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The Kenny Report | 30 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: President Donald Trump meets with China's Jijiping in South Korea.
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  Speaker 2: What will the readout be for the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer.
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  Speaker 2: Back in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Labour's economic mismanagement is under fire, with electricity prices pushing
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  Speaker 3: inflation up and dashing hopes of another interest rate cut.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll explain why now we need to be worried
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  Speaker 3: about our super savings.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC wastes your dollars.
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  Speaker 3: And half an hour of prime time to sprook for
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. I'll take that up with Mark Nicholson and
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  Speaker 3: Tim Blair, and I'll have Mark Robinson on sport and
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  Speaker 3: a very special musical treat too.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go away. Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: A momentous day in foreign policy with the meeting today
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  Speaker 3: in South Korea of the two most powerful leaders in
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  Speaker 3: the world US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping.
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  Speaker 4: President. She is a great leader of a great country,
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  Speaker 4: and I.
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  Speaker 5: Think we're going to have a fantastic relationship for a
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  Speaker 5: long period of time.
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  Speaker 2: I always believe that China's development.
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  Speaker 6: Goes hand in hand with your vision to make America
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  Speaker 6: great again.
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  Speaker 3: All very warm and frank for the Cameras, but some
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  Speaker 3: serious differences to sort out, particularly when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: tariffs and trade wars, not to mention security issues, especially
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  Speaker 3: China's roles supporting Russia in the Ukraine War. The outcomes
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  Speaker 3: so far are positive. That we know about a tariff
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  Speaker 3: cut for China on the back of a deal to
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  Speaker 3: share more of its rare earths and critical minerals, and
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  Speaker 3: also an agreement to cooperate on Ukraine and plans for
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump to visit China next year. I'll have more
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  Speaker 3: on this with former Foreignister Alexander Downer in just a moment,
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  Speaker 3: but I just want to go to the foursome praise
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  Speaker 3: we saw last night from President Trump directed to our
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  Speaker 3: Prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: Be fantastic leaders. We had a great meeting a week ago.
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  Speaker 5: You came all the way and now you came here.
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  Speaker 5: But this isn't quite as far this is this time,
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  Speaker 5: this time, I traveled far. But you've done a fantastic job.
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  Speaker 5: But we're working together on rare earths. But we're working
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  Speaker 5: on a lot of things together and it's all working
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  Speaker 5: out very well.
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  Speaker 2: You got to love that.
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  Speaker 3: Donja albot and campaign is Trump's best mate now. But
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  Speaker 3: I want to provide some context to here too, because
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  Speaker 3: the previous day, here's what Trump said to Japan's new
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  Speaker 3: prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: Everything I know from Shinzo I others, you will be
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  Speaker 4: one of the great prime ministers. I'd also like you
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  Speaker 4: congratulate you on being the first woman prime minister, and
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  Speaker 4: that's a big deal. Anytime you have any question, any doubt,
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  Speaker 4: anything you want, any favors you need, anything I can
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  Speaker 4: do to help Japan, we will be there. We are
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  Speaker 4: an LA at the strongest level.
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  Speaker 3: Look, pardon me for stating the obvious, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to downplay our prime minister's relationship here. It's a
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  Speaker 3: good thing that Albou is now on Trump's radar and
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  Speaker 3: winning praise from him.
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  Speaker 2: Well done, Prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: But the point here is that Trump's public bolstering of
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  Speaker 3: the relationship with Australia focusing on rare earths and critical
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  Speaker 3: memorials where China has a near monopoly, and his bolstering
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  Speaker 3: of the Japanese relationship, especially focusing on defense equipment, well
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  Speaker 3: it's all rather bluntly focused on China, isn't it. It's
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  Speaker 3: good diplomacy from Trump talking up his economic and strategic
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  Speaker 3: allies in the region, letting China know the US is
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  Speaker 3: deeply engaged in these alliance relationships in the region, effectively
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  Speaker 3: a block that counters China in East Asia while Trump
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  Speaker 3: is in the region and about to meet as he
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  Speaker 3: did today with President she It's smart diplomacy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a strong message to China.
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  Speaker 3: It shows that Trump gets it and that's good news
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  Speaker 3: for Australia too. Alberan Easy's job is to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that through Orcus and through rapidly implementing that Minerals deal,
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  Speaker 3: that he can make sure that Australia remains relevant and
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  Speaker 3: that the US remains engaged in our Indo Pacific region.
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  Speaker 3: In camera, the focus in question time was on economics
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  Speaker 3: and the cost of living and how Labour's chickens seem
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  Speaker 3: to be coming home to roost in the form of
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  Speaker 3: rising unemployment, rising inflation and the hope of further interest
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  Speaker 3: rate cuts being dashed.
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  Speaker 7: What is the Treasurer's explanation for both unemployment and inflation
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  Speaker 7: being well above the RBA's forecast, not unlike the stagflation
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  Speaker 7: from the nineteen seventies, which people nowadays are referring to
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  Speaker 7: as the gymflation effect.
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  Speaker 6: For those of you wondering why the Shadow Treasurer cuts
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  Speaker 6: such a comical, almost carturnish figure in this place, that's
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  Speaker 6: your answer, because we are working through serious economic challenges
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  Speaker 6: and serious economic opportunities and the best way to do
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  Speaker 6: that is in the considered, methodical, consultative way that defines
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  Speaker 6: this government.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all going swimmingly according to the Treasurer. And
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  Speaker 3: we get the same smugness from the Climate and Energy
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  Speaker 3: Minister Chris Bowen, who, despite retail power prices increasing by
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  Speaker 3: more than twenty percent over the past year, well he's
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  Speaker 3: crowing about a recent drop in wholesale prices.
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  Speaker 8: I see.
