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Paul Simpson’s Carlisle Reign, Sunderland Signed the Wrong Player & The Midfield GOAT · 3 In The Middle Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Straight from the off.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: What's the best rule in football?
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'll tell you what it is.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Best rule?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Kitman?
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, no kitman.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh too many words, isn't it?
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: They're funny, but they can get abused sometimes.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bussed once erected assistant, probably now.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Bussed, ex-kitman, Carl once er got abused as usual and he stole everyone's stuff.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it didn't go down well, so he locked himself in his office.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone was kicking the door down to get in, stay there for three hours.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just weird.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll tell you the best rule in English football.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth choice goalkeeper in the Premier League, and you're English.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Got a caught, didn't he?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Classic.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Steel.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Steele.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Carson, Tom Heaton, Steel had that career.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Steve Harper.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Steve Harper had that career.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then Mark Gillespie, I think at Castle.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Carson was the one in the city, wasn't it?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: From from round as well.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, out west, yeah.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: A couple of Prem Meadows.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Great for the dressing room, Champions League, fourth choice keeper.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just classic.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: When you hear them they say, ah, because they turn up every day and they're fun and they're always bubbly and they get around your life.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: No wonder.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm telling it.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: I can easily be a joker for 20 grand a week.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: I've come in my pom-poms a lot, do dances, whatever you want.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you're paying that sort of money, leave me house.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: No pressure, just like at a period where you're you're happy, happy, no one really play much, do you know?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Crumble gate.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: We spoke about Apple Crumble last week.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Bus said again, get some mentions.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Ex-Kitman got on to me.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Remember when the lads didn't like the apple, so away from home one day in a hotel, he just got a full tray of crumble.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: So you didn't have to run up and get there was crumble for everyone.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: But what happened?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: The lads, it's not moist enough.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: Morning.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: We've had a message in straight away.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go into it.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Ollie Short.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: So Ollie Short is a collar lad who lives in Dubai.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not getting politics, but when they were getting bombed the other week, he was still listening to three in the middle.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it took the screenshot I said.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Take his mind off things.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: So how are we doing, lads?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Loving the pod.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: I want to know what's the best and worst preseason trips your club's put on for you.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: My worst one was Austria with Gretna three sessions a day.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in Austria.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: Did you get the itinerary beforehand?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, because we got there on the night in the first morning.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was a wind up when the phone went off at five in the morning, and we had to be down in reception by half past.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a coach at the front on a bike.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: We ran and a coach at the back.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, I was I was in shock.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: Who was the manager?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: Rowan Alexander.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Rowan Alexander was it triple session?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Triple sessions, yeah.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: So we've done that.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: Then we'd done like the plunge pills and stuff, breakfast, bit of rest, running, bit of rest, football, repeat for five days in the heat, and it was a lot of pre-season.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's no sports science in that, and I know it's just mental.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: We went to Belgium, Holland, and France for ten days, and we got an itinerary, so it was three times a day, and we just crossed me and Thurwell, uh we just crossed them off.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the kit man, John Cook used to come in and go, How are we looking, lads?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: We're nearly there.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: But the gaff uh Peter Reed used to let you have a night out, he was off the drink.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: He used to go through these stages, Peter Reed, of being on the drink or off it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get on to another time, but international weeks were the best ever.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: You had people pulling out of international because he always took us away.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but this pre-season he was he was off the drink, and it was torture.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, three sessions a day, bike, then training, then a run, something like that, and the food, and oh, it was poor.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: The best thing about the preseason is the night out of the end, don't it?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you could always go.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: Did you not get it?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't even that carrot.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: So we always got that carrot at the start of the week.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, lads, listen, walk hard during the week, do every session, do it with us, yeah.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: And like say Friday night, you'll have a game during the day against a local team Friday night, you'll go out and enjoy yourselves.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: We got to that Belgium one, um so we got there, and the kid hadn't arrived, the kit was coming over.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: You were going your tracks, don't you?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: And he went, go in and look in your legs.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we went down to this little track, it was on premises of the hotel.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So all in these like stuff, so we just took my phones out, put my wallets down, and we went for a little 12-minute jog.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: And all you see, after a couple of minutes of wind, there's this wallet that's open, and there's hundreds and hundreds of pounds.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Stefan Schwartz's wallet, but you know, like they're mesh fences, it's stuck, stuck against them.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, like you know, the crippling factor when you're like, but then like and I'm I'm only 19, and a couple of lads are only 19, and we're like, Sorry! We just got we just got as much as we could.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Stefan Schwartz wasn't bothered because like I give him a little bit of a note back, and he wiped his sweat with it, and I was like, he's not awesome, so we just stashed it and kept it.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: But uh a long that's 10 long days.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: It ends up long.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, five days was long, but three sessions, it was just brutal.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: You just sat in silence in your room.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just you end up just sucking shell on that job, don't you end up backing it?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Don Hutchison and Johnny Oster went into the the town and got a roulette wheel, and they were the backers to quit after an hour.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone was just locked in on.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Any won your bar bar a west?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I can't really remember any really bad ones.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like obviously some tough ones, I mean, like Austria and that and Europe LA and doing this triple sessions.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: But we had um up in Scotland when I sing with Aberdeen, they'd done this.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Was a good one.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: We I signed in January and they had a winter break.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: So as soon as I signed, the next day I flew over to Dubai.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Met them for a week in Dubai.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Class brilliant.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, Dell loves it over there to be fair.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think he was trying to take hearts over before obviously I had to carry on, but it was brilliant.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: So my first day meeting all the lads.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Did you train?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, we trained, we trained the other day and we had like a little night out, like kind of evening off.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Did you train on Astro Turf?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Erm nah, nah, it was grass.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's a few places now.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've been over Dubai a few times.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like Jibel something, like outside Dubai, kinda like half an hour, maybe.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I bet it was Arabian Nights.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: I bet it was.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: Best one.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: Carl took us to the Abitha tournament, and we knew how good it was because Grimsby played so is it every through the six weeks pre-season there's an Abitha tournament every three days.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: So teams fly out for four days, play their back.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: So two English teams, two Spanish.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: So we were us and Scunthorpe, but Grimsby had been the week before, and they went, You love it! Like, it's too hot to train, and it's right in the centre, like San Antonio, bro.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it was to be fair.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: And Neil MacDonald had just got the job as well, and we had just been promoted.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: So Simwad went to Preston, so Neil didn't really have that pull on work.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we had a few nights out, but uh the supporters loved it.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: About 200 supporters came in.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know a few people who went to that John Coleman, the reporter, said it was the best week of his life.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's classic, wasn't it?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because like, obviously, not a lot of teams get the go play in Europe and play abroad a lot, don't I?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, like preseason fans can make a little trip of it.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was good a few days, and uh it was when Italy won the World Cup pen shootout against France when Zidane did the penalty, yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we were out for that, but uh it was it was it was decent crack.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: But all in all, preseason's tough, innit?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say I didn't like any pre-season ever.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: The night before.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: So you do a little bit on your own.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: As we said a couple of weeks ago about the first day, yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Pre-season pre-season was to go and get fit.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: But your pre-season is definitely so you could go in a little bit carrying, but you knew you knew you are you're getting your balls run off.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like the night before just thinking, have I done enough?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: I always went in full.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: I dream about full.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: Full of regret, mate.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: Full of regret walking in.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: And the first I'm not just saying it first thing was weird.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: The body fat is not.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: And the lads, lads are really sympathetic, aren't they?
