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Beyond the Bachelor: Kate Voegele · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is all Most Famous Beyond the Bachelor with Susie Evans.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome back to be on the Bachelor. This
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  Speaker 2: is your host, Susie Evans. Today we are going to
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  Speaker 2: be chatting with Kate Vogel, who performed on Jason Mesnick's
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  Speaker 2: season of The Bachelor back in two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 2: Her band Your Future Ghost just released a new single,
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  Speaker 2: the Only One in May, so we're going to be
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  Speaker 2: chatting about her time on the show and life and
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  Speaker 2: career since Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Susie,
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  Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely Okay, first things first, we'll help right in. What
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  Speaker 2: was it like performing your song? I won't disagree on
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  Speaker 2: Jason's season of The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 1: It was so cool. Honestly, it's so fun to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this because, like you said, it's a throwback. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a minute, but it was incredibly cool. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: every single one of my friends watched the show. I
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  Speaker 1: grew up you know, watching the show. So it was
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  Speaker 1: a really cool opportunity. First of all, just to be
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  Speaker 1: able to play in my music, like uh, just interesting
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  Speaker 1: venue for a show and so different from sort of
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  Speaker 1: the other stuff I was doing on tour. But also
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  Speaker 1: it was just really fun to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: sort of a surprise date night for you know, the
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  Speaker 1: couple and everything. And they were super sweet, Jason and
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  Speaker 1: Natalie was the girl, were incredibly sweet and so it
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  Speaker 1: was really fun. And it was in Vegas too, so
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  Speaker 1: it was like it's always fun to have an excuse
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  Speaker 1: to go do Vegas, you know, like it was great.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so did you get to meet them after you
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  Speaker 2: performed or did you get to meet them before?
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  Speaker 1: How did that work? It was after so it was
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  Speaker 1: I think I was like a surprise for uh, Natalie
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  Speaker 1: that Jason had arranged like this, you know, private concert
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  Speaker 1: for her, and you know, the curtains opened and then
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  Speaker 1: me and my band played our song and then I
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  Speaker 1: got to chat with them afterwards. So it was cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun to be like a little surprise guest.
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  Speaker 1: That was I don't know if I've ever done, like
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  Speaker 1: been a surprise for anyone before as a musician, So
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. That's really cool. I do love that
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  Speaker 1: about The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: They really go above and beyond to make things dramatic
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  Speaker 2: and super exciting for whoever's on the day, even the lead,
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  Speaker 2: whoever the lead is. It's like, it's not very a
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  Speaker 2: very normal thing to get a private concert at any
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  Speaker 2: point in life.
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  Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. It's really impressive
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that they come up with, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's super super creative, so that it was really fun
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of that. And to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: it was really cool to be on an unscripted set
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  Speaker 1: because at the time I was playing my music and
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  Speaker 1: acting on a scripted show called Wantree Hill on the
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  Speaker 1: CW and I it was like mind blowing to me
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  Speaker 1: that the cameras are rolling but there's no script and
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I remember asking one of the producers
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  Speaker 1: who was helping us out taking us to our green room,
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  Speaker 1: you know, telling us where to go. And my first
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  Speaker 1: question was, like I like came in hot with that
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  Speaker 1: was like, so is any of this real or is
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  Speaker 1: this just like totally fake? Like do these people actually
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  Speaker 1: like each other? And he did not think it was funny,
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  Speaker 1: to be completely honest, Yeah, he was probably just stressed,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was just like this
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  Speaker 1: girl like come on, But but yeah, I was just
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  Speaker 1: fascinated by the idea and so obviously you know all
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  Speaker 1: about this, so I really should be asking you, like,
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  Speaker 1: what is I know I have friends who work in
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  Speaker 1: editing and reality TV, which is an art form in
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  Speaker 1: and of itself, But what was that like being in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where it's all fluid and the cameras are
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  Speaker 1: rolling and you never know what's going to happen next.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fun to hear other people that have
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  Speaker 2: come in for a glimpse of n I always like
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  Speaker 2: to ask people similar to what you're saying, like did
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  Speaker 2: you think it was real? Do you think it's real now?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's the number one question people ask me. What
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  Speaker 2: is it scripted? Or do they make you say certain things?