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  Speaker 9: This is good progress, with much more to do, with
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  Speaker 9: much more to do, and there is no coincidence. It
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  Speaker 9: is no coincidence that the quarterly report which showed a
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  Speaker 9: thirty eight percent reduction in wholesale prices, also shows the
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  Speaker 9: highest renewable penetration for that quarter in Australian history.
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  Speaker 2: Mister speaker, this is the sign of progress.
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  Speaker 3: This is either deluded or deliberately deceptive, or perhaps both.
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  Speaker 3: We all know that when the wind is blowing and
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  Speaker 3: the sun is shining, renewables provide cheap generation. But there
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  Speaker 3: are two reasons the end result to consumers doesn't reflect
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  Speaker 3: that low cost reasons why renewables actually push retail prices up. First,
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  Speaker 3: it's not always Sunday or winny or windy, so we
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  Speaker 3: have to always pay for backup generation and for expensive
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  Speaker 3: battery storage. So we need two systems now, two grids,
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  Speaker 3: and the price is dictated, of course by those high
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  Speaker 3: cost inputs that only get to supply power and make
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  Speaker 3: their money when renewables are not doing the job. And second,
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  Speaker 3: to get the renewable energy into the grid from all
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  Speaker 3: around the country, we need tens of thousands of kilometers
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  Speaker 3: of expensive transmission lines, and all that is built with
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  Speaker 3: a guaranteed rate of return. So all those costs and
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  Speaker 3: the profits are added to the wholesale price by the
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  Speaker 3: retailers before we get the electricity and before we get
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  Speaker 3: a bill to pay, So lower wholesale costs are meaningless,
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  Speaker 3: and Bowen knows it. What we pay is what matters,
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  Speaker 3: and what we pay is being pushed up by Labour's
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  Speaker 3: reckless renewables roll out the storage and transmission costs, and
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  Speaker 3: the way it deliberately undermines the business model for the
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  Speaker 3: fossil fueled generators, and all that is adding to costs,
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  Speaker 3: and all that is fueling inflation right across the economy.
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  Speaker 3: Labour's energy mismanagement is a huge input into its overall
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  Speaker 3: economic mismanagement.
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  Speaker 2: We all pay the price.
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  Speaker 3: Now superannuation, Compulsory superannuation is supposed to give you some comfort.
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  Speaker 3: More than ten percent of your wages are taken out
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  Speaker 3: of our control. It's our money forced out of our hands,
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  Speaker 3: and unless we redirect it, our money usually goes into
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  Speaker 3: the big industry superfunds, whose prime and I believe singular
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  Speaker 3: responsibility should be to invest that money as wisely as
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  Speaker 3: possible to deliver the best returns for our retirement savings.
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  Speaker 3: But as you know, the unions have a big say
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  Speaker 3: in the management of these funds, and with their labor mates,
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  Speaker 3: there's been a focus in the past on funding so
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  Speaker 3: called ethical and nation building investments, in other words, funding
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  Speaker 3: renewable energy and other infrastructure projects that help the government's
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  Speaker 3: goals and don't necessarily deliver the best returns for members. Well,
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  Speaker 3: fresh from his failure on the inflation numbers yesterday. Treasurer
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  Speaker 3: Jim Charmers last night foreshadowed new plans to change the
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  Speaker 3: rules govern super to get the super funds investing in
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  Speaker 3: the areas where his policies so far have failed to
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  Speaker 3: deliver the private investments we need.
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  Speaker 6: The goal is to refine and strengthen the performance test
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  Speaker 6: to make sure that it isn't creating unnecessary obstacles to investment,
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  Speaker 6: particularly in key areas like.
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  Speaker 2: Housing and energy.
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  Speaker 6: It's about better aligning and unlocking investment that also boosts
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  Speaker 6: productivity while maintaining a robust test and a primary focus
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  Speaker 6: on member returns.
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable, He's talking about using our superfunds to deliver what
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  Speaker 3: he needs to fulfill his plans for the economy.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention his political agenda.
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  Speaker 3: Not content with wasting our tax dollars and borrowing a
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  Speaker 3: trillion dollars of government debt that our taxes will need
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  Speaker 3: to repay, he now wants to get his hands on
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  Speaker 3: our super as well. Be afraid, be very afraid, and
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  Speaker 3: sure enough today before you could say, hang on a second,
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  Speaker 3: it's my money, the Aged Care Minister was out there too,
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  Speaker 3: suggesting the super funds could invest in the age care
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  Speaker 3: facilities that neither the government or the private sector are
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  Speaker 3: keeping up with.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hang on, it is our money.
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  Speaker 3: Government already forces us to hand it over, and given
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  Speaker 3: we have to hand it over, their duty should be
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  Speaker 3: to maximize the returns. Invest in shares, invest in commodities,
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  Speaker 3: invest in property, invest in cigarettes and weapons.
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  Speaker 2: For all I care, just maximize the returns. That's the deal. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: give us back our own money.
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  Speaker 3: Let us use our own money to invest in something
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  Speaker 3: for our own retirements, ourselves. Our super funds are not
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  Speaker 3: the plaything of politicians. Labor should not and must not
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  Speaker 3: use our money to chase its electoral dreams. Remember this
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  Speaker 3: is the mob who opposed the liberal policy of letting
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  Speaker 3: us access our own super to help buy a house,
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  Speaker 3: but they want to access our super to fund.
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  Speaker 2: Their housing plans.
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  Speaker 3: Believe me, their record on managing money and choosing investments
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  Speaker 3: doesn't auger well for the rest of us. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: imagine that the people who have given us the energy
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  Speaker 3: crisis and budget deficits as far as the eye can
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  Speaker 3: see now want to put their hands into our super
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  Speaker 3: savings and invest that on their chosen priorities. It is
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  Speaker 3: outrageous and just to give you an idea of how
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  Speaker 3: these major industry funds are run and how much confidence
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  Speaker 3: we can have in them. Remember our own Jonathan Lee
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  Speaker 3: shared some reporting with us last year about how the
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  Speaker 3: funds sometimes are slow and heartless when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: paying out the savings owed to members or their surviving partners.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, it's just been hard.
