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The Goonies with Sarah Marshall · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: Hello Bechdel Cast listeners.
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  Speaker 2: And us again, the hosts of the Bechdel Cast.
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  Speaker 1: Ever heard of us?
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  Speaker 2: This is?
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  Speaker 3: Oh well, I guess let's say our names. Yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 3: my name is Jamie Loftis.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Derante. And we recorded a live
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  Speaker 1: show in Portland a few months back that we are
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  Speaker 1: now releasing. It's on the Goonies with Sarah Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: I ever heard of her? She's the best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's next door to me right now, which sounds scary.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like I'm holding her prisoner, but it's just
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  Speaker 3: the truth. Yeah, you're on tour together.
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  Speaker 2: We're on tour together, the Babe Beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: And so this is one of the shows that we
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  Speaker 1: live streamed recorded it Curious Comedy Theater in Portland or
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of that?
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  Speaker 2: And if you haven't, you should go.
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  Speaker 4: It's fun.
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  Speaker 1: It is very fun. Point is we live stream the
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  Speaker 1: show and the recording also exists as like something that
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  Speaker 1: you can buy on demand. So basically if.
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  Speaker 2: You go back to video tree.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So if you want to see, for example, us
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  Speaker 1: eating a hot dog on stage.
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  Speaker 3: See our cute little outfits. No spoilers, but we're wearing
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  Speaker 3: some cute little outfits.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to see the special segment that we
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  Speaker 1: did at the end with Sarah that you won't hear
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  Speaker 1: in the audio version.
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  Speaker 3: Trivia Treasure Hunt. It's very goofy, it's super fun and
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  Speaker 3: if you're a big fan of the show and you're
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  Speaker 3: a big fan of Sarah Marshall, I bet you'll like it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we have that linked in our lee tree.
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  Speaker 2: But we're about to hear is our audio version of
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  Speaker 2: the live episode on the Goonies.
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  Speaker 3: We also did this in Seattle, but you're hearing the
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  Speaker 3: Portland version.
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  Speaker 2: Little inside Baseball there.
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  Speaker 3: And there is still one more Portland live episode we
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  Speaker 3: will be releasing in the future that you can also
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  Speaker 3: buy on demand to watch right now if you so choose.
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  Speaker 3: It is the Hannah Montana movie with Rob Evans, and
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  Speaker 3: really what more could you ask for in terms of
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  Speaker 3: a dissonant pairing. So but we're very thrilled to present
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  Speaker 3: to you now The Goonies with Sarah Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, your curious comedy theater. Make some noise for
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  Speaker 2: the Bechdel cast. Please keep that going for Jamie and Caitlin.
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  Speaker 2: They Land Patriarch Zach start changing it.
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  Speaker 1: Hi Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. Hello, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for coming.
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  Speaker 2: How are you Portland, Oregon? The superior Portland? Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Wow, shots fired against Maine.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone has mad, just passed out and they have no
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  Speaker 3: idea why. Welcome, Thank you for coming. Give it up
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  Speaker 3: for yourselves. My name is Jamie Loftus, my.
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  Speaker 1: Name is Caitlin Dronte, and this is the Bechdel Cast. Yay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was like, I'm gonna pause
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  Speaker 1: so that everyone collapse again.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're so excited to be back.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't gotten to go on tour for about three
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  Speaker 3: years for no particular reason really, the kind of didn't
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  Speaker 3: feel like it. But we're so pumped to be back,
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  Speaker 3: and back in Portland specifically because this is I think
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  Speaker 3: this is my favorite city to tour too.
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  Speaker 2: It truly is, and which I don't say. I did
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  Speaker 2: not say that. In San Francisco. I got pretty volatile.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what's wrong with it here? It's depressing?
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  Speaker 2: Why is your mayor in all of the movies? Anyways?
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like that. I feel great here? Should we?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, has anyone been to a Bechdelcast live show before?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: My god, so who has never been to a Bechdel
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  Speaker 1: cast live show before.
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  Speaker 2: I run apod Wow, okay, second graders, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Also. Okay, wait, hang on, we're live streaming the show,
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  Speaker 1: so we should say, yeah, the people in.
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco aren't like, what the fuck? I totally forgot
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  Speaker 2: that other people could hear me.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, hi, Hi, we love San Francisco. That was a
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  Speaker 3: technical error, and I'm a deep face. I think everyone
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  Speaker 3: can agree that was a deep fake.
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  Speaker 1: And that's anything.
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  Speaker 2: Is the pro of evil tech things going on? Is
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  Speaker 2: that anytime I say something I regret like that was
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  Speaker 2: clearly a deep fake.
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  Speaker 3: Why would I say that I love San Francisco Go
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  Speaker 3: bridges are awesome?
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  Speaker 1: Last night I mistook the This is not important, but
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  Speaker 1: I mistook the Golden Gate Bridge for the Bay Bridge.
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  Speaker 2: And everything one threw a tomato.
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  Speaker 1: I got egged at the show.
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  Speaker 2: You also said the hard finger. Okay, wait, quick story.
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  Speaker 3: So last night we did an episode on George of
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  Speaker 3: the Jungle in San Francisco where it takes place in
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  Speaker 3: first of the Jungle and then San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a.
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  Speaker 3: Moment where well you were talking about George getting horny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and what was the phrase you were trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to say that he starts to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to like seduce a woman, but that's not
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  Speaker 1: what they said at all. I said that he starts
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  Speaker 1: to finger out and everyone laughed at me.
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  Speaker 2: But you didn't know that you said it. You just
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  Speaker 2: kept going in and you're like, why is everyone laughing?
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  Speaker 2: It was really it was.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like a nightmare that was happening to us,
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  Speaker 3: but it was exciting. It was awesome, and that's the
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  Speaker 3: joy of live comedy. So thank you for coming.
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  Speaker 2: We should tell people what the show is. For those
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  Speaker 2: watching on the live stream, this is the Bechdel Cast.
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  Speaker 3: It's a show where we take an intersectional feminist look
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  Speaker 3: at your favorite movies.
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  Speaker 1: We sure do.
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  Speaker 2: But Caitlin, what the hell is the Bechdel Test, I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you.
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  Speaker 1: It's a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes called the wu to Alison Bechdel exactly, sometimes called
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: the Bechdel Wallace Test. There are many versions of the test,
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: but the one that we use that we've cultivated over
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: the years is that two people of a marginalized gender
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: have to have names they must speak to each other,
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: and their conversation has to be about something other than
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: a man, ideally some like narratively substantial conversation, right, And
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: then there's.
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  Speaker 3: Just movies about a group of young boys falling in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of water. And so there was sort of
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  Speaker 3: like a spectrum of the kinds of media available to people,
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  Speaker 3: and we celebrate that, we do.
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  Speaker 1: We do.
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  Speaker 3: So tonight we are covering uh or Agony and classic
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  Speaker 3: the Goonies?
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  Speaker 1: Who here has seen the Goonies?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? And who here? Who are the brave people who
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  Speaker 2: have not seen the Goonies?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, me two days ago? Oh my gosh, okay. So
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  Speaker 3: we're really excited to talk about this movie.
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  Speaker 2: And about the movies of Oregon in general.
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  Speaker 3: Were thrilled to be here. Really quickly before we bring
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  Speaker 3: our guests out, I know that there's someone here that
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  Speaker 3: has a hot time for me.
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  Speaker 2: And I want I would like it.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, thank you?
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  Speaker 2: Wait? What's your what's your This is heavy? What's your name?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Carly? Hi Carly? So well do you mind weave
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  Speaker 2: a second?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I just want to open it. Where'd you
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  Speaker 2: get this? I got it at Donnie Vegas. It's a
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  Speaker 2: bond me hot dog. Oh my god, wait chic holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: Another another count against San Francisco. I asked San Franciscans
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  Speaker 3: to bring me their hot dog, and someone brought one
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  Speaker 3: from Paris Baguette and they were like, we're we do
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  Speaker 3: burritos more here, and I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Get out of my sight. Wait, this looks amazing. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much giving it for Carly. Do you want
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  Speaker 2: to bite?