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Take it.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: How have you been?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's worse now.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: They actually put like the schools and that up on the board.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like now you've got like message boards and the and the corridor, it's like top to bottom, like who's the best, who's the lowest and stuff at the running body fat, it's like the way it's shaping, and it's like proper body shaving.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's perfect.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Best enough it would be, I suppose I.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Episode eight, Dylan, do the bid.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Episode eight.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: So welcome everyone.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Myself, Chris Lumsden, former Sunderland, Barnsley, and Carlisle player, Mark Skip Boyd, former Newcastle, Portvale.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Which one would won this with Accrington?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do I.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Accrington, Carlisle, Barrow, and Dylan, ex Celtic, bad result yesterday.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um Aberdeen, Sunderland, Forrest Green.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone else you want to hear?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hibbs, Hebbs, the cup winner.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: So brilliant.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: And how was the weekend?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Quickly, your result.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Lost 1-0.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh for gods.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'd turned a couple.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Poor first half, manager's head fell off a bit, better second half, lot of chances, couldn't score, lost one nil.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: Their keeper four, five stone overweight was absolutely unreal.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: That was it.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: So Carlisle City skipped his assistant manager, but he's got through to the final of the Cumberland.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: We did, yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: On the Tuesday night, the lads were absolutely brilliant that night.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they went all the way to penalties.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, me personally, I thought we shaded it as the better team.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the lads were right at it.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, it's a rivalry.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: The beaters at home a few weeks before in the league, so we wanted that sort of revenge, but we wanted to get into a sec second consecutive Cabicup final, which we did, and everyone's buzzing for it, and it keeps our season going because we've got like four league games left.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: So something to build on lads want to get in in that team in the final, so they've got to keep performing and and playing well.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, yeah, good.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Class.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we um well we had a game Saturday night, eight o'clock kickoff.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Eight o'clock, yeah.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was supposed to be the Friday, and then something with the I think Northern Ireland were playing at the same time or whatever on a Friday, so flipped it the Saturday.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we drew to each two null down, poor first half to be fair, and then got back in it to each, so it's not a bad point.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um what we'll talk about before about early kickoffs, not an eight o'clock kickoff on a Saturday.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Long day.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Have an afternoon kit or not?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, nah, nah, I usually do, but I never I met one of the boys for a coffee and just the first time you've done that on a Saturday night that time.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I've never played that time on Saturday night.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's I think by time you have your prematch, like five, half five, it's you feel a bit tired, not it.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like you've just been kind of waiting about all day.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: So but um yeah, no bad point.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember when international week came and if you were lower in the leagues, you could play on the Friday or the Sunday, and you're like, I'd Friday, please, Friday night.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Always Sunday.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: The League of Iron's Friday night, so obviously I'm over there and I keep an eye on some of the scores.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Every Friday they play, it's probably interesting for me.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I go Friday nights.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Friday night game.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: So what would you do?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Go out there and come back Saturday morning or stray home?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean Oh, you lived there.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: I lived there, didn't I?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously it was Paul Cook, who's a manager, wasn't he?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: So field manager.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: He just used to say on uh on a Saturday morning, just line my pockets and I'll see you Monday.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um which we did because full of Irish lads who loved a loved a little uh trip to uh Paddy Power in the pub, so it was it was good.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's a good player, him play against him cookie.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very good.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh perfect for me because he didn't run.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: But he had a wand.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this week we are delighted to be sponsored by the Botanic Room.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Have you been, Dylan?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've not been no fantastic Carlell Bar, uh Cocktail Bar, sorry, in Carl, situated on Louder Street, opposite Nando's.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've been there a few times.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do a good selection of cocktails, beers, and ales, and the seating area outside is the best because it's on that corner, isn't it?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Suntry.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, Missy said that yesterday didn't she walk past?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: She wouldn't be nice there in the summer.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh decent.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh seating areas I say, perfect for the summer.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like a Heineken in there, and then a little Amaretto Sour.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Had an Amarosa Amaretto Sour for me.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Meat Liv you.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so thank you to Ben, Maca and Russell for the sponsorship.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we're going to film an episode there Monday as well.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: And hopefully we might be able to do it outside.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe get a few what what is it you said you had there?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Something sour?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Amaretto.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Can do it again, won't we?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh aye.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Get the racing.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: See what it takes, isn't it?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anyway, straight into call of the United.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Not going to go into the match that much.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: The gaffer was there.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: We were getting frustrated techs off him, weren't we?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then suddenly it went quiet, so we'd done well.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Turn around.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they've got that um got rid of that thing where they can't come back from behind, which is which is a good thing, I suppose.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, first time they've done it.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Ended up being six.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: I've watched the highlights, some good goals.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but at 2-1, they could have been 3-1 down, couldn't we?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: You can imagine the poison in that paddock at 2-1.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the paddock.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: When they've hit the bar at 2-1.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Don't listen to it, I do.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: But no, they've turned it round and they've got six in the end, so ended up being a good win.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Question from Lee Matthews.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, lads.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: I started following Collar United when I moved to the area in 2023.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: The passion and hype of potential promotion that year was infectious.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: It really brought my interest in football back.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Simmo was always being held as a legend to myself from fans I chatted to.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Then hearing Lummy backing him week in week out during the league one season inspired some of my own admiration of Simor.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: My question is Among the three of you, did you have any standout memories of playing for or with Simor?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: So Dylan Simmo signed you.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Simmo signed me, yeah.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Could you talk us through that recruitment process?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was um I had six months at Forest Green, so I went a few months at the start of that season with a club.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Did you just only have six months at Forest Green?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm playing the air, didn't you?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: I signed uh I signed um When did I sign?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: November, I think.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Aye.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think November.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um just before Christmas, and then yeah, had a good six months to be fair, like played well personally.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Eating vegan?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Aye, during during school hours.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, no, it was good.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: It got me back to playing.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's what it was for.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: It got me back to playing and proven that I was fit.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: So as soon as I kind of get a run of games in the summer, I was looking Did you live in the house?
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's a house for lads, isn't that?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: What, a collision?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, at Forest Green, is there?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: There was, I remember Johnny Parker.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Johnny paid the lad a hundred quid, didn't he?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: So anyone anytime he knocked, he had to give him a cup of tea.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: 100 quid a month.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: As many as he wanted, wasn't it?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, as many as he wanted.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's bad that many it's not a bad little thing, alright?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um they they never had it when I was there, but it was good, it was a good club, do you know what I mean?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, as I said, I got to play the year and stuff and done well personally.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then in the summer, had a bit of time off, kept myself fit, and then did you have another contract offer from Forest Green?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, so they were going through different managers and there was a few different people behind the scenes like moving on and stuff, so it was a bit kind of up in the air.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I think the fans were really keen on keeping me, and they'd just been relegated into League 2, so they were kind of like, don't think we're gonna be able to keep him.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: What a great left back, Caddock.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Caddock.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Cadden?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Cadden.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's at Hibs.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's great.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: He was class against us.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the one that's at Hibbs?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, he went to Barnes.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Barnsley.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: I know he went to Barnsley after Forest.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was good.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's good.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable Foot Some delivery.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, just Carleo obviously came up the way.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um so they got on the phone with my agent and stuff, and I spoke to uh JK Blaine, came up to Carleo to speak to Simmo, um, had a 10-15 minute conversation and then signed just after.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's perfect, isn't it?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think it ticked all the boxes for me.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was coming a bit closer to home.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I had well just one at a time, a little girl, and um a wee bit closer to home where we can see his family a bit more.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: They were just coming up, yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: The whole feel-good factor of the place, do you know what I mean?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it was buzzing.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I spoke to Simone, and he was he was great.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, I know he's a legend here, do you know what I mean?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: But he was he was that when I spoke to him, like good football person.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: He's a good bloke, and he could take away the m take away like management and all that.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's a take away the football results and what happened that year, but just all round kind of as a family man and his wife, uh how he embraced us and stuff.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Adam Murray had a few I'm not I'm not thinking he's trusty.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Adam Murray had a couple of problems, him Adam Murray against him, the derby player.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: He had a few problems, and he reached out to Simmo one Sunday night, and Simmo just dropped everything and and Adam moved in with him for a few weeks.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Growing, and uh and then Adam doing that was meant that Simmo said, Listen, we're gonna give him a break, he'd be out the team for a few weeks.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: He had a week, came back fresh, lived with Simmo for a bit.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Class.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Got his head right, yeah.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: So as I say, like I think what he's alluding to there was when we were doing poor in League One, and when I was on the company, I was backing him a bit, but I was backing him because I didn't think we had a right to be anywhere but down the bottom in League One because I thought League One that yeah, strong.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a massive League One's different, isn't it?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was a big goal that you're doing.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of players on ten grand a week.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think if we're gonna go into I think like you know, obviously the trust was there with the boys that came up, which was great, and they deserved that, but it was another step, and we probably never made enough steps to kind of help the squad.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: The professionalism and stuff like from some of the players was still kind of now not at the level of League One where you're gonna up again, you're going to your Boltons and all these top teams.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's some favourites in that team that went up to League Two, and I know through speaking not to you, but players in the professionalism wasn't the best, there no, it wasn't.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was it was a problem.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see now them players who were favourites haven't.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's the thing.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like obviously, we're all at different stages of career and stuff.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was kind of peaked quite early, and then I was on not coming down, but like dropping a level too every couple of years or whatever.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas some of the boys are like in their prime age and they're pissing it off, and they're professionals, and we talk about body fats and the the tests.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know we have a laugh about it, but it does tell you where it's if you if you're getting beat by the goalkeepers and stuff, who some of them can be quite fit, but over a seven minute run, if you're getting beat off a goalkeeper, then there's a problem, there's a it's like midfielders.