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- 0:07Nate: Welcome to Equipped for Impact, the podcast designed to assist Christian parents, leaders and educators raise up the next generation to stand firm in their faith and influence their world for Christ.
- 0:20Nate: We're your hosts I'm Nate and I'm Lewis, so let's get started.
- 0:24Nate: Here we are in episode three.
- 0:26Nate: If you've been following along with this beginning of our journey here, you've caught the first couple of episodes.
- 0:34Nate: We've been talking about really that triad that's helping parents disciple their children.
- 0:39Nate: So we started off first talking about you know it is the parents, deuteronomy 6, it's your job as parents to disciple your children.
- 0:46Nate: God gave you that primary responsibility.
- 0:49Nate: But we're not alone, right?
- 0:50Nate: We said it takes a village.
- 0:52Nate: And so God gave us the church.
- 0:53Nate: He instituted the body of Christ, the church to help us be that community, to equip parents and disciple kids and be those extra adults to really just pour into the kids' lives and disciple the parents disciple the kids just as a secondary help have other adults.
- 1:13Nate: That intergenerational discipleship is what we talked about last episode.
- 1:17Nate: And so now we're talking about the third the role of the school in strengthening families.
- 1:23Nate: It's a Christian school can be a good help in raising children to really impact and influence their world for Christ.
- 1:33Nate: So that's where we are today.
- 1:36Nate: So, lewis, what have we seen as it comes to the role of the school in strengthening families?
- 1:41Luis: Today.
- 1:42Luis: Nate, you know I'm a big reader, and anybody that knows me loves that.
- 1:46Luis: I love quotes, and so today we're going to lean in heavily into a book called Kingdom Education by Glenn Schultz, and so some of our listeners may be familiar with Glenn Schultz, but he is one of the leading advocates of Christian education.
- 2:02Luis: He's worked with Lifeway, he's worked with ACSI, and then now he leads a ministry called Kingdom Education Ministries whose mission is to spread advocacy for Christian education.
- 2:14Luis: And so what we're going to focus on today really is just that role of the Christian school.
- 2:20Luis: And you might be wondering, well, why?
- 2:23Luis: What's the reason?
- 2:23Luis: Why is Christian school essential?
- 2:24Luis: Why might be wondering, well, why?
- 2:25Luis: What's the reason why is Christian school essential?
- 2:26Luis: Why is a Christian education important?
- 2:28Luis: Well, according to the Cardus Education Survey and other studies, students who graduate from Christian schools are significantly more likely to remain committed to their faith and participate in religious activities throughout their adult lives, compared to their peers who may not attend a Christian school.
- 2:47Luis: So what the survey revealed and this was really interesting is that Christian school graduates, so if your child graduates from a Christian school, they are twice as likely to be involved in their local church and to serve in leadership roles, and if you listen to our last podcast, you'll remember how important that is right.
- 3:06Luis: And not only that, but if you graduate from a Christian school, you are more likely to prioritize family, marriage and also raising your children from a biblical worldview, with biblical values and just.
- 3:20Luis: I guess maybe the cherry on top is that you become more generous and charitable in your giving and serving others in your community.
- 3:28Luis: And so Christian schools aren't perfect.
- 3:31Luis: There's a lot that can be improved with Christian schools, but I think that the statistics show, and the data reinforces that if you want to raise godly children, being in a Christian school helps in that regard.
- 3:44Nate: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I guess up front, we should admit our bias.
- 3:48Nate: Right, we both work at a Christian school, it's true, but we've both been pastors and we're both dads, and so my kids were going to school here at our school, before I was on staff, and we had made that choice as a family to put our kids there.
- 4:03Nate: For these reasons and I think you guys have heard us say over and over again right, you can't outsource discipleship of your children to somebody else, whether it's the church or the school.
- 4:14Nate: So I guess, when it comes down to it, our first big question, lewis, is what is it that makes a strong parent-school relationship?
- 4:22Nate: Parent-school relationship?
- 4:23Luis: So Glenn Schultz in his book says parents, the responsibility for educating your children has been given to you by God.
- 4:30Luis: You may delegate authority, but you can never delegate responsibility.