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  Speaker 1: I would love a bite. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Can I feed it to you?
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, we got Sorry, we're just demonstrating that
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  Speaker 3: what the Bechdel test can do.
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  Speaker 2: Caitlin, do you mind if I uh feed you this
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  Speaker 2: hot dog?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Just don't bring up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, thrilling. I'm gonna take a bite from the
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  Speaker 3: other side. Actually, I'm gonna save it the other side
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  Speaker 3: for our guests.
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  Speaker 2: That's polite.
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  Speaker 1: Did people get pictures of that or ever? What?
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  Speaker 4: Or was it all for?
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  Speaker 3: Not?
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  Speaker 2: This is calling a really good so far Donnie Vegas
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  Speaker 2: huh wow, I'm really wow. Okay wow, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a nightmare for people with me as
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  Speaker 3: a phonia there I get so many emails from people
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  Speaker 3: that are like, what what are you eating? I'm like
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  Speaker 3: putting like hot dogs, chips, Mike's hard lemonade like whatever
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  Speaker 3: kind of whatever's around.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a savenger. Did anyone else bring a hot dog?
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to make sure our basic covered?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fuck you, guys, what the really interesting? You ask?
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  Speaker 2: You ask, you ask? Carly provides give it.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of you may be flopping a bit, but
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  Speaker 3: we can make up for that. I'm just gonna leave
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  Speaker 3: this hot dog detritas here as a memory.
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  Speaker 1: Say you've got someone on your face as well?
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't think I do.
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  Speaker 3: Should we? Oh? I'm so excited for tonight's guest, one
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  Speaker 3: of the one of the greats and one of the
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  Speaker 3: Portland greats.
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  Speaker 1: A Portland local host of Your wrong About and You
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  Speaker 1: are a good podcasts. You know her, you love her.
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  Speaker 1: It's Sarah Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, Chunk has arrived.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were doing some light chunk costplay. This kind
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  Speaker 3: of like the Disney bounding version of Chunky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's subtle. It's a suggestion of fans.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want some hot Doug? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I saved you. The I saved you the other side.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fresh bite. Yeah, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you didn't feed it to her.
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  Speaker 3: That's oh, sorry, I'm supposed to do you want a
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  Speaker 3: second vibe? Yeah, a rogue cucumber appears. That was very
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  Speaker 3: feral of all of you to say feeder, and you'll
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  Speaker 3: notice I obeyed. Sorry, they asked, we had to do it. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this is an unfortunate time to be like, so, Sarah,
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  Speaker 3: what's your experience with the Goonies?
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  Speaker 2: But you know we can wait.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm gutting there. Take your time, so when you're ready.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're ready to answer the question, tell us
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  Speaker 1: what is your history with the Goonies?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I've actually never told anyone this story, but when
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  Speaker 4: I was like six, I used to go to this
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  Speaker 4: house where like it was one of those like home
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  Speaker 4: daycare places, and there I just remember being pandemonium. There
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  Speaker 4: were just kids crawling around everywhere, and so there was
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  Speaker 4: this like baby toddling around and some girls were like,
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  Speaker 4: we're helping her walk and I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: can get in on that. And then somebody was like,
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  Speaker 4: come watch the Goonies and I was like, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 4: doing that, and then.
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  Speaker 2: I apparently dropped the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I mean not, you know, not the sloth kind of a.
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  Speaker 3: Way I was.
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  Speaker 2: Leading with leading with the bottom leading with the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: Supposed to go down.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, The Goonies originally was a movie that I
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  Speaker 4: saw a bit of and felt an overpowering sense of
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  Speaker 4: shame whenever it came up for years. And then I
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  Speaker 4: watched it like ten years ago, and it's like charming
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  Speaker 4: enough that it overtook my overpowering self lothing, which is
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  Speaker 4: always huge. That's powerful, if only for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what became of that baby or
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  Speaker 2: did you leave that out on for.
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  Speaker 4: I think she's she recovered from that trauma. I think
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  Speaker 4: she's doing okay. I haven't if anyone knows about the
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  Speaker 4: fate of that baby, please.
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  Speaker 1: Come up to me. Is that baby here tonight?
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  Speaker 3: What if we were doing a Maury style like, well,
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  Speaker 3: guess what, she's here and she's pissed hot dogs?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she wersimply Carly.
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  Speaker 2: And she's fucking furious. Oh my god, how I die?
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, I don't remember dry. I'm sure that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I had like a million cousins. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: that I dropped one of them at some point. I
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  Speaker 3: remember my dad once being like, well, everyone drops their
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  Speaker 3: kid a couple times.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's all about angles, You're like, It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a mysterious lump on my head. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That's why we have curly hair.
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  Speaker 2: You know exactly. I don't have to worry about it
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  Speaker 2: at okay, Kitlyn. What's your history with the Guineas I
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  Speaker 2: saw it?
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  Speaker 1: I think once as a kid, once again in college,
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  Speaker 1: and not really at all. Aside from that, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a movie I grew up with. I was too busy.
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  Speaker 1: It was too busy watching Indiana Jones because that was
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  Speaker 1: for adults and I didn't like kids stuff. That's not
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  Speaker 1: even true. But uh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It just for some reason. It wasn't one of the
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  Speaker 1: VHS's we had growing up. So yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have much of a history with it, but
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  Speaker 1: I always I enjoyed the idea of it, I think
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  Speaker 1: more than the actual movie, because there's some fucked up
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  Speaker 1: shit in the movie and that we'll talk about. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what's your history with it?
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, I hadn't seen it until two days ago.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like there was such a wealth of movies
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  Speaker 3: about a group of young boys on bikes that would
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  Speaker 3: swear at each other during this era that like you
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  Speaker 3: just sort of see like you could you could watch it.
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  Speaker 3: You can watch et, you can watch the Goony. Like
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  Speaker 3: there's like so many ragtag groups of boys that would
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  Speaker 3: each get to say shit one time. Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 3: thought I had maybe seen this movie because I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's boys on bikes the movie, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Hadn't seen it. And yeah, I'm interested to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot to love about it, and then some
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  Speaker 2: stuff that you're like, oh no, which is our favorite
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  Speaker 2: kind of movie to cover on this show.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I had dropped a baby to this movie.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great story.
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  Speaker 4: It's also like and then my memory of the movie
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  Speaker 4: is like of the smell of that like home daycare place,
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  Speaker 4: which like you know, they never smell good.
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  Speaker 2: That takes a while to get over. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: my mom ran home daycare and our house was stinky.
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  Speaker 1: But it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: We're being dropped and Mama for Telly says, kids suck.
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  Speaker 3: Mama for Telly is the most complicated character in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: Truly.
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  Speaker 3: It's truly she I was never not shocked at like
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  Speaker 3: and I say, this is an extreme positive. But how
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  Speaker 3: many times in the Goonies the kids flip from being
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  Speaker 3: in mortal danger to like fucking with each other again
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  Speaker 3: is like a space of point five seconds where it's like,
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  Speaker 3: Mama for Telly is about to cut Corey Feldman's tongue out,
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  Speaker 3: and then two seconds later he's like, makes a peepee joke.
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  Speaker 2: It's the best. Those boys are on bikes all right,
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  Speaker 2: mentally and physically.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. Should I do the recap?
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  Speaker 2: Let's do the recap?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that tepid applause. Uh okay. So
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  Speaker 1: we open on a prison break where a guy named
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  Speaker 1: Jake for Telly played by Robert Davey.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: He breaks out of County jail with the help of
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  Speaker 1: his mom played by Anne Ramsey, and his brother Francis.