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  Speaker 2: And like, technically no one can make you say anything,
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  Speaker 2: so a lot of it is obviously unstool. All of
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  Speaker 2: it's unscripted, but there's certainly like it's produced, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like the producers, Yeah, like putting you in scenarios and
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  Speaker 2: giving you the opportunity to say something or don't say something.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like it's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: free will. But it is, like it's pretty interesting because
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  Speaker 2: I think for someone like me, I would get really
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  Speaker 2: self conscious of the cameras.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you. I mean, you obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Act and perform on stage, and I used to do
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  Speaker 2: performance growing up, but I always had really bad stage right,
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  Speaker 2: and I felt similarly being on the show. I would
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  Speaker 2: be like talking to the guy and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden you see like a cameraman coming in closer, and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, this is so weird, Like you just can't
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  Speaker 2: help but get in your head. So it's it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of weird for me. But and it sounds like
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  Speaker 2: you probably have a lot of experience, but unscripted is
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  Speaker 2: a new it's like new territory for almost anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that makes total sense. I feel like it
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  Speaker 1: would be almost more weird when you don't have a
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  Speaker 1: script to stick to, because for me, yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: something that you have to kind of get over getting
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  Speaker 1: up on stage, being in front of cameras on TV sets.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like these are the lines, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the performance, and your job is to really embody this
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  Speaker 1: character and you know, just try to tell the truth,
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  Speaker 1: try to tell a great story with you know, the
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  Speaker 1: really great script that the writers have given you. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is like all bets are off when you know
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  Speaker 1: it's like you can say anything, and I do, for
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  Speaker 1: the record, believe that most of it is very authentic. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 1: I mean reality TV is like a huge, you know genre,
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  Speaker 1: people love it. I think people can feel when things
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  Speaker 1: are inauthentic, So I don't think it would be anywhere
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  Speaker 1: near as big. You know, it's still what is it like,
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  Speaker 1: season twenty eight or something now eight twenty nine? Unreal? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that actually makes me think.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what they'll do for the thirtieth anniversary because
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  Speaker 2: that's only a years away.
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  Speaker 1: Probably big fun. Your future ghost is ready to be
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  Speaker 1: the surprise guest. Just putting that out there. I love
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  Speaker 1: that in service if anybody wants a new indie band
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  Speaker 1: to be the surprise guest. We're We're, We're, We're there.
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  Speaker 1: And where are you guys located? I'm in La. My
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  Speaker 1: bandmate is in Austin, so we've made this upcoming album
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  Speaker 1: in kind of both cities. But yeah, so it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of fun to have, you know, those two different places
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  Speaker 1: as inspiration. But yeah, for me, it's it's mostly La.
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  Speaker 1: That's so cool. Did you have any when you were
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  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Did it inspire anything in your music or your your songwriting?
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  Speaker 1: On the TV show on The Bachelor, on One Tree Hill,
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  Speaker 1: all the about.