- 4:39Luis: And when I read that for the first time I was like wow.
- 4:40Luis: I mean, christian schools are there to assist parents.
- 4:44Luis: Christian schools are there to assist parents, not replace them.
- 4:48Luis: And that's important, because we live in a world today where the Department of Education, public school systems, have been on record for saying that it's their role to educate children and the parents' role to parent children.
- 5:06Luis: Well, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
- 5:09Luis: I would argue that education is a 24-7, 365-day process and it doesn't stop at the school, it doesn't stop at the church and it doesn't stop at the home.
- 5:22Luis: All three work together, stop at the church and it doesn't stop at the home.
- 5:28Luis: All three work together, and so it's important to understand that public education is not neutral.
- 5:32Luis: They are shaping children with a worldview.
- 5:36Luis: The difference is that Christian education is upfront about it.
- 5:40Luis: We're going to tell you yes, we are shaping your child's worldview and we're shaping it from a biblical worldview.
- 5:47Nate: Right, man.
- 5:47Nate: So hopefully that's what you want, right, you want somebody who is going to echo what you're saying.
- 5:52Nate: We talked about that with our church, right, last episode.
- 5:56Nate: And last episode we talked about the church being almost like a lighthouse.
- 6:00Nate: You know, as the waves are coming, it's standing firm in truth.
- 6:03Nate: And it made me think about another illustration, or a similar illustration, john Stone Street in his book A Practical Guide to Culture.
- 6:11Nate: The subtitle is Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today's World and it's written.
- 6:17Nate: John Stone Street is president of the Colson Center for a Christian Worldview and he wrote this book and they go through a bunch of different ideas and topics and it's a great.
- 6:27Nate: I'd recommend that resource to you guys as parents.
- 6:30Nate: But he uses the illustration of the difference between the waves and the current right.
- 6:36Nate: You think about being at the ocean and the first thing you see as you go out in the water you know, taking your little kid into the ocean is the waves.
- 6:42Nate: They're just coming at you, they're hammering you, they're big, especially if you're a little kid staring at the waves for the first time, and they can be dangerous.
- 6:50Nate: I remember as a kid getting knocked down and drug underneath as the waves keep piling over me.
- 6:55Nate: But those waves, those would be like the issues in the culture, whether it's the gender issues or pro-life you know, pro-life or issues, whatever it happens to be, those are the big things that we focus on a lot.
- 7:08Nate: Those are like the waves and they're dangerous.
- 7:10Nate: They can knock you down, they can drag you under Um, but as dangerous, if not even more dangerous, is that underlying current, um, and and that would be more the worldview issues, like you think of, where are all of these waves coming from in our culture, all of the big waves, the pro-life or pro-choice issues, you know, the underlying current of all of that is the self-focused, you know self-fulfillment that all of culture wants to shove down our throats, and so that's the underlying current.
- 7:42Nate: And you see that if you're in education, your kids are getting a public education.
- 7:46Nate: It's that underlying current that is most dangerous in what they're getting, because you're not even recognizing.
- 7:52Nate: It's like the rip current pulling you out to sea and you don't realize it until it's too late.
- 7:57Luis: And I think it's important to say that we're not here to bash public education Absolutely not.
- 8:01Luis: I think there are some great people that work in public.
- 8:04Luis: In fact, there are great Christian people that I know personally that work in public education, but I think that, as an institution, public education as a whole is not neutral.
- 8:16Luis: It is steering in a particular direction.
- 8:20Luis: And maybe locally where you live I mean here where we live we may have some great people that are on our school boards, that are serving as administrators in our public schools.
- 8:31Luis: But as a whole, as a whole, public education is not neutral and everything that Nate just described I mean those waves are coming in.
- 8:41Luis: I heard a story of a school where a teacher introduced a club.
- 8:47Luis: That was a club that was being used to identify students who struggled with their identity and sexuality, and the club was formed without parents knowing about it knowing about it, and it wasn't until parents got wind of it that there was a conversation of like whoa, wait a minute, I don't want my kid to be in that club.
- 9:14Luis: I was just reading a story on the Lion about a parent in Texas.