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  Speaker 11: It doesn't take much to see. Linda Chapman and Unice
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  Speaker 11: Brook are exhausted with anger and Greek.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry it does. It wears it down. It wears it down.
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  Speaker 2: You can't function for this.
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  Speaker 11: Both husbands passed away before Christmas. The men had set
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  Speaker 11: up accounts with Australian Super and name their wives as
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  Speaker 11: the beneficiaries of those accounts, but the process of retrieving
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  Speaker 11: the money has left the women with the firm belief
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  Speaker 11: that Australian Super strings along grieving widows like them to
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  Speaker 11: draw fees and maximize company profits.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, shocking cases. They're involving Australian Super. And this week
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  Speaker 3: another major fund, c BUS, which focuses on the construction
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  Speaker 3: sector and is chaired by Jim Charmer's former boss, the
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: former Treasurer and ALP national president Wayne swan Well. SeaBus
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  Speaker 3: is in the news now it's been forced to pay
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  Speaker 3: twenty three million dollars in penalties for failing to pay
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  Speaker 3: out their superannuation benefits in a timely fashion to people
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  Speaker 3: at times of great difficulty. Yeah, apart from the fine,
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  Speaker 3: SeaBus has to pay thirty two million dollars in compensation
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  Speaker 3: to those people who have suffered financial and other harm
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  Speaker 3: thanks to the superfund's conduct. Labour should be putting pressure
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  Speaker 3: on the super funds to do their day job properly,
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  Speaker 3: to make sure they run their businesses properly for the
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  Speaker 3: benefit of their members. That should be their only priority,
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  Speaker 3: and clearly it's not always happening. But instead of doing that,
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  Speaker 3: Jim Charmers and Labor are looking to treat your super
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  Speaker 3: savings as their investment slush fund.
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  Speaker 2: Be afraid, be very afraid.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go now to Australia's longest serving foreign Minister, Alexander
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  Speaker 3: Downer and joined us live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: That good to talk to you again, Alexander.
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  Speaker 3: You would have been watching events in South Korea today
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  Speaker 3: with some interest. It was a good thing to see
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  Speaker 3: President g and President Trump face to face.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some readout of what's come from that meeting.
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  Speaker 2: What's your take on it.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, it's hard to know precisely what came from it,
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  Speaker 12: but clearly before the meeting a deal was done, giving
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  Speaker 12: Americans some relief on China's rare earth policy. There's no
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  Speaker 12: doubt about that. There's some deal on fantanil as well,
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  Speaker 12: and America won't go ahead with quite such vigorous tariffs
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  Speaker 12: on China. But all of this was clearly worked out
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  Speaker 12: before the meeting, so I think they just more less
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  Speaker 12: signed off on that at the meeting, and it was
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  Speaker 12: a cordial and let's face it, quite successful meeting. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: I was pleased to see trade issues aside and the
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  Speaker 12: relief that will give to markets that those tensions will
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  Speaker 12: be reduced for the time being. But I was relieved
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  Speaker 12: to see that President Trump raise the issue of Ukraine
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  Speaker 12: with President she because China has to make more of
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  Speaker 12: an effort to help the Americans in bringing that war
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  Speaker 12: to an end than they have done so far.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, and there's sort of an oblique reference to them
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  Speaker 3: cooperating further on that issue.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know any detail.
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  Speaker 3: Yet, as you say, but just to have China engaged
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  Speaker 3: in that topic at the moment is a step forward surely.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean China has been providing a lot of well,
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  Speaker 12: of course, first and foremost diplomatic support to Russia, a
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  Speaker 12: diplomatic cover if you like, for Russia. China's indirectly being
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  Speaker 12: providing a lot of support to Russia. I mean, Russia,
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  Speaker 12: after all, wouldn't be able to finance the war if
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  Speaker 12: it wasn't for China buying so much oil from the Russians. So,
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  Speaker 12: you know, President Trump wants to put more pressure on
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  Speaker 12: China to stop them doing that, and to stop them
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  Speaker 12: supporting the Russians as vigorously as they have been. And
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  Speaker 12: you know, the Russians, sorry, the Chinese take the high ground,
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  Speaker 12: but they've done nothing to try to bring the war
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  Speaker 12: to an end, or that burden would appear to fall
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  Speaker 12: entirely on President Trump's shoulders, a burden that he's quite
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  Speaker 12: happy to bear.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently.
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  Speaker 3: Now we talked about the outcomes from this summit being
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  Speaker 3: some relaxation of the tariffs with China, apparently an agreement
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  Speaker 3: to free up some of the supplies of critical minerals
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  Speaker 3: and rare earths. This presumably won't to cut the deal
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  Speaker 3: Australias down on those same ingredients, those same resources, because
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  Speaker 3: America presumably would still be keen to see all of
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  Speaker 3: those projects go ahead so that it's not caught out
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  Speaker 3: in this near monopoly with China.
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  Speaker 12: Again, yes, exactly, No, the Americans will remain as keen
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  Speaker 12: as they were a week or two ago when President
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  Speaker 12: Trump met our Prime Minister Ron making sure they get
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  Speaker 12: new sources of supply of rare earths and more secure
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  Speaker 12: supply chains than they have from China. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 12: too heavily dependent on China. So this provides, this agreement
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  Speaker 12: provides some relief in terms of the immediate supply of
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  Speaker 12: rare earths, and no doubt that will lead to a
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  Speaker 12: bit of a temporary fall in the price of Australian
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  Speaker 12: rare earth companies on the market today this afternoon, But
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  Speaker 12: in the end importance will remain just as it was
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  Speaker 12: before this meeting.
