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Sleepaway Camp (1983) Novelization & Commentary · Beyond The Blood: A Horror Movie Commentary Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Anything for a good cause. I'm a security god.
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  Speaker 2: I kill people every fucking day.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: When I was growing up in Bakersfield, my favorite thing
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  Speaker 1: in all the world was to go to the movies
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoons for the chapter plays.
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  Speaker 3: I know that, mister man.
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  Speaker 4: They also call them cereals.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not stupid, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I am the.
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  Speaker 1: Devil and I am here to do the devil's work.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to Beyond the Blood, where we uncover the truth
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  Speaker 5: behind the quiet smiles, the summer heat in the darkness
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  Speaker 5: no one wants to talk about. And as always I
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  Speaker 5: have my co host Chris joining me tonight. What's going on, Chris?
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  Speaker 3: What's up? Man?
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  Speaker 5: Well, we're heading to Camp Airwhack, a place that looks
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  Speaker 5: innocent fun from a distance, but up close, something's wrong.
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  Speaker 5: The kids are cruel, the adults are worse, and in
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  Speaker 5: the shadows, someone is watching someone who never learned how
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  Speaker 5: to survive the pain that made them. We're diving into
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  Speaker 5: the twisted world of sleep away Camp, a slasher that
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  Speaker 5: hides its horror behind sunlit cabins and screaming teams. And
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  Speaker 5: we're going deeper with b. R. Fwind's novelization, which pulls
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  Speaker 5: us inside the minds, the memories, and the secrets that
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  Speaker 5: the film only hints at until that unforgettable final moment.
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  Speaker 5: So grab a seat by the lake, keep your voice down,
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  Speaker 5: and don't trust the quiet ones. This is a sleep
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  Speaker 5: away camp on Beyond the Blood.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, have you ever stayed at a sleep away camp?
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  Speaker 5: I have, really, Yeah, not for I think that they
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  Speaker 5: were there for three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Oh three was it wasn't like fat camp, right, you're skinny?
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  Speaker 5: No, No, it was. It was a church camp that
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  Speaker 5: I went to every summer. I think it was like
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  Speaker 5: more so in elementary if I remember correctly, and I
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  Speaker 5: was being I was always like really nervous going to it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: just because it was you know, you're away from home.
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  Speaker 5: You only know a handful of people there, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and it's just but it's it's definitely a cool experience,
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  Speaker 5: like going back and watching some of these movies, you know,
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  Speaker 5: especially with sleep Away Camp. Obviously none of this stuff
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  Speaker 5: hopefully it didn't go on around me, but it makes
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  Speaker 5: me feel very nostalgic for when I used to go
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  Speaker 5: to it.
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  Speaker 3: You mean to tell me you've never had a balloon
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  Speaker 3: full of urine?
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  Speaker 5: Nope, I can't say that I have.
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  Speaker 3: Well, dude, I'm stoked to be back here with you. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: of course we're talking about Sleepway Camp from nineteen eighty three.
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  Speaker 3: This was written, directed and produced by Robert Hiltzik, shot
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  Speaker 3: by Benjamin Davis with makeup effects. Why word French. Some
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  Speaker 3: music composed composed by Edward. I can't say it's a below.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is his last name, and this was
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  Speaker 3: distributed by United Film Distribution Company. This is a very
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  Speaker 3: very special episode for us because we've teamed up with
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  Speaker 3: in Cyclopocalypse Publications for this episode. Psychopocalypse is a company
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  Speaker 3: that I've been personally collecting for pretty much years now.
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  Speaker 3: I think Erica has bought me a bunch of their novelizations,
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  Speaker 3: some I have a good bit on my own, as
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  Speaker 3: well as some other work that they've put out. You know,
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  Speaker 3: one of the things that I know that you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm very passionate about are novelizations. Absolutely something that I
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  Speaker 3: collected very young, when I was a kid. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like that was kind of like the height of them.
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  Speaker 3: So now in twenty twenty five, to kind of see
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  Speaker 3: a resurgence happening with them, it makes me very very happy,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm stoked that a company like in cyclo Apocalypse,
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  Speaker 3: along with a ton others, are kind of bringing them
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  Speaker 3: back and keeping them alive again. It's something that I
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  Speaker 3: really hope to kind of continue seeing more and more
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  Speaker 3: and more of. But you know, we were we kind
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  Speaker 3: of reached out to a psycho Apocalypse because they had
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  Speaker 3: shared a podcast episode of ours where we had mentioned
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  Speaker 3: them in a previous episode. We had a meeting with
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  Speaker 3: Mark Miller, their founder, and we were trying to decide
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  Speaker 3: which book we can put together with a commentary episode
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  Speaker 3: and kind of cover both of One Time and sleep
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  Speaker 3: Away Camp was perfect, perfect choice. Oh dude, I'm so
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  Speaker 3: happy we did this. Like to talk about briefly a
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  Speaker 3: novelization that expands upon the materials so perfectly. It's using
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  Speaker 3: in earlier draft of the script than the final script.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's some pretty major differences there. But this novel
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  Speaker 3: was written by b. R. Flynn, who is a trans writer,
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  Speaker 3: which was very important for En Psycho Apocalypse in the
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  Speaker 3: kind of creation of putting this novelization together. It brings
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  Speaker 3: a very unique personal perspective to the character of Angela.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it just enhanced the experience overall, you know
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  Speaker 5: from ya seeing it through that lens, I thought was
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  Speaker 5: really important and critical.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and it's something that I think was
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  Speaker 3: so vital going into it and kind of understanding for
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  Speaker 3: us as a reader the author personal attachment to to
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  Speaker 3: the kind of the feelings and the experiences of the character.
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  Speaker 3: It brings a very very very personal sense to I'm
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  Speaker 3: laughing because there's moments in this book from the perspective
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  Speaker 3: of Angela that are so real and so sensitive. It's
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  Speaker 3: amazing that it winds up in a book for sleep
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  Speaker 3: Away Camp. You don't expect that, no going in not
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  Speaker 3: at all, And genuinely, as much as I love the
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  Speaker 3: Sleepwy Camp movie, I think the book is better. I
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  Speaker 3: think the book expanded upon it so much better. That
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  Speaker 3: is far. If you're talking like should I read the
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  Speaker 3: book and or watch the movie, I think the book
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  Speaker 3: tells the story better than the movie does.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I felt, like, you know, having limited experience and
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  Speaker 5: you know, reading film novelizations, I felt, you know, one
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  Speaker 5: of the things you and I were talking about was
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  Speaker 5: how this just overall enhancy experience I had watching the movie.
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  Speaker 5: I got more out of the book than I was
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  Speaker 5: ever expecting. So I have to give b. R. Flinn
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  Speaker 5: a lot of credit because, you know, just like I said,
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  Speaker 5: seeing it from such a different perspective, I thought was
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  Speaker 5: just so crucial to having more of like a personal
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  Speaker 5: touch on this, like not only the film, but with
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  Speaker 5: the novelization.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and alongside that stuff, it does everything that you
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  Speaker 3: want from a novelization. It makes the death scenes gruesome
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  Speaker 3: and graphic, It expands upon them in ways that really
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  Speaker 3: kind of it's much meaner in the kills than the
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  Speaker 3: movie is.
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  Speaker 5: Oh they're not really.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll get into them more. I promise you
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna break these down. I do want to say
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  Speaker 3: right off the bat, just a spoiler warning. Clearly, I
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  Speaker 3: think if you're listening to this, you've seen sleep Away Camp.
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  Speaker 3: But if you are interested in the novel, this isn't
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  Speaker 3: now available from its psycho Apocalypse, so make sure go
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  Speaker 3: over and check that out. We'll have links in the bio.
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  Speaker 3: These aren't affiliate links. We don't get any kickback from those.
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  Speaker 3: We just want to support these guys as much as
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  Speaker 3: we can. And a huge thank you, you know, from
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  Speaker 3: us through you purchasing it, for allowing us this opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: But spoiler warning, we are going to dive into the
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  Speaker 3: stuff that's different about the book and the movie. So
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  Speaker 3: if you want to read the book and you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to know what differences are there, you don't want
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  Speaker 3: that ruined for you, pause, go buy it. Read It's
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  Speaker 3: about one hundred and ninety swift pages. You'll get through
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  Speaker 3: it very quickly, and then come back to this episode,
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  Speaker 3: because I think it's going to be a great conversation
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  Speaker 3: that we're about to have.
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  Speaker 5: It was a quick read. It didn't take too long.
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  Speaker 3: I think I read it the first time. I think
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  Speaker 3: I told you like a day and a half.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't that quick for me. But then again,
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  Speaker 5: I felt like I like to take a little breaks
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  Speaker 5: in between.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I stormed right through, man, I was.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to dive into something a little bit
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  Speaker 3: different I want to do. I want to highlight some
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  Speaker 3: news that's been coming out for physical media real quick
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  Speaker 3: and kind of talk about some things that I know
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  Speaker 3: I'm very excited about that features some bonus features that
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  Speaker 3: I would encourage everyone to seek out and find when
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  Speaker 3: these releases do come out. The first big one January sixth,
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  Speaker 3: coming from Neon is Chris Stuckman's Shelby Oaks. I don't know, Steve,
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  Speaker 3: did you get a chance to see this?