- 9:16Luis: She's a Texas mother who is looking to pass several bills through the legislator in Texas because there are certain books that are banned from prisons in Texas that are allowed in public schools in Texas, and so she was telling the story of how someone showed her a picture from a book, and the title of the book is called Gender Queer, and it was in her daughter's school library.
- 9:41Luis: And so, parents, you may not know that those things are there.
- 9:45Luis: Some of our teachers and administrators in public schools may not know that it's there, but it's there, and those are those currents that are just slowly pulling your family away.
- 9:56Luis: And so what Schultz talks about in his book is that parents and schools must be united in their purpose of raising children to know love and serve Christ, and ultimately, the goal of all education is not just academic excellence but it's spiritual formation.
- 10:19Nate: Right, yeah, and so you need to make sure, like is your family's you know mission and vision, like does that?
- 10:26Nate: You may not have that formally written out, right, but you've got an idea of what do you want, what is most important to you, and hopefully that's informed by the Bible.
- 10:34Nate: And so does that align with your school's mission and vision?
- 10:40Nate: Because I mean, just because a school slaps Christian in the middle of their school name doesn't necessarily mean that they are promoting a true biblical vision for what a mature, educated individual should be.
- 10:58Nate: And so you need to double check is what they're producing really lining up with what I want for my child?
- 11:05Nate: And so, on the front end, checking those things is really important.
- 11:11Luis: Check out this wild statistic.
- 11:13Luis: Nate and Glenn writes about this in his book.
- 11:16Luis: He says that between kindergarten and 12th grade, your child will spend approximately 16,000 hours in school.
- 11:26Luis: This is more time than they will spend in any church service.
- 11:31Luis: It's more time than they'll spend in any type of structured family devotion time.
- 11:36Luis: So if you're doing daily devotions, if you're attending church on Sundays and Wednesdays or small groups or whatever your church does, they're going to spend more time at school than they will in those services and in those devotions with your families.
- 11:52Nate: Wow, wow, that's amazing.
- 11:53Nate: Just to think about the amount of time.
- 11:55Nate: Right, where that what Schultz say you can.
- 11:59Nate: You can delegate authority, or you can delegate response authority but not responsibility.
- 12:04Nate: Look, I'm messing up the phrase.
- 12:05Nate: Yeah Right, and so we're delegating that authority for 16,000 hours.
- 12:10Nate: Um, and so we better make sure that the people that are speaking into our children's lives, uh, really line up with the same things that that we're doing, um, as a family.
- 12:20Luis: And I don't know how true this is.
- 12:21Luis: I read it on the internet and you know what the.
- 12:23Luis: You know what Abraham Lincoln said about the internet.
- 12:25Nate: Right, you can believe everything you read on the internet.
- 12:33Luis: And so and I may have even shared this before, but I heard that by the time your children graduate high school, by the time they're 18, you've spent 90% of the time you will ever spend with them in their life.
- 12:40Luis: And it's like it blows you away that if you're outsourcing that to a school that's not reinforcing your values at home, like you're fighting against a losing cause because they're spending more time at school than they are at church and at home.
- 12:57Nate: And so parents.
- 12:59Nate: It's almost like you've got to undo the work that's being done in the schools, man.
- 13:04Nate: So okay, so let's say that we've convinced a parent that they want to be involved, or maybe they're already in a Christian school, or even I mean homeschool could play into this as well, right, because there's homeschool co-ops, that can they come together and you still have that concept of the intergenerational discipleship happening, what you know practically.
- 13:26Nate: What can a parent do to really strengthen these relationships?
- 13:29Luis: So here's number one and we've said it before, but parents, I mean I want to drive this point home is you have to avoid the outsourcing mentality.
- 13:38Luis: So what Glenn says is that many parents assume that because they send their child to a Christian school, their job is done.
- 13:46Luis: But that is a dangerous assumption.
- 13:49Luis: See, you have to reinforce biblical teaching at home, and if you've listened to all of the podcasts, listened to this, you know that we've talked about the role of the home, the role of the church and then now the role of the school.
- 14:04Luis: And so, parents, if your child is attending a Christian school, you need to actively work with that Christian school rather than take a passive role.