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  Speaker 1: That's joey pants. Okay, Joe Pantaliano. They speed away and
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  Speaker 1: the cops are chasing them, but they escape. Then we
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  Speaker 1: meet a handful of kids who are the Goonies. That's
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  Speaker 1: the name of the movie. It's mouth played by Corey Feldman.
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  Speaker 1: He's like the machievous little stinker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the hair. You can tell it because
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  Speaker 2: of the way his hair is you're like, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: kid's trouble.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: We've got Data. That's kwan. He's like and Andy.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, Data is the best character and if you disagree,
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  Speaker 3: you have to leave the show.
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  Speaker 2: I was blown away though, Like, how Data?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: If there's ever a character named Data in a media property,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be the best character. Because it's also true
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: of Star Trek. Uh is like Data is the best
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: character on that iteration of Star Trek and in the
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  Speaker 3: Goony like you can debate me, but you'll lose.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you'll be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: His thing is he's like the gadget kid. He has
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  Speaker 1: all these gadgets. We've got chunk uh. He's played by
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Jeff Cohen, And his thing is that a lot of
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: fat jokes are made at his expense. We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: You know. The element of his personality that they introduced
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  Speaker 3: that is not deeply offensive is that he's a serial liar,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and I wish they had leaned into that more because
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  Speaker 3: all of his lines are so funny. The first line
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  Speaker 3: is reference is that Janet Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Pete at his house once he's coming up with stier lies.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Like he's really good.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Just stick to that that's creative.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got Mikey. That's Sean Aston and he's like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: our hero. He's kind of like the straight man. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: then Mikey's older brother is Brand played by Josh Brolin,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and he's tough.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Did people a lot of people are like, okay, someone's
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: were in the back snapping a fan of SLO.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: All right, all right?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: He he works out and that's his thing. He has
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: a workout equipment. What's it called exercise equipment?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, he's got like he's got springs. I was like, yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: that would make you strong, wouldn't it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It's like resistance like eighties resistance bands which were yes, springs.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, don't understand his mom thinks he ties himself up
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: to work out. I mean that was his excuse before.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Their their mom uh Brandon.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Mike's mom is barely in the movie, but every time
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: she's on screen, she is just in the trenches. She
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: enters in an arm sling, and we don't know why,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Like she like walks in she's got an arm sling.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: She's like, well, my house is getting knocked down tomorrow.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: And then her kids just are like fuck you. They
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: break her shit, and.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Then yeah, she's just having a bad day. She has
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: us that statue penis, and they took that away from her.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's my favorite.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: She's horny. I guess, I don't know. Okay, So the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Goony is their best friends and it's their last weekend
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: together before they all have to move away because where
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they live, which is the goon Docks of Astoria, Oregon,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I believe ever heard of it, it is going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: be bought up and turned into a country club, which.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You pointed out they already have a country club.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: A story that already has a country club, which we
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: see in the movie, so we're not sure why they
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: need a second one, but that's what's happening, and their
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: families don't have enough money to stop this from happening.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: All the kids congregate at Mikey and Brand's house and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they go into the attic because Mikey and Brand's dad
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of like museum stuff up there that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they have yet.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: To move off the premises, even though their house is
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: being demolished in ten yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, And they find this map to buried Treasure from
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I think like sixteen thirty two. It is treasure that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a pirate named One Eyed Willie had stolen, but then
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: he got trapped with his treasure. But as legend has it,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: he dug a bunch of caves and tunnels and made
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of booby traps for anyone who went looking
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for the treasure. We also learn about this guy named
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Chester Copperpot who searched for the treasure a few decades back,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: but he disappeared and never returned. So Mikey is like, hey,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: if we find this treasure, we can keep the goon
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: docks and we don't have to move. So Mikey, Mouth
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Chunk and Data decide to tie Brand up with his
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: weird Resistance band and run out of the house with
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the map and go on this quest for buried treasure.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So it's at this point where you're like, oh, it's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: like the Fellowship of the Map because Sean Aston is
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: right there, but he's kind of more of the Frodo
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: character than the Sam Wise character.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Shaun Aston is obsessed with going on a quest. He
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: loves it, he really does, he loves it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: It needs to be said that Thanos is tied up
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: to a Cyndi Lauper b side.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And so the kids ride on their bikes
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to this place called gold Rock Beach where they see
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: three rocks. They're also on the map, and they also
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: have this to bloom that's kind of guiding them, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they like match things up. Oh there's more hot dog
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: is eating.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I see there's free dose in here.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: There are. Yeah. So they're like matching things up with
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a to bloom in the map and they figure out
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that they're supposed to walk one hundred feet north, which
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: brings them to this restaurant. Meanwhile, Brand has gotten loose
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and is chasing after them on this little bike with
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: training wheels. Cute, and he encounters this rich bully kid.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: He's with two girls, Andy played by Kerry Green and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Steph and that's Martha Plimpton.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I like the Troy.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: You can tell he's the rich kid because he's like
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: wearing a visor. It doesn't say money on it, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: it like basically does. Eighties like rich guys were just
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: they were just so like clear cut in the way
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: that they loachd. Now we have like little Elon Musk
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: looking villains like I'm just when it was just a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: guy with bad hair with a visor that said money.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So the goonies reached the restaurant where they
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: see a few people go inside, so the kids go in,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: but oh no, it turns out that they were the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: three people from the prison break scene at the beginning
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: of the movie, the Fortellies who are like, what are
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you fucking kids doing here? And the Goonies are scared
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and they're pretending to order food and to use the bathroom.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Then Mikey goes into the basement. This is when he
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: sees a man who is chained up. We will learn
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that his name is Sloth, played by former NFL player
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: John Mastusik. Did I say that right? Right? Are you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not a sports crowd?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: What he want? You want to what's the game called?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It's called not it's the super Bowl.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: We're like playing into stereotypes right now. He won two
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: super Bowls and then he played Sloth. I mean kind
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: of an iconic run he had.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we'll talk more about this character.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: We'll come back to Sloth.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Then Brand shows up and helps the kids escape from
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the restaurant, and then they're trying to figure out what
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to do. They run into the two girls from earlier,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Andy and Steph. The Fortellies leave, so they go back
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: in the restaurant where they find a tunnel in the fireplace.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But that's when the Fortellies show back up, so the
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: kids have no choice but to escape into the tunnel. Yes,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but Chunk gets separated from them and the other kids
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: are like go to the police, and he's like, oh okay.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Chunk is like haunted by this corpse for like multiple scenes. Yeah,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I just love.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Jeff Cohen's all of his like line reads are so
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: funny and they it plays just like I don't know it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: He reminds me of so many kids I knew who
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: were like this kid's speaking natural speaking volume is screaming,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: where he like screams all of his lines, and it
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: makes like it's even better than if someone was like, hey, Jeff,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you don't got it yell like it's it's better that
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: he does, because kids do that shit all the time.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Where he's just like Hi, You're like, oh my god,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I love I love I love.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: That kind of kid.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Those are I like, those are like my closest friends,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: because if you're a quiet kid, you need like natural
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: volume screaming kids around.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, balance exactly. Yeah. So Chunk is going to try
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to find the police and he escapes but the fertellities
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: catch him right away and bring him back to the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: restaurant and start questioning him. Meanwhile, the other goonies start
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: making their way through the tunnel. There's a scene with
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: water pipes. That's where you see the other or the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: already existing country club.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: They find a skeleton. They discover that it's Chester copper Pot,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the guy who went looking for the treasure like fifty
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: years earlier, right.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And so they're like, haha, bitch, we got further. We're
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: better than they lived.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They accidentally set off one of one eyed Willies booby traps.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Huge boulders are about to fall on them. They managed
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to escape. Then they think for a minute that they
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: found the treasure, but it turns out it's just like
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the interior of a wishing well, and they find Troy
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: that rich kid is like like above ground at the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: opening of the wishing well.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: This part is truly wild to.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Me because Andy at this point understandably has had it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: She's trapped in hell with kids she doesn't know, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: she gets the opportunity to be brought back to the surface.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: But then little sean Aston gives such a powerful monologue
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: that she agrees to remain in hell forever. Yes, it
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: is so wild, that's what you cast him for. He's like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you gotta stay in hell for me, Sean Aston, this
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: is our hell.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It's all hell down here.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, so they realized. So they realized that they could
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: escape with Troy's help. But that's yeah. Mikey gives this
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: impassioned speech where he's like Chester copper Put couldn't even
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: get this far. He's a loser, and we're winners, We're awesome.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: We should keep going. And then Andy is like what
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: if we die? And Mike He's like, goonies never say die.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And then then she's like, what are you talking about?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know you is maybe what I would have
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: said if I were in that position, like all right, well,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: best of luck with whatever the fuck you're talking about.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Goodbye.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Do they even did they even ever tell those
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: girls like what they're doing or what they're looking for?