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  Speaker 2: All the above, I was thinking The Bachelor, but honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like One Tree Hill's so iconic that I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: there has to be some kind of ins But from
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  Speaker 2: that as well, well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, yeah. I mean being on The Bachelor was
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  Speaker 1: inspiring because I think that it was as a songwriter,
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  Speaker 1: it was really cool to just witness the behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes of that type of show where there's this date,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen, but there are
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  Speaker 1: these cameras, but these are, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: just two people who are trying to see if they
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  Speaker 1: vibe yeah, And I think there was something kind of
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  Speaker 1: really charming about that and just being like, at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, that's really what's going on. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why I think people love the show so much
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  Speaker 1: and all the spinoffs, because it is, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, just people trying to Everybody can relate
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  Speaker 1: to that being on a first day, third date and
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  Speaker 1: trying to navigate the awkwardness. And so as a songwriter,
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  Speaker 1: it was definitely inspiring, you know, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: when you write songs, you're sort of just trying to
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  Speaker 1: convey the experience of being a human and how weird
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  Speaker 1: it is, you know, So that was super inspiring and
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  Speaker 1: say with onetreal inspiration for years, you know, I mean
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  Speaker 1: tea for years. So definitely. I think when you when
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  Speaker 1: you're a creative, you look for inspiration in whatever situation
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  Speaker 1: you're in, which is what I know I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of you know, tea and behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 2: is there anything from being on The Bachelor that shocked
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  Speaker 2: you that was like a behind the scenes experience or
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  Speaker 2: kind of like tea that you could spill where you're like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the every everyday viewer would see this
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  Speaker 2: or know this about filming.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not sure about like anything that happened while
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  Speaker 1: I was on set. But immediately following that episode, sadly,
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  Speaker 1: Jason dumped the girl who he surprised with my concert,
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  Speaker 1: and so there was this part to me that felt
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  Speaker 1: slightly responsible. I was like, shoot, should I have played
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  Speaker 1: a different song, something more romantic? Like obviously I'm joking,
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  Speaker 1: but that was kind of funny in you know the
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  Speaker 1: sense that my band and I loved to joke, like, man, dude,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should have, like, you know, covered a Marvin
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  Speaker 1: Gaye song and I like something a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: And then hilariously enough, I posted about this like I
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  Speaker 1: posted a throwback like several years later on Instagram, like
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  Speaker 1: throwback to when I was on the Bachelor. Too bad.
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  Speaker 1: The guy actually dumped the girl he surprised with my
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  Speaker 1: performance after this, and she responded, she like, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: tag her if they didn't know even you know, what
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  Speaker 1: her social media was or whatever. Yeah, no, that was
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  Speaker 1: around when when this came out. It was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: such an old school thing, but it was really cute,
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  Speaker 1: she responded, and she was like, yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 1: bizarre time, but I loved having a private show for me,
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  Speaker 1: so it was really sweet. And then I later found
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  Speaker 1: out she won a season of I think it was
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Pad. Oh my gosh, so like redemption for Natalie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we love to see totally. Yeah, so uh, not necessarily tea,
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  Speaker 1: but just kind of a funny, you know, a funny
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  Speaker 1: thing that it is. It's ruthless man like you just
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  Speaker 1: don't I thought, Oh man, he surprised her with this concert.
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  Speaker 1: He must really like her, and he was like, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: not feeling it, not getting Rose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's crazy, But I like that's a good
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  Speaker 2: behind the scenes mom.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cute. Yeah, it was cute.
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  Speaker 2: How did performing on The Bachelor compared to your time
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  Speaker 2: on One Tree Hill? Obviously cameras and obviously it's unscripted,
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  Speaker 2: but did you feel like you were completely prepared going
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  Speaker 2: into it? She's like, oh, I've been on set a
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  Speaker 2: thousand times or was it just completely different?
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  Speaker 1: It was really different in one very major way. That
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  Speaker 1: was really cool. So on One Tree Hill, just by definition,
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  Speaker 1: because of the way the sound works and the way
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  Speaker 1: the mixing works, you don't perform most of the music
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  Speaker 1: live on the show. So I performed I think eleven
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  Speaker 1: of my songs over four seasons of being on One
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  Speaker 1: Tree Hill, so tons of different scenes where I'm on
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  Speaker 1: stage with the band, and most of them, unless it
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  Speaker 1: was just me alone at a piano or me alone
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  Speaker 1: with a guitar, almost all of them, you are performing
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  Speaker 1: that song the same way you would if you were
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  Speaker 1: filming a music video. So the track is playing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the background, and you are singing along to it,
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  Speaker 1: but essentially the audio from your voice is not what's
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  Speaker 1: going to be in the final mix. Of the show, right,
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  Speaker 1: So it has something to do with just the way
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  Speaker 1: that they're editing it. This sound. It would be an
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  Speaker 1: absolute nightmare to try to recreate a full band sound
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  Speaker 1: on a TV set because it's just not you know,
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  Speaker 1: creative for that. However, with The Bachelor, this was a
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  Speaker 1: real stage with a real back line sound system and
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  Speaker 1: we were playing live like you would on the Tonight
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  Speaker 1: Show or the Today Show or whatever. And that was
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  Speaker 1: really cool, also kind of terrifying, because that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's the real thing, and I kind of loved that.