- 14:14Luis: You don't drop your child off and say, hey, my job is done here, but no, find ways to support the school's mission, find ways to reinforce the biblical teaching that is happening in the school with what's happening at home, and stay engaged in your child's education.
- 14:31Luis: Because here's what we know about education Children are going to succeed in any environment, regardless of whether it's Christian, public, private, homeschool, when parents are involved in their child's education.
- 14:45Luis: And so, parents, make sure you're regularly communicating with teachers, make sure that you're attending school events, make sure that you're staying involved.
- 14:54Luis: And maybe you're listening to this and you're like, hey, my child doesn't go to a Christian school.
- 14:59Luis: Well, this is still applicable to you.
- 15:01Luis: Everything I just said is probably doubly important if your child isn't attending a Christian school, because you need to know what they're learning, and so stay engaged.
- 15:12Luis: Don't outsource their education.
- 15:14Nate: Yeah, I mean you can't reinforce what's being taught Assuming it's your child is at a Christian school you can't reinforce it if you don't know what's being taught right.
- 15:22Nate: So that communication with the teachers, with the principals, you know, and at the school, just, I mean, even just crack open their textbook, you know.
- 15:29Nate: Hopefully they're bringing their books home and doing homework Um, maybe not, but you know, just crack open the books and see what is it that they're learning, what is it that they're seeing?
- 15:36Nate: Ask questions.
- 15:38Nate: That's been the biggest thing, because just because something's in the textbook doesn't necessarily mean the teacher is teaching it or your child is picking it up, right.
- 15:46Nate: So just asking questions of well, what did the teacher say about this?
- 15:49Nate: Or, you know, what did you think about?
- 15:51Nate: You know, whatever you're learning in science, in history, you know those are the big ones where you see a lot of the worldview issues come up.
- 16:00Nate: Not saying it's not in other subjects, it is for sure.
- 16:03Nate: But you know, just asking a lot of questions I think will help, it'll go a long way, so you're informed and you're able to continue the conversation.
- 16:13Luis: And I think that's a great segue into number two, right, so avoid the outsourcing mentality.
- 16:16Luis: But number two is recognize the spiritual battle in education.
- 16:20Luis: We can't say it enough there is an enemy that wants the heart, mind and soul of your child, and the world that we live in is actively shaping children's minds through media, through entertainment and through all sorts of ideologies, good and bad.
- 16:38Luis: And so, as Christian parents, when we are working together with a Christian school, we have to be proactive and not reactive.
- 16:47Luis: And when it comes to discipleship, we need to be proactive in what we're teaching.
- 16:52Luis: And so, as we move to this podcast, what you'll find is that we're going to tackle some of these questions, I think in a couple of podcasts.
- 16:58Luis: We're going to talk about the digital age.
- 17:01Nate: Yeah, phones, that's a huge thing.
- 17:03Luis: Yeah, like how do you navigate that?
- 17:04Luis: But also covering your child and their school in prayer, because prayer is a weapon that we have.
- 17:11Luis: John Piper describes prayer as like that walkie talkie at the front of the battle lines that is back home.
- 17:19Luis: I mean, that's the front line that's reaching back home to headquarters so that we can communicate, and so cover your children, your teachers, the leadership of the school.
- 17:27Nate: Cover it in prayer, yeah, yeah yeah, as educational leaders like we would definitely say please pray for us, you know, pray for your child's teachers.
- 17:35Nate: All of that I love how that it's prayer is included there, like we miss that sometimes.
- 17:39Nate: But in, you know, the armor of God there, ephesians six.
- 17:43Nate: You know, you go through it, you, in the armor of God, ephesians 6.
- 17:45Nate: You go through it helmet of salvation, sword of the spirit, shield of faith.
- 17:47Nate: And then it says praying at all times.
- 17:49Nate: Right, if we're going to stand firm in this battle, prayer is going to be huge.
- 17:53Nate: So please, please, please, pray for your child's teachers.
- 18:00Luis: And I think that goes really well into the third point, right.
- 18:02Luis: So not only are we avoiding the outsourcing mentality, not only do we recognize the spiritual battle, but we need to guard against the split influence of education and parents.
