever worked eight to four
25:31
in the shoe? Noel? I think I have question? And
25:34
do you remember doing or giving the linens? Noel? I
25:38
never gave linens. Question you never gave linens? Noel? Never
25:42
question what about the clothing? Noel, Nope. Never question when
25:47
is that done? Noel? I give toilet paper? Say that again?
25:51
Question when is the clothing done? Noel? I don't know.
25:55
Question no. And did you ever provide Epstein with additional
25:58
clothing or linens? Noel? Never question do you know of
26:03
anyone that has Noel? No question you ever you never
26:06
witnessed anyone provide him with anything extra? Noel? No question.
26:11
Do you know if providing inmates with extra clothing and
26:14
Lenin's is a security risk? Noel, I don't know. Question no.
26:19
If you saw that an inmate had extra clothing or Linin's,
26:22
would you do anything about it? Noel? I mean I'd
26:25
ask question who would you ask Noel, the officer I'm
26:29
working with. Question and did you ever have to do that? Noel?
26:32
No question. So you never witnessed anybody, Noel, because I
26:37
never saw it. No question. Okay. And when you're looking
26:41
in doing your accounts, in your rounds, are you looking
26:44
for things like that? Noel, not really. Question, You're just
26:47
looking for the person. You're not looking to see what's
26:50
going on in their cell. Noel. Correct. Sometimes they don't
26:53
even let you see their cell. They're like standing in
26:55
the window blocking the window. Question. But it's your understanding
26:59
though it's supposed to be a one for one exchange. Noel. Yes,
27:03
all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
27:05
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
27:07
pick up where we left off. All the information that
27:10
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
27:14
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
27:17
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back
27:20
in to the Tova Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question,
27:26
do you know what material was used to take Epstein's
27:29
life in August of twenty nineteen, Noel, I don't know. Question,
27:34
do you know if Epstein was given any special privileges
27:37
to have extra clothing. Noel, I don't know. Question if
27:41
he was, do you know who would provide that? Noel,
27:44
I don't know. Question do you know if there was
27:47
anything else that was in Epstein's cell that should not
27:50
have been there? Noel, only the c PAT machine? Question? Okay,
27:55
tell me about cell searches. What are the requirements for
27:58
when you said your typical shit? Is I guess the
28:01
afternoon shift, right? Or do you call it evening? I guess? Noel? Yeah.
28:06
Question is that the four to ten Noel for to midnight?
28:11
Redacted for to midnight? Sorry? What are the cell search
28:15
requirements during that shift? Noel, I don't know. Question did
28:19
you ever read the post orders with regard to that? Noel,
28:22
no question. But they're in the shoe, you just didn't
28:25
read them, Noel. Right. Question have you ever heard during
28:29
your shift that you're supposed to conduct five cell searches? Noel?
28:32
No question? Random cell searches? Noel, No question. Did you
28:37
ever witness anybody conducting cell searches when you were working
28:41
in the shoe? Noel, no question. No do you know
28:45
if any cell searches were conducted? On August ninth or
28:48
August tenth, Noel, No question. Do you know what a
28:51
cell search is? Noel? When you go in there and
28:57
search their cell? Question? Right of an inmate? And you
29:00
never observed that in the shoe Noel, no question. Did
29:04
they ever teach you that during training that you're supposed
29:07
to do that? Noel, I don't recall. Question, You don't recall.
29:12
It's just something that you've never witnessed, Noel. Never never
29:15
saw it. Question even when you were working that like
29:19
earlier shift, you know, when you're doing your OT or
29:22
your regular shift, never once witness the cell search? Noel.
29:26
Never question. And do you know of things that you
29:29
do know in there? Would any of that be considered
29:32
contraband that was in there? Now that you know that
29:35
medication was in there, the CPAT machine, or the extra
29:39
linens or the extra clothing Noel in his cell question?
29:44
Uh huh, Noel, no question. Do you want to show
29:47
her some of the pictures just so she can get,
29:50
you know, know what we're talking about here? So is
29:52
this El tier as we're referring to, and is this
29:55
the outer gate that you were standing at that you
29:58
were talking about. Noel? Oh, yes, question. All right, and
30:02
then when you say that you're standing at the lower
30:04
part of the steps, is it about right there that
30:07
you were standing? Noel, I was standing over here. Question
30:11
over there? Do you have a pen? Do you just
30:15
mind marking it? So that's where you were standing, all right?
30:18
And in that picture can you see where Epstein was
30:21
Noel from down here? Question? No, No, I'm sorry, I'm
30:26
assuming Noel. Oh no, no, because he's on his side
30:30
she cuts him off. Question right, so we can see
30:33
part of the two when it's crossed. But does this
30:36
look like Epstein's door? Noel, this is the first door
30:39
on the right. Yeah. Question. And from what you can
30:43
see from where you were standing, did that look like
30:47
what you saw? Noel, I didn't see all of this.