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  Speaker 1: It was sort of a cool poetic moment to be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is reality TV, so we should be playing this
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  Speaker 1: for real. It should be you know, a one take
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  Speaker 1: and that's all that's the only chance you get. And
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I mean, I think both things. It
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  Speaker 1: makes total sense why for most scripted TV you can't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily perform a full band song live every time. But
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  Speaker 1: it's really fun to do that because I do think
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  Speaker 1: that as a live music lover and fan myself, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a musician, it's really fun to get a chance
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  Speaker 1: to sort of give a raw, one time performance, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially for something like that. That's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really curious when you auditioned for One Tree Hill.
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  Speaker 2: Did you go into it knowing it was a musical role.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have.
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  Speaker 2: To perform acting in singing to get that role on
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  Speaker 2: One Tree Hill.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great question. Yes, it was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: for one episode. So I had already signed a record deal.
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  Speaker 1: I was out on the road in my parents' band
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  Speaker 1: that they graciously lent to me to Hoe play all
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  Speaker 1: my first shows with my band, and so I was
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  Speaker 1: doing the like grassroots indie musician thing and I was
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  Speaker 1: coming through LA and my manager at the time was like,
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  Speaker 1: there's this show, One Tree Hill. They feature a lot
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  Speaker 1: of music, and there's this just this one episode thing
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  Speaker 1: for this character. But if you get it, you would
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  Speaker 1: be playing your song, you know. And I was like, cool,
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  Speaker 1: Like let's go. So I going to get this, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm you know, but so I just
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  Speaker 1: went to the audition and wasn't, you know, expecting to
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  Speaker 1: even get a callback. And then I got the part,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, and at the audition, I had to sing
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  Speaker 1: a song and then I had to do a scene.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I had done like a couple of
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  Speaker 1: theater things in high school for fun, but I never
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  Speaker 1: moved to La Anticipated. Oh I'm going to be an actress,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to sign a record deal. That
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  Speaker 1: was my dream. So yeah, so I get the part
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  Speaker 1: and then I end up being on the show for
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  Speaker 1: four seasons and playing eleven of my original songs. My
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  Speaker 1: character had a different name, her name was Mia, but
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  Speaker 1: all the songs were Kate Vogel songs. So it was
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  Speaker 1: this really incredible, unexpected opportunity that you know, really challenged
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  Speaker 1: me a lot creatively because I had to learn the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the technical aspects of the craft of acting.
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  Speaker 1: But it was really fun because it's ultimately, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I mentioned before, it's storytelling and that's what songwriting is.
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  Speaker 1: That's what getting up on stages and so it was,
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  Speaker 1: uh and that's where I met my bandmate for Your
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  Speaker 1: Future Ghost. So my my bandmate, Mike Grubbs, came into
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  Speaker 1: the show in season seven and we became fast friends
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  Speaker 1: and then years later ended up deciding to collaborate and
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  Speaker 1: write music together. So it was a really unique, like
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  Speaker 1: very cool opportunity that I Yeah, it's it's it's crazy
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  Speaker 1: looking back, how you know, how it all came together.
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  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe in the.
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  Speaker 1: Phrase like fake it till you make it?
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's what you had to do
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  Speaker 2: with the acting portion of being on one Tree Hill
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  Speaker 2: and you just had to go in and be like,
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  Speaker 2: this is such a huge opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let anybody know.
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  Speaker 2: That I actually don't have like trained acting skills.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just fake it till you make it?
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  Speaker 2: Or were you really proactive about the acting side of things,
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  Speaker 2: like were you getting lessons?
