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Top 10 Trap Players to Avoid for 2025-2026 (Part 1) · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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Welcome in to Bangor Management, the fantasy hockey podcast with
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Nothing wrong with well, good. Alright, today we're going to be
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doing our top 10 trap players to avoid next season.
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Is this how it's gonna be? If only we had a little crickets
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effect or something. That we could do.
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Maybe next episode. Honestly I've been trying to
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think of a joke for the past like 20 seconds so I can't speak
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and think at the same time. I don't have that skill.
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I wanted to say something about how this is like Fetty Wap's
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favorite episode because like Trap Queen or something like
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that. But like, land it there's.
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Totally something there. Well, I remember Quick tangent
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summer 2015. I thought that every Fetty Wap
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song was the same song. Did not know the difference
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between Tribe Queen 679 or anything.
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Like I just thought he was like like a Michelin star chef with
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all the cooking he was talking about.
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Long behold, that's not what that was about.
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So yeah, culinary enthusiast Fetty Wap would love this
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episode. Yeah, Josh, wanna kind of give
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us a little bit of the framework over here.
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Yeah. OK.
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So obviously everyone knows there's some traps in every
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draft, guys that you're gonna end up regretting for the rest
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of the year. And you look back at the end of
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the year and you're like, why did I fall for that trap?
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And it's guys that usually, you know, will look kind of shiny.
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They'll have some either historic, like, goodness, or you
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think this is their breakout year.
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It's going to be different, something like that.
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And then just massively, yeah. And then they just massively
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disappoint you. So we're here to try and help
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you avoid those traps and laugh as your league mates fall into
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them. And and also I just want to
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preface that with this is all basically like price related.
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Obviously any, any player is draftable at a certain price,
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but these guys were talking about today are usually going to
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be going way higher than we would want them to go.
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So hence making them a trap. Exactly.
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So we're going to be discussing one, why we think they're
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trapped and then two, will talk about their ADP compared to
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where we would be happy drafting them.
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So like Evan said, all these guys are draftable for the most
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part, but but you don't want to take them too high.
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So should we dive right in? Let's you're right into it #10.
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Should start with a few honourable mentions and then OK.
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You know. You're really, really.
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Sorry, I saw you, I say. Up for failure.
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There I was. So excited too.
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So a few honorable mentions. We've got Alexi protists Matt
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Duchene, Thatcher Demko, UC Saros, Mark Stone and Steven
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Stamkos. So all these guys don't like the
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top, the top 10. Yeah, I didn't crack the top 10,
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but these are all these are all pretty big traps in my opinion.
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I mean, out of all these names I think Syros is probably gonna be
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the one that goes the highest. Potentially Saros or Stamkos I
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feel like. Yeah, there's definitely gonna
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be people hoping for the Preds resurgence.
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And I think it's hard for me to imagine them doing worse than
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last year. Well, it's hard to be worse than
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like third to last. Say it's hard to it's hard to be
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worse than last year, but but still like where I'm looking,
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where Soros is going right now, and I'd rather have a lot of
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these forwards that are around his ADP.
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Yeah, for sure. All right, Kevin. #10.
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At #10 we've got Evander Kane who is now on the Vancouver
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Canucks. His stats from last year are 0
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games played in the regular season.
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Why? His ADP right now on Yahoo is
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around 1:16. So in a 12 man draft, that's
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around round 10. And while yeah, and some reasons
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for why he's a trap, one his age, his injury history, the
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fact that he's on a bad team and the fact he probably will have
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bad deployment, what do you guys think?
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I mean I just think first of all his ADP is definitely way too
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high and and let's also say this is for bangers league
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specifically because I don't think he goes as high in non
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bangers leagues. In a non bangers I don't think
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he's even draftable. No, we, we are Bangor management
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after all. But I think if you look at, I
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mean, we're analyzing this with Yahoo specifically because I
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think it's the most popular hockey fantasy app, but they
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have them set up for just over .5 points per game.