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Well, no, I was gonna try to fact and logic
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: by way, the answer is I think no, yeah, which
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I think is best expressed through Martha Plimpton, who the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: whole time is like I hate it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I hate it, like I'm getting bathe, I'm babysitting, but
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not getting paid exact. Yeah, but your options are
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: this are being sexually harassed in a car.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: So I guess it's this.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: I guess what the eighties were like.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I guess framed that way, I would also agree to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: stay in hell.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. Meanwhile, the Fertellies tie up Chunk with Sloth in
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the same room, and then they go into the tunnel
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: after the Goonies, but Sloth breaks loose from his chains
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and then he and Chunk head into the tunnel as well.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: The Goonies set off another booby trap. Data falls through
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the floor into another room. Everyone follows him down there,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and then there's a scene where Andy kisses Mikey thinking
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he's brand.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: The fact that they have time for this in the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: middle of being in Hell is just like, but don't like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: isn't it so relatable?
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Like when you want to have your first kiss with
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: someone you're interested in, You're like, I'm gonna call you
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: from several rooms away. I'm gonna stand here with my
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: eyes closed, and I'm just gonna see what happens.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna trust that my friend.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: If the wrong person shows up, my best friend would
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: definitely tell.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Me, he'll definitely tell me. Why would she not tell me? Oh,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: if my best friend definitely doesn't secretly hate me.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: And want me to make out with a twelve year old.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: It is just a really bizarre sequence. Andy's a really
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: bizarre character. We'll come back to her.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is also in the middle of them all
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: like taking a piss break. They're like, we got a pee,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: but also let's kiss in the middle of our pea break.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Kayling, you brought up when we were watching this together,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you're just like getting progressively more and more frustrated because
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: of how wet the kids were getting on.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: We're just like, how are they gonna keep the map together?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: During the wishing Well scene, Sean Aston just stands under
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a fountain for like five minutes.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And then there's one line where like, for seemingly no reason,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Corey Fellman's character is like standing, completes his line of
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: dialogue and then just flops down into the water apropos
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: of nothing. And I just I think that it's just like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: if you're directing, you know, like a five hundred eleven
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: year olds, they're just gonna do that, and you're just like, well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I guess that's the take we have. He unfortunately flopped
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: down at the end, but he completed the line.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were very there's too much water, okay, metal
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: these kids off. Yeah, it's a problem the state has.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Generally, we just have too much water around. We just
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: have to work with it. With that Ragonian representation, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: imagine it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Was really cold too, because we know it's not summer,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: because they're like, this is a summer restaurant and it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: only open during the summer. But it's not summer right now,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: so why are people going in there? So it's like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: fall maybe winter, and they're still just like they're.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: So for the whole movie. And also most deaths from
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: hypothermia happen when it's in the forties, So very stressful.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I was stressed.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I do respect Richard Donner because it's like the only
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: thing that sounds harder than directing a movie that only
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: has twelve year old in it is wet twelve year old.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: It just sounds like the hardest task possible.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Horrible. Okay, So the Fertellies are right behind the Goonies,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and the Goonies are like rushing to get away from them.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: There's this piano related obstacle.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's the great feminist moment too. They're like, wait,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: woman play piano badly?
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, but it's allowed. Yeah. And then they finally
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: make it into the main cavern and find one Eyed
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Willy's pirate ship and all of his treasure. So they
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: start loading their pockets with the treasure, but uh oh,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the Forertellies show up. They take the treasure away. They're
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: about to kill the children, but then Chunk and Sloth
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: show up to save the day. There's, you know, a battle,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and the goonies escape back to the surface. Their parents
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: show up up, as do the rich people who are
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: trying to displace them for this second country club, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Mikey's dad is about to sign over their land, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: then it's revealed that they smuggled some jewels, at least
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: one of which is the Heart of the Ocean from Titanic, and.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: The close up shot of those jewels are so funny
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: because they're so visibly from like.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I party that they're like, we have it, the treasure,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, buddy, But it's enough.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Money that they don't have to turn over their land
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and so they live happily ever after. Chunk is like
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Sloth you can live with me and my family and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: everyone has like a nice reunion with their parents. The end.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Good recap.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Caitlin, Well, before we get started talking about the characters, Sarah,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I'm curious as an Oregonian you how does this fare?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: You mentioned that there's a lot of movies that take
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: place in Astoria specifically, I'm not aware there's a lot
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: of movies.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: That like take place and or are filmed there and so,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: and my favorite is Free Willie because there's like, right, oh,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: if there's endless scenes where they're like we're in Portland
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: under a bridge, we're in a Storia, We're in Pioneer Square,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: We're in Astoria, and it's like, yes, we all want
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: a story to be five minutes away, and yet it
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: isn't and we all have to live with that. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: then kindergarten copping, short circuit or the other to me,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: the biggest story of movie. So if you're like an
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: eighties movie buff, you can or eighties to early nineties,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: I guess you can knock out for biggies there and
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: also a green room, which we were.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Just talking about. Yeah, the opening was filmed there, and I.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Feel like it's just because like it's a very or
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: a story is a very picturesque city, so I feel
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: like it makes sense is a place that you would film.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: But I one of the things I love about this
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: as an Oregon movie is that I do feel like
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: it depicts our weather well, because like a lot of
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: movies that are set in organ either it'll be like
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: totally sunny and bone dry, like stand by Me, which
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: is great, we are bone dry in the summer. Love that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: But then when they're like it is Oregon and raining,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: it'll be like a Blade Runner downpour.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: And I love that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: The Goonies is like, no, everyone's just like moist and
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: you feel like shit.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And that's the whole thing, which I guess is why
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the kids are so unfazed to be constantly introduced into
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: new levels.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I don't.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Care kids just actually we don't actually sexually reproduce here.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Babies just like grow on fallen logs like mushrooms and.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: You just harm them.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's like a whole job industry. It's a whole industry.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why, because if you said the job named
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: baby harvester to me, that's just like not where my
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: mind would have gone. But maybe that's a me issue.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It's all about how you harvest the babies, right, there
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: is ethical about sustainability.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: This is like, I mean, it is always really cool
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: to feel a very specific sense of place with movies
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: like these. There is a big moment for my hometown
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: this year when the Anya Taylor Joy character in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Menu That's right ended up being from my hometown and
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: they said it as not a net negative, right, and
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: it was like people were just thrilled to think that
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: someone who's like as hot as Anya Taylor Joy could
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: come from where we live.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: It was pretty thrilling.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Uh So today is Groundhog Day. Happy Groundhog Day, everybody,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and Punk Satani. Pennsylvania is like a twenty minute drive
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: from my hometown, so that's kind of my home towns
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: claim to fame movie wise, But have.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You ever been to the the unsche thing of the.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: They don't they don't kill the crown Dog, right, I'm
