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Sean McCorkle: Morella's Forest · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Today, we've got Sean from Moreles Forrest. Just super excited
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: to chat with you. Sean. I'll be honest, Colin and
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: I grew up tooth and nail kids, whereas tooth and
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: Nail as they come. I mean, I would imagine most
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: of our audience are They probably only listened to us
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: because we're tooth and nail kids. So we're tooth and
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: nail kids. I will say that even like bands kind
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: of before I got into Tooth and Nail, and maybe
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: even left the label by that point. By the time
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: I got into Tooth and Nail, like, even those bands
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty aware of. For whatever reason, I had never
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  Speaker 1: heard of you guys, and I feel like I have
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  Speaker 1: the whole like roster, like even historic roster of Tooth
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  Speaker 1: and Nail all memorized. But for whatever reason Morella's for
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  Speaker 1: it's just like totally just doesn't ever come to mind.
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  Speaker 1: It never occurred to me that you guys were on
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  Speaker 1: Tooth and Nail. Yeah, it was just I just totally
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  Speaker 1: missed you all. And and so when Cullen invited you
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: on and we got the scheduled, I started listening to
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: you guys as stuff, and I was like, oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, we're so far ahead of your time, especially
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: when it comes to like Tooth and Nail scene. You
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: guys were so far ahead of your time, and so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just really stoked knowing sort of retroactively how incredible
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  Speaker 1: you all were. So I'm just excited for you to
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  Speaker 1: be on the podcast. So I don't know if that
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  Speaker 1: feels like a little dig no man, just sort of
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  Speaker 1: learning about you guys now, But I'm a huge fan.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot believe that I missed you all, especially the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you guys were Tooth and Neil.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's been I mean, that's been a long time
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  Speaker 2: since we released some of that stuff, so I get it.
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  Speaker 2: But we love anytime people discover our music, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's now or in the future or how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: But it is wild, even just talking to people online,
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  Speaker 2: how many people are kind of discovering our music for
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  Speaker 2: the first time. And a lot of our music came
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: out like mid nineties, so that just kind of blows
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: my mind that people are now and it.
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  Speaker 3: Does seem like kind of the style.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said before, I guess in a sense, we
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  Speaker 2: were kind of ahead of our time because it seems
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of newer bands are kind of emulating
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  Speaker 2: that style, which I love. It's amazing to see. So
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  Speaker 2: there does seem to be like a shoegaze like noise
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  Speaker 2: pop type of sound. That's really I see newer bands
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  Speaker 2: all the time kind of emulating that style. So it's
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  Speaker 2: I'm onboard. It's cool.
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  Speaker 4: I would go even so far as to say that
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  Speaker 4: you guys were just dripping with cool factor and it's
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  Speaker 4: it's like an effortless cool that was way too cool
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  Speaker 4: for the Christian scene you guys were in.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, because it's like, I just
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  Speaker 2: felt like we were playing music that we love.
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  Speaker 3: We liked a lot of British bands growing up, like.
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  Speaker 2: Lush Ride. I'm not sure if you guys are familiar
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  Speaker 2: with those. Those all came out like mid nineties to
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: the coctau Twins. But when I think about it and now,
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  Speaker 2: it is stuff that probably a lot of Christian kids
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  Speaker 2: weren't familiar with. But at the same time, it is
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  Speaker 2: all so cool that we got to expose them to
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  Speaker 2: something different, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, well then one of the things, oh good,
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  Speaker 5: I would say, like, you know, there's there's other groups
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  Speaker 5: that kind of took up the mantle as well and
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  Speaker 5: maybe did a similar vibe.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you feel like like Starflyers work and
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  Speaker 4: right like that sounds a lot a lot of like
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  Speaker 4: similar vibes. It is interesting to me just how how
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  Speaker 4: it feels like this is music that was made yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: not music that was made in nineteen ninety five, nineteen
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  Speaker 4: ninety eight and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's yeah, again, it's it's funny that you say that,
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  Speaker 2: because somebody just told me that recently. They're like, man,
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  Speaker 2: with your artwork and the music, it seems like something
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  Speaker 2: that could have been a year ago, you know, or recently.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like just stoked to hear that, of course.
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  Speaker 2: But are you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Similar with Tooth and Nail News the guy doing.
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  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, Cameron, I always forget who's behind that, But.
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  Speaker 2: Cameron George, he said to tell you you guys hello.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, he likes podcasts a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Cameron, Cameron, he always will reach out to us,
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  Speaker 1: and he seems like a really great guy.
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  Speaker 2: Great. Well, that's who I was talking about as far
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  Speaker 2: as Morel's horse, because he was incredibly young when we
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: came out so he didn't remember it, but his dad's
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: like awesome his death, like a huge z.
• 5:23
  Speaker 3: Oh Norma Jean fan, and he's like.
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  Speaker 2: Just like an encyclopedia of teeth, like for like a
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  Speaker 2: tell this kid's like twenty four twenty and he can.
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  Speaker 1: Just no way really.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's incredible his knowledge, Like even the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know about that came out and season
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  Speaker 2: now he knows about.
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  Speaker 4: It's okay. So that's like the coolest thing in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Because Mason and I were literally just having this discussion
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  Speaker 4: last night. Yeah, we were talking about how if you
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  Speaker 4: had a cool dad that listened to cool music, like
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  Speaker 4: you got this kid, you got such a leg up.
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  Speaker 2: Good for good for him, it's amazing. He's gonna have
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  Speaker 2: we did a video. I'll send you a link or
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  Speaker 2: something for it on his on the Roster Music Club
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  Speaker 2: and he's kind of helping with that that podcast as well.
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  Speaker 2: Kill And.
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  Speaker 3: It was so funny because.
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  Speaker 2: His dad was like a huge like po d Van
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  Speaker 2: Norma Jean and he's like, who's this Morello's for? You
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  Speaker 2: have no idea who we were, But after you hear it.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, I get it because he kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of like you were saying, he remembered it, but he
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  Speaker 2: didn't remember much about the music. So it's yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: love it. It's cool, And I've been able to discover
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  Speaker 2: a lot of newer bands that came out after roles
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  Speaker 2: for some Tooth and the l Lately. Yeah, Cameron knows
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  Speaker 2: all these new bands like you know my epic you
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  Speaker 2: name them, I mean all these really interesting sales.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hell yeah.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to get into the legacy of Morella's force,
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot to say there, especially
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: given the fact that you guys, you know, especially within
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: the Tooth and Nail scene, and your guys a sound.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's some really good questions there. But before
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  Speaker 1: we get into that, what I'm really curious about is
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  Speaker 1: just like, how did you get into music to begin with?
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  Speaker 1: Like you, I would imagine that one like yourself doesn't
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: just immediately start playing shoegaze, right, There's some development, there's
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: some sort of evolution that happens towards that. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how did you get into music? How did you eventually
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: get into wanting to even maybe create this sort of
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  Speaker 1: shoegaze type of music.