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  Speaker 3: Now, what about the signs, the signals that you're reading then,
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  Speaker 3: just from the fact that Trump made this trip, he
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  Speaker 3: went to Asian he went to apec. American presidents haven't
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  Speaker 3: always turned up at the summits.
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  Speaker 2: So and he's flattered Australia.
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  Speaker 3: He's certainly bonded strongly with the new Prime Minister in Japan.
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  Speaker 3: This sends a pretty strong signal, doesn't it about American
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  Speaker 3: engagement in the East Asian region.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised. During his previous term
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  Speaker 12: as president he had quite a focus on Asia, and
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  Speaker 12: I think President Trump's view and the view of most
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  Speaker 12: people in his administration is that the Ukraine War should
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  Speaker 12: have been dealt with much more effectively by the Europeans
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  Speaker 12: than it was. And the Middle East, you know, that's
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  Speaker 12: starting to come together, albeit slowly, but it's starting to
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  Speaker 12: come together. For America, the most important priority is dealing
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  Speaker 12: with China and dealing with Asia. And it was never
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  Speaker 12: true that President Trump was an isolationist, would want to
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  Speaker 12: withdraw from America's allies, that America wouldn't be a reliable
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  Speaker 12: ally anymore. These were Democratic Party talking points which were
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  Speaker 12: taken up by a lot of elements, including our own
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  Speaker 12: elements of the international media. But they were never true.
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  Speaker 12: They were just talking points from his political opponents. He's
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  Speaker 12: demonstrated very clearly his commitment to the protection of career,
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  Speaker 12: to the alliance with Japan, good relations, and alliance.
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  Speaker 2: With the Philippines.
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  Speaker 12: So it's been a very productive visit by President Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Now you mentioned the Middle East. I want to get
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  Speaker 3: to your updated analysis on that. We've seen some disturbing
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: developments with as Raeli soldiers killed by Hummas in the
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  Speaker 3: last few days, Israel, of course retaliating against that and
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  Speaker 3: trying to.
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  Speaker 2: Take out more Hummus operatives.
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  Speaker 3: We've also seen I'm going to show some vision here
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  Speaker 3: warning to view as it is disturbing, but this is
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  Speaker 3: vision that Israel has taken of Hummas effectively taking bodies
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  Speaker 3: out of hiding of hostages, reburying them and then pretending
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  Speaker 3: to the Red Cross that they've been discovered.
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  Speaker 2: This must be.
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  Speaker 3: Testing the patients of Israel and the US because this
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  Speaker 3: is clearly contrary to the peace plan that was sealed
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  Speaker 3: only a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 12: Well, just in case people in the media and maybe
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  Speaker 12: the political left.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't understand this.
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  Speaker 12: Hummas is a truly wicked organization and of course that
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  Speaker 12: you can't trust anything they say or do. But on
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  Speaker 12: this occasion we have, if you like, on the side
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  Speaker 12: of the Americans and the Israelis, the Arabs, and not
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  Speaker 12: least people like the Saudis and the Kataris, and the
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  Speaker 12: Katari Prime Minister has been in the last twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 12: Very upbeat about how the peace process is going to unfold.
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: I mean, sure, Hamas are still very active on the
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: ground and they're fighting with their rivals within Gaza, but
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: the Kataris and the other Arabs seem very determined that
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: they will be neutralized and they won't be able to
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: run Gaza for much longer, and they seem very confident
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: that that deal will be done. Let's wait and see.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: But you know, given the history of what has happened
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: in that part of the world, I'm quite optimistic that
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: the Trump plan will slowly but surely come into being
• 21:59
  Speaker 12: and that we're will end up with a quite a
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: good peace settlement with Gaza being ministered presumably by technocrats
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: directed by the Palestinian authority out of Ramala, but that
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: will ease pressure on Israel.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Thanks for talking to us again, Alexander, appreciate it. Alexander
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: down to there for foreigners speaking to us live from Melbourne.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break. On the other side.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I've got a very special musical treat coming up for
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you and involves the jazz legend James Morrison. Let's take
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: a break from all the deerm and gloom around the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: place at the moment and insert a special treat for you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Ozzie jazz legend James Morrison is back on tour with
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the big band Liechtenstein coming to Australia. They're bringing to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: lifetimeless big band classics, the kind of musical act we
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: thought might have passed us by. Here's a little bit
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: of what they've got in store. Yeah, that's the taste
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of it. I'm delighted to say that James Morrison has joined.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Me in the studio again. Good to see you again, James.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: How does an Aussie trumpeter get hooked up with a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: bunch of big band fanatics from Lindenstein.
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: Oh, just from years of touring around Europe and they're
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: a well known band over there and have lots of
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: guests from around the world. And I've done a lot
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: of concerts and touring with them around Europe, made some
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: albums together. You know, when you know people for years,
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: you say you've got to come to Australia and they all,
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: that'd be great. I've been saying that for maybe two
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: decades and finally he said, let's do it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So here we go.
• 23:42
  Speaker 13: I'm bringing the biggest band from the littlest country.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's going to be wonderful.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: We're just talking off here, not just to see what
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: they make of Australia, but to see what Australians make
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 23:53
  Speaker 13: I'm really excited to present this fantastic European big band.
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: And I was saying, when was the last time a
• 23:58
  Speaker 13: European big band? It might be never come and these
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: guys are really looking forward to seeing this place.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: On the on the tour schedule, you have.
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: To say, now on this day we're flying from here
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: to here, And I thought, how do I tell them
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: how big this place is?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So I've done it in Lichtenstein's when we leave.
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: When we leave Sydney for Perth, I've put on the
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: on the other thing. Today we travel thirty seven Lichtensteins.
