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F1 2025 | Dutch GP Recap & Italian GP Preview - Fast Laps with the Boys · Banter with the Boys

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and laced up let's go it's time for banter with
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the boys here we are joe do you like chicken
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nuggets i love chicken nuggets i do too welcome
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back to banter with the boys fast laps where
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we got the dutch gp recap italian gp preview
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Mike, how's it going? Hi, what's going on? Welcome
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back. I'm back for another show. It's really
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good to have you. Some energy going on here.
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Yeah. You're back at work now. I am back at work
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again, unfortunately. How was your first day?
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Yeah, I was there. Wait, today was your first
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day? No, no, no. No, Friday was my first day.
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Oh, that's right. I came back and worked eight
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days and then went out for the weekend and then
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came back. That's so stupid. I hated that. That's
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right. I forgot about that. I worked yesterday
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for Labor Day, though. Time and a half, but hey,
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it was an easy 12 hours. At time and a half,
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though. But at time and a half, though. At night.
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You know what Labor and Labor Day means? Yes,
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sir. Right, right. I definitely put the labor
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in Labor Day. Hard labor. Okay. He puts the hard
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in Labor Day. Hard labor. Yeah, right. Hard labor.
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He puts the hard in Labor Day. No, not the hard
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in Labor Day. No, he puts the labor in the hard
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labor. God. Kev is behind the camera. Thanks,
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Kev. Kev is behind the camera. As always. This
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is off the rails. Joe. Hey, Schmelzi. How's it
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going? Do you have your mom waiting for you on
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the ready already? uh yeah actually dude i'm
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very fragile i feel this episode you know it's
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just yeah it's just it was a difficult race a
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lot of ups and downs a lot oh my god like the
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extreme up truly and like from like many teams
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i root for i'm like it was truly an emotional
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roller coaster i was watching alone because i
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i got up at 8 a .m i was watching alone yeah
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yep and i am uh yeah it was just it was i'm really
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look really looking forward to getting into it
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watching alone either i forgot i was gonna text
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you and tell you about a genius idea that i had
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where i was really hoping that we would go and
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talk about our teams and i was like you would
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start off by talking about mclaren popping off
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about mclaren has talking everything you got
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to do then we'd be like williams next and you'd
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be like anyways and you take your hat off and
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go put on the williams hat honestly i was like
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considering as like a form of What's the word?
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Solidarity for signs. Wearing the Williams hat
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today just because. And then Halban. Okay, we'll
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get into it. We're about to get into it. Kev,
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behind the camera, did I mention that? I don't
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know. If I did, he's still here. Don't worry
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about it. Kev, let's head right into our Dutch
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GP recap. Recap. yeah i was about to say welcome
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back to banter with the boys but you're already
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here here we go uh yes quality practice any notes
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on that i have joe's got so many notes i have
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like this like okay so i bring notes all the
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time typically practices take up like the top
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quarter i would say More than half of my first
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page is just from practice one and two. And then
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I get into a couple quali. So just to kind of
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get through it really quickly. Hamilton has a
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spin. FP1. Seatbelts now. Yeah, we should get
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seatbelts. We should buckle in. That'll make
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us look really professional. Anyway, sorry. Sorry,
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I'm going off the rails. Sorry. FP1, we see Hamilton
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has a spin but keeps it on track right before
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the first banking turn. Yuki spins after the
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DRS straight, slides through the gravel. Kimi
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Antonelli has a big understeer after a flat -out
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section. of s1 s1 sector sector one goes into
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the gravel and is beached there beached i love
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that term max after the session is over for a
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free practice one he he does a practice start
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locks up at turn one and then goes into the gravel
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and beaches it um really good in free practice
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one free practice two it was raining a little
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bit beforehand so cars are still on slicks but
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they're on a very slightly damp track stroll
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gets some crazy understeer going into the first
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banging instead of turning almost goes straight
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into the wall big crash restart an almost immediate
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yellow flag as hadjar loses power and is told
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to stop on track the virtual safety car comes
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out as they clear the track i don't think i've
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ever seen a vsc or maybe i've seen it once before
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this season where they have a vsc during a practice
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session so that's kind of interesting right it
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was like i think you're right i think because
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he parked well enough that they were able to
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take it off but they didn't want to just like
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red flag the session which is what they always
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do so that's kind of interesting to see it just
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meant no one like could take still nothing going
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on yeah um Hamilton spins again, but on a different
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part of the track, still keeping it out of the
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wall. This is a little foreshadowing. Albon goes
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off at turn one after locking up while braking
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late. He slides through the gravel and does bend
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his front wing, and then he gets beached trying
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to get out. While George is coming into the pit
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lane after the red flag, he starts crossing a
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McLaren garage, which Piastri just started to
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turn into, but suddenly he turned back into the
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fast lane to go to the second garage in the pit.
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turning directly into george and almost maybe
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even making contact there's a bit of wheel smoke
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as george breaks hard um the incident did get
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noted but nothing came of it and in fp3 alonzo
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dives into the pit lane on a fast lap uh the
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mercedes doesn't see this and starts edging into
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the pit lane in front almost colliding with him
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uh merc swerves over and alonzo breaks fast the
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merc retreating back to the track for another
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lap lando was fastest in all three practices
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All right. Those are just the practices. Poor
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Orlando. Yep. Kuali. Stroll spins off track into
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the gravel, hits the wall with his front wing
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in the final banking turn of Q1. What a stun.
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He does make it back to the pits, but he gets
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out of the car, does not come back out. Lando
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sets a record with 108 .874 in his first run
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in Q2. Lando now the new all -time lap record
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holder until Piastri takes the lap record with
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a 108 .662, his first Q3 lap. Lando only. 12
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,000 seconds off on his first in Q3. They do
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not get better than that. Piastri, Norris Verstappen.
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We're going to get into this as well, but while
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on the grid before race start, Hamilton under
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investigation for a yellow flag infringement.
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Yeah, and we can just talk about that yellow
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flag infringement real quick. Sure. That was
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during Quali. That was actually on their way
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to their grid spots before the race. Before the
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race. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they
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had a double yellow at that last corner even.
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I can't remember why. There were people on the
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track. Okay. Like, still people that were standing
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on track in Hamilton came through double yellow
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flags or flat out. That's so crazy to do going
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to the grid. even the tifosi are mad at him and
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that says something because he's a ferrari driver
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why were people on i mean it doesn't matter it's
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it's what they do like they have people on track
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at the start because you know they start on their
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grid positions or whatever and like was he where
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was he going flat out do you know it was in sector
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three somewhere i don't know jeez okay it was
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clearly close enough that they felt that it was
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it was considered Highly dangerous for the people
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on track. And so he was handed a five place grid
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penalty. Yep. Did not affect that race because
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he ended up not finishing this race. So it will
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affect next race. Correct. So in. Monza. He'll
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have a five -place grid penalty. Monza. Ferrari
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will have a five -place grid penalty. The Tifosi
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are in shambles. I mean, after this race, shoot.
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Should we just start with Ferrari? Go for it.
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Start from the bottom? Go for it. You know what?
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Why don't we do this? If you're about it, you've
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done an amazing job on this document. Do you
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want to just bring in each team? i can do that
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sure go for it all right i mean ferrari just
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i mean straight up what a downright awful day
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i just read that yeah i i put at the end uh after
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kind of like just some notes here hamilton crashes
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hitting wet paint on the first banking um he
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messed up charles strategy he had just pit and
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then he gave everyone else free pits charles
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fell behind and then unfortunately Charles gets
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hit by rookie Antonelli. That's Hamilton. Yeah.