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And roughly I think they're making him almost a AAA triple
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double like they have them at almost three hits a game and and
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like 2.5 ish shots a game. And I don't I don't think he
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hits that. Like like you said, this man had
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like 5 surgeries last year and for everything lower body, I
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don't know if he's going to be the physical guy that we
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remember. And also his deployment is just
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not going to be on the elite end, right?
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So I don't expect him to get top tier minutes.
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I expect him to be hurt a lot and I can see him being like,
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you know, playing second fiddle to like a key for Sherwood.
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Like, Sherwood's the big guy and and Kane is like, you know, just
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there. The only good thing, the only
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possible good thing I could say about Kane this year is that he
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has historically been a better player on a bad team.
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San Jose was not very good when Cain was there.
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Like it was especially towards the last few years that Kane was
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on the San Jose Sharks and that's when Evander Kane was at
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his best. So that's the one positive.
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But we. Also much younger this year and
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not a bionical man at that point.
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Yeah, and we we all despise Vancouver for their fantasy
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potential this year. I think we all agree Alize
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Peterson himself can have a bounce back.
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But at the end of the day, like this is not going to be a high
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scoring team. That's why I Thatcher Demko is
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and the honorable mentions too. We don't think he's gonna be
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very good. So there are like I consider
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Nashville a better bounce back candidate than the Canucks as an
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example. I don't think Kane's gonna be
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good at all. This is probably easily the the
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the one that's like the most clear to avoid of any player
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this year. I won't be drafting Evander Kane
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anywhere unless pins are worth more than goals.
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Yeah, I mean, I would take like Kane, like in like the last few
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rounds of the draft, like I would take him round 16 plus in
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a Bangers league just on the off chance that, you know, like when
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you're taking your dart throws, you know, like he has the
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history of being a bangers beast, so why not take A chance
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on him? But you're not taking him around
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10. Like that's way too early.
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Yeah, like I said, I think it really just depends on on your
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lease settings, first of all. But if you're in a bangers
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league that has hits Pimms, I can see him being obviously the
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most valuable and elite like that.
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But I don't I don't see him getting, you know, this high-end
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deployment or, or anything like that.
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And I think it's the players around him in drafts that are
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the big question. Like if you're looking at in
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general, you can get like, I mean, I don't know if there's
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gonna be mostly, but an hourly he's going right next to Zach
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Hyman, which is wild, right? But hourly has Pimms.
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Our leak has shorties, hits blocks.
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So it's a pretty deep lead. But that's nuts.
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But you can get a guy like Zach Bolduc over Evander Kane.
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I feel like that's the range that maybe you can discuss him,
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but I don't know what you guys think.
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Zach Bolduc or Ravender Kane? Probably take Bolduc over Kane.
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I'll try to take the the Habs fan bias out of it as much as I
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can. Like if your league has Pimms, I
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think I'd still give candy edge. Just cause no pins.
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He's gonna play no pins and taking Bulldog for sure.
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OK, what about what about Let me give you one more name or two,
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Chris Kreider or Evander Kane? Crider.
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Yeah, Crider. Because the only value chain has
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is if he actually hits, and if he's a walking double double,
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he'll have value in in most banger leagues, but at the
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bottom of your roster. Because he's not gonna
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contribute points that much. Like he's not gonna get good
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time on ice. And you need time on ice to
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contribute to all those categories.
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I could see him being one of those guys who like, I could see
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him still hitting and like pimping.
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But I think the shots is where he's going to get.
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He's on a bad team. You need to have good teammates
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to get you more shots, and you could have ice time to get good
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shots and you have to not be, you know, walking on crutches.
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So yeah, I think that the shots is the biggest thing that's
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gonna take a hit. And you can pick up anyone as a
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stream who can get you some pimps and some hits on any
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streaming week. So why are you drafting him in
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the 10th round or wherever? You know, so that's if he had
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the shots, the hits and the Pimms, that makes him someone
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who's worth, you know, drafting later on and holding on to your
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team all year. But if he only has two of those
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3 specifically if shots is the ones he doesn't have, that's the
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hardest to get on on the waiver wire, then he's just a streamer
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in my opinion. Yeah, like he he's just going
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before so many relevant guys that I don't want to touch him
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there. Yeah, we'll move on to the next
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one. I just want to say, like last
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week #10 for our breakout candidates was Morgan Geekie,
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who is almost 100 spots below Evander Kane in the ADP.