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: You've done the math, thirty seven thirty seven Lichtan styles
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: from Sydney to Perth.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Where would one Lichtenstein get us to about Golden or
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: no man, not one Lichtenstein had get us to Mossman.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Now tell us about the sort of music you're going
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to be playing.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be all of their European numbers
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: or do we get some American jazz? Is there anything
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: you're going to inject A bit of Aussie music?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a bit of everything. You're going to get a
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: real mixture.
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: The style of this big band, it's a little bit
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: different to some of the big bands having Australia. Is
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: they really like the Latin and the sort of funk
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: grous that sort of stuff. But the tunes convinced about
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: anything we're going to do really for me to change
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: people know, but in these other styles.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm excited to present this to the audience here.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to love it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Can you give us a bit of a taste of
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: something you'll be playing, or wake up the newsroom with you.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I can wake up then.
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: Instrument I'm not sure whether I can simulate a twenty
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: piece of big bad trumpet.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll be doing this on top of the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: big band.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I hope that sounds great to you at home. I'm
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: going to tell you right here in the studio is
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: crisp and clear and just spectacular.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Now give us the description. I think I'll ask you this.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Before, but I think you're out there as the lead
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: trumpet the maistro there. What's it like having that great
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: big band behind you, so many classy musicians and giving
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you all that power to riff off of.
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: It's a cliche, but it's true. It's greater than the
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: sum of its parts. Each extra player you add, you
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: just get more and mom by the time you've got
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: a big band, the sound behind you, the depth of
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: the sound, the colors you can make with those instruments,
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: it's just so rich. And to be the go out
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: of the front doing a thing. Yeah right, I'm really lucky.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing like it. And what do you think Australians
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: will make of it?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: You're going Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, sitting, you're chewing up Lichtenstein's
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: right across the Geah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we're coming down the coast too. We're doing Paul Macquarie,
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: We're doing We're going to Byron. I don't reckon.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: There's been a European big bed in Byron ever.
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: So you've got some hippie numbers, but absolutely, I actually have.
• 26:25
  Speaker 13: I've done an arrangement of a Carol King number that
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: I think is going to go off.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm not even going to say what it is.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You have to come see the show.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and tell us what else you got
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: planned because I know you're a busy man, you're recording,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: you're playing all around the world.
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, that tour starts in a few weeks, but
• 26:41
  Speaker 13: between now and then, I'm going to be filming in
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: Los Angeles. Then I'm doing a brass festival in Mexico.
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: During Austria, Switzerland's Germany, and I actually fly back into
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: Australia the same not as big bed lick.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Steins, so we're almost on the same flight. That's great.
• 26:58
  Speaker 13: I'm very busy and lots going on, lots of great
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: music to play, and I know there's a lot of
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: gloom and dirm so I just thought i'd throw that in.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of great music happening.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: It's nothing to soothe the soul like a bit of music.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So I think we'll put up on the screens the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: website addressed there, so you can check out where James
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Morrison and the big band Liechtenstein are playing, and you
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: can get onto the website there and book your tickets.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And I think we did this before.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Once changs, we'll have to try and do it again
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: because we're going to go to a break and the
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: director can put away the cues and the playoffs he's got.
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: Maybe you could just play us off to the break.
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: I'll play off to the break. You don't have to
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: tell me when to stop.
• 27:35
  Speaker 14: Thanks James Morrison, good to see you mate.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I want to get back to the economy and the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: cost of living or as one of one viewer sent
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: a message to me yesterday saying, we don't have a
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: cost of living crisis, we have a cost of government crisis.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Spot on.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Well, we heard a bit more from the Treasurer of
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers today as he was responding to the push
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: up in inflation after unemployment went up as well, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: of course the news from all the economists and commentators
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: around the country that this means we won't have an
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: interest rate cut next week, we may not have another
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: one for a year or more. Here's the Treasurer responding
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: in Parliament today, as.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: We are working through serious economic challenges and serious economic
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: opportunities and the best way to do that is in
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: the considered, methodical, consultative way that defines this government.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Let's catch up with economist Dmitri Burstein from Eminence Advisory.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Dmitri. Is this labour's
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: chickens coming home to roost.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, Chris. I mean, you know, the treasurer keeps saying,
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: how you know he inflation is half of what he inherited.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: But at what point does he actually accept ownership of
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: the economy and the mess that he and his colleagues
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: have created.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I mean he's well and truly into his second term here,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: so it's getting a bit tiresome hearing him blame the others,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: especially when so many of the figures that the previous
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: government was dealing with were COVID inspired. I mean, there's
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: a lot that I would criticize them for, but I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: mean mainly when it comes to additional spending and those
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: sorts of things, and unemployment.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Of course, it was the pandemic.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So there are two factors here that labor has direct
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: control over that I want to get your thoughts on. First,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: to what degree is the current upsurge in inflation linked
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: to the overall level of government spending. This spending is unprecedented,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and all the economic theory would tell us that when
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: governments are borrowing so much and spending so much, there
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: has to be an inflation consequence.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: It's only one side of the coin, Chris, What we're
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: witnessing is essentially COVID light policy. We've got industrial relations,
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: energy policy, regulation, green tape, red tape, asphyxiating the economy
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: and choking supply. But on the other hand, it's government
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: spending and otherwise central planning through their you know, bailouts
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: and subsidies of various industries that is stimulating demands. So
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: you know, you're at the same time compressing supply and
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: on the other hand, you know expanding demand. Inflation is
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: the inevitable outcome.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned energy. That was the other fact that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I was going to say.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Energy price is going up over twenty percent over the year.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Of course that price flows through to everything. Surely that's
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: a major driver of the inflation problem.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: Well for sure. I mean, you know, what are the
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: key ingredients of production, labor, capital, and energy. Energy washes
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: through everything. But if you have a look at the
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: actual ABS numbers, you know, yes, energy is there. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: some of the other big ticket, big ticket items where
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: inflation has been up alcohol and tobacco five point nine percent,
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: that's all tax driven housing, that's immigration, education five point
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: three percent, health four point two percent. You know what,
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: you know, what do all these things have in common.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: Government is all over them.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: The only areas where you know inflation has gone pricing
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: has gone down is where government has doesn't touch it
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: very much.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: This is the problem. Everything comes up.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: They see government as a solution housing and since government
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: spending and government bureaucracy, we see this in energy constant interference.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And I suppose this is the other question, because you
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: really pricked my mind a moment back when you started
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: talking about productivity. And this is where the inaction is
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: a problem, right, the overly regulated labor market, the red
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: tape and the planning controls and the green tape, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: all this slows down investment and slows down and then
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: of its productivity.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Right, there's nothing happening in that area, absolutely.
