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Corn Smut, shame and Pandoras Jar · Mooney's Mythic Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: welcome to mooney's mythic podcast a meander around the heart and life of
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glastonbury storyteller me sarah mooney this episode is
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SPEAKER_00: you this it came out of a jar and not a box
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's been a ride since last week.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got to tell you, it was a ride last week's podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you've listened to it,
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SPEAKER_00: you'll hear that I was in the studio with Witchy Finger,
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SPEAKER_00: a great band.
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SPEAKER_00: But I've never done that before,
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SPEAKER_00: recorded a...
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SPEAKER_00: It was a rock band and I went to their studio and they had Ampers...
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SPEAKER_00: Ampers...
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SPEAKER_00: We'll get onto that later.
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SPEAKER_00: They had amps and speakers and everything everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: And I didn't know where to put my little microphone.
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SPEAKER_00: I just put it down in the middle.
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And when we got the recording home,
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it sounded really distorted and really dodged.
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SPEAKER_00: So the lovely Jules Barker,
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SPEAKER_00: thank you,
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SPEAKER_00: Jules,
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took the songs out and put in some other live recordings that
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they'd done in place.
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And I was really humbled by that and also a bit ashamed that I
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couldn't do that myself.
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So I've been on a bit of an editing journey this week and I'll
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tell you more about that later.
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But I just want to go to the end of last week's podcast because
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as we finished and
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SPEAKER_00: I was just packing my stuff away,
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SPEAKER_00: Michael Tayak,
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SPEAKER_00: the musician there,
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SPEAKER_00: he said to me,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: it got a bit smutty towards the end,
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SPEAKER_00: didn't it?
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SPEAKER_00: Which is true.
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SPEAKER_00: It did.
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SPEAKER_00: And last week we were talking about this never-ending January feeling.
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SPEAKER_00: And what is in the bottom of our barrel,
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what is still yet to be kind of reached for before spring gets
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us kind of shooting
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SPEAKER_00: in a different direction.
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SPEAKER_00: What needs tending to on the inside.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking about that,
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SPEAKER_00: about smut,
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SPEAKER_00: about kind of sexual innuendo and laughing about sex.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's this book called The Rational Theory of Sexuality.
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And it talks about this kind of discharge of laughter when we
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laugh about sex.
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SPEAKER_00: It's all about distress, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's probably,
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SPEAKER_00: there's a lot of that in the bottom of my bowl,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of embarrassment,
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SPEAKER_00: shock,
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SPEAKER_00: disbelief,
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SPEAKER_00: confusion,
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SPEAKER_00: lots of those words all around sex.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you listen back to it, remember to laugh.
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SPEAKER_00: It'll be good for you if you can laugh at it.
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I was also thinking about smut as in you can get a kind of
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mildew on corn,
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corn smut.
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SPEAKER_00: And this kind of smut can get you high.
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SPEAKER_00: It's got psychedelic properties.
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So I was thinking about that and that got me thinking about
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indigenous people,
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SPEAKER_00: people connected to the land and people whose oral culture is...
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much stronger than ours,
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that haven't been writing things down for hundreds of years.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it's all in their stories.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything that's needed to remember is in their stories.
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SPEAKER_00: And Lisa O'Neill talks about this when she talks about her song Old Note,
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SPEAKER_00: beautiful song Old Note,
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SPEAKER_00: if you get a chance to listen to it.
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She talks about the astronomy and the gossip and the history
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and the geography and
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everything being within a song or within a story and how we're
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losing that a bit.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've been thinking about that too.
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I'm going to read to you a little bit from Robert McFarlane and
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Jackie Morris' book,
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SPEAKER_00: The Lost Spells.
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And this came about because there were words being taken out of
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the English
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SPEAKER_00: dictionary and a lot of them were pertaining to nature.
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SPEAKER_00: So they created a dictionary where there's a large illustrated one.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is a small, very beautifully illustrated book.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to read the introduction to you.
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SPEAKER_00: This is a book of spells to be spoken aloud.
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SPEAKER_00: It tells its stories and sings its songs in paint and word.
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SPEAKER_00: Here you will find incantations and summoning charms,
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SPEAKER_00: spells that protect and spells that protest,
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SPEAKER_00: tongue twisters,
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SPEAKER_00: blessings,
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SPEAKER_00: lullabies and psalms.
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Here you might sweep with a swallow,
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follow a seal through the sea or sky race with swifts.