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And I think that's like a way better pick.
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I would take over any day of the week.
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Yeah, by far. I would take you 100 pics before
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Evander Kane. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Can I give one, Kevin, or do you have another one?
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You can go for it, but we should probably move on.
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Shane Writer Evander Kane. Oh.
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I don't know. That's a tough one.
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I'm not too high on right but. Honestly.
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Heart throws. I feel like right as you gotta
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pick right for the potential, but I could like if you tell me
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you're under Evander Kane, I'm drafting with like the last pick
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of my draft and he rounds out my my, you know, 20 roster lineup
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at the end of my bench. Like, I'd probably rather that.
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Yeah. OK, let's move on to. #9.
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Alright #9A name that I feel like has appeared here ever
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since he got traded. Jonathan Huberdeau.
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I don't know how he could be a trap, because how do people keep
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falling for this, right? But you know, he's cooked guys's
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111, so that's like ninth round. And last year he had 81 games
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played, 62 points, 23 power play points.
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Like, you look at that and you're like, oh, maybe, maybe he
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could find his way again, you know?
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But at the end of the day, he's 32 years old, he's on a mid team
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in Calgary and he doesn't get any peripherals.
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So if he doesn't become that 100 point player again, which he
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won't, then he's just writing off the name value of what he
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did in Florida. So this is the type of thing
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where I don't know how year after year people fall for it.
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He'll have his hot streaks. Like Kevin, you drafted him
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super late last year and he started off the season really
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like strongly and you were trying to ship him, which was
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the correct. Yeah, no one bit, which was also
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the correct move. And it ended up dropping him,
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which was also the correct move. So that's kind of what I see a
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Hoover though, bringing to you. He'll bring you like a the hot
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stretch and if you can flip him and convince someone that he's
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the 100 point guy then you know you pulled it off.
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That's great, but I wouldn't take him anywhere near his ADP.
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I'm just still shocked at how high his ADP is.
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Like, I think it's because, you know, when platforms do their
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projections, they have to obviously take into account
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deployment and somebody's got to be having to get the points,
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right. So he's gonna be line 1P1 on a
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Calgary team. He'll probably play like 20
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minutes a night or over that. So they have to give him some
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points. And if you look at what Yahoo
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hasn't projected for like, they haven't projected for just under
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60 points and a third of its points being on the power play
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like does Huber. Does pretty much exactly what he
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did last season. Right.
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That's exactly what he did last season.
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But he's going to get you no peripherals besides probably one
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point something shots per game. And would you rather have Huber
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dough or, you know, in some rankings, Lynn Hudson's going
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right around him, like. That's crazy.
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Give me Lynn Hudson, you know. Not even close.
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Kent Johnson is going around him.
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You know you can get Dylan Cousins.
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Like, these are all guys that I'd much, much rather have over
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Jonathan Huberdeau specifically and especially in bangers
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leagues. Yeah.
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So I feel like he's the type of player that his name value is
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keeping him so high but. I wonder how many years it'll
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take before that, like, fades, you know, it's already been
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like. I think this is the last year.
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Meaning this is it if he really like has another bad year.
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We, we always talk about deployment here and deployment
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is so important. Anybody that's on line 1P1 is
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worth, especially in the deep leagues that we play in.
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Like, it's a name that you have to have on your watchlist and
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that you have to consider having in your lineup, right?
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Yeah. So I think he's going to be
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there for points on either week, but you're gonna hate the
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consistency because you're gonna have where you guys does nothing
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and he gets you like one shot every two games.
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And then you're gonna have a week where he gets like 3 games
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in a row where like 2 power play points and be like, oh, sick.
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You know? So it's just not worth having on
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the lineup. I'd rather have consistent
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production from that roster spot and not pay that price.
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I have Jonathan Hoover doing my lineup.
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Yeah, exactly. I'd rather have just a guy who's
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gonna pitch in for some backpacks consistently then get
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me a couple of points like every other week.