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  Speaker 2: So, growing up, my dad was a radio DJ, so
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  Speaker 2: me and my younger brother. My younger brother played in
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: Morella's Horse Too, who was the drammer. Yeah, so we
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: were exposed to music, you know, like super Some of
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  Speaker 2: my earliest memories was my dad just playing records on
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  Speaker 2: the weekends.
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  Speaker 1: You know, So did you get did you and your
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  Speaker 1: brother because you were playing bass, Like, did you and
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  Speaker 1: your brother have like this like telepathy that's even beyond
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  Speaker 1: like a typical like rhythm section of a band because
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: you were brothers.
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  Speaker 3: In what sense? I'm not sure what you're asking.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, Like you typically see, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you see a really good band that has a
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  Speaker 1: really good rhythm section, like those guys are always they're
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  Speaker 1: in sync with one another. But if you're literally in
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  Speaker 1: the rhythm section with your brother, like maybe maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: just another level of insynctness that happens. But I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm totally off.
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  Speaker 2: No, I could get helped, absolutely, I mean we sincd
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  Speaker 2: up pretty good. The interesting party is my brother was
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  Speaker 2: so young when we started. We had to like sneak
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  Speaker 2: am in if we played a bar that he couldn't
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  Speaker 2: even get in. He was like seventeen and I was
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  Speaker 2: like probably twenty at the time. Well now I'm four
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  Speaker 2: years older, so it was like twenty one. But my
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  Speaker 2: brother couldn't even get in some places if we didn't
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  Speaker 2: play a church or effect, you know, we played a bar.
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  Speaker 2: Mom and dad had to kind of command.
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  Speaker 1: But looks funny, that's incredible. Did you did you guys
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  Speaker 1: ever have like any good Like, you know, there's band fights,
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  Speaker 1: but then there's like your brother's in the band, and
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  Speaker 1: that's like a whole other type of fight. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did you guys do like the whole Like I'm always
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  Speaker 1: forgetting their names from Oasis? Yeah, the Gallaghers, Yeah, do
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  Speaker 1: you do any of the Gallagher type of fights?
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  Speaker 3: We we would.
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  Speaker 2: We would get angry to each other just because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: our big thing was just who got the front seat
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  Speaker 2: in the van when we were traveling. It was like
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  Speaker 2: we'd fight for no we'd call it, you know, even
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  Speaker 2: before our show was over. We'd be letting up the
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  Speaker 2: van and I'd be like, no, brought see shotgun?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, shotgun, he'd call it.
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  Speaker 2: And then yeah, if one of us got in there
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  Speaker 2: before the other, Yeah, that definitely cast some fights.
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  Speaker 4: So sure, if you're roughing it today, you're probably driving
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  Speaker 4: like a nineteen nineties Ocano van or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: What was Morella's forest rolling around in in nineteen ninety.
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  Speaker 3: Eight, A great question. We rented forever.
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  Speaker 2: We just rented van, but eventually we bought a van
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  Speaker 2: and it was a blue like fifteen passenger. We like
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  Speaker 2: renovated the back. This is a funny story. My brother
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  Speaker 2: put like some shelving in it so we could store
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: some equipment under it, and then we would kind of
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: lounge out underneath it. And when he did that, he
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: accidentally drilled into the the gasm wine somehow. Yeah, so
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: initially gas would leak in. Well, no, initially it must
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: have been a really small use because we never noticed
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: it initially when he did it, But I remember months
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: later we would always be like, gosh, those fumes. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it would be like, is it the muffler? What's going
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  Speaker 2: And finally we found out he had a dron a
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  Speaker 2: hole in the actual gas tank. So we were all
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: like probably high by the time we were getting to
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  Speaker 2: some of these kicks. Yeah, we had no idea done
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: it initially, but yeah, it was funny.
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  Speaker 1: How in a miracle you guys are still alive? Like
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: good thing you didn't like light up while you're in there? Yeah,
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: well that is that that's the benefit of being a
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  Speaker 1: Christian band, right.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes there were cigarettes, So yeah, that is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a miracle.
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  Speaker 4: I guess there you go, that God was with us.
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  Speaker 4: What can I say?
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  Speaker 1: You incredible? Well yeah, so I mean it sounds like,
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: you know, you you really just started out playing music,
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  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, what what was maybe what were there
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  Speaker 1: like other shoegaze bands at that time, like hey, I
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  Speaker 1: really want to do this kind of thing, Like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what was the impetus or what was the inspiration to
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  Speaker 1: really want to do that kind of particular right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, initially me and the guitar player Sean Johnson were
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: in the same Yeast group and we He kind of
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  Speaker 2: was the one that spearheaded me into like any kind
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: of interest in playing bass. And then we had another
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  Speaker 2: guy that was really involved in the East group named
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Darryl Moore, and he's the guy I'll never forget. We
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: were going on a youth trip and he's like, man,
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  Speaker 2: you got long fingers, maybe you should play the bass.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like I'm like sixteen, I'm like okay, sure,
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: you know, So eventually we started practicing at our church,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a band way before Morell's Force. It
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: was just kind of a rock and roll band. Hell yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Sean and me, just as we got a little
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: bit older, started to listen to I mean early on
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  Speaker 2: it was probably you two and the Police stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then as we got a little bit older, we
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: started being influenced by a lot of the British bands,
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  Speaker 2: like I was saying before, like Lush Curve, the Coctau Twins,
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Jesus and Mary Chain, a lot of that stuff. So
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: that kind of helped, Yeah, definitely influence our direction and
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  Speaker 2: what we wanted to do it.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Like my Bloody Valentine and like Slow Dive Dive and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they would have been coming out around that time too
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know if they had any influence or not, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I remember going to see Slow Die with
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  Speaker 2: him in Ohio and we were just like, how does
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  Speaker 2: a guitar? I mean, I was literally blown away because
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  Speaker 2: it would just I didn't I've never heard guitars sound
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  Speaker 2: like that, you know. I'm like twenty one or twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, how are they made? I mean and
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  Speaker 2: they're barely That's what's wild about a lot of that music.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of it had so many effects that they're
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: barely even strumming the guitar hard, but it's just processed
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  Speaker 2: enough and they're having the right chords that it just
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: sounds like a wall. I was just like, whatever this is,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do something like this, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it just kind of blew my mind.
