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Patriots Catch-22 5/7: Resetting the Offense, Rookie Minicamp Preview, Edelman to Pats HOF · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 2: Bazar from Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always
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  Speaker 2: buy ours bar cap. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex
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  Speaker 2: bars I posted this on Twitter, like red on red
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  Speaker 2: red jerseys on a red field, Like come on Eastern Washington, Like,
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  Speaker 2: oh I love the red No, no, that's not love
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  Speaker 2: the red field. Okay, but you can't wear red jerseys
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  Speaker 2: on a red can Have you ever seen the thing
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  Speaker 2: with Boise State where the guy lies down on the field.
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  Speaker 1: On the kicker that should be It's a whole field
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  Speaker 1: of nag back and I don't want to see colored
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  Speaker 1: fields in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: This organization did that back in the day, there would
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  Speaker 2: be a Supreme Court hearing of the pack. The Jets
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  Speaker 2: can do it. There's not smart enough to hello. Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Patriots Catch twenty two. Evan Lazar, Alex Bart
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  Speaker 2: Bart The tent pole events of the offseason are over.
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  Speaker 2: The free agency, the draft, all in the rearview mirror.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a good time to take a step back,
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  Speaker 2: go little bird's eye view roster reset style. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: do that today resetting the offense, and then next week
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  Speaker 2: we'll do the defense. Do you have rookie Mini caamp
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  Speaker 2: coming up this weekend? Hopefully we'll get out there and
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  Speaker 2: be able to see some of those practices as well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe one of those practices at least, so we'll have
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  Speaker 2: that for you to a little preview for you as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to open the show with some news
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  Speaker 2: about Julie Edelman going into the Patriots Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 2: and George Pickens got traded, which I'm sure people are
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  Speaker 2: gonna want to talk about. Don't forget we have rookie
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  Speaker 2: numbers too. We have rookie numbers. And today we'll definitely
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  Speaker 2: open up the phone lines and the emails to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: I know we didn't do that last week because there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot to get to, but this week we'll
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  Speaker 2: definitely have you guys on the phones and everything as well.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the agenda for today's show. The Fred Paul
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  Speaker 2: and Matt Smith got me all fired up before the
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  Speaker 2: show today, Alex, just for you about the Celtics of course,
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  Speaker 2: what else, you know, nothing really gets me fired up
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  Speaker 2: these days besides defending defending the.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have a logical conversation about that game. You
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  Speaker 1: really can't.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't even just about that game. This is not
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  Speaker 2: a Celtics show, and I know some people get mad
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  Speaker 2: when we talk about other sports, but I'm trying not
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  Speaker 2: to let that spill over into this show too much.
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  Speaker 2: Because they were they were too riled up.
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  Speaker 1: You know that that you can get riled up talking
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  Speaker 1: to me, So careful nice.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, they are coming at my boy Jason Tatum. You
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  Speaker 2: know I will. We'll go go to the grave defending
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  Speaker 2: Jason Tatum if I have to. So, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: we we were getting into it a little bit. But
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  Speaker 2: there might be a football adjacent converse station. That's uh
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  Speaker 2: that that you know, a philosophical conversation there is between
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  Speaker 2: you and I with with the Celtics. So maybe we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into that in the second hour and make it
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  Speaker 2: football related. We're not you know, we won't get too
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  Speaker 2: much into the Celtics, but uh, support the home team.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're off and running. Uh. Do you want
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  Speaker 2: to start with news, And obviously the biggest news of
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  Speaker 2: the week. It's is a slower week in terms of
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  Speaker 2: personnel moves and all that kind of stuff. Like I mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: it's called kind of in the rearview. But the big
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  Speaker 2: news this week Julian Edelman going into the Patriots Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame UH officially announced on Monday, UH edging out
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  Speaker 2: Adam Vinteri and Logan Mankins as the finalists. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a couple of points, you know, to talk about with this. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: there's giving Edelman his flowers. And I want to say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I said when the finalists came out that
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  Speaker 2: I would vouch for Vinitary. I did vouch for Vinitary. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But what that being said, there's no arguments about Edelman
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  Speaker 2: going in either, Like it's not like it's like we're
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  Speaker 2: saying that Edelman shouldn't be. It's tough.
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  Speaker 1: They both deserve to be first ballot and only one
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  Speaker 1: could get in at once.
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly, And so no one is arguing whatsoever that
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  Speaker 2: Edelman should not be in Patriots Hall of Fame. He
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  Speaker 2: is a slam dunk hundred percent Patriots Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: But I think what complicated things, Just to kind of
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  Speaker 2: peel back the curtain a little bit, was last year
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  Speaker 2: was technically Adam Vinitari's first year of eligibility. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: but they put Tom Brady in and bypass the voting process,
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  Speaker 2: which is totally understandable. But last year would have been
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  Speaker 2: Vinitari's first year, then this year would have been Edelman's
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  Speaker 2: first year, and the next year would be gronk'x first year,
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  Speaker 2: and they all probably would have gone in first ballot Edelman,
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  Speaker 2: Gronk Brady pushed Vinitarian Edelman into the same class, so
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  Speaker 2: to speak. And so now you have you created a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a log jam here. So it's disappointing
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  Speaker 2: that it's gonna take Vinitaria some time, because I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he's gonna get it next year either, because I
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  Speaker 2: think Gronk will will be first ballot just like Edelman.
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  Speaker 2: So you might take Vinitaria sometime. But other than that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just what were your thoughts on Edelman getting
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  Speaker 2: named first ballot, and you know we can reminisce a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about his career. Yeah, I mean, absolutely deserves it.
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  Speaker 1: Again, some of these fans might be younger, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they know the stories, they've seen the highlights, but they
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  Speaker 1: don't have that that connection connection with Vinetaria. They certainly
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  Speaker 1: do with Edelman because he's not just a player that
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  Speaker 1: was a good player, and I mean he obviously was.
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  Speaker 1: He's top three, top five, and just about every major
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  Speaker 1: receiving category for the Patriots for in terms of franchise records.
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  Speaker 1: You talk about a big game player, you talk about
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's stepped up in big games in big
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  Speaker 1: moments time and time again. If we're gonna reminisce Evan,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Edelman's biggest moments. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about the hit he took from Cam Chancellor in Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl forty nine in the yards after the catch there
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  Speaker 1: him catching the big touchdown. I think it was later
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  Speaker 1: on that drive, right or the next drive, whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely again, we're gonna right, We're gonna talk about the
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  Speaker 1: fingertip catch in Super Bowl fifty one. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about the double pass against the Ravens. I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about this now for thirty forty five seconds. I just
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  Speaker 1: listed four or five things and I didn't even get
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  Speaker 1: to his Super Bowl MVP. That's how unbelievable. This guy
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  Speaker 1: was in the big moments. So that is to me
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  Speaker 1: what puts him over the top, not just the production.
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  Speaker 1: The production is obviously unbelievable, and the production the dependability,
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  Speaker 1: the reliability, the consistency. But there have been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of reliable, consistent receivers that have come through here. What
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  Speaker 1: makes Julian Edelman different is his ability to come up
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  Speaker 1: in the big moment. And some people will look at
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  Speaker 1: this and say, well, should Wes Welker get in? He
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  Speaker 1: had better numbers across the board than Edelman did. But
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  Speaker 1: if you start talking about putting Wes Welker in the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Hall of Fame or the NFL Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 1: for that matter, what's the first thing A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are going to bring up the drop right Edelman
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  Speaker 1: time and time again in the big moment, and you
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  Speaker 1: just don't. I feel like it was underrated throughout his career.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't talked about enough throughout his career, not just that
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  Speaker 1: he was a good player, but his ability to constantly
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  Speaker 1: show up when Brady needed him and when the team
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  Speaker 1: needed him. You know, the regular season, even the twenty
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  Speaker 1: four point comeback against Denver, that was like one of
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  Speaker 1: his first big breakout games. Just a guy that had
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  Speaker 1: a knack for the moment and that that should be
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  Speaker 1: to me, the defining element of Julian Edelden.
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  Speaker 2: Edelman's grid. Look, some of that's Brady too.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously Brady was the one throwing him the ball, but
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  Speaker 1: it is like that that level of clutchness, like he
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  Speaker 1: belonged to that conversation, the most clutch athletes we've seen
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  Speaker 1: in this city.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know the time that we
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  Speaker 2: got to overlap with Brady and Edelman eighteen in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: I remember when Edelman was coming back from the suspension
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  Speaker 2: and Tom Brady talking about getting Edelman back And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it's a suspension or I think the
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  Speaker 2: suspension the injury happened at the same time, right the
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  Speaker 2: ACL injury.
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  Speaker 1: He tours ACL and then he missed that year and
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  Speaker 1: then he got suspended coming back, right, so it must
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  Speaker 1: have missed the beginning of eighteen, So it.
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  Speaker 2: Must have been twenty eighteen then, yeah, Yeah, And Brady
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  Speaker 2: just talked a lot about being able to read his
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  Speaker 2: body language, read his movements off the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 2: and just this comfort level that he had with how
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  Speaker 2: early in the route Edelman was able to get open,
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  Speaker 2: Like not just the fact that he always, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was in the right places, but just how for a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback when you drop back to pass, to have that
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  Speaker 2: comfort or that feeling knowing that this receiver can separate
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  Speaker 2: quickly is just such a a feeling of just like
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  Speaker 2: calmness for a QB that you have a guy like that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Edelman was not a down the field, you know, vertical
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  Speaker 2: explosive type of guy. It was the quickness and the
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  Speaker 2: play strength and the toughness and the reliability that made
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  Speaker 2: him stand out. But I remember Brady talking about just
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  Speaker 2: having this feel and this inate ability with Edelman to understand, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if he puts his weight on his foot like this,
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  Speaker 2: he's probably gonna break this way, or if his hips
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  Speaker 2: are moving that way, he's probably setting this up to
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  Speaker 2: go in the other direction. And so many of the
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  Speaker 2: routes that he ran had options on them, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: had multiple branches of him breaking and whatever way he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to break and all that kind of stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: that from a football standpoint, But you mentioned it a
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  Speaker 2: second ago about the connection with the fan base, and
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  Speaker 2: I think above all else. That is probably why Julian
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  Speaker 2: Edelman is a first ballot Patriots Hall of Famer and
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  Speaker 2: why he got in before Vin Terry is that he
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  Speaker 2: has really ingrained himself in Foxborough. You know, the Foxborough
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  Speaker 2: for everything is maybe a little corny, but it is
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  Speaker 2: what he really exemplified that played for one team, the
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  Speaker 2: Pats for Tampa, didn't go to Tampa when he had
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to. Was a seventh round pick who converted quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: We all know the story underdog story. I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: flash right away, like wasn't like an instant contributor, had
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  Speaker 2: to kind of earn his role and play his way
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  Speaker 2: onto the offense.
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  Speaker 1: I remember he almost left because it took him like
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  Speaker 1: four or five years to really get involved. And he
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  Speaker 1: was the Giants, right and he thought he was going
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  Speaker 1: to leave.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at also the they signed Amadola
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  Speaker 2: when Welker leaves, and a lot of people thought Amandola
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  Speaker 2: was going to be the next guy, and Edelman really
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  Speaker 2: was the one that was the one a to that
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  Speaker 2: you know with a Mondola as well. So all those
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  Speaker 2: types of things are the competitiveness and and just the
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  Speaker 2: the underdog story. We love that around here, Oh we
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  Speaker 2: just do right, And and Brady's in his own category,
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  Speaker 2: but he's similarly as an underdog story as a sixth
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  Speaker 2: round pick, and Edelman is seventh round pick. Like these
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  Speaker 2: guys were not. This was not Calvin Johnson and Peyton
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  Speaker 2: Manning coming out of out of college right where their
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  Speaker 2: top five picks in the draft and everybody thought they
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  Speaker 2: were going to be stars. So Edelman earned this like
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  Speaker 2: through and through, like he worked his butt off to
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  Speaker 2: get this, to get to the red jacket status. So
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  Speaker 2: you have to tip your cap to that. And obviously,
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  Speaker 2: you know, post career, he's been very committed to the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots and you know, very much a defender of the
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  Speaker 2: Wall now on his seventeen different podcasts and everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: So he's ingrained himself in Patriot culture. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the things we talked a little bit about yesterday Unfiltered
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like we're we're almost a little bit
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  Speaker 2: uniquely in a spot for this because both you and
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  Speaker 2: I were old enough for the first part of the
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  Speaker 2: dynasty to remember it and to have lived it, but
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  Speaker 2: we weren't. I was eight when they won in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and one, so we weren't old enough to really
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  Speaker 2: understand the game of football like we do now, or
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  Speaker 2: like we did you know, as we got older, but
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  Speaker 2: we still witnessed it. And I think for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people that were born a little bit later than us,
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  Speaker 2: there really isn't a connection to Adam Vinitari. And I
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  Speaker 2: can understand that like the kicker with the white beard
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  Speaker 2: on the Colts, he most likely spent there as some
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  Speaker 2: people that probably only knew Adam Vinitari as truly as
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  Speaker 2: a cult right, that are rooting for the team today.
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  Speaker 2: And when you put him up against a guy like
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  Speaker 2: Edelman and you put him in a fan vote on
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  Speaker 2: social media, this is going to happen because I know
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  Speaker 2: there are people that are unhappy that it didn't go
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  Speaker 2: in ch chronological order and Vinitaria didn't get in before.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said at the top, I would have
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  Speaker 2: voted in Vinitary first and done it in chronological order.
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  Speaker 2: But the reality is is that it's gonna be Edelman
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  Speaker 2: this year, as we know, it's most likely going to
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  Speaker 2: be Gronck next year in twenty six, and then maybe
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  Speaker 2: Vinitary gets over the hump in twenty seven when the
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  Speaker 2: decks clear a little bit for him in twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of Patriots fans that are younger.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of Patriots fans that became Patriots fans
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  Speaker 2: during the dynasty and not necessarily at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: the dynasty in two thousand and one when we remember
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  Speaker 2: all the kicks. But you know, not everybody remembers, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Snow Bowl and or you know, Super Bowl thirty
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  Speaker 2: six or whatever the case may be. But I think
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  Speaker 2: with Edelman, it's the two things you mentioned. You talked
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  Speaker 2: about the clutchnists. That's obviously there. Maybe it's three things.
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  Speaker 2: The clutchness, his connection to Brady I think matters, their friendship,
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  Speaker 2: their relationship on and off the field, I think matters,
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  Speaker 2: And obviously you know, his the fact that he's really
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  Speaker 2: embraced and ingrained himself in Boston sports culture is a
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  Speaker 2: big part of it as well. So props to him,
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  Speaker 2: kudos to him. We still don't know when that ceremony
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  Speaker 2: is going to be. Him and Bill Parcells will we'll
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  Speaker 2: go in on the same day, so we'll have those announcements,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure here shortly or at some point on the horizon,
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  Speaker 2: but we don't know exactly when that's going to be,
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  Speaker 2: but it will be the two of them, and it
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  Speaker 2: will be a cool day. It always is a fun day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it's really two days because you get the
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  Speaker 1: one over the summery he gets inducted and then usually
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  Speaker 1: like they'll do, to use the home opener right the
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  Speaker 1: long room at halftime.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a fun one too.
