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The Secret Psychic Program Nobody Was Supposed to Know About · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: Segment three this evening is titled The Children and the CIA.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the gate program, where I was pulled out
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  Speaker 1: of the room by a guy in a suit.
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  Speaker 3: I went in and did, like, the different, like, tones
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  Speaker 3: in the left ear, tones in the right ear, different,
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  Speaker 3: you know, raising your hand.
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  Speaker 2: In these weird things they had kids do is the
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  Speaker 2: strange liquid.
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  Speaker 4: That weird pink drink, that pink drink, that pink drink.
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  Speaker 5: They were always shoving down.
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  Speaker 2: So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have
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  Speaker 2: to go back to 1958.
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  Speaker 5: It's a Sputnik.
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  Speaker 3: 1958 marked the first time government became involved with public school.
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  Speaker 3: With this new policy came identifying gifted and talented children.
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  Speaker 2: Who's gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving
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  Speaker 2: them different education. What that different education is, It cuts
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  Speaker 2: back to the Monroe Institute.
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  Speaker 5: You should be hearing my voice in your right ear.
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  Speaker 3: Until I heard those gateway tapes and I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 3: this is very, very similar.
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  Speaker 2: These gate programs are grooming people to take roles in society. Entertainers,
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  Speaker 2: corporate owners, politicians.
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  Speaker 1: We discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed a gifted
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  Speaker 1: child who went to a literal children's school for the gifted.
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  Speaker 5: But they're looking at you long before that. They are
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  Speaker 5: looking at you from childhood.
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  Speaker 3: The feds have a record file on every single child
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  Speaker 3: from preschool to your career.
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  Speaker 1: Relaxation program by Thomas H.
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  Speaker 2: Budinsky, PhD.
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  Speaker 3: Here they are.
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  Speaker 1: Could they and would they have just advanced to making psychics?
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  Speaker 3: By testing for ESP abilities.
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  Speaker 5: You could go to scary places with that.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know anybody else that has these tapes? I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anybody else in the program.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they have a front for a front for
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  Speaker 5: a front.
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  Speaker 4: So what are they covering up?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: You're not crazy. The government really was doing psychic testing
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  Speaker 3: on children, and I'm going to prove it.
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  Speaker 4: You're finally starting to remember.
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  Speaker 5: You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing
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  Speaker 5: my voice. You should be hearing my voice, and you're
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  Speaker 5: right here.
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  Speaker 4: The Gate Program.
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  Speaker 3: Trey Hudson, welcome back to the show. It's good to
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  Speaker 3: see you again, my friend.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, happy to be here, man. Always a pleasure, always
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  Speaker 5: an honor, and always a unique and distinct privilege and
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  Speaker 5: delight to speak to you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we've had some really crazy conversations over the years
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  Speaker 3: since I've known you. We've done a lot of them
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  Speaker 3: and I always appreciate you coming on and speaking with
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  Speaker 3: me and speaking with my audience. And you were instrumental
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  Speaker 3: in helping me research for the documentary Psychic Agent, The
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  Speaker 3: Gate Program. I got your name in the credits of
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  Speaker 3: the documentary as research and development. So thank Thank you
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  Speaker 3: very much for doing that. That really helped me out
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  Speaker 3: a lot because I was really busy. When you're a
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  Speaker 3: one-man show, Trey, and I know you know this, when
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  Speaker 3: you're a one man show, it gets overwhelming really fast.