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  Speaker 4: So so I've always noticed that, even even on like
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  Speaker 4: your early records. And I'm not trying to toot your
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  Speaker 4: un horn for you, but you've got a very musical
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: bass style, and it makes me think that maybe maybe
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  Speaker 4: you weren't just a guy with long fingers that could
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: get his hands around a bass easily. I think there
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: was something else that somebody saw in Yea or that
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  Speaker 4: you had experimented with in a in a very interesting way,
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  Speaker 4: because you don't just play root notes like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of bassis would. I mean, you're you're playing with the
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  Speaker 4: melody a lot more than what most bassis would in
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  Speaker 4: most bands, I would say, And maybe that's like a
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  Speaker 4: trope or maybe that's like a part of kind of
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: shoegaze noise rock kind of stuff. But is that something
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  Speaker 4: that that you intentionally set out to do yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that it was intentional. I think it
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: just kind of made sense when we.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Were rehearsing and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I've always been influenced more by melat Do you
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: guys are familiar with New Order, I'm sure right, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Well I always loved their bass player and he always
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: played the bass more melodically and you know, really high
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  Speaker 2: on the neck, not just standard notes up high in that.
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  Speaker 2: I was definitely influenced by that. You know, Jonathan Ford,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I always liked what he did from on Weed too.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's a hell of a bass player. So this ye,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: stuff that was you know, that I loved and just
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: seem to come natural when we recorded.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna ask, like, within especially like shoegaze,
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  Speaker 1: the noise pop world, it's not as if that kind
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  Speaker 1: of music is as bass forward as maybe other genres,
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, think of a genre like like funk
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  Speaker 1: or even like new metal, where there's this real kind
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  Speaker 1: of rhythmic style to it, where obviously you really have
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  Speaker 1: to be based forward in those types of bands, But
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  Speaker 1: shoegaze doesn't, at least am I at least the sort
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  Speaker 1: of shoegaze bands I've listened to that's not really the
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  Speaker 1: more pronounced instrument. But what I will say is it's
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: pretty noticeable when there's a bad bass player in a
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  Speaker 1: shoegaze band, and so it's one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: you kind of like almost have to be good enough
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: to be unnoticeable. I don't know if that was kind
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of a sense that you experienced, like, or if that
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: was a thing that you maybe experience as you were
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: playing in this band, playing bass in this band. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if that's the thought you've had,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: but at least that's been my experience with with shoegaze,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: especially with their basis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good question, honestly, Mason, because it's.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I think you're a product of your.
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  Speaker 2: Environment and what you listen to you back then, but
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I just I wanted to always try to do something
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  Speaker 2: creative and something that you know, I know that I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: would enjoy listening, and luckily.
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  Speaker 3: Other people did too, you know. That was the blessing
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  Speaker 3: about the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: And just uh, and again, like you were saying earlier,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we were. It's just funny because when
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I hear music now I'm like, god that what it
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: did seem so kind of ahead of the tide. But again,
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  Speaker 2: we were just people that enjoyed that kind of music
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  Speaker 2: and it just were So I'm just thankful what worked
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: out the way it did.
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  Speaker 4: So so how did the rest of the band come together,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: especially when I think of like Sydney for example, I mean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: she had has one of the most interesting voices that
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: just perfectly matches Morella for Morella's Forest altogether, I would
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: say it is how how did she come into the
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: scene and how is she received at that time by
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: crowds and by and by contempt.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: We really got lucky with Cindy because again it was me,
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  Speaker 2: my good friend Sean Johnson on guitar. And then initially
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I was playing guitar when the band first started, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: we had a bass player, but he had a weird
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: work schedule, so we're like, uh, Sean, it is your
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: turn to play bass. So I ended up picking up
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the bass at that point. And then Sid we found
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: it like a local record store. This is how long
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: ago that was. We just hung up a flyer.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: And we said, must like these bands.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And there was a guy that had dated Sydney at
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: one point he's like, I may have just the girl
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: for you guys, and we're like, okay, we had no
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: idea this lady was.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: So she shows up. She was just I love the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: way she.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Like processed songs and stuff, because she showed up and
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: she just had like a little notepad and she would
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: write down like notes and stuff we were playing, or
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: she would record the songs, you know, on a little
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: tape recorder and then she'd go back. And I remember
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the first time she came and just gave us a
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: melody to the song, and it just was like we
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: were all like this, this is what we want. This
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: is perfect. She loved them. I mean, I don't know
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that she had sang any music like that before, but
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: it worked out perfectly.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I would say that's That's probably the thing
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: that sets Marilla's for us apart from many of your
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: genre contemporaries, more than anything, was that Sidney had a
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: voice that needed to be heard and it comes through
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: so so seamlessly, like you designed it that way.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have get I wouldn't have guessed that it
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: was just by happen chance that you stumbled across her.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I just think again, if you sometimes you just get
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: a right formula or people that you enjoy playing music
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: with and it clicks. Man, And I think that's exactly
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: what happened with us. We were just kind of a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: time period where we were huge music fans and knew
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: we wanted to play music, and we really got lucky
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: with Sid when I think about it, because I don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: know that it would have been a saying with somebody
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: else singing. Probably not, so did you guys?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Were you guys were experimenting at all with like any
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: other vocalist before she came into the band.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: That's what's so wild?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Not really, No.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, were you guys even like thinking about just
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like kind of being a post rock band or something,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: or was it something where you were like, Okay, we
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: do need eventually a vocalist, but you just were.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: No, we always knew that we needed a vocalist, but
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: some of our favorite bay at that time very just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: happened to have female singers. So that's why we Again,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: when we hung up that flyer, we didn't even necessarily
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: know that it would be a female singer. But again,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I think it was just really good timing and luck
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: we found and said so yeah, well, I'm trying to remember,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: like obviously the main songwriter and singer for Slow Dive
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: as a guy.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: But I want to say they have like a long
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like a long term woman in that band too that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: sometimes sings, and she's got a really Yeah, it's a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: similar I wouldn't say it's a similar voice to Sydney's,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: but she's got a really great voice for that type
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of you know, shoegayzy music as well.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: They her name is Rachel got aswell, and they get
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: her and the other guy, Neil, the guitar player, both
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: kind of trade off vocals. But yeah, it works amazing
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: for them. They're they're still going strong, and man, they
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: write some amazing stuff.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: If he ever just had an album just come out
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: recently too, Yeah, Last Irritate It's incredible.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Man, It's as good as any of the stuff they
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: wrote in the nineties. Yeah, definitely check it out if
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you haven't heard it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, speaking of of of Sydney. And you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: we're kind of jumping ahead here, but there's kind of
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a mystery that we need the Internet to help us solve,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: and that's no one knows where Sid's at right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's a million dollar questions.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so can you.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Like tell us how like what happened, like like she disappeared,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: And then it's it's kind of I can't. I can't
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: even find her on the interwebs. Looked.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: It's funny.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You know the band Luxury, right, Yeah, for sure, there's
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the bass player did like a deep dive. So did
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Jeremy gold from the rumors are true. He said it,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: say what's up by the way, he had a deep
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: dive a couple of years ago and none of us
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: could find her. Yeah, the last time she was seen
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: with two thousand and ten, I think, And we didn't
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: want to get morbid right away, but Chris even checked
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: out the obituaries. By thank god, she was definitely not
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in there. But it's kind of weird. She this is
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a wild story.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: She grew up in.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Dayton, where we all did Morel's Forest, and about a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: year ago I went up there to see some old
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: friends and I went to her house where we always.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Knew that she lived.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You know, again, we've all kind of lost contact with
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: her a long time ago, and there was cars in
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the dryway. I go up, I knock on the door.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I left the no, you know, it was called toughing,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: So I'm not even sure that she's at that house,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all kind of a mystery.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well okay, so that's yeah, go ahead.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It begs a lot of questions that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: It does it does we need help from from the
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: rest of the internet.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Do you know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Podcast?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: You?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Do you have any idea who Scott Hatches.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: The name is familiar.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Labeled. He still does called Burnt Toast It out of Pennsylvania.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But he's always gonna want to do a documentary.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: He's fascinated by the whole thing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: He's like, where is she?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: What has she been doing? And I wish I could
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: give her more information, but it's nobody seems to know
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: where she is.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: What maybe she was like a Russian spy or like
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: a sight agent or something like that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I could see her she was. She was a sweeteart
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: super kind of people. But I could see her just
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: being at a point where she's like, nah, I'm good,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be bothered with you know what
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean? She was always a very kind of That's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: what blew me away that she decided to be a singer,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: because off stage I mean she was so shy and quiet.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: But again, when we'd be at a show, she would
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: we'd all be loading up the van and she'd be
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the last one to want to leave because she talked
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to everybody that was there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: She was a sweetheart, really good person, but.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Just not the typical type of singer, you know, definitely
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: more on the shy side.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Interesting, is it something where like when you guys kind
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of broke up in two thousand and two, was it
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: something where like you lost contact? Then? Like I'm I'm
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: like wanting to do like sweething stuff right now, Like
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: what where?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: What?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Like where do we lose contact? Where was when's the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: last time she's been seeing? Kind of like but yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: what was there something that happened that you feel like
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: maybe it happened or was it just simply you lose
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: contact and then next thing you know, you're like, wait,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even no one knows where she's at. Is
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it one of those things or what?