30:50
I saw like here because I'm on the door. So
30:53
he's doing CPR like here, So I didn't see all that.
30:56
Question all right, So you couldn't see all the extra
30:59
clothing and Lenny right there, Noel? No question. Does that
31:03
look like a lot of clothing and Lenen to you? Noel? Yeah. Question,
31:08
here's a couple extra pictures of some different like advantage points.
31:12
Does that at all look like extra clothing to you? Noel. Yes,
31:17
and there's the machine right here. Question, that's the seapap
31:21
machine seapap Noel. Yeah. Question okay, again, though you don't
31:25
know what he actually hung himself with Noel, I don't know.
31:29
Question is this the way that he would usually lay
31:32
on his bed? Noel? Yeah? Question was was he the
31:36
top bunk guy? And do you know where Rees would
31:39
usually sleep? Noel? I don't know because he's always on
31:44
the floor. Question Okay, but I see that the top
31:46
one doesn't actually have it. It doesn't look like it
31:49
has a mattress. So do you know if res would
31:52
sleep right next to him? Noel, I don't know. Question
31:55
you don't. Did you ever check in on them when
31:58
you were or was that the first night you said
32:01
he gets cut off by Noel? That was it? Question?
32:04
So did you ever observe him in a sleep state before, Noel,
32:08
because he's never really there, Epstein questioned, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
32:13
I'm saying during sleeping hours. Did you ever see Epstein
32:16
prior to this instance, prior to August ninth? Have you
32:19
ever seen Epstein sleeping in his cell? Noel? When he
32:23
comes back, he lays there on the floor on the mattress,
32:26
on the floor. Question, So when you would observe that,
32:30
would you see where Reus was prior to this incident? Noel, Oh,
32:33
rees be up. So I never seen like Reus or
32:36
where Reus is like Reys is always up? Question? Is
32:41
there only one bunk in the room? Noel? It was
32:44
these two? Question? Yeah, so the one bump bed Noel. Yeah.
32:48
One question. So I'm assuming if he's sleeping on the floor,
32:52
then Reyes would be sleeping next to him. Noel. There,
32:56
but I don't know if this was because Reyes wasn't there,
32:59
or he could have been on top. I don't know. Question. Okay,
33:02
So if this is where Thomas took him off, is
33:05
that what you couldn't see from the door from that
33:08
vantage point? Noel, Yeah, I can't see that. Question. You
33:12
couldn't see that? Okay. So did you ever notice that
33:15
type of medication in there before? Noel? No question. And
33:19
that's something you believe that shouldn't have been in there though, Noel. Yeah.
33:23
Question does anything here look out of the ordinary to you? Noel?
33:27
What's in the indiscernible right here? Question? I don't know.
33:31
I'm asking you. Does any of that look like it's
33:33
out of the ordinary to you. Noel, Yeah, there's a couple.
33:38
Whatever's in the bag? Question? Okay, but you never went
33:41
in there. You never saw any of this, Noel, No question.
33:45
And cell searches were never conducted, so no one even
33:49
went in ever to check to see what was in
33:51
those cells. Noel. Correct question. Here's three additional pictures if
33:57
you want to look. Does any of this stuff look
33:59
abnormal to you? Noel? All these question everything looks abnormal, Noel.
34:04
The medication question the medication and it was never discussed
34:08
with anyone about cell searches ever. In the three you
34:12
know two and a half months that you were in there, Noel.
34:14
That indiscernible in there? Question okay. And did you ever
34:18
get to see what it was that Epstein used to
34:21
use to hang himself Noel, no question. Rather than have
34:25
you do all those individual I'm going to just separate this.
34:29
If it's okay with you, your attorneys, just have her
34:32
do the top one, unless you prefer Foyd. No, that's fine.
34:36
Initial that one question here, keep these away from that redacted,
34:41
Just keep everything next to her anyway. Question did you
34:47
ever see Epstein interact with other inmates? Noel, He's never there.
34:52
No question. Did you ever see him interact with the
34:54
cellmates Noel, No question. You said, but the last time
34:58
you interacted with them was just the one raising of
35:02
the hand, Noel. Yeah. Question. Was it surprising for you
35:07
to notice that there was no cell mate in there
35:09
with them? Noel, No question. So did it even cross
35:13
your mind that there was always a cell mate with
35:15
them prior to that time? Noel, No question. Did you
35:19
ever were you ever told that Reyes was removed from
35:22
the institution Noel, no question. And that it's something being
35:28
that the high profile nature that he's like, is that
35:31
something that you would notice though, that, like, hey, this
35:34
guy usually has a cell mate. He's not in there
35:36
right now, where is he? Noel, No question. Did it
35:40
even cross your mind? Noel, No question, didn't cross your mind.
35:46
You're just looking at the people in there, and you're
35:48
not worried about who is in there. The people in
35:50
there are alive, that's all you're worried about. Noel. Yeah. Question.
35:55
Did Epstein ever complain about anything, Noel, not to me. Question.