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  Speaker 1: How did that work? That's a great question. I think
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  Speaker 1: in general, yes, I think that you have to act
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  Speaker 1: as if in certain situations and you have to pull
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  Speaker 1: from just this idea that you ultimately wouldn't have gotten
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  Speaker 1: this job or this part or whatever it is if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have the capability to do it. I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's an important part of learning how to do something,
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  Speaker 1: is believing that you can do it in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm also I'm from Ohio. Originally I'm very like
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  Speaker 1: self deprecating, and so I was not shy about saying, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: this is new for me. If I get in your light,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in a scene, please tell me. And I
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  Speaker 1: was really lucky to have co stars who were extremely
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  Speaker 1: supportive and helpful, so, you know, everything from Hillary Burton
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  Speaker 1: helping me, you know, when maybe something in a scene
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  Speaker 1: when I wasn't sure how to you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: choreograph walking to this side of the set to the
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  Speaker 1: next to Sophia Bush, you know, stopping a fan from
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  Speaker 1: stealing my purse when we were all out, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a very welcoming experience with the women
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  Speaker 1: from the show, which was something that I feel like
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  Speaker 1: looking back, I mean, I'm so grateful for it. But
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  Speaker 1: it was also a time in you know, the media
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  Speaker 1: and pop call sure when I feel like women were
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  Speaker 1: being pitted against each other a lot. You know. It
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  Speaker 1: was like my first episode on One Tree Hill was
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  Speaker 1: with Kevin Fetterline. He was like playing the lead singer
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  Speaker 1: in MIA's band. And this was right when like the
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  Speaker 1: media was being horrible to Brittany and everybody was you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: up in arms about that. So it was really a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: special thing to have that camaraderie and to have that support.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: So I was proactive about saying, this is a job,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: this is a craft. I need to you know, really
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: like I need to know what I'm doing. I need
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to be a pro I need to show up and
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: know my lines and understand how this works. But also
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of support and I am very
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: grateful for that. That's so cool.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And I do think looking back at that time frame
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: and when that show was like just poppin', it's like
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: it really was a time in the media where women
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: were pitted against each other. So that's actually really cool
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that you felt that kind of like sisterhood or friendship
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: with those women. Yeah, and I think people respect humility,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you know. I feel like the fact that you were
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: coming in there and being like, Okay, I have to
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: pretend like I know everything and that I'm totally comfortable
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: with this, because I think people sometimes feel that way
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and it's maybe it's too much pressure on yourself or
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it can make you seem like you're not open to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: direction and stuff like that. So you probably approached it
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: with the perfect the perfect way where you're like, hey,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my best, putting my best foot forward, but
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: open to communication and just.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Like being a better cast mate. So that's pretty cool. Yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that I totally agree. I think it's important to be
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: honest about where you're at creatively because everybody's been there,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: right everybody had their first job, everybody had their first
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: show where they were terrified up there. You know, most
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: people I think who perform or do anything in front
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: of the camera for a living have some degree of
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: stage right. So it's you know, like a lot of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: us are like weird introverted artists. Like getting up in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: front of people and entertaining everyone is not like I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: never set out to be the center of attention, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that ends up being, you know, part of the job.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I think that a mixture of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: sort of saying, hey, I'm taking this seriously and I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: working really hard and I so appreciate your help, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: also I might need help and I'm not you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I don't know one hundred percent what
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm doing yet. Is that goes a long way, I think.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do you feel like there was any
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: degree of that on The Bachelor? I mean it's a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: different type of performance, but it's a type of that's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a skill to be able to entertain an audience and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: be yourself in front of a camera on an unscripted show. Like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: did that take some getting used to it?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I had a really hard time, Uh, I struggled with it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I was very uncomfortable, just like I wasn't. I'm not
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable to let my guard down around people or in dating.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Like I think I'm such an open book online. I'm
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: just totally comfortable people ask me questions about my personal life.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: For the most part, I'm pretty comfortable to share my
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: feelings or thoughts like perspective. But something about having to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: like act natural with cameras on me, it just never
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: felt natural. I don't think I ever got used to it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: The only time I think maybe I did get used
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to it was after I was completely off the season
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and I was with the guy from the show, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: we came back for like a segment on a future
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: show that actually never even aired, and it was the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: only time that I truly forgot that the cameras were there.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's because it was no