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: But when two thousand free So I recorded the first
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: two EPs This was prior to Tooth and Nail, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: then I did three after that on Tooth and Nail
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: after we got signed to Tooth and Nail and then
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: I left the band in two thousand and three.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Because they got married and just kind of needed her break.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I had done it for probably ten plus years at
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that point, and so it was just like getting married,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I need to change, you know. But that's kind of
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: when I lost contact with her. But they went on
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and did that well, they went in ahead and did
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a whole nother release record with Jesse Sprinkle on drums,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you know who played with everybody, Demon Hunter, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: poor Oldloo. But that's when I lost probably two thousand
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and three, two thousand and four when I left the band,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and they went on did that last recording, which was
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: called Tiny Lights of Heaven, and Sean tour up until
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the end of that release and they did a little
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: bit of reh touring after that. But after probably two
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: thousand and five is when he last talked to her.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And then a mutual friend of ours seller in like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: twenty ten at a concert, and that's the last person
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that's really had any contact with her.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Or seen her or anything. So it's just kind of bizarre.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is bizarre, and the fact that no, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: like that circle hasn't rediscovered her. I mean, when you're
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: a touring band for ten years plus. You expect that
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: that circle will keep in contact in some sort of way.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: But the fact that it just like she's she literally just.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Vanished, right again, we all do.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And then my me and my brother live in the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: same state here, we're in North Carolina now. But yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: sid again, I can't tell you why or what happened,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: but uh, no more Saison. She's in my maybe she's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: in witness protection or something. I don't know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's what it almost feels like at this point.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, the gold and like a lot.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Of people that have taught are like fascinated with I
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: just hope that she's okay and in a good spot
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: in life.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: That's all I can wish for. Yeah, you know, but
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it is wild.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I did about two and a half hours of looking
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: around on the internet trying to find your hitting and
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: the only the only thing I could find was a
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: whole bunch of people on some random message board back
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: in May talking about how much they miss her singing,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: and they're yeah, yeah, it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Was like it was one.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is like, at this point she
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: probably looks so different. Well that's like and believe you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: could you could probably run into her right now and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you probably be like, maybe that's.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Her right and again she's up. I could just see
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Sid being like, yeah, I did that. I'm okay now.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: With where I'm at, like you know, let's move on.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But who knows. Man.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's but the fact that like, I mean, there's one
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: thing like okay, that makes sense, but to like not
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: have any contact with like people that you were spending
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a significant part of your life with, yeah, and for
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: those people to just like not know where you're at
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: at all, like you haven't checked in with that, Like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that to me seems a little like something's up with.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a little bizarro. Yeah, I'm not.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be lying if I said otherwise. We released
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: our first two a label of Ohio released our first
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: two records on vinyl Lost in Ohio, and he was like,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: we gotta do reunion, we gotta find it. We're like, okay,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: here we go. So that was probably four years ago
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: when we did the first Super Deluxe and probably two
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: years ago when we released Altraphonic Kiss and he was like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: one of these we gotta find said we got to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: do a reunion show or something. I'm like, I'll do
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: my best man. But yeah, no, luck couldn't find. I
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: had a guy contact me in California yesterday.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'll fly you guys out. Let's do it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do a reunion show. He's like an old
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: fan whoa, and he runs this place called Buddy's Music
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Cafe in California. He's had some great man he just
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: just had Aaron Gillespie, Nate Parris, she said, some really
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: cool acts. But he's like, I'll fly you guys all
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: out there. I'm like, we don't have to send him,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean. I don't know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: If that's if that's something really interested in doing. I
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: will volunteer to be Sydney for a night or two.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: You will sing I love it, Let's do it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: And Sean he could do it. He's got the voice
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll free merch.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Now you've you've sold me. I'll even transport myself. You
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: don't have to pray for that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Do you know who test Wiley is?