35:59
Do you know if he complained about anything to anybody else? Noel.
36:03
Just the time that he asked for the mattress, the
36:05
extra mattress, question that was a request though, Noel, Yeah.
36:10
Question was it a complaint? Did he say anything along
36:14
with asking for an extra one? Noel? Well, how it
36:17
was relayed that he was complaining that he needed another mattress.
36:22
Question Okay, Noel, I don't know if you want to
36:25
take that as a complaint. Question. Did you ever hear
36:27
him complaining about other inmates? Noel, no question. No never
36:32
complained about being in the shoe versus somewhere else Noel,
36:35
no question. So no complaints other than the mattress Noel,
36:40
no question. Do you know if there were any threats
36:43
made to Epstein? Noel, I don't know. Question do you
36:46
know at the time did you know why Epstein was
36:49
in prison? You said you did some internet searches or
36:52
you saw some things. He gets cut off by Noel
36:56
right after the fact, but initially, no question. Didn't you
36:59
say that there were things that would populate on the computer? Noel. Yeah,
37:03
that's what I said after when he initially first came
37:06
in there, No I didn't know. Question I mean prior
37:09
to August ninth or tenth, Noel, Oh, yeah. Question yeah,
37:13
And did you have any specific feelings with regard to
37:16
why you was in prison, Noel. Notion, did you ever
37:20
speak about Epstein with other inmates? Noel, no question? In
37:24
your opinion, when the medical emergency was discovered, did you
37:28
and Thomas act appropriately per BOP policy now that you've
37:32
had time to reflect on it, Noel. I know now
37:36
that there's a medical emergency, you're not supposed to enter
37:38
the cell until everybody gets there, So that would be
37:41
the only thing that I would say, like that wasn't
37:43
done correctly. But as far as everything else, question now,
37:47
was that per Thomas? Noel what I'm saying or she
37:51
gets cut off? Yeah? Question. So the one thing that
37:54
you know that was incorrect was about what you did.
37:57
Was there anything else that you did that was correct? Noel?
38:01
If it was, I don't know? Question No, No, I'm
38:04
asking Noel. Oh now, question, it's a genuine question. It's
38:09
not a trick question. So you're not aware of not
38:12
doing anything Noel. No question. All right, But you knew
38:16
that Thomas went into the cell before he was supposed
38:19
to Noel. Yeah. Question he was supposed to actually wait
38:22
for someone to come and respond Noel. Yes. Question and
38:26
why is that? Noel? Why did he go in question? No?
38:30
Why does he need to wait for somebody to respond. Noel, Oh,
38:34
I don't know. That's the rule. I guess. Question okay,
38:37
and by standing outside the gate, he still wouldn't be
38:40
allowed to go into the room, Noel. Who me? Question?
38:43
So even the way you did? Noel, Oh, because I
38:46
was there. No From what I understand, you're supposed to
38:49
wait until people come and then you go in. Question Okay,
38:53
And how did you learn that? Noel? After? That's what
38:57
I heard them saying. Question. And and that's what people
39:00
were telling you on August tenth, Noel, Yeah, not telling me,
39:05
but just conversation like after question, What conversation did you
39:09
have with people after? Noel? I didn't have no conversations.
39:13
I just heard them saying Thomas should never have went
39:16
in there by himself. I don't even remember who said it,
39:19
but somebody that was in the shoe redacted. Question Did
39:23
anybody say anything about your reactions? Noel? No question. No.
39:28
Do you know if he needed to just wait for
39:31
one person or a bunch of people? How does that?
39:33
What did you hear with regard to that, Noel, I
39:36
didn't hear nothing else. Question when I said you I
39:39
mean Thomas, Noel Oh, I don't know. Question. Do you
39:43
believe that Thomas acted appropriately being that you were there
39:47
and you observed it, Noel, what the stuff that he did? Yes?
39:52
Question Yeah. Do you think that he should have waited
39:54
for someone or do you think it's like there was
39:56
a medical emergency? Noel cuts them off. I think it
39:59
was a medical emergency and he was just trying to
40:02
get to help him redacted. All right, And did you
40:05
and Thomas know that Epstein was the only person in
40:08
the cell then or did you not know if Reyes
40:10
was in there or not? Noel, when I counted, I
40:13
knew that he was in there by himself. Question Okay,
40:16
just for background, I believe the reason why you're supposed
40:18
to wait is in case it's a ruse and someone
40:21
wants to trick you to get in and then you
40:24
the other person, overpowers them, and now he gets cut
40:28
off by Noel. Right. Question, So that's my point. Do
40:32
you know if Thomas was aware if anyone else was
40:34
in there? Answer? I don't know. Question you don't know.
40:38
Not something you discussed with Thomas though, Noel. No. All right, folks,
40:43
we're gonna wrap up right here and then the next
40:46
episode dealing with the topic. We're gonna pick up where
40:48
we left off. All the information that goes with this
40:51
episode can be found in the description box.