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  Speaker 1: With Mike Vrabel that ended up being like a franchise
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  Speaker 1: changing moment, that speech he gave at halftime of that game.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Titans loved it, no, but it
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  Speaker 1: worked out. So yeah, no, it'll be it'll be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, All right, let's get into the roster reset
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  Speaker 2: and then well we'll join do the new stuff or
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: did join do that later? Well, well, I'm sure the
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: people will ask us about those things. But if you
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  Speaker 2: want to quickly, you know, we can go quickly on
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  Speaker 2: George Pickens. George Pickens is one of those guys that
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  Speaker 2: kind of irritates me. I'm not gonna lie, not him personally,
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  Speaker 2: but like the George Pickens thing, because this goes back
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  Speaker 2: to the draft, right, this goes back to twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe in twenty twenty two you could make the
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  Speaker 2: case that they could have taken on a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more risk with the character with the player back then
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  Speaker 2: when it was still Bill Belichick and you're coming off
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  Speaker 2: Mac Jones's rookie season, you went to the playoffs, you
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  Speaker 2: had some promising things going in your direction. But the
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: context of George Pickens, when we compare him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to Taekwon Thorton especially, always gets thrown out the door
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  Speaker 2: that there were some major character red flags about George
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  Speaker 2: Pickens coming out of the draft, and also a major
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  Speaker 2: injury red flags too. He really only had one season
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  Speaker 2: at Georgia where he was productive, and he blew his
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  Speaker 2: knee out in the second year that he was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a full time player at Georgia. So he
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  Speaker 2: had injuries, he had character concerns, and this time around
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  Speaker 2: he's been a very productive player in the NFL. He's
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: a good football player. But now it's similarly to the
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  Speaker 2: conversation that we have with Luther Burden, where the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: just don't feel like they're in a position but based
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  Speaker 2: off their actions, I think they agree with us that
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  Speaker 2: they are not in a position to take on these
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  Speaker 2: types of character risks. Yet, like is George Pickens really
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  Speaker 2: the guy that you want to take on, and you're
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: one of this thing with Mike Rabel. The answer seems
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  Speaker 2: to be no across the board, including in the draft. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: My other thing on Pickens, I actually will kind of
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  Speaker 1: nitpick as a player a little bit, Like a big
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  Speaker 1: part of the Josh McDaniels offense is consistency. He's not
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  Speaker 1: a consistent player. He disappears. So he had nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: yards last year, exactly fifty five percent of his production
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  Speaker 1: came in just five games. If you go back the
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  Speaker 1: year before, he had five one hundred yard games. He
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  Speaker 1: also had nine games where he had less than fifty yards.
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  Speaker 1: So he's all over the map in terms of production.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And that's just not what this offense is. This offense
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: is about consistency. The highs are there, but I don't
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: think the consistency's there for him to be a true
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: number one. He's best next to a guy like a
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, where he was in Pittsburgh, next to Seedee Lamb,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: which he will be in.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Dallas.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: The other thing, Yeah, to the character point, you're exactly right,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: especially when he's a talented guy. Let's not mince worries
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: about that he's a talented guy. Yeah, what's the track
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: record of Mike Tomlin moving on from talented wide receivers?
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Did they usually work out when they leave Pittsburgh? No, Yeah,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: that's a good So, like the there's the character thing
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and then there's what this is. Because the Steelers have
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a history of this. They will bring in guys that
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: have character issues and make them work up until a point.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Once it doesn't work anymore, they move on, and generally
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: they move on at the right time. Antonio Brown's obviously
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like the poster child for this, but we've seen it
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: with other players as well, Johnson, Deontay Johnson, sort of
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Chase Claypool that was building anything else.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, if Mike Tomlin.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: And the Steelers are moving on from a receiver, that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: usually a red flag because they know wide receiver talent,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I would argue better than maybe any team in the league. Yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: so I have no problem with them passing on George I.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I honestly didn't have a ton of problem in the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: draft at the time because of his industry injuries. Now,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I would have taken Taekwon Thornton. There
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: but you know, there were other picks to be made,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: but I don't have a problem on them passing on
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: George Pickens.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I really don't. Yeah, And I guess that maybe some
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: of the calculations that go on with player evaluation is
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: knowing when a guy is truly there's a difference between
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: a guy being a diva and a guy being a cancer, right,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and knowing the difference between those, I think is part
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: of vetting players in the personnel process. But there's always
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: a give and take of is this guy really worked
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the risk in terms of the talent? And I think
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the world of Luther Burden, Like he probably is one
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of my favorite receivers, if not my favorite out of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: this past draft, Travis Hunter notwithstanding. But was Luther Burden
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: so good that you just had to do it? Like
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, you know, with a guy
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: like more that was in the league, kind of like
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: George Pickens, like at the time when they made the
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: move for Randy Moss, Like that's Randy Moss, right, Like
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we're talking about one of the greatest wide receivers of
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: all time, if not the greatest wide receiver of all time.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: That that one is. Yeah, at year, what six or
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: seven of this thing with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Uh,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and the culture is completely established and the foundation of
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the of the program is completely established. Like that's when
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you go ahead and you take those swings, and and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Bill took a million of them, Like Randy Moss is
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the most probably the most successful. You know, Corey Dillon
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: is up there. Rodney Harrison had his own you know issues,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: uh for some people coming to New England. But for
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: all of those, there's also you know, Albert Haynesworth and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and uh, you know Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown, right exactly.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So there's good and bad there, but that at that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: point of your your build is when you start to
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: take on those guys. And George Pickens is not Randy Moss. No,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So I just I understand that if George Pickens goes
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: on to have a really good year in Dallas, or
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: if Luther Burden has a really good year with Caleb
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Williams in Chicago, we're going to get a lot of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: calls and emails and people upset that the Patriots didn't
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: take on these players. But the process to me is
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: it makes sense, Like I am on board with what
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: they're trying to establish here. In two years, if this
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: is still running like a well oiled machine and they
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: want to take on some character risk and the drafter
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and free agency or a trade, go for it. But
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: right now I understand why they want to get the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: good guys in the building first, and the leaders and
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the captain material type players will see what happens.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I will say, if we're gonna look ahead to revisionist history,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I would much rather take the risk with Luther Burden
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: than with George Pickens.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Agreed like that that was the one.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: If you want to talk about where they missed, right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and we'll see how it plays al Kawams and all that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying it now so that if we end
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: up talking about it in three months, people can't say
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that it's revisionist history. I don't mind him passing on Pickens.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that now, and he could put up a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: thousand yards this year. So with Dak Prescott Ceedee Lamb
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: on the other side, it's a different situation.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Than this here.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Burden one is, but if something's going to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: burn them, it's passing on Luther Burton. To me, it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: not because I don't think Trayvon Henderson's a really good player,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I do, but positional value wide receiver, running back all.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: That, it'd be interesting to see if Travon Henderson has
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a really productive year and Luther Burden has a really
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: productive year. Are we just saying, oh, well, all's well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that ends well? Are we saying that we still you know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: They tie break will be Kyle Williams because people will say, well,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: they could have gotten a running back later, and right right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Fair enough? All right? So I think you know, really
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that that's There's not much else going on other than
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that breaking this morning in terms of news around the NFL.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So let's get into roster re said on the offense,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and you know, I have some facilitation style questions for
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: us here, okay, And you know, I'll just go through
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: every position on offense and I'll read out the names
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of the players that are currently on the ninety man
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: roster for the Patriots. So we'll start with quarterback. Not
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a ton to unpack here, obviously, with Drake May and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Joshua Dobbs holding down one two on the depth chart.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any chance then Ben Woolridge,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the reported undrafted free agent signing, and I should mention
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that all the undrafted rookies we talk about it's reportedly
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: right now. We still haven't officially announced. Those should be shortly,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: maybe the next couple of days.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But I would think it's weird we have practice, Yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: on Friday, rookie practice.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think by Friday, Yeah, it should. They should
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: be out soon.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And that's also why the ud face didn't get numbers.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: If anybody's wondering.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Drake made Joshua Dobbs, Ben Woolridge. Right now
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: is the quarterback depth chart? There's really two quick questions
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to me here, or one question and then one just
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: sort of theory of mine that I've been kicking around.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I have thought of mine. The need to carry three quarterbacks.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think when I talk about carry three, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: mean on the fifty three man roster at the end
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: of camp. Really, I don't see any need to carry three.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Last year they carried three because Joe Milton had developmental upside,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: so they held onto him. But when it comes to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Ben Woolridge, I don't think we're going to get into
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that territory. Plus, nowadays, with the extra emergency quarterback, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: can call up the emergencies quarterback from the practice squad.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So if you want to do that, I think you
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: can only do it three times. Yeah, well that's true
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: for any player. But yeah, you could do it three times, right,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So you're not, in my opinion, you're not carrying Ben
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Woolridge on the fifty three just to make him the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: emergency quarterback seventeen straight times. I just I don't think
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that he's going to be good enough to warrant that.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Like if he comes out in camp and as a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: great camp, then sure, I guess, But I don't think
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: he's good enough to warrant that. I think they're keeping
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: two quarterbacks, and that seems to be like the plan
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: all along, hence the Joe Milton trade, you know, all
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: these different things that they've done. So my guess is
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that we'll get to the end of August early September
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: whenever roster cut down days, and it will be May
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and Dobbs and then maybe a guy like wool Ridge
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: stress stashed excuse me, on the practice squad. But I
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: just I don't see any I.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Don't think the emergency third quarterback can come in practice squad.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: When did they change that?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Like last year? Or the year before.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So it was voted and approved last year, and I'm
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: reading it in the NFLPA vetoed the change.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's a change. Maybe I'm wrong. At
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the same time, you're gonna carry You're gonna carry a
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: third quarterback just to make them the emergency qu I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: think so.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are doing that. It
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: might not be Ben Woldridge, they might find somebody else.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna a third quarterback. He might not
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: be one right now, but I think they're not a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: third quarterback.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I just don't see the point of that. Like you're
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: racing a roster spot on a on a on a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: quarterback that's never gonna play like the I think team's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: value that security mine. The dominoes that you have to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: get to to get the quarterback on the field is crazy,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Like both guys have to be like hurt and rolled
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: out of the game for it even to happen. And like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: so you're just gonna take up a roster spot all
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: year long, Like it made sense when Milton was taking
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: up a roster spot because, like I just said, he
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: had developmental upside. I don't see what the upside is
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: from carrying like another journeyman no offense to Joshua Dobbs
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: or you know a guy that like wool reach like
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: an undred rookie. I mean, maybe you end up being right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I just I don't really see that. Along with the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: roster crunch, the other thing that I wanted to talk
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: about with quarterbacks is just what's going on right now
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in the building with Drake May learning josh mcdaniels's offense.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of talk about the verbiage
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and the verbiage change that you know, he's speaking a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: different language than he did his rookie year talking about Drake.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not as worried about the verbiage thing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's May like. It's good. This is the time of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: year to ask questions and to learn language and do
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So he's asked about at
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the podium some people what's the word? Some people interpreted
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: his answers as he was kind of going through it
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit with the verbiage change, or is kind
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of going through the process. I don't necessarily worry too
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: much about that. The one thing that I do have,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: like a small sea concern worry about is they're going
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: back to putting everything on the quarterback pre snap Solas year,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the center took responsibility, the center made on the line
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: calls all those types of things of the line of scrimmage,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: taking that out of the quarterback's hands. So you know
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: really quickly, like what that means is, you know, the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: MIC is what sets the protection or sets the run
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: blocking scheme. That's what's pointing everybody in the direction that
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the offense wants it to go in. The MIC can
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: change a lot of people think the MIC is just
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the middle linebacker on every single play. It's not like
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: if you're sliding or if you're you know, running off
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: tackle or whatever the case may be. Like your MIC
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: point might be different from play to play. It will
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: be different from play to play. So Drake may said
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that it's like like he has he's holding the pin
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: last right before they right before they snap the ball.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: He's gonna hold it last. They like it this way,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it sounds like based off of his answers, they like
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: it this way because they feel like the quarterback has
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the best view rack there. Right. He can see in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the shotgun and he can see blitzes. He can see
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: things coming off the edge that maybe the center can't
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: necessarily see. So I get the the advantages in that respect,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I do worry about putting that on a second year
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: quarterback and expecting Drake May to get to the line
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage and be Tom Brady or Peyton manning and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: calling out blitzes and sniffing out pressure schemes and moving
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: mike points and you know, Rita Linda like all his
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: different types of stuff that they do to slide protections
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: and like all that minutia. I hope that it's not
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: too much, you know, they don't put too much on
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: his plate early. I know Josh McDaniels has talked about
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: in the past, you know, easing young quarterbacks into that,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: easing Mac Jones into it his rookie year, even communicating
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: in the headset. You know, you have until I think
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: it's fifteen seconds right to talk to the quarterback through
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the headset so that they have that ability. It's may.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not like ready to freak out about it or
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: anything like that. Like I said, small sea concern, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: just hearing him talk about all the different things. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: we had Josh Dobbs in here yesterday and he was
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: talking about it. There's a lot on the quarterback. We've
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: heard that in the past. I mean, what are your
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: thoughts on them going back to putting everything on the quarterback.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it because I think
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Drake's up for it. And I think and this is
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: something people were worried about at the time. Oh well,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you look at all Brady had to do and how
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: is May going to do that? Do you really think
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: they're going to, at least to start give him the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: same volume that they gave Brady, Like it's going to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: be a modified version, right, So I don't think he's
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: going to have it. Ideally you build it up to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that in time. But I'm not super worried about it. Yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it's different. It's a change. Anytime there's a change, it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: something that you have to note and.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Pay attention to. But I don't know.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: He's got a good like football IQ, he's got a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: good understanding. He doesn't have to learn it as he's
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: coming into the league. He has that base under him
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of what he learned last year. So yeah, I'm not,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like you said, lower casey concerned.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tied to his coaches when you last year
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: when they drafted U May at North Carolina, and one
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: of the things that they said was about how he
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: underwent a coordinator change from his sophomore year to his
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: junior year. Phil Loongo was his offensive coordinator his sophomore year.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: He's now at Wisconsin. Longo had that was his best
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: year with me, phil Loongo. Now it's worth mentioning. He
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: also had Josh Downs on that UNC offense and he
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: had a little bit more NFL talent around him at
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: North Carolina in twenty two versus in twenty three, so
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: that might have contributed as well. Downs was his go
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to receiver obviously gets drafted by the Colts. Yeah, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: mean they just had a better team. They had a
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: better team, So there's that element of it. But there
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: was a scheme change. There was a philosophical change in
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: terms of a lot of the different things they had
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: him doing, and you know, running the line of scrimmage, footwork,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you know, all that kind of stuff. A lot of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: people felt like that contributed to his footwork regression was
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: going from one style of footwork to another. So it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: something to monitor. I think even concern is even too strong.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's just something to monitor. With all of this going
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: on with Drake Macas. Everybody just wants Drake May to
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: make the year two leap and take that next step,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and we're all hoping for that. But there's a lot
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: going on at the same time. You know, there's a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: lot of new coaching, new verbiage, new style of play,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: new personnel around him. So it's gonna be interesting to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: see how all of this kind of transpires. So those
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: are the two things I have with quarterbacks. Be interested
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to see which one of us is right about the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: third quarterback. I just don't see the point of it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: But maybe maybe they end up carrying three. Maybe it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's somebody gets cut and it's like
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a veteran and yeah, it doesn't have to be somebody
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: on the ross right now, yeah'll be clear. All right,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: let's go to running backs. So running backs is interesting.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Ramandra Stevenson, Antonio Gibson obviously the rookie, Traveon Henderson, Terrell
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Jennings still kicking around, and Lan Laris and everybody's favorite
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: UDFA running back who's suddenly you know, superstar. I mean, scrimmage,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: that's nothing. I'm just teasing. Uh, here's the deal. To me,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: there's a couple of different ways to look at running
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: back right now. Do they keep four? I think that's
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a fair question. Teams are go back and forth with
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: three or four. Obviously, if you have four good running backs,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: then you probably keep all four. But uh, normally I
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: would say three is probably standard across the league.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I think Vrabel generally in Tennessee kept three.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also you know, you still have the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: practice squad to stash you know, Terrell Jennings or even
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Larison if he doesn't get out of control, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: in the preseason and have a huge preseason. So do
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they keep all four, you know, including probably Larison with Stevenson,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Gibson and Henderson or I think the other question is
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is does Larison play well enough where maybe, like a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: guy like Antonio Gibson becomes expendable. I don't think Grimandro
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Stevenson is in that converse of being quote unquote expendable
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: at any point. I think the plan is to have
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Rmandra Stevenson here with Traveon Henderson as sort of a
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: thunder and lightning kind of duo. But maybe Larison Scott
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: also has some pass catching ability, has some of that
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: subpackage run ability receiver out of the backfield, Like could
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: he have a great camp and maybe Gibson becomes like
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a trade piece or something like that at the end