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If we have any listeners who used to be like huge fans five
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years ago and you stopped watching hockey and then you
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coming back this year for fantasy hockey because it's it's
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very fun. So congratulations to listening
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to this podcast. You're making a great choice.
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But also, if you see Kirill Marchenko one pic below Jonathan
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Huberdeau in your ADP and you're like who's this guy?
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Take him. Over here please.
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You're not take Uber to overkill Marchenko, who is one spot ahead
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of Marchenko. That's crazy.
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How late can I go to like to pick a guy like have hovered
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over a certain guy? Would you rather have hoober
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dough or laferriere? I take laugh every year
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honestly. Really.
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I mean, honestly thought that was, yeah.
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I I don't want either of those guys on my roster, to be honest.
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But at least he's young. He's like on a.
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Probably decent marching. Team.
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Yeah, I think Marchment, who knows what he does on his.
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I would take Uber though. Brilliant Shen.
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Shen. Brayden Bangers League branches.
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Sick. Yeah.
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Yeah, Branson's good. He's going much later.
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Than Uber though, that's crazy. I'm more like projections are
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are are kind of suspect and you have to take advantage of your,
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your platforms ADP and what they see people doing this year.
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Alright, yeah. Move on. #8.
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Alright #8 is the first of three Florida Panthers in this top
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ten, which is kind of crazy for such a strong team, but we could
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talk about why that makes sense and it is Brad Marshawn.
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His last year stats he had 71 games played 51 points .9 Pimms
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per game 2.7 shots, 1.1 hits, which is very solid and his ADP
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is at 107. But he's a pretty big trap.
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Obviously his the he's 37 going into the season, but mainly the
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trade to Florida where he's going to be line 3 power play 2.
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And I looked up his back cats to see how they changed from after
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the trade because obviously we know the points that's gonna go
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down because of that being buried in the lineup.
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But if a guy can put up those solid pimms shots hits, then
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he's still worth looking at. But his pimms dropped from .9
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pins per game to .2 after the trade.
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Obviously it's a very small sample size.
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I think he only played 10 games in the regular season with them,
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but still, that's something to look at because if he doesn't
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have that pins in a Pimms league, that really, really like
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brings down his value. I I will say his playoffs was
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sick. Yeah.
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Like that's one thing to consider. 20 points and 23 games
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is unbelievable and. That's even bigger trap.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, people remember the name,
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they remember the production. That's probably why is 80P is so
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high. I I totally agree that he's a
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trap because of the age. Also, that's such a saturated
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lineup. But this doesn't mean, and I
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know we have a lot of players on this list that we think Florida
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is gonna not be good. And that's kind of the anomaly.
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You know what I mean? Like we think Florida is gonna
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be sick, but these guys. Just too many mouths to feed.
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That's the classic thing. Like when you have like, same
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with Dallas, right? Every year.
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Like they've got a team with so many good players and there's
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only so much ice time to go around and they're not going to
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split it evenly. Just have all the good players
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still going to give their best players the better time.
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So, so yeah, these really good teams often have a lot of trap
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players because you end up with good guys playing on the third
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line, second power play. I think I paid for the vibes.
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He didn't really get paid because they think he's gonna be
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so good for the next five years. Yeah, he got he got hit in the.
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Blizzards. The cup, So honestly, the
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signing worked out and now he's he's set with another contract.
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But I think the biggest thing with Marshawn is, you know, if I
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mean, I don't wanna should we just kind of like talk about the
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next guy at the same time, because I feel like they go hand
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in hand. Their ADP is kind of close
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together. Alright, OK, let's let's bring
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up #7 as well to discuss. Alright.
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And that is Matthew Kuchuk, who is normally a first round pick.
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Last year he only played 52 games, got 57 points, a pimp per
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game, three shots, 1.6 hits. That's unreal in terms of like
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per game stats. Obviously missing 30 games is
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not ideal, but is per game stats have not changed.
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He's still like a first rounder if he's healthy.
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His ADP on YEAH was 94, so it's already very much like.
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The injuries taken into account. Yeah, exactly.
