Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #181: David Crowley butchers his lone debate with Tom Tiffany, comes across as a goofy kid. Says he doesn't know what the Democrat Socialists stand for. Another polling company admits its numbers were fake and deliberately overstated support of leftists. The World Series is back in Milwaukee and Mark assesses the Brewers chances. And, we've got our weekly football preview.

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Mark Belling Podcast #181: David Crowley butchers his lone debate with Tom Tiffany, comes across as a goofy kid. Says he doesn't know what the Democrat Socialists stand for. Another polling company admits its numbers were fake and deliberately overstated support of leftists. The World Series is back in Milwaukee and Mark assesses the Brewers chances. And, we've got our weekly football preview. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that happens when you're
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  Speaker 2: a conservative talk show host and you try to tell
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  Speaker 2: people how bad some stupid liberal thing is, They always
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  Speaker 2: think you're exaggerating. There's been just so many cases of this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, classic example is when I told people about
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  Speaker 2: the Milwaukee trolley after they put the tracks in. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I went on and on and on about it.
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  Speaker 2: And then people from the suburbs, they would happen to
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  Speaker 2: come down to Milwaukee and they would see this idiotic
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  Speaker 2: thing running in the middle of the street with nobody out. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know it was that bad. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think I was telling you? I think that there's just
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  Speaker 2: this tendency that they think that people like me engage
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  Speaker 2: in hyperbole when we're actually describing things accurately. And the
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  Speaker 2: debate between Tom Tiffany and David Crowley is going to
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  Speaker 2: be in that category unless you watch it. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, when you're done listening to my podcast, it's
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  Speaker 2: real easy to watch it. It's all over YouTube. Channel
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  Speaker 2: 12 posted the entire thing up. There's lots of excerpts.
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  Speaker 2: The best way is the debate was only an hour.
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  Speaker 2: Channel 12 did it in Milwaukee. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: carried on a couple of other stations around the state.
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  Speaker 2: No matter how bad I tell you Crowley was, the
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  Speaker 2: reaction for most people is going to be to watch
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  Speaker 2: this and say, I can't believe he was that bad.
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  Speaker 2: I told you he was that bad. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: Tiffany was very, very good. He's exactly what Tom Tiffany is. Quiet, controlled, composed,
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  Speaker 2: and a total command and grasp of the issues. Unflappable.
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  Speaker 2: And Crowley was up there. I mean, I've used this.
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  Speaker 2: I made a post on X saying it was like
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  Speaker 2: Tiffany was on an episode of Are You Smarter Than
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  Speaker 2: a Fifth Grader? And he's actually debating a fifth grader.
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  Speaker 2: Crowley seemed like a fifth grader. Big, goofy smile. He's
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  Speaker 2: jumping around all over the place. He's hyped out of
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  Speaker 2: his mind. and couldn't explain his position on anything. All
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  Speaker 2: But when he was forced to actually get into depth
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  Speaker 2: on any kind of a policy issue at all, he's
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  Speaker 2: floundering around. You know, I've been forced to set a
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  Speaker 2: low bar for Democrats in Wisconsin. We're coming off of
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  Speaker 2: eight years of a dullard as governor, Tony Evers. He's
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  Speaker 2: got no command of much of anything. But because he's
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  Speaker 2: an old guy, he seems at least to look the
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  Speaker 2: part of some professorial type where he might kind of
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  Speaker 2: understand things. We've got Tammy Baldwin as the United States Senate,
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  Speaker 2: probably the dimmest member of the entire Senate. She takes
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  Speaker 2: no positions on anything. She never grants any interviews. She's
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  Speaker 2: not out there as a player at all when the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats trot somebody out because they realize Tammy's in over
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  Speaker 2: her head. And here in Milwaukee, you know, we've got
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  Speaker 2: our Mayor Little Chevy. Not exactly a commanding presence. So
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  Speaker 2: the bar is set really low. But even by the
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  Speaker 2: standards of what we've come to expect from Democrats in Wisconsin, boy,
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  Speaker 2: oh boy, have they fallen. Jim Doyle, like, less charisma
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  Speaker 2: than any human being ever. But you compare him to
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  Speaker 2: what's come in the last 15 years in the Wisconsin
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  Speaker 2: Democrat Party and, I mean, Doyle's a Kennedy for crying
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  Speaker 2: out loud. We're going to analyze how the Democrats got
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  Speaker 2: to this point, whether or not they could actually win
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  Speaker 2: With such a goofy little kid jumping around claiming, I'm
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  Speaker 2: How did the Democrats get to the point? And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, I'm hearing the mumbling from Democrats. I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean the lines that they're putting out, the spin that
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  Speaker 2: they're putting out. Oh, David did a great job. They
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  Speaker 2: know he didn't do a very good job. And they're very,
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  Speaker 2: very glad that this is the only debate. There's a
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  Speaker 2: reason why Crowley's campaign only wanted one debate. And the
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  Speaker 2: Republicans were partly responsible for this point by doing it
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  Speaker 2: with select TV stations. It wasn't carried statewide on every
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  Speaker 2: radio and TV station like some of these things are,
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: like when public radio does it, they usually make it
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  Speaker 2: available to everybody. And it's the event If I'm the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats backing Crowley, I don't want anybody to see this
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  Speaker 2: at all. I want it to be off of YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to see it. Maybe pull out
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  Speaker 2: like three seconds in which they can edit together some
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  Speaker 2: coherent phrase that he puts together, but they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to want anybody to watch this thing. How did they
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  Speaker 2: get to this point? Well, it's exactly what we've been
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  Speaker 2: telling you. The Democrats never wanted David Crowley. He was
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  Speaker 2: running for governor for months and spinning his wheels, despite
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he had raised a decent amount of money.
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  Speaker 2: Crowley was near the bottom of the polls in the
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  Speaker 2: seven and eight candidate Democratic race. He was not only
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  Speaker 2: behind the Marxist, Francesca Hong, he was way behind Mandela Barnes.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said, I set the bar pretty low.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to have a lower bar than Mandela Barnes.
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  Speaker 2: The guy's just a bag full of scandals. He's not
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  Speaker 2: smart at all. When he was on the statewide stage
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  Speaker 2: in the past, he fell flat in his face. Yet
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  Speaker 2: the Democrat voters that were sizing all of this up
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  Speaker 2: and deciding who they're going to give their support to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they're doing these polls, they figured if
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  Speaker 2: we're going to choose an African-American, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: Mandela and it's not going to be Crowley. Sarah Rodriguez,
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  Speaker 2: another lightweight, the lieutenant governor. She was doing better than Crowley.
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  Speaker 2: Crowley was down there below 5%, along with Joel Bredin,
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  Speaker 2: who isn't a lightweight, but has the misfortune of being
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  Speaker 2: a white male at a party that can't stand white males.
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  Speaker 2: Missy Hughes is not a lightweight either. The two smartest
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  Speaker 2: Democrats are the two that did worse in the polls.
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  Speaker 2: Missy dropped out of the race. Brennan never did. He
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  Speaker 2: just decided he was going to roll around with his
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  Speaker 2: one and two percent. And Crowley gave up. He dropped
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  Speaker 2: out of the race. He dropped out of the race
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  Speaker 2: because he was going nowhere. And the reason he was
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  Speaker 2: going nowhere is the Democratic voters that were paying attention
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  Speaker 2: and responding to the pollsters, none of them were saying
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  Speaker 2: they supported him. And they didn't support him because when
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  Speaker 2: they would see him talking or they go to an event,
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  Speaker 2: He was just like the goof that was on the
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  Speaker 2: TV last night. But then, and again, we don't need
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  Speaker 2: to belabor the point because we all know what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Hong was way ahead in the polls. She started getting
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  Speaker 2: a lot of national attention. And she was making a
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  Speaker 2: fool of herself. The woman's a cocktail waitress who flopped
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  Speaker 2: at running a small restaurant in Madison. And she's an out-and-out,
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  Speaker 2: dyed-in-the-wool Marxist. brags about being socialist. See, the Democrats have
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  Speaker 2: all gravitated towards socialism, but they don't want to use
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  Speaker 2: that word in a general election in a swing state.
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  Speaker 2: They've adopted the position of socialism, and David Crowley's positions
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  Speaker 2: on the issues are the same as Francesca Long. But
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  Speaker 2: she actually came right out and said, I'm a socialist.
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  Speaker 2: So they had to stop her because they knew that
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  Speaker 2: she would lose to Tom Tiffany. So the Democrat establishment,
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  Speaker 2: led by Tony Evers, decided, okay, we're going to back
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Rodriguez. They weren't going to back Mandela Barnes. There
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  Speaker 2: were media hits coming in on him, and the scandals
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  Speaker 2: that Mandela has had, there's like more new ones. There's
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  Speaker 2: new ones coming out. So it can't be Mandela. They've
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  Speaker 2: got to stop Hogg. So the third-place candidate was Sarah Rodriguez,
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  Speaker 2: the lieutenant governor. And right after Evers and the establishment
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  Speaker 2: endorsed her, She blew up. It turned out she hadn't
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  Speaker 2: raised any campaign funds, but she was preparing campaign filings
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  Speaker 2: that said that she had all this money in the bank.
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  Speaker 2: And people looked at, including Rodriguez's own people. and Sarah herself,
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  Speaker 2: and they realized her campaign treasurer was taking a donation
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  Speaker 2: and counting it like three, four, and five different times
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  Speaker 2: to make the sum total be greater than it was. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this story comes out. We now have a candidate for
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  Speaker 2: governor who was on the verge of filing a fraudulent
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  Speaker 2: campaign finance statement. and didn't seem to have the ability
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  Speaker 2: to run her own campaign, was so clueless that she
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  Speaker 2: didn't even know how much money she had raised. So
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  Speaker 2: she drops out of the race. So here's the Democratic
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  Speaker 2: establishment sitting there in Madison, all the smart guys, and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the staff of Tony Evers and even Evers
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  Speaker 2: himself saying, we're in a mess. We can't back Mandela.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah just blew up. Hong's up there with like 40%
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  Speaker 2: of the polls. We've got to find somebody. And somebody said, well,
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  Speaker 2: what about Crowley? And I'm sure he already dropped out.
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  Speaker 2: But he had the advantage of his name's on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: They can't pick somebody whose name is not on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: So they told Crowley, get back into the race. Crowley
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  Speaker 2: reenters the race like two weeks before the election. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: do any campaigning on his own. He simply runs around
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  Speaker 2: with Tony Evers, dragging him around. And Tony Evers running
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  Speaker 2: TV ads all over the place. Vote for, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to vote for David Crowley. Vote for David Crowley. Vote
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  Speaker 2: for David Crowley. So he didn't become the nomination by
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  Speaker 2: going through any of the testing process that a primary
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  Speaker 2: would normally give you. The vetting of a candidate occurs
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  Speaker 2: in a primary. And if the candidate falls apart, like, say,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Rodriguez did, the primary process knocks them by the wayside.