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: of training camp. That would be the only way that
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I could see Gibson and Stevenson both not being here
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: is if somebody like Larison makes a really strong push
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and they end up flipping Gibson for something, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: on roster cutdown day.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't roll it out because Larison has a coverage
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: background in special teams, which I don't believe Gibson does.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can actually pull
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that out.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: He might have played a little bit lare last year,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say that he's like a core special
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: teams guy, Like that's not so.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I think Larison's done both. He's returned and covered kicks.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Uh oh No, Gibson's only plays kick return. He hasn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: played in coverage, so I think Laris and somebody can
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: send down the field to like make play. I compared
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: him last week to Brandon bolden Right, who is a
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: coverage player on special teams as well as a returner.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: If he's gonna give you special teams value and they
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: only want to keep three running backs, and he can
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: be a early down and passing down guy and can
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: fit into either of those roles. I think he absolutely
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: could make a push. And if he does, yeah, it's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Gibson's the guy who's expendable more so than Stevenson. So
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I could see it now. I think there's a possibility
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they keep four as well. This is where you get
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: into the at large roster spots, which you know, I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: love to talk about positional minimums, So that fourth running
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: back is probably competing with We'll get to tight ends, right, ye.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Are they going to keep three tight ends? Are they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: going to keep three tight ends and a fallback? Is
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the full back going to be the third tight end?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Like that might be a competition with the fourth running
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: back or are they going to keep five or six receivers?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: That's what that fourth running back spot's.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Gonna come down to in my mind. Yeah, I'm interested
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to see Larrison because the one concern that I had
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: about him just watching his UC Davis tape, especially against
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: teams like Cal. When he did play teams that were
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: FBS level and maybe a level up, the production was
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: good against Cal like It's not like he had a
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: bad game, but his play speed and just like his
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: ability to separate from packs. You know, like when running
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: backs they get into crowds, and does that running back
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: have the bursts or the energy to get out of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that crowd and really hit into the big open field
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: like a Trevon Henderson camp, right, And I just didn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: necessarily see that gear from him.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Well, but he's not your starting running back, right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But my question is in terms of him making the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: roster and him truly making this interesting, is he going
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to have the dynamic play speed to be able to
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: make yards the same way did in college? Because I
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: think the difference between what I expected and what I
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: ended up seeing with Larison is I Larison to me
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: was actually a better tackle breaker, and he was like
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a space player like he was. He's got pretty good
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: contact balance and ability to avoid tackles. And you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: he broke one runoff against Calgary. He like shrugs off
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: like three or four guys right like that. He ran
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: with a lot of really good power and balance to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: his game, whereas I was expecting like a scat back, right,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: And that's not what he is to me, at least fifteen. Yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he's definitely more of a of a not a power back,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: but like somewhere in between those two things. He's got quickness.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: He just doesn't have great burst or straight line speed
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: or top end speed. So when you get to this level,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you know, is that is he going to be running
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: in a lot of packs, a lot of crowds. Is
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: he going to be bottled up a lot? You know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that's going to be the questions for him. Is is
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: he going to be able to really get out into
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: space and make you know, bigger plays and extend plays
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: with his you know, as a ball carrier, I think
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: there was something there with the quickness. You know, he
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: tested really well in the agilities. You see the jump
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: cut ability, you see the smoothness with his cuts. You
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: see that at the top of the route. You know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: you get him matched up against a linebacker as a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: pass catcher, and he's got the ability to get open.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: But then he's one of those guys that like gets
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: open at the top of the route, catches the ball
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and goes down right Like he's not one of those
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: guys that catches the ball at the top of the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: route on like an angle route or something like that
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and turns like a six yard completion into like a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: twenty yard game. Like that's not this is a guy
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: that was UDFA. Yeah. So but if he's gonna make
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the roster, like that's how he's gonna make it, Like
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna make the roster as a first and
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: second down running back. He's gonna make the roster because
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: he can contribute in the pass game and because he
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: can run in sub package situations. Maybe because he can
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: play on special teams like and all those.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think he can play on early I think he
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: can play on early downs or get played on early downs. So,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: by the way, just comparison for speed here, Yeah, laris
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And didn't run at the combine ran a four four
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: six forty So even if we want to round that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: up pro dain number one, you're gonna four to four
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: six at his pro we can round it up to
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a four five.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think he was anywhere close to four four six.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: But no, like truly, no disrespect, but like he he
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: looks like a four to six guy to me.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Okay even even still, so here's another one that has
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: him at four five seven because for five sounds, see
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: if I can find his RAS card that four or
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: five seven. I think my argument's gonna gonna stand no
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: matter what his The math bomb has him at a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: four five seven, so we'll use that four five seven.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Which again is not the end of the world. Like
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: running back, forty yard dash times for running backs is
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: not overly important. What do you think that? What do
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: you think Brandon Bolden wran?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Probably four to six, four six, six, Yeah. What do
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you think rex Burke had ran?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Not well there were four six one, four seven three. Oh.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was that bad.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm not worried about the top line speed.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I think he can still be the player for that role.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Is he gonna be a big home run hit or no.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: That's why the draft of Trevion Henderson. You want the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: horme run here? Do you put Travon Henderson in the game?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not super it's a fair critique. I just don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be that much of a factor
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: in terms of that's if they're putting him in a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: role where he needs to outrun guys to succeed, that's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: on the coaching staff for putting.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Him in the wrong role. That's fair I I look
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: at his game and I, like I said the other day,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I know he called me lazy for making the rex
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: burg Head comparison, but I still feel like that's accurate.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize rex Burkhead was as big as he was.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: That's why I said that. Yeah, I mean like this,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: this the play style, the side, like the all the
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: measurements like check out to match up with rex Burkhead, uh,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: you know, quicker, not fast, you know, I got all
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: those things.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I will still because I think he has that defensive
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: mentality on the offense side of the ball. I'm still
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: gonna put Brandon Bolden out there. But they're bold and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: rex Burke Att are similar players.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so sure enough. All right, let's go to receivers. Yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: this is a lengthy list, so i'll i'll, we got
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: twelve names here, uh, Stefan Diggs, Matt Collins, Damario Douglas,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Kendrick Bourne, Kai, Shan Boodie, Jalen Polk, jayvon Baker,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: John Giles, e Ft and Chisholm, Demir Blancamozy and Blank Music,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Blank Musy and Jeremiah Webb. So that's twelve names currently
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: at wide receiver. As Paul Perla likes to say, don't
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: mistake a lot of names for having a good receiver room,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: right you bl BLANKEM see, there's a lot of names there.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: A couple of facilitation questions that I jotted down. The
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: consensus seems to be that Stefan Diggs in some capacity,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: whether it's pup or on the roster. Well, this is
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: what makes it tough.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: If we're talking about the fifty three rosters there rosters
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: for this first question, then we'll get to that second part.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: For this first question, let's assume that Stefan Diggs is
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: going to start the week one on the fifty three,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: on the fifty three, Stefan Diggs, MC collins, Pop Douglas,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams. Those feel like the four locks consensus locks
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: yes at this point. So my question, for the sake
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: of facilitation is among this group that I'm about to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: name a four play, who is the safest receiver out
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: of these four Kendrick Bourne, Yeah, Kayshaun Boody Yeah, Jalen Polk,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Javon Baker.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: So if that's the group right, like that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Right in theory, because they're gonna keep five and then
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the questions would they keep six and what happens with you?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: In theory, it should be Jalen Polk just because usually
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: teams give a second round pick the way Rabel Wolf Cowden,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the way they've taken a hatchet to this roster. Yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that holds weight or significant weight.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, but like, I don't think they'd
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: be afraid to move on from a second round pick.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would. So I'm gonna go with
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne with the caveat. So I think it's Kendrick
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Bourne because McDaniel's had a lot of success with him
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. This coaching staff seems to be
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: really big in a familiarity. Who are guys we know
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: we can work with, Who are guys we know?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: What do we want? Bloah whatever, you know. I love
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: this stat.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Before he hit COVID in twenty twenty one, Kendrick Born
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: was on a thousand yard pace.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was on a thousand yard pace
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: in twenty three too, with Bill O'Brien in similar offense.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: So it's really un I think Kendrick Borne is a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: really good player that there's been a series of unfortunate
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: events that they've never been able to tap into his potential.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: But here's the reality of it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: As big of a fan of his as I am,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and I say this all the time, right, Kendrick Bourne,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'll find a spot on my team for that guy
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: any day. He's gonna be thirty years old in August,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and he had a significant nee injury, so two years
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: removed from the ACL that's encouraging. If Bourne is healthy
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and explosive and maybe isn't exactly the player he wasn't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, but is a lot closer to that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: than he was last year, and that knees continue to
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: heal well and he has another gear beyond where he
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: was at last year coming right off that rehab. I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: think it's Kendrick Bourne because again, I think the familiarity
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: with McDaniels that's going to hold a lot of weight
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: if it's not. If Bourne's out there and he just
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: can't move, like the knees not bouncing back, right, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: it's he turned thirty, and I'm not rooting. I hope
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: he's the guy like I wanted to be the guy,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: because I think he has the highest seeling of any
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: of those players. But if like physically, he can't do it,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: then I think it's Kayshaun Booty because you need a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: true X. It's between him and him and Javon Baker.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: He's proven more. I think he has more the mental
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: makeup they're looking for, so that I think it would
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: go to kaisha On Boody. But if he's fully healthy
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: with that, which I acknowledge is a relatively big if,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: if he's fully healthy, it should be Kendrick Borne.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I would say Kendrick Borne as well
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: for all the same reasons. Twenty twenty one really solid
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: year under Josh McDaniels. I think that familiarity, especially in
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: an offense like this that is harder to grasp for
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: wide receivers, it's just gonna give him a nice leg up.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: It's the same offense essentially that he ran in twenty
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: three with Bill O'Brien to and had similar success. So
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: he's got proven commodity or you know, proven proof of
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: concept in O'Brien and in McDaniels' offense. It's very almost
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: like nine to nine percent similar playbooks, and he's done
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: good in both of them, whereas with Jalen Polk and
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Javon Baker Kaisham Boudi to an extent, he's with O'Brien
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: in twenty three, so I guess he had a little
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: bit of a taste of it. Remember he played one
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: weekday knows it, but he was in the program ye
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: at that point. But for all intents and purposes, those
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: guys are young players that are going to be learning
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: a complex offense on the fly here coming up, and
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Kendrick Boren is going to come in and already have
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a really good feel for what they're trying to do. Now,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: what hurts to other than the injury and the explosiveness
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and all those types of things that you talked about,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: what hurts him to me the most is redundancy. And
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I understand that they've gotten into trouble in the past
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: by caring too much about redundancy. But we're not talking
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: about the draft. We're talking about putting together a roster.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And if you're putting together a wide receiver room, the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: ideal wide receiver room to me is like a basketball lineup,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Like you have a one through five. You have a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: point guard all the way up to the center right
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: so you have big guys and small guys, you have
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: different types of skill sets. Kendrick Bourne to me, is
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: like Stefan Diggs is sort of gonna be in a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: similar mold. Ahead of him on the depth chart. You're
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: gonna want to play Kyle Williams, so he's the other
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: similar skill set. Jalen Polk and Kendrick Bourne both have
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: similar skill sets. And Jalen Polk as the younger player,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: year two, first second round pick, rookie contract, like all
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: those different things, right, So if you look at redundancy,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you know there's three or four guys on this roster
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that all plays similarly to Kendrick Bourne. And Kendrick Bourne
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: is the oldest, and he has the most injury history,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and he's the most expensive besides Diggs. So when you
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: add all that up, like it might not be great
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for Kendrick Bourne, but if he plays well enough, I
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: think that ultimately they will just take the most talented
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: five guys.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: They have to keep talent at that position. And I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: think I'm with you on the redundancy thing, but with
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: these guys specifically, it's versatility. They can all line up
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: at all three spots, so it's not. It'd be one
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: thing if you had like three true X receive and
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: that's what they do and that's what they play.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: But like.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: They can all play all three spots, so you can
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: have all of them on the field at the same time.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite as redundant.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I just wonder you know you mentioned with Booty. Booty
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: is a guy that can truly play on the outside. Yeah,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: he might not be the most productive X receiver in
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the league, but he can truly play on the outside
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: at a high volume like he did last year. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if Diggs, Williams or Bourne and certainly not
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Pop or any of those guys are truly going to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: be playing five hundred snaps at the X like Khan
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Boody could. So that means that if you put that
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: group together, somebody's playing on the outside that's probably best
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: used in a different role, you know, whether that's Digs
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: or it's Kyle Williams, one of those guys is going
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to have to play on the outside, or it's mc
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: collins that's playing a high volume on the outside. Just
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: as like I like to say, the sacrificial X role, right,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: like just just to be out there, so maybe that
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: they're comfortable with that booty I find fascinating in this
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: room because he probably has the most trade value out
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: of any of these guys. I would say, younger player,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: rookie contract cost controlled, had a nice year last year,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you know, almost six hundred yards right last year kind
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: of a Usually when you see receivers start to break
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: out like that five point fifty mark is like the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the the line of demarcation right. Once they get over that,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you kind of feel like that receiver is starting to
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: come on a little bit and might have even more
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: in the tank, so to speak. So Kaishan Boody, it's
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: good and bad right in terms of him here. On
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the one hand, you could look at Kaishan Boody and say,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: this is a third year receiver with upside with promise
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: that we like. Or you could sit there and say,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: if he's the odd man out, we probably could get
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the most for him in a trade. And you know
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: which way do you fall on that with Kaishan Boody.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Would you rather try to continue to develop him or
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: would you shop him?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I mean it depends what they think is upside is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: if they think he can be like a fringe thousand
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: yard receivert like you know, eight nine hundred yard guy,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and that's probably what he's gonna cap out at. I'd
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: probably trade him. Yeah, if you think he can be
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: like a twelve hundred yard receiver, like a true number one,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: obviously you keep him.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last one on the receiver. So I know it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: a topic of interest obviously. Yeah. Uh, Jalen Polkin, Javon Baker,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know how secure they are. Like you said,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: it's a new regime, it's a new coach and there's
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a new sheriff in town. You know, as much as
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the sunk costs of two was Javon Baker's like one
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: oh five right in the fourth round in his dream
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: one sixteen? Wasn't he taken after Laydon Robinson? You could
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: be right about that, Yeah, job one ten, So two
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: guys that were drafted high. Lane Romson was one of three. Yeah,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: one one at thirty seven and one at one ten.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Does that's investment in both those guys, But it wasn't
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: like Rabel or Ryan Cowden's investment, right, it was somebody
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: else's investment. I just wonder, you know what they think
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: about those guys now, you know, Baker is a program
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: type of guy that you wonder if he's going to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: be on the program, right, you got to get him
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: on the tracks. Jalen Polk, I think it's more, uh
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: that Kyle Williams and Stefan Diggs are just kind of
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: more explosive versions of Jalen Polk and they have maybe
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: another gear, more dynamic play speed than what Jalen Polk
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: even coming out. If you thought that that Jalen Polk
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: was going to hit, I still think you watch Kyle
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Williams play and you see a guy that has an
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: extra gear than what Jalen Polk is going to bring
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to the table. So I'm interested to see what happens
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: with those guys. Fton Chisholm is the one other guy
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I wanted to mention. He's a McDaniel slot right right
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to be in the conversation. You can call me lazy
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: for that one too if you want, but you know
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: he's fair. He's a McDaniel slot. And we've talked in
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: the past about Tomario Douglas being probably we best used
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: is like in the more like the am Mondola to
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: an Edelman than an Edelman to an Ammondola. You know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: guy that's more of like a three receiver package eleven
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: personnel package player in the slot, not a high more
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: vertically Yeah, not a high volume guy like that sort
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: of thing. Fton Chisholm is one of those first and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: second level jitterbugs, like that's what he does. I don't
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: know if he'll make the roster. He might be a
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: UDFAU practice squad stash for a year and then maybe
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: move up, you know, try to see if he can
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: make a push as we go along here. But I'm
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: not ruling out Efton Chisholm, like I'm not ruling out
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Land Lar. Yeah. I'm not ruling out either.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: And the thing with Laris and I meant to bring up,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: is he got a pretty significant signing bonus.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for u DFA that's usually a TEL.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we have the number on the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: exact number on Chishm, but I thought I saw something
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: somewhere that he got a decent chunk of change too.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's wide receiver. I know we're gonna unpack
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that seventeen more times between now and September. Oh yes,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: be fun. And so next position here tight end slash
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: full back. I put them both together, Hunter Henry Austin Hooper,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Jaheem Bell, Jack Westover still on the ninety He's still here. CJ.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Dupree my guy from Alabama, Brock Lampy the full back
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: from Northern Illinois, true full back. And G. Scott Junior,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: another undrafted rookie who the Patriots are reportedly adding. So
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: seven names, you know, pretty good amount of tight ends
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: on a roster usually only carried two or three.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Well, we know Mike rabel As said at the owners meetings,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Can we build a whole thing out of tight end?