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that was almost like and and similar like I I've I had a few follow-ups with him as well.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Did you worry about he won't mind you saying no, just like little things and when I look back, some of it was my fault as well.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was like in the team and not performing, and he's taken me out, and again you're emotional and you're you're trying to back yourself and whatever.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: So there was a few times where I was like getting left out of squads, not even travelling, so you could imagine I'm trapped the door.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: We we had conversations, do you know what I mean?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it was back and forth, and now I kind of see where he's coming from and I can see why why I trapped the door.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: But you've got to back yourself though, haven't you?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because for me it was like, well, I'm seeing boys what they're doing day in, day out, do you know what I mean?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like pissing it off basically.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like in the gym and and in the plane and they're on their feet at 70 minutes, and I'm trying to do everything properly and I'm still getting left in the house.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: You're almost rewarding mediocre.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So but I get that there's a bit of loyalty there and probably in hindsight, yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's similar to Sunderland and stuff, like they come up and it's like right now we we can't just play Dan Neels and all these boys every week.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: We need to we need to go compete at this level.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: So but again, by the end of that season, Simon had me in the office speaking to me about all sorts of things, like from a 10-15 minute meeting that you had with every player, I was in there for about an hour.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah like just through trust and experience and asking me not like each person, each player, but just ask me about little things over the season and what do you think?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: So although we we we buttied heads a few times, we still had that respect where even now if I see him in the street like with chat away and stuff to him and his wife and that are great.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: So my best my best thing was the first meeting.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: He just said to us, he went, Listen, if you're fit, you're playing centre mid.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: When don't worry about now, he says you're too you're too good for the league.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was just the perfect storm, man.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be home.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and had a couple of shitty years at Barnesy through administration, not playing, but no fault of my own, and that went off the route, not off the rails, but you just don't look after you, cell day, really, when you know you're not playing.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: A few moves I fancied, but then I just thought Carl, I'll I'll go and speak to him.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he just said, listen, from minute one, I was getting paid off Barnes anyway, so the contract didn't matter.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Just said, You will play.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I just went, you know what?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought Carl had like 2,000 fans, and then the first day we played Canva Island, it was 8,000 there, 6,000.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: 8,000 there.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're just like, this is a proper club, it's like and then we went to Forest Green, the old, old ground.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was like um Guilford Park, and we had 2,000 there, Forest Green away.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's like some distance as well, and then it's a long way.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: You yeah, I obviously I played with him, didn't I?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um obviously he was 37, 38.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Was he manager?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Player manager.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Did he sign you, Grace?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, but you what did he sign you?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: He signed me, yeah.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I come in and I played in a midfield three with me, him, and Chris Billy.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: A three, and he was the best player by a mile.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was a good player.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, but he was.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: A winger, I heard he was like a winger, obviously he was getting older, so he's tucked in, but his left foot was I've never seen anything like it.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, it was like played for some good teams, yeah.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um he lost the playoff final a few times at Wembley, didn't he?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: As a player for Derby and that, he said it was nightmare.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: But I was even in training, like he he obviously he didn't join in as much, but when he did, you could just tell the level he played at.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: But as a manager, he was I find him fine.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: I I enjoyed playing for him.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: As I say, I wasn't there that long, um, and we ended up going down.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I genuinely think we just ran out of games because we were getting there, and he got left in the shit when he left.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, Simon took over from Roddy Collins, you had six points at Christmas yeah, they were down, yeah, and they were it was called the Great Escape, and we went for it and then nearly, nearly done it.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was at Barnes League with Steve Hayward and Tony Cage, who played in the led like the 1995 team, Carl and Gallimore, and they were going, they'll do it, they'll do it.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And every week we used to get on the bus, and it was the first result we uh yeah, we did.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: We had a go, and then and uh but then we ran out the second, I think it was the second last game of the season.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we I said we ran out of games, and then I think we had to go to Dunkast the last game of the season, then won the league.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like don't you?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've got it, I must feel that.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I know as listen, he he come and done a lot with us in pre-season at Carlisle City, and the lads learnt a lot of him to be fair.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: They loved it, didn't he?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: Loved it, yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: Going in the dressing room at halftime.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pre-season was well, I was a bag of.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't it?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because Kirk he was on holder, so I was in charge.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, at half-time shielding at home.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: As you say, like the change room goes quiet, everyone's staring at you, and I just see him over my left shoulder.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: I thought, oh he's done that.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: How many games?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: How many games have you been a manager?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Or how many games you've been involved in this?
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: I can't stand it.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember what I said, but he was he sort of like backed as what I said, and then he said a bit.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then we went out and obviously shoulder probably gonna win our league, and we drew nil nil.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: The lads were really well well drilled and that, so yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um but the way I left was was a bit rubbish, but come on then.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I just got promised that I would stay whether we went up or down, and then obviously they signed this ginger kid, so I got pinned off.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: Standard the Gulfpost moved, didn't he?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: The Gulfpost move.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: He had you up in his ball, didn't he?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Just taking you off, they weren't even paying me apart from the the envelope.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, but what happened was that I got I was on decent money when I came from Portville and I got offered a lot less.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was alright for Carlisle.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't good.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because you were in the begoda and I was out a lot.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's my Irish kids, man.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I can't I couldn't get away from them.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: Richie and that I was I was out a lot yet.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: What are you doing this afternoon?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm not going out with you.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for that.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Lee Matthews, perfect.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I was it's interesting because I wanted to get into that recruitment with Dylan because it's Shaitons, isn't it?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I thought Greg Abbott might have had a little bit of a say.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Greg, yeah, yeah.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Greg actually I forgot to mention Greg.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Greg was involved.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I wanted to shop on the vote.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Greg was definitely involved.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think obviously they knew a bit of my kind of history and played the clubs I've been at and stuff and proved my I was fit, so yeah, they've definitely one they were looking at.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna touch on, I'm gonna include this.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: My little Sunderland career after my debut and stuff like that, the Chelsea.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, when I was at Sunderland, as I've said, it was different then.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was three subs, then it was five subs.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the nine subs now or seven or when you've got to have two locals on the bench.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I was classed as a first team player from the age of 18.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: So if there was 12 players training, I'd be me and thought Thurwell would be 12, 13, 14.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I was always with the first team, play reserves on a Monday, always travel on a Friday, always at away games, on the bonuses, on the nights out, on the holidays, like basically a first team player without getting the appearance, just getting your games, yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: So the reserves it was an amazing like experience, and then the trek the reserves so well, suddenly.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: We had this season where we wouldn't leave we won the championship, but the at the start of the season the youth team went unbeaten, the reserves went unbeaten, and the first team did.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is October, November, and it was like kind of a competition.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: But if we played on a Monday, the the first team were in on a Tuesday and we'd get the day off, or we'd get like proper days off away from like the reserves.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: They just trekked you so well, so the club was just flying.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: So four years I was there, we we got relegated from the Premier League when it was a YTS, but the next season we got the playoff final, got beyond pens off Charlton.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: The next season we won the league, so that's two seasons of winning nearly every week, and then the two Premier League seasons we finished seventh, and we're not meant to finish seventh, so it was just on the crest of a wave, it was quality, but class.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh as I said earlier, the um the international weeks were the best.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: You had Niall Quinn and Paul Butler and that guy.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I've been called up by Ireland because Peter I did take us to Manchester for four days.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: You'd train the first day, then he'd go, listen, I'll see you Friday.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is Monday, and then he'd like I wouldn't be on loads of money compared to anyone.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: He'd just call me in, him and Bobby Saxon, the assistant, just before I was going out into a taxi, go, come here.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: He'd just give us like 200 quid.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's class, isn't it?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, cheers.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going out to me.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's why the players ran through a brick wall for him.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like it could be, but the thing is as well, you didn't overstep the mark of them.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, you knew he had a life.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: He loves his life now, though, doesn't he, Pete Reed?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Never seen him.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Drinking his on Lexis Flairs.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen them?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: She we on track sits?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is he too old for track sits?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: I that's a Dylan's question to the podcasters who are listening.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: What age are you?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: What age aye.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: What age is too old to wear tractors?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: This is a jogging suit.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it depends on the style and stuff.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: If it's naughty, a deed as baggy shell suit, then you've got to be having a look at yourself at our age, but there's different styles, isn't it?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there is um so he's not answering the question, does he?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: When I put 75, I'm gonna be wearing these joggers and dogs.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's always a bloke in your local with a tractor on and that probably zip up.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Says you're to see us from that.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: But I it's um as I said, that Premier League debut didn't go according to plan.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: But as I said, not on the bench all the time, sometimes on the bench, but not loads of appearances, but in the squad, like as a first team like squad member.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel like that was beneficial to your development, being involved in that environment?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or would you look back and go, Well, I wish I went on loan?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: I went on loan a couple of times.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like no, I I chose it right.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: They said, Do you want to go on loan?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: We we we would rather keep I would have made more money staying that as in being in the squads and that, but when I load the Blackpool, that was an eye-opener at 19.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: Were you all in the same changing room?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: See, we got isolated like we used to get changed to the ground, obviously, home and away changing room.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and us joys were in the away, and the first team were in the home one.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we could go in and stuff, but that's no it it the Charlie Ellie centre were all in this porter cabin, and it was class.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: As I said, the Masseur Harvey mix was in the middle, so it was Carnage, yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was Carnage, but then probably we got the second year after we won, uh we finished seventh Premier League.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Peter Reid signed loads of youngsters, foreigners, like 21, 22 year olds, and the change room was Chocker, and it just lost that dynamic a little bit.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was all English lads, really.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: English, like not many foreigners.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Stefan Swartz was a foreigner, not many more.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: That probably started the canal.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when they got a crick on the recruitment's probably when it changed the widening on the canal the radius, but they've got a chef in that.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I've ever told you, Dylan like this.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Have I ever told you the Milton Nunes story?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, so Sunderland signed a striker, Milton Nunes, for 1.5 million from South America.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: The only problem was there was two.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: There was two Milton Nuneses in South America knocking goals in, right?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we've signed the wrong one.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell you how he's the wrong one, because he was fucking brutal.