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ITB Week 5 Pregame Show With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles Vs. Jacksonville Jaguars · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Inside the Birds pregame show. I'm
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan, and of course we have
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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell. He's going to help us preview, give us
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Speaker 1: a tape-based preview of this big Week 5 matchup in
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Speaker 1: London for the Eagles as they face the Jacksonville Jaguars,
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Speaker 1: the red-hot Jacksonville Jaguars, who are 3-1. The Eagles, not
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Speaker 1: so red-hot, two-game losing streak, 2-2, coming off a really
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Speaker 1: tough loss to the Rams last Sunday. And If I
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Speaker 1: were to talk about the Rams loss being tough, Adam,
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Speaker 1: that would probably be ninth on the list of things
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Speaker 1: that are tough for the Eagles right now. The first
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Speaker 1: eight would be injuries here, there, everywhere, but obviously the
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Speaker 1: offensive line. We'll go through the injuries, but before I
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Speaker 1: get into each one, I mean, this is a really,
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Speaker 1: really perilous situation for them.
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Speaker 2: It is, and if we were doing power rankings, at
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Speaker 2: least mine, I'd have the Jaguars as the number one team,
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Speaker 2: so they're facing them. They're playing great football. We'll get
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Speaker 2: into the injuries. They're very healthy. The only one starter
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Speaker 2: is probably not going to play. But the Eagles ended
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Speaker 2: the week with 15 players on their injury report. There
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Speaker 2: is some good news, though. There was a strange ad
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Speaker 2: of Jalen Hurts, so he's going to be fine. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's clear to play. But that was a surprise that
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Speaker 2: he was added after Friday's practice. So it's not good.
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Speaker 2: It's not ideal. The craziness of the changes of the
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Speaker 2: offensive line, which last week nobody knew about because Howie
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Speaker 2: Wilson wasn't thinking either that he's going to lose two linemen.
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Speaker 2: But it is what it is. They'll do the best
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Speaker 2: that they can. The coaches are on the spotlight. There's
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Speaker 2: no question about it. They have major challenges this week
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Speaker 2: on both sides of the football. And we'll get into that.
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Speaker 1: So let's recap it for Greg, because I know Greg
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Speaker 1: has no idea that all this happened. But Greg, Lane
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Speaker 1: Johnson retired. Cam Juergens got traded to Baltimore. And Drew
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Speaker 1: Kendall is going to be out for this game. Is
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Speaker 1: that all? Make sense?
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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I thought that Adam was a
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Speaker 3: few minutes late because I thought maybe he got a
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Speaker 3: call to try out for the offensive line for the
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Speaker 3: game this week, you know?
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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm down to 207.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, he's lost too much weight, man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be a little different. And we'll get into
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Speaker 3: how that impacts this game in particular. But obviously, the
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Speaker 3: cohesion that you want in your O-line is not going
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Speaker 3: to be there. And that element is a big deal.
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Speaker 3: You can talk about individual players, but the cohesion is
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Speaker 3: the bigger issue. It is. All right.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about these injuries for the Eagles. We'll
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Speaker 1: get to them on offense. Saquon Barkley is going to
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Speaker 1: continue to be out. Hollywood Brown is going to continue
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Speaker 1: to be out. Now, the good news– well, Devontae Smith,
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Speaker 1: I should say, also continuing to be out with the hamstring.
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Speaker 1: I know that there's some optimism that maybe next week
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Speaker 1: he'll be able to play, but out for this game
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Speaker 1: at least. But, Adam, there is the return of Dallas Goddard,
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Speaker 1: which I suppose is reason for some optimism. Huge.
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Speaker 3: It's huge, though.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far.
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Speaker 2: No, but we don't know what level of proficiency he'll
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Speaker 2: be at. But think about it.
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Speaker 1: He could be an all-pro, but if you can't block
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Speaker 1: it up, which we're going to get into.
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Speaker 2: You're not listening. They need someone who can actually move
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Speaker 2: and catch the football at that position. Johnny Muntz cannot
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Speaker 2: catch that position.
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Speaker 3: E.J.
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Speaker 2: Jenkins was out of the injury report, by the way,
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Speaker 2: although he's expected to be available. And Zach Ertz is
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Speaker 2: not a speed demon on being nice to Zach at
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Speaker 2: 36 years old. So they need somebody who can move.
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Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard would be that guy. Now, what level of
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Speaker 2: proficiency is that? Who the hell knows? He's dealing with
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Speaker 2: what I understand is a grade two MCL sprain. It's
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Speaker 2: a moderate sprain. That's a three to four week injury.
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Speaker 2: He's around that mark. That's why, you know, I was
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Speaker 2: telling our Patreon folks earlier this week, look out for
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Speaker 2: him before practice starts, because this is around the time
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Speaker 2: he could start working. You never know. And getting him
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Speaker 2: back is big. And also, by the way, Don Taving Wicks,
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Speaker 2: who had an injury scare on Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: He took all his normal reps. He does have, he
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Speaker 2: does have a game status as it, so he's going
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Speaker 2: to play unless something happens in pregame warm-ups. But they
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Speaker 2: have a lot of soft tissue injuries, a ton of them.
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Speaker 2: And this is one of the best training staffs that
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Speaker 2: they've put together in years. If you remember, Dr. Peter
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Speaker 2: DeLuca left, then he came back. Tom Hunkley came. He
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Speaker 2: was with the Eagles many years ago, then went to Minnesota,
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Speaker 2: I think, with Brad Childress. He's back. Like, they have
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Speaker 2: a great training staff. I don't quite understand why this
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Speaker 2: has all happened this week. It could just be one
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Speaker 2: of those things.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, every once in a while it happens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Bad luck, but they're going to have
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Speaker 2: some reinforcements. It doesn't mean they're going to win the game,
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Speaker 2: but they have a little better chance.
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Speaker 3: Right, right.
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Speaker 1: And I do understand your point on Goddard, and I
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Speaker 1: was listening to you, but my point is Dallas Goddard
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Speaker 1: had a great year last year. He caught 11 touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: He was very functional in the past game. Probably their
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Speaker 1: best weapon in the past game with his 11 touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: And what were we saying about the Eagles offense all
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Speaker 1: year last year? It stunk. Not for his fault, but
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Speaker 1: because they can't run, they can't block, and their passes
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Speaker 1: are sporadic. So my point is, yes, him coming back helps.
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Speaker 1: It gives them a body. It doesn't give me any
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Speaker 1: more confidence that they're three to seven points better because
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Speaker 1: of it. It's just a guy out there. But their
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Speaker 1: offensive line issues are actually worse than they've been, and
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Speaker 1: we'll get to that now. Drew Kendall was in the
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Speaker 1: medical tent last week. Went back in the game, wasn't
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Speaker 1: much said about it, but obviously popped up on the
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Speaker 1: injury report and didn't practice this week for a knee. So...
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Speaker 1: This offensive line is probably going to look, Greg, I
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Speaker 1: promise we'll get to you in a second.
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Speaker 3: No, it's fine.
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Speaker 1: We've got to get through the minutiae here of what
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Speaker 1: this offensive line is going to look like. So it's
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Speaker 1: obviously the Eagles signed Jake Majors to the 53 on Friday.
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Speaker 1: So he's going to play and we're going to either
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Speaker 1: see is Jake Majors the center with Willie Lampkin at
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Speaker 1: left guard? Is Jake Majors the left guard with Willie
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Speaker 1: Lampkin at center? Either way, you package that with Markel Bell. Now, again,
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Speaker 1: starting for just the second time in his career against
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Speaker 1: this Jacksonville front. Adam, it's going to be tough. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is the worst situation you could have imagined for
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Speaker 1: the Eagles.
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Speaker 2: It would seem like Majors would be at center and
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Speaker 2: Willie Lampkin at left guard. By the way, this is
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Speaker 2: actually another piece of minor good news. Fred Johnson has
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Speaker 2: no game status designation, so he's clear to play with
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Speaker 2: that knee issue. And he's another guy who got hurt
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Speaker 2: in practice the last couple weeks. That's another epidemic they've had.
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Speaker 2: These guys getting hurt in practice, that doesn't happen a lot.
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Speaker 2: But that's good. He's going to be available. Now, I
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Speaker 2: still believe that it's going to be Markel Bell, based
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Speaker 2: on several factors, in addition to them wanting to know
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Speaker 2: what he can do. This is a tough front. Greg
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Speaker 2: will break down the front. But they're going to at
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Speaker 2: least have more players for this game. As you said,
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be a seven-point difference, but they
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Speaker 2: could be more competitive. Goddard could catch the football. We
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Speaker 2: can debate how good of a blocker he is. He
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Speaker 2: used to be very good. But at least they're going
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Speaker 2: to have more players. But as you noted, and you're right,
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Speaker 2: the interior of this offensive line is scary. Like this
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Speaker 2: is the center and left guard. You're going to have
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Speaker 2: two guys who have shorter than 32-inch arms. Think about that.