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  Speaker 5: I haven't. I'd heard a lot of buzz behind this
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  Speaker 5: film leading up to it when it was released. I'm
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  Speaker 5: obviously familiar with Chris Stuckman through YouTube, So to see
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  Speaker 5: that transition from you know, having such an established following
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  Speaker 5: on YouTube to directing films, I think it's pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm really excited to see this film. It's definitely
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  Speaker 5: on my watch list.
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  Speaker 3: Have you I did not? I know, the marketing leading
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  Speaker 3: up was fantastic. Well the I mean I went from
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  Speaker 3: an avid of Chris Stuckman to kind of moving away
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  Speaker 3: from watching reviewers. So then all of a sudden, I
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  Speaker 3: felt like my internet life was bombarded by Chris again
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  Speaker 3: because the marketing was everywhere, which is great. I'm happy
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  Speaker 3: it went that way.
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  Speaker 5: I was really impressed with the rollout that they had
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  Speaker 5: for this film. You know, just left me guessing what
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  Speaker 5: this movie is actually about, you know, the way that
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  Speaker 5: they teased it during the marketing campaign. But props to him,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well this is getting a Blu Ray release
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  Speaker 3: and does have a commentary track by Chris Stuckman. Very
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  Speaker 3: excited to check watch the movie but then follow up
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  Speaker 3: with that commentary track. You also get six episodes which
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  Speaker 3: cover I'm making of Shelby Oaks as well. One piece
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  Speaker 3: of news that I'm very excited about from a label
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  Speaker 3: that US here in the US haven't really been shown yet,
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  Speaker 3: but I was lucky enough to kind of come across
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  Speaker 3: them on Instagram as a last Slate Video. These guys
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  Speaker 3: just recently put out Laid to Rest one and two,
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  Speaker 3: which are two of the best kind of lower budget
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  Speaker 3: slashers ever. They're kind of like the Terrifier before Terrifier.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, if you knew, you knew about Chrome's Goal,
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  Speaker 3: and you knew about these Late to Rest movies, They're incredible.
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  Speaker 3: They do these really nice kind of deluxe releases with
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  Speaker 3: an outer case and you know, our cards, insider character cards,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you might call it. But they just announced from
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three on Blu Ray snap Dragon, which comes
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  Speaker 3: out on December fifteenth, And this is the first film
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  Speaker 3: role of Pamela Anderson. And I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 3: ever seen this.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't you.
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  Speaker 3: I think they could be a fan.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trusting your judgment on this.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm very excited about with this is not only
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  Speaker 3: is there an interview with the director, Worth Keeter, but
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  Speaker 3: there's also a Calling the Shots documentary, which is a
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  Speaker 3: retrospective on Pamela Anderson's filmography. Very very cool. That's the
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff I like.
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  Speaker 5: I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very very cool. Another one I'm excited about because
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  Speaker 3: I think I should have checked this before we went live.
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  Speaker 3: I think Vinegar Syndrome released this before. This is Devil
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  Speaker 3: Times five from nineteen seventy four, coming to the Slasher
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  Speaker 3: Classics Blue Ray, Blue Blue Blue Ray, Lie Jesus Blue
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  Speaker 3: ray Line from eighty eight Films January twenty sixth. This
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  Speaker 3: release comes with a brand new audio commentary with the
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  Speaker 3: hysteria continues. There's an archival commentary with the cast, producer
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  Speaker 3: and then unaccredited director David Sheldon, a whole bunch of interviews.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know anything about Devil Times five?
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  Speaker 5: I don't. I remember seeing this when I think it
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  Speaker 5: was Vinegar Syndrome that released the four K for this.
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  Speaker 3: I feel my gut went to Vinegar Syndrome.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Funny like, as we're recording this, I have my computer
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  Speaker 3: in front of me and I could just.
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  Speaker 5: I remember when this was released, but I haven't had
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  Speaker 5: a chance to It was.
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  Speaker 3: Vinegar Syndrome, yes, and it looks like it was a
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  Speaker 3: Is this a blu ray or a four K.
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  Speaker 2: K?
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  Speaker 3: It is a four K YEP with hd R Yes
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  Speaker 3: Films being front of the UK. This is the official
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  Speaker 3: probably UK release.
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  Speaker 5: I will say though, I love what eighty eight Films
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  Speaker 5: is doing with the Slasher Classics that they've been putting out.
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  Speaker 5: They have a number of them so far. Pretty sure.
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  Speaker 3: There's a bunch of them, man, and they have numbered spines.
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  Speaker 3: I remember a couple of years ago, I think, kind
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  Speaker 3: of before I went region free looking into it, and
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  Speaker 3: they were already at like number forty. I think by that.
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  Speaker 5: What I didn't realize it was that many.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot, it's a lot. It should I think
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  Speaker 3: I have it right here, there's Shelby, oh snap Dragon,
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  Speaker 3: and oh yeah, here it is right here. This is
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  Speaker 3: number sixty one in the Slasher Classics line.
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  Speaker 5: So I got a lot of catch up to this started.
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  Speaker 3: One way, make your way down, Make Way. I also
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  Speaker 3: want to shout out another release coming in February from Radiance.
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  Speaker 3: This is nineteen sixty five's Libido, and I'm very excited
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  Speaker 3: about this. I have a bear like bare Bones Blu
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  Speaker 3: ray of Libido, but this this new release from Radiance,
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  Speaker 3: which is an incredible company, astonishing company. They have a
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five audio commentary recorded by Sam Deagan, who
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  Speaker 3: was one of my favorite people in the industry doing
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  Speaker 3: absolutely wonderful material with audio commentaries and podcasts and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So that that's that's the reason to pick it up
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  Speaker 3: for me. Very nice and possibly the biggest news that
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  Speaker 3: we had to kind of just mention here before we
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  Speaker 3: getting a sleep away camp.
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  Speaker 5: You saved the best for last.
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  Speaker 3: Best for last. Severn Severn Films, as everyone knows, my
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  Speaker 3: favorite label in the industry, has been doing their kind
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  Speaker 3: of Black Friday announcements. Every day they announced a new title,
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  Speaker 3: and we knew this was coming thanks to some information
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  Speaker 3: that was put out a couple months ago from one
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  Speaker 3: of the you know like release Instagram pages. But now
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  Speaker 3: we have an official announcement that Severn is putting out
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  Speaker 3: a four K of Mario Baba's A Bay of Blood Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: from nineteen seventy one, and in typical Severn style, this
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  Speaker 3: is a five disc set. The fifth disc is a soundtrack,
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  Speaker 3: but this comes with three separate versions of the film,
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  Speaker 3: the English released, the original Italian release, and the Italian
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  Speaker 3: re release of the film. This is coming with a
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  Speaker 3: commentary by Tim Lucas. We also have on disc three one, two, three,
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  Speaker 3: four interviews This is Stacked Dude, and then on disc
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  Speaker 3: four Blu Ray we have Hallmark of Horror, Carnege Deathner's
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  Speaker 3: and Last House Part two video essay. We have the
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  Speaker 3: Artist Cinema, which is an archival featurette featuring assistant director,
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  Speaker 3: his son Lamberto Baba, Mario Baba's biographer, and Joe Dante.
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  Speaker 3: We have some archival interviews. There is a Bava in
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  Speaker 3: the Grindhouse which is Joe Dante on Baba. There's seven
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  Speaker 3: Super Shock intro by Lamberto Baba. Jesus Man, this is
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  Speaker 3: jam packed.
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  Speaker 5: We've been like this year, We've been so fortunate with
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  Speaker 5: the amount of Bava releases that we've gotten so far.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know this. This definitely is that at
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  Speaker 5: the top.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, as we both spent the two hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars on the Screen Factory set, so this is double
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  Speaker 3: dipping for us. But I'm not that upset. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: as upset as I seem to be when this was
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  Speaker 3: kind of starting to roll out, because there's many pieces
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  Speaker 3: of the Screen Factory Baba release that's not going to
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  Speaker 3: get a four K deluxe release, at least not within
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  Speaker 3: the next couple of years. So I'm still happy to
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  Speaker 3: have that set with the stuff that's not going to
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  Speaker 3: get more attention. Of course, Bay of Blood and what
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  Speaker 3: was the other one, the Day announced Black Sunday Scream Factory.
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  Speaker 3: I just put out Black Sunday on four K. Of
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  Speaker 3: course those are going to get more deluxe treatments, probably
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  Speaker 3: one or two others out of the box.
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  Speaker 5: If there's one film that I'm happy is getting the
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  Speaker 5: boutique treatment, I'm glad it's this one out of any
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  Speaker 5: one of the movies in that box set. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: this is definitely up there for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the one that I kind of when
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  Speaker 3: I when I clicked by on the Screen Factory set,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I knew that Bay of Blood was eventually going to
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: get some treatment. I was not expecting it to come
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  Speaker 3: from Severn, but I'm very happy it did.