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SPEAKER_00: Here you can listen with owl ears and watch with the eyes of an oak.
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Here a fox might witch into your mind or flocks of moths may
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lift from the page to fill the air.
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SPEAKER_00: Loss is the tune of our age, hard to miss and hard to bear.
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SPEAKER_00: Creatures, places and words disappear day after day, year on year.
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SPEAKER_00: But there has always been singing in dark times.
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SPEAKER_00: And wonder is needed now more than ever.
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SPEAKER_00: To enchant means both to make magic and to sing out.
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SPEAKER_00: So let these spells ring far and wide.
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SPEAKER_00: Speak their words and seek their art.
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SPEAKER_00: Let the wild world into your eyes, your voice, your heart.
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it's beautiful isn't it and i was thinking about that because
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in the smutty part of
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the pod last week we were talking about um the practice of of
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making um glyphs oh
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you have to listen to it but i'm thinking about spells and i'm
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thinking thinking
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SPEAKER_00: about the
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SPEAKER_00: the vibration of a word,
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SPEAKER_00: the vibration,
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the way that a word resonates all around our body and deep into
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the earth.
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And there are many creation stories where the universe was
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birthed with a sound.
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In Sanskrit,
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each sound are different sounds that give birth to different things.
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SPEAKER_00: And in the Celtic tradition, there's the Arwen,
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm here making the sound of the Arwen,
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SPEAKER_00: recording this pod,
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SPEAKER_00: thinking of you all,
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SPEAKER_00: out there listening,
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SPEAKER_00: wanting to share with you how it's been for me,
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SPEAKER_00: wondering how it's all been for you.
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SPEAKER_00: This week I've been editing.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been learning to edit.
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SPEAKER_00: In fact,
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I've already paused this recording twice and tripped up a few
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times and thinking,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: do I go back and cut that out?
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SPEAKER_00: Does that need cutting?
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SPEAKER_00: Does this need cutting?
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm so torn because I know that this pod needs to be more polished.
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SPEAKER_00: It needs to be slicker.
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SPEAKER_00: And I sat down to record a story the other day on this editing programme.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was a story about a 25 minute story.
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SPEAKER_00: And because I'm recording not live,
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like I'm recording on an editing program that I can cut up
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because before I couldn't,
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SPEAKER_00: I just had to press record in substack.
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I'm listening to myself in a different way and I'm judging
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myself in everything that I say.
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SPEAKER_00: There's judgment.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that good enough?
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SPEAKER_00: Am I going to cut that?
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm not able to flow through in the way that I want to flow through.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I'm recording this story,
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SPEAKER_00: half an hour story,
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SPEAKER_00: editing it,
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SPEAKER_00: stopping it,
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SPEAKER_00: that's not right,
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SPEAKER_00: that's not okay,
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SPEAKER_00: cutting that bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Hours later, seriously, hours later, like about four hours later,
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SPEAKER_00: There I am, finally finished it.
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It doesn't feel like it's got the aliveness or the juiciness of
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a really raw state
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SPEAKER_00: of story that I like to get myself into.
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But I've got to go out because I've promised to go and see my
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friends Queen Space
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SPEAKER_00: Baroque play,
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SPEAKER_00: who are a brilliant band.
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SPEAKER_00: Go and see them if you get a chance to.
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And I didn't want to miss the warm up act because there was
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this gorgeous woman,
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SPEAKER_00: Griselda,
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SPEAKER_00: and she was playing the Swedish nickel harp.
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And how often do you get to go out and listen to someone play
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the Swedish nickel harp?
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SPEAKER_00: So anyway, I got there, but I was full.
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I was so full of this total confusion around what progress is
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and how I should
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SPEAKER_00: progress with the pod and what I should and shouldn't edit.
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SPEAKER_00: And what happens for me,
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SPEAKER_00: I live within a universe of stories in my mind and I could feel myself...
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fluttering about looking for the story my heart my soul my my
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body sort of trying
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to find what's the story that's going to help me understand
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here what's the story
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and then chris elder's playing the nickel heart which is
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beautiful and it's
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SPEAKER_00: soothing me somewhere in a place i feel quite distressed about it all
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SPEAKER_00: And and then she plays this song.
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SPEAKER_00: She's playing the violin at this point.
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SPEAKER_00: And she says that she plays a song,
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SPEAKER_00: an old song that used to be played and sung to call back the cows.
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And she's singing this song,
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playing this song to call back the herd for milking time.