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But there's a lot of people who, you know, the biggest way that I
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see him as a trap is if he doesn't get the surgery before
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the season starts and says something like, oh, I'm good to
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go, I'm going to play through it, whatever, you know?
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Then either he's gonna play until he needs that, he realizes
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he really needs the surgery, and then he misses a bunch of the
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season and you didn't see it coming because he said he wasn't
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going to get the surgery. Or he plays the whole season,
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but he's injured the whole time, so he doesn't play at his full
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potential. So that's why he's a big trap.
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OK, now I have many points that I want to say because I didn't
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get to talk about on on Marshawn.
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But I think the biggest thing with Marshawn is, is if ketchup
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is out, does he slot onto PP1? Because that's the main thing
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for for I think Marshawn's potential value.
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And why is ADP is where it is? Because they're projecting a
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decent amount of power play points for him.
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And if he's not on the P1, I don't think he gets hit that
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threshold. Like they haven't seen for like
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17 power play points this week this year.
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Who? Marshall.
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Yeah, y'all projections have about 17.
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I think they're they're probably banking in him having some P1
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time this year because I don't see how he hits that on P2 the
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whole year. I don't think he's going to get
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it. I think Bennett was is more of a
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priority. So one that's I I agree with you
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or over Hagee, but yeah, I think I think that.
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We think the guarantee ones is Barkov, Reinhart and defensemen.
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We'll discuss which defensemen also coming up on that list, but
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that's the guaranteed 3, which leaves two open spots.
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Assuming chucks out the guys who are in the running is Verhage,
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Bennett, Marshawn, and I'm gonna sneak in Samutsevich because he
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had a lot of time there last. Year.
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That's four guys with two spots. I think Bennett's the clear
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number one guy in and out of those four and I think that
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leaves the next three to fight great.
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And I just don't see Marshawn winning that fight over Verhagen
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and Samutsevich. His price right now is taking
20:58
into account him winning that spot and keeping it, whereas
21:02
basically you're drafting him at a scene.
21:04
Yeah, Marshall, you're drafting him and his ceiling.
21:07
So I already feel like that's a recipe for disaster because if
21:10
anything goes wrong, you're basically losing value off the
21:13
bat. And that's why it probably draft
21:15
other guys around him. Like I'd rather take.
21:18
I'm just looking around him, you know, guys like Verhagen going
21:20
right next to my take. I take Matt Barzal, I take the
21:24
Brink kit, I take Mira Haskin in, you know, like these are all
21:27
guys that I feel like have, you know, sure spots.
21:30
You're kind of, you know what you're getting.
21:31
You don't have the ambiguity and aren't going to let you down
21:35
like Marshall probably will. And then Matthew could Chuck.
21:38
I mean at a certain point he does become a a tempting value
21:42
this late in draft. You know, stash him on IR if you
21:44
need to, but because pick pick in in the 90s, ninety to 100
21:49
probably is where he's going to go.
21:52
If you honestly, I like I love I love taking a chance on on got
21:55
like injured like superstars. It might just cost you.
21:58
The season of the Trap? What like.
22:01
Just it might just cost, no cost you this season if you, if you
22:04
draft him and you enjoy, you know, the, the fruitfulness of
22:07
the beginning of the year and then he's out for the last like
22:09
2-3 months when you actually need him.
22:10
For yeah, that's why I would only draft him.
22:12
I would draft him late, assuming he's gonna be injured for most
22:15
of the year and just stash him on your IRA and hope that it's
22:18
the opposite direction. If you instead.
22:19
If he starts healthy and then gets injured, is out for the
22:21
season, then I'm not interested in him.
22:23
But if he starts off like with having the surgery and then he's
22:25
injured for the first like 2-3 months and then he comes back
22:28
like full force, that's the guy I love to stash on my IRA.
22:31
You can get him late enough in the.
22:32
Draft because my, my thought is we knew in the offseason that
22:35
that he was due to get this surgery right?