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Speaker 3: Not good.
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Speaker 1: Against a guy like Eric Armstead in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the– who has long arms, if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: Armstead has long arms.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Greg, I would love to ask you for a quick
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Speaker 1: tape breakdown of either Willie Lampkin or Jake Majors, but
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Speaker 1: I know not to because the tape doesn't exist. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what? Wait, hold on one sec.
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Speaker 3: Is Jake Majors a rookie or a second-year guy?
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Speaker 1: Second-year, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I believe I did Jake Majors coming out of Texas.
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Speaker 3: So he would have been in the 2025 draft, correct? Correct, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm almost sure I did Jake Majors. I'm pulling out
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Speaker 3: my notes. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I believe he started 36 games.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't do him. I don't know. I can't remember.
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Speaker 3: But Jake Majors. I did him.
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Speaker 2: Go. Do it. What do you got?
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Speaker 3: I said Majors is not as big as you'd ideally like,
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Speaker 3: and he possesses short arms, and those two measurables could
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Speaker 3: well take him off the board for some teams. And
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Speaker 3: there is no question he is an offensive center only prospect.
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Speaker 3: But the tape tells the story of a quality OC
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Speaker 3: who played with outstanding vision and awareness and understanding. and
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Speaker 3: a fundamental execution and control that showed up snap after snap.
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Speaker 3: Myers was an elite one-on-one pass protector with a refined
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Speaker 3: understanding of how to use his hands. He struck early
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Speaker 3: with his hands inside and played with a strong base
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Speaker 3: to control bigger de-tackles, and there were not many pass
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Speaker 3: protection snaps in which he was beat. The concerns with
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Speaker 3: Majors result from his size and arm length, but the
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Speaker 3: tape shows a higher-level OC prospect, with consistent execution as
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Speaker 3: both a run blocker and pass protector. And my sense
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Speaker 3: is majors will find a home in the NFL. Good.
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Speaker 1: Guess what? He found it. Yeah, it was on the
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Speaker 1: practice squad for the Eagles up until now, and now
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Speaker 1: he's on the 53, and we'll see. I mean, having
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Speaker 1: read all that, Greg, I'm sure you would still have
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Speaker 1: some real curiosities and perhaps concerns about how he's going
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Speaker 1: to play left guard.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think he's a guard, but that's my opinion.
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Speaker 3: But obviously, don't forget, he started 56 games at Texas,
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Speaker 3: which was a Texas program record. So he's played a
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Speaker 3: lot of football against quality opponents. For sure.
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Speaker 2: For sure.
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Speaker 1: So that is the situation facing the Eagles offensive line
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Speaker 1: and their injuries on offense. On defense, they will again
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Speaker 1: be without Marcus Epps. So you'll expect to see some
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Speaker 1: Michael Carter II there. Jonathan Grenard, Adam, this one's interesting
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Speaker 1: because he's I think that that's, that's encouraging, but it's
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Speaker 1: sort of discouraging in the bigger picture of once again,
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Speaker 1: you don't still have a 100% Jonathan.
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Speaker 2: By the way, he didn't practice all week, but yet
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Speaker 2: he's questionable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That was also, that is a questionable designation. Now they,
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Speaker 2: it is literally. Now there's what, you know, these deferential
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Speaker 2: treatment where you, you let that like veterans, you're okay
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Speaker 2: with it. Young players. They don't, they never play. They
9:57
Speaker 2: never play when they don't practice, but you know, he's,
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Speaker 2: you know what he does. He's an edge rusher. He'll
10:03
Speaker 2: test it before the game. That's, that's the way you
10:05
Speaker 2: handle these things. And if he's able to go, go,
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Speaker 2: but you can't have a setback. Like the guy couldn't
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Speaker 2: come back to the game. They held him out of
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Speaker 2: practice all week. What is the point? Like of, of
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Speaker 2: you'd have to, he better have some, he may have
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Speaker 2: a great pregame workout in Tottenham because that's not good.
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Speaker 1: Yep. And to your point on Wicks, you know, him
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Speaker 1: only being limited in practice on Friday with the hamstring,
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Speaker 1: who knows how limited, I mean, he may have done very,
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Speaker 1: very little because they're hoping that the extra, that the
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Speaker 1: rest will get him healthy, but he could go out,
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Speaker 1: run first two routes and not feel right. I mean, that's,
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Speaker 1: to me, it's, it's, it's still, it's not a given.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be able to be out there and
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Speaker 1: be as effective.
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing also, sometimes clubs do this, that when
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Speaker 2: the guy's got a hamstring injury, which he suffered during practice,
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Speaker 2: obviously very minor because there's no way he would have
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Speaker 2: worked Friday. I don't care what he did. But sometimes
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Speaker 2: what they do is they purposely limit the player the
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Speaker 2: next day because they don't want to have a setback.
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Speaker 2: Just go out there and test it. Okay, you did fine.
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Speaker 2: We're going to pull you out. That's a plausible situation.
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Speaker 2: But at least they're going to have him. You make
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Speaker 2: a fair point of how many snaps he can handle.
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Speaker 2: We don't know. and they're shorthanded. Smitty's out. Oh, by
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Speaker 2: the way, Andrew DiCecco did a video of Devontae on Thursday.
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Speaker 2: This is important. He was actually working out vigorously. That's good.
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Speaker 2: The hope is, at the very least, he could start
11:30
Speaker 2: practicing when they return next week to face Carolina, see
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Speaker 2: where he's at. So now he's finally, we could say
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Speaker 2: he's getting closer. That's a very positive sign that he
11:38
Speaker 2: was moving around like that.
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Speaker 1: Correct. More positive signs on defense. The Eagles will have
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Speaker 1: Zach Bond. He was a full participant. He even said
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Speaker 1: he's ready to go. He's good. Feels great. Jihad Campbell,
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Speaker 1: full participant. No injury designation on him as well, despite
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Speaker 1: the knee issue that he had throughout the week. We
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Speaker 1: already mentioned Goddard. Hurts is good to go with the calf.
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Speaker 1: EJ Jenkins was on with a toe. He practiced full.
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Speaker 1: No designation for him as well, along with Fred Johnson
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Speaker 1: and Quinion Mitchell. That's huge. This was the biggest thing.
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Speaker 1: The guys on defense, to get Vaughn, Campbell, and Mitchell
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Speaker 1: is huge because as we get into– breaking down this
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Speaker 1: game and real quick from a Jaguars angle, I believe
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Speaker 1: they have a cornerback out, right? That's it.
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Speaker 2: That's no, just, there's one of the starting safeties. Who's not,
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Speaker 2: he's concussion. He didn't get cleared.
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Speaker 3: So Brown is, is good to go.
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Speaker 2: Brown's expected to go last time. I'll double check, but
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Speaker 2: I think he's playing. Yeah, he's good.
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Speaker 1: He's clear.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The good thing is if the Eagles are going to
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Speaker 1: have any chance of winning this game, it's going to
12:40
Speaker 1: have to be their defense that, Either gives them turnovers again,
12:45
Speaker 1: like it did against the Rams shuts down the Jaguars offense.
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Speaker 1: We know there's no Greg, there's no denying this is
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Speaker 1: going to be an offensive struggle for the Eagles. So
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Speaker 1: they need their defense to really play an A plus game.
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Speaker 3: It's one of those classic games and we see them
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Speaker 3: in the NFL all the time and it doesn't always
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Speaker 3: play out the way it looks on paper, but it's
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Speaker 3: one of those classic games where it looks like the
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Speaker 3: Eagles are clearly the lesser team in terms of talent
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Speaker 3: right now playing against a better team. that doesn't automatically
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Speaker 3: mean they're going to lose the game. But when you
13:16
Speaker 3: look at, when you analyze the game based on what
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Speaker 3: we've seen, and that's the only way I can do it,
13:21
Speaker 3: you know, it, it, it does not look like the Eagles.
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Speaker 3: First of all, the Eagles don't really have an explosive
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Speaker 3: weapon on offense and defensively they've, you know, they're not bad,
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Speaker 3: but you know, they're, they're, they haven't been great.
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Speaker 1: So they have not played to their standard for sure.
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 3: So, You look at this game from the offensive standpoint
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Speaker 3: and you think to yourself, how are they going to
13:46
Speaker 3: score 20 points? Right. Especially against a good defense. Based
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Speaker 3: on what we've seen and based on the fact that
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Speaker 3: it's a totally revamped O-line, there's no explosive weapon at
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Speaker 3: wide receiver. There's no explosive weapon in the backfield. As
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Speaker 3: much as we all love Dallas Goddard, let's say he's 150%,
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Speaker 3: and I'm just being sarcastic, but he's still not a
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Speaker 3: truly explosive weapon, the way you think of explosive weapons.