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: And his debut was in front of Man United Reserves, in front of 30,000 people who've come to see a Milton Milton, bang, touch.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: I went, oh my god.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's a player.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: He was tiny.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I remember him.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: He was absolutely tiny.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he got injured once against Newcastle Reserves at Kingston Park, and Nick Holland ran on, there was no stretcher, and he carried him off like a toddler.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: All Milton had to do, honest, was that.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it would have fallen a kid.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was that small.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: We um we went out, we used to go to this night club called Bar Hall every Saturday.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: So the Newcastle at the time was struggling.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: The Jories loved our Sunderland team because we're all English.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And we're out amongst them, like you get the odd bit of grief, but then you'd talk to us and you'd have crack.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we're in this VIP bit and this bouncer comes over.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Who we used to know?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he used to go, someone taking their piss at the door, lads.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Went who went, there's this five-foot black kid sucking on a lollipop, pretending or claiming he's your new multi-million pound striker.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: We went, the daft twat.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Milton?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let him in.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then honestly, the timing, I've told this before, the timing is unreal.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: They used to put the smoke on in Barhorn like play tunes, and the smoke was on, and we turned it from nowhere.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's walked through this lollipop.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, Milton, but but he knew he knew he was crap, and he he loved every day.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: He came in, like he had won the lottery.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Actually won the lottery.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: He had a house car.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: He had three kids flying around bigger than him, and just like wedged, but absolutely loved it.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: But they got their own way.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm enjoying it.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, it got to that point where it was funny.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: I left.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: I got on loan and all that, and I got the Barnesy move, which we'll talk about another day.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: But it got to the point where Peter Ridoff and made another new five-year contract.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Adrian Heathen, Bobby Saxon took me out or playing Chelsea away a different time, and I was going to be left off the bench.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: He went, come out for a drink with us.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he says there's a new five-year contract there for you.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: We'll love you around the place and all that.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to get a chance.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I was 2021 then.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I need to go and play.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I don't want to when I look back after retirement, and you've got this Wikipedia, and there's no game.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: And uh funny enough, Peter Reed went quite soon after I went to Barnes, and Howard Wilkinson came in and played everyone, every kid.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you're thinking, ah, maybe, maybe.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: But there was a couple of kids got the first appearance, so they got five grand and they lumped it all on Audi TTs.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: They never played again.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Being stung with this, like finance, I know.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it was it was good, it was good crack.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was such a good club, though.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: You've seen it yesterday that the uh the support they've got.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Drop the pen.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: The support they've got like at St James's yesterday.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Phenomenal.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I don't know.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Proper passion.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: Two great sets of supporters in the northeast.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the bigger club, Ski?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Newcastle by a man.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the bigger club?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: Er I'll go Sundland since I was there for the short spell.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: It means everything that derby win.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: New castle will be a ghost hammer because it would have been bouncing today.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: My mate, I tried to speak to my mate just on text bite this morning.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: He just brought not yet.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Not yet.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's how much it affects me.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't despite that, did they either see?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the car speaker about yet?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: The cameras were on a few of their faces at like Ken and last minute or two.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: They were like shell-shocked, weren't they?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: They did not expect for Sunderland to come back.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: My uncle and cousin probably don't go to work today.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Nah.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: I used to do that back in the school.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't go to school with Celtic.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: The way it went is all the one-nil up and then to them to score so late too, aren't they?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're athletics, Sunderland, aren't they?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not the best.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: They mix up a little bit though, like as you said, the big strikers.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't like.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Why did they play in blue?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because Newcastle got beat off Sunderland in the I was going to get a season ticket.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: My dad was going to get us my first ever season ticket.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was 1989.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: We played in the playoffs in Sunderland.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: We drew 0-0 away, and then we played Sunderland at St James's.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: You think you're going to win and go to Wembley, don't you?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sunderland played in blue.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Gabby Deanie and Eric Gates scored.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Eric Gates was a car like.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was I.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: They scored 2-0 in the blue top.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: I missed the levels, wasn't it?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's a couple on a road now, isn't it?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think Sunday.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, it's a lot.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Is it 11 Premier League games?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Clown watch.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, go on.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know who you're going for, yeah.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going for a couple.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Go on, go on.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: Chelsea, right?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're up against it.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Everton.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a great crowd there.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're up for it.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Adam, you're loving this.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why play out from the back, early doors, and invite them on?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: That keeper, man, he's mad.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Invite, but that the whole team stop it.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, play the situation, then get into the game.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: You've got away with one, didn't he?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sunland?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: The boy, the boy nicked it and he before like nothing each.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then he managed to tackle, I think, in his left foot.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sanchez, to me.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Look who nine yesterday, to be fair, came back and had a great game.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: But what you're doing, like you said there though, play the situation.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like the time or the places, it just 52,000 jorries breathing down your neck.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: But you've got Everton breathing down your neck and the playoff in the back.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I think with that role, it's almost like you want to try to settle into your game.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: I totally get that as well.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's more like don't take any chances, don't give them anything to jump on toppies.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: But it's almost like how quickly can we settle into our rival start of the game?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like instead of now be getting involved with all the big 50-50s and stuff, like how can we settle and get a couple of touches of the ball and a couple of passes?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: A Derby's different though, are not?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're doing there.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, carry on.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just saying I think derby games are different, like obviously Newcastle Sunday and Rangers, Celtic them type of games.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: I just think he's played the situation.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do you ever remember the the old forum at Ibrox?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Scott Brown took kickoff.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's the first time I've seen Celti ever doing this.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Took kickoff, he's rolled it and smashed it in the corner.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Aye.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally smashed it in the opposite corner for a throw-in.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Were you doing that every gate?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole team just ran through the room.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So he's just on every gate, pinned them in.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it was almost like no even nobody was even close to like trying to get a flick on or nothing.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was literally just kicked it straight.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: So he knows it was going out.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, it wasn't.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't even try to even like play in an area.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: He literally just kicked in the right into the corner.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole team just locked on.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: I waited the eye brox, and it was like, it's got you got to do any.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: The last thing you want is one nil down.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like you expect us to go play football in a box, but we were going to like put pressure on the city.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Castle could have gone two and three up, couldn't it?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like you know, if you castle get the first, get the second it's game over.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Game over all for the sake of playing out from the back for a couple of seconds.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the ball he was trying to make what was he doing?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was only going the halfway line anyway.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: So nine.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: To swell at a four.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's my clown watch.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: My clown watch.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna take it off him, but I'm giving him it.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I'm giving him it because I get you've made a mistake and you're delighted that you've pulled it back and you've won the game, so it doesn't matter.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: But the camera's on him, he's on his knees, and it gets up and he's like wiping tears and stuff like that and like this is the Dylan McGill guy, like keep going, man.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's just like it's all for sure, innit?
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: It looks a bit of show.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's Mr.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sublin.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, he's he's done amazing, his story's amazing.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: He gives 110% every game, so you can't play well played well for his ability and stuff like that to play at that level, amazing.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: But there is some things over the years where you think you're just doing it.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Kissing the kid at Norwich just for sure.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that high.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Have you kissed me?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, but just yeah, just little things where I get and fans are absolutely love it.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you mean that's the top of it?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: They'll absolutely love it.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I think for us being in the game and you know, like correctly changing them, it's a bit.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so this is why I try to explain to people sometimes.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I try to explain to my mates.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a fan, you love it.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a teammate, you're cringing.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know what they're doing, yeah.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know what they're doing.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think the only thing in the audience.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I like Pickford.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: I like Pickford when he's done the old.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know why I like him?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: When they got beaten in the semi-finals and that at your rolls, he had a party, didn't he?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like on his lass' shoulders and that on the I think he's a bit mad.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was good, he's he's like best mates with the boy George Honeyman that I was at Sundum with Captain.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's done alright.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Best mates with him.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um and he's been in my company a few times at Christmas Does he'd come and meet George and stuff, and he's brand new.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: But see, when I watch him just as like a punter on the TV, I can't like see he pulls a save off and he's pulling faces to the cameras and like and then five minutes later, like he had a good one at the weekend, like good save, but like times before where he's like dropping him in the net and stuff or making mistakes and he's like laughing a couple minutes ago.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like just cut all that out your game, man.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, concentrate.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: So who are we giving the clown to?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sanchez or 09?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think they'll split it.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think we'll split them or Chelsea in general.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can't batter Rasenior again, can we?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: Can we?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, never respected the ball, did they?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Never respected the ball.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: I wrestled him before Kevin Kiloban was at home with him.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: I was a Kev, I was with Kevin.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: That isn't the guy I know.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: He said that is all for sure.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: He's does a podcast with Stevie Codwell.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: He said he said everything is coming out with he said that wasn't a because I think they've got a player to this.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: So if he swallowed this power, it's made them uh hard.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like technical.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard Skip do an interview before Carl City game?