22:38
Like it was everything that they were talking about and then he'd
22:41
be ready for the start of the season or he missed a little bit
22:43
on the start of the season. The fact that he hasn't had the
22:46
surgery yet, I feel like they're just setting it up for a mid
22:49
season surgery. LTIR use the cap room again at
22:53
the end of the season and then they have a surefire insurance
22:57
policy for that because we all know we've heard already.
22:59
So we can't be like they're faking putting him on IR, Yeah,
23:03
but they have a situation to take advantage.
23:05
Of that, this is the last year that a team could could take
23:08
advantage of that. So you know, they're gonna do
23:10
whatever they can to get that three, even if it means this is
23:13
half the season. So would you draft?
23:15
Would you draft them here if you know you're only getting him for
23:18
the first three or four months of the season?
23:20
That's what I was gonna say. Like, OK, this is weird.
23:22
Everyone else on the list is like a trap at their cost right
23:26
now. If it is the first three months
23:29
of the season or even if it's later.
23:30
Like, I don't mind drafting to Chuck here, but what's going to
23:33
happen is that if he's going to start the season of the, then
23:35
he's gonna get bumped up to minimum like round three, if not
23:39
maybe even Round 2, which is where I think we're all
23:43
suggesting to avoid him. And then if it's if he's
23:46
starting off injured, maybe he'll slot down to like, where
23:50
is he now around 9:00, you said? Yeah.
23:54
So maybe he slots slots down to like round 12, in which case,
23:58
like, OK, yeah, you could maybe give it a chance.
24:01
But if he stays like round nine and like status quo with the
24:04
ambiguity, like I would probably take the shot at him, but I
24:07
don't want to like I'm the opposite of Josh and it's
24:09
happened to work for him better than it's worked for me.
24:12
At the end of the day, like I don't like picking injured guys.
24:15
It's just not something I feel comfortable doing.
24:17
So what? I pick him at this cost
24:20
probably, but any higher I'm I'm.
24:23
Scared. So I want to say one last thing
24:27
before we probably move on to the next name, but I feel like
24:31
this is a really good opportunity to talk about game
24:34
theory and overall season strategy.
24:36
Because I mean, I play a lot of fantasy football basketball, and
24:40
there's a lot of game theory that goes into into that.
24:43
Whereas, you know, it's a big tournament and the most
24:45
important weeks are the playoff week.
24:47
So it's it's the last three weeks of the season.
24:51
And if you knew going into the season that a certain player was
24:55
going to get you zeros the whole season, but in the playoff weeks
24:58
was going to get you like 10 extra production of what they
25:03
would usually do. So imagine they're getting like
25:05
their average 33 points a game for all playoff weeks and like 5
25:09
shots a game, but they're getting zeros every week before
25:12
the playoffs. Where would you draft that
25:13
player? The smart thing you have to do
25:15
is you draft them in the first round because you know how
25:19
valuable it is when you play to win and how important those
25:22
playoff weeks are. That's all that matters.
25:24
So if it's the opposite, if you know that in the most important
25:27
weeks this player is gonna be straight zeros for you, how
25:29
valuable is that player actually to your team?
25:32
Probably not very valuable because you could probably make
25:34
the playoffs without drafting him and drafting somebody else
25:36
and then not have a flat 0 in the playoff weeks.
25:39
So I think that's just something to take into account if you're
25:41
looking at really being strategic.
25:43
Like, yeah, you might enjoy Matthew Truck on your roster for
25:45
the first couple of months and have that extra value, but does
25:48
it really get you better chance at having to win at the end of
25:50
the season? Probably not.
25:52
Yeah, pretty much. My view is if he's healthy to
25:54
start the season, I'm not taking him.
25:56
If he's injured then I'm interested obviously at the
25:58
right P. Yeah, that's a good, that's a
26:03
good way of looking. At it.
26:04
Also one more thing with drafting injured players.
26:05
I love drafting at least one injured player because in my
26:08
mind that's just an extra draft pick I get is then immediately
26:11
after the draft ends I toss them on my IR and I get to make a
26:13
free agent pickup which is just an extra dart throw I'm taking.
26:16
Yeah, if you're, if you're leagues IR plus, then all those
26:18
data day guys or questionable guys or whatever can slot on
26:22
your IR plus. So definitely want to keep that
26:24
in mind. All right, let's move on to the
26:27
next one. Number six.