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  Speaker 3: So it was really nice to have somebody on my team,
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh, helping me, uh, look for documents and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I appreciate it because every time I was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I need this document. Can you find it? And then
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  Speaker 3: you would immediately find it. So I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, it was, uh, it was quite the, uh,
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  Speaker 5: quite the adventure because it'd be like, Oh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: tell me what you can find about project, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, one 42 or whatever. And I'd go down
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  Speaker 5: this rabbit hole and, you know, I'd run it till,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I just basically could not, you know, run
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  Speaker 5: anything else up. And so, you know, I learned a
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  Speaker 5: lot and, but I was happy to help you. And
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  Speaker 5: it was, like I said, a honor and a privilege.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of the problems that we were
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  Speaker 3: having was finding actual documentation of experimentation on children. And
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  Speaker 3: we knew about the MKUltra programs, but- we were like,
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  Speaker 3: how can we find real documentation of psychic experiments in
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  Speaker 3: public school with children? And it wasn't until we ran
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  Speaker 3: across a document called Human Paranormal Capabilities that basically verify
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  Speaker 3: that that's indeed what was happening and what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: Was that a shock to you? I mean, this is
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  Speaker 3: something that has been talked about for a while now
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  Speaker 3: and it's come to the forefront of a lot of people's, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, talking about it in the last two to
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  Speaker 3: three years. And there's been a lot of speculation that
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  Speaker 3: this is what they were doing. And that was really
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  Speaker 3: my basis behind the documentary was, well, this is a
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  Speaker 3: documentary we have to prove and we have to show
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  Speaker 3: a real documentation that this is what's going on. Because
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  Speaker 3: if we don't, then it's just going to, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's another thing that doesn't show any type of proof
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  Speaker 3: and it just becomes hyperbole and conjecture.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What I thought was interesting is, uh, not only the
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  Speaker 5: breadth of it, you know, just how huge this program
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  Speaker 5: was involving children. And, you know, they were very, uh,
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  Speaker 5: they were very forthcoming in the documents, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: talking about, you know, using children. And, uh, you know, I,
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  Speaker 5: for some reason I thought it was, you know, kind
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  Speaker 5: of a, uh, you know, mid 20th century thing, but
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  Speaker 5: you go back and look at the documents and it
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  Speaker 5: goes all the way back into the, you know, some
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  Speaker 5: of the Indian schools, you know, first nation schools in Canada,
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  Speaker 5: experiments being, you know, done with those kids and testing
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  Speaker 5: being done with those kids and then bring it all
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  Speaker 5: the way forward. And kind of one of the epiphany
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  Speaker 5: for me is I thought this was kind of a
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  Speaker 5: secret is when I ran across, I think it was
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  Speaker 5: an NBC black and white news broadcast where basically it's like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, CIA and children. And it just, blew the
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  Speaker 5: lid off of this and why, you know, why that was, uh,
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  Speaker 5: was kind of an epiphany to me. You would think
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  Speaker 5: that that would be, you know, really, really steeped in
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  Speaker 5: our culture, but it's just kind of like got tamped
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  Speaker 5: down and buried. And then people like you, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and then of course, you know, Katie page coming forward
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  Speaker 5: with some of her experiences, uh, you know, what she
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  Speaker 5: really goes into in the film, uh, you know, just
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  Speaker 5: really kind of brings us all back up to the, uh,
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  Speaker 5: the surface. And we're all not a bunch of conspiracy nuts.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this stuff was actually happening, uh, You know,
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  Speaker 5: this stuff was actually pulled from the CIA archives, pulled from,
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  Speaker 5: you know, scholarly journals. And it's no longer conjecture. It's fact,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and it's out there for everybody to see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that was the most shocking part
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  Speaker 3: of it to me was some of those MKUltra programs,
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  Speaker 3: the subproject. I believe it was Subproject 83 and Subproject
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  Speaker 3: 136 is literally... talks about psychic testing on children. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we showed you in the movie. It says psychic testing
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  Speaker 3: on children, you know, and, uh, also MK ultra sub
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  Speaker 3: project one Oh two is a summer camp, which talks
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  Speaker 3: about in that ABC, um, that clip, which I only
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  Speaker 3: put a little bit of the clip inside of the movie,
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  Speaker 3: but that clip is around eight to 10 minutes. I
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  Speaker 3: believe it's way longer than. Uh, what's in the movie, but, um, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was, uh, we're a hundred, no 462 children. where
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  Speaker 3: I experimented on in summer camp at the MKUltra Subproject 102.