- 18:12Luis: This goes to you if your children is not in a Christian school or a Christian homeschool.
- 18:16Luis: Right, one of the greatest dangers to your child's faith is going to be inconsistent messaging between the home, church and school.
- 18:24Luis: And actually, if your child is at a Christian school but they aren't being reinforced in the home like if what they're hearing and being taught at school was not being reinforced in the home or the church like that's going to affect them too.
- 18:39Luis: Like you're going to see like wait a minute, my parents sending me to a Christian school.
- 18:43Luis: They talk this big talk about being a Christian, but I'm not seeing it at home.
- 18:47Luis: And then, on the other side, if your child is learning biblical truth at home in the church but then is spending 16,000 hours immersed in a secular education five days a week for 13 years, they're going to internalize conflicting worldviews and often lead to a compromise or even spiritual drift.
- 19:11Luis: I remember talking to a dad one time and this was during COVID when our school saw this big growth.
- 19:17Luis: A dad was telling me that what really made it clear to him that his child needed to come to a Christian school is when they were doing the zoom or the Google meet and the teacher was talking and lecturing and they were reading something in a class.
- 19:32Luis: And then the dad walks by and like stands there and listens to what the teacher's saying and then, when the class is over, the dad's like you don't believe that, do you?
- 19:42Luis: Like that that goes against everything we teach at home and at church.
- 19:46Luis: And like that was the point for that dad when he was like okay, like we're doing it at home, yeah, we're doing it at church.
- 19:53Luis: Man, we got to do it at school, we got to do it because because we're fighting a losing battle if we're sending our kids 16 000 hours to a school that's not reinforced, and so the goal, ultimately, is alignment.
- 20:04Luis: Like we we've talked about, the home, the church and the school must all work together in harmony to reinforce God's truth.
- 20:11Nate: Yeah, and I think that's even like you talk about how it's opposing worldviews.
- 20:15Nate: But you can even have times where you unintentionally do this.
- 20:19Nate: Right, you, um, you know you've got your church, and then it's like, okay, church is done, we're going to go on and do something else, and you leave it there at church.
- 20:27Nate: The same thing can happen when you're in a Christian school right, it's at church, it's at school, it's in Bible class.
- 20:32Nate: We tell our teachers this is a little behind the scenes, right, but we tell our teachers, just because you have a devotion to start class or you pray to start class, that doesn't make it a Christian classroom.
- 20:42Nate: Right, it's got to be fully infused in everything you do.
- 20:46Nate: And so that's where that inconsistent messaging comes in.
- 20:48Nate: The kids think, oh well, we did our devotions, we do our church thing, I've done my Christian school thing, now let me go do everything else, and they end up with this dualistic kind of split lifestyle going on in the world.
- 21:03Nate: So let's get practical.
- 21:05Nate: You know, how can parents actually do this today, lewis?
- 21:09Nate: What would you say to them?
- 21:10Nate: So?
- 21:10Luis: let me give you a word picture, so I guess maybe an illustration is probably think of your child's faith as a garden.
- 21:17Luis: So when you send them to a Christian school, it's like planting the garden in soil.
- 21:24Luis: Now let me be clear.
- 21:25Luis: I'm not a gardener, right Like?
- 21:26Luis: I've tried to grow tomatoes and zucchini and I don't do a great job, but just walk through this one with me.
- 21:32Luis: So imagine it's like a garden.
- 21:34Luis: You're planting them in the garden.
- 21:36Luis: It's fertile soil with plenty of sunlight.
- 21:39Luis: However, in order for a garden to be successful, it needs more than just good soil, right Like?
- 21:45Luis: You have to give it constant care.
- 21:47Luis: And so, parents, the way that you give your child constant care in your garden is by watering it regularly.
- 21:55Luis: You do that through intentional conversations, through the discipleship that we've talked about at home.
- 22:00Luis: You have to remove the weeds out of the garden and you do that in your children's life by addressing the worldly influences that are around them.
- 22:09Luis: And then you have to nourish that garden, and the way you do that in your children's life is through family devotions and through the biblical reinforcement in their church.
- 22:19Luis: And so all of this is working together, because if you neglect the garden, weeds are going to grow, the plants are going to wither.