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  Speaker 5: I know. I was gonna say this exceeded my expectations.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's a little frustrating with the screen
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  Speaker 5: Factory set. But if you're not you know, like if
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  Speaker 5: you're just looking for a great way to dive into
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  Speaker 5: his films, I feel like that that's all encompassing. If
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  Speaker 5: you decide to take it to that next level. You know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: if you really are committed, then I guess you could
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  Speaker 5: you know, approach getting either the Screen Factory four K
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: for Black Sunday or this four K through seven.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so huge stuff coming. I can't believe we're
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: already talking about releases in February.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely insane. But what do you say, man, what do
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you think? What do you think about us diving in
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: this commentary into this novel? You ready to take the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: plung I'm ready, all right, man. Well, just a couple
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: of sources, so everybody knows where we've kind of compiled
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: research from. We're basing the commentary notes off of two
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: commentary tracks that are available on the Blu ray release
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: from Screen Factory. One is with Robert Hiltzick. It's moderated
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: by Jeff Hayes. And then there was another commentary track
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: which was older, It was recorded I believe around nineteen
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: ninety nine two thousand, which is a commentary track with
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: director Robert Hiltzick and Felssa Rose as well. So I
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: kind of pulled from both for our notes here. Of course,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the Sleepway Camp novelization written by B. R. Flynn, which
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: we're going to be discussing in depth, and then as
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: well as Sleepway Camp, making the movie and Reigniting the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Campfire by aforementioned Jeff Hayes. This is sort of the
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: ultimate making of the Sleepway Camp franchise. Book. It was
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: just revised believe last year or beginning of this year.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So we will make sure to have a link below
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: for anybody wants to have picked up anybody's interested. That
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: one kind of came like under the radar, Like I
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: accidentally stumbled across that book, so I'm happy I did.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: But let's take the plunge man. The book for the
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: most part is incredibly accurate obviously to the final movie.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: And I don't know which draft of the script this is,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: this novelization is pooling from, because as we're going to discuss,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: there are many, many, many differences here. Some choices I
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: think we're better made to suit the movie. Some you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: there's some that benefit the book, some benefit the movie,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: different ways to read into it. One of the kind
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: of big differences right here is that after the act
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: we actually have the scene of Peter and Aunt Martha
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that happens at the end of the movie when Peter
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: is standing there with the head wrap on out of
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: the hospital and she has a bag and pulls out
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: some women's clothing for him. One thing that's most interesting
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: in the book is the kind of questioning that Peter
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: goes through in.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: This scene, like the internal dialogue.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, the question of kind of what's happening.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And that's what's very different about the book compared to
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the movie is the book instantly establishes that Angela was Peter.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: So there was a brother and a sister. The sister
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: was killed in a voting accident in the beginning along
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: with the father, and now Peter, who is the son,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: lives has been sent to live with Aunt Martha. And
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: she clearly has always wanted a girl. I always wanted
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: a daughter, and now seems to be kind of imprinting
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: that on Peter, and it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Takes advantage of the opportunity.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely takes advantage. She even says like she even says like, oh,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: you'd be so happy to have a girl around, to
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: have a daughter running around, And that completely kind of
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: changes the perspective heading into the story because in the movie,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: that's the big end of reveal. Right, that's the most
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: infamous moment of sleep Away Camp. It's the very ending
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: reveal that Angela this whole entire time was a boy.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: First couple pages of the book, you already know.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the way that they structured it. I
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: thought was it was so interesting to hear, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: the thought as like questioning the decision, you know, is
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Aunt Martha, the way that she's kind of essentially pitching
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: this idea to her, you know, does does this work?
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Does this not work? I just thought it was it
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: was very interesting to get Angela's point of view, because
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: we really don't get that at all in the movie.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, yeah, she doesn't really reveal a
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: whole lot.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I love the questioning of like do I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: get to pick my own name? Love the name Penelope,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: but no assigned basically the name Angela, the name of
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: his dead sister.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Now, and there's only two weeks post accident. This is
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: no time at all, so so much has happened. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: another piece that I like here is after this scene,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: we cut to some years in the future when Angel's
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a little older, and there's a scene which she's at
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: a lem an aid stand outside of Aunt Martha's house
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and there is a little boy and his mom walking
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: across the street and the little boy shouts out like, oh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: there's a weird look at that weird looking girl over there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: And this establishes when we meet Ricky the cousin, Angel's cousin,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: and Ricky's instant defense of her instantly right away, And I.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Love that it's on par for his character even in
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: the movie. I mean, he's very like hot headed, defensive,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: you know, protective of his cousin. And I feel like
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: that the novelization spands on that even before they get
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: to camp.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the novel does a great job of establishing Ricky's
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: defensive relationship for Angela in the movie. You know, when
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: when they go to camp, it's not really it's more
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of like Ricky's just being a good cousin, making like
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: she gets through a cabin save you know, let me
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: interest look like, here's your introduction to the camp. He's
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: been there before, she hasn't. This establishes a whole different dynamic,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: though by how quickly he becomes defensive of her in
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: this one and.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: The reasons why.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like the little boy and his mom
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: is not a threat, this is not a life threatening situation.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: But he's really quick to jump into action, yeah, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: vocally defend her, which I love very very much. From here,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: you know, the book goes on the normal path we have,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: uh you know, we have the scene with Ricky and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Angela leaving for camp, the strange interaction with Aunt Martha.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: But around this is an interesting little thing that occurs
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: in the book, which is right before the scene with
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Aunt Martha in the house. Angela is out back in
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the yard and she is scared by a little snake
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: who comes out of the garden. And that's that's all
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: we find out. She gets scared of the snake, she
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: goes in to get ready for leave. We have the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: scene with Aunt Martha, which Aunt Martha's character is so
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: quirky in the in the movie. In the book, it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: just weird, Like she is so strange with the pauses,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the speaking away from them. It's very very strange.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: How do they explain it? Like she basically has to
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: like restart or something. It's like a computer.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeh.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: She like looks off and freezes for a second and
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: then all right.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So once once Angela and Ricky are sent off
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the camp, Aunt Martha makes her way around the house
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: into the backyard and back there she discovers the very
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: snake with his head crushed. Little foreshadowing. I was just
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: about to say that, yeah, little foreshadowing. It's so minor,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you know, and in the movie it would be kind
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: of it'd be like, okay, whatever, I can see why
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it isn't in the final movie, but you.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Would gloss over it probably.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's It's just one of those little things
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: that I think is a cool addition. And one thing
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I do want to say is the arrival to uh
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: do you say, is it aer whack camp Arawhack? Yeah, okay,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I was making sure my pronunciation was Okay. The arrival
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to camp Arowhack, when we're kind of introduced to Mel
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: and a bunch of our characters, including the kitchen staff.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: One of them is already played by Owen Hughes. The
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: other is Ben, played by Robert Earl Jones, the father
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: of James Earl Jones, and it's it's here's what's funny.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: On the commentary track with Robert and Felyssa Rose, they
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: begin talking about Owen Hughes, who played Artie, and how
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: incredible his audition was. Speaks about how quiet and calm
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: his nature was, and how he would just kind of
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: spend time when he wasn't shooting reading and it's so
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: funny to be considering his character is an absolute fucking
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: creep in this movie. He was trying to get dialed in.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: So gross dude, like his dialogue with the kids running
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: in and oh, it's really nasty man, really gross, like.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: It hasn't aged, well it died.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think something like that. I don't think
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: something like that begins well.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, so just a very you know, for
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: the most part, the movie is not as mean as
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: the book is.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: This is kind of like the gross part. The Already
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: as a character is grosser than anything else that happens
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: in this movie.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Well, and even they highlight Ben being a little bit
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: more aware or they they kind of expand on that
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: that he's had knowledge of what Already's been doing for
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: some time. And I thought that was interesting because I
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: don't think that they really elude it, Like they don't
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: allude to that at all in the movie. Yeah, not really,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know. I mean, that's just as bad.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: So gross dude. And in this moment too, I really
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: appreciate Felyssa Rose's input just on some of the characters
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and one thing that she talks about with the introduction
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: of Judy played by Karen Fields is just how wonderful
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: she was and how close of her friendship they have,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: and just a little future tease if you're listening to
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: this on Saturday, the day that that this releases, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: only a couple of days from now, we will be
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: releasing an interview with a lot of the crew or
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of the casts from Sleepway Camp, Cairen Fields
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: being one of them. M So make sure if you're
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: listening this the first weekend it's out, look forward to
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that episode coming soon. She was lovely as expected.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: We're aw awesome. That was a fun interview.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was incredible. This is one of my favorite
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: little additions to the book, which is the Campfire chapter,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: because this introduces something called the horned Starpent, which is
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a creature that lives in the lake at Camp Aarowak,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and it's described as quote unquote, so big nobody's ever seen.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Both ends and later on it said quote unquote that
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: it is a shape shifter that can look like a
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: girl in the water, lowering people until they're close enough
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: to be snatched up by the beast. You know a little,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: it's relevant, it's relevant.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I think the shape shifter aspect about it. I thought
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: that was interesting.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. The the luring aspect. It's the because
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: that's sort of the idea of a siren, right the
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: sirens song beautiful lures you in, and the siren is
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: actually an ugly, hideous creature that's going to kill you.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: And the reoccurring theme about the serpent. We get that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: beginning of the book with a snake. Now you get it,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: you know, brought up in a campfire tale. Yep.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something that kind of I don't know why
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: this didn't end up in the movie. I feel like
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: this would have been, you know, just kind of a
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: fun piece of lore, and you would have gotten that
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: campfire scene as well. So I'm kind of curious why
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: this was, if this was in the original, if this
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: was full for individual screenplay, why this was removed. But
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you know, besides horns serpents, one thing I do want
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: to talk about in the movie is this terrible, terrible
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: scene when Angela, who hasn't eaten in three days that
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: she's been a camp is brought into the kitchen to
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: try to find something to eat, and she's put under
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the guidance of Artie, aforementioned Artie, and she accompanies him
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: in the walk in pantry I think it is. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: think it's a pantry, and where he proceeds to begin
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: unbuttoning his pants before Ricky steps in.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: You know, trying to give her a different type of snack.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I guess, so gross, so gross. Please don't let this
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: distract you from the big ass pot that Artie is
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: cooking corn in, or boiling corn in.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: The water was too high, dude, it's so.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: That pot had to be five foot tall. That is
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: so tall he had to get on a bladder to
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: put salt in the.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: In the pot custom made for camp.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, dude? Is that? And then if you look
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: at the amount of corn that's next to him, that