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm sure he would love that. So I think
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: the biggest question that I have at tight end is
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: breaking this down of Jaheem Bell versus Dupree and Lampy,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: and more so specifically to Bell, like is Bell's future
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: as a full back? Like can they convert Jaheim Bell
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: into or at least more like a you know, a
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: guy that's a Swiss army knife that can maybe do
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit of everything. But would Jaheim Bell have
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: to be catered more towards a full back role to
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: push this roster? You know, Depree's more of like the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: prototypical why prototypical inline tight end option if they want
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: to go that way. Bell's not that Bell's not going
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: to put his hand in the dirt and be a
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: sixth offensive lineman like I think Deprie is more like that,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and then Lampi is a true fullback, so he's got
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: the experience, and then Bell's like kind of in the
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: middle of those two guys. So what I'm interested with,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: you know, the third tight end spot they do keep
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: three is what what what's their flavor?
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Like, what kind of guy are they going to go
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: for here? It should be interesting. What are your thoughts
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: on Jaem Bell And do you think that he's going
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: to transition to full back? Do you think that they
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: have another role in mind for him? Where does he
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: stand right now? Yeah?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I think like you said it all, it all kind
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: of comes down to fit, right. If they want that
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: more h back move role, then maybe it's Jehem Bell,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to improve as a blocker. But
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: if it's going to be the traditional Josh McDaniels thing,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: like we talked about the fton Jis Brock, Lampy's the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: traditional Josh McDaniels.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Fallback six' one two, sixty built like a brick.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Wall he's, like if the plan is for the fullback
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: more often than not to go into THE a gap
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and meet a linebacker who's gonna fare better in that,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: collision Brock lampy Or Dagen, bell that's just not Really
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Jaheen bell's play. Style he's more like A kyle used
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: check kind of. Guy Brock lampy's your your outright lead.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Blockers so if that's what they're looking for the traditional
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's fall, back It's. Lampy if they want the More
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: kyle used check move, guy THEN i Think bell is a.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Shot AND i also think maybe G scott has a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: chance at. That the guy was a four star wide
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: receiver recruit coming out of high school and then move
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to tight end after his first. Year puts some weight
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: on move tight end after his first year at Highest
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: see he's really an untapped, Player like he didn't get
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a ton of run At Ohio state and he's playing
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: a new position all.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: That so we'll see what they do with.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Him but If josh McDaniels wants the Next James devlin
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: wants the Next Yakub, johnson is Brock.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Lampy, Yeah. Uh the one QUESTION i had With Jaim,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: bell you, know moving more to the full back role
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: is like he's kind of high. Cut like he's a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: taller guy and he's kind of high. Cut when you
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: think of full, backs you want guys that can really
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: get leverage and like get underneath players and have play
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: with good pad level and uh you you typically want
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: them built more uh you, know, stouter more compact Like
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Brock lampy's built, right like you know six, one two.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Sixty you don't want six, three two fifty or two
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: forty five Like Jaimee. Bell you want a guy that is,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: uh you, know lower to the ground to get that
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: leverage and get that pad level. Advantage so if he's
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: gonna play full, back like does he have the flexibility
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: in his lower body and that you, know to to
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: sink and get underneath guys and really square guys up
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and things like. THAT i don't, know like you, said
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: if that's necessarily his. Game, NOW i know there's a
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: lot of people that would probably love a full back
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that's more of a passing, thread you, know that's Not.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Lampy Like, lampy if you release him out of the
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: backside and he's like the check down option on the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: left side of the field or the right side of the. Field, like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: yeah he'll catch the ball and like he'll rumble for
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: a few extra yards and go. Down Like i'm not
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: saying he's a complete zero in terms of, That like
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: he has enough hands to like just catch checkdowns and
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: things like. That but with Jaheem bell in, theory and
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: again this is more in. Theory he's never actually done,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: it we've never seen. It but in, theory you might
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: be able to have him run some more dynamic routes
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: like you Mentioned kyle used check, right someone that could
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: could potentially run a, wheel you, know down the sideline
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: out of the backfield or something like. That so would
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: it be worth it to make that transition to a more,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: dynamic a more athletic full back like A Jaheen bell
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: that might not be the battering ram That lampy, is
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: but might be someone that can add a little bit
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: more in the passing.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Game, well this is where SO I vrabel's gonna put
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: his fingerprints on, this, RIGHT i think back to what
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: he had In. Tennessee he And Jaheen. Bell, yeah But
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Jeeene bell is a tight. End, yeah they used them
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: like AN h back With Jahem bell is a tight?
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: End you Mean John? Smith Johnny? Smith, yes thank, You Johnny.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Smith so.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: Is it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: There's another way we could frame this, conversation BECAUSE i
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: think they had a true fall back to at least early.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: On they may not have the whole, time BUT i
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: think they did early. On is It Jahem bell Versus
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Brock lampy or is It Jeheen bell versus. C. J?
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Duprie?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah and is it we think they want that third
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: blocking tight end and got some, athleticism might have some
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: receiving upside Or, okay we have our two traditional inline tight.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Ends they're gonna, Block they'll be. Fine Jahem bell is
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: gonna be our move tight, end our h back Or
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: john New. Smith but then we'll also still Have Brock
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: lampy when we want.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: To GO i and just run. Down so that'd be
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: four guys at that. SPOT i, mean it's Obviously lampy
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: is a full, back but it's all kind of. One
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: this is what we talked. About how many running backs
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: do you?
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: Keep?
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: It, yeah so maybe you keep three running backs and
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: you can keep if you.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Decide all, right you, know we're good with you, know
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: we're gonna Keep Land, Larison we're gonna Cut Antonio gibson
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: orf they're gonna move on From. Larison and it's only
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a three running back. Room that's how you get away from.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: That MAYBE i just can't imagine A josh McDaniel's offense
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: without a full. Back it's just so ingrained in. Him
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: like regular, personnel you, know twenty one they call it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Regular like when you call something, regular, yeah that it
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: means that that's like a base foundation element to your. Offense, right, so,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: uh twenty one, personnel two, back full, back running back
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: in the, Backfield like that's that's what McDaniels go. To
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: AND i feel Like whenevers hits the fan for The
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: patriots offense with, McDaniel's whether it was nineteen twenty twenty, one,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: eight you, know really, eighteen nineteen twenty twenty, one what
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: do they go? To they put, Them they put the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: quarterback under, center they put the two backs behind, him
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: and they're running, downhill right like That that's what you
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: go to when you want to close out a game
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: when you're not moving the ball through the air and you're, Struggling,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: like what we're gonna go to our, regular we're gonna
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: go to our base, stuff our day one, install and
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: we're gonna run lead iso right at, you and we're
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna try to move the ball by running it.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Downhill until McDaniels doesn't do that and doesn't have that
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: in his in his back of, Trade i'm not going
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: to believe that he he'll roster a team without a full.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Back but, again are you doing that stuff With Jahem? Bell?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Right you could, be you could be either, way but
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: he's that guy or in, Theory and as we move
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: on to the offensive, line like you could do it
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: with a sixth offensive. Lineman now that's really a, tell,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: like now you're really telling the defense that you're going
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: to probably be eighty five eighty twenty maybe run pass,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: right like you're really telling the defense at that point
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that you're running the. Football BUT i broke up tackles
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and interior offensive lineman for the sake of the. Exercise
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: so let's start with, Tackles Will, Campbell, Morgan moses of,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: course But Darian, Lowe Caden, Wallace Dematri, jacobs And Marcus
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: bryant The patriots seventh round. Pick So Will, Campbell Morgan
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: moses is your. Starters they're obviously going to be here left,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: tackle right. Tackle the fascinating CONVERSATION i, had you, know
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: or have with these the next couple of spots. Here,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: yeah a couple of. Questions Darian. Lowe we talked about
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: this a little bit last, WEEK i, think and we've
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: talked about a little bit in the. Past vadarian low
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: is a one position. Backup Vatarian lowe is a left tackle.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Backup he is not very good at right. Tackle he's
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: not a. Guard you, know he's not going to play.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Inside if you're on AN nfl team as a, backup
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of hard to make a roster as
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: a one position Multipositional and the same can be said For. Dematra,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: yeah AND i would say really on the offensive line in,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: general like that's in. PARTICULAR i, mean it's really hard
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: to make the team as a, seventh d eighth offensive
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: lineman if you have no position flex like you were
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: just locked into left. Tackle, now my other question.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Said he'd like that's something they're gonna value from backup
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Offensive i'm in a particular ability to play right so
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Is Vaderian.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Lowe what's his? Status what you know what's his future
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: as a one position. Backup AND i still have not
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: totally given up On Cayden. Wallace, yeah we haven't seen
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: him mainly is the reason he didn't play basically at
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: all his rookie. Years So i'm, like you know some
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: of the other rookies that we did see play last
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: year where you might be a little bit lukewarm on
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: them at this, Point Kden wallace is kind of like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: this unknown character and all of. This, now my expectation
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: or my hope With Kayden wallace is that they are
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: training him to play right tackle Once Morgan moses decides
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: to hang it, up or at least that's the. Idea
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: right that he's in the developmental.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Plant see what you have a, Year see what you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: get if You if you think that he can be that,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: guy you keep.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Developing if, not you didn't do.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: It with live bullets, flying and, right you draft somebody next.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Year so k Kidden wallace as the right tackle and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: waiting if you want to call it. THAT i think
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: there is some ability for him to maybe potentially play
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: a little bit of guard if you wanted to do.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: That so the question more is is, like do you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Keep Kayden wallace on the track of just you're gonna
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: play right tackle and we're, gonna you, know earmark you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: as the right tackle of the future To Morgan, moses
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: or do you move him around and try to find
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: places for him to, play whether it's left, guard whether
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: it's swim. Tackle you, know being able to go both
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: ways at, tackle you know which way do you go
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: With Kaden?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Wallace SO i think you keep him as a developmental
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: right tackle. Prospect that doesn't mean he can't maybe give
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: you some right guard snaps if you. Need certainly would
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: be to your. Point if that's the, group he's gonna
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: be your sixth offensive, lineman and we saw him do
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: that last, year be that jumbo tight. Ends so, YEAH
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: i figure that would be his. Role to me With Vederian,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: lowe it comes back To Marcus. Bryant, yeah Because Marcus
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: bryant is a true swing. Tackle is he a good?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: One is he AN nfl caliber? One that's what we're
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out In july And.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: August but LIKE I i think people get a.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Little too On Vederian lowe's, case like he's not a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: starting caliber. Player he's not in they shouldn't have created
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a situation where he was starting last. Year BUT i
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: think he's like AN nfl caliber. Backup we saw that last,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: year like there were spots where he.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Could hold his.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Own it wasn't consistent enough to be a. Starter but
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: he can only play that left. Side like you, said
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: If Marcus bryant can play the left, side it closed
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: two or at or better the same level as very
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: low and then play on the right side at a similar. Level,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: well if you have two guys who are similar caliber
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: left tackles but one can also play right, tackle that's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: a no brainer who you're. Keeping so to, me IT'S
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: i Think, Campbell, moses And wallace are on the. Team
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: It's Vederian, Lowe Marcus, bryant and if you want to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Throw Demontre jacobs in, there you can for the last.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: SPOT i do think they'll carry four. Tackles i'm pretty
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: much with. YOU i think what's.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Interesting but then the, idea, sorry but then the idea would,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: be If bryant proves he can be a true Swing
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Morgan moses moves. On Will campbell's you're starting, Left Cane
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: wallace you're starting. Right Marcus bryant's you're back up at
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: both spots and you're keeping, three, right you're keeping three.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Tackles long, term you just need to keep an extra
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: guy this year while you Develop.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: WALLACE i find it, LIKE i think there's a real
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: possibility and hopefully this Will campbell's healthy his entirerogy. Year
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: we don't have to find. Out BUT i think there's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: a real possibility that a guy Like Marcus, bryant like you,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: said could be a swing, tackle BECAUSE i think he
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: did a little bit more of that At missouri and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: there's some more of that in his, game all. RIGHT
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: i think he was AT smu first and Then. Missouri.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Uh but With marcus Bryan, like isn't there a world
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: where if they needed somebody to go in at all
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: left tackle that he probably gets to call Over Kadon,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Wallace And Kaden wallace is like just focused on playing
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: the right left.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Tackle oh, yeah, NO I i don't Want Kane wallace
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: to be the backup left.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Tackle, Yeah so you want him to be in a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: developmental pipeline for right tackle and then and he can
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: play jumbo title, yeah right, right and then duke it
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: out for the swing tackle between Low jacobs And.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Brian, Well i'm kind of, well it would. BE i
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: don't know If brian is the swing, tackle and if,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: not it's Just low And. Jacobs and you're committing the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: carrot because in this, case you're moving on From Marcus, bryant,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Right you're now committing to carrying four tackles and you're
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: gonna have to find it Another.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: And then was backing Up campbell And wallace is backing Up.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Moses that that could definitely be where it goes as.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Well SO i THINK i Think brian, died no, doubt
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: he just got. Drafted the other two guys have been
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: in the.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: League, brian it Has and WHEN i say, THIS i
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: mean as a, Backup bryant has much more upside Than
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: jacob's are, well, YEAH i, Agree, WELL i mean in
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: terms of, UPSIDE i, agree, yeah just the ability to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: play both.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Sides, YEAH i think the ability to swing. Times BECAUSE
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: i agree with you Is Vaderian. Low LIKE i don't
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Think Vanderian low's. AWFUL i Think Vaderian low's inconsistent and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: because of, that he's not a, starter, right because he
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: has these mental apses where he's you, know not lining
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: up correctly or jumping off side or just not locked
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: in every, snap and that's why he's not a. Starter
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: but there are starting level reps On Vaderian lowe's. Tape
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: it's just you can't just ignore the bad, stuff, right
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: and that's why you know it was such a. Need
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: But Vaderian low's AN nfl player in terms, of you,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: know being a backup left. Tackle he's just only a
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: backup left, tackle which makes things complicated for. Him let's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: move to interior offensive. Line there's a lot of names
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: here as, well some interesting, battles certainly a left, guard
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: BUT i also think the is a battle at. CENTER
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I i don't think that that's a shoe in For
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Garrett bradberry saying that's his free Agency Mike Leyden, Robinson Garrett,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Bradberry Jared, Wilson Cole Strange city So Ben, Brown Tyres,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Robinson West, Sweitzer Jack, Conley. Colbert, oh so that is
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: eleven names at an interior offensive. Line they are. Obvious,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: yes they're obviously not going to keep eleven interior offensive too.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Many they probably are going to keep four or. Five
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: four is probably more. Likely the two questions THAT i
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: THAT i have here are you, know obviously left. Guard
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest camp BATTLES i think across the,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: board but really open the guy that uh that that's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: the true wild card here to me Is Jared, wilson
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: because straight, up there's a world Where Jared wilson beats
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Out bradberry for the starting center. JOB i think that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: is a real real case for that you're talking about in?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Camp, yeah BECAUSE i think week, one, RIGHT i think
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: what this is all about Is Jared wilson's going to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: start at center at some point this year for The.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Patriots it's just a matter of how Long Garrett bradbury
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: can hold him. Off, yeah or at least by twenty six,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: CERTAINLY i think even maybe late this.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Year so, YEAH i think it's. DEAD i think it's