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even ask him.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we need to get it up on a heredit.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get it up next time.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Put a posh accent.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Talks and riddles.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get that off next time.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna put next week.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, he put the team up once when he was in charge.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: There was 12 players on the back.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Two right backs.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't start this week.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Pick your midfield three from these Premier League midfielders and why?
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Shall we name them?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: So the Premier League midfielders, three midfield.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: You've got Schools, Gerard, Keene, Lampard, Vieira, Rodri, De Bruyne, Fabrigras, David Silva, Cante, and Modric.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we all got to put Gerard in, haven't we?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I am, yeah, 100%.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard's in because he's just absolutely.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Gerard in there before before Keene?
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this could take away.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you mean?
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Roy Keene?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: But what why?
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Who have you got Gerard in for?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard could play the 10.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Lampard in there for 10 if you're playing a 10.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Lampard, have you think how you can add how many goals to your team from midfield?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Gandalf, do you know what I mean?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you're thinking go like goals, he has to be in midfield.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Lampard's to be in here.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you think like I want a control in the middle of the pitch?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Scores.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: Is it good?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so goals, who's better than scores?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just play the free Englishman.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then somebody to back him up.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: How good's Rodri?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: This is a we aren't gonna get far here.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: De Brian is a real.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you what should we rule.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Should we rule people out?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is Vieira in?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, nah.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Nah.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think er I don't.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what what can you say?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is Cante in?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, Canton is nowhere near that.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Eh?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Nowhere near that list.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: World Cup winner?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Nowhere near that list.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Double time Premier League?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Leicester?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's nowhere near that list.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Keep saying it.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'll keep saying it and hopefully you're listening.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's nowhere near that.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: David Silva, hair transplant unreal.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: What's up with that?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Not bad.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go myself.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Rodery?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Keane.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you want to take Keane out?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Lampard's out, any?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a question.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Who would be your captain then out of that list?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Have you had to pick a captain?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Roy Keane?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: So how's he knowing your team then?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say he wasn't.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well you said you would take Do you want my three?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard Keane.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: And here you go.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Put this in your pipe.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Modric.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're too similar.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're too similar.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're too similar.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Skulls has got to go in.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're far too similar.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Far too similar.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me your three.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Don Hutchinson.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm putting a diamond.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm struggling here.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fabrigrass out.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, get him out.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: David Silver, get him out.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: David Silva out or in?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Get him out.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Out.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: I want Gerard for all round.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: I want Lampard for gold.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't bad, was he?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've got one for you.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Who's better controlling the game?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Scholes or Rodery?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think Scolles needs a Rodery.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Rodri needs a Skull.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's unbelievable insight.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to see that again?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: We'll clip it.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Go on then.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'd have Gerard for all round.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Gerard's in.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'd have Lampard for goals.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Lampard?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you need a little holder now.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you don't?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Just go all out.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: See, I love Roy Keane.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's my three.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: Roy Keane.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: I love Roy Keane as well.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: So Delignor, Gerard.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Erm.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going Rodri.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Rodery?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going Rodery.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think Rodri's more physical in that than Skold.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: In the modern game.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway to third?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Erm, I would go Rodery, Gerard, and Lampard for gold.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love Roy Keane, but.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: What about you?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard Cain.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Very patriotic, aren't they?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Is it patriotic?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Patriotic?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Patriotic.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely want er I definitely want to put Skulls in there because he's a joke.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: And as I've said last week, there was no point in playing ahead.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: You were loving, can't you?
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: A minute ago.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Leicester.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Chelsea.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Titles.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Modric.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's that that pisses on yours.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Lampard's.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: I bet you there's loads of people that disagree with the biggest thing.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: But you guys should have Lampard.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: But you're going to Lampard.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: This week, everyone, get on the email and get on the Insta.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Three in the middle.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Eight and three in the middle at yarr.com and get your three in and tell us why.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll debate it even more next week.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going Gerard's in on everyone's.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Keane's on in two.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Rodery.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Lampard's in two.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't see that coming like.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think just through numbers, isn't it?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's called a joke, in there.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Where does Fernandez get manually?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Does he get in?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: In that?
• 42:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: But he is doing well too.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: I like what Robby uh Roy Keene said about him, to be fair.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like sometimes stats doesn't tell the full story.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's a captain and they've won nothing.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I I know it's obviously it's it's not a one-man game, but surely you make players beside you better.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: Drive like like your Roy Keynes.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: I know he was fortunate to have a great team, but like you're driving it forward, aren't you?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Gerard driving like Liverpool to close to champ um the leagues, Champions Leagues.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Man United are nowhere near that, are they?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: We can do centre halves as well.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a decent one.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a lot.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just a quick one, did you see on the overlap?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody wrote in and said no Man United player ever in the all-time Premier League.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they'd done the team, didn't they?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: And Rooney started laughing after three names.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: But not one.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: He said not one.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the all the all-time prime.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: The all-time prime.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: So they had who'd they had right back instead of Gary Neville?
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: They had uh did they have Kyler Walker?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Kyle Walker.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: Left back, Ashley Cole.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Ashley Cole be too when they were saying Dennis Owen, weren't they?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Keen was seeing Dennis Owen.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Roommates Owen, he would.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um School Scott again.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: They were talking about Ferdinand.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Was it real Ferdinand?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they said Terry and Van Dyke, didn't they?
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: The big one was Schmeichel, the goal away was Schmeichel.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because they had uh Ederson.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's not even a question, that's just like Schmeichel.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I thought um Van der Sar was better than Schmeichel, maybe.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, Schmeichel was a proper keeper, one yeah.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Proper keeper.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting, he wouldn't want to play out from the back, but he'd have to.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: But then you had Ronaldo Rennie and stuff, didn't you?
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: As well, Ronaldo.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Is Edison in for just because of what he's won, though?
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or is he better?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: His distribution with his feet was phenomenal, wasn't it?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Ellison not better than Edison.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Different, not a new colour.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Tony Corton.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Tony.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Dylan won't even that.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can't believe it.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: What's the crack?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're on to.
• 44:30
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• 45:08
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• 45:10
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• 45:12
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• 45:13
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• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh got a Tesla, haven't I?
• 45:18
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• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Good mate of yours, Skip.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: Grew up together.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: His dad scouted you and got you.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: He did.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but obviously he took a bit of convincing to take me over.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, did he?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because of the weight?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's just a little egg, wasn't I?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh on legs, so we'll have to put your Smiths, your Webley appearance up.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're with Holt E.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Paul and Holty.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get that picture up.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll get that picture.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Was that a sex too?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, you don't understand.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: You don't understand how like how fat I was.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: So like I think you've been half on yourself.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not I'll show you the minute.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, your legs you put together.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: You were just solid.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: Huge?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: Was it getting a little bit more?
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Phenomenal with my legs and that's winging it.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: I've got Chief and I.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: Chief.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: But um I my junior school was um Paul Reid Grand Hall.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: But the best player in our junior school team was Brett Swift.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: Swifty?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: Swifty, yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Had a chance to go to Torquay as a YTS.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: I hope he is this, wouldn't go because of a girl.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if he regrets it.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: But anyways, um I've dad scouting me and Swifty's brother as well.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Mike as well.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great player nearly 50 class.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I at 14, but my dad just said, look, just let them see what they think.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because obviously, ability-wise wasn't a problem.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, when I went over at 14, I could see the looks I was getting as if they say, You know what might have helped you though?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, probably looking at you and writing you off, and the next thing you pinged one that went.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was a thing.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I obviously I was there, so it was 3 30 minutes, and they're like, Well, he's here now.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: We'll we'll have to put him on.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: 3 30 minutes.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I play I played the first the first two, and then I got took off, and they were like, I want to sign you.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um and that was that.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Who was it, John Carver?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: John Murray and John Carver.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um took us back to the ground and John Carver is that who he was in Scotland?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Scotland number two, wasn't it?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Is he Lydia Warsaw or something now?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's been here then everybody.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he didn't, yeah.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so anyway, the the the question is quite serious one, to be fair.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Should more be done by the FA, PFA, or even the clubs, to encourage ex pros into coaching in academies to pass on their knowledge or experience.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give you a shout here at Carl sometimes over the years.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: They've been scared to get ex pros in, I think.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because shall I say it?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: We're better.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've never been approached um and I do think it's I mean there's this thing, isn't there, where people haven't played football sometimes they think it's not always the answer that ex pros should be in there, but they've been there and done it from they've got some good coaches.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not slagging the coach off.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm trying to say.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm trying to say.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, obviously, it doesn't have to be ex-pros, it can be a mix, but I do I can't see how it can't be a positive thing getting expros in.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: But what I was gonna say to you is I've seen this uh I read this question next to my homework.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um like obviously into academy is all great, and I think it's a great idea, but they could maybe push them more towards being referees as well.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because the amount of talking points about referees, and obviously they've never played the game.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: I just um and you see it in Arish player like old Carl Baker, remember him?
