Latest / Brian Thomas / Keegan Corcoran
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- 0:01Speaker 1: 8-0-6 here at 55KRC Detox Station.
- 0:04Speaker 2: Brian Thomas asking an outlaw question, and knowing the answer
- 0:06Speaker 2: to it, is this a day ending in Y?
- 0:09Speaker 1: Of course it is.
- 0:09Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday, everybody. Andy, that means it's, well, today you
- 0:12Speaker 2: can justify drinking. Days ending in Y are enough. And
- 0:16Speaker 2: in studio to provide us with some wine suggestions for
- 0:18Speaker 2: this time of year, I guess we're doing, I don't know,
- 0:20Speaker 2: Labor Day wine selections. I like to call him our
- 0:23Speaker 2: resident sommelier, Keegan Corcoran from Ignition Wines. He's a wholesale distributor,
- 0:27Speaker 2: so if you're someone out there that wants to buy
- 0:29Speaker 2: in bulk, excuse me, Ignitionwines.com, right?
- 0:32Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Got that right. Keegan, it's always a pleasure
- 0:35Speaker 1: to see you, man. Thanks for having me, Brian.
- 0:36Speaker 2: And a reminder to my listeners who are like, who
- 0:37Speaker 2: in the hell is Keegan Corcoran? For about, what, almost
- 0:39Speaker 2: 20 years you were the sommelier for all of the
- 0:42Speaker 2: Ruby restaurants?
- 0:43Speaker 1: Yeah, about 20 years. You left on good terms. Makes
- 0:45Speaker 1: me sound old.
- 0:46Speaker 2: And you're so, you left on such good terms that
- 0:48Speaker 2: Ruby does buy wine from you.
- 0:50Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Good, I'm glad.
- 0:51Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff. That's wonderful. So there's, I
- 0:54Speaker 2: think that credibility established completely. He's the second tier sommelier,
- 0:57Speaker 2: the highest in the world. How many are there in
- 1:00Speaker 2: the highest, like 400 total?
- 1:02Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like 280-something now. Yeah, I think a couple
- 1:07Speaker 3: just passed recently, but that's the next level you've got
- 1:09Speaker 3: to reach.
- 1:09Speaker 1: That's the next one.
- 1:10Speaker 4: All right.
- 1:10Speaker 2: Well, try and try. People do that test over and
- 1:12Speaker 2: over again.
- 1:13Speaker 1: I'm going to do it, man. I know you are.
- 1:15Speaker 2: Listen, I have ultimate faith and confidence in you, my friend.
- 1:18Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
- 1:18Speaker 2: But someday you'll be there, and for those interested in
- 1:21Speaker 2: finding out how difficult it is, just go ahead and
- 1:22Speaker 2: try to find some of the sample questions you might
- 1:24Speaker 2: be faced on that, and you too will have your
- 1:26Speaker 2: eyes glazed over in disbelief that anyone could know that much.
- 1:29Speaker 2: You brought some folks here. It's a whole room full
- 1:31Speaker 2: of folks here from the Caesaree Winery in Italy. I
- 1:37Speaker 2: have Mike Lindell. Actually, Mike Lindell is with Specialty Wine
- 1:41Speaker 2: and Spirits. Yvonne is from Venice, Italy. She actually lives there,
- 1:45Speaker 2: and I told her I had like 9 million questions
- 1:46Speaker 2: to know what it's like about living in Venice. But
- 1:48Speaker 2: she's the export manager for Caesaree Vineyards. And the— Mardereau, have
- 1:54Speaker 2: I got that?
- 1:54Speaker 4: Yes.
- 1:55Speaker 2: Mardereau, you are the president?
- 1:57Speaker 1: Yes.
- 1:58Speaker 2: And you brought your daughter with. What's your daughter? It's Lucrezia.
- 2:03Speaker 2: Have I got that right? Do you have a title
- 2:04Speaker 2: yet at the winery? Are you like the.
- 2:09Speaker 1: Okay. I don't speak Italian. Yeah, I think there's a
- 2:11Speaker 1: language barrier. It is a beautiful language.
- 2:16Speaker 2: You're still in school, right? Okay, we'll give you time.