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: And you know, the Treasurer had his jamboree a couple
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: of months ago, and nothing his productivity jamboree, and nothing's
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: come out of it other than tax increase proposals, including
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: a cash flow cash flow tax, which will essentially be
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: nothing more than a company tax increase, which will drive
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: even more activity overseas well.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Just give me a final thought on this issue that
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: really worries me, and that is we have compulsory Super.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: We all have to surrender a certain percentage of our
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: income that goes into SUPER. And these big industry funds
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: are dominated by the unions, and now the government wants
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: to direct that spending into its chosen investments. That is
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: absolutely immoral, apart from being economically stupid, isn't it, because
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: they won't make good decisions.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's our money and that money.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Needs to be invested for the good of our members,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: for the benefit of our super savings, not for the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: government's political agenda, of.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Course, Chris.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: But it's already happening before our very eyes. It's happening
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: in the future fund. Some three hundred billion dollars of
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: taxpayers money is already being directed into national priorities, you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: green energy, housing and whatnot. So, yes, we're on the
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: road to Buenos Aires at the moment. This is exactly
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: what happened in Argentina when the Argentinian government confiscated the
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: private pension savings of Argentinians in two thousand and seven.
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: Australia is doing it is just in a different it's
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: in a different way. It's you know, salami through salami slices.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, such a worry. Thanks for joining us. Dimitri. I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Dmitri burst on.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: There from Eminence Advisory Independent Economists.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Let's go to sport now.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I'll catch up as we do every Thursday with The
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Herald Sun's former chief footy writer Mark Robinson. And Mark,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: great to talk to you again, and normally we love
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: a bit of frivolity and fun in sport.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: We've got to start off with.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The sporting news that devastated everybody around the nation today
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: with the tragic news of that seventeen year old cricketer
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne. Ben Austen is his name, died in hospital
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: overnight after being hitting it in the head and neck
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: in the practice nets in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Just frightening and tragic for all the sporting world.
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well said you know, Sport's supposed to be the
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: light in the darkness. I've just been listening to the
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: interview then got a living crime politics darkness. Sport's supposed
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: to be this light that gives everyone joy in the
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: cricket world, especially his morning. The death of this young man,
• 34:47
  Speaker 15: I mean, seventeen going off to play have a crack
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: in the nets. Thousands upon thousands of young men and
• 34:55
  Speaker 15: women do this every summer across Australia and this young man,
• 35:00
  Speaker 15: his own goes off with his mates and he doesn't
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: come home from a cricket next scenario which you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 15: he's passed away. And I mean it's clearly it's clearly
• 35:15
  Speaker 15: devastating for the family, but for sport loving countries that
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: we are, and cricket probably our national sport, to see
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: a young man die doing what.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: He loved is it's unreality.
• 35:31
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Look and there'll be you know, hundreds of thousands of
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: us out there on the weekend with our own kids
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: playing cricket. I'm standing as coach myself for the under
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: fifteens on Sunday and you know this will be high
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: up in everyone's mind. There's no doubt that we'll all
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: make reference to this and make sure that everybody's underscored
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the safety, the safety equipment that's so commonplace in cricket.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Now here's the Chair of Cricket Australia, Mike Baird.
• 35:56
  Speaker 17: There's hard to put words on it. What we want
• 35:59
  Speaker 17: to say is that we are doing everything we can
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: to support the family, the club and all those impacted
• 36:07
  Speaker 17: by this cragic news. Clearly there are things that we
• 36:11
  Speaker 17: have to learn from this, but right now we are
• 36:14
  Speaker 17: concerned about the family and trying to support them.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: It's a dangerous game, Robert, and that's why all these
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: modern safety equipment is so important.
• 36:23
  Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, supports world has changed. I was really, I
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: won't say the word pleased. I felt incredible, a man
• 36:33
  Speaker 15: of warmth that the Phil Hughes family have reliefs the
• 36:36
  Speaker 15: statement today, we all know what happened to Phil using
• 36:39
  Speaker 15: it's been eleven years ago when he was hit in
• 36:42
  Speaker 15: the head and shocked all the nation when he passed away,
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: and living years on, we've got this, got this young
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: fella and what we will see is a review of
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: safety equipment et cetera, et cetera into cricket and all sports.
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: But you know, this is a freakish accident and you
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: can't even begin to think, mate about have a family's feeling.
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: You can't begin to think of his teammates were there
• 37:10
  Speaker 15: in the net, yeah, doing what they always do every
• 37:14
  Speaker 15: summer to see they may go down. I mean, I
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: think the Cricket Australia have been enormous in their support
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: for the family.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, and of course when it comes to the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: cricket and what everybody's looking forward to the summer is
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the ashes Steve Steve Smith is peeled off a century
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: just in time. Of course, it's sad that Pat Cummins
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: won't make the first Test, but it's almost another step
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: in the complete rehabilitation of Steve Smith, isn't that he
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: steps in as the captain.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And assumes that role. And I think the whole cricketing world.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Just wish as well for him, don't they.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It's very terrific captain.