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  Speaker 2: And what happened was Crowley was knocked by the wayside,
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  Speaker 2: but they resurrected him because they had to find somebody.
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  Speaker 2: So you have here an accidental candidate, and all of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons why David Crowley was below 5% of the
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  Speaker 2: Democrat polls showed up in this debate with Tom Tiffany.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's got this goofy smile. He just looked like,
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  Speaker 2: there's this thing called, it's not junior achievement. There's this
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  Speaker 2: thing where like high school kids go and kind of
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  Speaker 2: like pretend that they're in government, like Badger State or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think they have it anymore. He looked
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  Speaker 2: like some high school kid that was like playing at government,
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  Speaker 2: like some studious guy. I mean, he had everything but
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  Speaker 2: the bow tie. And he's all hyped up and bouncing
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  Speaker 2: around all over the place. I'm going to comment on
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  Speaker 2: X that I'm pretty sure people didn't get the reference,
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  Speaker 2: but those who did probably found it was funny. I
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  Speaker 2: said it was like Richard Splatt lost 40 pounds and
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  Speaker 2: had nine cans of Mountain Dew. Do you get that
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  Speaker 2: reference or not? You did not get that reference. See,
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  Speaker 2: Richard Splatt was a character on Veep, the brilliant show
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  Speaker 2: with Julia Louis-Dreyfus. He was like a sycophantic aide who
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  Speaker 2: just said one inane thing after another, after another, after another,
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  Speaker 2: but did it with such incredible earnestness. Crowley looks like him. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Richard Splatt character on Veep was actually fatter than Crowley.
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  Speaker 2: Crowley's kind of skinny. And the Richard Splett character wasn't
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  Speaker 2: quite as hyped up as the Splets. I said, give
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  Speaker 2: him nine Mountain Dews, drop off 40 pounds. There's Crowley.
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  Speaker 2: So now you've got two things to do after we're
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  Speaker 2: done with the podcast. You can YouTube all the Richard
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  Speaker 2: Splett things, and there's a million of them on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: He was a.
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  Speaker 2: Hilarious character, I'd be. And you can watch the Crowley-Tiffany debate.
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  Speaker 2: During the debate, I've got a summary here. Fox News...
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  Speaker 2: provided extensive coverage of this, and they went through bullet
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  Speaker 2: points on several of the issues. And I'm going to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, rip through that real quickly here. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: one of the highlights was the whole issue of the DSA,
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  Speaker 2: the Democratic Socialists of America, now the most powerful wing
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  Speaker 2: within the Democratic Party. This is the Bernie Sanders wing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the AOC wing. It's the Mamdani wing. And it's
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  Speaker 2: the wing that Francesca Hong was in. There's a comment
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  Speaker 2: made that, you know, Crowley is campaigning with Huang and
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  Speaker 2: she's a democratic socialist and so on. And Crowley said
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't know any of the issues that the DSA
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  Speaker 2: stands for. Oh, my God. There are people who barely
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  Speaker 2: pay any attention to politics who know what they stand for. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the reason Crowley said this is he didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: have to defend any of the positions of the DSA.
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  Speaker 2: Defund the police. They either want to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: the House of Representatives or the Senate, pack the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff. Raise taxes out the wazoo, give away
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  Speaker 2: everything for free, all the crap that they believe in.
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  Speaker 2: So Crowley didn't want to have to defend himself. I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know what they stand for. It's actually possible
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  Speaker 2: he's so stupid he doesn't know what they stand for.
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  Speaker 2: And when Hong was the front-running candidate for governor, Crowley
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  Speaker 2: actually said, I agree with her on all the issues. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I love this. He said he agreed with her on
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  Speaker 2: all the issues, but then he comes out in this
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  Speaker 2: statement last night and he said he doesn't know what
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  Speaker 2: her positions are on any of the issues because he
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what the DSA stands for. Now, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: they prepped him on that question. There are people who
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  Speaker 2: are candidate handlers who try to prepare them, okay, you're
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: going to be asked this, here's what you say. It's
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  Speaker 2: possible they actually told him, say that you don't know
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  Speaker 2: what it is that they stand for because they knew
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  Speaker 2: that they couldn't trust Crowley to either disagree with their
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: stance on the issues or endorse them. But it's, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what they stand for. It's like saying
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't know where Racine is. And it was only
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  Speaker 2: an hour debate. The whole thing was that. And in
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: the meantime, Tiffany was just in such control and so composed,
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  Speaker 2: and even when the questions that came from the moderators
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: were hit pieces on the positions of Tiffany, he was
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  Speaker 2: ready and he had answers. Abortion is now pretty much
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  Speaker 2: a non-issue in Wisconsin because of the ruling by the
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  Speaker 2: state Supreme Court, which is going to be controlled by
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: leftists for the foreseeable future. But Tiffany did give a
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  Speaker 2: position on what kind of an abortion law he would support,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and it's 20 weeks. They asked Crowley, how many weeks
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  Speaker 2: would you have? And he couldn't answer that. And the
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  Speaker 2: reason he couldn't answer that is Crowley believes that you
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  Speaker 2: should be able to have every abortion that you want
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  Speaker 2: right up to and including the point of birth. That's
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  Speaker 2: his stance, but he doesn't want to say that. As
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  Speaker 2: I said, there's a lengthy story from Morgan Phillips of
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  Speaker 2: Fox News. who posted this on their national website, and
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  Speaker 2: she highlighted what she described as the five top moments.
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  Speaker 2: And these are the five moments in which the biggest
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: differentiation of the issues. And the first one is the
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  Speaker 2: abortion issue, in which Tiffany pointed to a 20-week limit
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  Speaker 2: and Crowley declined to name one. So David Crowley's position
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  Speaker 2: on abortion, he wouldn't specify because he isn't willing to
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  Speaker 2: put any restriction on abortion at all, evidently. And Tiffany
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  Speaker 2: said in his statement, I have a clear position on this.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing I've been saying for the last
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  Speaker 2: five months. By the way, you know, they've gotten better
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  Speaker 2: with candidates. There are people who do image making and
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: they change your look before you go on the campaign trail.
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  Speaker 2: Like they'll change your haircut and all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Did Crowley not hire anybody? What's with these goofy glasses
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: he has? There are some women, a number of women
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  Speaker 2: have gotten into this as a fashion thing of wearing
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: these big clunky black framed glasses. You've seen those, haven't you? What?
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  Speaker 2: Other colors. I see a lot of these big black ones.
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  Speaker 2: It's mostly older women that I think have them. And
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I know that this is probably unfair, but every time
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I see one, I just think that they're a liberal.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you say, it can't always be. And I've
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: learned over the period here of Trump that looks can
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: be deceiving. I've seen all sorts of people who I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: just never would have dreamed were supporters of Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: that actually were. But I just make that assumption. Anyway,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Crowley's got a version of that, except they're not black-framed.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: They're like these light-framed things, and they're just really, really big.
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  Speaker 2: And then because he's got this goofy smile on his face,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: he just looks so weird. I don't know why they,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, he might be somebody who can't wear contacts,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: but he's got, it's just a bizarro look. Anyway, the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: second issue that they pointed out, the surplus. This is
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: a big deal and it's not unprecedented in Wisconsin. That's
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a double negative. That means there's precedent for this. One
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: of the most interesting governor's race in Wisconsin history was
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in 1978. It was one of the rare cases of
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: an insurgent candidate being elected governor. The incumbent Democrat was
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Pat Lucey. He then resigned to become ambassador to Mexico,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: so his lieutenant governor, Marty Schreiber, took over as governor,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and he was the Democratic candidate. The front-running Republican candidate
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: was Bob Caston, who later on went on to be
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a United States senator, but at the time was a
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: member of Congress. the chancellor of UW-Stevens Point, Lee Dreyfus,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: ran against him in the Republican primary. I mean, in
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the history of Wisconsin, I don't think anybody's used the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: platform of a chancellor of one of the UW campuses
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to turn that into anything big in politics, but Dreyfus did.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And at the time, Wisconsin had a big surplus. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Dreyfus ran on the issue of, if I'm elected, I'm
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: going to give the money back to the people. He
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: said this is like robbery. When you overtax the public
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to the point that you're sitting on all of this
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: money and you haven't spent it, you should give it
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: back to them. It was just a huge winning issue.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Dreyfus went on and won the election. That was, in fairness,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a big Republican year. 1978 was the off-year election of
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter's presidency, and Jimmy Carter was terribly unpopular. He
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: was just an awful president. The country was a total mess,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and Republicans won everywhere, and Dreyfus was one of them. Okay,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: fast forward to now. even with the economy having issues,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin has an enormous budget surplus. Despite the fact that
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: we spend money in Wisconsin like crazy, they can't spend
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it fast enough. They've taken in taxes $ 3 billion more
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: than has been allocated in spending. In other words, as
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: much as they spend money, they've been taxing us even more.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So this is the exact opposite of what's going on
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: with the federal government, where of course we have a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: major deficit and we've had for years. Wisconsin, we have
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: this huge surplus. Tiffany came out of the debate and said,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give the whole thing back to the people. Now,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: if this happens, you're talking about an enormous, imagine pumping
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: $ 3 billion back into the state economy by giving it
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: right back to taxpayers. Crowley, I mean, if you're a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Crowley supporter out there, you could try to tell me
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: what his position on the surplus is. But it was incoherent.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: First of all, he's not going to say he wants
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to give the surplus back. We had a vote this year.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Tony Evers, the outgoing governor, cut a deal with the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Republicans in the legislature to split the difference. Most of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the surplus would be given back to the public. But
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a big chunk of it, about 30 to 40% of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the surplus would be spent on the schools. So Evers
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: did the thing that he wanted, massive windfall, a billion
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: dollars in free money for the school districts. And the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Republicans got, okay, we're giving back $ 2 billion in tax relief,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: biggest tax relief in Wisconsin history. The deal fell apart
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: because none of the Democrats in the legislature would support it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Tom Tiffany told the Republicans not to support it, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: most of them ignored him. The reason Tom Tiffany didn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: support it is he wants to be the governor and
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: he wants to give the whole thing back. Never mind
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: blowing another billion dollars on the already overfunded schools. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Tiffany came out of the debate and said, I'm going
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to give the whole thing back. Now Crowley can't say
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: this because his constituency is government and we all know
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: what he's going to do with it. He's going to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: give none of it back. They're going to spend it all.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: The majority will go to the schools, another chunk will
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: go to the university, and then the rest is going
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to be given out in aid to local government. And
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he's going to give none of it back, and then
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: he's going to raise taxes on top of that. Now,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: he can't say that. But he also can't say, I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: going to give all the surplus back, because then if
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: he wins, he's going to be hung with that. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: he ends up babbling around with a goofy smile and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: saying nothing about it. Tiffany, in the remaining two weeks here,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: less than two weeks, 12 days before actual Election Day,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: just needs to hammer on this. Crowley's going to keep
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the money that you were overtaxed, and I'm giving it back.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: They also discussed ICE. The Fox News report is a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: pretty accurate summary. Tiffany said government of Wisconsin will cooperate
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: with ICE, and Crowley was twiddling his thumbs around and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: essentially saying that he's going to take the Milwaukee County position,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: which bans local government and state government from cooperating with ICE.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: They discussed data centers. We'll get to that in a
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: moment because prior to the debate, Crowley, and I think
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it's just interesting he's waited this long to do it,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Crowley did a 180 on data centers. As you may know, actually,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Crowley's position on data centers is not far from my own.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a supporter of data centers. It's the new industrial revolution.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I understand, however, they are unpopular with the general public.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So Crowley's been running ads attacking Tiffany as being all
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: in on data centers. But the guy that's all in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: on data centers is Ben Crowley. Crowley actually believes government
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: should subsidize them. The reason he believes this is he
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: was getting a fortune from data center developers first as
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee County executive in his campaign fund and now as
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the candidate for governor. Anyway, I'll bring this up now,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: but prior to the debate, Crowley changed his position on
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: data centers. It's reported extensively on JS Online. Democratic Governor-Candidate