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's sort of getting fast tracked.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think there's a 40 now, then and Chris Birchill as well.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Is Birchie doing it?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: Is he Birchie who came here?
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh because he was at obviously playing the World Cup for Trinidad, didn't he?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think they're getting fast tracked because obviously the background they are, yeah.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's I think it's a good idea for Carlisle um to try and get some exposure to referee.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: And but regarding academies, yeah, I think it is a good idea, um, but also it can be a mix as well.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: The problem though, as well, there's a hell of a lot of paperwork to do.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I think what Fleet would have tried to do, Fleet would have so Fleet would have got like a community like Carlisle community centre and stuff, they get the young college kids to do the paperwork and learn about the game that way.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of like the coach will just voice note it after a session, and then the kids will write up the reports because the money you're getting's not great, and then to go home after coaching and say oh I wasn't, but as I say, the coaches are good, like even if not ex-players at Carl are good.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: I it wasn't me slagging them off, I'm saying that there's been a tendency in the past not to invite people in the past regimes to to not threaten the jobs really in case you but like you say, is a lot of time and effort as well.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'll tell you what was good about Carl Academy when we were doing the one-to-ones, they encouraged them coming to us, didn't they?
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: The Carl L coaches, yeah, they did, yeah, yeah, which was good.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think where they are um where the train helps either.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean they've been in Dolston College for years, and it's got to improve, because sometimes you get a third of a pitch and it's not enough.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what I was thinking about.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: Facilities need to improve for them.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'd done a few months when I had I never had any any clubs, uh Butchain that got involved and said, Listen, while you're in this this round of town, do you want to come in?
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he knew I was keen because I always used to speak to him about the youth and that when I was going through my e-licence and stuff and Burchie's an ex player as well.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: He knows like what it's like, and he he thought it'd be good for me to come down, do you know what I mean?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: Which is good, really.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was good.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I was I was down like a few Tuesday, Thursdays for about six, seven weeks within the thirteenths.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was brilliant, honestly.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: I uh it helped me and I thought it helped the players well.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like you could tell like they were proper engaged, do you mean?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: And um but now there is some in there, isn't there?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like obviously like lads who were in there and devs and stuff, yeah, yeah.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Danny Granger.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: I Danny's took on, so took on Morris well.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_02: Seen John Dev yesterday at the the Carla Half Marathon when he finished.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: He looked like he'd struggled.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, well done to everyone.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I went down, it was good.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: He he was there, and he uh fair play to me, he got round well, and I've seen a few other, but I'd done it last year.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, it's a hard thing I've ever done.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think you should put it out there now, you should sign up for next year.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not a chance.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Three of us, three in the middle.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'll cheese on the paddock.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Paul Patterson again.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: His second of three questions what is the biggest misconception fans have about being a professional footballer?
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: The misconception.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say fans see the cars, the social media posts, it's just 90 minutes of action, so it's an easy life.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: But there's extreme pressure, scrutiny on and off the pitch, social life sacrifice.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean, uh there was a time at Barnsley we were in a really bad way, we were getting beat all the time.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't leave the house because you just didn't want to look at people, do you?
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: You feel a bit embarrassed.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there's a lot of that homesickness, stuff like that.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, you're going about there losing.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: I remember we got relegated with Carlisle, so I didn't know how long it should be before I was seen out and about over.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I went into a nightclub called Jumpin' Jackson that night, no the next night.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: Night before.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, and about three, two, three weeks later, and I remember in the toilet, Jumping Jackson.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: One lad held the toilet door and the other one filled me in.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: Did he?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: Two it is.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: And still to this day I don't know, um, because obviously he got relegated, what you doing out your prick and all that.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, listen, I was only there.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's more.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: I tried to blame other people, I was only there four months.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: They were down when I signed.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but I give you a civil through there.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: I got chinned in the toilet.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh obviously I went, but I thought that was a bit a bit much like, but yeah, like there is a lot of imagine they're listening now.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it is alright.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Get your write your sale in, let us know.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: But no, like you say, it's uh it's there is a lot of sacrifices that you've that the people don't see.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um and when you're not in the team, I think that's that's one of the hardest things as well.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: When you're left out and you're out in the cold.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I had it for 18 months at Gretna, and that was the hardest time I ever had in football by a million miles.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was and you knew if you played you'd win.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because they're winning all the time.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: I was down all the time, I was I was miserable, I was hard to be around.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: I was training with the youth team, I was playing reserve team games.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: You've got to remember I'd come from League One in England to playing reserve team games for Gretna.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes at like this is no disrespect whoever, just for example, Stenhouse Muir, nobody there to Wednesday night.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: The standard of football's not what you're used to, and it's hard to get it.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, not about what you do, even if you have a world, you're not getting in the team.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you don't see light at the end of the tunnel, you don't know what to do for the best.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what you think you think to yourself, how did how have I got here so?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's that's what I used to think.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, how has it come to this?
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's pressure as well, yeah.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a big one for me, is pressure.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and we I I think it's hard because we are privileged to our point, uh we don't earned it though, yeah.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: You can see that as well, like you we work hard for it, do you mean and not a lot of people get to play professional football for a living, so there is a lot of sacrifice as well, but the pressure of that next contract, that next club now moving families.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've had it a few times where literally in the space of like a week or two, it's like right, we need to pack up and go.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've been had that.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't either.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like my last one from Forest Green up here, and I knew I was kinda I wasn't going to be a long term, but we put my little one into like a kind of preschool and she absolutely loved it, loved it, didn't want to go, and she mentioned a few times, she's like, I hope I hope we can stay here.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I knew in the back of my head, and she's mentioned it a few times in Carl because she's at a proper school now, and she's mentioned a few times randomly, like, Oh, I hope I don't need to move on to different school.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we don't mention anything in front of her, do you know what I mean?
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: And hopefully I don't, but tough.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: See that sort of pressure of being like, Well, if potentially I need to take it out of school, it's because of me.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like and what I'm doing, and which I can't help, but it's um yeah, I think it's just that constantly chasing the next contract, the next club, and fighting it at the end of the day, you're all mates and stuff, but you're all fighting out with each other to get the next deal, aren't you?
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like if somebody's been in front of you, you kinda you you like 'em, but you don't want them to do better than you, so it's like that constantly fighting for and you don't want to be poison, yeah.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because you can't be poisoning and argue in the dressing room, there's poison people in the fashion.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Some of them are funny, like poison ones, yeah.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, that's yeah.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of the players now in League One, League Two don't help themselves or the bass they think they're lower down, the bigger time, aren't they?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Have you the boy have we spoken about him before the boy at Mockham who's Calio supposed to be signing?
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just like come on.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: But no wonder like people in the public have got a lot a certain kind of uh thought of like footballers, do you I mean?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because you think like they're all flashy and that the ballot.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Every local lad's had this story burning 20 pound notes.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever have that?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: What me doing it?
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so in the in Newcastle it was always the young lads that burning 20 pounds.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was the story.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a lot of fate?
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: I never burnt one just for the crack.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Jamie McGlenn literally burnt one.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: Tony Watt done one of them.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: I can imagine him doing paddy McCoat seen him doing it.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, just in front of someone.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: The£20 note hammered them.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: And no, it was seeing we were in London, it was like 23 quid a drink or something.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: And this don't know, mob watch somewhere.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, if you're gonna burn one, like at least burn enough to get yourself a drink.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like you'd like a£20 note.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: But like just been shot.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just mad.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, as I said, like that Lee Hendry burnt a£20 note, didn't he?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's well known.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was the thing they aimed at young kids at the time.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think nearly every young Sutherland player used to come in and go, Have you had that one round your own village of burning£20 notes?