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: amount of corn does not equal needing that much water
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: in the pot, So who knows? Director Robert Hiltsik said that, yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: they had to custom build the pot, so you couldn't
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: just go and buy this mammoth of a water pot. Unfortunately.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Oh man, bro, imagine pulling that out at the function
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the family's over. You're like, I'll get the water boiling.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: You just pull that guy out twenty four hours later.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Oh my, oh dude, I don't even think about how
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: long that would take for the water boil. Think about that. Yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Alarti's death scene this is uh. I want to talk
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: about how it's done in the movie because the the
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: incredible makeup effects done by Edward French in this movie
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: are stunning. But there's an interesting little change here in
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: the fate of Artie's character between the book and the movie.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: In the movie, he's alive. He's brought out of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: kitchen alive. In the book, he's dead, like absolutely dead,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: no question.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: The amount of detail that we get from that section,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I think this guy's better off de ed.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: So gross. And you know, a lot of the effects
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: of sleep Away Camp are aftermath. You know, there's not
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of dirt. Well, no, I lied. There are
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: some incredible kind of effects showing the direct action resulting
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: in the death of a character. But the aftermath moments
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: in this are exceptionally well done. There's three off the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: top of my head that are incredible, this being one
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: of them using the bladder effects to make the blisters
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: move in the skin bubble. It's very, very nasty.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: I can only imagine what the novelization like the amount
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: of detail that goes into that scene, how that would
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: have translated to film. Yeah, you know, he is describing
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: basically like as his eyes basically are like melted because
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: of the hot water. Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, if any character deserves this level of encruciating
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: that's fair, you know. And judging by the size of
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: that pot, I would probably say there was one hundred
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: gallons of boiling water. So it's a lot of water, man,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: It's a whole lot of water. Not many notes from
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Robert during the commentary track, good time to kind of
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: say these commentary tracks weren't exactly the most insightful, So
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I'm happy we've had the novel to expand our conversation
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: a lot. This would be a very short episode if
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: we were just using what we learned in the commentary,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: So very happy to have this. And then we have
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the introduction of if you listen to the upcoming sleep
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Away Camp Cast interview, Thomas Van Dell as Mike in
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the rec hall, he is on with Karen Fields, and well,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: there's a couple more that that I'll talk about as
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: we go on, but yeah, Thomas Vandell is on our
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: interview coming up. And one thing that I want to
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: talk about here, just in the movie with you is
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Karen Fields. Her performance as Judy is incredible, man. I
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And this is not post speaking with her excitement just
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: boosting it up in my brain. This is genuinely paying
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: attention to her reactions and her face. She is like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I've heard this character, this character described as she's a bitch, right,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that's the common you know, if you were to be like, oh,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Karen Fields as Judy the bitch, it would.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: She seals the show.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially given you know, I don't know, she
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: just is. So I can't imagine anyone else playing this
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: character because she owned the role and definitely one of
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: the more memorable characters that we get out of any
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: of the sleep Boy Camp films by far. Yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's It's funny how I actually kind of when
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: we were prepping for this and I was rewatching sleep
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Boy Camp, I remember Judy before I remembered Angela. Like Angela,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, of course I remember Angela, but I
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: was like, where's Judya, Like where.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: Iconic?
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Absolutely iconic, man. And in this scene in the in
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: the movie when when everyone's hanging out in the rec hall,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: we have the first convers or the kind of the
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: first real conversation between Ricky's friend Paul and Angela. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: at this point, you know, Angela hasn't spoken in three days.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: She probably still hasn't eaten after already's really disgusting offer.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: So Paul sits down with Angela and they're talking, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Judy is sitting across the way in between two guys
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: and her facial, just the performance in her face. I
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: don't need anybody to explain anything to me. All I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: need to do is see the face and the expression,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: and I know exactly what's going on in her head.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe not to the level that she's actually thinking, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: it's incredible. Man, this whole movie. She she didn't have
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: to speak a word, and I could have understood everything
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: that she was thinking at every moment by how well
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: her physical performances.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: There's so much sass, it's so.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Much it's out of control. What did you think of
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: if you first of all, when you were at sleep
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: away camp? Man, did you ever go skinny dipping with
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: eight dudes?
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Nope?
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: All right, I just wanted to.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Make Now that we've cleared that up.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: The book, we're getting to the lake scene with Kenny
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: and Leslie, and one thing I really love about the
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: commentary track and kind of the conversation with Tom Mandela
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: is quickly the fight in the rec hall between Mike
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and and Ricky and Ricky's big ass hat and how
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: they kind of riled up the extras and almost like
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: a real fight started. Jeff Hayes brings us up into
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: commentary track and Robert Hiltsick just kind of like laughs
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: it off and gives no input. So very happy for
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the you know, the the great insight by this man.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: During this commentary track, Kenny's death scene on the lake,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: he gets Leslie to go out into the lake with him.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: This is where we have the return of the horned Serpent.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: And what's interesting about this is in the book he
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: brings us back up and he asked Leslie something really interesting.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: He asks if it completely changes into a girl or
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: if just parts of it change And the exact quote
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: is does the head and part of the body turn
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: into a girl while the rest is a snake? And
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: this is kind of interesting, like how did you kind
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: of perceive this this dialogue here?
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: I mean again, I think it's foreshadowing to obviously where
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: the well we know more in the novel compared to
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: the movie. Yeah, but I think that this is just
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: further alluding to the secrets that's being kept by Angela,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: and obviously, you know, Ricky is pretty crucial to being
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: able to keep that secret. So I think that the
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: novel does a great job at adding some symbolism into like,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: let's just say, the script, for the sake of the novel.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: But I think there was a lot that they could
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: have taken from this and potentially used it with the
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: actual film, because we don't get any of this. I mean,
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: you get the climactic ending. The most probably notable part
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: of the entire film is that, you know, basically twist ending.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: But this I felt like it was. It's interesting, it's
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: thought provoking, you know, for the sake of the novel,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I think this is where you really kind of
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: think about the difference between the two mediums, which is
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: a book and reading versus visual For suspense reasons and
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: shock value, the approach to go to remove a lot
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: of the kind of what's the word I'm looking for,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: like to keep the mystery alive in the movie works
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: best for that medium, right, especially nineteen eighty four, people
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: just want to see a slasher film. And it plays
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: out exactly how it needs to twenty twenty five, forty
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: one years after this movie comes out to get this novelization.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: And if you're a fan of Sleepwy Camp, I think
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: you're gonna appreciate you don't need to know the mystery anymore.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: You know the mystery, you know who Angela is, You've
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: seen the movie. Now, how what's most important here is
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: the internal dialogue that's happening in characters and the perspectives
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: and the narration. That's what really brings this book up
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: as far as value to me, as far as what
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get out of it. And this is
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: just one of those things. And I remember reading this
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: and just kind of stopping for a second and just
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: thinking about it, thinking about its relation to the character
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: and what's happening in the story, and I just thought
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: it was interesting. And this leads to Kenny's death scene.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I'm seen Leslie escapes, he flips the boat, the canoe over,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: He's attacked under the canoe.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Poor guy was just trying to get it in.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: He was trying so hard. Man. This leads to another
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: incredible after math effect, when which first of all, the
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: lifeguard in the morning discovering the mess that these kids
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: have left by putting all of the chairs in the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: lake and the table in the lake, pissed off, throwing
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: shit out of the water.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Heated.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Man, dude, it's so funny. It's funny too because I
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: was like at thirty four, I remember being like, oh man,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: how annoying for those kids to do that, And then
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, I would have done that. I would
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: have done We have the discovery of Kenny's body, which
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: is in the canoe but it's on shore. It's so
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: incredibly gross, dude. The the aftermath, the you can tell
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that there's like a bit of like a water log,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: there's blistering, there's clearly the wounds from the attack. But
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: they just kind of top it off with the snake
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: coming out of his mouth. Oh it's really.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Because that's that's the sequence where he gets hit over
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: the back of the head with the ore, right, yeah,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: yeah yeah. And it's it's like multiple times where they
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: start describing like just how extensive you know, the the
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: damages from that, and uh yeah, that's uh one way
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: to describe it. That's for sure.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: It's really gross, man, really really gross. And from here
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I think what's interesting is that there is a chapter
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: of the book and this is you know when I
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: was talking about the spoiler warning earlier there there there's
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: pretty significant changes with things like this. Where in between
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: where the movie does the volleyball scene and the kind
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: of date between Paul and Angela going to the movie
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: at the rec hall, there's a chapter which we find
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Ben Robert L. Jones, who worked in the kitchen, and
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: he's in this small shack in the woods drinking a
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: bottle of whiskey and he's thinking tragically about the removal
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: of Kenny's body in the morning and what has happened
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to Art. And as he's in there drinking, a figure
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: begins approaching him. And the book does a really good
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: job at kind of creating this visual, which is that
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: the door on this shack is loose, so the wind
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: is able to kind of blow the door open, and
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: he's able to get glimpses of what's happening outside of
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: the door due to the door. It's it's super creepy,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: and he sees a figure out there and he is
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: killed by the bottle of whiskey. The bottle is picked
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: up and hits him as the head on the temple
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: and the bottle breaks when that happens, and then proceeds
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: to get his face slashed open with a broken shard
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: of the bottle before getting stabbed in the stomach and killed. Yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: this is a character where we don't know his fate
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in the movie, you know, we don't know what happens
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: to him.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: I did like this me too. It was I don't know.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: I think for this novelization, like the way that they
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: approached it with, you know, giving us a little bit
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: more to work with the film itself. It's a pretty
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: quick watch when you go back and revisit it, and
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I like that. You know, this opened the door for
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: being able to at least be able to get like
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: some definitive answers as to what happened with some of
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: these characters.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: It feels more the book feels much more complete because.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: You have that's a great way to put up You have.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: These characters, these these ends getting tied up, you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: and it just makes it feel more cohesive and more comprehensive.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: There's not just characters disappearing, because at this point in
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the book too, campers are disappearing because they're being picked
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: up by parents and mel is terribly afraid that he's
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: going to lose the camp. I mean he's already financially
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: not in a great place with the camp. Now kids
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: are dying on his watch. And that is explored in
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: this book much more than it is the movie. It's
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: brought up in the movie, but it's much much, much
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: deeper in the in this novelization. And I have to
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: come back to you because I've never been to sleep
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Boy Camp. I've been to sleepovers at my friend's house
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: a couple of times. But did you ever put shaving
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: cream in someone's hands before, and you know, take all
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: their face?