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Speaker 3: So you just think, okay, how are they really going
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Speaker 3: to move the ball with any consistency, not only given
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Speaker 3: the lack of explosive weapons, but the fact that they've
14:22
Speaker 3: had clear issues with the tactical element of the game
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Speaker 3: in dealing with pressure fronts and pressures. Right.
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Speaker 1: And even in the tactical element of the game of
14:31
Speaker 1: just running and getting their run game going. And Adam,
14:34
Speaker 1: it looks like Will Shipley, is going to be your
14:36
Speaker 1: primary ball carrier. But both Carson Steele and Damian Pierce
14:40
Speaker 1: were added to the 53-man roster. So I have a
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Speaker 1: feeling there'll be some activity among the backups here. But
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Speaker 1: as you've detailed many times, Adam, Pierce is not really
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Speaker 1: the greatest fit for an outside zone team. He's an inside,
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Speaker 1: pounded-up-the-middle runner. So you wonder if the coaches– I've wondered
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Speaker 1: all week if the coaches are going to just try
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Speaker 1: to run what they run and hope for the best,
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Speaker 1: or if they are going to really have locked themselves
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Speaker 1: in the room saying, what is the game plan we
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Speaker 1: can create to try to give ourselves a chance? Because
15:13
Speaker 1: it has to be different with all their injury. I
15:16
Speaker 1: feel that way. Maybe they don't. But I would think
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Speaker 1: that they really have to bring out some different or
15:21
Speaker 1: interesting stuff that caters to the strength of the personnel
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Speaker 1: that they're dealing with. Sure.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a committee. Shipley's up first. And
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Speaker 2: what I found interesting is Pierce and Steele were signed
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Speaker 2: off the practice squad. They weren't elevated. By the way,
15:34
Speaker 2: we should mention Andy Dalton was cut. It just didn't
15:37
Speaker 2: work out. They owe him $ 1. 5 million, fully guaranteed, of
15:41
Speaker 2: the $ 4 million. Carolina's on the hook for $ 2. 5 million.
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Speaker 2: And UR Bernard, by the way, was put on the
15:45
Speaker 2: rare practice squad injured list. And Steele had that one
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Speaker 2: game where he caught a ton of passes. I know
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Speaker 2: Hurts doesn't like to check the ball down, but hopefully
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Speaker 2: if Steele does get some playing time, he can do
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Speaker 2: that for him. It was a pretty dynamic game. I
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Speaker 2: know it was preseason. And Pierce is a straight-ahead runner who, remember,
16:03
Speaker 2: he had the one big year for Houston.
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Speaker 3: He was a starter for Houston. I believe it was
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Speaker 3: his rookie season, too.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And then they changed the zone. They went to West
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Speaker 2: Coast offense, and he was never the same. And Kent
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Speaker 2: City brought him in, didn't work, and here he is.
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Speaker 2: But he had a good training camp. The Eagles like him. Actually,
16:23
Speaker 2: from what I understand, the Eagles had a pretty good
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Speaker 2: grade on him for the draft. We'll see how he does.
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Speaker 2: They're going to need him because Will Shipley is not
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Speaker 2: a volume running back. He's just not.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: And one of the issues you'd see here, Craig, is
16:35
Speaker 1: that if we're going to discuss getting Damian Pierce on
16:37
Speaker 1: the field, inside runner, up the gut runner, but that
16:40
Speaker 1: is exactly right now where the Eagles are hurting most
16:44
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. I mean, I'm not expecting a great,
16:47
Speaker 1: you know, people moving defensively. driving off the ball from
16:50
Speaker 1: Lampkin and from Jake Majors, whereas your biggest guys and
16:54
Speaker 1: your best guys, your tackle, I shouldn't say Markel Bell's
16:57
Speaker 1: the best, but he is clearly a monstrous man who
16:59
Speaker 1: can move people, and the same thing with Mailata. You
17:02
Speaker 1: would think if you could get your run game going,
17:04
Speaker 1: you'd want to attack the Warriors.
17:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting. I mean, again, we don't know
17:08
Speaker 3: what the division of labor will be in the backfield,
17:11
Speaker 3: but Pierce is... You know, the player I'd compare him
17:13
Speaker 3: to stylistically, again, style I'm talking about would be a
17:16
Speaker 3: Kyron Williams. Square your shoulders, get downhill. That's stylistically the
17:21
Speaker 3: kind of back that he is. But he's strong. He's
17:23
Speaker 3: got some power to him. I mean, he's close to
17:25
Speaker 3: 220 pounds. He's not a little back. Right.
17:29
Speaker 1: Greg, what do teams, when you watch tape of all teams,
17:32
Speaker 1: because we always talk about the Eagles having an elite
17:34
Speaker 1: offensive line. A lot of teams don't. What do you
17:38
Speaker 1: see teams do when they have to compensate for, a
17:41
Speaker 1: substandard offensive line? Do they, is it extra blockers? Is
17:44
Speaker 1: it scheming? What can the Eagles do in this situation?
17:47
Speaker 3: Well, you can do multiple things. Obviously, you know, you
17:50
Speaker 3: can add an extra blocker. I don't know if the
17:52
Speaker 3: Eagles would think about putting out a sixth offensive lineman.
17:55
Speaker 3: I don't think they, my sense is that's not really
17:58
Speaker 3: the way they see it. But then what you try
18:00
Speaker 3: to do is you have to create angles in your
18:02
Speaker 3: run game. You know, whether it's with misdirection, whether, you know,
18:06
Speaker 3: those kinds of things, because it has to become angles.
18:09
Speaker 3: You know, look, keep in mind that Willie Lampkin could
18:11
Speaker 3: be blocking Eric Armstead a number of times in this game.
18:14
Speaker 3: And you're dealing with a guy that's 6'7, 6'8, you know,
18:17
Speaker 3: versus a guy that's 5'10. And it's going to look like,
18:19
Speaker 3: you know, he's blocking his son. You know, he's trying
18:22
Speaker 3: to block, you know, that, you know, Armstead's playing against
18:25
Speaker 3: his son. You know, so, you know, that's the way
18:27
Speaker 3: you have to try to do it with your run game.
18:29
Speaker 3: And by the way, that might be, that's almost a
18:33
Speaker 3: better argument for gap scheme than for zone. Because gap
18:36
Speaker 3: scheme involves angles much more than zone. So, you know,
18:40
Speaker 3: you have to make adjustments based on your talent.
18:43
Speaker 2: Right.
18:44
Speaker 3: You know, and even Majors, you know, Majors is a
18:46
Speaker 3: guy that is not as big as you like and
18:48
Speaker 3: he's got short arms. So, you know, to start battling
18:51
Speaker 3: interior defenders who are much bigger is a difficult thing
18:55
Speaker 3: to do. So we'll see, you know, what their run
18:58
Speaker 3: game looks like. Obviously, foundationally, they'd love it to be
19:01
Speaker 3: a zone run game, but that might not be the
19:04
Speaker 3: best way to go with the group that they're putting out.
19:06
Speaker 1: Which is what I've thought all week, does this coaching
19:08
Speaker 1: staff sort of regroup and say, hey, we're trying to
19:11
Speaker 1: win a game. You know, the stuff we're trying to
19:14
Speaker 1: implement for the long haul is not going to work.
19:16
Speaker 3: You know, keep in mind that we talk about Armstead, but,
19:20
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of their guys who are rotational
19:22
Speaker 3: players are tall as well. Oro Oro from Clemson is
19:26
Speaker 3: about 6'4, 6'5. Matt Dickerson is tall. Devon Hamilton is
19:31
Speaker 3: the shortest of the group, but he's a good player. So,
19:33
Speaker 3: you know, they've got a tall defensive line.
19:40
Speaker 1: The misdirection thing you brought up is very interesting, Greg,
19:42
Speaker 1: because the Eagles did have a couple of decent runs
19:45
Speaker 1: last week against the Rams using some misdirection or wide
19:49
Speaker 1: receivers motioning. So maybe that is, and that's supposed to
19:52
Speaker 1: be a big element.