- 2:19Speaker 2: We've got a job waiting for you. Dad's going to
- 2:21Speaker 2: see that you're set. So you brought with you... Let
- 2:25Speaker 2: me see that one. Like, if we were really allowed
- 2:28Speaker 2: to drink in the 55 KRC Morning Studio, we would
- 2:31Speaker 2: be enjoying an amazing, I mean absolutely amazing, Prosecco. It's
- 2:35Speaker 2: called Terra Vizina. Have I got that right?
- 2:39Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm doing okay there. Yeah, there you go.
- 2:41Speaker 2: T-E-R-R-A, Vizina, V-I-Z-I-N-A. And, of course, Keegan, you do distribute
- 2:47Speaker 2: this one.
- 2:47Speaker 1: I do, yeah. In Ohio. In Ohio, I do. You
- 2:50Speaker 1: would bring a bottle of wine that you don't distribute. No,
- 2:52Speaker 1: this is what we got. Sometimes. You know, I play
- 2:54Speaker 1: nice in the sandbox. I can support other wines.
- 2:56Speaker 2: All right, okay, when I taste Prosecco, I mean, my
- 2:58Speaker 2: first default, and I think a lot of people probably
- 3:00Speaker 2: feel this way, well, this is like champagne. It's light,
- 3:03Speaker 2: it's bubbly, but it's not champagne.
- 3:04Speaker 1: It's Prosecco. It's very similar.
- 3:05Speaker 3: The production method is a little different, but Prosecco is
- 3:10Speaker 3: usually very light, refreshing, crisp, easy to drink, and complements
- 3:16Speaker 3: a variety of cuisine, and then also a variety of
- 3:19Speaker 3: social situations, too. So you mentioned Labor Day earlier. I
- 3:22Speaker 3: think this is one of those, and also the benefit
- 3:25Speaker 3: about Prosecco is is usually it doesn't break the bank.
- 3:27Speaker 3: You know, it's a good cost to quality ratio, you know,
- 3:32Speaker 3: skewed in the consumer's favor, which, you know, I always support. But,
- 3:34Speaker 3: you know, it's just one of those things that you
- 3:37Speaker 3: just pull it out on a Wednesday, hypothetically.
- 3:39Speaker 1: Yeah. And enjoy it at 8 o'clock in the morning. Right, exactly.
- 3:44Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's, what kind of, what's the alcohol volume?
- 3:47Speaker 2: ABV or something like this?
- 3:48Speaker 3: 11?
- 3:48Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 3:48Speaker 2: 11.
- 3:49Speaker 1: See, that's very reasonable. Yeah.
- 3:54Speaker 2: So you're not going to get all liquored up on
- 3:55Speaker 2: it unless you start pounding on multiple bottles of it.
- 3:57Speaker 1: Which last night we had a few bottles. Did you really?
- 4:00Speaker 1: We had a couple. Shocking. Yes, we did.
- 4:03Speaker 2: Well, now, very crisp, very refreshing, really wonderful finish. If
- 4:08Speaker 2: I actually was able to taste it, those are the
- 4:10Speaker 2: things I would probably say about it.
- 4:12Speaker 1: Hypothetically. On a really hot day, I can see this
- 4:15Speaker 1: being the perfect drink. Oh, yeah.
- 4:16Speaker 2: Especially when it's ice cold, like the bottle that I'm
- 4:18Speaker 2: holding right now, although not drinking.
- 4:21Speaker 1: What do you eat with it? Really anything.
- 4:24Speaker 3: That's the lovely thing, too, about sparkling wines in general.
- 4:28Speaker 3: They're very, very food flexible. So, you know, hypothetically, you
- 4:31Speaker 3: could have it even inclusive of something like steak or
- 4:34Speaker 3: something like that. But, you know, maybe at that point
- 4:36Speaker 3: you want a nice glass of red wine. But salads, seafood,
- 4:39Speaker 3: you know, even pastries at the end of a meal, too. So, like,
- 4:43Speaker 3: you can– I've done, you know, wine pairings, particularly, like,
- 4:47Speaker 3: with entirely sparkling wines. And it's really neat to kind
- 4:50Speaker 3: of go along because– You know, it's very, very flexible.