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: David Crowley has reversed his stance on Wisconsin data centers,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: now supporting a temporary construction pause while an environmental review
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is conducted. So Crowley, who was a cheerleader, everything was
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a pom-pom, so the data center suddenly wants to put
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a moratorium on all of them. Now, again, my guess
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: is that his pollsters have been doing polling on the issue,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and they're saying, David, you need to get on the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: ban the data center side of the issue. It's what
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: every Democrat in America is running on. But, again, you
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: see a guy who doesn't even know what his own
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: positions are. I know why Crowley was a big backer
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of data centers. He got money from the data center people,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't think anything through beyond that. And now
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: his campaign aides are saying, David, you got to get
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the issue. The donors that
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: gave you all this money, they can't make you give
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: it back. You've got it in your pocket. Just burn them,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: which he did. And the final issue in the Fox summary,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Crowley says he's not familiar with the DSA platform. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: highlighted that a moment ago. I mean, what a dumb
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: way of answering that question. And I understand. For instance,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Tiffany is constantly being asked about positions that Trump is taking.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: including some that, like the data center thing, that aren't
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that popular. Tiffany, in some instances, has broken with Trump.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: In other instances, he supports the positions he's taken. But
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: in each instance, Tiffany has explained his answer and tells
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you why he thinks what he does, in some cases
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: standing with Trump, in other cases not. So here's Crowley
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: with this problem, that the left wing of his party,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the DSA... has all these radicalized beliefs. And rather than
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Crowley breaking with them and criticizing and opposing some of them,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: he just gets up there and plays stupid. I don't
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: know what the DSA stands for. What, you don't pay
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: attention to the news? You're in politics, for heaven's sakes.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: There are 14-year-old kids that know what the DSA stands for.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And if you don't, just look at any of the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: protest marches and read their signs. So where is the race?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Voting began on Tuesday. One thing that I've noticed, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it's all a matter of what you observe,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: but I live in southeastern Wisconsin, so there I'm going
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to observe things in southeastern Wisconsin. I've not been anywhere
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: else in the state of the last several weeks. I
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: am seeing almost no signs for either candidate. I just
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: went to the gas, we're in southwestern Milwaukee County. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: went to the gas station before the podcast today. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I'm whirling around on 124th Street. 124th Street during elections,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: there's just always a lot of yard signs. More Republican
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: than Democrat. It's a generally Republican area, but not overwhelmingly so.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: There'd be Trump signs and there were Kamala signs and
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: all of that two years ago. I didn't see any
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: signs for either candidate. I don't know what to make
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of that. Usually to get a sign, you have to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: go and request a sign. Sometimes people go door to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: door and say, can I put up a sign in
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: your yard? The Democrats are crowing that their early voting
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: numbers are really high in Madison and Milwaukee. Well, they're
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: higher than they were in 2022, the last off-year election
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that we had. On the other hand, early voting numbers
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: are higher everywhere because simply more people early vote. Eventually,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: everybody is going to early vote, and we're moving toward that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: In the last election here in Wisconsin in 2024, more
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: people voted in advance of the election than on election day.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: But there's certainly a blue wave out there. We just
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's a big blue tidal wave or
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: if it's a ripple. It almost always works that way
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: in an off-year election. The party in control of the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: White House sustains losses in the midterm elections. It may
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: be that there's enough of a blue wave that a
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: terrible candidate beholden to the radicals like Crowley, who can't
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: even express himself, could actually win in a swing state
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: like Wisconsin. Or it could also be that even in
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: a Democratic year, Crowley is so terrible and Tiffany is
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: such a good candidate that he's able to buck that
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: wave and prevail. It's hard to say. I gave a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: speech a few days ago and I asked about this.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I said, in my mind, it's just a toss-up. If
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: you forced me to guess that it would only be
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a guess, I would say Tiffany's going to win. But
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that's not a prediction. It's just a guess. It's a nothing.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's the closest thing to 50-50. It's very,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: very hard to read. In a normal year, if this was, say,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: two years ago, We were coming off the disaster of
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Biden and so on. I think Tiffany would win by
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: 10 points because he's that much better of a candidate
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: than Crowley. And doesn't have, say, any of the negatives
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: that say Donald Trump has. Trump obviously alienated some Republicans
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and some swing voters because of his style. Tiffany is
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the most polite guy in the world. He doesn't have
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: that kind of negative affiliated with him. In the meantime,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: there's this story out there. We now have the second
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: instance of a fake polling company that has been producing
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: polls in which they never even took the poll. They
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: just released poll results that favored Democratic candidates, especially leftist ones.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: The company is called Wedgwood Polls. One of the firms
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that compiles polls had gotten an indication that Wedgwood's numbers
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: weren't on the up and up. And they began an investigation,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and Wedgwood admitted, we've made the whole thing up. We've
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: never conducted any polls. They used the same excuse that
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: was used with a company that was doing fake polling
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin and California, and that is, this is a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: social experiment. In other words, they're saying, we just were wondering,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: if we actually claim that we did a poll, will
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the media fall for it and report on it and
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: will say, all the companies that do the averages on
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the polls, will they include our poll? And the answer
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: is yes. As far as I can tell, there's nothing
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: criminal about this. If you just lie to the public,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that's not a crime. So I don't know if it's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: criminal to say that you conducted a poll when you didn't. Now,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: if somebody paid for the poll, that would be fraud.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody paid for the poll. They
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: just put this out there. And in every instance... What
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: they did was they took races in which you would
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: think that the Democrat would be far behind, say the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Kansas race, and they had the Democrat either even or ahead.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think this was a social experiment. I think
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: that this was a deliberate attempt. This is now the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: second instance that we have of leftists creating a fake
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: polling company to make their candidates appear to be doing
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: better than they are. Why would they do that? Donors
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: don't give money to lost causes. Let's imagine a candidate
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: is down by 9 or 10 points in, let's just say, Kansas.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: If you're a national donor, you're not going to kick
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: in $ 3 million to help out that candidate who's going
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to lose anyway. You give the money to candidates that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: either are going to win, so you're in good with them,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: or are in close races to push them over the top.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So Wedgwood was taking candidates, usually very, very leftist ones,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: running in general elections and inflating their numbers to way
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: beyond what other polls were showing. And it had worked.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: It was, you know, there's been reports on a lot
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: of the news organizations, New York Times and so on. Surprisingly,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: this particular race over here is neck and neck. One
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: of the races they did this in was South Carolina.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: South Carolina has the vacancy because of the death of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham. His sister, Darlene, is running against the Democrat there.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And Wedgwood put out a poll that showed it was
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: dead even, which of course would be shocking. South Carolina
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: hasn't elected a Democrat in decades. It now turns out
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: they just made it up. Add to this the factor,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and I bring this up every two years, and I'm
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: not sure that it sinks in with people, even though
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it's like clockwork. And we're seeing it again in Wisconsin.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Polls taken in August are always terrible for Republicans. This
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: goes back forever. You can go back to, let's see,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: what would the year be? 88. When the first Bush
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: was running against Dukakis, coming out of the Democratic Convention,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Dukakis was up by like 17 points. We've seen this
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: at polling in the state of Wisconsin as well. My
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: recollection was in 1986, 20-year-old was like dead even with
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Tommy Thompson. Thompson ended up winning going away. The polling
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: in the midsummer is always terrible for Republicans, and there's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: many theories as to why this is. Among them, Republicans
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: are likely to be away from home, and if you're
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: away from home, you're not responding to a pollster, you're
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: not answering the phone, you're not doing anything. There's that theory.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of others. My theory is simply that
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the heat of a campaign exposes how bad the leftist
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: candidates are. When you get weeks to be able to
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: point out how extreme and radical the positions of these
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: candidates are, that certainly happened with Dukakis. Dukakis was a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: really lefty governor of Massachusetts back in 1988, but he
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: was passing himself off as a moderate. But then the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: people running the first Bush, old man Bush, George H.W.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Bush's campaign, drew attention to a number of his lefty things,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: and the Willie Horton case, one of them, they let
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: this terrible, chronic career criminal out of prison, and he
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: committed a terrible crime, Willie Horton, and they ran that
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: into Which is, of course, that's what the caucus and
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the liberals in Massachusetts believed in and so on. So
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: that's my theory. But you're seeing in many states now
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Republicans gaining. That doesn't mean they're going to win. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the polls for Republicans across the board are better the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: last two weeks than they were, say, a month ago.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: There have not been many polls in Wisconsin. And again,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: many of these pollsters were just exposed in 2024 as
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: being inept, incompetent. There's two problems with these polls. One
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: is supporters of Trump in particular, that wing of the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Republican Party, just will not talk to pollsters. They just
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: won't do it. And the second one, when you do
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a poll, you're not just counting the number of respondents.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: You create a sample and weight the results. They oversample Democrats.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: There has been a change in America in political identification.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But they're still using the old models and oversampling Democrats
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: so when the weighted average comes out, The other problem
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in 2024 was the polls didn't fully pick up on
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the number of Latinos and African-Americans who decided for the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: first time in their lives to vote for Republicans. In
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: any event, there certainly seems to be a trend toward
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Democrats winning a lot of close races this fall. But
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: in the waning days of the campaign, the Republican candidates
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: seem to be gaining. And my thought on this is simply.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You've got so many out-and-out socialists running on the Democratic side,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: and when campaign ads come out and just keep saying
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: that over and over and over and over again, it
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: does start to sink in with some of the voters
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: who otherwise weren't paying a lot of attention. Now, let's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: get to Ilhan Omar. Some of you may remember Watergate.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You don't remember Watergate? You might remember the movie they
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: made about Watergate, All the President's Men. All the President's
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Men was not so much about the Watergate break-in and cover-up,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: but it was about the Washington Post's exposing of it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Robert Redford played Bob Woodward and Dustin Hoffman played Carl Bernstein.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And the story focused on their ferreting out through sources
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of the information that the Watergate break-in was part of
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: a much larger operation of illegal criminal activity by Richard Nixon,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: who was a crook and was a terrible president and
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: is overrated by contemporary Republicans. Nixon was just a bad guy.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: He stunk as a president. He governed from the left
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: on most issues. He kept the Vietnam War going on
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: unnecessarily for four years. And he was an unethical guy
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: who abused the power of government. He kind of paved
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the way for Obama and Biden and what they did
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: in abusing the power of government against Republicans. Anyway, all
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the president's men was about that. And Woodward and Bernstein,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in their reporting, were noticing every time they reported something,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the White House, the Nixon people, made it sound like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: they were denying the story but never denied it. And
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the term that came up was non-denial denial. People who
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: don't pay close attention And Bill Clinton was just such
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a great help for us on this. Bill Clinton was
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: better at weaseling around with his words than any politician ever.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: It would always make it sound like he was saying something,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: but I pay very close attention to words and I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: realize he didn't really say what you thought he all said.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: We got a major non-denial denial from Ilhan Omar. She's
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: being investigated for immigration fraud on two particular areas. The
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: first one, deals with whether or not she lied about