19:53
Speaker 3: You're trying to make it so that the defensive line,
19:57
Speaker 3: you know, in a sense has a moment of indecision
20:00
Speaker 3: and then therefore you can get, get the angles and
20:03
Speaker 3: get the leverage. It's my guess is, and again, I'm
20:08
Speaker 3: not an offensive line guru. Maybe Willie Lampkin being short,
20:11
Speaker 3: you know, he has natural leverage being short, no question,
20:14
Speaker 3: you know, and everybody got excited in the preseason when
20:16
Speaker 3: he had those snaps where he moved people. I'd be
20:19
Speaker 3: surprised if he consistently moves Armstead in this game or,
20:23
Speaker 3: you know, the other thing too is in Trayvon Walker's
20:27
Speaker 3: playing a lot more inside in their pass rush, you know,
20:31
Speaker 3: their pass rush D line. So he's played, probably 12
20:35
Speaker 3: to 15% more than a year ago inside when they
20:38
Speaker 3: go to their third down in their pure pass situations. Right.
20:42
Speaker 2: Interesting.
20:43
Speaker 1: Okay. Definitely something to note because that can cause a
20:46
Speaker 1: lot of mismatches when people do that. I mean, we
20:48
Speaker 1: saw that with Brandon Graham for years for a while. Adam,
20:52
Speaker 1: it's fair to say this is somewhat of a litmus
20:57
Speaker 1: test as far as how do you respond to adversity
21:00
Speaker 1: when you are Sean Mannion, Josh Grisard, but also The
21:05
Speaker 1: Ryan Mahaffey's who have to design the run game, the
21:07
Speaker 1: Chris Cooper's who have to design the protection schemes. They're
21:11
Speaker 1: kind of under heat right now because some of that
21:13
Speaker 1: hasn't looked good. A lot of it hasn't looked good
21:15
Speaker 1: over the first three to four weeks.
21:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, not all of it is injury related. There's no question.
21:19
Speaker 2: They're learning this personnel. Mahaffey's new here. The other guys
21:23
Speaker 2: you mentioned are new here. They're still getting used to
21:26
Speaker 2: the personnel. It takes time. But you only have six.
21:30
Speaker 2: You only have 17 of these games. So this is
21:33
Speaker 2: a tough deal.
21:33
Speaker 3: And it's brand new personnel now from what they started
21:36
Speaker 3: this season with.
21:37
Speaker 2: A lot new, yeah. And the interior of the offensive line,
21:41
Speaker 2: two guys who just, you know, you never thought they'd
21:43
Speaker 2: be playing. In fact, you didn't want them to play
21:45
Speaker 2: for the coaches. You liked that they were good stories.
21:47
Speaker 2: Both Lampkin majors were great stories, by the way. Had
21:50
Speaker 2: really good training camps, but they're deep backups. Now, Willie Lampkin,
21:55
Speaker 2: you know, you were to the point where you're like, okay, well,
21:58
Speaker 2: maybe this guy will be our 11th lineman. Then all
22:01
Speaker 2: of a sudden now he's starting. So you can't make
22:03
Speaker 2: that up. There's no way they would have known that,
22:05
Speaker 2: and they were never thinking that way. But he has
22:08
Speaker 2: been with these coaches. These guys have been with these
22:10
Speaker 2: coaches for a while. They know what's expected of them.
22:14
Speaker 2: And it's not like they could turn to anyone else.
22:15
Speaker 2: They have to do the job. There's really literally nowhere
22:17
Speaker 2: else to go because think about it, right? Okay, Fred
22:19
Speaker 2: Johnson's been cleared. But other than that, Michael Morris is
22:24
Speaker 2: a project. I don't see it. And, you know, down
22:30
Speaker 2: the line, Juku, we'll see, based on what they've done,
22:34
Speaker 2: they still could elevate him because they signed two guys
22:37
Speaker 2: off the practice squad. Those aren't on elevation, so they
22:39
Speaker 2: could actually use– you would think they would, being that
22:42
Speaker 2: Fred's been hurt. He's been out a little bit. And
22:45
Speaker 2: Juku can play inside, who started at right tackle a
22:48
Speaker 2: couple games for the Titans a few years ago.
22:51
Speaker 1: All right, so, yeah, Greg, I would say– outside of
22:57
Speaker 1: maybe the real diehard, I think most passionate football fans
23:00
Speaker 1: in America don't know much about the Jaguars' defense from
23:04
Speaker 1: a personnel standpoint, maybe outside of Travis Hunter, and about
23:08
Speaker 1: Anthony Campanile, their defensive coordinator. What stands out about the
23:13
Speaker 1: personnel and also Campanile as a DC?
23:15
Speaker 3: Well, let's start with Campanile. He's one of the better
23:18
Speaker 3: young defensive minds in the game. He's a very interesting
23:21
Speaker 3: mix of being an aggressive Brian Flores type coach with
23:25
Speaker 3: all kinds of fronts and aggression and almost a Vic
23:28
Speaker 3: Fangio adjacent kind of coach where he plays his own
23:31
Speaker 3: concepts and rushes for. So it's a very interesting mix
23:35
Speaker 3: and he's very.
23:35
Speaker 2: Good at it.
23:36
Speaker 3: And that's kind of the way he sees himself. When
23:40
Speaker 3: it comes to personnel, they've got good personnel. You know,
23:44
Speaker 3: we know about their D line to some extent because
23:46
Speaker 3: they've got Trayvon Walker, who was a number one pick
23:48
Speaker 3: in a draft. They've got Josh Hines Allen, who's a
23:51
Speaker 3: very good edge rusher. They've got Armstead who's been in
23:53
Speaker 3: the league a long time and is a very solid player. Uh,
23:57
Speaker 3: Devon Hamilton is the Ohio state kid, a very good
23:59
Speaker 3: interior run defender. They've got good depth on the interior. Um, when,
24:04
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, they do go to a sort of
24:06
Speaker 3: a NASCAR front when, uh, often when it comes down
24:10
Speaker 3: to third down and pure pass and Walker will move
24:13
Speaker 3: inside a very overlooked player who's been in the league
24:16
Speaker 3: a number of years, but is a high intensity good
24:19
Speaker 3: player is Dennis Gardeck. Um, And he plays in their
24:22
Speaker 3: base and he plays in their sub packages. And he's
24:25
Speaker 3: a good pass rusher, but also has the ability to
24:27
Speaker 3: drop into coverage. This year through four games, they've been
24:31
Speaker 3: rotating at the corner position, three players, Travis Hunter, Monteric Brown,
24:36
Speaker 3: and a player I really like, Jerrion Jones. And Jones
24:40
Speaker 3: can play both outside and in the slot. And sometimes
24:43
Speaker 3: he does it in place of Jordan Lewis. It's a
24:46
Speaker 3: good secondary. Eric Murray and Antonio Johnson are the safeties.
24:51
Speaker 3: and they play nickel and dime. So this is a
24:53
Speaker 3: good defense, really, with a good coach that can do
24:57
Speaker 3: a lot of different things.
24:59
Speaker 1: Sounds like, and I like that, the way you phrase it,
25:04
Speaker 1: it almost sounds like he marries the best of both worlds,
25:06
Speaker 1: because Flores and Fangio couldn't be any different. But if
25:09
Speaker 1: you can have your defense execute both of those, that's special.
25:13
Speaker 3: And one player I didn't mention, who's a very good
25:15
Speaker 3: player for years, is Foye Iluokun. And he's always among
25:19
Speaker 3: the leaders in tackles. He was a safety in college
25:21
Speaker 3: at Yale. He's an athletic player, an incredibly smart player.
25:25
Speaker 3: And he's been a really good player for a lot
25:27
Speaker 3: of years.
25:28
Speaker 2: So, by the way, filling in for Mary should be
25:32
Speaker 2: Ryan Lane, who was a six-round pick last year out
25:37
Speaker 2: of Navy, the Naval Academy. So he filled in for
25:40
Speaker 2: him during the game. So other than that, though, Jeff,
25:43
Speaker 2: they're healthy like that. It's just the tale of two teams,
25:45
Speaker 2: one team terribly unhealthy and the other team healthy.
25:48
Speaker 1: It's almost rare anymore. The Eagles play a team that
25:50
Speaker 1: has this much health. I mean, it's. And then one
25:55
Speaker 1: other thing.
25:55
Speaker 3: To keep in mind, guys, as we just dig a
25:57
Speaker 3: little deeper is they're very good against the run. They
26:00
Speaker 3: they've allowed the second few shards for carrying the NFL 3.3.
26:04
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a tough team to run against.
26:06
Speaker 2: This is not. They possess the ball a lot, a lot.
26:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, you know, you're dealing with, this
26:12
Speaker 3: is a good defense. I mean, like I said, To
26:15
Speaker 3: use the cliche, it's why you play the games, you
26:17
Speaker 3: never know. But when you just look at this game
26:19
Speaker 3: and analyze it based on the process of analysis, that's
26:22
Speaker 3: all we're doing. Hey, we know some games turn out
26:27
Speaker 3: and we go, gee, how did that happen? Exactly. So
26:30
Speaker 3: you don't know. But all I'm saying is as you
26:31
Speaker 3: analyze the game based on the four games that have
26:34
Speaker 3: been played and what the tape shows, this has a
26:39
Speaker 3: mismatched feel to it. But does it turn out that way?