- 4:53Speaker 2: Well, to me, there's nothing like a tasting because you
- 4:57Speaker 2: get the opportunity to compare them next to each other.
- 5:00Speaker 2: Because when I have wine, I'm always going back to like,
- 5:03Speaker 2: first off, remember which ones I've actually had. I struggle
- 5:06Speaker 2: with that. But also which ones I liked better than
- 5:09Speaker 2: the other ones. Like, oh, this is really good. I
- 5:11Speaker 2: remember we had this other bottle of Prosecco about three
- 5:13Speaker 2: months ago, and I thought that was really good. But
- 5:15Speaker 2: if I only had it here to taste it next
- 5:16Speaker 2: to each other, I could figure out which one's better,
- 5:18Speaker 2: at least based on what I'm having that day.
- 5:20Speaker 3: I find that taking pictures with your phone is like
- 5:22Speaker 3: the only way for me to remember, because especially once
- 5:25Speaker 3: you've had a few glasses in and everything starts to
- 5:27Speaker 3: get a little fuzzy.
- 5:27Speaker 2: Yeah, it does happen that way. I'm not a picture-taking guy.
- 5:31Speaker 1: Okay, fine.
- 5:32Speaker 2: Listen, never. The last thing on my mind is taking
- 5:35Speaker 2: a picture of literally anything. I could be the greatest
- 5:37Speaker 2: family reunion event, and I'd be the last person there
- 5:40Speaker 2: who would ever think about pulling out his phone to
- 5:42Speaker 2: take a picture. But what is the price point? You
- 5:45Speaker 2: said this is often more affordable, Prosecco is versus Champagne. So,
- 5:50Speaker 2: but champagne is all over the board. Well, there's champagne,
- 5:55Speaker 2: which is French, definitionally speaking.
- 5:58Speaker 1: Correct.
- 5:58Speaker 2: Then there's California sparkling wines, right, which also can be
- 6:03Speaker 2: extraordinarily expensive. People like to lump them into the same
- 6:05Speaker 2: category as champagne, but they are made the same way, right?
- 6:07Speaker 2: French champagne, California champagne.
- 6:09Speaker 3: Yeah, officially it's called the method Champenoise or the champagne method.
- 6:14Speaker 3: So usually it's multiple fermentations, the last one taking place
- 6:17Speaker 3: in the bottle. It's just a different process. Well, how
- 6:21Speaker 3: is this made, then, by comparison?
- 6:23Speaker 1: Usually, so charmat, which is usually injection of CO2. Oh. Yeah.
- 6:30Speaker 3: Okay.
- 6:30Speaker 2: You can talk. Let's hear from the expert here.
- 6:33Speaker 1: No, no.
- 6:34Speaker 4: He's saying everything already. He knows everything.
- 6:38Speaker 1: I don't know everything. I don't know everything.
- 6:40Speaker 2: It's scary, isn't it?
- 6:40Speaker 4: No, I don't. I know.
- 6:41Speaker 1: It's your winery, and he probably knows more about it. Anyway,
- 6:44Speaker 1: can I ask you, Yvonne, about the winery? How big
- 6:47Speaker 1: is it? How many acres or.
- 6:49Speaker 4: Well, we have currently 150 hectares of wineyards, mainly grown Glera,
- 6:57Speaker 4: which is the grape of Prosecco, and Pinot Grigio. These
- 7:01Speaker 4: are the two main products we offer. And then we
- 7:05Speaker 4: have red wines like Cabernet, Merlot, but the main production
- 7:11Speaker 4: is focused on Prosecco and Pinot Grigio.
- 7:15Speaker 2: Well, in terms of relative size, I guess, how many
- 7:17Speaker 2: cases the Casseret vinegar?
- 7:20Speaker 4: In terms of bottles, because cases could be six-bottle cases,
- 7:25Speaker 4: 12-bottle cases. We are around 1 million bottles. This year,
- 7:32Speaker 4: we will probably reach 1.2 million bottles.
- 7:36Speaker 2: Is that going to be a record year for you?