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: her age when she entered the country. She has claimed
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that she was 17 when she came in with her father,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: meaning she can come in by being the daughter of
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: somebody who was coming in and had permission to come
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: in from a foreign country. There are strong indications she
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: was actually 18, meaning an adult, meaning she doesn't get
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to just come in with her parent. She's got to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: prove on her own merits that she's a refugee and
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: so on. That's the first one. The second one is,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: after she got here, was her first husband, in fact,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: her brother. The allegation was that she married her own
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: brother in a sham marriage to get him in to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the United States. if you're married to an American, you
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: have a right to come into the United States. So
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the question is, did Omar marry her brother? The feds
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: have now raided her home and they got a DNA test.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: The DNA test is just huge because if they have
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the DNA from the brother, they can match the two.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: And if the DNA is the same, it means they
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: actually are brother and sister. It means that She married
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: her brother, presumably not out of some sort of kinky,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: bizarro thing of wanting to have sex with her own brother,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: but in an attempt to violate the immigration laws of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the United States of America. If she did that, obviously,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it means she's automatically deported from the United States. She'd
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: have to leave. We could prosecute her criminally, or we
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: could just throw her out of the country, send her
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: back to Somalia, or send her anywhere that we want
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to send her. And the news is tightening here with
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: regard to Ilhan Omar in terms of these facts coming
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: up on her. So she went on a very favorable
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: interview program. Chris Elliott on, excuse me, Chris Hayes. Chris
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Hayes on MSNOW, the old MSNBC, and we have an
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: audio cut of this. Who was this man that was
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: your husband?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: When did they start saying.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: That he was your brother?
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I started with the Somali blog that I don't know
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: if it still exists, but somebody put in there that
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: he had to have been my brother or something to
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: that effect. And right-wing conspiracy theorists in Minneapolis got a
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: hold of it, and they just kind of went and
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: found random people who were like, she introduced us. She
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: introduced him to us and said he was her brother,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: which is... you know, insane. I mean, I don't, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: don't know those people that they talk about.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: He was not, you were not related to him at all.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Not that there's not some weird kernel of truth that
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: through some game, not to my knowledge, that was.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: The, not to my knowledge, what you're talking about promising.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: That is a non denial denial. You weren't, you weren't
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: married to your brother. Not to my knowledge. That's not
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: a no, not to my knowledge. That's the softest denial
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: that you could imagine. That's like when you've got somebody,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: when they're being testified, they're being interrogated by the Congress
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: and they're asked about something that they did and to
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the rest of my knowledge, no. That's their way out
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of perjury by the best of their knowledge. Well, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't given that information or I don't remember the information
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: or I don't recall. Not to my knowledge. I obviously
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: don't know for sure. But that's the kind of answer
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: that a guilty person gives. It's very easy to disprove this.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: But she's done nothing to disprove it. If Ilhan Omar
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: did not marry her brother, all she has to do
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: is have the brother, he was not allowed to stay
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: in the United States, their attempt to get him in
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: here was unsuccessful, produce a blood test, and then have
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: her turn over her blood test and let's compare and
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: see whether or not it's the same or not. But
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: she hasn't done that. She, in fact, has done nothing.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And now given in a softball interview at MS now,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: she was good. The guy is like, of course, you
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: didn't do it. It's not to my knowledge. No, not
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of course not. Of course, I didn't do that. Not
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to my knowledge. The left is trying to wrap their
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: arms around here that this is some sort of political
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: witch hunt, but they've been investigating this for several years.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And this is on the both of them, it'd just
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: be clear violation of immigration law. You can't lie about
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: your age of birth when you, and remember, she got
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: into this country seeking asylum. Her father came in seeking asylum.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: When you're seeking asylum, it means you don't have to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: go through the normal process. And indeed, Somalia was a hellhole.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: But there's a fair amount of indication that Omar and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: her people came from the ones who were doing the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: oppressing in Somalia. And rather than being victims, needing asylum
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to get away from the oppression, that they were actually
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the oppressors. So if she lied about her age when
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: she came in, I mean, black and white, she didn't
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: come in legitimately and she's out of the country. But
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the second one is even more serious. When her brother
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: presented himself as Omar's wife and reason to come in,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and she verified that this is my husband, If, in fact,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: it was a false marriage, you certainly could make the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: case that it's criminal. But beyond that, it's immigration fraud
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and you don't get to stay in the United States.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Another story for you. Quite interesting. The Census Bureau has
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: these various divisions that survey people at any number of things. I,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: in fact, just got one of them, the community, whatever
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: they call surveys. I did not know what to do
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: with it because they sent it to my address in Florida.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I honestly didn't know what I was supposed to do.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I tried to call a couple of people because I'm not,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I am a permanent resident of Wisconsin and not of Florida.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And your permanent residence is supposed to be based on
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: where you spend the most time and so on. I'm
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: about 66 to 33%, 67, 33%, about eight months in Wisconsin,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: four months in Florida, but back and forth in each
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: of the thing. And so I'm a resident of Wisconsin,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: so I honestly didn't know if I should fill out
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: this census thing. But this wasn't being done for population.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: It was these things they do in the middle of
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: the decades, lifestyle information. Do you own your own home?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Do you rent? Do you do this? How many vehicles?
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: And the census does all of this for the purposes
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of getting demographic information on Americans, and it's valid. Well,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: one of the arms of the census every year surveys
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: young people on any number of attitudes. In addition to that,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and its affiliated arms also survey young people on health questions,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and the data's coming here from both of those sources.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And they found that in the past year, the number
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: of American high schoolers who identified as lesbian, gay, or
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: bisexual has plummeted from the year before. You're largely obviously
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: talking about the same people. If you're surveying high school students, 75%
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: of them are going to be the same people from
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: one year to the next. Seniors graduate, freshmen come in.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Why would the number significantly go down? I'll give you
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: my explanation, and it's the obvious. They never were gay.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: It was a fad. You know, 14, 15, 16 years old,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: you didn't even know what you are. I knew what
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I was. But there was so much approval for people
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that were coming out as gay. You go on Facebook,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I'm gay, and you get all these likes. The same
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: thing was happening with trans. Oh, I'm trans. I've decided
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: that I'm a boy after all. You get all these likes.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: It was the thing to do. Well, you can just
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: feel this. With the trans thing, I mean, you can
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: just sense that this is blowing away. People that switched
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: over and said that they were trans are not any
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: happier than they were before, and they're going back to
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the other thing. The difference with saying you're gay and
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: saying that you're trans is you can say you're gay
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and then the next year say you're not gay, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: there's no damage done to you because of it because
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: they don't do anything to you if you're gay or
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: straight or whatever, whereas with regard to trans, they start
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: giving you the hormones and they start chopping things off.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Let me quote from a report on this in the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Epoch Times. Girls identifying as lesbian, gay, or bisexual dropped
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: five percentage points, hitting 22% last year. Among boys, the
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: percentage point fell by 2% each points to 7%. So
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: last year, 22% of girls said that they were lesbian
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: or bisexual. That's more than one in five. It dropped
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to 17% in just a year. The number of boys
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: who said they were gay was lower, 7%, which is
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: still higher than I've seen in most surveys, and it
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: dropped two points down to five. That's a decline of 28%
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: among the boys and, let's see.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: 5 of 22.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Similar, like 22, 23% among the girls in just one year.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Quoting the story, The trends are striking, especially compared to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: data from a year or even a decade ago. Quoting
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: a professor at San Diego State University, John Twenge. The
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: trends are striking. Reasons for the decline in teen and lesbian, gay,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: or bisexual identification are not readily apparent. I have to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: confess I have no idea, Twenge wrote. Determining whether the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: numbers reflect the start of a trend requires further examination,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: she and other professionals say. Competing explanations for the shift
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: are emerging amid a larger debate over the alternative sexuality
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: in America. And again, my suggestion is peer pressure, identification,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: it's just trendy to be gay, that that's starting to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: fade away, particularly as you start saying you're gay, that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: means you're supposed to start acting gay, including sexual stuff
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: and all of this, and a whole lot of people
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: who never really were gay have decided they don't like this.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: You're listening to the Mark Belling Podcast. This is the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Mark Belling Podcast. This is the final podcast I will
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: do prior to the beginning of the World Series. The
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: next podcast comes out on Monday, and that means one
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: of three things are going to have happened by then.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: The Brewers are going to be up 2-0, they're going
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: to be down 0-2, or it's going to be tied 1-1.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: There's been so, you know, when you have a story
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: like this, a World Series coming to a city, especially
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: one like Milwaukee where we haven't had one, and Nearly
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: half a century. The media is going to cover everything
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: other than the actual story of there is going to
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: be a series of baseball games to determine who's the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: champion of baseball. And they're doing all these stories about this, that,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and the other thing. What I want to do is, A,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: comment on the incredible contrast between the World Series, which
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: is beginning, and the other sports championship that's going on
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: right now. They overlap, but the one started before the other.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: The WNBA finals are underway. They've played two games. The
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: World Series begins Friday. For the second game in a row,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the players in the WNBA series, it's Atlanta and Golden State,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: left the court so they were not on the court
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: during the national anthem. We're way past any notion that
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: this is a coincidence. This is a statement that they're
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: making that they don't want to be part of being
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: out there when we play the anthem. You contrast this
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to baseball. No matter where the baseball games are played,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: in the postseason, particularly the World Series, and this goes
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: back to when I was a kid, they decorate the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: stadium with, I think the term is bunting. Red, white,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and blue, like these half-circle banners, and they hang them
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: along the railings along the foul side and all the railings.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: There's this red, white, and blue, and the stadium just
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: looks all patriotic. They make a big deal of the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: national anthem. At the first game of the series and
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: then the first road game in the other city, the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: entire team for both, normally in baseball when the national
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: anthem is played, the team's players are just in the
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: dugout or they might stand out on the front step
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: of the dugout. But in the World Series, they all
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: come out and stand in the first and third baselines,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: all of them, after they introduce all of them and
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: they play the anthem. The flag is out there. You
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: can't have a more dramatic contrast in the message being
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: sent by the two sports. Here's the thing especially fascinating
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: about that. Baseball is the sport that has such a
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: lower percentage of athletes who actually are American. An enormous percentage,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: it's not half, but it's close, of baseball players are
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: not American. There are many that are from Central or
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: South America or the Caribbean islands. And of course, there
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: are Asian players as well. I would, you know, the
