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The Colts Report with Will Retherford (2.171.4) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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  [SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to the Culture Report on the Central Indiana Sports Report.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The Culture Report is every Friday during the Cold Season, and for now we're just trying to find a place for it, while IU, Purdue, the Pacers, and D-Car are all in season.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Will has filled in all season because he's a great guy and loves talking colds, but we're
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We just don't know what day yet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, Coach fans of the Central Indiana Sports Report for this week's Culture Report.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This week with Will Rudd's Virtua, I want to remind everybody is filling in as our coach guy, he is our national sports guy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we are looking for some people to talk cults.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So 502, 533, 3161, please text me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're a phone call.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about the Indianapolis cults and what they need to do between now and next season to be competitive.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to know,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: water the plate pieces that you build around.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's low hanging fruit to say, Kyler Warren, at this point, is absolutely a player to build around.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Self-gardener is a player that you build around at the corner position.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I really like their secondary.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I like their secondary a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that you can build off of that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They need to completely re-haul the line-back room.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They need to get better in the front four.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Offensively, I kind of like where they're at.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked to see them have this year's first trumpet because I think they could have potentially gotten a wide receiver that could help them out a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think with Michael Pittman's cap hit, I'm curious to see if they're gonna trade him or not kind of in some conversation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like they're writing it on the wall that he's likely out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's too bad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a good cult.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he will be remembered as a player that played the game the right way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he played in during a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it affected him down the stretch, the end of years throughout his career.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he really had some special Daniel Jones.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Their rapport was really good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the nature of the business.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that if they go into next year expecting out of Pierce to be their number one receiver, they're lunatics.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it would just be the same old bullshit that the cults do every single year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They think that the guys they have on their team are better than they are.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are just completely bitten by bias when it comes to their talent evaluations out of Pierce is a fine number to receiver.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a reason he only taught 47 footballs last year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not because he was hurt.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's because he was open and was able to catch 47 footballs.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just not a number one receiver in this league.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In the capacity, it's not to Sean Jackson, who is similar build in terms of his yards per catch ratio.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't really a number one receiver.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Team's tried to make him a receiver.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A number one and a true alpha.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's just not that type of football player just
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of those guys who were Alpha's not very many Tyre kills is an alpha.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's that similar type player and I think Steve Smith was kind of an alpha and he was similar kind of player.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But Peter Tyre and Steve Smith were posted years of over 85 receptions of Alec Pierce hasn't had the year he's had over 65 receptions.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just about that rule.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that role I get it they kind of need Michael Pittman.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that his role with pierces great when you have a quarterback that can deliver the ball the way that you need to.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that Warren got a bit of the rookie I just towards the end of the year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you do you know long process in between college football and then you
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, draft prep and working out for that, then you jump into your rookie mini camp.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just had that time to breathe.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that year is just really mentally and physically taxing on an athlete.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I expect to see him next year, really blossomed into the, I think number one target that he is going to be from this cold state.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Assuming there's a quarterback to get him to ball and we did that on our last
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the direction the culture going to go at quarterbacks, sure seems like Daniel Jones limit.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with that being said, Greg, I think often simply when we were talking about players that we could build around, I think, right tackle is an area of need.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Whether you develop a right tackle,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They obviously had Jordan Travis, who they're high on, we'll see what type of player is.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that offensive line struggled in the year last year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fair to say that they were not the same offensive line.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you might have to look to adjust what you do there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I agree with the point that Daniel Jones is going to be there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They did a great job of keeping him upright.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the, you know, TV Fractor was kind of a fibula Fractor excuse me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of a, you know, a freak injury.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That didn't happen all that often.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like the even the social media they're putting out on Daniel Jones and just it feels like he's going to be back and almost feels like they've got a deal done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of waiting to do it in a way because he's going to be a free agent.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I would not be Surprise at all to see at 12 o'clock on the dot in the Colts and Daniel Jones have agreed to a
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If I was running the gene, that's not what would happen, but that's okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the worst option in the world, at least they have that option.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they'll franchise tag because I don't think they want to pay him top three money.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they shouldn't.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They should not do that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If that's the only way he's coming back to Andy, you got to lend him a walk.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Greg, I get the sense that we're going to have a kicker battle.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think between group and trader.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that's something to keep an eye on as, you know, we kind of cycle into this NFL off season.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think groupies are going to be a player that's going to have probably some calls for mother teams that, you know, I think that he, he performed really well for this cold team.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Set the franchise record for longest field goal and team history, which is interesting, but the field goal he had in the final 50 seconds in Seattle.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, where do you see this cold team like a really needing to improve to say that they're true contenders and the AFC South End and the AFC in general?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Depends on what you want to accomplish, I think if you just want to kind of fill the gaps and be pretty good again, which is what kind of they've done and I'm expecting them to do again and you gotta start a linebacker and you gotta start a defense of end.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and you got to figure out a way to spend that money and you got to get a good one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're out there, make a trade if you have to.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But Quity Pay is not getting the job done and he's never going to.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Another example of them over estimating their talent to player.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the same is the case.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: For a lot too, although I think toward the end of the year is a little bit better.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the only way he's going to be good is standing up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's a past Roger.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: but I don't think he's any good either.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the front seven is nearly good enough.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Even the two guys in the middle have been vulnerable to getting gashed at times and they're getting old.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the front seven, you just got to get a rebuild it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But as we see, first baller dude, I never version under Epic, he's not a will and he's been on free agency.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you're going to fix it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't either.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're in the, here's the fact.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to finish third in the AFC South behind Houston