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: longer about me, Like we were there to talk to,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you know, other people that are being featured on the show,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: so we were kind of just like secondary characters, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: guess you would say. And that was the only time
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I actually felt comfortable. And maybe it's because there wasn't
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: pressure or like pressure to to feel anything or to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: say the right thing, like you were just I was
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: just there, And maybe that's maybe that's a good indicator
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of how it felt being on the show, because I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: think there is a pressure to like you, you want
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to fall in love and you want this to work
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: it out, and even though any one's specifically pressuring you,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you kind of feel pressure yourself. So I don't think
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I really got used to it when I was a
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: contestant on the show. It just always felt a little
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: bit unnatural to me.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But that's charming to hear though, like as a you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I think that that probably
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: is something that vulnerability is something that an audience can
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: relate to. So even though for you it's like you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: wish it was a little bit more comfortable, to me,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so charming because I think everybody, yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and I think everybody feels that way because it's it's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: awkward enough trying to find love without cameras in your face.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So I think that's part of it's weird. That's kind
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of part of the appeal, is that you know, people
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: are just they're just being themselves and they're trying to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not think about the camera right. It's an interesting like
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: dichotomy there. It is so cool. It is interesting.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, before I let you go, I wanted to ask
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you about your new single. It's called The Only One,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Is that right? And it just came out in May.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Can you tell us about the songwriting process and what
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you're excited for people to hear when they listen to it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm so excited about this song. So this
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: is one of our like this is the love song,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of perfect for this conversation about the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: bachelor and finding love. Like the Only One is really
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: about just that feeling when you find somebody and you
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: just get this magical sort of spark and you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the chorus lines are I want to sleep in your
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: T shirt, I want to sing through your speakers, And
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it's like just that sweet feeling of like finding somebody
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: who just like opens up these different sort of galaxies
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: for you. And it was really fun to write because
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of music that's just
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: really fun, Like our record is this these big guitars,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: this indie synth pop. It's kind of like a lot
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of the theme is sort of about like finding the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: fun and the party and like a refuge in the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: chaos of like a world that feels very post apocalyptics sometimes,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and we really wanted to just make an album that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you could like jump up and down on your bed
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and sing with your friends, you know, And this song
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it's still that, but it's like this is the really
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, bringing a little bit of our
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: emo pasted into it. This like, you know, emotional love
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: song just about the magic of finding that person who
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a first date and you're just
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like majorly crushing on this person, or whether it's you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: someone you've been with. I've been married to my husband
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: for almost twelve years, you know, and so it's like
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that feeling kind of is something everybody can relate to,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: whether it's all across the board. So it's one of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: my favorite songs. It's very like galactic, like the sounds
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and stuff are really sort of floaty, and it's very
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: singable and fun. So I'm really excited for people to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: hear it. It's been really cool to hear their sponts
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: so far. That's so cool.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I love the way you described even the sounds in it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I'm really I'm really happy for you guys, it sounds awesome.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Where can everyone find you and where can they listen
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: to your music?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, so they can find me on any social
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: media platform. I'm at Kate Vogel and your Future Ghost
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: is on every platform as well. We're on Spotify, We're
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: on Apple Music, We're on anywhere you can think of.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And I would love to hear people's feedback on the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: songs and would love to just see everybody at the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: shows when we start touring. We're we're hoping to sort
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of get all of that stuff worked out soon, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: we're dropping our debut album this summer, so I have
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a lot we have a lot of new music coming
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: soon that I cannot wait for everybody to hear. So
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: definitely hop over and say hi on Instagram, TikTok, anywhere.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I would love to. I love I love hearing like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: sharing our music with new fans and stuff too. So
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it's if you saw me on The Bachelor way back
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, hopefully you'll be excited about
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: this this new stuff. It's it's I'm really proud of it,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like just beyond excited about it. It's so cool.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to come watch when you guys go
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: on tour. I'm in La too, but you guys have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a show there or somewhere close by.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely, when we have a show in La,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I'll yeah, I'll absolutely be sure to let you know
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: when we're coming through. It's going to be a lot
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of fun. I love that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us on Beyond
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the Bachelor, and thank you guys for listening.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Follow the Ben and Ashley
• 25:56
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• 26:00
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