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: WNBA might have a few European players like the NBA does,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: but overwhelming majority of players in the WNBA are American.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: But Major League Baseball is played almost entirely in America.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: There is the one franchise in Canada. And baseball, clearly,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: even the, you know, the nickname for baseball, it's America's pastime.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And there's no shyness about showing This at all. Furthermore,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: at Brewer games, they don't do it at all of them,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: but I think they do it at all of the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: postseason games. The ones that I went to so far,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the seventh inning, before they do
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: take me out to the ball game and roll out
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: the barrel, they sing God Bless America. The same guy's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: been doing it for, I swear, 40 years. What's his name?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Bob something. Can you imagine if, between the third and
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter of a WNBA game, they sang God Bless
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: America and crowned me Boeing? I, as I've confessed in
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the past, am not paying much of any attention to
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the WNBA. I do know that Atlanta's up 2-0. That's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: all I know. I don't know anything beyond that. And
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know anything beyond that because just
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: by their messaging and the imaging they're sending out, they're saying,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: We're not for you. You're a patriotic right-wing Republican white male.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark's not in this. Sophie Cunningham's not in this.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: There's no reason for you to watch it. We don't
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: want you. I understand they don't want me, so therefore
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch. In the meantime, is there
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: a sport more diverse than baseball? The one fall-off has
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: been in African-Americans. In the 60s and 70s, huge numbers
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: of baseball players are African-American. Now there aren't that many.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Do the Brewers have two? I'd have to think about it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: There are a few white guys. There's Asians. And then
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the number of people from South America, Venezuela in particular,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Central America, Nicaragua's had some baseball players, and many from
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: the islands, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic in particular. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I think more than any sport, everybody does kind of
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: just seem to get along. There are very few tensions
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: that you see with regard to differences in ethnicity or
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: race that ever seem to crop up in Major League Baseball.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Look at a team like the Brewers. I mean, the
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Latinos do seem to translate for each other. Those that
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: don't want to answer questions in English beyond that, they
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: all seem fine with one another. And the fan base
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: celebrates the all of them. About the World Series itself.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I want to use this segment to give you my analysis.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I hinted at this on the Wednesday podcast, so I
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: won't spend a lot of time. I think that this
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: is a dead even series. I look at these two
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: teams and they're clones of each other in everything. Even
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: the way they're structured. They are teams that have invested
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: an extreme amount of money in scouting and player development.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: but not in salary. Scouting and player development doesn't cost
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: as much money as salaries. So small market teams that
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: have thrived have put an incredible emphasis on that and
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: maybe the 10 to 15 million that they're spending on
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that beyond other teams doesn't go into the salaries because
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: they figure we can at least excel in this. Tampa
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Bay has been good forever. Tampa Bay is not a
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: terribly small market, but They get no fan support there.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: The media rights go for almost nothing, and they get
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: very little ticket sales. It's just a team that has
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: not been embraced by their own community. So for that reason,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: in order to make the franchise make business sense, they
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: don't spend a lot of money on players. Yet they've
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: been able to thrive because they do a remarkable job
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: of deciding who to draft and then of trading. And
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: if you look at this particular series, you can just
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: see that. One of the most high-profile trades the Brewers
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: have made over the last 10 years is probably a
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: trade in which, you know, they say, who won the trade?
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Tampa probably won the trade. It was Drew Rasmussen for
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Willie Adamas. The trade certainly worked for the Brewers. Willie
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Adamas was a starting shortstop for several years. He had
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: a ton of home runs. He was a leader in
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: the clubhouse. He didn't hit it for high batting average,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: but he was a better than average fielder, a lot
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: of power. But Drew Rasmussen has been, over the last
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: number of years, one of the best pitchers in all
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball. And I think he's got a
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: big chance to win the Cy Young Award this year.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I think a starting pitcher, a top starting pitcher, is
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: always better than a hitter. But my bias has always
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: been that pitching stops good hitting. And if you have
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: a dominant pitcher, doesn't matter who it is that you're
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: sending up in the lineup. But my point is, is
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: that when Tampa Bay got rid of Adamas, who was
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: a young, Willie was like 24 at the time. They
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: got back a gold mine in return. The Brewers have
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: made trades with other teams over the years in which
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: we've gotten talented players and we gave up guys who
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: went on to do nothing for the other team. So
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: both teams do a great job of scouting both players
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that are not yet in professional baseball and then others
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: that are in the minor league systems of other teams
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: or maybe in the major leagues and they see potential
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: in players that may not be succeeding yet. The Brewers
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: every year bring out a pitcher who's been flopping around
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: at another team. Kyle Harrison was the pitcher this year.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: And came over and thrived with the Brewers. Tampa Bay
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: has done the same thing. The Brewers at the end
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: of last season traded away Freddie Peralta to the Mets.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: The Brewers tend to trade guys away when they're in
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: the last year of their contract because they aren't going
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: to give money to somebody over the age of 30,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: particularly a pitcher. And I think Teams that give big
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: money to pitchers over the age of 30 are always
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: going to screw themselves up. The history is just clear
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: on that. You can rattle off names forever and ever
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and ever. Corbin Burns is one of them. There's just
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of them. So the Brewers did what they
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: always did. Freddie was traded away and they got a
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: couple of players for him. The big haul in that
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: trade is still on the minor leagues. Jet Williams. Don't
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: know if he's going to work out or not. Freddie
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: went to the Mets and was terrible. Just terrible. Maybe
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: the worst starting pitcher in all of Major League Baseball.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: The Mets are going nowhere, so the guy that they
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: traded for only a few months earlier, they're ready to dump. Again,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: he's in the last year of his contract. Tampa traded
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: for him. I don't know what Tampa did, but it's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the same as the Brewers. When pitchers come to Milwaukee,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: they get better. When pitchers go to Tampa, they get better.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Both teams specialize in this. Both teams have very good
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: offensive players who are not widely known to the general
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: public because they're not dominant in any particular statistic. If
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: you look at the Brewer roster, almost everybody on the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: team has a decent enough batting average and has at
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: least some power and some speed, and almost everybody who
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: makes the field for the Brewers is a good fielder.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't go with Tampa. Tampa's bullpen is very good.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Tampa had the best record in the American League. The
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Brewers had the best record in the National League. Negatives
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: to the Brewers. I fear in the first two games
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: of the series, Tampa has the pitching matchup edge. Drew
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Rasmussen versus Jacob Mizorowski. I mean, as I say, this
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: is probably the two Cy Young winners. There's a Cy
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Young award handed out in each league. But I think
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Miz has been arm-tired down the stretch here, which is
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: why they only have him go four or five innings.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: And Rasmussen's a veteran. His arm strength is built up,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and he's going six and seven innings. It's a very
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: close call, but a tweak of an edge maybe to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. You flip that around, if you want to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: look at the hitting on the two teams right now,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the Brewers were second in all of Major League Baseball
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: in runs scored. I think the Brewers hit a little
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: bit better than Tampa. Bullpens, the Brewer bullpen has been brilliant,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: but this doesn't go on forever. The problem with using
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: four relievers in a game is you need just one
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: guy to screw up and cost you the whole game.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: There's been a couple of games where that's happened for
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: the Brewers, but the screw-up was never reliever coming up
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and giving up five runs. Like in Game 4 of
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers series, Dustin May came up. He inherited the runners,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: but he gave up three runs. One of them, I think,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: was charged to Drohan, who started the game. But that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: was the end of it. He settled that it was
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the end of it. So, like, three was the worst
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: game any of the relievers have had. You keep using relievers,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: somebody's going to blow up. So I would lean that
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Tampa has the slight edge in either of those games,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: but then you counter that with the fact that the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Brewers have been better. The Brewers were great at home
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: and the row, but their record at home was outstanding. Same,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: by the way, true of Tampa. One thing points to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: the Brewers. I mentioned that these are the two teams
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: with the best records in baseball. Tampa Bay's in the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: American League. It was a lot easier to have a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: great record there. I think only five teams in the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: entire American League had winning records. I believe, I might
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: be wrong, I think Houston won the AL West with
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: a 500 record. Maybe they were one game over. The
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: AL West had either nobody over 500 or Houston just
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: won over. And then the AL Central had Cleveland a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: few games over and the White Sox barely over. The
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: reason that you had so many bad teams in the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: American League is in interleague play, when you'd have games
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: that in the National and the American League, This was
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: it was the most staggering dominance by one league over
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: another since they went to the full round of interleague play.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: It used to be that they'd only be one or
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: two series like you'd play like the White Sox would
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: play the Cubs and so on. But now they have
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: a full. I don't know how many games there are
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: in interleague play, but it's over 20 since they went
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: to this full round. There's never been a year in
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: which one league won a greater percentage of the game
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: than this year, and that's because the National League dominated
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: the Americans. So the National League was just a stronger
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: league this year. So for the Brewers to win the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: 103 in the National League is a greater accomplishment than Tampa. However,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: what happened during the regular season doesn't matter. What matters
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: is now. The Brewers have lost only one postseason game. Tampa,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I believe, they lose three. Tampa lost two to Cleveland
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: before they put them away 4-2. And who did Tampa
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: have in the ALCS? Do you recall, Jason? Are you
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: on strike on baseball because of the non-participation? No, no, no.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: But in the division series before that. They lost two
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: games to the Guardians. Who did they play in the ALDS?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: The Yankees. And do you remember what the numbers on
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: that were? That would have been a five-game series, I believe.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Was it 3-1?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: 3-1.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, Tampa lost three games in the postseason.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: The Brewers have lost only the one. But then there's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: this gap. The Brewers haven't played since Thursday of last week.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Tampa hasn't played since, was it Saturday of this past week?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: They bought off for a time. Momentum is kind of gone.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you can say that a team that hasn't
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: played in a while is rusty. The flip side to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: that for the Brewers is the Brewers' arms needed a rest.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: The bullpen's been heavily used, and these young starters... you know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: they're doggone near fried. You come up with a series
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: here that in my, the Brewers are heavily favored at
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: the betting odds. I find this to be almost a toss-up.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: And for all this celebration, oh, it's just so great.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: And I, first of all, I'm hearing people, I don't
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: even care if we win the World Series. I just
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: want to be in an, oh my God. That's real
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: easy to say until you get into one. There's nothing
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: worse than losing a championship. I look at the Packers.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: In the modern era, they've lost only two championship games.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: They lost the NFL championship in 1960. That was Lombardi's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: second year to the Eagles. Game ended with the Packers
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: in the nine-yard line of Philadelphia. And they lost the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, the one that was played in San Diego.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think a Super Bowl is hard because it's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: played the year following the season of that number. But
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: the Packers won the Super Bowl in New Orleans that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I was at, and they lost to Denver the following year.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: But those are the only two where the Packers got
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to the final game and won, whereas they won numerous
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: NFL championships. And then after the Super Bowl came around,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: won the four of them. So, yeah, now that you're there,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: you don't want to lose it. And you could say, well,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: we're really good. We're going to be back. And I've
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: been saying this to people for so long, the years
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: that the Brewers had crap on it. Look, in the postseason...