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  Speaker 5: Something I thought was kind of interesting is you kind
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  Speaker 5: of saw the veneer being pulled away on how this
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  Speaker 5: stuff was done, how the CIA would set up a
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  Speaker 5: front research not-for-profits, and then they would issue grants to
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  Speaker 5: competing academics, psychiatrists, psychologists, And give them grants. And a
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  Speaker 5: lot of these professors and researchers didn't really know they
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  Speaker 5: were working for the CIA. And then when that became known,
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  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, you know, I do a Pontius Pilate.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to have anything to do
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  Speaker 5: with the CIA. But hey, bud, you know, you've been
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  Speaker 5: taking the CIA's money for the past 10 years. You
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  Speaker 5: never thought to see what you know who was actually
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  Speaker 5: pulling the levers behind the curtains.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's kind of like what Walter Bosley talks
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  Speaker 3: about within the documentary too. And I think that that
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  Speaker 3: coincides as well because I don't think that he'd ever
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  Speaker 3: saw that news broadcast that ABC, MKUltra on children broadcast
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  Speaker 3: that came out. And he was talking about that as well.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, the FBI can literally have a front organization,
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  Speaker 3: a front company that's been running an operation for many,
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  Speaker 3: many years. I mean, you know this, you were a
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  Speaker 3: part of the military and some, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that you work for any three-led organizations, but
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  Speaker 3: for military, I think DIA or DOD.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're a DOD.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can have a, An organization, a company
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  Speaker 3: set up that's a front company in order to run
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  Speaker 3: an operation out of for a really long time. And
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  Speaker 3: it looks like it's a real company that does anything.
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  Speaker 3: And Walter talks about how it could be like a
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  Speaker 3: donut shop or whatever, but it can be a mall key.
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  Speaker 3: It can be, uh, you know, a car wash, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it could be whatever they want it to be as
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  Speaker 3: a front organization. That is really a longstanding FBI operation
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  Speaker 3: or a CIA in the CIA can also do the
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  Speaker 3: exact same thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And a lot of times, uh, you know, sometimes the
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  Speaker 5: employees for these front corporations don't even really know they're
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  Speaker 5: working for ultimately the, you know, one DIA, CIA, you know, whomever. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's just, I'll just leave it at that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they can set up front corporations for all kinds of reasons. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the true owner of those corporations, you know,
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  Speaker 5: are buried so many levels back that even the people
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  Speaker 5: working there for years, they really don't know what they're
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  Speaker 5: doing or whom they're working for.
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of what we see happen with the
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  Speaker 3: remote viewing unit at DIA and all that. So hard
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  Speaker 3: to find out the funding of that, who all was
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  Speaker 3: funding SRI, you know, because the money is funneled through
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  Speaker 3: certain individuals. Like CIA will give an individual money to
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  Speaker 3: then go and fund a thing that they want funded.
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  Speaker 3: So it doesn't, So you're not going to get a
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  Speaker 3: check directly from the CIA. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be through an individual, through another company,
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  Speaker 3: that's through another company. That's going to be backdoor channeling
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  Speaker 3: in the money and the funds.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of a true story is I went to university
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  Speaker 5: on an ROTC scholarship. So the Army paid for my
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  Speaker 5: college and all of that. And in ROTC, your fourth
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  Speaker 5: year ROTC students, which are called MSU, Military Science 4,
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  Speaker 5: MS4 students, they're branched. You know, the Army's already determined
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  Speaker 5: what branch in the Army, you know, infantry, armor, whatever
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  Speaker 5: they're going to go to. And the university I went to,
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  Speaker 5: the University of West Georgia, which houses the Bill Rohl collection,
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  Speaker 5: the Ingo Swann collection, you know, so they were into
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  Speaker 5: a lot of that more esoteric studies. And I remember,
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  Speaker 5: you know, showing up for a class. I have my
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  Speaker 5: degrees in psychology there. And, you know, one of the
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  Speaker 5: professors said, you know, Trey, what did you get branched?
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  Speaker 5: I said, military intelligence. And he looked at me and
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  Speaker 5: he smiled and he goes, yeah, you're going to be
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  Speaker 5: working for SRI. And I never did. I never did
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  Speaker 5: go to SRI, but I'm like, who is SRI? I've
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  Speaker 5: never heard of that before. And it turns out they
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  Speaker 5: were like knee deep, you know, in remote viewing and other,
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  Speaker 5: you know, other things, you know, at that time back
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  Speaker 5: in the mid, mid to late 80s.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. You're, he literally said that to you, that you'd
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  Speaker 3: be working for SRI?