- 7:38Speaker 4: Pardon me? Yes, it's a record.
- 7:39Speaker 2: Congratulations.
- 7:39Speaker 4: We are increasing every year, Mauro. Our success is.
- 7:44Speaker 2: That's wonderful.
- 7:45Speaker 4: Yes. Mostly domestic... Okay, 50% is domestic market, 50% is
- 7:52Speaker 4: international market. We are distributed in 18 countries nowadays, from
- 7:59Speaker 4: India to United States to Canada to Africa. China, Europe,
- 8:07Speaker 4: throughout Europe. So we are quite proud of our products
- 8:14Speaker 4: and our brands.
- 8:15Speaker 2: Well, that comes from demand, and the demand is generated
- 8:17Speaker 2: because people want what you're making. It's just the great relationships.
- 8:21Speaker 2: You're making a great wine and more people want it.
- 8:22Speaker 2: I'm just kind of curious, is the grape collection, is
- 8:28Speaker 2: that all still done by hand?
- 8:29Speaker 1: I just see these.
- 8:31Speaker 2: How many people do you need to harvest the grapes?
- 8:33Speaker 4: Well, we have until three years, until the plants are
- 8:42Speaker 4: reaching three years, the harvest is made by hand. After
- 8:46Speaker 4: from three years on, it's automatic. And we have teams
- 8:50Speaker 4: of people coming for harvest during harvest time to do
- 8:57Speaker 4: the harvest.
- 8:59Speaker 1: I understand. Now, I have to ask this question. I
- 9:02Speaker 1: guess you may have gotten the news.
- 9:03Speaker 2: We're currently embroiled in a trade battle with Canada, so 50%
- 9:07Speaker 2: tariffs on Canadian goods. Were your wines subject to, or
- 9:10Speaker 2: are they still subject to tariffs right now?
- 9:13Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't understand.
- 9:14Speaker 1: Tariffs?
- 9:15Speaker 2: Import tariffs.
- 9:16Speaker 1: Taxes. Yeah, currently, yeah. Currently, yes.
- 9:20Speaker 4: We are sharing these costs with 3%. We take care
- 9:24Speaker 4: of that, and 3% is.
- 9:29Speaker 4: At importer charge, so we try to share, and the
- 9:35Speaker 4: remaining is at customer charge. So we try to share.
- 9:40Speaker 1: Spreading the pain around. Yes, yes.
- 9:43Speaker 2: See, that just interrupts your profit margins, and I'm all
- 9:46Speaker 2: about big profit margins.
- 9:47Speaker 4: But most important is that since the duties came in,
- 9:52Speaker 4: we have increased our business in the United States. Sounds strange,
- 9:57Speaker 4: but it is like that.
- 9:58Speaker 1: That is counterintuitive. Yeah.
- 10:00Speaker 3: Good.
- 10:01Speaker 2: I'm glad it worked out to your benefit so we
- 10:03Speaker 2: can drink more of this wonderful Prosecco. We've got one
- 10:06Speaker 2: more to talk about. We're going to take a quick
- 10:07Speaker 2: break here. We've got another Prosecco, and this one's a
- 10:09Speaker 2: different hue. It's Prosecco Milsimato. Have I got that right?
- 10:15Speaker 2: It's a rosé, extra dry Prosecco. We'll learn about that
- 10:19Speaker 2: one when we return. with Keegan Corcoran and the folks
- 10:22Speaker 2: from KCRA Winery.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Don't go away. It's 816 right now, 55KRC, the talk station.
- 10:26Speaker 1: This is 55KRC, an iHeartRadio station. 55KRC, the talk station.
- 10:39Speaker 2: She's with KCRA Wine.
- 10:43Speaker 1: She's giving me an update.
- 10:43Speaker 2: She's the export manager for these wonderful wines we're enjoying
- 10:46Speaker 2: here in a wildly successful winery. Kay Suray is, and
- 10:50Speaker 2: congratulations on your growth, Yvonne. She was talking about living
- 10:54Speaker 2: in Venice. And, of course, the ignorant American that I am,
- 10:56Speaker 2: I asked her if she had to get around by
- 10:58Speaker 2: gondola all the time.