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: No? No, I mean the campfire, being down by a lake.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: I mean that all that is pretty spot on. You know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: having like you know, daily activities being in like like
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: a haul to eat, you know, meals together. That spot on.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: You know, you would have trying to think of like
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, they would have like certain assignments or you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: sports you could do during the day. But no, I
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: can't say that the you know, the shaving cream or
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: what did they do for the set? What is it? Is?
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: It? Sit up with Mozart, Yes, into a bare ass.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: There there was no urine balloons that were being thrown
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: at anybody.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very very funny stuff. And in the commentary track,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Robert Heltstick talks about, you know how the Practical Jokes
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: played a camp and where we're essentially based on his
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: camp experience, which was actually at the camp where this
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: was filmed. He actually stayed at he attended camp as
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: a kid in New York. I thought that, Yeah, very
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: very cool, very cool. In between this, there's a couple
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: of things that happen. You have the lakeside scene with Meg,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: who is one of the camp Is it a counselor
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: is that what? Is that what they're considered?
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I believe so.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course Meg being played by Catherine Cammy,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: who is in our Sleepaway Camp Cast interview episode. If
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: you we're gonna be waiting for that to come out.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: A couple of days after you're listening to this, you
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: have this lakeside scene where Angela is not participating and
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: talking to Paul on the side, and this is the
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: second time that this is happened to happen at the
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: volleyball moment, and Meg is such a bitch in the seat. Yeah, yeah, mean,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: this is so mean. And then we also have a
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: urine balloon that gets thrown at a at Angela. Does
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: the movie I can't remember. Does the movie specify that
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: it was a urine balloon or is that only in
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: the book.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: I think it was only in the book.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I don't.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: I don't remember that actually being a thing at all
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: in the movie.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought in the movie it was just a
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: water balloon. I took it as and recomen kissed because
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: they threw it at Angela of all people.
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: But didn't it get in her eyes too? Like, weren't
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: they describing that, like when when she gets hit with it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, like, I don't think there's enough
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: water in the world to get that out of my eyes.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's enough. There's enough other books I
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: will read to get.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: This out of I need a palate cleanser.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: It's so gross, man, so gross. But it gets paid
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: off because we get to Billy's death scene. Who Billy
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: was involved in the throwing of the pissed water balloon yep,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: and this was touted as Robert Hiltzik's favorite kill scene
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: in the movie. Robert decides to go to the bathroom
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: in the movie, he just simply goes to, you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: take the Browns to the super Bowl in the movie.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: In the book, he goes to do some other stuff,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: some more private things in the bathroom, and Angela drops
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: a beehive on his head. Now, mind you, Billy is
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: severely allergic to bees, which brings me to a random
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: side tangent, which is this reminds me of the guy
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: on TikTok, who is the very honest, overly helpful employee
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: that's been popping up where it shows him working at
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: like a target and a guy walks up with you know,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: an ant like ant trap yea, and the guy goes, hey, man,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: is this good for ants? Meaning which I would interpret
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: as is good to take care of ants? And the
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: guy goes, no, bad for ants. That's going to kill them.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Not not good for them, not good. And the guy's like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: so it is good for dants and he's like, no, no,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: that's gonna hurt him. That's really good. That's gonna kill them.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: He's being honest.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Just reminds me of that's random side tangent. But yeah,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: this is like this death is the funniest because I
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: know he gets a whole hive dropped on him, and
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: you know, he started getting stung. The hell never heard
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: of the Fortunately, unfortunately for him, there is no other
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: escape out of a toilet saw, you know, besides opening
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: the door. Didn't slide underneath or anything.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: He's stuck there.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Just saying this was really cool though, because they do
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: talk for a minute about how Ed French, the makeup
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: effects designer, shot the aftermath, which is the shot of
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: his face being covered in real bees, which they constructed
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: this glass case to actually shoot this this moment through
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: that way. Nobody else got stung, which I thought was
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: really cool, especially for kind of a mid budget slasher
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: film coming out of the early eighties. I thought that
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: was very very cool. Are you afraid of bees?
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: I used to be when I was younger, Like, I
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: wouldn't say afraid of them, but I think growing up,
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: I think I got sung like twelve times, not at once.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: You kept count I did Lea's traumatic.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let this happen again, and proceeds eleven
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: more times.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: It can't happen a thirteenth time.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: That's the one that's gonna get you.