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: confusing it with like when for some reason, the American
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: president like it like meets the turkey that he'll be
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: eating later in the day and it like for forgives it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happens. Apologize this forgids.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's the turkey. Pardon you, pardon the turkey. Yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: and then you know, you also have the option to
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: like chase the turkey across Paris for twenty years. Oh
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: wowt to like stop law breaking. You can do either one.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I think that that that should be something that's introduced
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: for every major holiday. The American president should have to
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: do that. For Santa Claus, oh my god, the Easter Bunny,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the Easter Bunny. Honestly, yes, I think so. I mean
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: for Easter, you could also bring out Jesus.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I mean he's gonna get it anyway. I guess it
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter if the president needs him.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Just an idea for.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Well, to answer your question, No, they don't kill the groundhog.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I can get to know they do.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: They take him out of his tunnel where I imagine
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: he's down there looking for buried treasure, and they're like they, hey, punks,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a tiny phil do you see your shadow? And he's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: always like, yes, I do. And so there's always six
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: more weeks of winter.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: And damn holiday. They should kill him. That would really
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: raise the steaks. I think you get more people out there. Yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: all right, they well, we wanted to desert by by
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: talking about the character of Sloth, because I mean, there's
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I think been sort of a wide variety of discussion
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: about the character of Sloth over the years. He's certainly
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: coded as having a disability and has been thoroughly like
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: rejected and abused by his own family as a result
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: of being disabled. I don't believe that we get any
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: specificity outside of the like the joke that Mama Frittelli
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: dropped him at least two times.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: And then he rightfully.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: And she's fine, and then Sloth rightfully tosses Mama Frutellia overboard.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Throw Mama from the Pirate Chefs swish. That was a
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: good joke if it was nineteen eighty eight, which it is.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Right. So, we've talked a lot a on the show
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: about disabilities being ascribed to villains in media as a
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: way to other them and further villainize them.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Interestingly, sometimes in the case of like pirate characters, where
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: there's kind of like an overlap there.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: True true, and this obviously has like horrible ablest implications.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: But even though Sloth is associated with the villains because
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: he's a part of the family, he ends up being
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: one of the heroes. He rejects his family for having
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: rejected him, like you said, they're wildly abusive to him,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and so there's this kind of subversion of that trope.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean, though, that the representation is great, obviously.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: It's so the actor playing Sloth is not a disabled actor,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and they used a lot of like makeup and prosthetics
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to turn John Mestusick into Sloth.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I felt like there were there were a lot of
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: tropes commonly associated with disabled characters kind of like all
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: kind of amalgamated into this one character where he has
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: like he's portrayed as like worthy of pity, he's ostracized
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: from his community. I do think it's like good that
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: he and Chunk connect as the misfits of their respective
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: groups and then like form a super alliance and save
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: the day. Like that is like is the coolest fucking
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: thing in the world. But the way he's initially presented
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: is like and also he has like super strength. They're
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: just like all of these sort of it feels like
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: random broad stereotypes kind of like thrown into his character.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: But the character is a.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Hero, right, so and then well, it also means that
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: like the most physically othered character in the movie is
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the most mistreated. And while there is a historical precedent
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: for people with like atypical physical traits or people with
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: disabilities to be mistreated, it doesn't mean that we need
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: to see that happening all the time, especially in a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: kid's movie, because like, drawing attention to a character's disability
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: in that way is the opposite of normalizing disability, which
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: is what we're aiming for.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I would be I mean, I would be curious to
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: hear sort of more more viewers' opinions spit oh no,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: specifically disabled listeners of their take, because I've seen sort
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: of a wide variety, Like I've seen a lot of
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: reclaiming arguments for Sloth, and like he's certainly like a
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: character that we're rooting for the entire time, but there's
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: like it's like his character's so mired in in all.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Of these stereotypes at the same time. For sure, it's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: like a very eighties dilemma.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's complicated, it is, all right, Well.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: That's the one.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The bummer portion of the evening.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: No, but I mean, I I think I do think
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: that Sloth in Chunk's relationship is really sweet and beautiful.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I mean I I I would say that I don't
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: think that like.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Slow's character was written with any intended malice, but that
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: in the eighties it was just like not well handled,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: and that there wasn't a lot of precedent for handling
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: or even really thinking very much about writing disabled characters,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: which is a net negative.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, I also wanted to bring up that
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Mikey has asthma uh and uses in an inherent oh
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: my god. I'm also.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You're looking for the word finger. You're right, yeah, uh.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: He uses an inhaler multiple times, and a respiratory disability
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: is often ascribed to villains in movies. Think of a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Morton Joe and mad Max Fury Road. You've got Darth
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Vader Baine in Batman. Is that an example? I don't
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: remember that A.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Milliday very well.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Whenever anyone says bane, you can just see a flicker
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: in a bunch of men's eyes of like, I have
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: an impression for that, and you're like, I'm sure you do,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: but I don't need to hear it. The year that
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that movie came out was like on par with the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: year Boat came out of just like, fourteen year old
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: boys are gonna have a fucking field day with this,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm never gonna hear the end of it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: It's also like anyone can do you just do a
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Sean Connery with too much spit in your mouth.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And then just pitch it downways we were talking about.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Mikey, yes, yes, yes, So just to say that, like,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it's not the case in the Goonies that a character
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: with like a respiratory illness or disability is one of
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the villains, because Mikey is the hero, he's the leader.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Although at the end he does there is like a
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: cast offline where he throws away his inhaler as if
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: this journey has cured him. So it is very thoroughly
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: the eighties in every single land. This true, But I
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: deah I noticed that as well. I think the last
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: element of this movie that's very deeply Eighties and still
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: discussed pretty frequently is how Chunk's character is treated, both
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: in his literal nickname and just how the character is,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: you know, repeatedly ridiculed for what.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: He looks like and for his body type.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: And that again, it's like there's obviously a huge precedent
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: for that in society. But it's like, especially with a
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: movie as successful as The Goonies, to have a fat
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: actor be repeatedly ridiculed by characters that we like in
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: a movie intended for children, that's not gonna move the
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: needle in any meaningful way. It's gonna make it worse right,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: because every I would say, every scene he's in, it's
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: either his friend's fat shaming him and making him do
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: some kind of like body shaming humiliation type of gag
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: like the truffle shuffle is an extreme example of this,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: or he's just always characterized as being famished.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: He's always thinking about food. He's like putting himself in
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: danger sometimes to be like, I'm so hungry, I don't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: even notice the danger around me.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I would say that the same thing kind of
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: happens with Andy's character where she's so horny for thanas.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I do think it's like a similar thing where it's like, oh.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Our like our leaning female character is so wildly horny
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: that she'll almost die constantly, and our only fat character,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: it's like it's it just it feels like a similar
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: kind of move. Yeah, is where I mean, I like