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: and that's no anyway.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Another question, another great pod, lads.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Fair play.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Question for Lummy.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: What was the noise around the squad when Simon managed to land bridges into the side?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: All the best.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna expand on this and put to the use two during your careers at any level, let's say player or manager, has there been someone who has walked through the door and you've just gone, wow, that's a different level.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: So Bridgie came to Carlisle and had like the agents fee for this because he had had a bad time.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was on the verge of an England call-up and he ruptured his Achilles in an uh against Galatassaray in the Champions League, something like that.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: Was never the same since.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: Got a good move to Bristol City, but just wasn't working out.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: But you could tell he was not as great.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: He gave it one last chance up here.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Simo said, um, Simmo was good.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: He went, Simmo went, right, I want you to come.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: You spoke to Lummy, he went, meet us at Bloomfield Road and play in the reserves tomorrow on a Wednesday, and then come up and train with the squad on the Thursday.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: Bridgie went, no problem.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: Simmo went, don't bother with the reserves, that's all I needed to hear.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just wanted to commit to it.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, just to see if he was good on it.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: Aye.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he just went, no problem, forget tomorrow.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then the good thing for Bridgie was, right?
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: He scored in his second game and he scored in his third game.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus Christ.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was different because what possession?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Centre four.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get you some go I'll get you some highlights.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: He would have been probably would have so that was two.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: He would have been 2002, 2004, it would have been 2004 World Cup or Euros, whatever it's definitely 2006 as well.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: He would have went.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: He would have went the way he was going.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: He was getting hatricks for leads when they won the Champions League in that class.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was some player of mine.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: May other one, Chris Waddle, walked through the door when I was 16.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: Apprentice.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: Chris Waddle.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, when Rude Hullock got the job at Newcastle, we were all is he tall?
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a massive unit.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: But they'd just done like a I think I'd done it on purpose just to say, look, I'm gonna show you how good I am still.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they'd just done this like small sided game, and you were like, he has to play.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: How old was he?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: Rude then.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: 58.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was about to.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't that he was like just 40 or something?
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: He was around 40s, and like how good he was, you're like this is not.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: He lived in the Malmazon, didn't he?
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: He lived in the hotel and he just started talking to him.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what someone walks in and you're like how good that be?
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_02: And you just stared at him and his presence, but he ended up not having anything to do with us.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_02: So we and like my thoughts of him layer down the line.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: I just thought he was a I wasn't his biggest fan, but that was just because of the way Tre the younger lads.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_02: We were just separated.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he separated us.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: If you weren't in your first team, you weren't yeah, you weren't anywhere.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but then you'd speak to someone like that.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_02: What's Steve Clark like?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_02: He was alright, just this is boring.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: Quiet and just yeah, like Bob Lee, ham as him, didn't he?
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_02: Seemed like he was always in a bit of a bad mood, like, but but then you could ask Jamie McClenny, it would be the opposite.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because he got his debut under Hullet, they loved him, didn't he?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: And served with David David Barrell.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: They were with them, so they'll they'll say it's very different to me, but we were we were well away from them, but hull it for me, yeah.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um when I went into Celtic, they were already they were already there.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't really trying to think.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: I know I've mentioned Big Virgil, um, but even then he didn't stop.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what manager?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Manager that you've went erm to be fair, Jack Ross was really good at Sunderland.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: Although on the pitch we never got the results that we wanted, but I felt for him in that documentary.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't need it, did he?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I don't think he won like he wasn't a big fan of it anyway.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was already decided before he even got the job.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: But erm aye, just just top guy, top manager, do you know what I mean?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: And now obviously I'm doing my badges and stuff, like you didn't cast it.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's involved with Newcastle still, yeah.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: But now you see like the actual the thought process behind the sessions and stuff, do you mean what it takes and the knowledge and stuff?
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: So um yeah, I'd probably say manager like Jack Ross and McKinnon's to be fair as well, like just that old school kind of no to nothing fancy, but just the way he manages his teams.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Good presence as well.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just something about him, like he gets results, do you know?
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'd tell you, um did you ever play championship manager when you're younger?
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's called football manager now.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: So Paul Warhurst played for Blackburn and he was so his position was defender, midfielder, forward, right, left, centre.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: So he was the unreal player, so you always tried to sign him, and I ended up rooming with him at Barnsley.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: Did you?
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like looking going, bloody hell like Did you ever sign Freddie Adoo?
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you've never been a kid from America.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, because I'd grow up by then.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh were you too old?
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what your age.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: That was the first thing I used to do was sign him.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: He was like 14 at the time for like I don't know, 10 grand or something.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: They would score like 30 gold a season, man.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a cheating.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know when he went.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just knew a cheat code for chat manager.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever sign yourself on it when you eventually went?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: 250 quid?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: 100 grand a week, there you go.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: FIFA.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh James do the radio with, he would just be bloody still plays on it.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Plays on it all the time.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love it, alright?
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, grow up.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: So right anyway, we're gonna go on to um well anyway.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's what's the crack done.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you so much, Julian.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Again, but we're gonna go on to Scotland.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: Celtic?
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I blew up, haven't I?
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: Really bad result yesterday.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: Really bad.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: But have you seen the pitch?
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to make it defined, I don't want to make excuses because the even if they won yesterday as well, like that pitch is just unacceptable.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: And the argument is like, well, they played on it, but they're two different teams and how they're trying to go about the game.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: Then you'd like to try to be sold alright on that pitch first.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: They actually popped it a little bit.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: I thought as well at times like nothing each.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um but they were just other men behind the ball, being solid, and then countering, do you know what I mean?
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: Then set plays and long throws, which that was the game plan.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: They got the result, but for anybody watching it and like players that want to play football, man, like how can you play football on that?
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's a shambles.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think it should be fine.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of like all else pitch when we got league two, wasn't it?
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: So people used to come up the tunnel and go, We were used to it.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: But they should do they should do better.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, especially with what's what's what's on it.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know it was a big three points?
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: Especially with Hearts and Rangers both.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you're sticking with hearts still.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: I am going hearts.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to still stick with Celtic.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: Are you?
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Aye.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not changing, I'm going hearts.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, hearts think the supposed to win it, and I just think you're talking like single single digits.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's only seven games.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: What about Rochdale and York?
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Last game of the season, play each other.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_02: Will we go down?
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be decent now.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: I will be.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: Half twelve kickoff.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is it at York?
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: Rochdale.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh booze.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, I guess it'll be boozer in a chip shop.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Think about Trump Stadium.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, I'm I've been on Bookings.com to book my h hotels for Wembley.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just in case.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a day.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna take my missus and my little girl.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um I really want them, I wanna I wanna take her, so I'm praying that they get there.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I think they've got a right good chance if they finish third, with because I'll pack Brunton Park will be.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: Just hope they don't sort of not shoot themselves, but because there will be a lot better.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: What is what is the date of the final?
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: I had in May Gaffa.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: May 10th.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: May the 10th.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think we'll be down there.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Podcast.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: Aye, get in Box Park, live event.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_01: Five live, get out of the way.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: Live event, pints.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: Aye.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I'd tell you a story about uh when I was at Sunderland.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Remember Kevin Ball?
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: With Captain.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: So Kevin Ball intense.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: Ball with the youth.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: He was involved with the youth now.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: He was like the head guy.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why he got let go.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's shocking he's not around that.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: But erm, so we went to Marbair and I was only 18.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we were sitting around the pool in Marbella, and this is where Marbeer was like five-star.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't no young'uns going.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was you were like, We walked down the port once and we've seen Sean Connery and Antonio Banderas, and it was just the cream of the crop.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: No young'uns, just two bars.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, Bali were on the pool one day and he went, Oh, get over here, me and Conry, Mark Conry, youngin'.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he went, uh he went, it's boring round, yeah.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're going by a stereo and buy some CDs.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone chucked in 10 euro.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like 300 quid.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we just walked out, and uh me and Con are like, and so if there's a thingy there, I went, Well, that there's a like a curries round yeah, I guns.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, lummy, speech that anyway.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna knee, we're near there.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna off we go.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: 300 quid, see us later, lads.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, Bali.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know what Bali's like?
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's on his afternoon walk and Marbea, oiled up in that.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, heard us.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oi! What the fuck are you two doing?
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, we'll have a few haven't we?
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, Bali?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: He went, what's up?
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: Where's the fucking stereo?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: He went, Well, at the point, where's the money?
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: I went, it's gone, Bali.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to get, what do you mean, gone?
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: I went, where's it gone?
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: I went, brass and booze.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: He got an inspector.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: He started to run, and we just tear off the dechy.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: We've chased, and he's we've ran up this hill.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: But Bally's not seeing us chasing us in his head.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's subconsciously going, but a pre-season this.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like and chasing.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're running, and we've like ran into the hotel, and everyone's around the bar and we're ducking and diving, and like, and they've all forgotten where the fuck you two being.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, just dusted your money down at the port.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: And Peter Reed went, Brave that, you know.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: Peter Reed came, come yeah, you two.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking got us over and he went, sit down.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: He went, What happened?
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: The lads give us some like money for a stereo.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: He went, Well, where's the fucking stereo?
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Messed up then.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: Just drank it and that and went to strip clubs and that.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he went, fucking brilliant.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: I knew that was coming up.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: Old school manager would love that like kind of character, wouldn't he?