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: You better keep an eye out. Yeah, man, when when
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: summer rolls around. Man, you better be extra cautious that
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: thirteenth beasting is probably he couldn't some damage, just saying.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: I don't want to end up like Billy.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't, Please don't end up like Billy. We have
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: a really interesting expansion here. This is really kind of
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: when the book, you know, really begins to own some
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: of the major differences from compared to the movie. Takes
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: a detour, does take a detour, and this detour has
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Ricky's POV of him actually watching Angela drop the beehive
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: onto Billy.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Now we've just stat we know for a fact that's
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Angela now because Ricky watched it. But we know that
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Ricky knows that Angela is doing this, and he doesn't
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: know about the other deaths or doesn't say that he does.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: This is the first time he's actually seen Angela commit this.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: You could say the other Angela.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. Well, this is where it really gets interesting because
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: this chapter ends with him saying to himself, quote unquote,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: now I really have to protect Angela, which I thought
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: was a great way to kind of end this. This
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: discovery that we've come across that Ricky has seen this.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: It takes on a new meaning.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Basically, it does. It does, but this goes even further
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: to have Ricky making a phone call to his mom,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Aunt Martha to Angela, asking about Grandpa Peter, and without
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: getting too much detail, we learned that Grandpa Peter at
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: some point was locked away. He was put into a
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: mental home, a mental facility, and we learned that he
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: was accused of killing a few people. And this is
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: kind of establishing a little bit of you know, history,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of like pas ass down of
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: something in the family. We don't really know. It's questioned
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: a couple of times where it's kind of like, is
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: this something that has been like passed down onto somebody
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: like Angela.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: It would explain a lot about Aunt Martha.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Every time she restarts. Grandpa Peter kills somebody, I swear.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: And over the course of the next couple of chapters
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: of the book, there's there's some other things that I
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: really liked, one being you know, mel kind of coming
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: to the understanding of the deaths are not accidents, and
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: he kind of leads on that he knows who the
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: killer is, or he suspects who the killer is. But
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: then we also get a brief moment where Angela talks
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: about the other Angela, which is essentially a side of
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: her that takes over and is much more powerful.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: And we get little like tidbits of the narration from
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: the other Angela, which I thought that that was a
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: really nice touch to the novel.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I completely agree, and I always like this idea because
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: this is something that I think historically for a long
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: time when it comes to killers, has been very well documented,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: which is that they kind of become a different person.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: There's another side that comes out. So this isn't this
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: isn't out of touch with reality. This is very much,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I think in the in the plane of a reasonable
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: kind of approach to explanation of what's happening with a character.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: Here, even when Ricky sees when Angela is putting the
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: beehive in for like Billy's death scene, doesn't he describe
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: as she kind of has like this glazed overlook to her,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: like this wide eye, glazed over look to her, where
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: she's just like kind of checked out when things are
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: going on, if I recall correctly.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for people listening, the best visual I can give
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: you is Angela's appearance at the end of the movie.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: During the reveal that final shot on the beach, that's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: kind of what's taking over her, except she's not just
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: standing there like she is on the beach.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: It's more the other Angela seems like it's more dominant,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: like almost animalistic.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because Angela talks about the overwhelming anger and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: reigned or anger and rage that she simply surrenders to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: while quote unquote angela other Angela grows to monstrous proportions.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: So this other Angela is incredibly powerful and takes over
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: without mercy, just full scares the shit out of shy
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: little Angela and just takes over this other Angela, which
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I thought was really cool. I really, I really dug
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: that that this reality character really did. And then there's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: this this great moment that I had to bring up,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: which is when Angela is meeting up with Paul, and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: there's a moment when when when Paul accidentally scares her,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: and the book says quote unquote bullies were scary, gender
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: and sexual identity were scary. Paul was not Paul.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Such a great little such a great little you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: just great.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: There's a little moments of uh, I'm sure you caught
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: it throughout the novel, Like there's a little moments of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: like dark comedy throughout.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: All over the place.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Here, Yeah, thought it was clever.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: What's funny is that this is coming from the perspective
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: of of Angela. So she said he bullies are scary.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: You know, she doesn't want to be bullied. She is
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: currently fighting a gender and sexual identity kind of going
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: through the midst of one that's scary to her. But
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Paul is not Paul is just Paul. I'm not scared
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: to Paul at all. There was an interesting commentary note
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: here just talking about the score and kind of the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: size of it. Jeff Hayes brings up how at this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: time synth was kind of driving most of the horror
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: musical score thanks to John Carpenter Harry man Fredini with
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the Friday thirteenth score, and how they purposely approached much
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: more of a classical band approach with this. Robert talking
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: about how a lot of influence from Bernard Harman. It's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: psycho most noted, are most recognizable. So I love that.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: I also have a note here just talking about I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: love the vibrancy of the greens during the after the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: flag scene in the woods when you know they come
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: across Judy, uh, you know, kind of coursing Paul into
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: a kiss in which Angela discovers and she's heartbroken and
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: she runs away, and I believe Ricky calls her a
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Does he call her a bitch?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: I think so?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something says something that that that time.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: There falls in line with her character.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Nacha, except in the book she's out
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: here grabbing Wiener and all kinds of stuff that doesn't
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: happen in the But one thing that I really like
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: here is something we've brought up earlier, which is we
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: we already know the dynamic, right, like we know the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: story of Angela. We know that Ricky has seen her
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: commit the murder to Billy, which leads to Mel's confrontation
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: with Ricky next to the lake. Much more tense to me,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: like personal and personal in the book, because you know,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: we we know Mel is suspicious that these are not accidents,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and he clearly has it out for Ricky because he
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: straight up just confronts him on the on the beach.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: While while this is going on, you have this confrontation
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: between Meg and Judy and Angela where Meg just picks
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: up Angela and throws her into the lake. In the movie,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: you might just think she's afraid of water, right, we
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: don't know any better. She doesn't want to get thrown
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: the water. Maybe she can't swim, who knows. In the book,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: we know why she doesn't want to get thrown in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: the water because there's a possibility that her fellow campers
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: and counselors are gonna the secret's going to be revealed.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's I feel like between the lake in the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: shower are like the two big moments where I feel
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: like that that's really There's a lot of focus that's
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: put on those moments, and I think it helps kind
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: of makes it a little bit more understandable from her perspective,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: like why she's so fearful of, you know, going through
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: that or being put in these tough positions.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, even you know earlier, like you like you
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: mentioned the shower, you know, even earlier, the brief moment
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: where she's talking about the anxiety of having to shower
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: at a different time than the other girls.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: Or body hair, like any of the body hair that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: might be shown. It's getting harder and harder to conceal.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's great, man, It's it's incredible, and I think,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: you know, only somebody like B. R. Flynn could bring
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: that level of attention and focus to it to really
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: make an impact, you know. I mean, it's something where
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: like you're thinking about and it brings a different level
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: of clarity to the character and kind of the anxieties
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: and the fears that the character is going in this
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: very public space. I mean, camp is not a place
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: of privacy. Nope, public showers and all kinds, you know what,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: So this is not the place to try to hide
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: something like this. So those anxieties and those fears and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: those worries kind of all play into the over arching
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: anxiety and fears of everything going on.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: This.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's weirder. I don't know if it's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: already being a weirdo or if it's Mel being romantically
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: involved with Meg. Mel is significantly older, probably three times age.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: Mel spent all summer finessing.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: He was messing something, and he invites Meg over for dinner.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Meg's like, Hey, I'm gonna go get a shower. It's hot,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: it's sneaky. I smell she's sweating from throwing Angela in
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: the water, So she's got to go get a shower,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: and we have the death of Meg at this moment.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: And one thing I want to bring up is my
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: love for the shot. So she Meg goes to the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: next cabin over to shower. So the cabin is empty,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: but she's in their showers and there's a shot when
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: the door opens and it's back lit, so you just
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: see this large shadow fill the cabin and it's just
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: somebody there standing holding a knife. Probably my favorite shot
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: of the movie.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: Can I just say during that scene it feels very Giallow.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Esque, European influenced. Yeah, yeah, very much love that shot. Well,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: one thing that we talked was the difference. This kill
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: scene is really gross. So she gets stabbed, she's mega showering.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: She gets stabbed through the shower wall into her back,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: and then the knife is literally dragged dragged through her
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: spine as she dies.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they go all out in the novel, Oh do.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: The book just goes way fucking crazy. She she gets
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: stabbed in the back and then when she attempts to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: get up, she stabs her own hand into the knife,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: which goes through the palm of her hand. She falls
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: into the shower curtain sees that it's Angela, and then
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Angela proceeds to stab her to death. In the commentary,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I like how Robert Hiltzik points out that Angela is
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: very environmentally conscious because after she kills Megan the shower,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: she turns the water off.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: Can't waste water.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't always water, man, you can't always water.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: And this leads to I think probably the nastiest moment
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: in the book, which is the death of the camp
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: the poor camping kids, so so nasty man, just so.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: Ruthless, basically like a slaughterhouse.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, these poor kids are just camping outside and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: here comes Angela, right because.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: Just like an animal.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: And Jeff Hayes kind of points out that and asks
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Robert like if he thinks this took it too far,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: because this is kind of a in this In this era,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like there were always that there was always
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: that one moment that really pushed it over, right, and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: it was kind of like going for that shock. This
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: is that moment.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Kids always fell off limits, right, I mean you see
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: that in a lot of Slashers. I never felt like,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: for the most part, you know, any of the films
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: that we've seen, they never really kind of go over
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: that line, and I thought that this was interesting that
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: they were, you know, it's definitely taken some big swings.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's taking some huge swings. It's really gross
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: and there's a limbs being chopped up, there's rolling heads.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: It's really really a gross a gross scene, man, really
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: really nasty. But when Jeff kind of brings up that