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Huh?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: She sang early on with sixpence and then oh she's
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: she's been doing her own stuff for a long. She
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: moved to Germany. She's a great singer song. Anyway, We've
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: kept in touch and I was going to ask her
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to do those songs, but then the rest of the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: band was like, we don't know if it'd be the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: same without. I mean, she could sing just as she
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: has a great voice.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: She can sing all the arts.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I know she could. But the rest of the band
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: just wasn't.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: They just wanted.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: To do what said.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Just imagine, imagine you guys come out. You're like, first
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: reunion show in twenty plus years, right, big birdly six
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to two hundred and ten pound calling comes out with
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: his muscles.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I'm all for it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: They're like, Wow, SIDS really changed, No wonder she was in.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Front, Sid's living there, grew a beard. What's going on?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, So one thing I want to ask you, Sean.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: One thing I want to ask you, Sean is you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: know when when you guys signed to Tooth and Nail, Uh,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: there really is only one other band, at least from
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: what I remember, that has somewhat of a similar sound,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and that's obviously Starflyer. And obviously that you know, he's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: still doing his thing and everything, but like at that time,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Tooth and Nail was really outside of Starflyer, and you guys,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: for the most part, it was either like hardcore punk
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: or like pop punk. Uh, but there weren't a lot
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of these kind of indie type of acts that you
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: know that slowly started to trickle in. But you guys
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: were kind of like I was kind of talking with
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Colin about this the other day, like when I think
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of like the Tooth and Nail fan base in the
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: mid nineties, when Tooth and Nail just started, primarily especially
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: with like once MxPx comes along, right, almost a primary
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: fan base is like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year olds, But
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you guys don't have a sound where a thirteen year
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: old's gonna be really into that. Like you guys kind
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of aren more of this college age sound. And so yeah,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious like how that, like I don't know
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: if that was like a dynamic that you noticed was
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that like you kind of don't really fit
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: not just with like other Tooth and Nail bands, but
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: just even like the Tooth Andnail fan base was just
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: like a different They were just in a different time
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of their lives to maybe not appreciate the kind of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: music that you were writing, because I mean, I'll be honest,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Like when I first got into Tooth and Nail, I
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: don't think that kind of music would have been all
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that intriguing to me. Later on it would have been,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: but like you know, when you're thirteen years old, like
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that's not the kind of music you really listen to.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just curious, like, did you notice that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: dynamic with either other Tooth and Nail bands or even
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: just with the Tooth Nail fan base at that time?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know because it's I was talking to somebody
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: The other our era of.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Tooth and Nail kind of that first wave was different
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: because I mean I remember doing shows with like staves
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Acre and the kids love it, you know what I mean?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: And I love staves Acre.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Man, the Mark Mark, that's Mark Solomon.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Is that a picture with you?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Colin tonight with Mark?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Isn't that cool?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Dude?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: You got send me send me just a picture of that,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: because I can't see it real clear. That's amazing what
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: it was, address it. Yeah, it just was a different era.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have us on a bill with staves
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Acre and then god, maybe even a hardcore band or
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: a scab. We did a tour with the Insiders a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: small one if you remember that, you know what I mean, Yes,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: but somehow it seemed to work because I just feel
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: like even myself kids were so starved for music at
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that point, and not that they're not now, but they
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: were just, oh my god, there's something that I like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that my parents will let me listen to you that's Christian,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you know. So they were just starved for that kind
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: of stuff. So it seemed like all the bands had
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: no problem really getting kids to get into it or
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: sell merch or whatever.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yea that was there is something to be said. I
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: don't know if that maybe it kind of exists now.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but certainly in the nineties, especially within
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the Christian scene. I think one thing that's really cool
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: about that scene was anything that was alternative music, whether
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it's hardcore, metal, indie, shoegaze, it doesn't matter, like if
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: you're a Christian band and you're kind of in the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: same like geographic region, like you're all just playing together,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: right and so, like I mean later on, like that
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: still existed even in the early two thousand. It's like
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I remember Copeland, this very indie pop band would used
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to play shows with under oath. It's like metalcore band, right, Yeah,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I love that, Like that used to happen all the time,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and that especially happened in the nineties, especially within the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Christian music scene, because it was such an insular community
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of music and so yeah, there's something special about that.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: The fact that you can go to a like a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: show where the insiders you're going to listen to some
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: ska and then the opener is going to be a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: shoegaze band. Like that's to me, like that's a special thing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: That's that's cool, And who knows if we'll see that again.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, It's hard to say, but I love
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that it was that way because it just it helped
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: expose people to music. You know, and you may or
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: may not like a certain genre, but then you go
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: see them live with another band you like, and you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: then you were one over. You're a fan. Yeah, it's
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: funny you mentioned Copeland though. That's a band that I
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: totally didn't know anything about until recently, and now I talk.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Is a cool guy, man, really cool. I'm gonna try
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: to record.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Some stuff with him.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: We'll see.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh his studios in Florida and we've just
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: been talking, so we'll see.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: He's a really nice guy and I love.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Him, but I didn't even know about him until just
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the last year or two.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what does what does music sound like for you
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: these days? Is it is it in the same vein
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: as Marilla's forest or is it something a little different.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I feel like I'm a little more
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: open two difference. So like when I was in Morella's
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: forest and younger, I wasn't like a big country fan
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: or I wouldn't even touch it. But I've gotten older,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I'm if its songs good, I'll listen to anything. There's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: some country music that I love now that back then
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I was wonder like, Eh, you know what I mean?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: That's not my.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Fav was the heyday of country music? Behind God, there's.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: So many now when you think about it, you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: it's like the Forefront, Garth Brooks, you name it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: So is that the kind of music you would like
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: to record?
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Then?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Too? Now you're saying what type of music? Yeah, that's
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a great question. There there's a couple of bands recently
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: that have asked me to play bass, and they're I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: would say, they're kind of like a melodic pop, not
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: necessarily what Moreles Forrest was doing, but definitely kind of
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: in that same vein if that makes sense.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you said you were you said you were looking
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: to go potentially do some recording with with Jesse.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Is that the kind of thing that you would want
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: to record then? Today?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Oh I would Yeah, absolutely, man, Just something that interests
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: me and something creative. That's the way I would describe.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to writing or recording with any type
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of band like that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I have a couple of people that I've met over
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the last year or two that are just really good
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: singer songwriters too. I love that sort of stuff. I
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: love when a person could just pick up a guitar
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and write a song. That's, to me, is a special talent.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: You know, it is it is, and it's it's something
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: that's underappreciated these days.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: To kind of pivot a little bit.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I find interesting not just
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: about Rolla's Forest, but I think for a lot of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: bands that were kind of this scene, especially Tooth and Nail, is,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: there always seemed to be maybe kind of a complicated
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: or complex relationship with being labeled Christian music, and so yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious like for you guys, like or especially
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: maybe where you're at now. I mean, it's been so
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: many years since you guys, you know, were a band together. Yeah, Like,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: how do you think about that now? Like is that
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: something where you're like, you're kind of glad that you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: kind of sort of drew this line in the sand,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: or of like how you navigated that relationship or is
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: it something where you're like, well, maybe I should have
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: really thought thought of that a little differently when I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: was in my twenties. But yeah, I'm just curious, like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: how you maybe look back on that type of relationship
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that you had with that industry, with that scene. Yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like how you think about it now.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I think honestly, we were just thankful that we could
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: write and record music and have a label put it out.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: We never even early on said that we were a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Christian band, you know, but we weren't. I mean, we
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: played it all. We we played a lot of bars
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: initially before we even signed A Tooth and Nail, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: then I can't tell you how many churches we played
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: at after we signed A Tooth and Nail. But uh,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: we were just honestly thankful to be doing it and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: playing for people that enjoyed it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I can get people's mindsets on why they were maybe
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: turned off or not thrilled about it, but I don't
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: feel like we ever felt that way.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Sure. So well, you know, it does make one wonder
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: because I think Marilla's Forest is a reference to the C. S.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Lewis Right, I'm sorry, Marella's Forrest is a reference to C.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: S Lewis correct, It's actually an Edgar Allan Poe story.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Edgar Allan Poe.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the name of the stories actually called
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Marella and she lives in a forest, believe it or not?