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: knew what the truffle shuffle was, even though I have
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: like avoided, not avoided, but I've managed to not see
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: this movie for three decades, and I still knew what
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the truffle shuffle was, again, mostly because of like men's
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: T shirts that I would see on the drum.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Was like, why am I looking at this? Who is
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: this child?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't seem I wanted to share really quickly
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: because down the line, I think this is just a
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: couple of years ago.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: The director of this movie, Richard.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Donner, who seems very very well loved by the entire cast.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: He's passed away since, but he and Jeff Cohen, who
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: plays Chunk, later did an interview about this scene because
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it had becomes so iconic. Jeff Cohen did not act
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: into adulthood. He's actually now like a really high powered
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Hollywood lawyer, and so sometimes people just they're like called Chunk,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like or.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Chunk will call me.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I want, my chunk will call your chunk.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Talk to my chunk.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that's such a fun thing to happen
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: to him every single day.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: But I didn't want to just like draw attention to
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: this interview because it because I do always like that,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: you know, when there are scenes and moments and tropes
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: like this, when people reflect on it later in a
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: more kind of thoughtful way, because that's really what we
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: are able to ask of them. Richard Donner said of this,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: of that scene, there was no direction. I don't take
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: any credit for that.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: It was just Jeff.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: He had to stand on that stump and be ridiculed
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: by his friend so he could come in the house,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: and he did it as best as that character could
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: do it. So much humor comes from pain. Although I'm
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: sure he was too young to be analytical about it,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: but I'm sure that was part of his instincts.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: It was a painful scene to film. And then later
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: in the interview, this does not make Richard Donner sound
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: very good.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: After the movie had finished rapping, he said that he
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: then got Jeff Cohen a gym membership and a tre.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Quote.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: He lost lots of weight and built this great physique
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: and became captain of his wrestling team in high school,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: captain of his football team and blah blah, blah blah blah,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and I don't know, I mean, I think that fucking sucks.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And uh, Jeff Cohen has uh.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Spoken to this a bit as well and said that, like,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: you know, it was like an embarrassing and like shameful
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: experience to be asked to do that also without direction,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: so it's like you're not even being really like protected
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: by your own director, and that like he was like
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: having you know, difficulty being teased already and then had
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: to do the scene on top of it.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing he said that was kind
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: of funny is he was like, I also had.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Chicken poxed at the time, Yes, And I read I
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: didn't want the kids to know I had chicken pox.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, two questions, are you allowed to go
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: to work with chicken pox?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Well that he I read that he didn't tell anyone
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: because he was afraid he would be fired and recast, so.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: He went to my god, yeah, well that is very upsetting.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to I mean, like, I think Jeff
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Cohen has since you know, very much moved on and
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: still has like very positive associations with the movie. But
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: it was just like interesting to kind of read those reflections.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Also. It's like if the director's like, yeah, it was
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a really uncomfortable scene to film, it's like maybe take
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a step back and wonder why, and then don't film
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the scene, like right. The other thing I wanted to
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: say about Chunk is that he's he's characterized as being
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: like the biggest scaredy cat of the group, in that
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: he's like not as tough or as brave as the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: other kids. He like gives up his friends immediately when
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the frtellies are like, what are you doing here? He's like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: we're looking for bury treasure and all my friends are
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: over there.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Well, he has to talk like that, he has to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: yell it's well, it's not so much.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: The volume is that he didn't even try to lie
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: about it. And I feel like this is a common
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: movie trope where especially in kids movie kids movies like
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: making a fat character the kind of like scared and
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: quote unquote wimpy kid. And we talked about this, I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: think on the Matilda episode, the way that media kind
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: of feminizes fat men or boys and masculinizes fat women
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: or girls. Not that that is a bad thing at all,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: but the movie wants you to think that that like
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: a like a female character or a fem a woman
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: would have like masculine traits. The like movies will be like, ooh, gross,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: because movies love binaries.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Even when it comes to cave bathrooms. It's gotta be
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: binary as possible.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: But I feel like the movies like, oh, look at
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: look at this wimpy, fat kid who is not as
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: brave or tough as his thin friends.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Which is ridiculous too, because it's like Chunk is consistently
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: right in a lot of situations where he's the one
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: that's like, yeah, don't go into the murder house, and
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: they're like, shut up, Chunk.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Chunk is right, right, He's correct,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't go into the murder house. You just shouldn't. Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I think that's like there's so much to love about
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: his character, and like there's so many elements in so
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: many moments where it's like this kid fucking rules, like
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: and it's just kind of like burdened with this other.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Very dated stuff.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: And also I never noticed this before, but like he's
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: the only character who's Jewish, and this is referenced many times. Yes, yes, yeah,
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: we love it. Yeah, I see you, Shana, and you're.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Like, that's so great that there's a Jewish main character.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: And also he's the scaredy cat liar who no one
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: likes like that sucks.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I mean, I didn't even catch that
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: on my first viewing because Chunk is already so thoroughly disrespected.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: That like that on top of eighties movies just like
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: make my head hurt. Honestly, it's just it's it's brutal.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the best character. Data Yeah, da no, no,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I love him.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Oscar for Data ter.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: So cool that Data is gonna win an Oscar, Like
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: next weeks he is.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: He doesn't win an Oscar, We're gonna some heads will roll.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: And that's not metaphorical.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: We'll all get the data punching vests.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Slippery shoes, like shoes, pictures of peril.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: His inventions are so cool.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I really, I just think he's like the coolest character ever.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: There are some line reads that are just like the
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: best thing I've ever heard. He falls through things multiple times,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: and I think the last time he falls through a surface,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: everyone else takes the stairs down.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: He's like, I spent months working on my inventions and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: my idea is God, it was just like the greatest
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: line rate I'd ever heard. It was just like amazing.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: He's the best.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: He's the best, and I did, like, I mean Data,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: there's like a number of times in the plot where
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Data is the only non white gooney. Yes, and he also,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: I mean I felt like, particularly for a movie of
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: the eighties, he's treated very equitably within the group. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: there's times because he is like the gadget kid that
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: like he's the only person that can get them out
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: of certain situations. There's like multiple plot points that couldn't
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: happen without It's like shoes that come or like whatever
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: those were. He's like, no, guys, don't worry, I have
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: cum shoes. You're like, all right, Data, let's see if
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: this works.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: And it does. It works the shoe.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: It's great because he's been getting up in the morning
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: and putting on all that gear like every day for years.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and waiting for it to pay waiting and.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: He knew that it would come, and this is the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: day and we get to be part of it. Yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: and it's all the same day. He has so many belts,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: so it's like, how many belts is this kid wearing?