26:29
At six, we have Anthony Sorelli of the Tampa Bay Lightning.
26:34
Last year he had 80 games played, 59 points, two shots per
26:38
game, 8 faceoff wins per game and his 80P's 91 on Yahoo.
26:43
Which obviously, yeah, the ADP is going to be different
26:46
depending on your league settings because yeah, it's
26:49
always just, yeah, it's pretty high when you think about it.
26:53
Yeah. Like a in in some leagues that
26:57
include plus minus he's in the 50s.
26:59
Like he's going next to guys like Robertson, Wyatt, Johnston,
27:02
Travis Connect me, John Tavares. I mean the plus.
27:07
Minus crazy. Face off wins as well is pretty,
27:10
pretty big and I think the reason shorties for sure, that's
27:15
a big one. Another reason is he's coming
27:16
off a career year. He never topped 45 points before
27:19
last year and last year he got 59.
27:21
But it was just one hot stretch of the season.
27:23
It wasn't like consistent production.
27:25
And he still aligned to power play too.
27:27
He has zero shot of breaking past either of those.
27:30
So to me, he's honestly someone I wouldn't even draft.
27:33
Like maybe if you're going for faceoff wins and like you said,
27:37
face off wins, plus minus, short, easy, you know, those
27:40
kind of like fringe categories. If your league counts all of
27:43
them, then he can be like a good late round guy to take to like
27:46
fill out your roster. But for me, who like doesn't
27:48
usually target faceoff wins. I'm not.
27:50
I'm not touching him. I need.
27:52
To I don't. That's not a good pick.
27:54
I was gonna say I need to preface this by if you're in a
27:57
plus minus league, please try to not play in a plus minus league
28:00
because they're awful and we've done a couple of studies on
28:04
them. And just to show that there's
28:05
literally no correlation between plus minus and a weekly basis of
28:11
how good that is for your team. But I think that's one of the
28:14
main reasons why Sorrell's ADP is so high is because his plus
28:17
minus tends to usually be positive.
28:19
But there's no way that you can justify this draft cost for a
28:23
player that has this kind of deployment and that hit career
28:26
highs last year for one specific reason.
28:28
Like Tampa had some injuries and he was filling in the need.
28:31
Like if he's not blind 1P1 in that Tampa team, he's not gonna
28:35
hit the same points he did last year and that's all there is to
28:38
it. If you play in the face off
28:39
leagues, obviously he becomes slightly more valuable because
28:42
that's an extra category that he's effective at as a centre,
28:45
but there's so many guys would take ahead of him.
28:48
Is Jonathan Hooper to one of those guys?
28:50
Yes, yeah, I would take. Probably take Cooper, go ahead
28:53
of him, right the line 1P1 like the shares are probably gonna
28:56
get the same. This is a good IRL player like,
29:00
but yeah, it doesn't. Translate R player He was a he
29:02
was a a silky trophy candidate and yeah, yeah.
29:09
Yeah, he's just not that good for fantasy.
29:11
Like it it is what it is. He's never really has been up
29:14
until last year and it was a flash in the pan at this point.
29:16
You have players around his cost that I'd way, way, way rather
29:21
over him and our league values face offs.
29:25
So like that is something to consider.
29:27
I mean, obviously he would be much lower than Jason
29:29
Robertson's behind him. So was Matthew Nyas.
29:31
Yeah, that's crazy. Most likely that's a face off
29:35
unique thing nevertheless to even be considered in the
29:38
conversation. And there are a lot of leagues
29:39
with faceoffs. Would not even come close to
29:43
considering that this guy is like a fourteenth round pick.
29:46
Maybe. 15 yeah, obviously depends on your league, but if
29:50
you're in a league that plays plus minus those like that
29:53
category specifically really, really influences a person's
29:58
draft projections and whatnot. Like you'll have guys like, I'm
30:02
in a league that has plus minus and hits and shorties, OK?
30:06
So just those 3 categories. They have surely projected 20
30:10
spots over Sidney Crosby. Crazy.