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Okay? Did I could have swore that C. S. Lewis
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: had had a had a connection there as well, but.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: He may he may have one.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not aware of that one, but he may well.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: That would have been like the perfect double in Tandra
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: for a band signed to Tooth and Nail.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Now do you know of the original Morell's Forest name?
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Do you know anything about that story?
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So the was it the Martin brothers that were
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: involved with that? Yeah, And it was like in the
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: late eighties, right.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were a band from Dayton, Ohio. They
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: were from California, So we had no clue that we
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: would ever come in contact it. How bizarre of that,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you know, a small world, but our show, our guitar
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: player was kind of stuck on it. We're like, okay,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: let's go with it, never having any clue that we'd
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: come in contact with Jason any later on.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: It's such a small world.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: So that was that was pure happen chance. Yeah, so
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: that there was no there's no crossing of the streams
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: there is what you're.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Saying, No none whatsoever.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: So in the exact same like generally social and musical scene,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: you ended up picking the same name label Maids, even
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Label Maids.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what's so what One of our first
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: tours was actually with Starflyer. So how small the world
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: is that you have all the bands we could ever
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: come in contact with.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Did they give you about that?
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Ronnie?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Ronnie was on board initially, but
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: he once he got to know us and we did
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: some tours with Joy Electric, he seems okay with it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: But initially, yeah, like I said, we never thought we'd
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: have any contact with that band. At all.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: That's hilarious to me. I think that's that's amazing.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: It's a small world.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: That is such a strange reference for a band name
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: that were right, completely uh thought up out of the
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: ether from two different areas, but it ends up in
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the exact same scene, at the exact same roughly the
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: exact same.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Time, and playing with the same playing the same shows,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: which is wild touring.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and even relatively similar music styles.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Well star the reason we wanted to sign with Tooth
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: and Nail we I I heard some of their music initially,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and we we sent Brandon a this is how long
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: ago we sent him a demo tape, yeah, and he liked.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It enough to sign us.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: So it's a wild world, some that's.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Right, That's right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's cool too about like Ohio is uh
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys experienced this or not,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: but not long after you know, especially maybe towards the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: end of Morell's Forrest, a lot of bands were coming
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: out of Ohio, you know, obviously maybe Reliant k Bait
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: maybe being the most famous, especially in the Christian music scene,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: but Reliant Ky becoming maybe the most famous. Yeah, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you know some of the other bands that were associated
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: with Reliant Ky every Day Sunday comes to mind. I'm
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: trying to think of some of the others. Oh what
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: was that band, House of Hunters or House of Heroes,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: House of Heroes. You know, they're coming out of Ohio. Like,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: there were a number of bands that were coming out
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: of Ohio. I don't know if they were all from Date.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of them.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think they.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: All were, but a good amount of them more.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I mean, Ohio was having like a really interesting,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: like specifically Christian music scene in that late nineties early
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: two thousands era, and I don't know how much of
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: that was inspired by you guys, but I do find
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: that really interesting is you guys were kind of at
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the forefront of the Ohio kind of Christian music scene,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you know, especially the fact that you guys were signed
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to Tooth and Nails so early on.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I yeah, it is wild when you think about it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't know all those bands initially at the time
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: when we were playing, but again after the fact, I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: have heard of a lot of them, and it was
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: just kind of like it it seemed like even where
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: we grew up in Dayton. There was the Breeders that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: were coming. There was a lot of like non Christian
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: mans that were coming out at that time too, guided
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: by voices. I don't know if you've heard of them.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Great great Oh yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I think the ones that have like eighty albums or
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: something stupid like, they just were constantly and they're.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I think they're still writing music.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Believe it or not. They've been together forever.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, just lots of lots of great talent out
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: of that area.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: It's music fertile ground, is what you're saying.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: For good music, something is in that Ohio.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what, speaking of great bands, maybe you
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: have some Ohio bands on your list. While we're talking
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: about your top five most influential albums, are you ready, Sean.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Gosh you said top five?
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, if you need a moment, we can take a
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: moment or two.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I would have to say probably Slow Dive from like
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the Men nineties, any of the slow Dive stuff. There's
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: one in particular, call just for a Day, Oh Yeah,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: which is just oh Man. That that's the one I
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: saw them on tour with.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I'm glad that after this many years of doing this podcast,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: we finally have a slow Dive on the Top five.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Say again, we've never had slow Dive on the Top five,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: and it's really it's almost a shame that we haven't
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: had that yet. So thanks Sean.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Sean, our guitar player, just saw them like six months
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: ago and he said again, like their music and their
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: live show is as good as ever.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: He said, it's just incredible, awesome.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I always forget what the I might be actually their
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: self titled one, but they had an album that came
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: out as like their first album after they got back together.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was twenty seventeen probably. Honestly, I don't
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: think Colin actually knows this. It might be a top
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: fifty album of all time for me. I just absolutely
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: love that album and it's it's actually it's probably the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: only slow dive album I have on vinyl. It's so good.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I did really like that newest one that came out
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: recently in the last couple of years, but that one
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen is outstand Yeah, it's killer.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: They have a sound that I think just kind of
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: held up too.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: They've always had the same style, but they continue to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: kind of reinvent what they're doing too, which is not
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: always easy because they've been abandoned for a long time now.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: So that's one for sure. I would say, God, I'm
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: looking at my albums right now, I'm cheating. Hold on,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to pick a Tooth and Nail one that
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: really influenced me too, because that's I think part of
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: my journey for sure.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: You can say Morreles Forrest if you want.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I would say Luxury was definitely one of them. Yeah,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: their first album amazing and thank you. I like all
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: their stuff honestly, and I think they've just continued to
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: write great music even after they've been off Tooth and
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Nail for quite a while. But they recorded their first