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: He's more belt than boy.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I just yeah, I mean, his character is the greatest,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and I feel like at the end of the movie.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: You get to see I think almost every kid's parents
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: and them reunite with their parents, and Data by far
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: has like the most memorable, sweetest reunion with his parents
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: where he sees his dad and his dad's also a
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: gadget guy, and then like something is weird.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Invention isn't working. And then his dad says to Data,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: you're the greatest invention of all and you're like, oh.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Wow, sometimes calming is the greatest invention, and I was
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: reminded of that. I just really yeah, I just think
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Data is a perfect character.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: And I love him.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: He's great. Yeah, he's like the token minority friend in
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a otherwise like entirely white cast.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, this movie has Italians in it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: It's diverse.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: You're right, the diversity of Joey Pan.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And those characters are treated very respectfully. The Italian snow
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: notes there.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Great representation singing opera and doing crimes the whole movie,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: the whole spectruming Italian. You take a break from crime
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: to sing a little opera and then you're right back
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: to it. Ye yeah, but yeah, Data rocks is the
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: moral of the story.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Should we talk about the gals, Yes, let's do it
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: because there. I mean, I guess that that like brand
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: kind of like factors into that because Mikey and Brand
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: I quick mover. I really liked their like brother relationship.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: There's like specific scenes in these like Spielberg Ye Boys
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: on Bikes movies where I just it's so fun where
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: there's a moment where Thanos puts his arm around Sean Aston.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: It just kind of lovingly drags him off of a porch,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: which is like definitely something that kids do, but you
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: never see it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Like committed to the movie because you're you're why would
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Fanos do that? But I just loved it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, I would have done that
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: to my brother if you was sad, just been like
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: I love you and then drag him out.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I appreciated that that brother relationship dynamic. So
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: we have the two girls, Andy and Steph. They're not
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: part of the main Goonies group, at least at first,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: they like show up after the boys have already started
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the adventure there not even fully informed what they're doing
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: in this tunnel.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think, unclear if they know what the Goonies are.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Until she's convinced to not be removed from Hell. She's
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: like He's like, no, you're one of us now.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Right, and she's like okay, okay. Andy especially is often
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: having a meltdown in a way that felt very like
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: girls be screaming and scared kind of way.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, were I in hell, I
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: would be screaming and scared. However, yeah, the way that
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: like she's there's like that. There's like one particular meltdown
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: where I mean, I guess to contextually where she's coming from.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: She like is coming off of a situation where she
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: had been sexually harassed in a car by the guy
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: with the money visor. Yes, yeah, and she says that
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: he like tried to look down her shirt and she
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: like elbowed.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Him in the face.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Was that right?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she immediately went to hell, like she's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: just like having the worst day. That's what happens. Yeah, truly,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: it's really what if the movie is.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Canonically colonically it is canonically everyone has to say somethinger
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: filthy accidentally on this tour, But what if it's canonically
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: like all of her vision after she was trying to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: get out of the car with the money visor guy
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: and this is all kind of a fantasia that she's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: dreaming for all of us.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: It would give her more to do, But.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Even in her own fantasy, she's still a secondary character.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: She doesn't even handled it. That's how it is for me,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: you know, in my fantasies, I also don't get to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: kiss my crew.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: And the wrong person there is, like I don't know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: I think like Andy is she has like good moments.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like generally she is like sort of passed
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: over and done a disservice.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: But I do like that.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: You know, normally when you see cheerleader characters, they're not nice,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: they're like typed as like quote unquote bitchy mean characters.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Andy's a sweetheart.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I think that she's just often too horny to live
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: like that kind of is sort of something that happens
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: to her a lot.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I mean relatable for me, sure.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: But did Andy ever say she was a role model?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But why can't there be horny role models? You know
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: they are. Both of the girls are framed as love
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: interests for a number of characters because Brand likes Andy.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Mikey also seems to have a crush on her and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: is really excited when he kisses her. Accidental. That scene
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: is so weird, and then Steph ends up with Mouth
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: after they've both nugged each other relentlessly throughout the entire movie.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that Martha pp Limpton at one point
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: got so annoyed at Corey Feldman, who was famous annoying
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: that she like pushed him and.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he fell in the water.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: That's why he flopped because he was a voice. He's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: ducking a bunch. No, I yeah, I Steph.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: I thought like, I mean, I'm I feel like I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: connected to Steph where it's like she wears glasses and uh,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: that's the character. But I guess I was sort of
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: like of two minds about her, where she is like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: very much the voice of reason friend, but she has
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: like elements of like I think it's kind of fun
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: that she's diabolical enough to not tell her friend one
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: day because this is the wrong person. Like, there are
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: a few elements where you're like, well, this is pretty
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: specific to who this person is. You pointed out that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: like Mouth only becomes interested in her after her glasses break,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: and you're just like, well great.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Well, because you were like yeah, You're like, oh, it's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: it's nice that like the best friend character who wears
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: glasses gets a love interest because that normally doesn't happen.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, but she only becomes love
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: interest after she loses her glasses, So glasses people don't
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: deserve love, according.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: To movies, said Caitlin Duran, confidently, making eye contact with
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: someone wearing glasses.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: You it's all fine, isn't her love interests?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Like twelve, Yeah, it's like you can find love after
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: you can't see, and then it's a good thing that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: you can't see because you're gonna get hooked up with
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: a seventh grader.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Also, at the end, when Andy goes to Mikey and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: she's like he's a weirdo, She's like, you keep kissing
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: girls the way you do, you won't have any problems
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: and the parts of you that don't work will catch
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: up with the ones that do. I'm like, what does
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: she mean?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Right in your journal, there's like, I mean.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: There's.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: We have like I feel like it's in the past
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: five years that we've stopped making movies for kids. We're
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: like a twelve year old boy he gets to make
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: out with a femo character who's like, clearly way too
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: old for him. Yeah, like if you remember blank check,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: that's a whole other conversation that was brutal.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: That's like sand lot.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, uh it is. It is just an
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: absolutely uh weird line.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: And then everyone's their parents are watching when she says that,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, yeah, whatever, that means probably normal.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: That was really nice of you to say that to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: that boy. That'll means something to him. He'll think of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: it every night.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: And then she just turns around and starts making out
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: with Brand again, and Brand is also like does he
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: know that happened? Like it's so.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Andy is Ultimately I just think kind of a weird character.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: The last thing I want to say about her. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: then we have we gotta do our fun activity.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: We have an activity.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is her first kind of like meltdown, which again
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: I understand why she's kind of like, you know, like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: panics when she's brought to hell, but her reaction is
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: like she's like, I wouldn't be here if I had
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: like just let Troy look at my body. I'm gonna
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: die here and is my body beautiful? And I was like,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: again a journal more of a journal thing.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: Save it for your one woman show. At the Historia
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: Playhouse where Clark Gable got his start. It's true, really, yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: wild Oregonian, real, real shitty guy. Let's move on. Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: And it's also like, I think that the most important
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: thing was scenes like that where we were like, oh,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to what to make of that.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: You just had to picture Chris Columbus at his house
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: writing it down and you're like, no, that's a weird
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: line of dialogue. Chris Columbus on a fucking like old
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: word processor that's like the size of a building, being like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: my body is not beautiful.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Of He's like, this is how girls think, right, I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'll never talk to one.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: He's like, and print we got another classic and he.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Was right, many opens up another file and he's like,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: how do I solve this babysitting movie?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: They're forced to sing the blues perfect like it's just
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Chris Coloves is an interesting character.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: The last thing I want to say about Andy is
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I was surprised that she was able to like have
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: that moment where she contributed a skill and I got
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: them out of peril. I was not expecting that at all.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I will say though, that the things that the boys
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: are doing to overcome the obstacles are more like physical
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: things and hers is more artistic, which feels a little
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: tropy of like boys are tough and they do sporty
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: they get to swashbuckle, and girls are fragile so they
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: play piano.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean she doesn't do it well. I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: make it worse.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: And then Brand is like, why couldn't I have a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: little sister. I would never be in this mess if
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I had a sister. As if don't like to go
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: on adventures as a sister, as if a sister couldn't
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: lead you directly to hell.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: She knows the way she's feeling in her bones.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I led my siblings straight to hell all the time.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, exactly.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, So this is when we in the live show,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: when we went into that special segment where we did
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the trivia game with Sarah Marshall again. You can see
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that segment if you you know, buy access to the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: on demand version of the show on the link tree