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: a definitely possibility to the year.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: Start.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Well but here's the, thing Is Garrett bradbury one of these,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: guys because this goes to the, numbers Is Garrett bradbury
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: one of these guys that is a veteran six year
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: starter in the. League is he here no matter what
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: or is it start or he's not on the.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Team it's a good question and the, Contract i'm sure you,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: know the numbers come out and it's all inflated and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: stuff like. That they can get out of. It they
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: can probably get out of the. Contract it's that's the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: question THAT i, Have like Is Garrett bradbury truly? Safe
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: because If Jared wilson comes into, camp AND i know
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: it's people that are on his side or in his
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: camp THAT i talk, to But i've talked to some
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: people for the future That i'm writing about him on the,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: website and, like the guy is just supremely. Talented like
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: the words that you're hearing about him are like special
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: in terms of his fish. Traits you, know he falls
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: in the draft of the third round because he's a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: one year starter and he plays center, right so it's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: not a position of, value and he only played one
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: year At. Georgia but everybody you here talk to him
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: is comparing him to some pretty high, comps, right like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: not quite Like Jason, kelcey but like the cop THAT
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: i got From Duke, manny whether was Like eric McCoy
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: And New orleans who's been with The danes last week
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: had a good? One do you? REMEMBER i remember he had,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: one AND i don't remember who he said find? It so,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: regardless like that there's the word uniquely, talented special in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: terms of his, traits the. Athleticism the real question With
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Jared wilson is, like can He Rodney, Hudson Rodney hudson great?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Player like the real question With Jared wilson is mentally
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: can he catch on quick enough to be A week one?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Starter AND i know we disagree a little bit on,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: this and that's WHY i wanted to bring it. UP
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: i believe that it's there's a world Where Jared wilson's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: playing left guard as a rookie because if he plays left,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: guard there's no not, no but there's very there's less
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: mental tax on him than playing. Center, yeah but he's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: still one of their best five.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Blockers but then how is he gonna learn that that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: mental stuff that he needs to learn to play?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Center, well couldn't he learn all that? Stuff?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Still LIKE i don't know what's holding him, back you,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: know just being ready to. PLAY i think at a
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: certain point you have to do it to learn. It
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: that position it's.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i just wonder if there's a world AND i don't,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: WONDER i think there could be a world Where campbell
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: and is left to Right, Campbell Jared, Wilson Garrett bradby
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: When Morgan moses is your five best offensive.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Lineman but don't don't you think that If wilson is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: good enough to play left guard or ready enough to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: play left, guard start, there he's ready enough to start at.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Center how big is the difference Between Garrett bradbury And
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: city sew Or Lane.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Robinson that's a fair, question But i'm more thinking about
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: it in terms of you have a second year quarterback back.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: There Garrett bradbury started like eighty games in THE. Nfl
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: he's an EXPERIENCED nfl starter at the. Position you, know
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: how much of a help Is Garrett bradberry going to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: be from a communications standpoint With Drake May and is
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: that enough to just for this year Have Garrett bradberry
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: here While Jared.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Wilson does that offset having a rookie left, side which
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a full rookie left. Side you would
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: also think the first thing you hear about With wilson
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: is his FOOTBALL. IQ i don't think it's a wrong
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: taking a, bubble BUT i think For Jared wilson, specifically
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: a major reason he went as high as he did
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: was his.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Intelligence, YEAH i mean he's a great he's a really great. Talent,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: yeah we'll see if he puts it all. TOGETHER i
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: mean that's a question with any of these, rookies but
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: he's a really great. TALENT i JUST i wonder if
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: there's a scenario where it's Like Jared wilson as a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: blocker is just so dynamic that he's too good to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: keep him off the. Field but we just don't feel
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: great about our, battery to use a baseball, Term, yeah
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: being a rookie and a second year guy and at quarterback,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: right like that's it's just a lot of youth at
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: two highly, complex communicative type of, positions whereas at left,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: guard like he's just blocking the people in front of. Him,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: right we've also.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Seen McDaniels wasn't there one Year it probably would have
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: been the Year andrews was sick That joney.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Did all that from the left. Guard, Well Teddy carris
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: was the center of the year That andrews was. Sick
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: SO i can't imagine That Ted carriss didn't have a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: hand in. IT i, Know but why DO i rememberbe
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: it was Like Ted harris got hurt for like a.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: GAME i remember there being a year or at least
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: a portion of a year Where Joe tooney was making
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: all the line calls from left. Guard it's, Possible and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: so couldn't you do that With mike ol AND?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Winu you? Could you? COULD i don't know if on
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: when who was really that kind of, guy you, know
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: in terms of like the really studying it and knowing
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: the x's and o's like, that that's what it. All
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: it goes into as. Well it's like it's not just
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: oh he's like he's a loud. Guy he's a good
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: communicator on the. Field it's also like the study habits
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: that you have to go into the game and you
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: have to understand all their, fronts and you have to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: understand all their pressure packages on third down and where
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: they like to bring blitzes from and what their tels,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: are and like all the study and film work that
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: goes in to being ready to call out line calls
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: in AN nfl, Game like you have to have somebody
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: that's prepared to do that and is ready to do.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: That Garrett bradberry's been doing it for six seven, years,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Right like he's definitely ready to do. IT i just
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if other people are and maybe they will
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: be you, know Maybe Jared wilson will be ready for.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: It we'll. See BUT i, MEAN i think you drafted
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: for his. INTELLIGENCE i think they draft because of his athleticism.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Too his athleticism is, skyhigh you, know his upside and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: his traits are. Immense, yeah it.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Was in twenty nineteen at some, point Like i'm finding
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: like sort of tweets about. IT i can't find the full,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: article But i'm pretty sure it's point in twenty Nineteen
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Joe tooty was making line calls for The patriots as
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: the left.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: GUARD i believe. It so the other conversation here is
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: obviously just let's Take wilson out of. It just the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: competition at left guard is really feels like it's Between,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Robinson strange And city so. Who i'm not ruling out
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: winning the job, either because of his success in his
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: twenty three yeah with With bill.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: O'Brien, so but here's the. Thing let's Say wilson makes
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the team And bradbury is. Cut, yeah who wins The
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: who wins the battle for backup? Center Ben Browner Cole?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: STRANGE i, was, so here's the thing About strange THAT
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: i think helps, him, right AND i know that there
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: was some photos From OTA's where it looked Like strange was,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: snapping you, know so like he's definitely getting some reps
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: at least dead. Center, yeah that helps him, Right like
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: he could play left guard or he could played. Center
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: the one THING i remember WHEN i talked To Jim,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: nagy who's now At, oklahoma but he was the director
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: of The Senior, bowl the one thing he mentioned With
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Leyden robinson when they drafted him last year is similar
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: to what we were talking about With Darien. Lowe Like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Landon robinson's a, guard like he's a one position player
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: on the offensive. Line So Cold strange at least has
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: that in his back pocket that he can play center
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: and he can play. Guard so even if he's not
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: the starter at left, guard like he could back up
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: two different, spots which is big for him now or if.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: HE i, guess even if he does win the, job
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you still might not need to carry a backup center
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: because If wilson goes, down you're. Playing although that's pretty
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Against scarnecki's. Philosophy so where does McDaniel's fall on that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: in terms of moving in terms of moving, right one,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: in one. Out so If Cole stranger's starting left guard
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: in your backup. Center, now, essentially if your center you
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: lose one, player you're on.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Two, backs you lose two. Players, yeah so maybe they
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be as quick to do. That so as it stands,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: today without any, practice we have not observed this single.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Thing so just off your, Gut robinson so, strange who
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: is who's the starting left guard when we get out
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: to training camp on day? ONE i Think City so
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: is the best potential. There, oh who's it going to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: be day? One, Yeah like when we get out TO
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: o T our FIRST ota practice and we see the starting,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: five who's at left? Guard, geez that's. Tough, YEAH i
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: think IT'S i Think CITY so is gonna win. It,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: yeah but the paths will have to come on from
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: it could be. ANYBODY i think it's gonna Be Laden. Robinson, yeah.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: PROBABLY i think there will be enough From elliott and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: and the people that are still here from last year
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: that they'll push For Laden robinson to get.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: It.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Uh there there is like a an undercurrent there For Wes,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: schweitzer who's like had some experience in the, league and
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: is it might Be Wes sweitzer just because he's a. Veteran,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: yeah you, know veteran guy that that there's some there's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: some love for him. THERE I i Love Jack.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: CONLEY i was gonna say Player Jack connolly belongs in this.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Conversation maybe not to be the, starter but definitely as a.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Backup we've talked about diversatility a. Lot it can play
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: ALL i think you could probably play.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: OFF i have. SPOTS i think he's too tall to play.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Center he can definitely play all. Four he's he's. Four,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: yeah he has four position.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: VERSATILITY i think he's gonna be competing hard for backup.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Role he's somebody That so WHEN i do my roster,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: PROJECTION i think we both do this the same. Way
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: all put on at least the first one of the,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: year and THEN i kind of tweaked on each. One but,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: like all, Right i'm gonna go. Through i'm just gonna
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: list every player THAT i think has a decent chance
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: of making the team and Then i'll go from there
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: or like every player THAT i want to put on
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: this roster, Projection.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: YEP i Have Jack connelly on.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: There.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah Jack, CONNELLY i think is gonna have a NICE nfl.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: CAREER i don't know if it's gonna be. Here and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: WHEN i say, nice, LIKE i don't know if he'll
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: ever be a entrenched starter in THE. Nfl but the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: thing that you, know and as At Boston college is pro,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: day everybody just kept on, saying you, know six man
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: like he's gonna be the six man of some offensive
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: line where he's gonna have be a four position. Backup and,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: oh our our left guard goes down on the opening,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Drive jack's going, in our right tackle goes down on
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: the opening, Drive conley's going in like. That it just
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: it has so much value that he can do. That
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: he also played a little bit of like jumbo tight
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: end to like you, know tackle eligible stuff. Like he's
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: just got a ton of. Versatility so that's, uh those
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: are sort of my you, know where my my burning questions,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: are if you want to put it that, way on
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: this group as we head into OTAs and What i'll
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: be looking. For and it's a it's an interesting roster
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: on offense because you have some, Locks there's no doubt about.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: It there's some real entrench, guys you, Know, Campbell, Moses Henry,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: hooper probably the receivers we Mentioned stevenson Treveon henderson and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Obviously Drake may And Joshua. Dawes but you know those
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: at large spots like you like to call, it like
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: those are they're up for. GRABS i, Have they're wide.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: OPEN i have thirty six players with a real shot
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: at making the team on. Offense, yeah and in reality
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: that number is probably going to be somewhere from like
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Eight.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah all, right we'll open it up to you. Guys,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: now that was fun and we'll we'll get into. It
• 1:16:56
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  Speaker 2: Toyota let's go, places AND i might need one of
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• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: The New England. Patriots let's get to the. PHONES i
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Know sean And patty have been, waiting SO i, Apologize But,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: sean what's. UP a couple of.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: Weeks, ago you apologized profusely about not getting to the,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: emails and it's kind of funny to, me at least,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 8: anyways BECAUSE i wrote an email just asking or stating
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: THAT i don't Think andrew mccouba would be there because
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 8: he's going to be drafted too. High what do you
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: think Of Craig? Woodson AND i also asked in the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 8: same email about three pullbacks Including Brock, Lampy so of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: what your. Opinion so it's kind of funny how things
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: went and with its team there's so many, changes which
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: makes sense when the previous year you only want four.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: Games SO i think there's going to be like half
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: the team is going to be different from last. Year
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: AND i, Like i'm. EXCITED i, MEAN i don't know
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: what's going to, happen But i'm excited about this. CLASS
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: i can imagine ten of the eleven draft picks being
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: there on day one as. Starters are you, know just
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: on the team, anyway not necessarily, starting but being part
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: of the fifty. Three and then the other QUESTION i
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: have for you is being that of the draft, picks
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 8: who do you think has the longest shot of making the.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 8: Team so that's that's my question to, You and thanks a.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: Lot speak to.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Soon thanks for the, Call, sean and a good call
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: on the draft picks and nailed. IT i would, SAY
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: i don't know the longest shot to make the team
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: is hard BECAUSE i think there's a realistic path for
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: all of. IT i really feel that.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Way is it lazy to Say Kobe, MINOR i know
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  Speaker 1: he was the.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Last but like, SURE i guess, YEAH i mean that's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: an easy. One it's a crowded. Room.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah Jordan, polk the corner safety From Texas state who
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: is THE, udfa is a similar player who is going
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: to push. Him so you know a lot of those late.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Picks borg is going to, be should be a starting.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Kicker ashb's obviously gonna make. Team he's a long, Snapper
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Marcus bryant we just talked about with his Vers still
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: he's a good. Shot and then you, know fifth round
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: are up usually keeping those. Guys, yeah so, yeah and
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: THEN i think it's kind Of Kobe minor just by. Default,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: yeah and and the two defensive Lineman we're gonna do
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: these next. Week but Like Joshua farmer And Branden swinson
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: to me are not typical fourth and fifth round. Picks
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: like those guys are have much higher upside than your
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: typical fourth and fifth. Rounder SO i would be absolutely
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: stunned if both those guys are not on the. Roster you,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: know they kind of remind me a little bit more
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: of Like booty In Pop, Douglas like when they drafted
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: those guys in the sixth round and we were, like,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Well booty had the injury in, college is, right And
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: pop is just a small school.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Guy that's why he's zero. Stars, yeah, Right like it
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: just those guys felt like like more, uh you, know
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: sure things than your typical sixth round. PICK i feel
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: the same way About farmer And swinton where they were.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: DRAFTED i think those guys are rotational players at the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: next level in a really deep. Class So Kobe minor
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: is the obvious. Answer. Uh you, KNOW i think that
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: there's a world Where Marcus bryan's an odd man out
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: to probably just based off where he, was he probably be. Next,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: YEAH i would say those two. Guys all, Right patty
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: is In. Agua what's, Up, Patty, Patty i'll give us
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: a call. BACK i had him on hold for a.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: While give us a call, Back. Patty, uh here he.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Is eldred's In North. Carolina what's Up. Eldred, Hey so how.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: Y'all doing are?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: You?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: QUESTION i love your prediction on wide, receivers BUT im
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: the old. GUY i Know pope And Baker ranks showing,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: it but you don't think one of the guys Like
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: John giles or one of the guys to push mc
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: holland's off the. Roster you, KNOW i know they sound
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: for free, agent but you don't think they can.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: Push thanks for the, Call. Elgard uh, oh go, ahead
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: you have another. One?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: NOW i had a, rant BUT i wait. Too latest
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: that a great, guard but guard whatever his name, Is
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: BUT i wait on.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: THAT i just got a.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Ring, okay, okay on On Matt. COLLINS i Think Mac
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: collins is. HERE i think it's a combination of you
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: just signed him as a free, agent he has familiarity with,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: McDaniels and they need some sort of like they they
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: signed him in my mind to be like a character
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: guy in that. ROOM i like to be a, leadership
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: a blue guy in that. Room so even if maybe
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: one of these guys you know has more quote unquote
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: raw talent Than Matt collins, DOES i think he's gonna.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Be here's also a special teams, course special teams, Player
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: SO i think he's gonna be? Here what? What what's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: what's your? Rent? Biggie what do you?