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: this has taken it too far, Robert kind of says, well,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: you know, this is the turning point of the movie,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: when shit it gets real.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely feels like everything gets styled up by
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: this point. I mean, things start going off the rails.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: And obviously we've got a couple uh, pretty impactful deaths
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: that we get as we start getting towards the end
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: of the movie. But I would have to say this
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: next one is pretty pretty important.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Well, my question to you, Steve is have you ever
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: used a curling iron before?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: You know, I can't say that I have, But if
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: I have to do it for beyond the Blood, I'm
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: willing to take the fall.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Oh no, don't blame beyond the blood, man.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: What it's from my hair? What are you talking about?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: This is a complicated bit to talk about here, because
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Judy is killed by getting stabbed in a very sensitive
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: place with a hot curling iron. Every time I've seen
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: this movie, I know ever thought it was Ricky. I
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: always thought it was Angela. There's a shot at the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: door where you see the silhouette and Jeff Hayes points
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: out that literally while watching the commentary, he's watching this
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: new restoration at the time, the blu ray, and he says, Oh,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: I never noticed that that was Ricky standing there. As
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: he said that, I was even questioning, I was like, wait,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: is that Ricky standing there? Because with the hair and so,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: they look so similar in facial structure. So in the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: book it's much more. In the movie she says, Oh
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: it's you, or what are you doing here? Judy says.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: In the book she actually says like Ricky, you know,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: like says him by name, and uh yeah. So he
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: he kills Judy with the curling iron in the very
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: sensitive area that I won't say. And the book's description
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: of the smell of hair as kind of like the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: cherry on top of it all. It's very very gross.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: It's also in this chapter or the following chapter where
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: we learned that Ricky is the one who killed Artie
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: because of what happened in a walkin.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: Now, did you ever feel like that that was ever
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: implied in the movie for either.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: No, because the movie just shows the hands and it
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: never you know, it's not like anything was done that
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Angela couldn't do. Right, you kind of like question that,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: and he's not really the Robert and Jeff talk about
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: the kind of Jeff kind of brings up the idea
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: of like, was there purposely read herrings and Robert was
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: kind of like, not really. He's like, I kind of
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: didn't really want people at this point to even suspect anybody,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: but you know, like anybody else besides who we were
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: trying to, which was clearly Angela.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: I think that that like that part of the novel,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's obviously a little bit more laid out
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: with that Ricky has some level of involvement with what's
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: going on at the camp. But you even go back
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: to when they were talking about, you know, their grandpa
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: Peter and how you know the history of our mental
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: illness runs in the family, you know, and then he's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: even questioning that at one point when he's on the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: phone with Aunt Martha, right he's questioning whether or not
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: that you know, they might be susceptible to this. And
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Ricky being involved in this entire situation,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: I thought that that was like pretty revealing.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you have now kind of all these pieces
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: coming together. Like he he killed Artie as getting back
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: at him for the almost assault on Angela in the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: walk in, and then Ben sees Ricky in the kitchen,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: so he's gotta he's got to tie off that loose end,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: so he kills Ben, poor Ben. And then at this point,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: you know, Judy is, as we've said, like pretty much
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: like a bitch. And you know, after seeing in the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Woods with Paul, you know, I think he's just tired
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: of it. He Ricky had a fling with her the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: summer before. She's now interested in in older men, more mature,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: so she kind of keeps pushing him off and pushing
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: him off. And then she's with his best friend in
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: the in the in the cabin grabbing Wieners. I'm not
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: gabbing him. Sorry. In the woods during she'd have been
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: captured the flag instead, she was capturing the flag staff.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: That was not pre written.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: I actually no, let me ask you though, do you
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: think that the like the the multiple passes that he
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: tries to make it Judy that starts way back, even
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: when they first get to camp. Do you think it's
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: a rejection that ultimately pushes him in this direction, or
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: do you think it's more being protective of Angela the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: way that he's shown that in the novel and then
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: obviously we see that in the movie as well.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's total experience. I mean, when you if
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: you're gonna look at it from the sense that he
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: is protecting her, you know, protection is from past current
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: in all future threats, and I'm pretty sure he sees
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: there's a little bit of maybe personal motivation for sure,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: and in going after Judy, but there's also kind of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: the you know, what, what does Judy have the ability
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: to do? And what is she going to do if
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: he's already being like this, you know, she's already making
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Ricky miserable and making Angela miserable, and I think, you know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: just kind of like enough's enough to Ricky. Maybe there's
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a snap in there, you know,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: where he's like, all right, fine, I'll go I'm gonna
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: go take care of this. Yeah, it's interesting. You know,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: it's very very interesting. And then you also have in
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: this moment too, Angela killing.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: Mike.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: So all this is going on at the same time
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: Ricky is sneaking into Judy's cabin. Angela is killing Mike.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: She rips off his flag staff. It's very very very graphic, uh,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: in the in the woods on the trail, and then
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: she goes to Judy's cabin to kill her. So Angela
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: was already gonna go take her out, and Judy's already dead.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: So shit, you know, like.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: Fucking Judy man, she would have been getting one way
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: or another.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she Well, this is the part of the book
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: that I really want to get you know, your your
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: opinion on because we have mel who finds Meg's body.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: He's all jazzed up in the movie. He's got that
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: nice green uh you know suit track suit thing go
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: or he's got like the green track jacket on.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: He's smacking man guys.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: Looking good. He finds Meg's body and this is just
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: too much for him. Now it's personal. You can kill
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: all the kids, you won you take out my very
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: young girlfriend. Done done. So he's pissed. So he goes
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: looking for Ricky. He finds Ricky in the woods and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: attacks him, beats the ship out of him, and uh
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: in the movie, Ricky's just left unconscious in the woods.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: In the book, uh, Mel crushes his trachea and he
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Ricky essentially just suffocates and dies in the woods.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: Full of hate, dude.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: So it's so gross, man, just it's so so violent
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: and vicious. The way that he does this.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: That's like militious, but that's not even just that's not
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: killing somebody. That's like an an agonizing way to go.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: It's terrible. It's a very personal, like said yes, yep,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: very personal assault, which is so funny because like Mel
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: is clearly just losing his mind and going overboard and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: all this because like he's so worried about losing his camp.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm gonna lose my camp. He's like, I'm
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: might as well kill a kid. You know, I'm already
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: this far down the hole. I'm not dispatch this this
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: child that's a that I'm that I'm watching.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: Now, would you say that you know, obviously we know
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: that Ricky in the movie, his face kind of left
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: a little bit more open ended to what happens past
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: that point. But in this. Did you feel like that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: you like this outcome more compared to the film. I mean,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: it's it's pretty bleak.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: It's bleak. It's I do. I do honestly because I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: like I prefer the the rougher ending. I prefer like
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: when there isn't a happy ending, because I think it's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: it's more real, it's more impactful that way. And I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: was very shocked when Ricky was killed. Yea. I did
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: not expect it to go to that point.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: Nor did I expect him as one of the killers.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: So in a way, it almost feels like it makes
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: a little bit more sense with his outcome. I think
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: if we had gotten that in the movie, it would
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: have been I don't know, I don't think it would
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: have really made a whole lot of sense.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well it really leads to, you know, really
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: a new sense of personal vengeance on Mel for his
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: death scene, because Angela finds Ricky's body and goes after
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Mel and finds him on the target practice. But I
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: don't know, I'm the range, the archery range, and I
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: will give credit to the movie. The I'm gonna point
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: the Jeff Hayes book, who breaks this down into immense
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: detail on how this effect was captured, because the effect
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: in the movie of the arrow going through Mel's neck
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: in camera is stunning. It's an incredible practical effect, up
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: there with one of the best of this time period.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: In the book, this death scene plays out very slow,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: very agonizing, over the course of nearly three pages. This
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: managed being shot with arrows, and it's really like you think,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: you think, like, okay, this is going on long enough,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: and then it keeps going. So the movie really shows
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: him a lot of a lot of mercy.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say this one, at least for Angela,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: feels like this one feels like the most personal obviously
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: given the context, or like her motive for going after Mill.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I I was really surprised when it was
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: drawn out for like basically three pages of this guy
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: get just going through it.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: It just kept going, just kept going to kind of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: get towards the end of this. This this this whole
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: ending is so much. It's so much that we kind
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: of just got to get into it. You have the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: beach scene between Angela and Paul, which plays out quite
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: different in the movie. She says, you know, let's go
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: swimming and begins to kind of get undressed, but we
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: never see anything from there until the finding her on
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: the beach with him in here, she actually reveals her
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: secret to him, and his reaction is very shocking. He's
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: very taken aback and very shocked. And I thought this
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: was an interesting kind of extension on the beach because
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: we already know we know the secret, so the book
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: can't hide that, like she's gonna jump into water. It's like, well,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: he's gonna see. We know he's gonna say. So for
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: her to just outright reveal it to him and him
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: the react that way, it adds more of an understanding
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: to why she kills him, because we don't really know
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: at that time in the movie. We just know she
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: taking on swimming and then he's dead.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's nothing that bridges those two scenes together
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: for us to have a better understanding of, like why
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: she would go to the links that she does with
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: killing Paul.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So this this does a much more a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: much better job at kind of explaining and making it
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: all makes sense clearly. And this is what's this is
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: what's nice is that everything added into the novelization isn't
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: just added for the sake of adding it. It all
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: ties everything together and it makes everything make more sense.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: When Susie and Ronnie show up on the beach. Mind you,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: before this, they found Mike's body and Ronnie actually like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: picks up or Ronnie actually picks up Mike's dick that's
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: been chopped off, just saying I had to add in there.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: They find her on the beach with the head of Paul. Right,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Paul's body is there. Angela's on the beach and she's
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: all out, she's all revealed now. And here comes Aunt
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: Martha just randomly shows up and Angela. She goes walking
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: down the beach. Angela runs over and gives her a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: hug and kind of grabs onto her, and then Angela
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: starts getting angry and, like I think the book says,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: convulsing against Aunt Martha, and then begins to blame her