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: is where you can find the tickets to access that.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: But we wanted to also take this opportunity to add
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: in a chunk haha, get it, chunk of discussion that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: we didn't have time to get to during the live show,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: so we are doing it now.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, and you may recall if you attended our Seattle
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: show that we did talk about it at our Seattle show,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: but it just makes more sense to do it in
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: this way. We wanted to talk about the character of Rosalina,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: played by iconic character actor Lupe and Taveros.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, so she is hired by Mikey and Brand's mom
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: to like help them move. And basically what's happening with
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: this character is that a number of stereotypes about people
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: from Latin America are employed with this character. Yes, she
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: cannot speak English. She is present in the story to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: service the white characters. She's in a role where she's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: like the hired help, and a ton of jokes are
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: made at her expense because she doesn't know English. And
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: so what happens is Mouth is asked to translate Mikey's
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: mom's instruction to Rosalita, and.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Then he mistranslates it, and it's like all of the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: jokes are probably I mean, I would be interested in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: how this was handled internationally, but all of for English
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: speaking audiences, all of the jokes are in the the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: lower thirds are in the subtitles about how he is
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: misleading her, and it's like the joke is at is
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: both at Rosalita's expense and also just done to like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: elevate Mouth's character as like a little stinker. Like it
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: is just it's reductive in every way that you could
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: imagine not to like and and and it isn't like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: the same amount of like punitive shame is not applied
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: to Mikey and Brand's mom for not being able to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: communicate with Rosalita, right, like they are having the same
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: communication barrier, but it is in a very racist way,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: like leveraged at rosal Like she's the one who suffers
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: for it and is mocked for it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's his mouth being cruel because it's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: him like deliberately mistranslating what Mikey's mom is saying in
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: order to like freak Rosalita out, because he's saying things like, oh,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: this is where they keep the like cocaine stash, and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: this is where the sex torture chamber is and stuff
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: like that. So it's just him being cruel to a character.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: And just like again, the joke is at the expense
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: of someone not knowing English.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Right, and then Rosalita does come back at the end
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: of the movie with those really fake looking jewels that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: they find. Yeah, but again it's it's even though that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: she's not mocked in that moment. She's very much like
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: a tool for the scene versus being treated as a character,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: because you would think, right, you know, if I'm Rosalita
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: and I've only been treated like shit this entire time,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: I'm pocketing these jewels and getting the fuck Maybe if
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling nice, I'll slip them one. But like, that's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: not on the mind of this movie, because this movie
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: is not considering her in any way, like you would
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: think she would get at least something, But it's like this,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: that's just not the consideration that this movie is giving
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: anyone who is not the main cast. And I think
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: it's so, I don't know, it's very eighties. I wanted
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: to We talked about this at the Seattle Show Lupe
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: and Deavero's like she I think, most famously, at least
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: to me, played Yolanda in the Selena movie with Jennifer Lopez,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: but for the most part, her career in Hollywood has
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: consisted of roles like these, to the point where she
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: made a documentary about it called Made in America, because
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: she had played a maid at least one hundred and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: fifty times on stage in screen and is a huge
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: advocate for wanting to see more and better roles available,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: not that I'm maid is a bad role, but like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: a more diverse amount of roles available to Latin actors.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: She said, quote, I'm proud to represent those hands that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: labor in this country. I've given every maid I've ever
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: portrayed soul and heart, which is absolutely true and comes
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: through even when the writing is not giving.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Her what she deserves.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: But I just wanted to She's she's a legend, and
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: it is frustrating to see her have to receive these underthought, underwritten,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: very stereotypical and racist roles.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: So shout out to Rosalita.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love you.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: And then the other thing that we didn't get to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: talk about during the live show that we wanted to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: touch on really quick was class.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the whole story unfolds because these kids who
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: are from working class families are being forcibly removed from
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: their homes in favor of a cuntry club being built,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: which is a very eighties premise where it's like there's
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: a country clubs, there's a shopping but something like that.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: It's a yeah, very eighties threats. They're feel quaint now
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: but still bad.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: The world is on fire. No, but this is like
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: a legitimate issue. Although I will say that, you know,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: people being displaced from their homes and forced to relocate
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: disproportionately affects people of color and indigenous people, and as
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: we discuss, these kids are mostly white, with the exception
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: of data, but it's still I think worth mentioning that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: class plays a big part in this movie. It's a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: major theme that again, these working class kids they have
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: to go on this journey just so they don't have
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: to leave their homes and have their lives be uprooted.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: And we see them talking at the beginning like they're
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: lamenting that, like this is the last time they're ever
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: going to see each other and they're gonna have to
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: go to different schools and be kind of torn apart.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that is one of the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: things that I know this isn't the Spielberg movie technically,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: but it's very Spielberg codd Its fingerprints are very much
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: ropes it. Yeah, and I think that that is something
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: that is pretty consistent throughout this era of Spielberg is that,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: like it does generally, the unfortunate part is it always
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: focuses on white boys. But in terms of class representation,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like you do see a lot of working
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: class or lower middle class like families just getting by,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: which is something that I don't think you see in
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: big Hollywood movies as much these days, and so it's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: always kind of nice to see it.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: And back to the show, folks, Yeah, all right, wow,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: give ever Sarah Marshall one more time, really.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Really well, don.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: We just have two questions we answer at the end
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: of every Bechdel Cast. I feel like I'm gonna choke.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to talk?
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  Speaker 2: Does the movie pass that Bechelton?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it does, right, Like, there's like arguably
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  Speaker 3: a very very small exchange between Steph and Andy that may,
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  Speaker 3: but I think spiritually it really just doesn't. But most importantly,
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  Speaker 3: there's one unquestionable metric that's never been wrong before, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the Bechdel Cast nipple scale.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, give it up.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like you were gonna like throw something any better.
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  Speaker 1: Clap for the nipple scale. It is a scale of
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  Speaker 1: zero to five nipples on which we write the movie
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  Speaker 1: looking at it through an intersectional feminist lens. I think
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  Speaker 1: that despite some kind of like reclaimable things from the
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  Speaker 1: movie regarding certain characters, overall it doesn't do very well.
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  Speaker 1: It has eighties movie written all over it. And I
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  Speaker 1: think I would only give it like a half nipple,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give it to Kiqui Kwan, Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: he's the best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go one nipple because I'm feeling. I'm
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  Speaker 3: feeling so I had a hot dog iment, a good
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  Speaker 3: mood and going to I mean, yeah, I think that there, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like you're saying, there, there are reclaimable elements. We didn't
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  Speaker 3: get to talk about the racism applied towards the only
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  Speaker 3: Latin character in the movie. We will talk about that
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  Speaker 3: off Mike later or on Mike in a different state, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that there is like some diversity
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  Speaker 3: in this movie, but it's like barely any and not
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  Speaker 3: you like, more often than not, not handled particularly well.
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  Speaker 3: And the women are so horny, which is a relatable thing.
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  Speaker 3: But like we talked about it, you understand what I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying I do feel like I'm getting like the meat
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  Speaker 3: sweats a little bit right now, and so it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like freaking me out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I would I would.
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  Speaker 3: Give this movie one nipple, and I'm gonna give it
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: to Carl who brought me a hot talk, give.
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  Speaker 2: Feminist icon Carly to Sarah.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm, one nipple, way way up. One.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's I mean, it's like it's so riddled
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  Speaker 4: with the problems of its era. But also I walked
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  Speaker 4: sixteen candles yesterday, and so like within the eighties it
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  Speaker 4: feels I don't know, it's like that there's like a
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  Speaker 4: whole other length long conversation to be had about like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: eighties meanness and what do we do with it? But like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the the sort of like generalized like maliciousness
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  Speaker 4: culturally of the decade is so there, but like malice
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  Speaker 4: by characters doesn't feel so pronounced in the way that
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  Speaker 4: it does elsewhere, which is like a terrible scale to
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  Speaker 4: jug John. But yeah, whoo, who would you like to
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  Speaker 4: give your nipple too?
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  Speaker 2: I want to give my nipple to Alfred Molina. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: who deserves it. Oh he would have been he could
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: have been, he could have been any part of the part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have been Mikey.
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  Speaker 4: He could have been Andy, you know, just like Corny
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  Speaker 4: in a tunnel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would have been really fun if this
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: movie was about four twelve year olds and Alfred Molina
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  Speaker 3: playing a twelve year old.
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  Speaker 2: I think it would have been really special. He's kind
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  Speaker 2: of fifteen. With Alfred Molina, you can do it.
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  Speaker 4: He has the ring.
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  Speaker 2: We deserve it, or maybe we're not worthy of it.
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  Speaker 3: None of the rest of us do. Thank you, Oh
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, I thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Marshall, the greatest person ever. Give it up for
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  Speaker 3: yourselves for coming out, not for.
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  Speaker 1: at the beautiful Curious Comedy Theater.
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• 1:19:46
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• 1:19:50
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• 1:19:53
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• 1:19:57
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• 1:20:00
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• 1:20:04
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• 1:20:52
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• 1:20:56
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  Speaker 2: Make good choices and have a good day.
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  Speaker 1: Bye bye bye.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I have a fever.