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Because Charles was driving the crap out of that
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car. He was driving the crap out of the car.
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They both get out of the car, end up on the dunes
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of Zandvoort. And then, yeah. And then I know
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that Hamilton gets the five grid place penalty.
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We learned that after the race. And then I put
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in parentheses, mama mia. It's all bad. Before
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they crash, obviously Hamilton was not locked
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in. this weekend he had a lot of issues throughout
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the weekend yep um leading up to the race so
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just a bad i don't know uh i don't know if that's
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normally a line he should be taking if he's maybe
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it was just poor judgment um some drivers were
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like did did note like or rather we did hear
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from commentators that like engineers were telling
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drivers that don't get on the paint because it's
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wet and it's slippery but that was probably after
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hamilton um I mean, they don't crash. Where do
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they place? How are they looking? Can they come
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back for Monza? They'll come back fine for Monza,
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I think. Well, Hamilton, I'm not sure. Hamilton
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was struggling a bit. through the weekend and
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kind of all day. Charles, I don't know, was having
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a great GP, though. I thought he was bound to
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have a podium finish. He kept getting close and
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close to Hadjar, but couldn't really make it
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stick. I think he would have battled for it,
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low -key, for me. I don't think the Ferraris
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are going to do great in Monza. They did get
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almost a 1 -2. Charles did finish first last
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year. He did. That was last year. That was last
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year. You just don't think the cars made any
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improvement? I think the car is different this
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year than it was last year. I guess I'll out
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myself in the fact that I've seen some people
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who are more technical -minded talking about
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the Ferrari and Monza for next week and are talking
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especially about Hamilton's five -place grid
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penalty. Which is huge. He is in a rough spot
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because... The Ferrari right now is not the fastest
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car in a straight line and is severely more draggy
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than other cars. And right now the Ferrari is
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performing better in high downforce tracks. Meanwhile,
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lower downforce tracks like Monza, where it's
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just all about speed, the Ferrari is struggling
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more. And so because of that, people are expecting
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that Ferrari are not going to do super great
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in Monza. So we have one, two, three, four, five,
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six, seven, eight, nine races left. Mercedes
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is 12 points behind Ferrari. Can Kimi do enough?
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We know George has been fairly consistent right
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now. So we're kind of counting George in points.
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We're kind of counting Charles in points. Is
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it kind of like a race between Hamilton and Kimi
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Antonelli to see who can kind of get enough points
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to put their team? second in the constructors.
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I mean, why not? I mean, 12 points is obtainable.
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Antonelli just has to, like, this is, you know,
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he's got to stop being a rookie, right? He's
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got to start driving just a little bit safer,
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and the car will kind of take him there a little
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bit. And Toto was like, hey, it's a learning
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year, is what he said of Antonelli's situation
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there with Charles. I mean, should we go into
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Mercedes, I guess? Yeah, I mean, the only other
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team, the team right before Mercedes, I guess
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not really. But actually, yeah, the team right
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before Mercedes would be Alpine. Yeah. Hey, actually.
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To be fair, Colapinto gained like another, other
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than the Lando thing. Ugh, rip. We'll get there.
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Other than the Lando thing, Colapinto gained
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another place at the end of the race. I mean,
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he was climbing. On the second half of that race.
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So it wasn't the worst thing in the world for
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me to see from him, to be honest with you. I
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actually thought it was a pretty good weekend
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for him. Yeah, might as well just, you know,
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I know before break I was calling for a change
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in the second seat. After that, just let him
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be. Just let him finish the season. Let's just
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see. You know, you guys signed him to a multi
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-year deal as a reserve driver for a reason.
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Just see. Just see what happens. You know what
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I mean? I thought the Alpines were... I mean,
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not great, but they're better than they have
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been this weekend. It wasn't the worst. performance
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that we've seen on them so it's still not the
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performance they want no points unfortunately
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yeah um but and i think it's possible ghastly
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maybe got caught out a little bit by ghastly
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also ended up only stopping once so i think it
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okay right they took a gamble on his strategy
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and it just didn't pan out yeah so is what oh
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yeah i do remember he was pretty uh he was like
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really really old tires at the end there is what
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it is for alpine but i'm not super negative yeah
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yeah you know so oh well um but yeah we can talk
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about we i mean since we just were we can talk
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about mercedes a little bit more um russell made
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up a single place he had a moment or two with
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charles during the race otherwise it was fairly
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fairly quiet for him well consistent i would
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say he made a place because of lando i believe
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so i mean he did i mean he did We can't hide
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that. Yeah, I mean, he had some battles, like
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some fighting with Charles, right? Oh, man, I
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loved that. The Charles and George fights, like,
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ooh, that got me excited. Oh, yeah, he was fighting
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against Hajar as well, and yeah, there were some
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fights with him, so definitely. what you said
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here about Kimmy. He will get better, but 16th
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is where he deserves to be this time around.
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Totally agree. Too many mistakes. That's exactly
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why I put it. I like the kid, but... I do, too.
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I think we have a great rookie class. I'm really
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excited for next season to see. I mean, yeah,
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new regs. It's going to be crazy, right? But
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really excited to see everybody's year, too,
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really. I like how as well the... Like, Charles
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Leclerc came out and said, I'm not upset about
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the accident. It was an accident. It happens.
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Mercedes came out. We're like, we're not upset
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with him. Ferrari came out. We're like, we're
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not upset with Kimi. He made a mistake. He's
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a rookie. It's going to happen. It's not the
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end of the world. We're not upset. And meanwhile,
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I've been seeing that the Tavosi are completely
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pitchforks and fires up ready. Well, it's because
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the whole weekend was trashed. That's why. Yeah,
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and I get it. It's better if Hamilton finishes
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somewhere. Right. Ideally in the top 10, probably
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top seven somewhere, right? ideally finishes
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up there. If he does, do you think they're just
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as frustrated? Yeah. I mean, Charles was driving
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the crap out of the car. He was running a blue
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-collar race for me and was succeeding at it.
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It's a shame. For where the car is. Let's talk
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about Haas. Are we on Haas? Haas or Sauber? He's
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just throwing it in there. We totally have a
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different... Actually, we should talk about Sauber
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really quick. I had no notes for Sauber. It was
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literally the only team that I didn't write anything
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for. They were just kind of stuck in the back.
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Gabby did okay. Gabby drove better than Nico
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did all weekend. Aside from that, it was just
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kind of a do -nothing weekend for them. I don't
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think this was a strong track for their car.
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It is what it is. It sucks that, you know, they
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fell behind Racing Bulls this weekend because
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of the big point haul. But, you know. Yeah, I
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mean. It is what it is. That Racing Bulls points
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isn't going to happen every week. And again,
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with, what did I say, nine races left? Who knows?
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Sauber's only nine points behind Racing Bulls.
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Right. So it's still very doable. It's still
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a fight for the midfield. So just take your lumps
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and move on to the next weekend. Yep. I'll have
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a really funny one when we get to quotes. I've
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got a really funny quote from Nico. The Haas
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dream. The Haas dream. Bearman from 20th to 6th.
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Bearman from the pit lane to 6th. Crazy. Sorry.
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Oh, sorry. We're sorry. I mean, insane, right?