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Aunt for quote unquote making her be someone she's not,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: kind of forcing her to take on the persona of
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: dead sister. Clearly this is Peter speaking take on the
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: persona of his dead sister. He says, again much preferred
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: the name Penelope. What a nice name. That's you know,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: just really blaming the ant for not letting her be
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: her own person. Yeah, and because of all of this
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: and this out of control spiral that's been happening this
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: whole movie, Angela proceeds to bite Aunt Martha on the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: throat and kind of savagely truth through her, like what
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: was it crowded artery? It's very very nasty.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: I will say as much as like I can appreciate
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: that they put this in the novel, I don't know
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: if I could see this playing out in the movie,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: because I think it would have almost like the iconic
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: moment where there's a feel and then it just basically
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: after that point cuts the credits. It would have been
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: like almost raising the bar even more. On top of that,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: if they had had Aunt Martha shown up at the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: very like the very end of the movie, I don't know.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: I like it for the sake of the novel. I
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: don't know. It would have felt kind of maybe a
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: little out of place for the movie.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: I think it would have worked if when Ronnie says,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: oh my god, she's a boy, and then all you
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: hear off rame is that's my daughter, and the camera
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: went pans over to my Aunt Martha coming down the beach.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: She just had to restart real quick. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is where officially the book kind of
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: comes to an end before the epilogue, and well, she's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: dragged off of her by the way. It takes five people,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: including a cop who has the worst mustache appliance I've
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. In the movie, she gets
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: pulled off, and there is a little page and a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: half epilogue that follows that just mentions that it's been
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: a couple of years she was locked up. She was
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: kind of given some more privileges due to her progress
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: and her I guess attitude and such, and because of this,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: she had been granted a little bit of a trip
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: with an orderly named Claude, and she proceeds to He
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: drives her to Camp Arowhak. She stabs them in the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: temple with an arrow. When he's dead on the ground,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: she says, excuse me, very very kind, and then she
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: talks about how many camps there are in the area,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: leading into Sleepwoy Camp too.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: I think now we just need the novelization for that.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Let's make it happen, man, Let's get a whole trilogy
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: and then return to sleep Boy Camp.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: Right, It's it, right, that's it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Give me your So what's interesting about this episode is
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: clearly we wanted to discuss this book greater. Now that
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: we're at the end of this episode, I will say,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: and I've mentioned it earlier, that this commentary track, both
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: of these commentary tracks are not great. Robert Hiltzik does
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: not give a lot of insight. You're gonna get more
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: insight out of, unfortunately, the Jeff Hayes book Reigniting the Campfire,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: which if you want to learn about sleep Boy Camp,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to point you in that direction all day,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: twenty four hours of the day, seven days a week,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: throughout six five days a year. So we really had
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: to really had to lean on the book and really
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: pull a lot from the book for this episode, which
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: I love. Give me your final thoughts on on B. R.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: Flynn's Sleepway Camp novelization.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: Sum it up for me, I thought that on the surface,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: I loved what this novel brought to the table. Expanded obviously,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: you know, I think both of us love the eighties
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: slasher but getting to be a little bit more entrenched
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: in camp airwhack. I just love what this book brought
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: to the table, like on that front, but more importantly
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: getting a glimpse into understanding someone that's going through essentially
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: like gender identity. You know, the confusion, the internal struggle
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: that's presented in this book. I thought was outstanding. And
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: if you're a fan of sleep Away Camp, I think
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: that this is like the definitive way to really experience
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: the story and everything that has to offer. What about you, man, Yeah,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: same dude.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I you know, I always talk about how I love
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: companions like I love when something accents something so it
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: makes it better. If you're a fan of sleep Away Camp,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: I think you need to read the novelization because it
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: it's And no point did I wish anything from the book,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: whether or not it's coming from B. R. Flynn or
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: whatever draft this was adapted from of the script. I
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: don't really wish that anything from the book was in
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: the movie because it would kind of ruin the shock
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: of the movie, which is the big iconic scene. It
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: would ruin it because you would know that's that's in
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: the book. Is not afraid to be open about that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: stuff right away, because odds are you're reading it, you
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: already know the movie, so you already know the big reveal.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: So there's no sense in trying to hide it. It's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: not nobody is going to pick up the Sleepway Camp
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: novelization at never seeing or knowing the movie, or at
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: least very few people will. So I think it was smart.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: I think B. R. Flynn's writing is incredible just from
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: the The kill scenes are incredibly graphic, very much bordering
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: near on like the extreme horror spectrum of writing. These
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: kill scenes deliver everything that you want in the book,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: but also like these insights that really I think can
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: only authentically come from a trans writer speaking on these
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: just gender identity crisis that our character is facing. Anybody else.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: I just I don't want to say it wouldn't be
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: because I don't want to. I don't want to, you know,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: assume that other writers couldn't do this very well. But
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: dealing with such sensitive personal information here, I think it
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: needed to come from the heart, and getting somebody like B. R.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: Flinn to do this was absolutely the best choice possible.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: I think it's perfect pairing given the subject matter, and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: I think if there was any other writer that was
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: maybe not one hundred percent, but I do think that
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: it would be tough to tackle this subject matter, and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: there might might have been a little bit of a disconnect.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so. I love this book. I think it's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: if you're a fan of Sleepy Camp, if you're a
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: fan of Slashers, I think you need to pick this up.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: I think this book makes the movie better.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, hundred percent. Yep.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: And you know, I can't thank in Psycho Apocalypse enough
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: for giving us this opportunity for you know, working with
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: us on this as well. This is something I want
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: to do a lot more of in the future of
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: the show, is cover things like this because nobody else
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: is Nobody's having these these grand discussions. There is not
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: gonna find You're not going to find a more comprehensive
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: discussion of this book on on anywhere you're gonna find
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: your podcasts.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: No, I think that this was I'm thankful that we
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: started with this novel, this film to tackle and I'm
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: excited to see what other opportunities we can, you know,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: like what's going to come in the near future as
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: far as like other books we can we can dive into.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. There's gonna be some links in
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: the bio to where you can get the book. I'm
• 1:34:48
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• 1:34:49
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• 1:34:53
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• 1:34:56
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• 1:34:59
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• 1:35:03
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• 1:35:06
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• 1:35:08
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• 1:35:10
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• 1:35:14
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• 1:35:18
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• 1:35:21
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• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: possible level that we can. So, you know, it's crazy
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: that we're that we're rounding out the first year of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: this show, that we're getting to that point. We only
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: have two episodes left for the year. We we have this.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, there's give listens. We have
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: the Sleepoy Camp cast reunion, which is with Thomas Van Dell,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Karen Fields and Catherine Cammy. That that's going to be
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: out a couple of days. If you're listening to this now,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: it's going to be available for everybody. You know, we
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: hope that you enjoy that. That was so much fun
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: for us. It's chaotic.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, it was a blast. It was, yes, absolutely chaotic,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: but organized chaos.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Right, so much fun, yeah, so much fun. We're already
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: at work for our Thanksgiving special, which we're going to
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: be discussing the commentary track for Eli Roth's Thanksgiving, so
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: that'll be available. Dude, I love that movie. I'm so
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: happy there's a.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: Yes same here.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: Uh so we're gonna be talking about that commentary track
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving. Make sure that you play it on the
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: communal you know, speaker, Let the aunt listen to it,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: the mom, the grandmom, grandpa, you know, flood us all
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: over your household. We can't wait to see you know
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: what you guys think of that? And then ending the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: year with misery, Rob Reiner's Misery based on the Stephen
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: King novel and that I think we're going to have
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Josh from Beyond the Grave media on with us for
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: that episode to end the end the first year. It
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: feels surreal.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: But where is the are gone?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: I have no idea, dude, I have no idea. It's crazy.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, genuinely, I'm flabberg acid at.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: The thought of We have a lot of exciting things
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: in the works, that's for sure.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Oh so much. Man. I'm very very very excited as always.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: You know, we greatly appreciate you guys. Thank you for
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: all the support and love in this first year of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: the show. It's it's been overwhelming, and you know, I
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: really want to just I want people to know that
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: both here and on Instagram, you know, we we this
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: is the stuff that we live for and that we love. Yeah,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: and this is a community that we love. And you know,
• 1:37:48
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• 1:37:52
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• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: So Steve, please let people know where they can find you.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: You guys can find me at after Hours video, I'm
• 1:38:08
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• 1:38:12
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• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: So, i am bearded film guy over on Instagram. Just
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: one quick reminder, please go into link below pick up
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: a copy of the Sleepway Camp novelization. If you can
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: support in Psycho Apocalypse, visit the website pick up some
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: other novelizations from them. Yeah, my favorite of theirs has
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: been re Animator. That's incredible.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: I still got to read that.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Re Animators awesome. They did a fantastic Fright Night novelization,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: as well as a kind of sequel book to Fright Night,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: a continuation of it, which is very good. There's so
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: much great stuff over on a site. They recently released
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: the screenplay for Return to Living Dead three, So a
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: lot of great stuff going on over in Psychopocalypse. Please
• 1:38:56
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• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: them with the outro?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah? And with that we leave Camp Arowhak behind.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: But the real horror doesn't stay at the lake. It
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: settles in the mind. Sleep Away Camp isn't just a slasher.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: It's a story about fractured identities, bury trauma, and the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: silence that festers when no one listens. The deeper we went,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: the clearer it became. The most unsettling thing here isn't
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: the violence. It's the way pain twists itself into something unrecognizable. B. R.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Flynn's novelization only intensifies that psychological spiral, letting us sit
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: inside the confusion, the isolation, and the emotional wounds. The
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: film only lets us glimpse, It forces us to feel
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: the weight of every secret, every memory, every moment that
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: shaped what the story becomes. Thank you for descending into
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: that mental darkness with us. As you step away from Arowhack,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: Remember some stories don't haunt the woods. They haunt the mind.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: Long after the summer ends. Return. We'll return soon with
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: more nightmares that echo inward. This has been beyond the blood.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: We'll see you guys next time.
• 1:40:05
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