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: album around the same time we recorded our first album,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: and that was actually the same studio, which is cool.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: So that was and Nashville is called Neverland Studio never
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and they were I think they were signed about the
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: same time we were too, so we ended up recording
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: of the same studio. So definitely Luxury, Slow Dive, I've
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: got three more. Jeff Buckley Grace, Oh yes, he was
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: a singer songwriter from the mid nineties.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: He only put out a couple alburs.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: He unfortunately died in an accident he was swimming in the.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Mid part of the twenty seven Club. I think he
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: died at twenty seven, right.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Really young. I can't remember his age, but.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: He had a different kind of voice with that guitar.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, and just thirty.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: He was thirty thirty and could hit some notes I've
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: never heard. I don't hear. A lot of singers had
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: kind of like a radio Head influenced, but he was way.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Kind of even before Radiohead two.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that his cover of Hollylujah is just outstanding.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: That as much as you know, version is so good,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: but his version might be better than Leonard Cohen's.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: It's it's incredible. If you haven't heard it calling it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: uh oh, I've heard it for sure.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, many times.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: It'll bring you to tears, even if you don't like
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to cry that one. So that's what am I at
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: three four three on number four Now, okay, I would
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: say Starflyer definitely would be in that top five probably.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Man, their last one, lest.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Of Goal was incredible.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: It was great, wasn't it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like Jason's voice is better than it everest Man.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's smoke a lot more cigarettes
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: or what. But it's just got kind of like the
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: more about it's got like a raspy sound.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: It's just talent's matured.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever met a Starflyer fan
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: with the same favorite record. Every Star Flyer fan I
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: meet has a different favorite record of theirs.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because there's like, what fifty albums that choose from.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's lot, there's a lot.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: It's unreal to me that there's they're still going strong man.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Usually you would think that there's like one that like
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: everyone's like, all right, that's probably the one that is
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: the most influential for the most amount of people. But
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: like when it comes to Starflyer every single record, do
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: you have a favorite Portuguese blues?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, see, that's the one that I hear a lot.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I need to revisit that one. I really haven't heard
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: much of it, to be honest. It's but I here,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I do hear a lot of people say that is
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: one of their favorites for sure.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: That's cool.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Well, Colin had like an interesting like insight the other
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: day where because they've released so many albums, throughout so
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: many years. It's hard to like actually really pick like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: one specific album, and like you can only really pick eras,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Like there's different eras that are very clear cut with Starflyer,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: But because there's so many albums, like you almost have
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: to like put multiple albums within certain eras, and so
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: it's it's hard to like pick down just one album,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but it's easier to maybe pick like one particular era
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of Starflyer.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: They yeah, they're just.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's cool that his son Charlie is doing
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: music too. That's got to be a really proud dad
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: mommt to have your yeah son.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: And it's and it's not a bad record too, it's
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: a good record.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I think Jason produced a lot of them, and I
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: know Charlie played drums and a lot of stuff on it,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: his son.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, I think you got one more?
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Right? One more?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: God, there's literally so many.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: It's the tar question that's that there ever was.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: You know, it's got to be like the worst questioning
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: music fan should be asked, right.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, say that again.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: It's like the worst question that a music fan can
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: be asked.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: It's a good question because it makes you think, but
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, it literally changes every other week anymore.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: It seems like it's the thing exactly because I'm always
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: listening to something new or somebody's sending me something cool.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Heck, yeah, you're investigating.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: How would it probably go? With my friend Kevin Embleton.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: He's a singer songwriter out of Nashville, and he released
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: an album last year that, man, I don't stop listening
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: to honestly, just great voice.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: He writes everything himself.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: And whole. He did this cover album too, that's really
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I'll send it to you guys, please do.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: But he did a cover song, a cover album last
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: year that it had covered like Tom Petty and four
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: or five different bands, and it Oh, it's great. And
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: then he wrote his own album like a year ago,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and I've been listening to that like that was probably
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: my favorite of last year or one of them?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Is it the one that this could really hurt your brand?
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great album.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Name yes Week. He's such a good dude too, just
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: got a man, a huge heart for music and just yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I love what he does. I tried to Rebels Forrest
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: did a tribute album this past year, and I tried
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to get him on him so bad, but he was
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: too bit. He was just recording a lot.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah I won that record.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Did you guess you did?
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: That's right? Yeah, yeah from Pacific.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Can you see this picture?
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Love it?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: This is what it looks like.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the one I got. I love it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I love how the vinyl turn to the vinyl sharp.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: I should uh, I should send it off to you
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: to sign for me.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: If you want maceon Mason, I could probably send you one.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I'll see if I have any extra if you're interested
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: about it. I'm all about it. I'm all about it.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: It's cool. So it's like all you like, uh yeah,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: it's it's like all of you, like your contemporaries that are.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Like what Tashi want died a song?
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. I I kind of out of the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: blue about a year and a half ago, was like, okay,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: so Morella's probably isn't doing thing else, so what else
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: can I try to work on?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: So Jeremy Gold was like, man, you's should do.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: A trivia I don't know if anybody wants to hear that,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: And he's like, no, really you should. So Aaron Sprinkle
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: did a song. I mean it turned out right, I
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: was stove.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a who's who of you know, great
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: artists in the scene.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you a great record.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if you went at that day, I was
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: going to try to send you on anyway. Oh, I
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: was like Colin, Colin wants to win.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Did you when when you guys were and maybe it
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: was like vinyl was probably maybe on the way out
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: or had already been out by that point, but uh,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: did you guys ever release any of your original stuff
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: ever on vinyl?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: That's why it's been so cool to have our first
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: two released on vinyl, because initially they were just released
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: on CD and cassette but never vinyl.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Sure, when did when did that happen?