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SPEAKER_00: And I can hear it suddenly,
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I can hear the birds and I can hear the insects and I can hear
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the wind and I can
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SPEAKER_00: hear suddenly the flora and the fauna that we have lost,
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SPEAKER_00: that I have lost in the listening because I'm not listening to nature,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not addressing nature as if it were totally animate and alive,
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SPEAKER_00: every part of it,
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SPEAKER_00: every stone,
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SPEAKER_00: every feather.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I see it like a little glimmer of gold.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: I know what the story is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Pandora's box.
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SPEAKER_00: And I see that glimmer.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like gold.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like the golden snitch.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know I don't need to grab it.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't need it to make sense to me in any way.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's arrived.
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And so the story of Pandora's box,
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and they say that originally,
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actually,
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it's a jar.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like an earthenware jar.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just been mistranslated.
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SPEAKER_00: Zeus asked Hephaestus to make a woman.
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SPEAKER_00: And he made Pandora.
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SPEAKER_00: And Pandora was very curious.
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SPEAKER_00: He made her very curious.
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SPEAKER_00: Zeus created her as very curious.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he gave her a big earthenware jar and asked her not to open it.
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SPEAKER_00: And of course she opens it.
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SPEAKER_00: And out comes plague and misery,
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SPEAKER_00: shame,
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SPEAKER_00: disappointment,
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SPEAKER_00: greed,
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SPEAKER_00: hatred,
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SPEAKER_00: strife,
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SPEAKER_00: sickness,
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SPEAKER_00: sorrow,
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SPEAKER_00: grief.
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SPEAKER_00: Pestilence.
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SPEAKER_00: That was my favourite one when I was little.
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SPEAKER_00: Pestilence.
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I didn't know what it meant but I loved it because I was called
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a pest sometimes.
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SPEAKER_00: I just loved the elongation of the word pest.
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SPEAKER_00: Pestilence.
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SPEAKER_00: But then finally out comes hope.
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SPEAKER_00: And I saw hope in that moment and I've got nothing else to speak of it,
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but I saw hope like a golden light in that moment and it was
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very soothing.
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Suddenly I felt very tired and even though I'd arranged to meet
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a few people there
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SPEAKER_00: and I'd barely seen them,
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SPEAKER_00: I just walked home one foot in front of the other.
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When I got home,
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I listened to one of my friend Chris's stories that she'd sent me.
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She created an advent of stories for me and I've been listening
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to them and I very
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SPEAKER_00: much appreciate that gift.
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SPEAKER_00: You see, do I cut that out?
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SPEAKER_00: Do I go back and be like, oh, I was like, do I cut that bit out?
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Because I think the thing is,
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is that the more impassioned I can get,
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the less coherent.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's the same for lots of people.
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And so now that I'm trying to be perfect,
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I'm speaking in this monotone way.
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SPEAKER_00: And I,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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I'm just trying to find a middle ground and I'm thinking about
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social media and
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girls with hardly any eyebrows and big lips and all looking
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like the best that they
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SPEAKER_00: can for the screen,
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SPEAKER_00: not for real life.
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SPEAKER_00: And that breaks my heart so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: just wanting to be real,
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SPEAKER_00: but also wanting to be professional,
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wanting to be successful and wondering how they all weave
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themselves in together.
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SPEAKER_00: So I did cut a bit then because I got a bit lost.
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I got a bit impassioned and I started to lose my words and well
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up with tears.
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SPEAKER_00: So now I'm lying down.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm lying down in bed and...
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SPEAKER_00: And so I'm a bit,
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SPEAKER_00: my angle to the microphone's a bit different,
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SPEAKER_00: so I might sound a bit different.
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SPEAKER_00: I wanted to read a little bit from this book to you.
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SPEAKER_00: This is one of my favourite books, The Spell of the Sensuous.
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SPEAKER_00: It's taken me a long time to really groove with his language.
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SPEAKER_00: I love,
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SPEAKER_00: I've had it for a really long time,
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probably had it for 15 years and I like to dip in and out of it
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but now I'm reading
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SPEAKER_00: it in earnest and it's like having,
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it's having the conversation with me that I'm having with
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myself on the inside and
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SPEAKER_00: that's what's so exciting about it.