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His best ever finish. Okan was there, too, and
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he got points. Okan got points. That's a double
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-point finish. Double -point finish. Double -point
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finish for the Haas team. That didn't make a
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huge difference. They're still in ninth. Only
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seven back is Sauber. But, yeah, they're fighting
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still. 24 ahead of Alpine. I feel like Haas is
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haunted by their one -lap pace right now. And
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they're just getting caught out in qualifying
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every weekend. But if we can see them qualify,
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then we could see maybe even more pace out of
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them. So I'm very excited. I've said it since
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the beginning. Watching Oliver race is so much
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fun. Watching that guy, it's awesome. Great strategy
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from Haas. Great drive from both drivers. Super
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great weekend. I'm super happy. They did great.
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Again, decked out in Haas for a reason. Decked
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out in Haas for a reason. Very usual. Another
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kind of comeback kid, Aston Martin. Out of nowhere.
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seven and eight they were late they looked great
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they looked really good all weekend long despite
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stroll crashing um they were quick they were
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like up there pretty much throughout each session
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um last two races have been okay for yeah so
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i'm curious with them being what is it there
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is that 18 points behind williams yeah uh now
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williams also got 10 points this week but If
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Williams can consistently finish, they should
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have fifth locked up. I think we talked about
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that before. But if they can't consistently finish
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well, Aston Racing Bulls can catch up. If Hulkenberg
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gets a podium, I don't know. It's a fight for
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fifth right now. As crazy as this is. Which I
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love, by the way. I love it. I love midfield
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fights. I love when there's a midfield fight.
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It's like a second race for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. So. about that oh oh williams right oh
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god yeah ask martin is catching them but williams
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is also on an upswing i think i think they have
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probably well carlos sign sucks whoa i'm just
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kidding stop the show there's i don't know how
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you don't see i don't know how you don't see
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that but whatever i'm about to throw my shoes
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i'm just kidding anyway this is my last pod this
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is my last um uh I mean, we can segue into Williams
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because, you know, you're right. They're fighting
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for fifth at the moment. Have fifth at the moment.
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I mean, signs before his moment with Liam Lawson,
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and I want to talk about that. And so we will.
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Signs are a decent weekend. Actually, we will
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talk about them next because I think we're into
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the top three at that point. Yeah, might as well.
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So, Williams. uh i mean signs was right next
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to albon before his incident like they could
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have gotten so many points and like sign said
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it perfectly it's like it seems every time i'm
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i'm like up for a good weekend with good points
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something happens and it's like yep i mean just
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unlucky af he got yeah it's it was unlucky albon
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however an amazing race 15th to 5th like just
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crazy driving from albon like insane right doing
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what doing everything he can with that car no
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williams had around i don't even see it he's
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not even a fan my crystal ball my my binoculars
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i said it last week i was like one of two drivers
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are going to finish in fifth it's going to be
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alonso or albon nice and then i watched both
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of them like qualify well outside of fifth i
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was like whoa this is going to age poorly and
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then it worked out overall it was a good race
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like there's a lot of switch ups you know um
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Yeah. Will they keep fifth in the constructors,
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you think? Man, so the problem is that I feel
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like, well, no, actually. Both Aston and Williams
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seem to have bad races and good races, and Williams
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just have had more good races. I think they can
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keep fifth. I want them to keep fifth. Obviously,
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my predictions want Aston, but I think Williams
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can do it. 18 points in the bottom field, in
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the bottom half of the field, 18 points. could
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be a stretch but you also i mean you also just
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need one really good race one really good race
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or one race for will one of the williams drivers
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to straight up not finish again or outside of
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points again if you can get both cars in the
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points you're making ground yeah and like i think
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we're past i'm personally past the the era maybe
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not the era i'm kind of past the moment of like
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Alonzo better than Stroll. Alonzo's the one.
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Stroll's driving that car just as hard as Alonzo
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is. He's just making more mistakes, I think.
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Stroll's actually had a solid year. He's had
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a good year. Do you have the drivers? He's 11th
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in drivers. He's two points ahead of Fernando
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Alonzo. For now. They're right there, though.
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They've both been battling. Still behind Nico.
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I'm not saying he's as good as Alonzo. I'm just
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saying they're driving the car kind of the same
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at the moment. I would hope you wouldn't say
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that. That'd be crazy. That's just kind of how
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that is. All right, let's talk about the moment
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really quick because we're getting into V -Car
21:26
now. Go for it. I want to talk about the bad
21:30
before we talk about the great. Yep. Liam Lawson.
21:32
You dislike Liam Lawson a lot. I really disliked
21:35
him this weekend. They had a moment, turn one.
21:41
Liam cut up. He was ahead of the apex. Signs
21:44
did get the penalty for not moving. It still
21:48
was a move he didn't need to make. That's my
21:51
argument. Signs, I think Signs also put it perfectly.
21:55
I know I'm going to go against Liam because I
21:56
really like Signs, but I just think it was an
21:58
unneeded move. It was like he took a risky move
22:00
that cost points where other drivers would not
22:03
do that if they were in the same position, and
22:05
he's done similar things throughout the rest
22:07
of the season, and I agree with that. Lawson
22:09
has made bad judgment calls before. Oh, we know.
22:13
We know that. The stewards handed him the penalty.
22:15
I thought I heard. I don't know if this was resolved.
22:18
I thought I heard they refused to talk to Carlos
22:21
after the race. Literally, he walked up to go
22:23
talk to them, and they were like, we've got nothing
22:24
to talk about. Yeah, that was crazy. Because
22:26
he said right away. I think that was a comment.
22:28
He said he wanted to go talk to the stewards.
22:31
Right away. So my point of view, Lawson obviously
22:37
drove into signs. But rules written, he was ahead
22:41
of the apex. It was his line to take. Signs should
22:44
have backed off, but it could have been done
22:47
in just a much better way. Where neither of them
22:51
got hurt, and Lawson could have gotten actual
22:53
points if he just kind of gave him a little bit
22:56
more space. Lawson was running okay as well.
22:57
He was actually holding his own. My thing, my
23:01
shtick on it is that technically, Liam did have...
23:07
possession of the corner right it was his corner
23:09
quote but my other big thing is that another
23:12
huge argument between drivers and whatnot and
23:15
fans and everyone else is race etiquette right
23:18
and leaving room for the driver right like you
23:23
can close the window but if that closing the
23:25
window is going to result in an accident then
23:27
leave some room you know and he had the entire
23:31
track he had the traction he had the corner he
23:34
could have taken a line on the inside given could
23:38
have squeezed Carlos is fine but didn't need
23:41
to literally squeeze him off of the track that's
23:44
poor race etiquette it's just a rookie move he
23:47
could have just taken the inside line taken the
23:49
better traction stayed ahead of Carlos and then
23:52
kind of forced Carlos into its suboptimal line
23:55
and Carlos would have had to get on the brakes
23:56
and then he could have kept Carlos behind that
23:59
way saved both of their races but he didn't because
24:01
he's arrogant and he said this is my corner and
24:04
I'm going to take and cost both of them their
24:06
race yeah and it's just poor race etiquette and
24:09
i don't like this guy Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's
24:12
quite obvious. I'd love to hear your take, Schmelze.
24:14
I'm watching it again. I'm watching it again.
24:16
Yeah, I'm watching it again. While you're watching
24:18
it, yeah, just again, I agree with you. I think
24:20
like, and you said it, racing etiquette versus
24:23
rules. Yeah, you're right. Like, it's just unfortunate.
24:27
While he's looking at it, 10 seconds was crazy.