- 10:59Speaker 1: No, no, no. Those are for tourists.
- 11:02Speaker 2: Real people who actually live in the heart of Venice
- 11:04Speaker 2: and must travel by waterway use real boats with motors
- 11:07Speaker 2: and get there more efficiently and effectively, right?
- 11:09Speaker 1: Is there an Uber.
- 11:09Speaker 2: Version of that that's there?
- 11:11Speaker 1: No.
- 11:11Speaker 2: No?
- 11:11Speaker 1: Okay.
- 11:12Speaker 2: Coming to a theater near you, Yvonne. All right, we've
- 11:14Speaker 2: been talking about Prosecco. The first one was the Brut.
- 11:19Speaker 2: The Brut, which is dry.
- 11:21Speaker 1: Correct. Is that what Brut means? Yes.
- 11:23Speaker 2: Well, going back to the whole comparison of Prosecco to Champagne,
- 11:26Speaker 2: I know Champagne's more labor-intensive to create and to bottle,
- 11:32Speaker 2: but you can find, can you not? I'm sort of
- 11:34Speaker 2: asking from a taste perspective. I mean, there's Sec, there's Demi-Sec,
- 11:38Speaker 2: there's Brut. There's all kinds of ranges of sweetness to
- 11:41Speaker 2: dryness with Champagne.
- 11:42Speaker 1: Correct.
- 11:42Speaker 2: So isn't there like a champagne that sort of mirrors
- 11:45Speaker 2: the taste of Prosecco? Or am I missing a palate
- 11:48Speaker 2: component like I always do with you, brother?
- 11:51Speaker 4: No.
- 11:52Speaker 1: Well, yes. Well, first off, loaded question. Oh, I didn't
- 11:56Speaker 1: realize that.
- 11:57Speaker 3: Well, and I'll try not to get too in the
- 11:59Speaker 3: weeds on this. So as far as like flavor-wise, there's
- 12:03Speaker 3: absolutely a difference between champagne and Prosecco. Because of the
- 12:07Speaker 3: other steps and the other steps of fermentation with champagne,
- 12:10Speaker 3: usually the There's a yeastier, more kind of like bready,
- 12:13Speaker 3: croissant-y kind of like component to those wines. The other
- 12:17Speaker 3: side of it you asked about was kind of a
- 12:19Speaker 3: definition as far as like sweetness is concerned. So sec, demi-sec, brute,
- 12:23Speaker 3: you know, extra brute, dry, et cetera. All those are
- 12:25Speaker 3: different categories of the amount of sugar effectively that remains
- 12:30Speaker 3: in the bottle. So with a sparkling wine like this,
- 12:34Speaker 3: typically the acidity is very high. And then depending upon
- 12:36Speaker 3: how much sugar is in the final product, you're looking at,
- 12:41Speaker 3: it's just a different kind of textural component on the wine.
- 12:45Speaker 3: So it could either be like very, if it's like
- 12:47Speaker 3: low in sugar, high in acid, then it's very kind
- 12:50Speaker 3: of like bracing, super, super crisp. Whereas you could have like,
- 12:54Speaker 3: it's a Dew, D-O-U-X, for example. It's got a palatable
- 12:59Speaker 3: sweetness that you can detect there. So when I say
- 13:02Speaker 3: like there's sugar in the wine, it's not necessarily something
- 13:04Speaker 3: to where it tastes sweet. It's just something that- Like
- 13:07Speaker 3: a dessert wine.
- 13:07Speaker 1: Correct.
- 13:08Speaker 3: It's just something that balances out the flavor. So to
- 13:11Speaker 3: most people, inclusive of myself, it's something like a Brut,
- 13:14Speaker 3: for example. It tastes dry, but there's still some kind
- 13:18Speaker 3: of sugar in there.
- 13:19Speaker 1: A little hint. Correct, yeah. And we're talking about, was
- 13:22Speaker 1: that nine grams?
- 13:23Speaker 4: Nine grams of sugar.
- 13:24Speaker 1: Nine grams per liter, right? Oh, that's nothing.
- 13:27Speaker 2: Yes.