• 37:55
  Speaker 15: He's scoring average as his captain of Australia. I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: it's about twelve or thirteen above. He's normal batting overage
• 38:01
  Speaker 15: and a couple of years ago, as this discussion with
• 38:04
  Speaker 15: Steve Smith was the second Australia second best batsman behind.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Donald Bradmanan.
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: For a while there, I was thinking that no batsman
• 38:13
  Speaker 15: will be better than Greg Chappel. Then Ricky Ponting come
• 38:15
  Speaker 15: along and I thought there'd be no better batsman than
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: Ricky Ponting.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Who was just a jet.
• 38:20
  Speaker 15: And suddenly Steve Smith has. He didn't emerge, he's now
• 38:25
  Speaker 15: an absolute veteran, but he has been a mainstay and
• 38:29
  Speaker 15: now he will captain Australia while Pat Cummins is out
• 38:33
  Speaker 15: and he doesn't need his legacy enhanced. But if he
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: has a fantastic Ashes series, Steve Smith's iconic status will
• 38:45
  Speaker 15: only grow.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Sure, we'll it's sure, we'll can't wait to see it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: We were going to talk about the AFL changing the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: footy rules, but we were out of time and I
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: wish they'd just leave alone. We need fewer rules, not more.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: But we'll get back to that another time. Robert, thanks
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: for joining us Robber there on sport I want. It's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: a sad day right around the country when it comes
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: to cricketing, and that sad passing in Melbourne. On the
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: other side of the break, Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: will be here to join me.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things we'll talk about is the ABC.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: You waste half an hour of prime time to spruit
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: You won't believe it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's sort it all out now with Tim Blair
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  Speaker 3: from the Daily Telegraph on Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios.
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  Speaker 3: A good afternoon to both of you, gentlemen. You're no
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: doubt both be pleased that Donald Trump and Anthony Alberizi,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: who would have picked this one.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Are now the best of mates? Does that give you
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of confidence for the future, mark mate.
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  Speaker 16: I don't want to sound like I've got alban easy
• 39:49
  Speaker 16: derangement syndrome, but yeah, you're right. I definitely didn't expect
• 39:53
  Speaker 16: this to go off the way it has. But I'm
• 39:57
  Speaker 16: very glad that it's not adversarial. But some tells me
• 40:00
  Speaker 16: we're getting rolled in this deal. I have no idea
• 40:02
  Speaker 16: what's going on with the deal. I haven't looked into it,
• 40:05
  Speaker 16: but knowing how transactional Trump is, we must be.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Getting steamrolled in this deal because he.
• 40:11
  Speaker 16: Is so he's so buttering up. He's used the President
• 40:14
  Speaker 16: She method, which is just call him a handsome boy,
• 40:16
  Speaker 16: watch him smile with that little grin, and he'll just
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: let you do whatever you want to him. It's the
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: She method. He knows what he's doing. He's a deal
• 40:24
  Speaker 16: maker and he knows what he's doing.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Do you reckon tim that when Albo is told by
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Trump that he's a great man and the great prime minister,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: he believes him.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It's affirming for him.
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: It's diffitical knock back praise at the best of times.
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: But I think in Alva's circumstances. He's from a background
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: where you don't get a lot of praise within the
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: Labor Party, and we know that, we know that he's
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: held out of his fair share of brick bats in
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: his time. I think that the most fascinating part of
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: this is how many people in labor are all of
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: a sudden quite fine with Donald Trump. Having described me
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: with this botanic, evil figure. Now he's like, he's just
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: Elbow's pal, and it's all sweet, Well, this is what
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: they didn't play acting before, or.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: What this is What kills me about it though, right
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: because the left are still feral about Trump. He is
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the devil incarnate. They do have Trump derangement syndromes. Yet,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: so I reckon that the next federal election, the Liberal
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Party ads just should run this grab.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: They should run run Trump here.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: It is be fantastic leaders. We had a great meeting
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: a week ago. You came all the way, and now
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: you came here. But this isn't quite as far this
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: is this time, this time, I traveled far. But you've
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: done a fantastic job. But we're working together on rare earths.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: But we're working on a lot of things together. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: it's all working out very well.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, vote elbow. He's a Trump's mate. He didn't get
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: the Epstein's Island, but he's Trump's mate.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Mark Yeah man.
• 41:54
  Speaker 16: Yeah, And honestly, you could just roll it and you
• 41:55
  Speaker 16: can roll the aid where it was like I believe
• 41:58
  Speaker 16: I think Albo literally said it. Trump is a threat
• 42:01
  Speaker 16: to democracy. I'm pretty sure that's at that he said.
• 42:03
  Speaker 16: And then this, I mean, clinking glasses and having a
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: good time with a threat to democracy.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Were you're lying there or you're lying now? Which one
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: is it? Yeah? I think Rudd said he was a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: threat to democracy. I think I.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Think our both said that Trump scares the f out
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: of him. But he doesn't look too scared at the moment,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: or maybe he was. Maybe he was trembling under the table. Hey,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: speaking of being scared, No one needs to be scared
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne anymore, because our mate Nicholas Reese, the Lord Mayor,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: has rolled out the police that he promised us, well,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the sort of quasi police that he promised us a
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: month ago. On this program. They've called them Reese's Police
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: have a look.
• 42:45
  Speaker 18: They have the power to enforce local laws. This covers
• 42:49
  Speaker 18: things like antisocial behavior, aggressive behavior, consumption of alcohol or
• 42:54
  Speaker 18: drugs in a public place. They can give directions, they
• 42:58
  Speaker 18: can make citizens around. We will do what is needed
• 43:01
  Speaker 18: to make Melbourne safe and welcoming for everyone.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Now, Tim, you're a various stute observer of politics, this
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: looks to me like Nicholas Theese's push to be the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: next Premier of Victoria. He's a labor lord mayor putting
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: on his own police force because obviously just sint to
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Alan under state labor government can't do the job.