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: But Peter we were saying he was saying the new the the wrong Milton Nunes.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't arsed.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like he wasn't arsed at all.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: He had a path.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: In the end, the fans got sick of him, didn't they?
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: Just too regular.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, finishing seventh was great because he'd been in the job five years, he ran at six, don't you?
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: Aye.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: But he's uh he's a legend.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like I and I said yesterday, I said to you, Dylan, Celtic supporters watching the game yesterday, hammering O'Neill a bit.
• 1:06:42
  unknown: That's harsh, isn't it?
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: Can I hammer o'Neill?
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's done unbelievable for the squad of players that he's got there.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like to turn them round and even to be in contention in the last what six games or whatever, to be even close.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're still not always from the long shot, are they?
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: They all play each other and they split in it and there's what five games.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I think so.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I think Teltic will still be.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't see them I don't see them winning every game.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: Motherwell's a tough game.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hearts, Rangers, Hibbs.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um who else?
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: Falk have done well this year.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, Falco have done really well.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like they pop it down.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've Henderson's my mate, Josh Walker, used to be at Middlesbrough.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_01: Probably played in that borough game.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_02: He did play in that borough game, yeah.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: I got his top.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's got erm.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_02: I was raging.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: Aye.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: He was like Jonathan Shopper.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, ah, I can't then.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the recording.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was round his head.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: He was doing the dishes.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a barrel.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: Taking the pizza at the oven.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: Spell it wrong.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: B-O-I-D.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: He must have got that and just walked in the chair room and went.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's got a coaching company in Edinburgh, and that Henderson worked for him for a bit.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_01: He can't now because they went full time.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: I learned going on before about the good question about footballers and the the perception.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to hear the most gutton thing ever?
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: Er so I was playing for the reserves, I was playing really well.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: Peter was all over as an Adrian Heath.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: And er I've gone in the dressing room and he's named the squad.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I've came out, I'm not in it.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Adrian Heath came, comes past and goes, You deserve that.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well done.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: Get your stuff on.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what?
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: He went, You're on the bench?
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: I went, I'm not.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he went, You are?
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_01: I went, named the bench.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: I went, I'm not on it.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: He went, who's on it?
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I named the lad and he went, fuming, polders.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sullen what whining and dining, five Republic of Ireland kids to sign and they put an Irish kid on the bench instead of me to say look.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like this could be you one day.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: And Adrian Heath, to be fair to him, was had a go.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_02: Newcastle done that with a lot of the Irish kids as well.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_02: They've got real good contracts and stuff, like didn't they?
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_02: Even some of them weren't weren't that great, but just because they were coming over, they always got really looked off.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: Adrian Heath went to me, he went, I tell you what, Nummy, freaking when I leave here and I get a manager's job, I'm gonna come in for you.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're my first sign-in.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: Got a job, Chef United, six weeks later, didn't he?
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: Patch your bags.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_01: Did he fuck?
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: Need calling out, and that's what happened.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: He got sacked and came back.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just wasn't right for you.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't not.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: Done with that.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_01: But we decided Rammelant wasn't for me.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: But alright, so as I say, yeah, politics though, not that's what and that's what I'm saying about football, and and this is why we go into the Luke O9 thing where the supporters love him, but in the dressing room, you're like, cringe circumstances why you're not playing.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: People in Barnes thought I was tossing it off, I couldn't play.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: The club wouldn't release that, they wouldn't pay 250 grand on my next appearance to Sunderland.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's tough, innit?
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's tough like playing politics, like it's especially you come to Indicare, you see things and you hear things, and it's just like it makes you kind of fall to love a wee bit with football.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just like best players are going to play, there's a lot of kind of moving parts.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: If he doesn't play, we need to pay a percentage of his wages to the club that he's on loan from all this kind of stuff, and you're like it sounds harsh, but the minute you walk into that dressing room, the first ever time as an apprentice, the dream dies a bit.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not the dream dies, but your your perception on football is completely different.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: So these players you think all love the club, don't you?
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: They think that all the worst players.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you've got people you go in, they're like, ah can't be arse today.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I want to move.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then you see them on a Saturday and they're out.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: First thing they're doing is out clapping all the fans and living it all up.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_01: But they they can't be asked, like half of them don't even stay in the city that they play in.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know when they're travelling two hours every day, they're on back, and you're like Did you you know Cascals?
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Did you get was there some Cascals where the ridiculous how far they travelled?
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: We done an hour and ten, which was just acceptable.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Sam Collins and Adrian Littlejohn from Paw Vale, they travelled together, and I think it was two and a half hours there.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Two and a half hours.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Can't eat everything.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: You're not the train could see how much you took the toll on them as well.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Physically, mentally, trapped everything.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Both had bad backs, like even their diet and stuff.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: You could go to bed every night going again tomorrow, not again tomorrow.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: But see, we've got diet, and it's already been one percenters.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: There you're stopping off at service stage for a coffee and you're grabbing something quickly, like a sandwich and you're getting back.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: It just all adds up rather than going ten minutes up the road to your house and relaxing and going out for lunch.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: And my my car school didn't do very well.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Danny Graham, Michael Bridges, Gary Medine.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not bad at all.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Not bad at all.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so tell tell me about Gary Medine.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: He er he he went to Chef Wedd for a good bit of money and he got a lot of bother and they released him.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he was driving to um Blackpool for a contract, and er he was on some like he was on big money at Chef Wedd and he was going to Blackpool for like and uh he'd done a handbrake turn on the motorway because Bolton Rang matched it.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then he's done at Bolton and got the big move to Cardiff.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Did Cardiff pay him up?
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't right very much.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna wind it up, but I've got a message to read out long enough.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Millie.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: So listeners, Sir Jeff Hur Sir Jeff Hurst, the last remaining member of the England 1966 World Cup team is coming to call on April the 18th.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to get in touch, stand out of VIP tickets, go to Ticket Source or get in touch at info at imeventservices.co.uk.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Millie.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Be a good night.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: It will be a good night, yes.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can if you can make.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Jeff Hurston come uh much.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_02: He must have been 18 when he scored that hat trick or something.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um World Cup final, Dylan, eh?
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm keeping quiet in this butt yeah.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_01: I won't appeal to you with it, no.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'll be a great night now.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's celebrating six years since there's an amazing hat-trick in the final against West Germany, and it'll be a great night.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Millie will probably host, yeah.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he'll host it, yeah.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_01: So coming to Carlisle on April the 18th.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Again, info at imeventservices.co.uk.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean a hat-trick in a World Cup final.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it doesn't get any better, does it?
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Absolute legend.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right, thank you.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we are delighted again to be sponsored this week by Britannic Room.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: As I've said, Dylan needs to get down.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you need to treat Dom.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: I always do.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can't keep going to the Cali.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: A few Jack Daniels down there in a couple of weeks.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wait there.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: You live in the Cali.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I'm not on a date.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'll take my missus to the cali.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: You got on a pickled egg.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic cocktail bar situated on Louder Street opposite Nando's.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Been in a few times, I have to say, and as I've said, cocktail, beers, ales, Espresso Martini's decent as well.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: And the seating area outside, which today could be good, be the perfect for the nice summer.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, thank you so much again to Ben, Maca, and Russell for the sponsorship.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you to Julian for the Ben Centre.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, as always, yeah, and the lads.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you to the sponsors we've got lined up going forward.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll do a little shout out to them all on Insta as well.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Finish with a little quiz question for you.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Go on then.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know it.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's about not ready, man.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_03: Time is money wrong.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: Got his Nokia out.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: I've got his barrow share, disc clock.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_02: When Carla United were defeated 2-0 in the LDV final 2003.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Bristol City.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Who presented the trophy?
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody for the Royal Family, I'm saying.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Just throwing it at that.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Wait there.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, wait there.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a celebrity?
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is it royalty?
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: 2003.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's an international manager, isn't it?
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Has been?
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a has been.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, you are, but he has been.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Glenn Ottle.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Dylan.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Erm.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_01: He was only three?
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Has been a manager?
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Still have a guess.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Has managed his country.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Van Gaal, I was gonna say.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Bristol Carlo.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: That was is he British?
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's British, yeah.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_02: Does he drink in the Cali?
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_02: He might have done.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, then.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_02: I've not got a clue.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Matthews.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh lads.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great question.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: On that bombshell?
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: What is he on with?
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing, just go and go and see mum and dad and then pick Safeira up.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_02: She's swimming, thought I'll have pass and then nothing.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_02: My young's in the final of gymnastics today.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh good luck.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Good luck.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Good luck, yeah.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Tyrant that she is.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, nothing much.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm going tomorrow.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going down to Scotland on the 19th.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Training, watch training tomorrow.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Guy was on my license the c the that runs it.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Said that I can come down and watch a bit of training.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Come down, go up.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, true, isn't it?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: I always say go down.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Go down to Glasgow, yeah.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Goodbye.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: All the best.