- 13:27Speaker 1: Right.
- 13:28Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very sugar conscious in my diet, and I
- 13:32Speaker 2: try to keep all sugars out.
- 13:33Speaker 1: At least then I can. I know that I'm going
- 13:34Speaker 1: to get some in there anyway. Good idea.
- 13:36Speaker 2: So this would be an ideal thing considering the low
- 13:38Speaker 2: sugar volume. Yes, Brut.
- 13:40Speaker 1: And the difference.
- 13:41Speaker 2: Between the Prosecco Milsimato Rose Extra Dry, the grape, compared
- 13:50Speaker 2: to the other one.
- 13:51Speaker 1: The primary grape, I can let you talk about this.
- 13:53Speaker 2: No, come on.
- 13:54Speaker 1: You're in the United States. Use some microphone time. You
- 13:58Speaker 1: have a beautiful accent. It's so good.
- 14:00Speaker 4: He has such a high knowledge that it's a pleasure
- 14:04Speaker 4: to listen to Keegan-Milk. Okay, here the grape is 85% glera, 15%
- 14:10Speaker 4: pinot nero.
- 14:12Speaker 3: Okay.
- 14:13Speaker 4: Okay, here we have got 13 grams of sugar.
- 14:19Speaker 2: Yes.
- 14:19Speaker 1: More than the last one.
- 14:20Speaker 2: Yeah, it does rather, if I tasted it, it would
- 14:24Speaker 2: taste sweeter. Yeah.
- 14:26Speaker 1: Yes. Hypothetically. Caught myself there, didn't I?
- 14:28Speaker 4: Yes.
- 14:29Speaker 1: Yes.
- 14:30Speaker 4: For a rosé, it's more online to have a little
- 14:33Speaker 4: bit sugar. We also offer brut, millesimato rosé brut, with
- 14:38Speaker 4: less sugar. But here, they have this kind of option,
- 14:44Speaker 4: prosecco option.
- 14:45Speaker 2: All right. So, Casseret Winery, where can you get these?
- 14:50Speaker 2: I know, Keegan, if I was purchasing for a wholesaler
- 14:53Speaker 2: like you, if I was a restaurant or maybe a
- 14:56Speaker 2: wine shop, I could get it through you. Is this available, like, say,
- 15:00Speaker 2: at a Jungle Gems?
- 15:00Speaker 1: Jungle Gems, absolutely. Jungle Gems, Party Source. Party Source, too. Good, good, good, good, good.
- 15:06Speaker 1: E & O Restaurant. We were actually eating at E &
- 15:07Speaker 1: O last night. Liquor City and Quartz. Yeah, Liquor City.
- 15:11Speaker 1: You know, many different places.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Well, get a bottle or two, folks. I know you
- 15:16Speaker 2: will enjoy these wonderful wines from Quesare Winery in Italy.
- 15:20Speaker 2: And I'm pleased to have the folks from the winery here.
- 15:22Speaker 2: And Keegan, can't thank you enough for bringing in Yovana Maudo.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Maudo. Maudo. Mauro.
- 15:29Speaker 2: I'll get it someday, Mauro.
- 15:30Speaker 1: If you come back, I.
- 15:31Speaker 2: Guarantee I'll have it nailed down. Plus, Lucrezia's daughter, all
- 15:34Speaker 2: from Quesare Winery. It's been such a delight having you here,
- 15:37Speaker 2: and thank you for sharing the love of this beautiful wine.
- 15:40Speaker 2: I wish you all the success in the future and
- 15:42Speaker 2: further growth.
- 15:43Speaker 4: Thank you.
- 15:44Speaker 1: It's been my pleasure. Thank you. Don't go away. Oh,
- 15:48Speaker 1: please do. Are you kidding me?
- 15:49Speaker 2: I talk politics for four hours every morning.
- 15:51Speaker 1: This is a delight.
- 15:53Speaker 2: Judge Anna Napolitano joins the program as he does every
- 15:55Speaker 2: Wednesday at 8.30.
- 15:56Speaker 1: He'll be on next. I hope you can stick around.
- 15:57Speaker 1: Be right back.