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: You just have to get there. It's amazing the number
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: of teams that don't have very good season and to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: get to the World Series this year. The best team
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: in each league got there. The number one seed in
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: both leagues got there. That's rare. But if you get
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: in there and you play well enough, eventually you're going
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: to get into one, and we got into one. Will
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: they be back next year? Will there even be a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: season next year? Don't know. So this is their opportunity
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: to win one, and unfortunately, I would have much preferred
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: to play Cleveland. But you've got Tampa Bay and Here
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: it is. It's going to be a nerve-wracking several days.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: This story for you. The descendants of the Native American chief.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think maybe I knew this and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: I forgot this. Did you know that the guy that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: was the logo for the old Washington Redskins football team,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: that that was actually a portrait, an image of a
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: real person? You knew that. I didn't. Or if I did,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I forgot it. I thought it was just like, for example,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I think of the Milwaukee Brave logo, which became the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Atlanta Brave logo, where it's this guy with a big
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: smile on his face and the feather. I know nobody
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: posed for that. That was just somebody's caricature of a
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Native American. But the Washington Redskin logo, in which you
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: had an Indian chief with a distinguished look at his face,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: there was actually a Native American chief that was used
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: as the model for that. His descendants are now coming
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: out asking President Trump to order that the Washington commander's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: name be changed back to the Redskins. Now, I don't
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: know how Trump could order that. People are asking, because
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Trump does take an expansive view of his role in
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: government and does issue a bunch of edicts at the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: court stopping him from doing it. I don't know how
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: he can order the commanders to go back to be
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: the Redskins, but The rationale of this family is interesting. Remember,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: the reason we dropped all of these Native American names,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: there's hardly any left. The ones that have survived are
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: survived because the Native American population wants them. For example,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Florida State is the Seminoles. The Seminole Nation of Florida,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: which is very powerful, they own the hard rock chain.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: They own the hard rock casinos. The Seminole Nation likes
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: that name. and they support Florida State's using it. And
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: in fact, it's a matter of pride for them. They
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: don't think it's offensive. They think it's a matter of respect.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: So Florida State's not under pressure to drop this because
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: the Seminoles are saying, we like this name. But otherwise,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: teams with any kind of Indian name or Chippewa, they're
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: just followed by the wayside right and left. Despite the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: fact that every time they conduct a poll, they show
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: that most Native Americans like these names. So in reading
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: this story, the descendants of the Native American chief who
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: inspired the Washington Redskins logo want Trump to help restore
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: the NFL team's former name and image. Here's his quote.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: They tried to erase us like we didn't exist anymore.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: The family also wants the Washington Commanders' new stadium. They're
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: building a new one. By the way, a lot of
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: NFL stadiums are being built. They want it to be
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: named after the chief who was the inspiration for the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: old Washington Redskins logo. His name is Chief Two-Guns Whitecalf.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: And they want to name the stadium after him. So
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: you're seeing here, at least from these descendants, that rather
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: than being offended by this name, they think that the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: elimination of this name is almost trying to erase Native
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Americans from our consciousness. If you're a Native American, why
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you want to be honored with your name? Well,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: they're racially offensive. Every mascot and logo is a caricature.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: You're having fun. Look at Bernie Brewer. Look at Barrel Man.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: The big barrel, the beer barrel, he's walking around with
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: a goofy bat. That's what logos and characterizations are, but
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: it's never an attempt to demean. So Chief Tugun's white
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: calf's family wants the Redskins' name back, and at the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: very least, they want the new Commander Stadium named after him.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Let's real briefly move to interesting developments in Russia and Ukraine.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Russia has apparently committed to renewed talks between the United
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: States and Ukraine on November 10th. Now, that's a good
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: time away. That's nearly three weeks. Yeah, about three weeks.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Let's see, eight, nine, 19 days. So a lot can
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: go wrong. But I think Trump has succeeded. He just
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: sent Stephen Wyckoff, his envoy, to Moscow to meet with Putin.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: So I think Trump is doing everything in his power
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: to force these two sides to the table and force
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Zelensky in Ukraine to understand that our support may not
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: be around much longer, so he better be willing to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: cut a deal and end this idiotic thing. In the meantime,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just struck by how little coverage this story has gotten.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Stephen Hubbard. Stephen Hubbard was taken hostage by the Russians
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: four years ago. It was during the Biden administration. They
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: claimed he was a Ukrainian spy. There's never been any
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: evidence of that. The Russians were just grabbing people over
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the last 10 years. Like, recall how they grabbed Brittany Griner?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: In her case, they actually had the goods on her.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: They found pot on her. Remember Brittany Griner said they
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: didn't even read me my rights? She's out of Russia! Yeah,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: they read you your rights in Russia. Anyway, Stephen Hubbard
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: has been held by the Russians for four years. Trump
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: has negotiated his release. He's now free. He's 73 years old.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I just think it's striking that this guy who did
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong, he's a businessman, he was in Russia on business,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: and they grabbed him for leverage, which is what the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Russians do. How many people were clamoring for his release?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Compare that to Brittany Griner, who got it. caught by
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: the Russians because she actually did something, you're not supposed
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: to run around with pot in Russia. I think they
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: caught her at the airport, didn't they? I don't even
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: think you're supposed to go to the airport in Milwaukee
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: with pot. Are you? I don't know how that works.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: In the states in which pot is legal, I guess
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: you can't. Anyway. Trump has succeeded in getting Hubbard released.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: For the people that think that Trump has been too pro-Putin,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I keep arguing that Trump is trying to represent the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: interests of the Americans right now. And that is to A,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: get us to stop spending all this money on behalf
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: of Ukraine and B, ending the war. And C, Ukraine
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: hasn't taken any of our hostages. You could say you're
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: rewarding Putin for doing it, but you could take that
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: stance forever and ever and ever, but you're not going
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: to get your people back. So I talk all the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: time about how Trump is his own good cop, bad cop.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: He's playing good cop with Putin right now. And he's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: playing bad cop with Zelensky. He's trying everything he can
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: to get these two arrogant tyrants, and they both are,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: to cut a deal. Zelensky is now saying, I'm willing
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: to accept a deal that draws the national lines where
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: the battle lines are right now. Well, see, Ukraine has
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: not actually lost any of that land. in the eastern
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: portion of the country. So of course he would say that,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: but in the end, this is going to be a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: real estate negotiation. How much does Russia get in order
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: for this thing to end? And until you have the
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: both sides that are willing to do that, and I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: do think in the end, Trump's going to have to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: be bad cop with Zelensky if for no other reason
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: we rely on Russia for more than we rely on
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Ukraine for. What do we need from Ukraine? But we
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: need diesel fuel and we need other energy and natural
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: resources from the Russians. We also need Russia not to
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: use its vast military to help out the Iranians. This
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: war is still going on because both of these nations
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: are led by irrational people. The Ukrainians who have pig-headed
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: people in the United States who somehow think that they
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: can lose a war without losing any land, kind of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: the argument of the Palestinians after Egypt attacked Israel and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Israel grabbed up additional land. And there are also, frankly,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: supporters of Russia in the United States who think that
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: everything that Vladimir Putin wants, we're supposed to roll over
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: and give him. The fact of the matter is, is
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: that we've not been giving military aid to Russia, but
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: we've been giving a ton of military aid to Ukraine.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: And it just needs to end. We're giving Ukraine money
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: to keep a war going that has driven up our
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: own energy costs, particularly diesel. to no benefit to the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: United States, which ought to be the sole criteria by
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: which we make any of our decisions. Our weekly football
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: preview and point spread picks are next on the Mark
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Belling Podcast. This is the Mark Belling Podcast, and it's
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: time for our weekly football preview and point spread picks. Yes,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: even as the World Series is beginning in Milwaukee, there's
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: still all sorts of football going on. In fact, basketball
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: is going on. I'm not sure of this, but this
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: might be the first time all three professional teams in
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin were playing at the same time. The World Series
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: and the start of the NBA have overlapped for the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: last several years, but the Brewers have never been in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: it this late into the season. So you have the Packers, Brewers,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: and Bucks all actively playing right now, which is mildly interesting.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: All right, let's start talking about some Football. First of all,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: I want to introduce Mike Berlet of American Sports Analysts
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: in Madison. Their website is asawins.com. We're recording this program
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: for those of you who hear it later on Thursday afternoon.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Anything you'd like to share about picks or promotions or
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: something you might have going on this weekend?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Sure. Last week, not a great weekend for us. We
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: were 2-2 on Saturday but did win our top game,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: picked up a little bit on Saturday and 2-3 on
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: Sunday and lost our top game. So Gave some of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: it back or all of it back, plus a little
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: on Sunday. Liked the slate this weekend, especially in college.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: If you want to check on Friday, you can follow
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: us on Twitter as well as at ASAWins is our
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: X handle. I'd check Friday, and I think we'll have
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: another big play in college. We won last week, so
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: hopefully back-to-backers.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, ASAWins.com is the website. Let's start by discussing college football.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: I want to talk first of all about the game
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: between USC– and Wisconsin. Game in the Big Ten. It's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: the first time these teams have played at all since,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I believe, 2015 when they played in a bowl. And
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: outside of a bowl, it's the first time they played
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: since the 1960s. The last time Wisconsin played USC, a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: USC running back ran rough shot over the Badgers and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I think ran for more than 200 yards. Do you
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: know who that was, Mike?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, Charles White? No, that had to be before that.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Before.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Simpson. Oh, Jay Simpson ran for a zillion yards against
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: the Badgers and then in the 1960s. So that and
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: USC has not been in Madison since 1965. But with
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: the realignment and all that, you're going to have games
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: like this occasionally go on. USC is six and one.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: And I thought going into the season, you know, I
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: always pick them against these bad teams that they play.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: They'd be pretty good, even though they're six and one.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: They just don't seem impressive to me. They've beaten. They've.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Got a common opponent. Wisconsin beat Penn State. USC beat
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Penn State. They beat Washington, which doesn't seem to be
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: that good. They lost to Oregon at home at USC.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: But Oregon seems not to be as good as they've been.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how good USC is. Last week, Wisconsin
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: went to UCLA and just could not score on UCLA.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: But I'm of the opinion that at least in mid-October,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: UCLA is better than Southern California. USC is favored by
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: three points over Wisconsin and... Mike, I think the Badgers
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: are going to win the game. Give me your thoughts
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: on this game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting spread. I don't disagree with you, Mark,
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  Speaker 3: about UCLA being better.