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  Speaker 8: Got?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 6: GREAT i don't like to podcast matter Effect i'm described to.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: IT i don't like the way he Downrated, milton AND
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: i don't think it was a bad guy if did
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: heard it all during the, season AND i just don't
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: like what he said or. Whatever but it's always like
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: when a player go, away you grant from when you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: first get, here then when he leaves or, whatever did
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: just what you called it The foxford, Blues AND i
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: just hate when you do a person like did when
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: you never heard from the. Beginning, NOW i don't blame,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: him but trying to push for a starting. Position so
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: if nobody on that rock does want to push to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: be the, man it shouldn't be on the. Roster besides
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: just taking, money it's. Faith and that's just the WAY
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: i feel about. Competition thanks a, lot man for hitting.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: The, rain no. Problem thanks for the, Call. ALDRED i
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: assume he's talking about bad reported About Joe milton being
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: a bad. GUY i assume that's what he's talking. About,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: look you, KNOW i have no information on Whether Joe
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: melton was a good guy or a bad guy or
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: anything like. That i'll leave that To greg. Guy you,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: KNOW i heard great things About Joe, milton uh when
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: they drafted. Him you know it was like this your
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: well good Guy award winner and like people are really
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: high on his character and you, know likable, guy fun
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: guy to be. Around BUT i don't have much more
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: to add other than. THAT i don't know what happened last.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Year it was to it Elser.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Stead, LIKE i don't Doubt Joe milton wants to be a.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: STARTER i would want anybody on my team to like
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: really be aggressively. Pushing BUT i also think that they
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: may want a certain environment For Drake, may AND i
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: think after going Through Zappy, fever this organization may be
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: a little too or a little more in tune with
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: with that kind of. Idea but you, know you hope
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: it doesn't go back and bite. Him Joe, MILTON i
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: think would be a really good backup. QUARTERBACK i would
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: have had him on the depth chart ahead Of Josh.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Dobbs If Drake may gets, hurt that's going to be
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: a massive second.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Guess, yeah, no it's both points are. Fair the backup
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback is always the most popular guy in, town as they,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: SAY i think he was on a losing. Team it
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: was was It Michael, bishop, right the quarterback years ago
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: that wasn't quite as alien like As Joe milton in
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: terms of the, trades but had a huge arm and
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: could get outside the pocket and really hum it and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: like had similar kind of checked similar boxes in terms
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: of like the skill set, Right and everybody was infatuated
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: With bishop the same way that they have been infatuated
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: With Joe. Milton so there's always that. Guy there's always
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: that guy kicking. Around it was Obviously zappi for a few.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: YEARS i understand totally clear in the decks For drake
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: may if that's what they. DID i don't know one
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: hundred percent that is what the intention, was but certainly
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: seems like that's what everybody believes or reading tea leaves
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: on it is what everything points. To BUT i we'll.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: SEE i don't have any real big gripes with Trading.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: MILTON i thought it was interesting that they did what
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: they did to get a higher draft pick by swapping
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: instead of just getting an outright draft pick out of.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: HIM i think would be like the only thing That
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: i'd look at you, know maybe if you had held
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: on to him Like Jimmy Garoppolo Jacobe reset, style if
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: you developed him for another year or two and then
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: in like year three of the rookie, contract you traded,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Him like maybe you could have improved his value slightly
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: by doing. That BUT i Think Joe milton is a
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: really fun career. Backup LIKE i think he's gonna be
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: a really fun backup for some, team Maybe, Dallas BUT
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: i don't know if they're gonna be losing much sleep over.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Him BUT i agree With biggie in general THAT i
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: don't love that we would do it in all, sports
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: not just. Football like when a guy gets traded or
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: a guy leaves town all of a, sudden all you,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: know all the skeletons come out about how bad of
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: a duty, was like we'll, see you. KNOW i don't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: know how how true that is or. Isn't alex is In.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Syracuse what's, Up? Alex, hey guys hit?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: Me?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: Okay? Good?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: Uh just a couple of.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: Questions. Uh first of, ALL i want to say first
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: time caller Because i'm usually working at this time when you're,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: live SO i never get a. CHANCE i always catch
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: the show after the.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Fact so happy to be able to call in appreciate.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: It first, Question, uh is there anybody in the free
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: agent classics left that you look at that you could
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: add as like a depth piece to help fix certain.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: SPOTS i was looking and thinking like A Brandon sheriff
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: at guard could come in if we don't love what
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: you have currently for that left guard. Spot and the second,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: question AND i apologize if you answered. This i've been
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 7: doing housework up and. AROUND i haven't been in front
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: of the show as. Much, Uh Kayshawan. Boody it sounds
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: Like Matt collins is here and he's probably gonna be
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: THE x With diggs being here and he'll probably be
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: YOUR Z x And pulk being a A z slot
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: And pop being the. Slot where do you See booty fitting?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: In and what can he if he doesn't fit, in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: where what do you think he could do to try
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: and earn a spot on the? Roster, yeah and with,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: That i'll take it off off.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Here, Guys thank, you thanks, an thanks for the, calling
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: thanks for. Listening good. Questions we did talk a little
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: bit About Kashan boody, earlier so you can go ahead
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: and you, know hear, that BUT i think we both
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: feel the same way About Kishon, booty you, know being
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: one of the clearer pass TO x receiver probably on
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: the roster to play on the. Outside in terms of
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: the free agents that are, Available shaff's an interesting. One you,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: know he's a career right. GUARD i had Circled sheriff
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: a little bit in free agency potentially to come in
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: and be like a veteran stop gap at left guard,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: potentially BUT i believe he's played the majority of not
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: his entire career on the right, side so he'd be you,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: know switching over a little. Bit but it's an interesting
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: question in, general just you, know who are some. Names
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: if there are any of guys, that let's say they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: get into camp and it's just not, working you, know
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: it's not working out at a, spot whether it's a
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: veteran or it's a younger, player you, know, rookie second
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: year guy that they thought was going to be a.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Starter there are some. GUYS i, mean it's not a
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: ton of guys that are still. Available you, know there's
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: some name receivers Like King now And Amari cooper are
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: still out. There but like even for, instance like you
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Know Matthew, judon right, like if you or you Know
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Von miller is a free, Agent like if one of
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: those guys you don't feel great about edge. Depth you
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: know you Have Harold, andrew you have A Kalavon chase,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: On Anthony, Jennings Braiden swinson's a rookie. There let's Say
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Braden swinson is not the third down pass rusher, yet
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: like he just isn't, ready you, know could you sign
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: one of those veteran guys like A, miller like A,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: judan like someone like that to just be a stop
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: gap and play the position for you know a period of,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: time maybe it's even only half the, season right, like
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: and Then swinson's ready to contribute more down the stretch.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Run but that would be the. Spot you, Know Preston
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: smith's the free agent still like, that that would probably
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: be the smart spot THAT i would look at as
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: maybe a place they could ad would be pass.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Rusher, yeah edge, guy you won More julian black if
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: they feel Like woodson isn't giving them what they need
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: at that deep safety, position and Maybe marcus EPs and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: he isn't fully.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Healthy blackman still out there as a free, Agent, yeah
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: it's a good it's a good question because normally what
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: happens with those guys is we'll get Into august and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: like two weeks into training, camp someone will get hurt
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: or some team won't feel great about their depth at
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: a certain spot or great about their, starter you, know
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: at a certain, spot and then you, Know Zeke elliott
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago get, signed, right and they
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: bring in, depth and they bring in some. Reinforcements so
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: there are a couple guys kicking around that could fit.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: THAT i don't Think Stefan gilmore signed anywhere yet.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Either If i'm not, mistake he's not gonna sign till
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be like last.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Year he just doesn't want to do. Camp, yeah he
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't need. TO i don't blame. Him, yeah that's totally.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Fair all, Right i'm told That patty is really here this.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Time what's, Up? Patty what's?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: Up?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: Guys think about that bluetooth? Malfunction all? Good SO i
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: got a question and another hot, take only this thought
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: take is going to be centralized around The, patriots not
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: just a general N fell hot. Take first, off, question
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: is it out of the realm of the possibility that
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: we can possibly trade for one of these maybe young
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: expendable tight. Ends the two Guys i'm thinking of Are
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: Michael mayer And cole Or cole commit and the way
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: too early off Season patriots hot take is are you
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: ready for? This Kyle williams WINS Nfl Offensive rookie of The.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Year let's. Go i'll take the.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Question not very, guys Thanks. PATTY i will SAY i
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: think there is A patriot who could Win Offensive rookie
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: of The, year but It's Trevon. Henderson it's Not Kyle.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Williams when's the last time an offensive lineman Won rookie The.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: YEAR i don't think they've ever done that in my.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Time you Think Will Campbell dift have to be like, Absurd,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: yeah but isn't there a world Where Trevon henderson is
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: there by the end of the. Season is there number
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: one running back and it rushes for a thousand yards
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: like or at least total maybe rushing in, passing and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: it's not a really, strong you, know offensive draft class
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Right like it's gonna Be Travis hunter if he plays
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: receiver full, time which it sounds like he. Will ted.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: McMillan the two tight ends you Know warren And Colson, Lovelin,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: like we'll have a good. Chance Colson, lovelin THOUGH i
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: don't know if he's gonna be healthy right out of the,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: gate you, know at THE ac, joints so he might
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: be uh you, know start to hear on pup or something, right,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: daw which will hurt his Cause i'm interested In Michael.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: MAYER i. Am it's not happening because The raiders won't do. It, well,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: YEAH i don't think he likes. McDaniels oh, well it
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: might not be his. Choice like he gets, traded he gets.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Traded, well but this coaching staff is so big on, fit,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Right so that's. Fair that was there was.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: There's some rumblings about. That, no there was a story
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: or he.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Gave a quote after McDaniels got fired where he didn't
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: mention McDaniels, specifically where he basically just said he was
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: much happier after McDaniels. Left he didn't name, McDaniels.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: BUT i, mean come, on that's. Fair but he. Did
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: McDaniels did draft.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Him so last year there were some DAYS i didn't
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: want to come.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: In oh, jeez McDaniels did draft. Him, yeah so there's
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: that he definitely fits as that prototypical why tight end
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: in a McDaniel's offense, sense why he drafted him when
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: he was In. VEGAS i still think that there's potential.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: There you, KNOW i was really high on him coming
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: out of. COLLEGE i think most people. Were it was
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: kind of a, similar you, know watered down version Of
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: loveland Versus Tyler, warren where Like Michael mayer was the well,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: rounded you, know blocking tight end that could also catch,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: passes and then you Know Sam laporta Or Dalton kincaid
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: was like the receiving tight, end like A Colson. Lovelin
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: So mayor was the war end of that, draft you,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: know maybe not quite as highly rated of a, prospect
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: but similar type of. Mold is there a world where
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: he takes a few years like a lot of tight ends,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: do and then like year three or, four he breaks
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: out and has his best years ahead of.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Them we ran through that list the tight ends the other,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: week and a lot of guys who really weren't great
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: until they got to their second.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Team i'm not against the idea as a.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: WHOLE i Just medaniel's thing might, matter and whether it's,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: comet whether it's him or Cole kmet WHO i, Like yeah.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: One neither of those teams have a ton of tight end. Depth,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: yeah SO i don't know why they're Trade i've heard
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: them both talked. About for The.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: PATRIOTS i don't know why they're trading either. One, yeah,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know what the incentive is, there and
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: for The, patriots so you're gonna get, like so you're
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: gonna have to give up something significant for a guy
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: that's probably gonna be a third string tight end right. Away,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: yeah you, know there was a time in the off
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: season where it made more sense just based on the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: way the off season's. GONE i don't think you need
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: to overextend yourself to make that kind of.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Move, Right, like if they had not re Signed hooper
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: and the move completely different to trade a pick For
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: mayor and have him be the backup tight end, different then, yeah,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: like right, now what is? It what is it gonna.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Cost it's gonna cost a fifth round. Pick i'd probably do. That,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: yeah it's gonna cost a THIRD i.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't, Yeah so all, right let's get to some of these,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: emails and THEN i do want to get to our
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: our math versus not math with a conversation before the
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: end of the show that people will have to humor
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: us with a little bit Of celtics talk at the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: end of the. Show BUT i want to get to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: a couple of emails because we have a bunch of
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: them coming. IN i love this email because this is
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: one of those. Things and you know you've been we've
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: been doing this together long, Enough alex to know THAT
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: i fall for it every single. Time at what point
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: can we discern whether or Not Land larison And Efton
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: chism or Where Jacobi MYERS i Guess Jacoby myers or
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: LIKE i don't, Know Danny wood hit or whatever he
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: didn't put a running, back Or Ralph web or TJ,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Mo like, basically at what point do we know it's
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: real With chisholm and With Land. Larison the one thing
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: THAT i promise everybody is that If Efton chism goes
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: out and has a great spring with no pads and
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: no contact and he's just jitterbugging all around the field
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: and nobody can touch him because you're not allowed to
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: and he has a huge, SPRING i promise YOU i
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: will pump the brakes AND i won't go. Gas you,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: know pedal to the medal on it Because i've seen
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: that movie. Before i'm really going to have to, see
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: especially in the case Of chisholm, specifically because running back
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: you can't you can't grade running back till the preseason,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Anyways like there's no, pads there's no tackling to the.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Ground that one is really like you can't really tell
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: with a running back UNTIL i would say probably the preseason.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Games like you have to watch him play in games
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: to really see what he's going to bring to the.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Table but with Efton, Chisholm i'm not getting excited or
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: any other way About ft And chishlm UNTIL i see
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: him do it in a fully padded. Practice who was
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: the wide receiver he gave With Ralph? WEBB Tj Mo
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: austin cars right, THERE i hear. You i'm working with the.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Email so here's WHERE i think it, Is Like Jacoby
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: meyers So Ralph, webb, right, yeah super fun. Preseason but
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: he was coming in in the fourth quarter and they
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: were just handing the ball off on every. Play, yeah
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: like he wasn't really playing against. Anybody there really was
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: anything drawn? Up was we need this clock to? Run Jacoby,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: myers IF i remember, correctly played almost start.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: To finish in all of those preseason.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Games like he was on the, field maybe not against,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: starters but against like LEGITIMATE nfl, backups like guys who
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: were going to make the.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Team so that's the.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: DIFFERENTIATOR i don't know that there's one moment where it's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: like yes or. No Because rodley mccharran made the team
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: look good in the, preseason made the team was not.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Ready there's another name you can throw out.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: There but.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: IF i remember, again IF i remember correctly on one