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  Speaker 5: SRI, or he said, either you're going to work or
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  Speaker 5: you're going to go to SRI because of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: just the kind of, uh, you know, studies that we
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  Speaker 5: did in that, in, in that particular, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in that particular program. And it was funny because I
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  Speaker 5: just remembered SRI and it stuck with me. And it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't until years later when I started doing my own
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  Speaker 5: remote viewing training and, uh, started getting some of the
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  Speaker 5: documents that you and I have talked about and shared.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, SRI, that, that, that, that's what they
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  Speaker 5: were talking about. And, uh, So, you know, it all
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  Speaker 5: came full circle. So I haven't pulled back the, haven't
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  Speaker 5: peeled the orange yet to see, you know, what kind
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  Speaker 5: of juicy center, you know, my university was involved in
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  Speaker 5: with all that stuff. But hopefully one day I can
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  Speaker 5: drive over there. I know the curator of those, you know,
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  Speaker 5: those collections and really start digging in there and to
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  Speaker 5: see what kind of spooky things they were up to
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  Speaker 5: back in the 80s.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, if you find out anything about that, definitely let
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  Speaker 3: me know. What was your first impressions of the movie?
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  Speaker 3: You watched it. I sent you a screener of it
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  Speaker 3: before it even hit Amazon Prime. What were your first
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  Speaker 3: thoughts and impressions on it?
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was very well done. I thought the
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  Speaker 5: three things that struck me as particularly valid. One was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you just didn't walk the walk our talk
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  Speaker 5: to talk, you walk the walk, you show the documents.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the document. And obviously some of the documents you showed,
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  Speaker 5: I recognized immediately because they were some of the ones that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you and I discussed, you know, during the
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  Speaker 5: making of the film. So you actually showed the CIA
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  Speaker 5: or other agencies own documents. I think that lends a very,
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  Speaker 5: very strong foundation of credibility to the entire film. Then
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  Speaker 5: the other thing is the interpersonal, you know, the experiential
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  Speaker 5: thing is when you interviewed, uh, you know, Katie and Walter,
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  Speaker 5: you know, these are actual real people that experience, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the gate program. And then watching, uh, you know, when
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  Speaker 5: you went over there to, uh, Florissant and filmed with
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  Speaker 5: Katie and watching her real human reactions, when she would
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  Speaker 5: put on the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, uh,
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  Speaker 5: the cassette tapes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's why I like, yeah, right. And then the, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the lights would go on in her eyes and it's like,
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  Speaker 5: oh my goodness, this is the exact same thing as
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  Speaker 5: Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute. Yeah. The exact same thing.
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  Speaker 5: And we all know about Robert Monroe. I actually knew
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  Speaker 5: people that worked, uh, you know, with the U S
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  Speaker 5: army intelligence and special operations that were paid to go
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  Speaker 5: to the Monroe Institute by the army. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I know all how that links up and then Walter
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  Speaker 5: comes in and he, basically backfills that whole story with
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  Speaker 5: his own personal experience. So the solidity, the solidness of
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  Speaker 5: the entire film is remarkable. And it's a piece of
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  Speaker 5: Cold War history that very few people know about. So
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  Speaker 5: now it's out there for people to ponder from whatever
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  Speaker 5: angle they want to look at. I'm kind of a
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  Speaker 5: Cold War guy, so I like the Cold War history
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  Speaker 5: of it. You know, in the psychic spies and all
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  Speaker 5: of that good stuff and other people can look at
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  Speaker 5: it for more than metaphysical. And then, of course, people
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  Speaker 5: that are interested in all some of the nefarious, you know,
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  Speaker 5: kind of hinky things the CIA and other agencies are
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  Speaker 5: up to. They get something out of it. So it's actually,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's a big pie with a piece for everybody.
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  Speaker 5: All you have to do is grab a fork and
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  Speaker 5: dig in.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, that's high praise. That's a really high praise train.
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  Speaker 3: I really appreciate that. And I, it was really important
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  Speaker 3: for me to give, you know, a history of, you know, the,
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  Speaker 3: the research and where it all really started, uh, because
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  Speaker 3: there's never really been a documentary that's done that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, even the people that were, you know, cause
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  Speaker 3: I had Lynn Buchanan, I had Dale graph and I
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  Speaker 3: had Angela there and you helped me find some of those, uh,
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  Speaker 3: those documents from Angela Ford when she.