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but oh yeah it's by David Abram and what is this person James
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Hillman says about it
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I know of no work more valuable for shifting our thinking and
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feeling about the
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place of humans in the world yeah I think that's what I'm
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getting at I think I'm
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trying to find my place in the world and I'm trying to find my
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place in the
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um podcasting world or like in the in the storytelling world or
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or yeah where I
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SPEAKER_00: land I'm trying to find where I fit so in this book there is um a um
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A little paragraph of words spoken by an elder called Old Torlino,
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a Navajo elder.
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And it is said that he speaks these words before he goes into
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telling a myth,
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SPEAKER_00: telling a creation story.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking about the Bible.
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In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word
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was with God.
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SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it is.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking about the beginnings of stories.
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Once upon a time,
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Arabian nights,
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they always begin or lots of the stories begin with.
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There was an incredible king because,
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of course,
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all the stories are being told to the king.
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SPEAKER_00: And he begins his stories like this.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before the earth.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before the heavens.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before the dawn.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before the evening twilight.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before the blue sky.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before the sun.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before that standing within me which speaks with me.
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SPEAKER_00: I am ashamed before that standing within me which speaks with me.
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SPEAKER_00: Some of these things are always looking at me.
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SPEAKER_00: I am never out of sight.
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SPEAKER_00: Therefore, I must tell the truth.
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SPEAKER_00: I hold my word tight to my breast.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm wowed by that.
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SPEAKER_00: I am...
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feeling like the thing that we as humans hide most is our shame
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that actually when
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we go down to the bottom of the barrel to the smutty bottom of
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the barrel where all
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the feelings are that shame's a really big one and I'm not sure
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that there are
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SPEAKER_00: enough stories that tell us how to be with shame
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SPEAKER_00: how to move through it, how to honour and own it.
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SPEAKER_00: And to begin a story like that is profound for me as a storyteller.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm very moved by it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like it's a prayer, it's an incantation.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel like it's kind of
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SPEAKER_00: There's not any covering up.
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This person's not trying to perform,
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not trying to be bigger than or bolder than the audience.
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SPEAKER_00: We are all humbled in his humbling.
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SPEAKER_00: And in that place of humbling, when we're connected with our own shame,
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SPEAKER_00: We can tell a story.
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We can tell a story that is truthful,
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that is compassionate,
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that is absolutely resonant.
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SPEAKER_00: We can feel our own feelings within a story.
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SPEAKER_00: We can cry our own tears.
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We can really use a story as a way of releasing and
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regenerating and connecting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's been a big and moving teaching for me.
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So then I'm reading on in the book and he talks about the
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animism in all things.
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About the indigenous way of being with the land and that
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everything in the land is
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SPEAKER_00: connected to us.
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SPEAKER_00: Brother wind, sister moon.
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SPEAKER_00: our ancestors, our ancients, our brethren.
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SPEAKER_00: We are connected, we are related to all things.
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SPEAKER_00: And he writes this address to a stone.
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SPEAKER_00: Unmoved from time without end you rest.
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SPEAKER_00: There in the midst of the paths, in the midst of the winds you rest.
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SPEAKER_00: Covered with the droppings of birds, grass growing from your feet.
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SPEAKER_00: Your head decked with the down of birds you rest.
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SPEAKER_00: In the midst of the winds you wait, aged one.
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Yeah,
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I'm going to spend a bit of time doing that to go out into
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nature and to...
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connect with something as if it were a deep friend,
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as if it were an ancestor.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what we'll do at the retreat at Chalice Well.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we'll choose something in nature to connect with in that way,
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SPEAKER_00: to build a relationship with through words,
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SPEAKER_00: through direct address.
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SPEAKER_00: And in that way, find our own place in the web of all things.
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SPEAKER_00: Find our own place in the network of nature.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we'll write our own creation stories.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll tell our own creation stories from the beginning, from the seed.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway,
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SPEAKER_00: I could go off on one,
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SPEAKER_00: but I do have a couple of spaces left and I'd love to,
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SPEAKER_00: if any of that sounds good to you,
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SPEAKER_00: I'd love to have you there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the 27th of February for three nights at the Chalice Whale Gardens.
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can't wait personally i can't wait so get in touch if you want
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to come and stay
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with us and and work with story and work with the land and work
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with magic in that
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way anyway there was something else i wanted to read in this
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book if i can find it
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this is a hasidic commentary on prayer that i like to think
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about in the context of
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SPEAKER_00: storytelling
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See your prayer as arousing the letters through which heaven
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and earth and all
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SPEAKER_00: living things were created.
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SPEAKER_00: The letters are the life of all.