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: When did that shift happened from bands consistently releasing vinyl
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to moving more towards like cassette and CD, like or
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: at least like what you remember that happening? Do you remember?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: That's a great question.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's come back clearly, but oh yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I remember a lot of bands releasing like seven inches
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a lot when I was grown up, just like a
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: song on.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Both sides and vinyl occasionally, But I just remember CDs
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and cassettes being so big when we were writing release
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: some music that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's like whenever The Walkman came out, Like
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure The Walkman just kind of pretty much killed
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the vinyl industry probably pretty universally. Oh yeah, and single handedly.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: It's something about vinyl was just so cool to me
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: that it's just it's the tangible aspect of it and
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: just being on if they've got lyrics, are a picture.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: It's just it's what I grew up with too, so
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: it's always gonna have a special place for me.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: It still blows my mind that literally you put these
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: little tiny grooves in this thing and then you put
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: a needle on it and you can hear that, Like
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: that blows my mind that that's a thing that can exist.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Like humans figured that out at some point. Like I
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: don't know what kind of trial and error that would
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: have required for a human to figure that out, but
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: a human figured that out, and that is craziness.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way my mind would ever be able
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to work like that to figure that out.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Right, It is incredible when you think about it, And
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: just I love that so many kids like My niece
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: is eighteen and we bought her a record player about
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: a year ago. She she's like a fanatic man. She
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: goes to every record store, thrift store. She's way into it.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I love it, and it's again, it's coming back, like
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it became a billion dollar industry again, like not that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: long ago, maybe a decade ago at this point, and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: it's probably remained that like it. There is a there
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: is clearly a market of a music fan, uh, regardless
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: of the genre of people. They just want to touch
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: the thing they want. They want the experience of putting
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: it on the record player, putting the needle down, turning
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: the stereo on, and there's just there's something about that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that you just you lose if you're only listening to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Spotify and not like I think Spotify for me has
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: always been great to like discover new artists, right, but
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: in terms of the artists that I'm like, I love,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: there's something about an experience to be able to like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: get that physical thing, especially when it's something that's signed
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: or it was like handprinted or there was there's something
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: special about it. It's just it's it's a really cool
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: experience and you don't get that obviously when it's just
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: purely digital.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Well that's like, yeah, I mean I love the fact
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: that I can find anything on my phone now and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: the stream it like that. That's incredible because I never
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: had that growing up. But I also, like you just mentioned,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: love the fact that I have to take the time
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: put it on my turn tately. I mean that those
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: vinyls that I have just stick with me more, and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: those I think it is music that I'll remember long term.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah awesome, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: And the fact that I was actually just I was
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day too, Like I was
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: thinking about probably like my top five favorite artists. One
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: of the things that the thing that I think they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: maybe all have in common. There might be other things,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: but one thing that comes to mind that they have
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: in common is they were all really good at ordering
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: their songs in an album. And that's the whole point
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: of a vinyl, right, because you can't skip a song
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: on an album, right or on a on a you know,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: a vinyl album. So like, I think that's what's really
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: cool is like there is an art form. I don't
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: think a lot of bands realize this, but there is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: an art form to how you order the songs in
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: an album and uh, and when you're in the vinyl era,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: you have to do that. And so I don't know,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: there's just something really cool about that of just the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: artwork of that that I think a lot of bands miss.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: And just the I've always been a big fan of artwork,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: you know, even going back to Morello's Forest and just
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: you know again, you look, I'm a record have you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: bought in the past, Just I'm that sucker that bought it,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: just because I love the artwork. And you know, if
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: it's something amazing, great, If it's not.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not the end of the world. You know,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: at least I tried to discover something new.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: But it is. Yeah, vinyls incredible.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: That is I agree. I just right, well the sorry,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. Yeah you're a little lady, but
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Might have to stay silent, that's all right, I don't
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: worry about.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Colin, go ahead, Colin, go ahead, Colin.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, oh yeah, I'll go ahead. So I recently took
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: my old vinyl unit and I took it to my classroom.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: I'm a teacher by day, so I took it to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: my classroom and I bring in a new set of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: records each week, and my students are they're not really
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: sure what to think about it because I used to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: play music from the computer, and now I say, they
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: can pick what they want, but they have to pick
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: from my weekly haul, right. That's it's like this limiting
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: factor that's actually requiring them to think about what do
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: I want to listen to over the next fifteen twenty
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: thirty minutes, you know, and not just like skipping off
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: from song to song. And it's a completely different experience
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: for them. That has been a really cool change.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So now I think that's incredible, and I think they're
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: more likely to remember it too. You know, if they
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: have to do the word it's just like anything and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: pick out the album that they want to hear, they're
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: gonna to me, they're gonna remember that song as opposed
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: to just scrolling through a thousand different ones, you know.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, though, I messed up because one
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: of my students bought me a Nickelback vinyl uh, and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: they think it's the funniest thing on earth.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: It is kind of funny. Yeah, do you like Nickelback?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Do you like Nickelback? No?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: He loves Creed, though Creed wrote some great love.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not something I'm going to put on first
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: great songs.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: Right right. I don't mind Nickelback's first record when Black
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: Turns the Blue?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: I remember?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Anyways, I don't go on with the car on it
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: That one's all right.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: It was the nineties, man, they could have been too bad,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: you know what.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: That is the thing about the nineties. It's like, I mean,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: even the worst of the nineties was like not bad
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: compared to the most other eras of music.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: It is. And I know everybody likes to say mayor
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not even you know, not even enough
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: to say that, because I think there's amazing music coming
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: out now. But there was. The nineties definitely was a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: special time for music as far as what came out. Yeah,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: just stuff that I even still listen today, which is amazing.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: You know, Well, Sean, what do you want to plug?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously there's the tribute you know, Vinyl that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: You've got the vinyls going and everything, So yeah, what
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: do you want to plug for? Whether it's More's Forests
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: whatever else?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: We do have? Again, the tribute album available through Pacific Records.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: You can find that online through Instagram, Facebook, any other meetup.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: They're on TikTok. It was released last July. You can
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: also streaming on band camp. We do have new Norell's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Forest shirts that I've made within the last couple of months,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and those are available. Have you seen any of those calling?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: They're on merch? Yeah?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: Are they?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: Are they throw back designs?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: A couple of them are in.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: A couple of more new to the line.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, cool.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I like that. I like that.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: That's a good idea. I think more bands need to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: do that. I think they need to have like throw up,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: like they need to reissue designs of T shirts.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: It's a company that.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I worked with out of Jacksonville, Flora, and they're man,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: they're just awesome. They're rill into the music. They've even
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: helped me design a couple to sure. So it's fun
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: just to sweet design new stuff and you know, maybe
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: win a couple of new fans here in there, so
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: you never know.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you never know. Love it.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Well, Sean, anything else you'd like to plug?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's it, guys. Yeah, all right, all right.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: We're excited I mean, obviously, who knows what's gonna happen
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: with Morell's music or with Morella's Forests music moving forward.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously we'd love if we could, you know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: see see a show again, if that ever happens. But
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the fact that you guys are, you know, putting out
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the tribute album, the fact that you know what's really
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: cool is and I would imagine this is cool for
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: you too, Like the fact that, like you clearly are
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: seeing that there are people that still care about what
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: you guys did, like and you know it's for you
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: probably feels like, wow, that was a lifetime ago. But
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: the fact that like you could do something that feels
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: that long ago and that people are like, wow, I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: still really care about this, and I still want to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I still want to get an album, and I still
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: want to buy vinyl, I still want to get merch.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Like that's got to be really cool for you. And
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: so I'm just really excited for you all that this
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: has still happening for you all.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Yeah, man, I had a guy
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: from Atlanta reach out the other day and he just
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: bought the tribute and he's like, man, I didn't know
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: anything about it, but yeah, just total fan now, which
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: is amazing, especially all these years later. But it's yeah,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: that's what I love about music though. Man. It's just
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: it's just a good community and it's a good way
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: for people to figure out, you know, stuff they love
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: and share it with friends, family, whatever, put it. Yeah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's always been special in me, so I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: love spreading it to other people.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: So for sure. Wow, well we're just you know, thankful
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: for you, grateful for you to come on here talk
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: about more all uh forest, and it's just it's just
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it's really cool.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the bands that Colin and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I interview, you know, it's more of kind of like
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: that mid two thousands, mid you know, twenty tens kind
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: of tooth and nail stuff. So when we're able to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: go and actually dig into the actual classes, the originators,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: that's always really cool for us. So yeah, thanks for
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: so much for chatting more. We're just big fans and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, well we'll see what happens with the life
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: of Marilla's Forest moving forward. But yeah, we're just super
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: stoked with where your guys are at right now, and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: so thank you so much for chatting more.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: With us absolutely guys, thanks a lot,