26:43
Speaker 3: We'll find out. you know, Sunday morning, but it's, it
26:46
Speaker 3: has a mismatched feel to it.
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Speaker 1: when we flip it and talk about the Eagles defense
29:51
Speaker 1: versus Jags offense, I almost feel like I'm saying the
29:54
Speaker 1: same thing. I don't know if most passionate football fans
29:57
Speaker 1: outside of the Jacksonville area who aren't Jags fans know
30:01
Speaker 1: a whole lot about some of the best players on
30:03
Speaker 1: the Jags. Bayshul Tootin, the running back, Parker Washington, the
30:07
Speaker 1: wide receiver. We know him from his Penn State connections,
30:09
Speaker 1: but I don't know people and how much people knew
30:12
Speaker 1: about him in Florida, you know, other than he's been
30:13
Speaker 1: there for a couple of years. And Brenton Strange, right?
30:16
Speaker 1: And Nate Berkshire. I mean, they don't have guys who
30:19
Speaker 1: you're seeing in advertisements and playing in multiple Pro Bowls,
30:22
Speaker 1: but they do have Trevor Lawrence, and he seems to
30:23
Speaker 1: be Very comfortable in Leon Cohen's offense.
30:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is actually a pretty good offense. And
30:29
Speaker 3: they have three quality wide receivers. And they do play
30:34
Speaker 3: a lot of 11 personnel. And Parker Washington is a really,
30:37
Speaker 3: really good player. I think he's going to become one
30:40
Speaker 3: of the better receivers in the league. But Brian Thomas,
30:42
Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers, they can line up with three wide outs
30:45
Speaker 3: and be very, very good. Tootin has explosive speed to him.
30:50
Speaker 3: He's a good back. Then they bring in Chris Rodriguez
30:53
Speaker 3: at times. He's the physical kind of grinder. Um, I'm
30:57
Speaker 3: a big Brenton strange fan. Um, I like him a
30:59
Speaker 3: lot and they'll play a lot. You know, they will
31:01
Speaker 3: play at a 12 personnel, even at times 13 personnel. Um,
31:06
Speaker 3: they made a change this year, moving Anton Harrison from
31:09
Speaker 3: right tackle to left tackle. And for the most part,
31:11
Speaker 3: he's fared very, very well, but they're starting the rookie
31:14
Speaker 3: Emmanuel pregnant from Oregon at left guard. He's been up
31:17
Speaker 3: and down. He's been beaten at times in past protection. Um, And,
31:21
Speaker 3: you know, maybe that's an area that the Eagles can exploit.
31:24
Speaker 3: You know, if Jalen Carter or Mario Jomo can, you know,
31:28
Speaker 3: Jomo has been the best defensive tackle on the Eagles
31:30
Speaker 3: through the first four games without question. But, you know,
31:33
Speaker 3: maybe Carter can get back to being what we know
31:36
Speaker 3: Carter can be. And maybe that's an area they can exploit.
31:40
Speaker 1: Adam, it might be interesting to see now that Campbell
31:43
Speaker 1: and Bond are healthy, will Vic Fangio, as he sort
31:46
Speaker 1: of hinted, I mean, he was just answering a question
31:49
Speaker 1: honestly about playing Jeremiah Trotter. Yeah, I could. We'll see
31:52
Speaker 1: if he decides to use Jeremiah Trotter in a role
31:55
Speaker 1: at all on the field on Sunday, if he just
31:57
Speaker 1: goes back to using his two stack linebackers.
32:01
Speaker 2: Remember we talked about leading up to the season because
32:03
Speaker 2: Trot had a great camp and Campbell played in the
32:06
Speaker 2: preseason because he had to. He just did not have
32:08
Speaker 2: a great training camp. So we mused, I wonder if Vic,
32:12
Speaker 2: we both said the same thing, could Vic find a
32:14
Speaker 2: role when Campbell's ready to be the full-time starter, which
32:18
Speaker 2: he is, is there a role that you could find
32:21
Speaker 2: for Trotter? And Vic is very matter-of-fact. When he shoots
32:24
Speaker 2: stuff down, he shoots it down. Like he goes, nope, nope, nope.
32:27
Speaker 2: He didn't shoot it down. He goes, maybe. He said, possibly.
32:29
Speaker 2: He said, possibly. So it's something to look for because
32:33
Speaker 2: Greg outlined very well on Inside the Tape, the defensive edition,
32:35
Speaker 2: which you could find on all of our platforms, about
32:38
Speaker 2: Trotter and how well he's played.
32:40
Speaker 3: He's a very good run defender. At this moment in time,
32:43
Speaker 3: he's a better run defender than Jihad Campbell. And you
32:45
Speaker 3: can well see him play in those situations.
32:47
Speaker 2: He's way more instinctive, Jeff. So, to send it back
32:50
Speaker 2: to you, it's something to watch. That's, to me, one
32:53
Speaker 2: of the under-the-radar storylines. Do they find a role for
32:57
Speaker 2: Trott Jr. going forward?
32:59
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
33:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if Trott, we
33:02
Speaker 1: saw him on some first and second downs, depending on
33:05
Speaker 1: down and distance situations, and then Campbell coming in for
33:09
Speaker 1: the pass downs. Other teams have done that. Greg, teams
33:12
Speaker 1: don't really love to rotate that kind of position, though,
33:15
Speaker 1: because it sort of gives a tell sometimes, right?
33:18
Speaker 3: You're talking about linebacker?
33:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember this a couple years ago.
33:23
Speaker 3: What teams can do is they'll bring in a different
33:26
Speaker 3: linebacker for nickel or dime. Right, right. You know, they don't, yeah.
33:31
Speaker 3: I mean, look, but you want to play your best players.
33:33
Speaker 3: If he thinks that if it's first and 10, and
33:36
Speaker 3: I don't have the exact percentage of what Jacksonville's run-pass
33:39
Speaker 3: ratio is on first and 10, you know, if there's
33:43
Speaker 3: a clear tendency for Jacksonville in a given down-and-distance situation,
33:47
Speaker 3: and it's a clear run tendency, and believe me, the
33:50
Speaker 3: teams know the answer to these questions, it would not
33:53
Speaker 3: surprise me to see Trotter. Because, you know, you've got
33:57
Speaker 3: to put your best players out there. I mean, you know,
34:00
Speaker 3: it's that's the way it works. You know, the predictable stuff.
34:04
Speaker 3: A lot of things, by the way, in the NFL
34:06
Speaker 3: are predictable. You know, a lot of a lot of
34:08
Speaker 3: teams are teams are not great or the really good
34:12
Speaker 3: teams because they're fooling people. You know, things are predictable,
34:16
Speaker 3: you know, and then you just either have good players
34:19
Speaker 3: or you execute better. But, you know, you're not tricking people.
34:22
Speaker 3: You know, you could probably speak to and I've done
34:25
Speaker 3: this over the years. speak to coaches and they will
34:27
Speaker 3: tell you exactly what a team's going to do. And
34:30
Speaker 3: that's what a team does, but that.
34:32
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you stop it necessarily. Yeah.
34:34
Speaker 3: Right.
34:35
Speaker 2: You know, the Niners are a, the best motion team,
34:37
Speaker 2: the national football league, arguably, you know, it's coming. You
34:40
Speaker 2: just don't know what, how exactly to do it. That's all. Yeah.
34:44
Speaker 3: So, you know, but, but to, and you got to
34:47
Speaker 3: be careful with, cause he's got explosive juice now. I mean, and, and, um,
34:52
Speaker 3: And you see it on tape. I mean, if he
34:54
Speaker 3: gets to the perimeter, if he, you know, if he
34:55
Speaker 3: bounces and gets to the perimeter, he can easily outflank
34:58
Speaker 3: your defense.
35:00
Speaker 1: So you said the Jags have three wide receivers that
35:03
Speaker 1: all make an impact that you like. And I know
35:04
Speaker 1: the first two were Parker Washington and Jacoby Myers. I'm
35:09
Speaker 1: curious because I think people might think you were referring
35:12
Speaker 1: to somebody as a three. I'm not sure it's that somebody,
35:14
Speaker 1: but go ahead.
35:16
Speaker 3: Well, it's Brian Thomas is their third guy.
35:19
Speaker 1: Uh, because lately Cameron's been patched.