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  Speaker 5: Was looking for transport. That was really cool because, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was able to, you know, but basically find out
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  Speaker 5: what her remote viewer number was and then crosswalk that
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  Speaker 5: with the, you know, her findings and products. And she
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  Speaker 5: was spot on, you know, in a corroborated with exactly
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  Speaker 5: what she recalled from being in the program. So that was,
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  Speaker 5: that was exciting that, you know, for a researcher, that's like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's like a gold mine, you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: hitting pay dirt. So that was really exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and, you know, there's been this, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: some of the people within the remote viewing Stargate unit,
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  Speaker 3: they don't get along with each other. You know, they
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  Speaker 3: have bad blood between each other, and it's actually very
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  Speaker 3: difficult to, you know, get a detailed, accurate history of
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  Speaker 3: the program because everybody has, everyone throws in their two cents,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody's two cents is different. Like, it's very difficult
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  Speaker 3: for any of them to agree upon anything certain things
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  Speaker 3: and when they happened and when the name changes happened
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  Speaker 3: and all that. But I was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to get any history from you guys. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: take care of the history. I'm going to do the history.
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  Speaker 3: And I did the history according to the declassified CIA documents.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that was the best way to do
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  Speaker 3: it because, you know, I mean, people could argue with
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: it and say that it's inaccurate, but the, they can't
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: really because it's directly according to the Stargate, uh, documents
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: in the sun streak document. You actually sent, had sent
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: me all of those documents a really long time ago,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: around three, well, probably almost four years ago. I was
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: coming up on four years ago. You sent them to
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: me on a, on a CD disc and I had
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: to get a, I had to get an old computer tray.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I had to find an old ass computer to put
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the CD into the upload and onto a hard drive.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but when you looked at the volume of documents,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: you got an idea of why I sent it on
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: a CD and I couldn't email it. It was a
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: lot of documentation.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Really a lot of them. And I, you know, really
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: appreciate that because that was really the basis of, so you,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: you actually contributed more than you thought that you even
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: contributed because a lot of, I mean, pretty much all
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the documents really came from you and it was just
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: me having to go through them, which did take a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: lot of time and a lot of energy, a lot
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: of effort to go through all those to find exactly
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: what I needed and how I was seeing it. And,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: when it needed to be showed. So, uh, yeah, um, we,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: we did a lot, we did a lot in there.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, and I want to thank you for, uh,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: you know, being brave enough to actually touch this third
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: rail because, uh, you know, when you talk about experiments and,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: you know, governmental actions being done with kids, that's a
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: touchy subject. I mean, you know, we can, you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: we can do the whole, you know, go down the
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: whole Epstein rabbit hole with, you know, government officials and
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: all of that stuff. But, you know, when you start
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: talking about the government doing things to kids and clouding,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: you know, what they're actually doing from the parents, you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: that gets a little, you know, people get really nervous
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: about that. And it takes some guts as a filmmaker
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: to personally put yourself out there and say, look, this
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: is not my story. This story belongs to others. And
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: we have a moral obligation to let their stories be
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: told as potentially unpleasant as it may be. And I
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: thank you for being brave enough to do that. A
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: lot of people would shy away from that. because of
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: the implications of what that might involve. So bravo for
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: you for having the guts to do it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. And yes,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: it was a task. It was very difficult. And I
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: still think That a lot of people are shying away
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: from it and are, you know, trying to say that,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: you know, did it happen? Yes, it 100% happened. We
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: showed the proof for it. Were they doing psyche testing?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: But yes, yes, they were. And were they doing also recruitment?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Because that's what I 100% that's one of the first
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: things that. I actually mentioned to you, and if someone
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: would go back and watch one of the shows, I
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: think that it was me, you and Katie page. We
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: did a show a couple of years ago and this
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: is how long I've been working on this and trying
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: to put all this stuff together. And we were talking
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: about that and I had brought that up, like, you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: this public school thing, because you were also in the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: gate program.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and it's kind of weird. We talked
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: about it on that show is how many people that
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: were involved in the GATE program or gifted or whatever,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: you know, euphemism they used in your school district, you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: ended up in, you know, government type stuff, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: you know, government or intelligence type, you know, activities. It's,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: you know, it's really kind of weird. And then, you know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Katie talks about, you know, her experiences and then, what's