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  [SPEAKER_01]: whether they're in a playoff spot comes down to how bad their schedule is that they play.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of my thought on this team.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when I think they'll be that's what they were five years ago, it's what they'll be five years from now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The same situation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Will you and I will talk for agency in the next few weeks, hopefully we can find somebody else to talk with us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We will also talk about the draft coming up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: on the culture port in the next few weeks, but for now, I want to talk about if you were Chris Ballard, where do you start?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's without question, even as bad as I think they're front four is, I think some linebacker or Rubas, like bottom three in the league, they're that bad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that has to be where you, I think, agree, evaluate.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked Carson's sweatshinter.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about him in the draft.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I loved him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I do UCLA.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wish the cults would have potentially traded up in the second round to go get them, because I think he's defensive and reputed the eerie.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: incredible playmaker for that Browns defense.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that he really filled the need the Coltad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I don't think you were going to take him in the first round.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you should probably take linebackers too often in the first round ever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got your tight end.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Of the future, or here's an excellent player.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know who's there in free agency to be
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's probably going to be the best free agent available.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what's going to be available via draft.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that kind of changes as, you know, this transition period from February into March, where teams really kind of analyze who's expendable and who's not.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll have a better idea.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that there's some veteran that I'm just following in love with him bringing in.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what Bobby Wagner's contract is.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: With the commanders, obviously, he is on the real twilight of his career.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: he's a short tackler, which is something they have not had, I'm interested to see what they do with Nick cross.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be a litmus test for how they move further, what they're willing to spend on him, defensively with already having bionum, sauceguardner and mooney ward, which is a pretty expensive secondary already.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What can they allow
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  [SPEAKER_01]: allocate to him to shore up that back in completely, we'll see.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just, I am left just feeling this, like, I don't think it's anger, but just like hopeless frustration and hopelessness with the colds, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that this is ever going to get better.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Greg, an interesting stat that I still there are zero head coaches in a
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  [SPEAKER_01]: with the team when they missed the playoffs, the first three years of that coach being in the franchise.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, last question, will any consideration to trading Jonathan Taylor or Quentin Nelson?
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have to.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to consider.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I think you can replicate Quentin Nelson's production.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I still think he's in the lead and lead left guard, but how greatest in the lead left guard on a team that's eight nine, like what does his true value to a franchise like that?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're getting a lot back form.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor, I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Johnson Taylor just come around so...
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  [SPEAKER_01]: a few times in a generation, in a 20-year period where he's awfully hard to get rid of with his talent.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: How patient he is, yeah, I think he's just, he's awfully good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also fair to say that he's been a part of the worst
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  [SPEAKER_01]: period of cold history, too.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think any player regardless of what your output, how many outper, all pros, how many probals, all the acclades you have.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any player can kind of sit back and not take some slack for the fact that you didn't pass it on better than you found it for the next generation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that's a lot of responsibility I'm placing on one player.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably unfair because he's been an incredible,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: he's a statistically in terms of the arts per game at top five running back in NFL history.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he's doing his part, but.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the only thing in value.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like when Jimmy Johnson took over the Cowboys, he said, what do I have in the value that I can trade?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they said the only player you have is worth the damage, hurtful walker.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing he did was trade hurtful walker.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not about Jonathan Taylor.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about his performance.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we should, I think we know that, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's about the best thing for the friends.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to play devil's advocate, but it just really had him in that successful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He every player has to be held accountable when you're at this point of a franchise as an aptitude.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, it's not, like I said, it's not fair, it's not warranted.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You could have said the same thing with Christian McAfrey when he was with Carolina.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He goes to San Francisco and he's the reason that they're good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jonathan Taylor is the guy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's the best running back in the league in terms of being a pure running back.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the best athlete.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're better athletes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's the best running back, though.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he's the guy from the Colton anymore, but the direction of this franchise.
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that if you were smart, you would move him while you can right now and get the most because his value is going to depreciate quickly as he ages.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is really bad as we start to move toward our new podcast, a debate-style podcast that we agree on it pretty much everything here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I won't go so far as to say that it's times that I think it's probably just as wise to keep them, but I think it's something that definitely needs to be a consideration, but I think they should be rebuilding in there clearly now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If a team comes to the Colton says I'll give you a first round draft pick for Johnson's hand, though you gotta take it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, well.
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