35:21
Speaker 3: I feel like Cameron's a very intriguing player too. I
35:25
Speaker 3: did it coming out of college. He's big physical and
35:28
Speaker 3: has vice grip hands and he gets meaningful snaps and
35:31
Speaker 3: they use him on third down at times. They use
35:33
Speaker 3: them in the red zone. He's a very intriguing receiver.
35:36
Speaker 3: So they really have four receivers that will play meaningful snaps. Um, so, uh,
35:41
Speaker 3: and then by the way, they've been really good on
35:43
Speaker 3: offense in the red zone. Lawrence has been really good
35:45
Speaker 3: in the red zone. Um, Uh, they've got some really
35:48
Speaker 3: good schematics to their past game. Um, and Washington's a
35:52
Speaker 3: very physical receiver. He can work through contact and we
35:55
Speaker 3: know what the Eagles have done this season is they
35:57
Speaker 3: play wool in a left corner and Mitchell at right corner.
35:59
Speaker 3: So you can pretty much dictate a matchup that you
36:02
Speaker 3: feel good about. Um, you know, unless Vic changes this week,
36:06
Speaker 3: but I would doubt it. Um, so, you know, we'll see, uh, uh,
36:11
Speaker 3: and you know, they do a lot of things formationally.
36:13
Speaker 3: I guarantee Liam Cohen will get Parker Washington matched on,
36:17
Speaker 3: on safety at times in this game, just through the
36:19
Speaker 3: use of formations and motions and, and use of personnel.
36:23
Speaker 3: So that will happen in this game. Does that mean
36:25
Speaker 3: it'll be a big play? You know, we don't know
36:26
Speaker 3: the answer to that, but the matchup will happen. Sure.
36:30
Speaker 1: Sure. Are they at 11 or a 12 alternate? How
36:34
Speaker 1: do they usually, what do they play mostly?
36:36
Speaker 3: Yes. Um, I can tell you that in a sec. Um,
36:41
Speaker 3: This week, they were predominantly 11. Let me just look
36:44
Speaker 3: to see if that is the way they played all
36:47
Speaker 3: season long.
36:48
Speaker 2: Jeff, I was looking through the first four games. They
36:50
Speaker 2: balance a lot. There's sometimes more 11, sometimes more 12.
36:54
Speaker 3: So far this season, they've played 57% in 11 personnel,
36:56
Speaker 3: 28% in 12 personnel, and 13% in 13 personnel. More 11. Yeah,
36:58
Speaker 3: more 11. That's not a high 11 percentage.
37:07
Speaker 1: That's not right. If you want to buy the 12
37:09
Speaker 1: and 13, that's.
37:09
Speaker 3: The highest 11 percentage in the league belongs to the
37:12
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles at 77%.
37:14
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
37:15
Speaker 2: That's insane. Because Cameron is becoming more of a factor.
37:19
Speaker 2: Bo Kircher, the rookie, like he's got to play. He's
37:21
Speaker 2: a second, you know, he's a second round pick. And they,
37:24
Speaker 2: as we talked about Jeff earlier, they extended Strange's contract,
37:29
Speaker 2: but they drafted another tight in the second round. That's, Well,
37:31
Speaker 2: that kind of.
37:32
Speaker 3: Tells you that they'd ideally like to have meaningful snaps
37:34
Speaker 3: of 12, because I can tell you for a fact
37:36
Speaker 3: that they love Strange. Yeah. Yes.
37:38
Speaker 1: How's Berkshire look so far?
37:40
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
37:41
Speaker 3: Solid player. I don't know if he's, you know, well,
37:43
Speaker 3: they don't need him to be a number one tight
37:45
Speaker 3: end because Strange is, but he's definitely, you know, a
37:50
Speaker 3: solid second tight end for sure.
37:54
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Lawrence in this offense. I mean, last
37:57
Speaker 1: year through four weeks, the first four weeks of the season,
38:00
Speaker 1: He was the 32nd rated quarterback in the league.
38:04
Speaker 3: Brand new offense.
38:04
Speaker 1: By the end of the year. Right, right. So you
38:08
Speaker 1: can apply this to the Eagles. They're going through a
38:10
Speaker 1: very similar phase and struggling. But I know over the
38:13
Speaker 1: last eight games that Lawrence was rated in the top
38:17
Speaker 1: three and their offense was better. What do you see
38:19
Speaker 1: from him this year?
38:20
Speaker 3: Well, what you start to see was decisiveness. You see,
38:23
Speaker 3: that's a big tell with quarterbacks. You know, quarterbacks that
38:26
Speaker 3: when they hit their back foot, they get rid of
38:29
Speaker 3: the football. Or even if they're going through a progression
38:32
Speaker 3: and wait a second, you can tell that they're going
38:34
Speaker 3: through a progression and then they're being decisive. When you
38:36
Speaker 3: start seeing quarterbacks get stuck in the pocket, that's always
38:40
Speaker 3: a problem. And you could see the decisiveness improve dramatically
38:43
Speaker 3: with Lawrence. And that's when you hear people say things
38:48
Speaker 3: about coaches, oh, it's a quarterback-friendly system because they see
38:51
Speaker 3: the quarterback drop back and deliver the ball and it
38:53
Speaker 3: makes it look like the three of us could do
38:55
Speaker 3: it when in fact that's not the case. You know,
38:58
Speaker 3: that's why certain quarterbacks, people have a tough time coming
39:01
Speaker 3: around to like the Brock Purdy's of the world, because
39:05
Speaker 3: it looks like anybody can do that because all he's
39:07
Speaker 3: doing is dropping back and throwing the ball. And it
39:09
Speaker 3: looks like, oh, gee, that guy's relatively open. Anybody can
39:12
Speaker 3: do that, which, you know, we know is not true.
39:14
Speaker 3: You know, so Lawrence started to play with a lot
39:17
Speaker 3: more decisiveness and conviction. And, you know, Lawrence does not
39:20
Speaker 3: have a gun, but you don't need a gun. I mean,
39:22
Speaker 3: if you went down the list of NFL quarterbacks, he'd
39:25
Speaker 3: probably be 15th or 16th or 17th when it comes
39:27
Speaker 3: to just pure arm strength.
39:29
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
39:30
Speaker 3: But he's big. He's now very comfortable in this offense.
39:34
Speaker 3: He has someone like Parker Washington is really good working
39:37
Speaker 3: through contact. So he feels very comfortable throwing him the ball.
39:41
Speaker 3: They do a lot of really good things in their concepts.
39:44
Speaker 3: They'll work Strange through the line of scrimmage and get
39:47
Speaker 3: him matched on linebackers. You'll see that in this game
39:50
Speaker 3: for sure. And they'll do it off run action. So
39:54
Speaker 3: the linebacker takes that moment of, hey, I got to
39:57
Speaker 3: play the run. And they'll hit some big plays. I've
40:00
Speaker 3: seen them hit big plays. And this week, they just
40:03
Speaker 3: missed it. Lawrence made a poor throw. And it might
40:05
Speaker 3: have been a touchdown for 60 yards, give or take,
40:08
Speaker 3: if he didn't make a poor throw when Strange worked
40:10
Speaker 3: through the line of scrimmage. Because Strange will a lot
40:12
Speaker 3: of times line up in the backfield as an I-formation fullback.
40:15
Speaker 3: So they do a lot of good things. It's a
40:17
Speaker 3: good offense. It's a very well-schemed, well-designed offense.
40:21
Speaker 2: Jeff, remember last year we were– I think the first
40:24
Speaker 2: half of Lawrence's season was so bad.
40:26
Speaker 1: It was.
40:27
Speaker 3: It was awful.
40:28
Speaker 2: We were like, here we go again. He's been so overrated,
40:31
Speaker 2: bad contract. When he took off, it was incredible. I mean,
40:36
Speaker 2: it was like– Greg, talk about it. It's like something–
40:39
Speaker 2: the light went on and it was incredible. Right.
40:41
Speaker 3: See, it wasn't, you know, it's funny. It's not Lawrence's
40:44
Speaker 3: fault that people thought he was quote unquote generational when
40:47
Speaker 3: he came out, which of course is a word I
40:49
Speaker 3: never would use, but he's not that guy. See, Lawrence is,
40:53
Speaker 3: he's got traits, solid traits, but not high, high level traits.
40:58
Speaker 3: So he needs the offense to work for him. He's not,
41:01
Speaker 3: you know, one of those guys that just, man, he
41:03
Speaker 3: can do anything. He's not that guy. He was, that
41:07
Speaker 3: moniker was put on him, which is not his fault,
41:09
Speaker 3: of course, you know, And he's actually– I've been around him.