30:15
They they have Crosby, they have Crosby projected for 90 points
30:19
and sorely projected for I think 50 points.
30:24
So that's a 40 point difference. But surely they have him at plus
30:28
24 and Crosby at -9 and that, that just bridges the gap on
30:34
Crosby being, you know, 20 picks after him.
30:36
So that's why I think there's no shot in your mind that you're
30:40
ever taking entirely over Cindy Crosby, right?
30:43
No, And that's because plus minus influence, influence is so
30:47
strong. So that's I'm just saying be
30:49
careful. Obviously, look at look at why a
30:51
person is ranked so high in your league.
30:54
And that's why honestly, I feel like, I mean, I play a lot of
30:56
fantasy sports. Fantasy hockey is where I see
30:59
the most. I think discrepancy between what
31:02
the ADP actually is for final season rankings because we see
31:07
all these niche categories really influence projections.
31:13
Yeah. And even sometimes final season
31:16
rankings there's like an actual real gap with that and utility
31:20
like really may actually be ranked high for all the reasons
31:23
you mentioned. And during the year he has an
31:24
amazing average plus minus and you're still the worst plus
31:27
minus team and it's useless. But we though exactly that's a
31:32
great point, Jackie and we did studies where one year we had
31:35
plus minus in our league like two or three years ago.
31:37
And and Josh, we we play in a in a head to head categories
31:41
league. And Josh had overall over the
31:44
season 200 more plus minus than the second place person.
31:48
Josh was in first place. So over this whole season he had
31:51
200 more plus minus. And at the end of the season,
31:55
when you look at how many times like you won the category
31:57
compared to how many times you lost the category was 5050.
32:00
He had won it just as many times as he lost it.
32:02
And that just goes to show how you can't really predict plus
32:05
minus on a week to week basis. Some weeks you may get 10, some
32:08
weeks you might get -10 by the same player.
32:10
It's really ridiculous. And putting that much emphasis
32:13
on trying to win that category when all the other categories
32:15
are way more predictable. It just, it's not a good way to
32:18
build your team. I never look up plus minus when
32:20
I build my rosters. Yeah, that was a really fun,
32:23
funnier. It's wild.
32:25
Can you imagine being 200 points more than the second person and
32:29
and at the end of the year it means nothing?
32:31
Don't have to imagine it, I lived it.
32:35
And yet you still want the elite that you're right, so.
32:37
Yeah, I mean, I I still killed it, Yeah, but.
32:41
Yeah, I'm glad we got rid of that rule.
32:43
Yeah, I guess that wraps up our part.
32:47
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33:44
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33:46
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34:14
Woo woo whoo. Oh, you left us hanging a little
34:20
there. I saw so scared for a second I.
34:22
Saw a quick trivia thing the other day.
34:24
You could keep this in if you want.
34:25
And like, it was like impossible to answer questions about Harry
34:29
Potter. And there were five of them and
34:31
then one of them was, what is the bus driver's name?
34:37
Was the only one that got away with it.
34:41
So what question were never good ever yet?
34:43
Yeah, that's amazing. What were the other questions?
34:48
I just like something impossible stuff like I had no.
34:51
Clue what the bus drivers name is?
34:53
That's not impossible. No other people.
34:56
I guess it's tough for them and not for us.
34:58
Not not for these guys. It was like, what is Lunas
35:03
Patronus? Oh, that's.
35:06
I don't know. So difficult.
35:09
Isn't it? I don't.
35:10
Know, I don't know. It's a woodchuck.
35:12
What? Those are real.
35:16
What you take away from that just those are.
35:17
Real, that guy said, too. It's Harry Potter, not all the
35:22
animals in there are real. I just thought.
35:24
It was a tongue twister. What wood could a woodchuck
35:28
Chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck wood?
35:30
Woodchuck. A real animal?
35:33
Hold on. Yeah.
35:35
So woodchuck is a real animal. That's a type of Marmot, a large
35:40
ground squirrel. And it's I love.
35:42
What is a Groundhog? It's the same thing.
35:45
Sick. Nice.
35:47
All right.