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  Speaker 6: They're a better overall team.
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  Speaker 3: For example, UCLA is top 25 both offense and defense
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: yards per play. USC is top 25 offense, but outside
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: the top 100 defense in yards per play, UCLA is
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: the better team, and it's the same spread this week.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: And the game is in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 6: Correct, correct.
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  Speaker 3: So it seems a little high to me as well.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: It's a huge, huge game for Wisconsin, right? If they
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: lose this game, they're at Iowa next week, who's beaten
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: Wisconsin by a combined score of 81 to 10 the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: last two years.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't expect them to go on their win.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: If they lose this, they're probably looking at a three-game
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: losing streak.
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  Speaker 6: So this is a huge game for them.
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  Speaker 3: I want to touch real quickly on last week's game.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: The big difference in that game was third downs. That
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: changed the whole game. UCLA was 13 of 20 on
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: offense on third down. Wisconsin was 3 of 10. And
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: what that led to is UCLA running long possessions. UCLA
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: ran 71 offensive snaps last week.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: Wisconsin ran 49. Hard to win when the.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Other team has 22 more offensive snaps and 22 more
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: chances to technically score points.
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  Speaker 6: So that was the difference last week. One thing I
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: like about this week for Wisconsin, USC.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Has terrible road against the spread situations. They're just bad
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: against the spread and straight up on the road, especially
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: in the Midwest and East time zones. They played two
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: games in the Midwest East this year. They beat Rutgers
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: by seven as a 21-point favorite. As you mentioned, they
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: beat Penn State by eight. But even with those, they're
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: now 5-13 straight up when playing in the Midwest or
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: East Coast time zone the last decade, 3-15 against the spread.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: And since Lincoln Riley took over in 2022, they've been
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: favored on the road 16 times and only covered three.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: Wisconsin, this is a huge game for them. I think
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: they have a really good chance to win it. I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, USC's strength, as Mike said, is the offense. Wisconsin's defense,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: I think, is very good, and I think Wisconsin's offense
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: back at home will be able to move the ball
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: against USC. I think it's a very, very close game.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: That game, by the way, is up against Game 2
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: of the World Series. The Badgers play at 630, and
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: that game is on, I think, NBC, and the Brewers
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: play Tampa on the game on Fox. at seven o'clock
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: our time, looking around at games around the country, there
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: aren't a lot of elite matchups involving ranked teams, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: I pulled out, I think a pretty interesting one. Pittsburgh
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: plays Miami last weekend. It was carnage at the top
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: of the rankings. I think more than half the teams
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: in the top 10 lost last week. So anybody that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: one moved up and right now, Miami of Florida is
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: ranked number one in the country. I have no clue
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: who the best team in America is because nobody seems
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: all that great to me. I would like to say
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, but they just lost their quarterback, Sayan, probably
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: for the season. Miami's ranked number one in America in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: the ACC, which is terrible. Pittsburgh is one of the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: better teams. But Pittsburgh, as long as they've had their
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: coach there, Narduzzi, they are just an up-and-down team. They
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: get upset in games they should win. In other weeks,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: they look really good. They can never put together a
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: full season. part of me thinks this could be an upset,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: but I've got to grant you that Miami hasn't played
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: many close games. They usually are winning games decisively. I
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: want to get your take on what I think, other
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: than the Badger game, is the most interesting game this
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: weekend in college football.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, five of the top seven AP
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: teams lost last week. That's the first time it's ever
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: happened in the history of the AP Bowl. So, yeah,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: there was carnage up top for sure. I think if
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Pitt was full strength, They'd have a shot here, but
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: they lost their quarterback a couple weeks ago for the season.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: He's out.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: They were 5-0 when they lost him. Now they've lost
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: back-to-back games at home against North Carolina and at Boston.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: College last week.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Two weeks ago against North Carolina, they played a senior
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: transfer from Texas State at quarterback. Last week they completely
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: switched and went with a true freshman, so they're still
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: tinkering at quarterback. Not a great situation going into that
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: game because of that. And there may be some bad
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: blood here. There is for Pitt, and Miami might take
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: this to heart, too. I mean, the Pitt coach, Narduzzi,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: talked about in the offseason and leading up to this
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: game this week how Miami plays by their own rules
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the portal, basically claiming that they cheat.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: He basically said.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: As well that Miami was.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: It's basically whoever gives the most money, the players leave.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Miami does have a history, though. Some of these players
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: who transfer have two-year contracts. They don't call them contracts,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: but they accept NIL deals for two years, and Miami
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: just cherry-picks them away because the deals apparently aren't binding.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: But I guess Pitt must think that Miami just, they'll
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: grab anybody, and is that what his allegation is, is
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: that whatever the rules are, they break them?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Well, part of it is because he claims Miami was
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: contacting his starting quarterback during the season last year.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, that I can't do. We're not supposed to talk
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: to him during the year.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he claimed Miami was tampering with him. Thus
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: is why he was upset about that. So there's some
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: bad blood there. Miami's favored by around 20 points. Last year,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Miami was only favored by 6.5 points, so it's a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: big swing.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: But Miami won by 31 last year.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: I think right now I would agree Miami's probably the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: best team in the country.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: It's hard to tell.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I think Ohio State would be at full strength. They
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: play the easiest schedule, though. They'll be favored by more
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: than two touchdowns in every remaining game except at Notre Dame.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: If they went at Notre Dame and went out, they've got.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: To be the number one seed heading into the tournament
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: for sure.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Do they play North Carolina this year?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: Next week, I think.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, they do.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: At North Carolina.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, North Carolina. That's Bill Belichick. They've gotten better in
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: his second year. It's not like his New England Patriot offenses,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: but they're winning grind-em-out games, and I just think Miami's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: going to lose a game somewhere in there. They only
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: beat Florida State. I think that game went to overtime
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: last week, and Florida State is nowhere near as good
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: as Miami is. Maybe it's because of the portal and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of things, but it's created– There's that parody
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: across college football because it's the haves and the have-nots,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: but I think a lot of the haves are very
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: close in ability to the other haves. Let's turn our
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: attention to the NFL. The Packers, who may be a
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: lot better than I thought they were, I'd given up
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: on them, have come off two convincing wins in a row,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: beating the Bears and then beating Dallas. They go to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Detroit to play the Lions in a major game, a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: divisional game this weekend. The Lions are off the bye,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: and Detroit's favored by three points. Packers and Lions, Mike.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: I don't like it. I think the line's right where
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: it should be.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Detroit's got the bonus of coming off a bye.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: What I do like, I agree with you, Mark.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, and I think I mentioned on
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: the show, I think the Packers were a bottom 10
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: type team as early as two or three weeks ago.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: Their defense has been good the whole year. Their offense
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: has flipped the switch here because Because of the offensive line.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: The offensive line all of a.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: Sudden is better with.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: The guys they brought in. We talked about that last week.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: But the Packers still can't run the ball.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: They can't run. Jacobs comes back at some point. Are
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: they going to be able to run the ball with him?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: Or maybe the.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Offensive line is a good pass-blocking offensive line, not a
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: good run-blocking offensive line. I think they'll have to get
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: that going. But passing-wise, Jordan Love, the last three games,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: has completed 69% of his passes. The first three games,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: He completed 52%. He was hit 30 times in the
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: first three games and only 15, the last three. So
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: the offensive line is obviously getting better. The interesting situation
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: in this game, they should be well offense again, because
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: total defense Detroit's terrible.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: They're last in the NFL.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Detroit is the worst defense in the league, but they
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: have a winning record. Yeah.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: They have a winning record because their offense is awfully good.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: Obviously the Packer games are averaging 42 total points this year.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: And this total is set at 53. That got my attention. Why?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Because the Lions are 5-0 to the over this year.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: They're averaging 62 total points per game this year, which
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: is the most in the NFL. That's why the line
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: is high. The Packer defense, especially against the pass, has
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: been really good this year.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: Top seven, I think they are. But we'll find out
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: more here.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Here are the quarterbacks that the Packers' defense has faced.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz, Geno Smith, Michael Penix in his first start
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: in 10 months, Rookie Jalen Daniels and Tyson Bajan. That
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: was before Dak last week, and they played well last week.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: I think we'll find out more.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: If they play well this week, then I'm convinced they
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: have a really good pass defense as well. I'm probably
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: leaning over in this game. I don't like taking overs
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: when the line's this high. But just with the history
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: of these two teams, Love's played three times at Detroit.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: All three went over, averaged 57 points. I think both
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: offenses will do well. I'd probably lean over.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: As far as the side, I think it's really tough.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: I think the line is right where it should be.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: And rather than focus on another game in the NFL,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: in looking at the standings, the NFC North right now,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: if you look at the standings, take the records of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: all four teams combined, 17-6, but three times divisional teams
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: have played one another. So if you throw these out,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: the NFC North is 14-3 when teams in the NFC
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: North play anybody else in the NFL. Now, this is
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: through six weeks, but I don't think that there's, you know,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are still unbeaten. I don't know that there's
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: a bad team in the division. Does this hold up
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: to the course of the season, and is the NFC
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: North the elite division in the NFL?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, obviously the NFC West was
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: considered elite coming in with the Rams and the 49ers
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: and the Seahawks, but, you know, two of those teams
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: are 500 or lower right now, so... They haven't played
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: very well. I'd have to say right now the NFC
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: North is the best division.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: They're the only team, the only division with all four.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Teams with a positive point differential. All four teams are
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: above 500 in that division. And as far as the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: wild card goes, I guess it's possible that all.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: Four teams could get in the playoffs.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: That didn't become possible until 2020 when the NFL went
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: to three wild card teams, four division winners, three wild
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: card teams.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: So it's never happened, but it is possible. And I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: guess when you look at it, Mark, the only.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Way it would happen is all three of the wildcard
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: teams that have to be from the North. But as
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: you say, based on what they're right now, it's hard
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: to say which of these teams isn't a playoff team.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe who's the worst team in the division? Maybe Green Bay.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: Green Bay's got the worst point differential in division, but
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: the best yards for play differential in the division. I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: think Minnesota is still overrated at five and oh, I
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: think they're going to lose. lose, you know, two, three
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: games coming up.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: When are they going to play a good team though?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, every week Minnesota plays somebody that's bad.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: They do. And this week they play Indianapolis is an
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: okay team, but Minnesota is coming off a buy.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: They're in a better situation. I mean, Indianapolis just can
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: their GM. Um, yeah, I, I don't think Minnesota is
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: the best team in the division, even though they're five
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: and oh, and as far as the wildcard goes, I mean,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: you can all it's early, but you can almost rule
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: out the NFC East and NFC South. I mean, they're,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: Those are terrible divisions.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the NFC East, you wonder who could possibly win it.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's nobody any good in it, and the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: NFC South is even worse than the East.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you're.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Talking probably those two division winners around 500, and then
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: it leaves NFC North and NFC West to battle out.