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: hundred percent show THAT i, do And i'll try to find.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: It but Like riley McCarran was just kind of In,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: austin car were just kind of playing in the fourth
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: quarter of these. Games they weren't really out there for a.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: Bulk Whereas Jacoby myers was out. THERE i don't think
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: he was catching passes From, brady but he was out
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: there with guys who are gonna make the team against
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: guys who.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Are gonna Make, yeah that's always a good. Tell that's a. Differentiator,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah so it's always a good tell of who's he
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: running with right and maybe won't be with the starting
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: quarterback right. Away but If Efton chisholm In august finds
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: himself in a group With Kendrick bourne And Jalen polk
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: And Jay Von, baker and that Grew Kesehan boodie in
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: the group we were talking about, earlier and ft And
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: chisholm is getting reps over one of those guys or
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: two of those. Guys that's when you know it's starting
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: to get real right. Now if he's running with the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: threes all summer, long then they're not seeing. It they're
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: not seeing that he's that he's in that group. Yet
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: But i'm gonna have to really, LIKE i might not
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: even believe it With Kyle williams UNTIL i see him
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: might do it in like regular season games at this,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: point because even though it wasn't eye, popping Like Jalen
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: polk had a solid rookie training, camp, like it wasn't
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: LIKE i, said it wasn't eye. Popping it wasn't, like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: oh my, god this guy's a difference. Maker he moves.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Differently you, know this is. Incredible but If Kyle williams
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: goes out there next week or the week after whenever
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: we have our FIRST ota and he's like tearing it
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: up in spring. Practices I'm i'm gonna be cautious about.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: THAT i am So.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Jacoby meyers his rookie preseason where to? Go it just
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: had it played like fifty played forty four fifty, three
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: sixty and fifty one. Snaps, yeah played a toime over
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: those four, games, right played played a lot so for,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: comparison doesn't go far enough back for me for TJ.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Mo But Austin carr the last two games it started
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: to drop. Off he played a lot, early but not as,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: much especially in that third. Game he only played twenty
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: nine snaps in that third, game which was when the starter's. Played,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: yeah so that's what it's gonna come down, To, like
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: it's it who is he doing it? Against that's what holds.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Weight so on these same, lines next question here From
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Christian he asks over under three udfas to make the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: fifty three man. Roster so three is the. NUMBER i
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be. THREE i think it's gonna be exactly.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: THREE i think it's gonna Be chisholm Lamp. Lampey i'll
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: say over because Maybe Elijah ponder, Either Jack connelly sneak, On,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: YEAH i, KNOW i keep saying we're gonna do defense next.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: Week but we're gonna do defense next. Week AND i
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Think Elijah ponder's got a real shot. Too, yeah you,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: know right now at, EDGE i Got Landry Chase, On
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Jennings Swinson ponder like that's only five guys and run
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: through it, Again Landry, Chaison, Jennings, Winson, Ponder chase on
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: what about are you not counting hit? Player no defensive? Line? Okay,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah so looking at it that, way you, know especially fit,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: wise like, schematically you, know is he a better Fit
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: ponder Than Anthony jennings for like the style of play
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: that they want to, play you know up the? Field you,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: know guy that's got speed off the edge like he
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: to me if it's way you, know he's way more
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: in The Landry chase On swinson mold Than Anthony jennings.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Is SO i think that there's a real chance For
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: ponder as. Well So i'm Gonna i'm gonna say. PUSH
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: i think push is the right. Answer but it's a
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: good for the sake of facilitation in the. Conversation i'll
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Say i'll take the over on. Three all, right let's,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: UH i have four on.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Rate so AGAIN i do that thing where LIKE i
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: put all those guys, ON i have it down to
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: six fifty six players right.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Now that's with five u. DFAs, yeah that's. Fair all.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Right this is a good, question probably a better question
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: for For fred And paul because they know the history
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit better than. Me but would the team
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: ever consider unretiring Some jersey? Numbers, PERSONALLY i think only
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: twelve and seventy three should be.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Retired, well fifty six, too which isn't technically, retired they
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: just haven't given it back. Out they should retire formally retire.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Fifteen so seventy three Is John Hannah for people that don't,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Know i'm ninety Six Andre. Tippet fifty six is Tipp.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: It SO i was talking about this the other DAY
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: u or, yesterday and we didn't get to talk a
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: ton about. It But i've been Watching Celtic. CITY i
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Think i'm seven episodes In Larry bird just, retired WHICH
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: i thought was. Cool just side, note Like Brady knight
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: was Basically Larry Bird. Night, yeah just bigger. People people
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: had said, That yeah it. Was it was the, Inspiration, yeah,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Certainly and you Know Magic johnson being With, Bird peyton
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: being With. Brady it was. Definitely it was funny Because
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: i've been Watching Celtic city With jess Because i'm such
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: a Big celtics. Fan she's trying to get to know
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: the history of the team a little bit better and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: uh and she, said, oh it's just Like Brady. KNIGHT
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: i was, like, yeah like it literally is just Like Brady.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Knight side. Note, uh BUT i think that there's a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: really would be a really cool AND i get the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: history of The patriots is not as interesting as the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: history of The patriots or The celtics is not as you,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: know is way more interesting than The patriots. History, uh
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: but you, know just based off the, winning but people
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: our age and, younger Like John, hannah you, know you,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Know Bruce, Armstrong Ben, Coates Jenny, Cappelletti Comandre, Tippett Stanley,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Morgan Russ. Francis who's the freaking corner THAT i can't
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: believe On Mike, haynes did you Say Sam Bam cunning,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Here Sam bam like all these. NAMES i don't think
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: that at like it's not talked about because there didn't
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: win at the level of A russell or A bird
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: or A Hale check or something like, that so it's
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: not the brew it's not The celtics. History but, like
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: isn't there wouldn't it be cool to have like a
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: doc Like Celtic city that like went from like nineteen
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: sixty on and gave some flowers to like some of these,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: people because we're talking about The Patriots hall Of, fame
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: and you, Know Adam viniti got a question in here
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: kind of a comment in the emails as well about
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: How vinitary wasn't a Career patriot and he went to
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: The colts and you, know he played more years for
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: The colts than he did with The. Patriots AND i
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: just think that there's a, real like A Celtic Cities
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: city style documentary which really goes through the history of
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: The patriots and some of their great players that, know
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: they weren't on dynasty teams and it wasn't that, Great
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: BUT i think it would be.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: COOL i mean a lot of, people Maybe i'm coming
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: across as is too much of a kid. Here aren't
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy six or for a, while maybe this
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: has changed in the last like ten fifteen. Years, yeah
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: weren't the nineteen seventy Six patriots considered for a while
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: one of the better teams to not make A Super.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Bowl, yeah and That's, dallas you, know seventy, six eighty, five,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: yeah ninety six are like those were the three best
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: teams In patriot history until The.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Dynasty one of those teams in the SIXTIES i think
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: is up there.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Too but, yeah, yeah and like the team in seventy
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: six is absolutely, loaded like with Like hall of, Famers, yeah,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: NO i have it.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Here Steve grogan was the. Quarterback you Have Sam, cunningham,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Yea Marlon, Brisco Darryl, Stingley Russ francis at tight end
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: your offensive, Line Pete, Brock Leon, Gray John. Hannah, like, dude, people,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: REALLY i don't think you Said Julius, Addles Joyce adams
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: before he has a case to be in The hall Of.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Fame We Ray.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Hamilton, yeah like they're gonna have any other great linebackers
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Then Tim, fox.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Younger, people AND i include, Myself Like i'm not saying
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: this to like back in my, day like, no like
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Like Leon gray was, Awesome Like Leon gray was a
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: really good. Player yeah you know like that that's a
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: really good. Player he.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Was actually if you go back and, watch BECAUSE i
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: think the full video Of John Hannah's Patriots hall Of
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: fame speed Or, no it was when they Put Leon gray. In,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: yeah And John hannah he since passed. Away John hannah
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: gave a really awesome speech About Leon.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Gray was it dear bledsoe got in no with With Gil. Santos, Yeah,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: no this. Was this was like Maybe vince or Or
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: rodney two thousand whatever was if you want to hear
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: some awesome stories about the old School, Patriots John hannah
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: had some great stories about him And Leon. Gray on the.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Retiring number thing, Though SO i don't think you should
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: unertur numbers because it's not fairly.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Guys these numbers are.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Retired also for what it's worth just objectively, aesthetically we're
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: not missing out on that many great.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Numbers twenty is a good.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Number but it's, gino Mister, patriot not touching. That like
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: it's Like Johnny, pesky you're really missing seventy, Nine no
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: offense to Jim Ley. Hunt, no you really missing seeing
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: seventy nine out.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: There. No what they should do is they should retire fifty.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Six ye stop retiring numbers after fifty six and do
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: some sort of ring of. Honor AND i guess that's
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: what The Patriots hall Of fame. Is but there should
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: be something in, this something in that maybe you put
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: a banner with all the names on it or something
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: something in the stadium that represents.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: It is really, cool and there's multiple stadiums that are like,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: this but you, know going to some of the historic
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: like going To lambeau and seeing all those names Of Curly,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: lamba you, know like all the way across the, stadium
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: like in the, ring like Literally ring Of honor Across
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: lambeau like. THAT i, mean the, History like that's really.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Cool Like i'm not a big history, guy but it
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: was still really cool to see. That SO I I i.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Agree you can't unretire the. Numbers that's not. Fair you.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Know there's a lot of talk about numbers and retiring
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: numbers and unretiring Because Abdul carter asked for fifty six
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: From Lawrence, taylor which good For Lawrence, Taylor like, yeah
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: like go get your own, number, Dude like, No I'm Lawrence.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Taylor uh, no good for. HIM i feel the same
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: way about like The patriots retired, numbers you, know Because
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: i've seen a lot of people like why do you
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: retire numbers to begin, with, nobody AND i mean nobody
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: is wearing twelve for The New England patriots never, Again
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: like are you kidding? Me like obviously not like you're
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: not doing. That LIKE i personally would probably, retire would
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: think about retiring eighty seven as. Well that's the greatest
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: tight end of all.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Time SO i Have by the, Way Leon gray got
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: in With Rodney, harrison which.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: Is, YEAH i figured it was around.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: There so, LIKE i think the purpose of retired number
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: one once you were, tire once you reissue in numbers too,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: late it clearly wasn't important. Enough, Yeah so like when
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: when the eighty, seven when The.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Red sox.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Retired Wade boggs, number Brock holt had to stop wearing.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: It to, me it's about the mental association of that
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: number in that, font in those colors means something, like
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: it's one of the stupidest things in sports that The
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Miami heat Have Michael jordan's number, retired, Right Jackie robinson's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: another thing that fine retiring the number of players who
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: didn't play for your, team to me is dumb because
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: the idea is like when you see AND i see
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: they have different, uniforms now so it doesn't happen as
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: much in. Games like in, Practice i'll be out there
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: And i'll see thirty seven if it's a defensive, player
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: if it's in, blue and like everyone so, on a
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: little thing in the back my head Goes Ronnie. Harrison,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: yeah Because i'm thinking about the practice footage on The
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Super bowl DVDs and on you, KNOW nfl films Of
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: Rodney harrison in the blue thirty seven or it. Had it,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: happens especially when the number hasn't been worn by another prominent, player,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Right it'll also happen with guys like more recently twenty.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Eight still See James, white like the thing in the
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: back of my. Head SO i think that's what retired
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: numbers are. About that you have a certain snociation with
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: that number in those colors and those font that like
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be looking at that like.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: That it means.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Something that visual image means. Something so you're moving on
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: from that should be. Rare BUT i do think there's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: a point to. It but like with, FOOTBALL i get
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: it's different because there's so many it's hard on the.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: ROSTER i think the other thing THAT i would like
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: more in pro, football, yeah is one of the few
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: THINGS i like about college football wich IS i love
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: that certain numbers mean something in college football that is very,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Cool like seven AT. Lsu eighteen AT lsu is another
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: one that means something LIKE i love that those that
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: they have, That and like with The, PATRIOTS i think it's,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: like obviously twelve is OFF, limcaf no one's ever gonna
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: work twelve, again but it's right there with certain, numbers
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: like twenty four is your top, Corner, yeah fifty four
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: is your top. Linebacker, yeah Although Brian waters did it,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: proud but, yes, yeah but, like, uh you, know maybe
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: eighty or eighty one is the receiver. Number, Yeah Randy
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: moss wore eighty, one sixty sixty at, Center, yeah sixty at.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Center you, know eighty seven at tight end is like
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: your number one tight. End i'm all for like guys
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: like having you, know the freedom depict their numbers. Too
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: BUT i just feel like that's kind of. Cool and
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: that's how the whole.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Concept Of jersey numbers. Started, Yeah, yankees it was their batting,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: war right. Right SO i would love the idea of
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: AN nfl team being, like all, right like you're in this,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: role you get this number.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: And like would it be? Kind and, look he wanted
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: to pick, zero that's totally his, decision but, like wouldn't
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: it have been? Cool and maybe it's just cool Because
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: i'm a person that creates, content so it would be
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: cool for the. Content but if Like tylaw and Like
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Stefan gilmour And Drell reevis like came out and like
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: Gave Christian gonzalez twenty four and we're, like you know
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: your next, kid, right like maybe like fifty.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Six it's like The Star. Pass it's, cool like it's franchise.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: History so this is something THAT i don't think this
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: would work in THE. Nfl michigan did. This they don't
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: do it, anymore but they. Did instead of retiring, numbers
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: if you wear that, number there was a patch on
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: the jersey yah that had two or three one two
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: or three.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Names depending on the history the number that like wrecking.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: NICE i Remember Devin garder wearing ninety eight was super
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: weird For, michigan but he had some connection or something
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: to one of the guys that would warn, it and
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: so he had there's a patch on the jersey that
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: said the guy's name on.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: It like that was really.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: COOL i don't think that would work in THE nfl
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: because the league wants everything to be so uniform right
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: within the, uniforms so they're not going to have. That but,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: LIKE i, know just JUST i, THOUGHT i just love
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: that about. COLLEGE i think that it's like it's really.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Cool you, know obviously they're but it's like an.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Honor and then there's like it's really cool when you
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: look at the history of like you, know all the
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: players AT lsu that wore with, seven, right that With,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: campbell like all the players that wore, that Like Patrick
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: peterson and like these superstar players that have come THROUGH.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Lsu like it's just a cool element to the whole.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Thing and like you hand it, down it's like a big.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: THING a lot of, schools like you have to earn
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: a single digit. Number you can't wear a single digit
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: number right, away. Right Uh, no it's it's it's a
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: really cool it's it's a really cool. THING i don't
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: think it would work in THE nfl because the other
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: part of it is you have this roster turnover a
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: reason every four years you have a whole new. Rosters
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: you can continue to give it. Out it kind of changes.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Things BUT i do like the, idea, like all, right,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: sixty that's your starting. Center, yeah you, know all, right