24:31
For a move he did not intentionally make. Yes,
24:33
he, I mean, how can you give a guy 10 seconds
24:36
for staying still, essentially? Listen, like,
24:39
it's crazy. Give me the hat. Oh, he's getting
24:42
the hat. This is almost not even a hat anymore.
24:45
It's almost not even a hat anymore. Oh, man.
24:47
How much of this is because of all of the talk
24:51
about Carlos Sainz Sr. wanting to run against
24:54
MBS and they're punishing Mr. Carlos Sainz Jr.?
25:01
Wow. This is my real, this is the most tinfoil
25:05
-y hat. Yeah. argument that i've made you had
25:08
me completely lost until the until like the last
25:12
bit there i mean like that punishing science
25:14
junior for science senior so carlos ended up
25:17
with a 10 second penalty yeah 10 seconds so okay
25:21
and then also they refused they refused to talk
25:23
to carlos afterwards so even more i knew that
25:26
i remember that for sure sorry i'm just letting
25:30
this play out one more time i'm just looking
25:32
up as if I'm just looking to see if they ever.
25:36
Ten seconds from now. No, bro. Yeah. Liam's wheel
25:40
moves. I want to quote science. As he's riding
25:43
up the track. Yeah. Which is natural science,
25:46
right? But his wheel moves. I mean, no. No, I
25:50
mean, Liam definitely makes the move up. Like,
25:52
he tries cutting off signs. He just doesn't have
25:54
any room. Like you said, he has the corner. But,
25:59
yeah, he doesn't leave Carlos any room at all.
26:02
Yeah. Zero. but he has yeah it's his corner that's
26:08
crazy man i don't know 10 seconds for carlos
26:11
on that is i don't like if it were a five second
26:14
penalty i would have been like okay just whatever
26:16
then it's just but that sucks but like yeah 10
26:18
seconds is crazy yeah for uh for on tv a penalty
26:22
that seems so cut and dry so cut and dry liam's
26:24
fault initially yeah To see Carlos get, yeah,
26:28
I mean, everyone was shocked. Everyone was upset.
26:31
I have a quote from Carlos really quick. The
26:33
most confusing part is that the FIA always tells
26:35
us that doors are open to go and see the stewards
26:37
and consult any type of doubt, but I just received
26:40
a message that they would rather not talk to
26:42
me right now. I don't know where this is coming
26:43
from. Yeah, so just another, I mean, that is,
26:47
that is, I mean, it's crazy. It's not the reason,
26:50
I hope. We might have to make a short of just
26:53
that and we're going to get banned. Yeah. The
26:56
hat is back on. I'm telling you. This is a conspiracy.
27:04
The look on his face when he said that. It's
27:07
a conspiracy. Crazy. So better news. Let's talk
27:11
about the great Isaac Hajar. Isaac Hajar. He
27:17
did not do anything crazy. He just... Kept it
27:22
on track. He kept it in his place, and he got
27:25
rewarded with his best ever finish in F1 and
27:28
a podium for V -Carb. Yep. That's Kev's boy,
27:31
by the way. Kevin is celebrating behind the camera.
27:33
Kev, your favorite driver? ESOC guy. Kev's rookie
27:37
favorite driver. Yeah, I mean, yeah. ISAC, ESAC,
27:40
whatever. HAJAR. I'll say HEJAR. I'll say HAJAR,
27:44
rather. I'll say HAJAR. Just a crazy good...
27:47
I said HIJAR because you kept saying ESAC, ISAC.
27:50
It's just... I'm just going to say Isaac. Are
27:52
you saying English right now? Hajar. I mean,
27:55
honestly, I've said this already. Rookie of the
27:57
year for me. Just from the get -go. Easily. Really
28:02
good rookies this year. But Hajar has just been
28:05
above and beyond, like, a good driver. Much deserved.
28:10
Like, I'll let you kind of, like, gush a little
28:12
bit about him because I know you have some stuff.
28:15
Well, I was just going to say, like, the other
28:16
major contender that people have for rookie of
28:18
the year is Kimi Antonelli. And people would
28:21
try and make the argument of, like, oh, well,
28:23
Kimi got a podium in his rookie year. Well, now
28:26
so did Isak. And so, like, that's two of them.
28:28
So, right. So those are equal. So take out the
28:30
podium. Kimi did it in a top field car. And Hazard
28:34
did it in a V -carb. Which is true. Which is
28:38
a midfield carb. Which is true. So that is so
28:41
much more of a... Of an incredible performance
28:44
out of him. He did it entirely on merit. Okay.
28:47
He got the podium. 24 points ahead of Hajar too.
28:50
He got. But again in a better car. In a better
28:52
car. He got the podium. By happenstance. But
28:56
he held. He qualified fourth. Handily. And held
29:00
fourth. He did. He did. For the entire race.
29:03
You gotta give him that. 100%. And he qualified
29:05
only. Like. Less than a second off of. Or less
29:08
than a tenth. I thought it was like a tenth off
29:10
of Verstappen. Wasn't it? Like. Which is crazy.
29:14
Like, master class drive. Yeah. Best drive. Mega
29:18
drive. Not what I would have expected from the
29:20
guy who we saw balling in Anthony Hamilton's
29:24
arms. Well, and that's just it. Where he came
29:26
from, he's continued to work his way up to now
29:30
getting in a podium. Yes, if... We'll get to
29:34
McLaren. If that doesn't happen, does he have
29:36
a podium? Probably not. Probably not, right?
29:38
But still, even if he would have finished P4,
29:41
we would have been talking about him just the
29:42
same. Like, this is crazy. And now even getting
29:44
that first podium of the career, he's got the
29:47
taste. Let's see what happens. Also, I just heard
29:51
today as well that after this, currently SAC's
29:55
average podium or current position, average position
29:58
thus far in the season is 9 .2. So. He averages
30:03
at least ninth every single race. Finishing?
30:07
His finishing position is ninth. Average is nine.
30:11
That's wild. Interesting. He is averaging in
30:15
the points. Low point finishes, but when you
30:18
consider that the top eight cars are typically
30:21
going to be... Yeah, he's only finished 9th twice.
30:25
Or no, I'm sorry, that's 10th. He's finished
30:26
9th once, but he's had a couple other good races.
30:29
He's had a couple higher and he's had a couple
30:31
lower, right? Montreal, Spain, you know. And
30:33
now, obviously, the Dutch GP. Big win for him.
30:37
So that is... That was my fun little news on
30:41
him. Rookie of the year. Yeah, I think so. I
30:45
mean, let's jump in. Let's kind of segue by saying
30:49
this. There are two... red bull teams on the
30:52
grid at the moment um one team though right joel
30:55
sure there's uh a second seat that's always under
30:59
contention always under contention uh in the
31:03
red bull team um does hadjar uh sorry does isaac
31:09
get looked at for the second seat does he get
31:12
demoted to red bull a car that he says he's not
31:17
ready for probably because he doesn't want to
31:18
go to it because i think he knows he'll struggle
31:20
getting used to it um it also begs the question
31:23
is there this is crazy right is there ever a
31:28
world they put max to test in the v -carb That
31:32
would be wild. Yeah, I doubt it. I hope so. I
31:34
hope that world exists. It's like a tinfoil hat
31:36
moment. I won't put it on, but like. I hope that
31:38
world exists. Yeah. Personally, I don't think
31:42
Hazard's going in the seat this season. If it
31:44
was, it'd be like last race this season, whatever.