- 22:27Nate: Yeah, you don't just weed a garden once and then it's done, right.
- 22:29Luis: They're constantly popping up.
- 22:31Luis: And parents, if you assume that your job is done by sending your child to a Christian school, then you risk your child's faith becoming weak and shallow.
- 22:39Luis: And so just as a healthy garden requires ongoing care, so does your child's spiritual growth, and so commit to an active engagement.
- 22:49Nate: Yeah, I think with that, and we've already said this, so we don't need to belabor the point, right, but recognize that the education is a spiritual battle, right, just like all of life.
- 22:59Nate: And so we've said it before, I'm going to say it again Please, please, please, pray for your kids, pray for your church, pray for your teachers, your principals, everybody Cover your child's school teachers, coach in prayer, because we really need it.
- 23:16Nate: And if we're working together, right, we want to be supporting each other in prayer and not just reactive to the dangers that are coming up.
- 23:26Nate: It's a spiritual battle.
- 23:27Nate: We need to be ready.
- 23:28Luis: Because we live in a world that's not just passively waiting right Like it's actively shaping our children.
- 23:34Luis: In fact, I think it was christianpostcom that I read this on.
- 23:38Luis: Children today are immersed in media, with studies indicating that they will spend approximately get this 32,000 hours consuming media content by the time they turn 18.
- 23:53Nate: Wow, and that's on top of the 16,000 hours that they're at school, right, yeah, when they're getting, hopefully, a Christian education, right, but if they're not, then that's another 16,000 hours that they're being bombarded with a conflicting worldview.
- 24:08Nate: So that's a huge responsibility to think about so that we can be praying for them.
- 24:14Luis: We can be aware of this battle for our kids that's going on Absolutely, and the final part I would say really is what we've been driving home over these last few podcasts is that there needs to be alignment between the home, the church and the school.
- 24:37Luis: If your child receives conflicting messages between any of these, it's going to cause confusion and compromise in their faith, and what happens is something that Brian Smith from BJU calls a two-story mindset.
- 24:47Luis: Right.
- 24:47Luis: So it's that dualistic mindset of I have my faith that I keep upstairs, and then I have the rest of my life that I keep downstairs, and so we start to compartmentalize.
- 24:57Luis: And so if there is not alignment between the home, the church and the school, then your child may inadvertently develop this idea that, okay, I act Christian when I'm at school, I act Christian when I'm at church, but everything else in between isn't really Christian.
- 25:15Nate: Yep, yeah, you end up.
- 25:16Nate: We use the illustration of a three-legged stool, right Of the home, the church and the school, and so if one of those is not aligned with the others, you end up with a wobbly stool and you might even fall over right, which is never, never good.
- 25:29Nate: So you know again, we've thrown a lot at you.
- 25:32Nate: So, lewis, any final words here as we wrap up this episode.
- 25:36Luis: You know, raising children in today's world it's no easy task.
- 25:41Luis: But, we've said it before, you're not alone.
- 25:51Luis: God has provided the home, the church and the Christian school to work together in this mission of raising the next generation, and so your engagement in school, your prayer, your intentional discipleship, all of that is going to shape your child far more than any external influences.
- 26:07Luis: Just to quote Dr Schultz one more time our children are not just being prepared for a career, they are being prepared for eternity.
- 26:17Luis: I heard him speak one time and he shared this story that really resonated with me and it's been a thought that has just stayed with me is, when it comes to Christian education, we're not just preparing our children for the next 10 years, we're preparing them for the next 10,000 years.
- 26:34Luis: And when I heard that the first time, I was like wow, I mean that's incredible.
- 26:41Nate: Yeah, it is.
- 26:41Nate: So next time we're going to continue this journey together with you guys, our listeners, and we're going to move on to tackle the critical question.
- 26:50Nate: We've used the term worldview biblical worldview a lot.
- 26:54Nate: So next episode we're really going to define that for you and explore why it's essential for children to develop one early on and talk about how it shapes faith right and all the different things that come with that and how you can intentionally shape your child's worldview.
- 27:10Nate: And from there you already teased right, we're going to start moving into some practical issues, such as phones and social media and different things like that.
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