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: Yes, the Reese Stasi. Could you imagine though, there's a
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: huge chance, there's a huge opportunity for this to go
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: terribly terribly wrong. I mean imagine there might be a
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: future YouTube clips or items on Instagram of various alcohos
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: just enjoying themselves in a Melbourne, sunny Melbourne afternoon when
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: they're approached by these Reese police saying put the cans away, boys,
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: where respuad And they're like, how you honestly have They're
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: going to arrest people from each social behavior on the
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: authority of Nicholas. I'd love to see that this is
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: going to be.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I wonder when Nicholas pops up on Paul Murray live
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: as he does every now and then.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: In fact, he pops on this program every now and then.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Mark, I wonder whether you bring the Rice Police with
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: him as his personal bodyguards like.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Some rap star.
• 44:15
  Speaker 16: Maybe, and they're getting paid two million bucks.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: That's the total thing for the year.
• 44:20
  Speaker 16: It's two million bucks, which I think is one hundred
• 44:22
  Speaker 16: and eighty thousand dollars a person, which is not bad,
• 44:25
  Speaker 16: not bad for a little you know, basically people that
• 44:27
  Speaker 16: are pretending to be police officers and basically Cause playing
• 44:30
  Speaker 16: his cops walking around giving people directions and sorting out
• 44:33
  Speaker 16: anti social behavior. And again it thank you, Nicholas reach.
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: We needed that, we needed something to be done. But
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: it really is on the state government be doing something.
• 44:42
  Speaker 16: It's a bit more than anti social behavior that we've
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: got to worry about. There was a gaming conference last
• 44:47
  Speaker 16: weekend where there was a bunch of people dressed up
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: as stormtroopers. This is no different, to be honest, it's
• 44:51
  Speaker 16: just costing us two million bucks. But come on, let's go,
• 44:54
  Speaker 16: state government.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Let's go.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: If anything demonstrates that the state government's lost control.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Of the law and lorder is this is it. That's
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: what Nicholas Reese has done. As the labor Lord Mayor.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: He's shown how.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Hopeless the state government is speaking about hopeless. I got
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: to share something on the ABC. Now we all know
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: about Sarah Ferguson host the seven thirty Show.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: On the ABC.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: A few years ago, she did a three part series,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I think it was a million dollar series, her and
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: her husband helping to produce it, traveling around America with
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the whole Trump was installed by Russia, the whole conspiracy
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: that's completely debunked. Three hours of absolute fake news from
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: the ABC that you can still watch on their website.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: All this Trump derangement syndrome continues. Just the other week
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: they did a whole four corners on Trump making money
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: out of the presidency. Well, on the weekend, they flew
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the ABC at our tax dollars, flew Sarah Ferguson all
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the way to London so she could sit down with
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and sproof her new book.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Have a look. Here's where they got together. N meet
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: you again to.
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: Thank you, thank you, Hi everyone to you all.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Good four hours sleep. I'm fine. This trip is it
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: just takes a day. It's so jolly.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I loved it, Tim the way she got the excuse
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: in right at the start, I haven't had enough sleep,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: just in case I sound like an idiot.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: But Tim, I was told about this interview, so I
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: thought I'd better flick over and have a look on
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I view the whole half hour.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: The seven point thirty Report spent the whole half hour
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: of the most boring, unnewsworthy, unchallenging chat with Kamala Harris,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: the most hopeless vice president in history, trying to talk
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: about the prospects she might be president one day.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: And I liked how Harris, when she was talking about
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: how she only had for her as sleep, made this
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: little drinky drinking gesture, what.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: The hell's going on with that?
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah, sort of status indicating from Sarah Ferguson saying nice
• 46:59
  Speaker 10: to me, to you again, like, oh yeah, we go
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: way back, give me a break. But things got a
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: bit hostile too, and I noticed a lot of people
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: in the a lot of defenders of the ABC are saying, look,
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: you know, the ABC gives it just as hard to
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: the Democrat sidence to the Republicans.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But there's a bit of a.
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: Difference with that because their attitude towards Donald Trump is
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: you are so evil you're a terrible evil man and
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: their attitude towards Kamala Harris. And it's in this interview
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: is why didn't you stop that terrible evil man? So
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: it's not exactly the same sort of thing, is it?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: About as tough as a god is Why won't you
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: be as critical as you were in your book? Why
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: won't you say on camera what you've written in your book?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Kamala says, buy the book mark. I reckon Australian taxpayers
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: deserve a free copy of the book each day.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: They we don't have to pay for this rubbish. I reckon.
• 47:52
  Speaker 16: Well, to be honest, mate, I actually think this is
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: worth every penny that we paid. I enjoyed the interview thoroughly.
• 47:57
  Speaker 16: It was so much fun. Kamala Harris thought it was
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: going to be a little home game. She thought it
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: was going to be nice and easy. She could just
• 48:03
  Speaker 16: roll in on four hours sleep after a big night
• 48:05
  Speaker 16: out the night before, and she was just going to
• 48:07
  Speaker 16: roll in and.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: She shanked it. She shanked it. It was so bad
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: she couldn't do it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: And she even she basically disclosed that she didn't write
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: the book. It made it so clear that she didn't
• 48:17
  Speaker 16: even write the book. Sarah Ferguson was quoting and she
• 48:20
  Speaker 16: was like, what, Na, That's.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Not in the book. It was so good. It was everybody.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: She's got nothing to says.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: She won't criticize Biden because she can't, and all she's
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: got is more trumped arrangement syndrome, embarrassing stuff. Thanks for
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: joining us, gentlemen, are always good to catch up with
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: you on a Thursday afternoon.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair there and Mark Nicholson. That's all the time
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: we got for you tonight. I'll see you next week.