31:46
I agree. Not this season. Do you think he's more
31:49
up for next season, though? I still don't think
31:53
so. I still think. I made the argument last week,
31:56
too. Lauren Mechies. Lauren Mechies wants stability.
31:59
Lauren Mechies wants to give Yuki a real shot.
32:02
Who was in points, too. And he was in points
32:06
this weekend. So, like, I think his big deal
32:09
is he's going to say, take your time, learn the
32:11
car, continue to grow. We've seen too many drivers
32:14
get promoted to Red Bull under Horner too fast.
32:19
We see it happen with Albon, Gasly, not so much
32:25
Perez. But then Lawson and now Tsunoda, where
32:29
that second Red Bull seat is just chewing up
32:31
every other driver. I don't think he wants to
32:34
do that to Hajar. Do you want to see it this
32:35
season or next season, Kev? Next season? Start
32:38
of next 26, you want to see Isak Hajar in the
32:42
seat. What I was going to say. That car will
32:47
no longer really exist next season. He's saying
32:50
if that car's a problem, it would no longer exist,
32:53
so why not just throw him in there in 26? Okay.
32:58
And that's just not as a fan of Hajar at all.
33:01
That's just general. Yeah, unbiased. No, my contradiction
33:05
to that, though, is why would you not just keep
33:06
him in the car that he's currently more familiar
33:08
with, which is the V -Carb, to let him get more
33:10
experience? That's all part of Kev's plan. And
33:16
let Yuki kind of trailblaze in that Red Bull
33:21
and get that Red Bull ready for him so that when
33:23
Hajar does get up to that team, he's not under
33:27
the scrutiny of having to drive at a top -level
33:30
team and have to learn and develop a new car
33:34
because they're going to have to develop that
33:36
new car next year. They're going to want benchmarks,
33:38
and they won't have a benchmark for a driver
33:40
who's never driven the car before. Who's never
33:41
been on the varsity squad. I think it's worse
33:43
for the team, and it's worse for Hajar. Oh, man.
33:45
Do you want to know who's ultimately it's worse
33:47
for, though? Yuki Tsunoda. Because he gets to
33:50
sit in the worst car, like a car he can't drive,
33:53
a car that he's losing to both the V -Carbs in
33:55
currently. He's many, many, many points out.
33:58
He's eight points away from Liam. 25 points away
34:04
from Hadjar. That's crazy. Unfortunately, you
34:08
might be signing his death sentence and sending
34:09
him to Red Bull. I understand, though. I get
34:12
it. They're going to have a ton of grace. It's
34:14
a new regs, new car. It is a new regs, new car.
34:17
It doesn't even matter if Max is going to do
34:18
well on that car. True. If you don't hear, Kev
34:23
just said Max is going to retire. That's true.
34:28
Speaking of him, though, Sonota, he did get some
34:31
points. He started in 12th. He came in 9th, so
34:33
he did get a couple points. Good showing from
34:35
him. Max at his home track. He was in 3rd pretty
34:39
much the entire time. He got 2nd. He had a really
34:41
good strategy just getting ahead. The opening
34:43
corners were wild for him. The opening corners
34:44
were good. He did what he set out to do, but
34:47
he couldn't keep it, and I think he knew he couldn't
34:48
keep it. We only heard car struggle comms from
34:53
him near the end of the race. Overall, good showing
34:56
from Max. I think P2 is truly the best that he
34:59
would have expected anyway. I think P3 was probably
35:02
the best he could have expected, but he got P2.
35:04
You're going to take P2 when it's given to you.
35:06
Yeah. That race start from him was freaking awesome,
35:10
man. That was so cool. I was standing in my chair.
35:13
I was like, what is happening right now? Legend.
35:16
Yeah, it was crazy. And I think that's all we
35:18
got, right, guys? We can probably... Yeah, we
35:21
don't need to talk about McLaren. That's fine.
35:23
Okay, well, let's talk about the great before
35:25
we talk about the awful. Again, Piastri. race
35:30
was in the bag right off the line um truly no
35:33
point was he under any real pressure um norris
35:37
if even if norris had not retired he likely would
35:39
have still won i don't think norris would have
35:41
caught him any day of the week piastri had that
35:43
in the bag he was in first the entire time it
35:45
was his race start to finish hats off to him
35:49
his first ever grand slam yes well a grand slam
35:53
he qualified first or he got pole position led
35:57
every lap And had fastest lap. What's all that
36:01
plus fastest in each practice? Is that like a
36:04
Super Grand Slam? I don't think it has a name.
36:07
The Grand Slam, Grand Slam. We should call it
36:09
a Max Verstappen. It was a McLaren Super Grand
36:10
Slam, so that's cool. True, yeah, that's true.
36:12
All right. On lap 65, Lando says he smells smoke.
36:19
We get a wide shot of the car, and we see it
36:21
billowing from the back. Dude. He's told to stop.
36:25
He gets out. He sits on the grass, and he puts
36:28
his head in his hands. When you're sitting on
36:30
the guardrail, that's what got me. Yeah. Like,
36:32
oh, he's so sad. He is now 34 points away from
36:36
Piastri, and I have to ask, this is like, I mean,
36:40
there's nothing really else to talk about. He
36:42
had a good race. It was just incredibly bad luck
36:47
with the Mercedes power unit. So I have to ask
36:50
just one single question. Actually, go ahead.
36:52
Actually, I found out it was not the power unit.
36:54
It was a chassis problem. McLaren released something
36:58
saying that it was a problem with the chassis.
37:01
That smoke from the engine? Right. I guess it
37:04
was something like an oil leak from the chassis.
37:06
I guess that's what I was hearing. I don't know.
37:08
I heard today that it was a chassis problem was
37:11
what they announced. I'm getting fact -checked
37:15
right now. A problem on the chassis side. See?
37:16
What? Chassis problem. That's what I was saying.
37:18
I just heard today. McLaren takes blame for Landon
37:20
North's Dutchie B failure with a problem on the
37:22
chassis side rather than the failure of the car's
37:25
Mercedes engine. Yeah. Gosh, that's crazy. I'm
37:30
going to need an explanation video. From the
37:33
chassis side issue. What? Yeah, I got no clue
37:38
how that could happen. It looks like it should
37:40
have been an engine problem. Oh, man. They want
37:43
me to pay for this article. What is this? What
37:45
do we got going on? They're not saying exactly
37:49
what it is. They have not fully diagnosed it.
37:55
Okay. It wasn't. Okay, so I will take out. It
37:59
was not a Mercedes issue. It was a McLaren issue.
38:01
This is the first problem for the team after
38:04
a long run of faultless reliability. For literally
38:07
years. But it just sucks. That sucks for Lando.
38:11
Yeah. I don't think he's going to. I'm sorry.
38:14
So that's the question I have to ask. Does this
38:17
ruin Lando's championship run? Does it ruin Lando's
38:22
championship run? It's done for me. Are we just
38:25
watching Piastri take it home now? Yeah, I think
38:27
so. Unfortunately. Good for him, but I was hoping
38:30
for a battle. Sorry, go ahead. Somebody smarter
38:33
than me did the math. So assuming that we continue
38:35
to have the same results that we've had of a
38:37
McLaren 1 -2 moving forward, it will take Lando
38:40
five wins without Oscar getting another win for
38:44
Lando to get ahead of Oscar if they're finishing
38:46
1 -2. Wait, wait, wait. So for Lando to get ahead
38:50
of Oscar, if they're finishing one, two every
38:52
single race, he has to win five races. That's
38:56
pretty close, actually. That doesn't make sense
38:58
to me. Oscar will need to come in second. Because
39:02
it's a 25 -18 point difference, right? Correct.