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: eighty seven is the starting tight. End twenty four is the, corner, right,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: YEAH i, DO i do like.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: That, yeah all, right let's Take mark's call and then
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: but they should retire fifty. Six it's out of. Circulation
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: it is out of. Circulat but, WELL i Think andre
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: deserves The. YEAH i don't know what the story is
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: there because the works for the, organization and like it's
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: out of. CIRCULATION i don't know if it's. Beneficial mark
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: is In. Connecticut what's, Up?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: Mark, hey, Guys always appreciate you guys taking my, Call
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: love you, guys of, course just a quick. Thing evan our,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: GUY C.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 7: J debray loved this.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: Kid apparently he had like five or six other offers
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: drafted free agent offers from other, teams and supposedly the
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: reason why he came here was because he Wanted Mike
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: rabel to coach, him and that is. Huge so thinking about,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: that it's almost like The Tom brady days are, back
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: when players are going to now want to start coming
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: here because you, know it used to be because Of Tom.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: Brady now hopefully players are gonna want to come here
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: because Of Mike. Brabel and then the other take was
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: The celtics then they really need to lay the hammer
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: down and just stop chucking up threes and just really
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: get that killer instinct and just drive the hoop when
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: you've got players in foul, trouble you, know just keep
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: driving the.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: Hoop you.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 7: Know that's my take on.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: Everything love you.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks, Mark thanks Said dupre signed here because Of.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Rabel he, said oh, yeah, yeah, YEAH i mean multiple.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Overage it's a little you.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Know ONE udfa is a little bit away from saying
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: like to Draw Tom, brady but it's a.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: Design. Yeah now there's multiple guys though in free agency
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: too That i've spoken about. That mark, segued it's the
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: last five minutes of the show In may you guys
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: can stomach Some celtics top BUT i want to this
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: is actually LIKE i want to make this about football,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: though because what's going the conversation around The celtics and
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: people that aren't basketball. Fans The celtics shot sixty three
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: pointers In game one against The, knicks which they, lost
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: instead OF nba record with forty five missed three, pointers
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: so basically they historically they were historically bad from three
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: On monday, night and they just kept. Chucking they kept
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: on chucking. Threes And alex AND i for the last
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: two days in our texts have literally not stopped arguing
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: about this Because i'm A Celtics green. TEAMER i couldn't
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: cut me.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: Open, apparently blowing a twenty point lead to a team
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: From New, york an inferior team From New, york is
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: now considered.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Acceptable, NO i didn't say that because they got one,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: ring so to KNOW i can do. It SO i
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: think it's interesting, though because this kind of goes back
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: to Our Ben Johnson Mike rabel. Debate it's literally just
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: The Ben johnson my.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Friend it's literally the Same Kyle shanahan.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: Debate it's the same you use The Kyle shanahan, line, which,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: like you, know you got from me kind, Of but
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: that's all, RIGHT i got we were texting about, it
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: and he got there together and then he had to
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: we we got there, together and then you had to
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: take a shot At Kyle. Shanahan it works tax thing
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: About rory kind. Of so here's the thing though about
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: this with. Football you, know basically your, ARGUMENT i think
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: is that like the nerds in football just want to
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: throw the ball all the time and and you know,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: whatever being sort of be, aggressive go for it all the.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Time and the three point the volatility is similar to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: the three. Points, well it's just, look so do The.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: Celtics here's WHERE i Think i'm different from the what
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: you're hearing yelled. At you do The celtics in a
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: bubble philosophically shoot too many three.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Pointers, Overall it's probably a little more Than i'd, like
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: but like they're good at. It it's what they're built.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: FOR i don't think night in and night, out The
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: celtics shoot too many.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Threes my bigger issue is there are going to and
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: this is this goes back to shanahanting they are going
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: to be some knights or certain situations where it no
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: longer makes sense to shoot. Threes and the math, coaches
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: whether it be in, football whether it be in, basketball
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: certainly happens a lot. Baseball, yeah refuse to adjust from
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: their strategy because the spreadsheet tells them this is what
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: you need to do to win the. Game the spreadsheet
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: was created before the, game not when you're up twenty
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: points in the third quarter or two touchdowns in the
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter of The Super, bowl but they continue to
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: go bombs away when, really all you gotta do with
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: this big lead is just run out the. Clock and
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: it's maybe not mathematically, sexy but it's how you're gonna
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: win the. Game Miami, football give you another, One like
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: when they refuse to take that knee last. Year, yeah,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: right because they wanted to add rushing yards or, whatever and.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: They fumbled And Georgia tech won the. Game, like at
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: a certain, point just win the.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Game don't worry about the box, score don't worry about
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: your YOUR epa or. Whatever it is a, basketball expected
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: shots something.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah just two, different very different. Things just grind
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: it out and win the. Game that's my big.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Problem SO i think, That and so just to, Finished,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: yeah The celtics are good enough that they can win multiple.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Weights that's what makes them a great. Team it's not
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: as easy Without porzingis on the. FLOOR i wonder if
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: it plays out differently With porzingis In game one if
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: he had been.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: Healthy but like they did. It this is what makes
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: it so.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Frustrating they did it against The MAGIC i saw them
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: do it last year against the The.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: Mavericks the just. Insistency it almost.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: Took me back To game one of the, season which they,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: won but what they missed the last nineteen three pointers
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: trying to break the.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: Record just go to the. Paint you can do. It
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: you have the ability to do.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: It Jalen brown's at his best when he just puts
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: his shoulder into a defender and. Goes You Carl Anthony
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: towns on what four or five fouls hunt him on the.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Floor but, No Kyle shanahan has to Have Jimmy garoppolo
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: throw the ball deep in the fourth quarter of The
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: Super bowl up two, scores because that's what the math.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: Said Catching strat's what killed. Me, Okay SO i would
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: say that for me, personally you, KNOW i HEAR i
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: lean more towards math than than your side of the.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: Street But Joe mizzoula takes it even a little bit
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: further THAN i would, like, because first of, ALL i
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: think the biggest thing With missoula, is you, Know i'm
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: a big subscriber in football to you pass the. Score
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: you run to, win, Right so you pass to get
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: to get the, lead and you once you get the,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: lead that's when possession and and clock and all that
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff starts to come into, play especially in
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of. Games, now it's Not Super, bowl
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly apples to apples with basketball and. Football
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: it's not the same sport where like in football you
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: could literally possess the ball for ten straight, Minutes, like
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: you can't do, that RIGHT u in. Basketball but it's
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: similar in the sense that if you have a twenty
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: point lead in the third, quarter, like you don't need
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: to win by, forty, Right so just trade blows with
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: them for the next fifteen minutes and roll off into the,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: sunset and you're you're a squeaky. Coin you won the.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Game even if you're trade here's a math for. You
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: you're up, twenty, right even if you're trading threes for.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: Twos, yeah what does that take?
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Eleven, no that's gonna take twenty one, baskets twenty one
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: possessions right for them to just tie the.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: Game and NOW i think that the In Joe's slight,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: DEFENSE i think the analytics people that the the questions
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: that they bring up are, okay, well like we just
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: go into like the four corners, offense, right, like and
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: we just you, know eat clock and take this. Shot
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: clock all the way down and that's like throwing us
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: off the rhythm of our typical, game, Right.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: But it's not just but they Didn't this is my.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: Point they didn't have the rhythm like it was clear
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: they were. Cold and this is what the math doesn't.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Have it's the human element of these guys don't have.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Tonight they were really good pick and roll. Team The
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: knicks were sitting on the three for most of that.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: Game run a pick and, roll get a.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: Layup so now the bigger the bigger thing though for
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: the nerds is that they look at it over the
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: course of a seven game, series, right so they, say
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: what are the odds that we're gonna shoot twenty seven
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: percent from three over the course of seven full. Games
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: we might it might happen to us once like it
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: did the other, night and we might lose a, game
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: but the odds are more in our favor that four
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: times out of seven we're gonna shoot it well enough
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: to win the.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Game, okay when you're when you're up twenty and you've
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: missed what, five, six, seven isn't there something to be
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: said for you, KNOW i know it's a, cliche but
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: it's talked about for a. Reason you gotta see one
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: go in get to the. Rim either draw, fouls you
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: get free, throws or get a. Layup and Like i'm
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: not saying they couldn't shoot another.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: Three for the rest of the. Night can't you just
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: get one layup just to kind of flip the. Momentum,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: yeah SO i agree with like you on more than
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: you probably, think BECAUSE i do agree with you that
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: all these nerd, coaches WHO i, love by the, way
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: but this is this is WHAT i, say BUT i
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: think it was the open of the show the other.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Week, yeah you love them until they do something that's
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: dumb because of the, math and then you disown.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Them all these nerd coaches are are just allergic to
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: the run to win, aspect, right like they're allergic to
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: we built a twenty point lead with five minutes ago
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: in the third. Quarter now we don't need to build
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: a lead. Anymore we just need to maintain the. Lead
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: and that should change the way you play.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Adjustments it's All i'm asking and they don't ask you
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: For and let me be, CLEAR i still think The
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: celtic's gonna win the.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Title, yeah so this is more just so that's the
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: caveat for everybody, Though it's, like, WELL i still think
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: they're gonna, win but, right they're gonna. Win the game Is.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Boston this Is.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: Boston IF i can't be annoyed blowing a twenty point
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: lead to a team From New, york what even are we? Anymore,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: okay so last thing on, this then we have to
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: go my bigger gripe With Joe mizula in this, game
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: BECAUSE i. WON'T i refuse to get on the math
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: thing LIKE i refuse to do. It so my biggest
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: gripe was On Joe mizula in this. GAME i thought
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: that his substitution patterns. Stunk AND i also thought that you,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: know his ato's and end a game handling stunk as.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Well but the substitution, PATTERNS i don't feel like this
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: is being talked about a. Ton SO i Thought pritchard
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: actually had to go in a little. Bit in game,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: ONE i had twelve.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: POINTS i think in like twenty three, minutes and then
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: they can't buy a bucket in the fourth, quarter and
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: they they can't find like a two or three minute
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: stretch to see If pritcher can provide a, spark like
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: he's the same original player can't make. It he's a
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: sixth man of The, year, right like, literally Like i'm
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: not asking for him to. Close LIKE i understand why
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: you close With Holiday white The jays and Now, horford
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: like that's your close and. FIVE i get. It but
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: like with six minutes ago in the fourth quarter and
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: The knicks now have tied the, game and you haven't
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: scored a basket five on, five you, know not from
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: the free throw line or whatever in like ten, Minutes
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: like don't you think that the like the literal microwave
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: off the bench that you have sitting there might come
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: in and hit some seven in a.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: Row so the math tells us that the number has
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: to regress back or progress back to the. Means so
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: so that's let these guys keep chucking because eventually they'll
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: hit one because you, know, mentally it's not changing them at.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: All having this thing that bothered. Me, No, No pritchard
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: late bothered. ME i thought that he could provide a,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: spark and then The houser minutes were just like out
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and just.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: TERRIBLE i think that LOSING i Think porzingis was supposed
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: to play a big role in the, series and losing him.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: Through everythingzings they Lost porzingis. Early, no you still to
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: be able to, adjust you still so, yeah but as
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: a bench, player and this is in any, sport but
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: like especially in, basketball Like Sam hauser didn't, play, yeah
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: for the first half of the, game and then with
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: five minutes ago in the third, quarter with The knicks
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: making a, comeback they just threw him into the. Game,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: YEAH i.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: DON'T i, AGAIN i think Port zinglis was supposed to
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: play more, minutes and Then cornett hasn't been playing well
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: and there so he was just the next. Guy rotation got, messed,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: right you, know should they have gone To? Caada should
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: they have gone To Xavier.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: Tillman BUT i Just housers like a rhythm. Shooter all
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: of a, sudden he has a couple of wide open
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: threes that he, bricks, right he normally makes if you
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: had gotten him like a little bit of run in
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: the first half and he's into the, game he's had.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: It like those were big, shots like wide open threes
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: that he typically makes that were big shots in the.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: Game and he was cold coming off the, Bench, like,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: yeah everybody was, cold but this they. Did they didn't
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: just to being. Cold that was story of the.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: Night but the thing that bothered me the most that
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: didn't relate to The, math although kind of relate to The.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: Math they were doing a really good job running those
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: foul tolls. Up and again they Had Karl Anthony towns
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: what four or five, thousand third quarter very, early and
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: they should have been hunting him more and they. Didn't
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: and some of that is because they wanted the. Threes but,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: like get the switch and the nick to the next.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: Credit they were good at playing off the switch and
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: making Sure towns wasn't. Exposed but like take advantage of,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: that get your, mismatches but Get Jalen brown Or Jason
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: tatum on A Karl Anthony towns on the, switch go
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: to the. Basket he's either gonna have to leave you
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: alone he can easy lay, up or he's gonna value
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna take one of their best players out
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: Game all, Right, well thanks for humoring us With celtics.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: Talk but there's definitely some parallels there with The celtics
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: conversation right now with The math and the nerds and
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: your Boy fellger yelling it's a human, Game, like no,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: KIDDING i understand there's not cgi athletes running. Around it's.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: Mental you miss so many shots in a, row it's.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: Mental you have to get. It get they're, humans they're
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: not they're not.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: Robot, WELL i like our looks doesn't mean anything when
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: guys are in their head about.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: It, well they normally make those. Shots they, did but they. Weren't,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: okay well they it's not it's because they may will
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: take the same shots they took On monday night and
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: they'll make.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: THEM i hope they don't shoot a three for like
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: ten minutes.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: Tonight, well that would worry me because then they then
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: they're listening to You bozo's too much at the sports
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: ub over.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: There all, Right No joe's gonna come out of him
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: shoot twenty threes in a.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: Row all. Right, well we'll be back next. Week hopefully
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: this all this will be in better shape than they
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: are right now in terms of the. Series but we'll
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: be back next. Week Rookie mini. Caamp hopefully this weekend
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: we'll get a look in on, that so we'll talk about.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: That we'll do our, roster we, said on the defensive
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: side of the, ball and as always we'll take your
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: calls and, Emails so thanks very. Much for, listening for,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: watching for, commenting and we'll see you guys next. Week,
• 2:04:27
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