41:12
Speaker 3: I was at a couple of events with him for
41:13
Speaker 3: like two, three-day periods. When he was younger in college,
41:17
Speaker 3: he's a great young man. I mean, everything about him
41:20
Speaker 3: is solid. But he's not at the traits level that
41:23
Speaker 3: was pinned on him when he came out of college, which,
41:26
Speaker 3: like I said, is not his fault. Right.
41:28
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42:30
Speaker 1: There was a great sequence against the Patriots where, to
42:33
Speaker 1: put your point on decisiveness and trusting your personnel, they
42:36
Speaker 1: kicked the crap out of the Patriots in week two.
42:38
Speaker 1: There was a sequence where Trevor Lawrence threw the ball
42:40
Speaker 1: to Parker Washington in the low red zone on four
42:43
Speaker 1: straight plays. incomplete, incomplete touchdown that got negated by a
42:48
Speaker 1: bogus offensive PI. And then the fourth time he finally
42:52
Speaker 1: hit him for the touchdown. And I'm like, man, you
42:54
Speaker 1: really are in rhythm with a certain one of your targets.
42:56
Speaker 1: If you can throw it to him four straight times
42:58
Speaker 1: and get a touchdown out of that. I was marveling
43:01
Speaker 1: at that, but yeah.
43:04
Speaker 3: I did Washington this summer. I don't know why I
43:07
Speaker 3: just decided I did Lawrence, his last seven or eight games.
43:10
Speaker 3: I watched all of those this summer. And then I,
43:12
Speaker 3: noticed Washington so I decided to do all his targets
43:15
Speaker 3: because he didn't have that many because I think he
43:16
Speaker 3: caught something like 45 balls last year but he's clearly
43:20
Speaker 3: a guy that Lawrence feels very comfortable throwing it to
43:24
Speaker 3: because there's a physicality and a competitiveness to his game
43:27
Speaker 3: you know stylistically okay again I always hate doing this
43:32
Speaker 3: because that's all people but stylistically there's a little bit
43:37
Speaker 3: of like a Steve Smith to his game. He's not
43:39
Speaker 3: as nowhere near as explosive as Smith, but in terms
43:42
Speaker 3: of being like a, a bad-ass physical, tough guy, he's,
43:46
Speaker 3: he's like that. Yeah.
43:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:48
Speaker 3: He's like that. You know, that's kind of the way
43:50
Speaker 3: he is. I liked his tape from last year a lot. And,
43:55
Speaker 3: you know, look, you know, receivers, particularly when you've got
43:57
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys, you know, guys like that, aren't
44:00
Speaker 3: going to go seven for one 10 every week. Like
44:02
Speaker 3: last week, he didn't put up big numbers, you know,
44:05
Speaker 3: it was a different kind of game and you know,
44:07
Speaker 3: it worked out differently, but he's a very good player.
44:10
Speaker 2: So it's interesting with Parker Washington is that when he
44:13
Speaker 2: came out, like the book was, Oh, he's going to
44:15
Speaker 2: have to be a slot receiver. That's not the case anymore.
44:17
Speaker 2: He's not the case at all. No, I know. I know.
44:20
Speaker 2: And I just remember getting scouting report on him. And
44:23
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, the guy spoke with said, I
44:25
Speaker 2: just see him as a slot. He's very tough, good kid,
44:28
Speaker 2: hard worker, probably could have gone higher. He goes, he goes,
44:31
Speaker 2: I gave him a fifth. I did. He go in
44:32
Speaker 2: the sixth round.
44:34
Speaker 1: I think it was the sixth round.
44:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
44:36
Speaker 2: And he's been way, Greg talked to him a lot. Yeah.
44:40
Speaker 2: He's really good, man.
44:41
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, see, that's the other thing about, I'm sorry, Jeff,
44:44
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen's offense who comes from the Sean McVay school
44:47
Speaker 3: is they don't necessarily just line up. Oh, I have
44:49
Speaker 3: an X and I have a Z. They don't, they
44:51
Speaker 3: don't necessarily play like that. Sure. If they have a
44:55
Speaker 3: true X, it would probably be Brian Thomas, but they
44:58
Speaker 3: don't necessarily play that way where, Oh, it's going to
45:01
Speaker 3: be Brian Thomas all the time. you know, that's not
45:04
Speaker 3: the way a Sean McVay type offense functions.
45:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
45:09
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, I watched him against
45:10
Speaker 1: the Broncos line up on the outside, Adam, to your point,
45:13
Speaker 1: and beat Patrick Sertain on, like, kind of a deep
45:16
Speaker 1: crosser where he got separation at the top of the route.
45:19
Speaker 1: He put a move on him outside, then went in,
45:21
Speaker 1: and he caught the ball in stride, broke out of
45:23
Speaker 1: a tackle. He's got good play strength. I think that's
45:25
Speaker 1: what really stands out to me. Very good play.
45:27
Speaker 3: He can play through contact. That's a term we use
45:29
Speaker 3: a lot, you know, when it comes to– You know, receivers,
45:34
Speaker 3: you know, even when you watch them coming out of college.
45:36
Speaker 3: By the way, Josh Cameron has great play strength, too.
45:38
Speaker 2: He is just under 6'2. He is rocked up. I'll
45:44
Speaker 2: tell you what, Jeff, as we send it back to you,
45:46
Speaker 2: their pass start group is really good, very underrated.
45:49
Speaker 3: Yes.
45:51
Speaker 2: As Greg said, it's fair. On paper, it looks like
45:54
Speaker 2: a complete mismatch, but you got... Quinion's going to play.
45:58
Speaker 2: Didn't know that early in the week. It looked like
45:59
Speaker 2: a hyperextension last game. Thankfully, he's fine. He's okay. He's
46:03
Speaker 2: going to play. Because you don't want to see Jonathan
46:05
Speaker 2: Jones starting. And we'll see about Michael Carter starting again.
46:10
Speaker 2: Don't know about Grenard, but at least having Mitchell, they
46:12
Speaker 2: can match up. Because you take Quinion out, it changes everything.
46:16
Speaker 3: I agree. So, by the way, just to make a point,
46:18
Speaker 3: in 2025– Washington lined up outside on 390 snaps and
46:27
Speaker 3: in the slot on 315 snaps. Wow. So he's both.
46:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. Awesome stuff.
46:32
Speaker 1: For sure. I think the key, I think the Eagles
46:34
Speaker 1: have to be, given the play strength, they've got to
46:38
Speaker 1: not miss tackles in this game. I think that they
46:41
Speaker 1: have an opportunity here to force the Jaguars into some
46:44
Speaker 1: tough situations because they have a very good defensive front,
46:47
Speaker 1: even if it hasn't played like it all year. But Jomo...
46:51
Speaker 1: having that mismatch. And then if you force Jags to
46:54
Speaker 1: get into too much passing, I think that favors the
46:57
Speaker 1: Eagles with their secondary against the Jags wideouts. But again,
47:00
Speaker 1: you've got to tackle the guy in front of you.
47:02
Speaker 1: That's going to be huge. Why don't we move on
47:06
Speaker 1: to do what we do best and pick the winner
47:08
Speaker 1: of this game. So Adam, I will start with you.
47:12
Speaker 2: Well, last week I was almost wrong. I got lucky.
47:16
Speaker 2: So did Greg. rams had no business winning that game
47:19
Speaker 2: but it is what it is in that sloppy weather
47:21
Speaker 2: we don't have to worry about that in london the
47:23
Speaker 2: tottenham spur uh i've got it jaguars 24 eagles 13
47:32
Speaker 2: 24 13.
47:33
Speaker 1: Okay i should mention the last i checked the jaguars
47:38
Speaker 1: were seven point favorites that line might even go up
47:40
Speaker 1: but That's what I saw. Cannot remember the last time
47:44
Speaker 1: the Eagles were, by the way, seven-point underdogs. Did I
47:47
Speaker 1: say favorites? I'm sorry. Yeah, I said the Jaguars were
47:49
Speaker 1: seven-point favorites.
47:50
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, big yes.
47:51
Speaker 1: Eagles are seven-point underdogs. Did you pick a player of
47:53
Speaker 1: the game?
47:53
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to pick it now, and that would
47:55
Speaker 2: be the aforementioned Parker Washington. I love the way that
47:58
Speaker 2: they use him. And you know what? He's got such motivation,
48:02
Speaker 2: no extension yet. So they've tabled it. So, yeah, he's
48:06
Speaker 2: got everything to play.
48:07
Speaker 3: I read, though, it was because he didn't want it.
48:09
Speaker 3: He was betting on himself. Okay. That's what I read.
48:12
Speaker 3: That might not be the case. Yeah.
48:16
Speaker 2: Drafted by Trent Baalke, by the way. For all the
48:18
Speaker 2: much maligned Trent Baalke, that's one of the presents he
48:21
Speaker 2: gave to the staff. This kid's a heck of a player.