39:04
So that's seven points each race. Yeah, that's
39:06
30 points. 35 points, yep. That's 35 points.
39:09
That's actually way better odds. I'm bad at math.
39:13
I was too. Keep in mind, that's how many he needs
39:17
currently to get ahead of him. If he wants to
39:19
get ahead of Oscar, he needs to win the next
39:21
five in a row with Oscar coming in second to
39:23
the next five in a row. He doesn't need to win
39:25
the next five in a row. He doesn't have to win
39:26
five races. What I'm saying is that if Oscar
39:30
wins another race, that only pushes that even
39:32
further. That's a good point. That only makes
39:34
it even harder for him. That's a good point.
39:37
For every win that Oscar gets from now on, that
39:41
only multiplies, right? I see. Darn it. Because
39:46
at this point, for every win that Oscar gets,
39:48
Lando's going to need probably, what, close to
39:50
two? Like 1 .5 wins for every win that Oscar
39:52
gets? Yeah. Wee. Should collectively, you and
39:56
me, should never do math again. I feel like I'm
40:00
typically okay about it. He said someone else
40:04
did the math for you. That is true. We're good.
40:08
You immediately made me feel better and now I
40:11
feel worse again. You're good. That in mind,
40:15
knowing that it is still possible, he could pull
40:18
it out. He got three wins in a row. It is possible.
40:23
Incredibly unlikely. possible uh it's it's i
40:28
think we're watching piaggio just cross the finish
40:30
line man it is truly heartbreaking to know that
40:33
we're probably not going to get a last race shootout
40:35
between them yeah um and that Everyone will refer
40:41
back to this race as to why Lando did not win.
40:46
That's a really tough pill to swallow. I've got
40:51
a feeling that that is going to really affect
40:53
Lando mentally. Lando has to know this too. Lando
40:57
needs to see all this stuff going on as well.
40:59
He sees this. He knows it. Between the two drivers,
41:04
he has the weaker mental. Yeah, I think I agree.
41:07
And while it's... I'm hoping he knows that it's
41:12
definitely not his fault, but I don't think that
41:15
would help. I'm hoping it helps a little bit,
41:17
but it shouldn't help fully because now he's
41:19
blaming McLaren probably. I almost feel like
41:21
it's worse that he knows that it's not his fault.
41:24
It's not that he could have done better. Yeah,
41:25
exactly, because he's like, well, it was out
41:27
of my hands that I couldn't have done this, and
41:29
that's even more depressing because I can't improve
41:32
on something that's out of my hands. Okay, hear
41:34
me out. Yep. Next race, McLaren sabotages Piastri's
41:38
car. They get them close again so they can have
41:42
a battle to the end. Do you need the hat for
41:44
that? 100 % I needed it, but I already said it.
41:47
It's already over. That's kind of rough. We might
41:52
just be watching a Max Verstappen situation.
41:54
We had a good run. It's been great. If anything's
42:00
true, Norris is going to fight his ass off for
42:03
the rest of the season. We'll at least get to
42:05
see that. There's still a chance, too, that Oscar
42:07
might have problems at some point. Oscar might
42:10
not finish outside the points, and if Oscar finishes
42:12
outside the points and Lando wins... Or DNFs.
42:14
Bam. That's what I'm saying. That's outside the
42:16
points. Even less than that, if Oscar finishes
42:18
off the podium and Lando wins, that's a really
42:22
good chunk of points. This is true. So there's
42:24
a lot of things that are happening. There's still
42:26
a lot of season left. Anything could happen,
42:28
and it's been a crazy season. Man, you were more
42:30
bummed than I am. I am really bummed. Obviously,
42:33
I want to say... I would love to see Piastri
42:36
win. I'm more than happy to see Piastri win,
42:41
but I would have loved to see Lando push him.
42:44
Does he deserve it first before Oscar? I don't
42:47
want to think about that. I think I've already
42:52
said they both deserve it equally. Yes, Lando's
42:54
been in the car longer, but Piastri's turned
42:56
into an amazing driver. equally deserving 10
43:03
year aside I'm going to text him every day like
43:06
curious if his answers changed at all you should
43:08
who deserves it more Joe I probably will. All
43:11
right, do your comm call -outs. Yeah, I do have
43:13
some comm call -outs. Also, I totally forgot
43:15
to bring this up when we were talking about Sauber.
43:18
Gabby lost a bunch of positions right at the
43:19
start, and I did write down that happened because
43:22
he had an issue with his clutch, and so he did
43:24
not get off the line like he was supposed to,
43:26
and literally by the time he finally got his
43:28
car rolling, he had already been overtaken by
43:29
four cars. Yeah, he was straight stationary.
43:32
Yeah, it was bad. Straight stationary. For fun
43:36
quotes, for starters, Carlos, after his little
43:40
incident, echoed exactly what I was thinking.
43:43
He said, and I quote, this guy, it's always the
43:46
same guy. It's funny when you add context of
43:51
you thinking that all the time. He said it, and
43:55
I was like, yes, Carlos, we're all thinking it.
43:58
It's always the same guy. This was actually not
44:01
advertised on the actual show. You could only
44:04
hear this if you watched Nico's camera, but I
44:10
saw this on a radio call out on the F1 YouTube
44:12
channel that Nico said, and quote, I'm going
44:16
to be driving like a grandma with these ones,
44:18
talking about his tires. So, yeah, I guess he
44:23
was having tire problems, and he was commenting
44:25
that even he knew he was going to be driving
44:27
slow. And that made me laugh. Awesome. I have
44:31
none. Joe? I do have one. I had a few, but there's
44:34
only one that I really want to state. This was
44:37
from Kroon Chandak on Sky Sports, Lab 11. Norris
44:42
has just dropped Verstappen like a hot potato.
44:44
Yeah. Right when he overtook him and just bolted
44:48
away. That was so funny. Killer. Do we have any
44:51
quick thoughts before we head into the news?
44:54
And our news is very, very short. Honestly, my
44:56
quick thoughts was the Lando thing. Thoughts
44:58
and prayers to Lando. And that McLaren's going
45:02
to sabotage Lando's car. I mean, Oscar's car.
45:04
Oscar's car. There it is. There it is. First
45:06
from out of Joe's mouth. There it is. Kev, let's
45:08
head right into our news. welcome back we got
45:21
the news for you just a couple things uh we'll
45:24
start with the caddy driver deal uh we'll be
45:27
doing the tcp stands for testing of previous
45:29
cars uh program in the ferraris yep that's interesting
45:32
so they don't have they don't have a car right
45:34
so correct the ferraris are giving them their
45:39
SF23s. Good looks. Is that an SF? No, that's
45:43
an SF21. My bad. They're giving Caddy SF23s while
45:48
the Ferrari drivers will be using the SF24s.
45:51
Got it. Using older cars. Getting them back in
45:56
the cars, let's knock some rust off. I'm full
45:58
Cadillac next year. And probably a little Mercedes.
46:02
And of course, I will always be an Alpine fan,
46:04
so there's my three. What was the other thing?
46:09
Oh, yeah, Verstappen. He kind of comes out and
46:11
admits that, quote, maybe I will not win another
46:13
world championship. Just kind of accepting that
46:16
as of late, accepting something that we already
46:20
all know. Does that make him change his seat?
46:24
After 26, who knows? We'll see. He's under contract
46:27
through 28, I believe. That's a future me problem.