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SPEAKER_00: When you pray through them all creation joins with you in prayer.
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SPEAKER_00: All that is around you can be uplifted.
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SPEAKER_00: Even the song of a passing bird may enter into such a prayer.
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SPEAKER_00: I can hear the wind.
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I can hear the wind outside and the rain just starting to spit
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down my chimney as I
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SPEAKER_00: say those words.
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SPEAKER_00: Can you hear that?
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SPEAKER_00: That's the rain coming down my chimney.
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SPEAKER_00: Must be hail.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's a real prayer for me that
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SPEAKER_00: that all the seen and unseen forces,
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that all of magic and all of nature can come into my stories
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and be present in my stories.
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And so in love I've been all my life,
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but recently even more so with storytelling.
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And I want to say thank you to you all listening to this
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podcast because it's given
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SPEAKER_00: me a space to...
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delve about and think about and appreciate stories in a totally
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different way and
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SPEAKER_00: to speak aloud some of the things that I think and believe and know about
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storytelling that I've never said to anybody so thank you for
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being part of this
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forum for me to be able this dance ground for me to be able to
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talk about things
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And yeah,
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so I have been thinking about giving the podcast a little rest
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for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: At the beginning of March, I've been doing this weekly for a year.
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SPEAKER_00: And I thought it might be time to just end the season.
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have a few weeks thinking about what am I doing how am I doing
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it and then coming
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back with season two and in that way I wanted to ask you all
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what do you want how
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SPEAKER_00: can I serve you
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SPEAKER_00: How can I arrive in your life,
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SPEAKER_00: at your ears,
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SPEAKER_00: to deepen your experience of this life,
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SPEAKER_00: to soften your hearts and to support you to...
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SPEAKER_00: Not be afraid to be wonderful and wonder-filled.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my question to you.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you've got any ideas about that, let me know.
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And I've been listening to another podcast,
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the Time Between Times podcast with Owen Statton.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a great, it's a really great storytelling podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think I invited myself on a while ago.
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I'd like to say he invited me to be on the show,
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but I think I invited myself on.
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SPEAKER_00: He said, come on the show.
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SPEAKER_00: Tell me a story that you want me to tell.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll have a chat and then I'll tell the story.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really exciting.
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SPEAKER_00: So I got in touch with him yesterday and was like Pandora's box.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like I've had this such a profound conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: feeling inside of me, such a visceral experience of it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear someone else telling it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to go on his show, not next week, but the week after.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'll let you know when that's coming on.
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SPEAKER_00: And you can listen to that.
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SPEAKER_00: We can listen to it together.
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SPEAKER_00: We can have a listen party.
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SPEAKER_00: It's nearly in bulk.
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SPEAKER_00: I was going to
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SPEAKER_00: do this one more episode about death before Imbolc came.
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But I feel like with the release of hope from Pandora's jar
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that Imbolc is arriving.
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Imbolc means in the belly and it's the festival for the first
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stirrings in the
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SPEAKER_00: belly like the movement in the belly to come out into springtime.
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SPEAKER_00: So death will have to wait.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe around Valentine's Day I'll pop it out.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to Ireland for Imbolc, really looking forward to that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not doing any live storytelling for a couple of weeks,
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SPEAKER_00: but I'll keep you posted when I am.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks to everyone who came to the shows over Christmas,
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SPEAKER_00: to the show last week,
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SPEAKER_00: really,
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SPEAKER_00: really thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel so heartened and gladdened by telling those stories and by
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watching all your faces yeah so i'm just having a bit of a time
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deepening into
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myself right now getting ready for um this retreat at the
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chalice well to really
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SPEAKER_00: make it something so exquisite so profound so magical yeah
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SPEAKER_00: If you feel like buying me a drink,
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SPEAKER_00: if you feel like reaching out and supporting me to make this podcast,
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SPEAKER_00: to do my artistry,
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SPEAKER_00: then you can find me on Patreon,
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SPEAKER_00: Mooney's Mythic Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: You can send a message, you can share this podcast, just anything else.
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any any way that you can to just kind of reach out and let me
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know that you know
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I'm alive but if you're just quietly secretly listening that's
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absolutely fine too
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I have a couple of things that I listen to absolutely quietly
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and I'm not sure how
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I'd feel about the person doing the podcast even knowing I'm
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listening and
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SPEAKER_00: Blessings and peace.
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SPEAKER_00: May your journey to Imbog be filled with fragrance and light.