48:24
Speaker 2: Great story of a six-round pick.
48:25
Speaker 1: That's so ironic, by the way, because we know that
48:28
Speaker 1: Baalke is a... Size, speed, trace. And Parker Washington is
48:33
Speaker 1: none of that.
48:34
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. Did you watch Parker Washington
48:37
Speaker 2: a lot at Penn State? I did.
48:38
Speaker 1: I watched him in person. I went to the two
48:40
Speaker 1: whiteout games that he played. He absolutely dominated Iowa and Minnesota. Oh, yeah.
48:44
Speaker 2: Is it his size is why he didn't go higher?
48:46
Speaker 1: I mean, it's 5'9. He never ran. He didn't do
48:50
Speaker 1: any athletic testing at the Combine or his pro day
48:52
Speaker 1: because he was rehabbing an injury. But I'm pretty sure
48:54
Speaker 1: if he did.
48:55
Speaker 3: Do athletic testing. Because let's say he did athletic testing
48:58
Speaker 3: and did really well. I'm not saying he would have
48:59
Speaker 3: been a first round pick, but he probably would have
49:01
Speaker 3: got into the third round.
49:03
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that he was known for being
49:06
Speaker 1: a great speed guy anyway, though.
49:09
Speaker 2: The issue with him was with the guy I spoke with,
49:12
Speaker 2: because I didn't see him much. So tell me about him.
49:14
Speaker 2: He went through the stuff. But I grade him as
49:16
Speaker 2: a slot receiver. Well, slot receivers don't go that high.
49:20
Speaker 2: But the good thing is, and we'll move this along here,
49:22
Speaker 2: he's proven that he's anything but that. So it's great.
49:25
Speaker 2: Good for them.
49:26
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, what do you got?
49:28
Speaker 3: You know, again, all you have is what you have
49:30
Speaker 3: up to this point. And then I said a couple
49:32
Speaker 3: of times, anything can happen in these games, you know,
49:34
Speaker 3: special teams, fumbles, you know, who knows. But if you
49:38
Speaker 3: just look at this right now, it's hard for me
49:41
Speaker 3: to look at the Eagles being right now at the
49:44
Speaker 3: same level as the Jaguars. Now, the one thing I
49:46
Speaker 3: will say is Trevor Lawrence does at times, if you
49:50
Speaker 3: can pressure him, there are times when he breaks down
49:54
Speaker 3: a bit and can make errant throws. That has to
49:57
Speaker 3: be a key to the game for the Eagles. Now,
49:59
Speaker 3: I don't know whether they can do it, especially if
50:01
Speaker 3: Grenard's out, because their right tackle, Colt A. Lannan, he's okay,
50:05
Speaker 3: but he's a beatable player. So, Having said all that,
50:12
Speaker 3: I'd be hard-pressed to pick the Eagles based on what
50:14
Speaker 3: we've seen up to this point. I would imagine, because
50:19
Speaker 3: they are a championship organization, that this was probably a
50:22
Speaker 3: pretty intense week. I hate to be stupidly cliched, but
50:26
Speaker 3: be ready to play. I think the game might be
50:29
Speaker 3: a little closer in that regard, but I'm going to
50:32
Speaker 3: pick the Jaguars to win 23-14. I think that my
50:34
Speaker 3: player of the game I'm struggling with Lawrence only because
50:43
Speaker 3: I think there'll be some tough moments for him. I
50:45
Speaker 3: think the Eagles, you know, will, will, you know, Vic
50:48
Speaker 3: is not an idiot by any means. There's going to
50:50
Speaker 3: be things he's going to do that might be just
50:52
Speaker 3: a little different in this game. We don't know what
50:55
Speaker 3: that'll be, but it will, there will be some different things. See,
51:00
Speaker 3: I was going to pick partial, you know, I'll stick
51:02
Speaker 3: with that because I was going to do the same thing.
51:04
Speaker 3: So I'm going to go with Parker Washington.
51:06
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. We are all, we're all in the same,
51:09
Speaker 1: I'm picking the, Jaguars to win this game 26-13. I
51:13
Speaker 1: also thought a wide receiver would be the player of
51:15
Speaker 1: the game, but I had Jacoby Myers beating them.
51:18
Speaker 3: Good player.
51:19
Speaker 1: You know, good player and kind of a guy who
51:23
Speaker 1: can make a lot of production over the middle. He
51:25
Speaker 1: can break some tackles, so we'll see. That's how I
51:28
Speaker 1: saw it. So it's a clean sweep.
51:30
Speaker 3: By the way, what you just said, Jeff, is critical
51:32
Speaker 3: in this game because both Myers and Washington, particularly Washington,
51:37
Speaker 3: are really, really good run after catch. So you have
51:40
Speaker 3: to make sure that you get bodies on them because
51:44
Speaker 3: Washington is tough and physical and Myers is too. So,
51:47
Speaker 3: you know, if they catch, let's say in breakers, you
51:49
Speaker 3: better make sure you get bodies on them.
51:52
Speaker 2: And Jeff, the Eagles have to tackle better than the
51:54
Speaker 2: Cowboys did against the Bucs. That was an absolute embarrassment.
51:58
Speaker 2: Some of the worst effort I've ever seen. I don't
52:00
Speaker 2: know if you guys watched it. I suffered through that game.
52:02
Speaker 3: I watched some of it because I loved Jalen Daniels
52:04
Speaker 3: coming out of Kansas. Oh, did you really?
52:07
Speaker 1: No, that's right. Yeah.
52:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've talked to Adam numerous times on shows, Adam,
52:11
Speaker 3: you know, that I thought he was definitely a draftable
52:13
Speaker 3: player that, you know, he had traits. He showed those
52:16
Speaker 3: traits even playing last week when they lost, he had
52:19
Speaker 3: four or five throws that if I were, if you
52:21
Speaker 3: were sitting here with me and because you've sat here
52:23
Speaker 3: with Jaws for years, you would go, wow, those are
52:26
Speaker 3: NFL quarterback traits.
52:27
Speaker 2: Is he a smaller guy?
52:29
Speaker 3: That's one issue. And you know, six year player in college,
52:33
Speaker 3: stayed at Kansas, had some injuries and, You know, but
52:38
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, his tape was good in college.
52:40
Speaker 1: Wow.
52:41
Speaker 2: He didn't turn the ball over, Jeff, as we sent
52:44
Speaker 2: it back to you.
52:44
Speaker 3: He looked like he belonged on an NFL field as
52:47
Speaker 3: a quarterback.
52:48
Speaker 2: But the tackle, the effort, like Bucky Erring's a nice player.
52:52
Speaker 2: He's not that talented. The long run, I don't know
52:55
Speaker 2: if you saw it, some of the worst tackling ever.
52:58
Speaker 1: It almost became inside the Bucs instead of inside the birds.
53:00
Speaker 2: But you talk about tackling.
53:04
Speaker 3: Yes.
53:04
Speaker 2: Eagles tackling has not been great. It just has not
53:07
Speaker 2: been great. It's one of these things that has nothing
53:10
Speaker 2: to do with injury. Now, we could talk about Campbell
53:13
Speaker 2: and instinctiveness. Carter, Greg's pointed out, has not been a
53:16
Speaker 2: factor at all. You're playing with a club. Now, I
53:19
Speaker 2: know sometimes, by the way, when you have this type
53:22
Speaker 2: of injury, when you have a broken wrist, over time,
53:26
Speaker 2: once you feel comfortable, they shave it down. They make
53:28
Speaker 2: it into sort of a contraption instead of a club.
53:31
Speaker 2: Because for them to win, to even be like a
53:35
Speaker 2: nine or eight win team, he's got to be a
53:37
Speaker 2: major factor. He's totally invisible. And that's just, if you
53:41
Speaker 2: want to know why they're losing, we can give 30 points.
53:44
Speaker 2: But they always say the stars have to be stars.
53:47
Speaker 2: The stars have not been stars for the most part yet.
53:49
Speaker 2: Hasn't happened.
53:50
Speaker 1: Great way to end it. It hasn't happened.
53:52
Speaker 3: Did you pick your player of the game, Jeff?
53:54
Speaker 1: I did. I said Jacoby Myers.
53:55
Speaker 3: Oh, Jacoby Myers, right.
53:56
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
53:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
53:57
Speaker 1: All right, that is going to do it for the
53:59
Speaker 1: Inside the Birds Week 5 pregame show. For Greg Cosell
54:02
Speaker 1: and Adam Kaplan, I'm Jeff Mosher. Hey, we'll catch you
54:06
Speaker 1: all on the postgame show, and we'll see. That's why
54:08
Speaker 1: they play the game. Enjoy your watching, everybody.