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  Speaker 6: For three wildcard spots.
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  Speaker 3: So it's possible this year.
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  Speaker 6: Never happened. I don't think it will, but it's possible
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  Speaker 6: that they could get everyone in the playoffs. Right now
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  Speaker 6: they're the best division, I think.
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  Speaker 2: The great mystery of the Los Angeles Rams, everybody's pick
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. They lost again last week.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: They lost to the worst team in the NFC West, Arizona.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: There's something wrong with the Rams, and nobody puts a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: finger on them. That was Mike's pick last week, and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: he took a loss at a game in which I
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people thought the Rams are finally
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: going to break out. And in fact, it turned out
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: to be their worst game of the year. I picked
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: the Thursday night game last week. I took Denver, who
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: won as ugly a game as you can possibly win.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: They were a three-point underdog against Seattle, and they won
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: by three. And Jason, who refuses to lose in this contest,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: is now six and one. And I forgot who you picked. Jason,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: who did you take last week? Oh, you took the Bears.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: That's right. And I knew that that was a good pick,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: and they won easily. All right, so that's where we
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: stand in terms of a record. Let's get going now
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: with looking at games. For this week, and Jason, who's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: a stunning 6-1, gets to go first. Which game or
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: games do you want to hear the points spread on?
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  Speaker 5: Bengals and the Ravens.
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  Speaker 2: Bengals and Ravens. A game I do not have an
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: opinion on.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Bengals and the Ravens. That game is in Baltimore, but
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: the Bengals on the road are favored by one and
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: a half. Cincinnati by one and a half on the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: road is favored.
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  Speaker 5: All right, that is a little bit of an old
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: line because they changed that with Lamar Jackson coming back,
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  Speaker 5: so I'm going to pass on that.
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  Speaker 2: One, Mark. Okay, that is, I downloaded this around 5
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  Speaker 2: o'clock this morning, so that might have changed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, now the Bengals are actually getting a point and
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: a half in that game for whatever reason, but that's okay.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: We can go to the Bears tonight against the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that game. The Thursday night game, the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Bears are at home. And the line we have here
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: has Chicago favored by three. I've seen some two-and-a-halves. Favored
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: by three against New England.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to take the Bears.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: He's going to take the Bears. I almost took that
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: game as well. I think the Bears are going to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: win tonight, too, and I have a lot of reasons.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Why do you like the Bears? They're at home.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams is healthy. I just think they're the better team.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: The Bears are a different team when Caleb Williams plays.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: A lot different. A lot different. Maybe 25 points different.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think it's a good spot for them,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: and I think New England's a little overrated, so we're
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: going to take the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: New England's coming off a really rough divisional game in
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: which they won by only seven against the Jets. They're
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: on a short week coming over to play the Bears, who,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: as Jason said, they're just better when Caleb Williams is playing.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: They look good last week that they lost to the Packers,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: which just seems to be aberrational. I think the Bears
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: win rather easily. What do you think, Mike?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the Bears in this game as well tonight.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: Part of it, too, that wasn't touched on is New
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: England's got massive offensive line injuries.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: They've got a potential three out. They've got two offensive.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Linemen starters out tonight and potentially three, and their backups
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: aren't even anywhere near as good. So I think it's
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: a good spot for Chicago tonight on a short week
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: and at home.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: I like Chicago as well.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Okay. Which game would you like to hear the line on?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: All right, I've got to change this here. I'm falling
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: too far behind. Worst pick I've ever had, the Rams
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: laying almost 14, lose outright. I can't believe that happened,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: to be honest with you.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Well, nobody can believe it. I mean, there's got to
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: be internal problems or something in that team, and I
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: don't know what it is. I mean, their stats still
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: look good, but they're getting worse. They're regressing, and one
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: of these weeks they're going to win a game, but
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to try to figure out when that's going
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: to be, though.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not mean either.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: Their metrics are really good. I mean, their metrics are
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: not of a 2-5 team, more of a 5-2 team.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: But there's something else going on there, like you said.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: So I'm going to go to college this week.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to ask for three lines because I need
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: to pick the best one here. So I'm going to
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: go with the Baylor-Kansas game, which is number 365-366.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: Baylor and Kansas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting there. Here it is. The line we have
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: in that game is three. Baylor on the road favored
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: by three over Kansas.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Let's look at Nevada, San Jose State.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: That's 385, 386.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Two lousy teams. Nevada and San Jose State. That game's
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: at Nevada. They're favored by six.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: And last one.
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  Speaker 3: The big game out there, New Mexico and North Dakota State, 4-13, 4-14.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: I have an opinion on that game. New Mexico and...
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Is it possible I lost the last page here? I did. Mike,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: what did you see that line at? It was either
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: 4 or 4.5.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can look it up right now. Hold on.
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  Speaker 3: Consensus looks like four and a half.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Four and a half, yeah. And that's New Mexico favored
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: by four and a half at home against North Dakota State, correct?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: Yep, yep, correct.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in that game, New Mexico is a four and
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: a half point favorite over North Dakota State. North Dakota
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: State is the school that kept winning all the FCS championships.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: They've now moved up to the full divisional series, and
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: this is a conference game for them in the Mountain West.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with New Mexico.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that pick too. New Mexico, they're going
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: to win that conference. They've got a really good coach.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: North Dakota State has a very good defense, not much
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: of an offense. And New Mexico has an okay offense
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: and a great defense. I agree with you on this pick.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to get a win. Why do
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: you like it?
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, let's just look at the interesting
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: part of this game. So the North Dakota had State
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: head coach, his last name is Palasek. He's from Iola, Wisconsin.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: He started at UW-Stevens Point as a quarterback coach, and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: now he's the head coach there. Jason Eck, the New
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Mexico coach, is from La Crosse. He started as a
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: grad assistant at Wisconsin under Alvarez, and now he's out there.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: He's at New Mexico. There's two Wisconsin-born.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: Guys that are head coaches and both doing very well
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: out there, which is pretty cool.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 6: I like two really good defenses.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, two top 10 top 15 type defenses, but
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: I think New Mexico's got the edge at home. There
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: are three home games this year.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: They've blown teams out of the water, and I think
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: they have a chance to win this by double digits.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: They're the better offense. The thing that.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: Worries me about North Dakota State, it looks like their
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: offense is regressing a little bit after they got off
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: to a hot start.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: The last two games, they.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Averaged 4.9 yards for playing both of those games against
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: UNLV and Nevada, who ranked 99th and 52nd in total defense.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: Now they're playing the 11th best defense in the country.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to struggle to score.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: I like the fact that.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: New Mexico, I didn't like New Mexico was at Hawaii
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: last week. It's the first game they didn't cover. I
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: think they were looking ahead a little bit to this game.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: I don't like that travel situation, but they had the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: week prior off. So I think they'll be rested, and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: I think they're just the better team.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: North Dakota state on the road has lost at UNLV.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: Who's not that great this year.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: And New Mexico's only loss was by eight points at
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma this year. I think New Mexico is a better
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: team and they win by seven.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: Or more in that game.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: All right. I'm going to stay in the NFL, figuring
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: out what teams are going to do off the buy.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: It's hard. Sometimes teams come off the bye energized and
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: coaches have tremendous records. In other cases, you get a
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: situation like Wisconsin last week. They came off the bye
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: and I thought they looked very flat and had lost
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: momentum from what they'd been doing the two prior weeks.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: And I've looked at two different games, both involving teams
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: off the bye. The Dolphins, who are terrible, as I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: keep pointing out, are off the bye and they're playing
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: the Jets. I thought about taking the Jets in that game,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if Miami will pull it together
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: and have a good game off the bye. And the
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: other one is the game we talked about earlier, the
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Packers and the Lions. The Lions favored by three off
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: the bye. I do think when a coach has been
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: around for a long time, you can learn something by
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: seeing what his record is off the bye. And Dan
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Campbell's record off the bye is very, very good, particularly offensively.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: Green Bay's defense has been very good, but boy, at
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: some point, the injuries are going to take a toll there.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: I think Detroit's going to put up enough points on
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Green Bay. And I'm going to say that the Lions
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: are going to cover the three against the Packers. My
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: backup was to do the thing that I do almost
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: every week, which is to go against the Dolphins and
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: take the Jets. But I'm a little bit afraid of
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: the Jets had a rough game last week and Miami's
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: off the by. So I'm going to say Detroit covers
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: a three point spread against the Packers. I mean, there
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: are so many teams that have been up and down
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: this season. The Packers have had a couple of terrible games.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: They're coming off of two really good ones. And this
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: might be the game That's the clunker for them. They
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: actually have a very good record historically in Detroit, but
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: that's because for about 40 years the Lions stunk. I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: still think it is, though, a pretty tough place to
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: go in and play. So I'm going to take the Lions.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: So recapping everybody's pick here, Jason is taking the Bears
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: to cover the three-point spread tonight against New England. I'm
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: taking the Lions to cover the three-point spread against the Packers.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: And Mike also takes a favorite. He says New Mexico
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: will win by five or more. over New Mexico State.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: That's it for our program on Monday. We'll obviously be
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: talking about whatever it is that happened this weekend of
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: the World Series, and we're getting a lot closer to
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: the election as well. Talk to you soon.
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