46:30
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand
46:31
times. If he's changing seats, he's retiring.
46:34
And that might be it. Because he also said with
46:37
that, he also said he's accomplished more than
46:39
he ever could have dreamed of in his career.
46:42
Already. And dude's like what? Low 30s? Younger.
46:46
He's younger than me. Is he 28? Okay, he's not
46:49
even in his 30s yet. That's the second time today
46:51
I did it in our other show. nfl show that i call
46:55
the player like 30 he's like 29 like oh man that's
46:58
a sin dude like i'm 30 so it's fine for me now
47:00
but that's messed up like i can't call somebody
47:02
30 and they're not even are you 30 mike uh in
47:05
a week like oh my god damn all right the dirty
47:10
30 next what day next week tuesday oh monday
47:13
i do that text me on tuesday it's okay okay all
47:16
right well that was that's all the way i had
47:18
for news you guys got anything random to throw
47:20
in there no No, I got nothing. I got no news.
47:24
Okay. Okay. Well, Kev, let's head into our Italian
47:31
GP number two preview. Electric Boogaloo. And
47:46
I'm here to bring you up to speed for the Italian
47:49
Grand Prix. We're looking forward to the Formula
47:52
One Pirelli Grand Premio d 'Italia 2025. We're
47:56
looking at clear weather with an average of about
47:59
25 Celsius, 77 Fahrenheit. No rain looking for
48:04
this weekend. Looking at a dry race. Fun fact.
48:08
Fun fact. Monza has only missed one year on the
48:11
calendar since the start of F1, and that was
48:13
in 1960 when Imola played host and then right
48:18
after joined the calendar alongside Monza. Very
48:22
good. Now, getting into the race last year, starting
48:25
grid was Lando to Oscar to George. Lights out
48:29
and off the line. Lando leads Oscar up the straight
48:31
with Russell straight behind. A good start from
48:33
the McLaren pair as they approach the first turn,
48:36
where Russell attempts to make a move on the
48:38
outside, but hits dirt, has a moment, straightens
48:41
out, and takes the runoff area, coming back on
48:43
track behind both of the Ferraris and going side
48:46
-by -side his teammate Lewis, who gets the job
48:48
done on him shortly thereafter, Max overtaking
48:51
him next. Still lap one, and on the next chicane,
48:54
Oscar overtakes Lando, threw it on the outside.
48:58
catching him, lacking a little bit, who has to
49:00
slow down, give away to his teammate, putting
49:01
him under major pressure from Leclerc, who takes
49:04
another position away from Lando. Slightly down
49:06
the order, Danny and Hulk have a moment through
49:08
the upcoming turn, Danny ending up pushing Hulk
49:11
off track for a moment and making slight contact.
49:13
He picks up a five -second penalty. On lap five,
49:16
Hulk attempts to make a late send on Yuki and
49:18
instead locks up and slides into the side of
49:20
him, both of them scrambling to get back on pace
49:21
on track. Yuki does end up retiring after heading
49:24
back to the pits. Lap 11, Russell's... day gets
49:27
worse as the new caddy driver Perez makes the
49:29
move for seventh on through the starting straight
49:31
four laps later Lando is told to box to overtake
49:34
Charles he makes a late move into the pit lane
49:36
hitting the pit limiter box and almost speeding
49:38
through it Charles pits on the next lap to try
49:41
and stop the undercut but Lando makes it work
49:42
and gets out just ahead of the monogast driver
49:44
lap 18 and K -Mac forgets this isn't bumper cars
49:47
he picks up a 10 second penalty for locking up
49:49
and running into the side of Gasly Lap 31, Russell
49:53
and Perez face off once more in the starting
49:55
straight. Perez defending well as Russell tries
49:57
to go on the inside, but soon runs out of room,
49:59
retreating into the runoff and coming back on
50:00
track ahead of Perez. He quickly gives the position
50:03
back and tries to capitalize on being so close,
50:05
but ultimately stays behind. Two laps later,
50:08
Lando committed to the two -step, letting Charles
50:10
through on ahead as he picks up some fresh slicks.
50:14
Lap 38, and Russell is finally able to make the
50:16
move, stick at T1 on Perez, nearly colliding
50:20
into the back of the Red Bull on a very late
50:22
move by Perez. Piastri pits for new tires on
50:25
lap 39, letting the two Ferraris lead. A lap
50:27
later, we hear that the new tires are not getting
50:29
up as up to speed as they need to, matching times
50:33
for the Ferraris who are going long on their
50:35
one -stop parts. I wrote that, completely forgetting
50:38
that this is the segment. On lap 45, Oscar is
50:41
able to get the overtake done on Sainz for second.
50:43
However, he is still almost 12 seconds from Leclerc
50:45
with eight laps remaining. Three laps later,
50:48
and Lando is able to crawl back into the podium
50:50
places, taking the third spot. Meanwhile, Charles
50:52
can... continues to fly in first, keeping it
50:54
only five tenths slower than Piastri at lap.
50:56
He makes his way across the checkered flag 2
50:59
.3 seconds ahead of Piastri for an Italian victory.
51:02
Our final is Leclerc to Piastri to Norris, Sainz,
51:05
Hamilton, Verstappen, Russell, Perez, Albon,
51:08
and Magnussen. Oh, there it is. Oh my goodness.
51:15
That was a good one. That was a long one. Do
51:19
you guys like Monza? I do like Bonzo. That's
51:21
a fun one on the game. It is infuriating online
51:26
for turn one. It's like one of the few tracks
51:31
where I play online where I hope I start at the
51:34
back of the pack because it's just every time
51:37
you get to that corner and everyone just piles
51:39
into each other every time. Before we close out
51:43
the show, remind me, I had a video game question
51:45
for you on F125. But, yeah, this is a fun one
51:49
to race as well. Yeah, last year, you know, obviously
51:53
we were just kind of looking up the highlights
51:56
from last year as you were going along, trying
51:57
to follow along a little bit. I forgot how aggressive
52:00
the drivers were early on in this race. They
52:03
just felt very aggressive. Everybody from all
52:06
the way down. That's monster. So, yeah, I think
52:08
it's going to be fun. I can't wait. Especially
52:12
with how close these cars' performance are right
52:15
now, all the entire grid. Like, there's going
52:17
to be some crazy fighting going on this race.
52:20
Hopefully some carnage. Carnage. Yeah, nice,
52:23
nice. Predictions. Mike had a great week compared
52:30
to Joe and I. Made a lot of ground. If it weren't
52:32
for Lando, it would have been a flawless week.
52:34
I spent the entire race looking at those three.
52:38
I'm about to get six points. Oh, I got six points
52:41
in the back. You would have had to lead. Yeah.
52:43
Would that have been the first lead change of
52:46
the season? It would have been my first sixer.
52:48
Or at least for a long time. No offense, but
52:51
man. Yeah, I think we've only had one, right?
52:55
Two of my top three. dnf'd i'm in complete shambles
52:59
that is that is tough so yeah that was rough
53:04
i believe yeah i picked george to win that yeah
53:07
you did that was so fun yeah so i am currently
53:11
four points away from Smeltzy. She still leads
53:13
with 40. Mike's one point behind with 39, and
53:16
I am three points behind Mike with 36. Like Lando,
53:21
my championship run is dwindling. I don't think
53:24
so, though. We're so close. We're each getting
53:29
at least a point every single week. It's hard
53:32
to catch up. That's a good point. We're still
53:36
starting with you, Smeltzy. I think that's BS.
53:39
I think we need to start with Joe. You need the
53:44
most help possible. That's why you should go
53:48
first. Just trust me. Trust me. I'm good at math.
53:54
You said you're bad at math, which means you
53:57
shouldn't be good at this. Look, I'll help you
53:59
right now. Just put George on your podium. Put
54:01
George, Charles, and Hamilton. Nope, here it
54:06
is. Here it is. One to three. Locking it in.
54:10
Lando, Oscar, Charles. Okay. That's fine. Laugh
54:16
at me. That's fine. Hey, man. Cool. Whatever.
54:20
I think you were doing something special there.
54:21
Can we make sure there's no sharp objects over
54:24
next to Joe? Why? Starting in third, I'm putting
54:27
Lando Norris. That's fine. Interesting. In second,
54:31
I am putting Maxwell Verstappen. Okay. And Oscar's
54:34
winning again. What you going to do, Joe? Got
54:39
to take a risk. Might as well put George Russell
54:41
at the worst. Yes! Oscar Landon Max. What the
54:45
F? Charles is a crazy pull. I agree. I honestly
54:51
think, man, going into this, I did want to put
54:59
Charles, but since you're putting him, I'm just
55:02
going to go Max. That does not track at all.
55:04
I'll keep fighting Mike. You should have went
55:06
Charles. Uh... I mean, come on. Oscar and Lando
55:10
are still the fastest on the grid. Agree. That's
55:13
why all three of us still have Oscar and Lando
55:15
on our podium. Yeah. I don't think I'm ever not
55:17
going to have them on the podium unless for some
55:18
reason they just start dipping. For the rest
55:19
of the season right now, I don't know. It would
55:21
take something crazy to predict a DNF for one
55:24
of the McLarens right now for the rest of the
55:26
season, I think. That'd be crazy. I think I asked
55:28
this when we were talking about Ferrari. Just
55:32
a really quick thought. This is their home track.
55:38
Do they show any ground here? Who? Ferrari. Well,
55:41
yes. That's a good question. Are you locked in?
55:44
I am locked in. I am locked in. What did you
55:46
say? Does Ferrari show any ground here? Oh, I
55:48
meant like your podium. You said Lando Oscar
55:50
Charles? I said Oscar Lando Max. I said Lando
55:52
Oscar Charles. Okay. Oscar Lando Max. No, I do
55:55
not think. The McLaren or the Ferrari locks in.
55:58
I don't know why I said McLaren. That's crazy.
56:00
Yeah. Holy cow. I'm so tired. Um, I do not think
56:06
the Ferrari is locked in. I brought up why earlier
56:08
the car is just not suited to Monza right now.
56:10
It's not suited to these low downforce tracks.
56:13
Um, I've, I've been seeing that from other people
56:16
who are more technically minded than I am. Uh,
56:19
meanwhile, you look at, uh, The Red Bull is notoriously
56:25
super fast in the straight and has been super
56:27
fast in the straight. And McLaren's a rocket
56:30
ship. I stand by the fact that Lando's mental
56:34
is going to be hurt going into this race. Or
56:38
is he going to be hungry? And I think that's
56:41
going to affect him moving forward. And Oscar...
56:46
Like, especially after seeing the way he was
56:48
talking about the next race being Monza, I was
56:51
like, oh, this guy is hungry for Monza. He likes
56:54
Monza. Like, the moment I saw him this last weekend
56:58
talk about it, I was like, oh, he's my number
57:00
one for this weekend. That's an extremely boring
57:02
take, but probably 100 % correct. You know what?
57:04
You're a boring take. But probably 100 % correct.
57:06
You know, that's just where we're at in the season
57:08
right now. Yeah, it will be 100 % when I get
57:10
six points. Hey, Kev, what's your podium? Six
57:12
points. Kevin, what's your podium? Oscar Max
57:13
Lando. Okay. and we're gonna wrap up i think
57:19
kev do you like hold on he's cooking yeah wait
57:25
yeah he's cooking he's cooking uh you said you
57:28
had a video game question oh i did what was it
57:31
oh yes okay so you always talk about how What
57:34
would happen if Max Verstappen went into a racing
57:37
bowl? Can you just set that up before you start
57:39
a season? No. Really? That's dumb. If you could
57:42
just move drivers around and start a season that
57:45
way. You can probably mod it, but it's going
57:48
to be completely unrealistic to real life because
57:50
Sonota drives perfectly in the Red Bull on the
57:53
game. Of course, but it won't. Damn, it doesn't
57:56
allow you to move drivers around. No, like I
57:58
said, you could probably mod the game to do it
58:00
for you. I was just curious. I haven't looked
58:01
into it. He could naturally move to V -Carb just
58:05
through the AI movement and stuff, but it's pretty
58:07
unlikely. It happens, yeah. In career simulations
58:11
and whatnot, the drivers will change teams and
58:15
stuff like that, and so it could happen that
58:17
Max could just... somehow end up there i think
58:19
even on the game he's more likely to retire the
58:21
movie yeah yeah yeah no i was just curious if
58:24
you could like set it up like a real deep custom
58:27
season or career dynasty whatever the f game's
58:30
not as good but yeah okay i was just curious
58:33
i was just curious because i was like dude if
58:35
you could do that might as well give it a test
58:36
run sure just see what happens hey you know i
58:39
want to put that on your plate joe but oh you
58:42
know what You can actually drive as icons. You
58:45
can drive as a driver. Like, you can be a driver
58:47
in your career. So technically, you could. You'd
58:49
have to drive through a whole season. Oh, you
58:51
could be Max and leave. You'd have to drive through
58:52
a whole season, but then you could leave and
58:54
go to VCarb. So yes, you can do that. It'll just
58:56
take a good amount of time. You have to do, like,
58:59
a five -race season. And then by the time you
59:01
get to season two, it sucks, right? You could
59:03
just simulate every race. oh you'd also you'd
59:08
also need to get approached by vcarb so it's
59:10
a lot harder oh yeah that's tough they changed
59:12
the contract system uh last year so it's a little
59:15
harder to know what team you're going to Ask
59:19
Joe about Ferrari. I don't want to talk about
59:21
Ferrari. Anyway, Joe's mom's here to pick him
59:25
up. We've got to wrap this thing up. Mike, thanks
59:28
for being here. I'm so glad to be here. This
59:30
was a super fun race and I was really looking
59:32
forward to talking about this. While you were
59:34
looking forward to talking about your six points
59:36
that you didn't get. Almost. Sandvort. Until
59:40
Isak messed that up. Joe? Smelty. Kev, thanks
59:49
for being here, dog, behind the cameras, getting
59:51
everything done. That's it, huh? Oh, yeah. Don't
59:57
forget to like, comment, subscribe. Yeah. No.
59:59
Yes. No. What? Yes. Are we here next week? I
1:00:02
can't remember. Nope. I don't think so. We're
1:00:05
not. We're not recapping stuff. I mean, so the
1:00:08
next race is on the 20th. We'll talk about it.
1:00:11
Fast Laps might be here. Otherwise, we'll just
1:00:13
combine the episodes. More than likely, we'll
1:00:15
be back on the 16th. We will 100 % be here on
1:00:18
the 16th, no matter what. But next week, we might.
1:00:21
Don't plan on it. No, anyway. If it's a crazy
1:00:30
race at Monza, maybe we should do it next week.
1:00:32
But we'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll figure it
1:00:34
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1:00:49
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