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: really interesting is then you start talking about the Clearview
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Ranch stuff and that gets really, really insane, you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: going down that rabbit hole. So there seems to be this,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you know, even back in the day, you know, this
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: strange kind of recruitment governmental, you know, you know, which
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: is brew of, you know, trying to maybe steer people
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: into certain career paths or, you know, make people think
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: their own thoughts and their own desires for their future
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: are their own, and perhaps maybe they're not. Maybe they're
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: being manipulated by others.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I 100% agree with that. And it was, I couldn't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: get into the Clearview Ranch too much in the, well,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't really get into it at all with Katie
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: because there just wasn't enough time. The documentary was already
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: pushing up on it two hours, you know, and I
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: couldn't really connect it because I was afraid that it
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: was going to take away too much from it. the
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: other things that were, uh, you know, trying to be
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: explained in the foundation for being laid out. But if,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could have been a three hour long movie.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I'm done. I'm done
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: with this research. I'm done. And then I was like, no,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I can't. And I would look at it and do
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: it some more. And I'd have you look up some
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: more stuff. And then there was a point that I
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: would just like message you. And I was like, I'm done.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: We're done. We're done further because this thing is never
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: going to get done. If, if we keep, you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: going down the research rabbit hole, you know?
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I appreciate you saying that because people that aren't involved,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: of course, I'm not a filmmaker, I'm a writer, but
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: you know, there's a part where you actually start to
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: really dislike your creation, you know, and you really start
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: to hate it, you know? And I know when I'm writing,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I get to a point where I'm like, I hate
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: this book. I just want it done. I want it over.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: you know, I want to send it to the publisher
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: and get it out of my air. So, uh, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: I can certainly appreciate the, uh, you know, that the
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: point you get to, uh, in the creative process with that,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: that this was, uh, this, this was a lot of information.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: This was a lot of data to, uh, to slog
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: through and, uh, putting it together in a coherent, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: a product like you did, you know, especially with everything
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: tied together, uh, factually is, uh, you know, was, uh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: was quite the chore. And, and like I said, you did,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: did a great job with it. I, uh, I thoroughly
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: enjoyed the film, and I'm not saying that because I
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: had something to do with it. My wife and I
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: watched it, and we thought it was quite informative.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Now, when it comes to the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: intelligence gathering of this, because I 100% believe that children
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: have been since, verifiably since the 60s with MGM, Mentally
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Gifted Minors, out of California. And what year were you,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: you said you were in Florida when you were in
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: the gate program?
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. That was, uh, that would have been in the,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: when I was five, that would have been in the
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: late sixties, like right. 68, 69, right around at that time.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: So that would have been at Metcalf elementary school, uh,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: in Alachua County, Florida, uh, which, if anybody knows, the
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: big town in Alachua County, Florida, is Gainesville, which is
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: home of one of the nation's premier research universities, the
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: University of Florida.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And how close, if you could remember, how close is
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that to a military facility or an Air Force base?
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Let's see. Gainesville, you have Homestead to the southeast, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: then if you go to the southwest, you have... Uh,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: MacDill Air Force Base, you know, of course, which is, uh,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: you know, CENTCOM is down at MacDill. Uh, then you
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: go north, uh, you hit Warner Robins in Georgia. Uh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: so yeah, there's, it's kind of like surrounded by, you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: various military bases, uh, right there, especially with Homestead to
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: the southeast and, uh, MacDill to the southwest.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Now, you remember getting a certain drink, right? It wasn't
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: a pink drink, but it was some kind of other drink?
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: I remember drinking something. Now, memory is a strange thing.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: They were doing a lot of immunizations for smallpox and
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of the other diseases that we've eradicated since then,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: so the kids don't really get these days. So, you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: we had a smallpox, a polio. We were just coming
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: off of, you know, the polio thing in the 40s
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: and the 50s. You know, in the 60s, kids were
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: starting to get inoculated. So, you know, I could be
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: getting those remembered. But I do remember something about, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: we talked about this earlier, something about colored beads or
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: strings or like a wire thing that you like run
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: these beads around, you know, or linking things. You know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: it's just kind of very odd. And I remember my
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: mother being very proud because, you know, in elementary school,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I was given an IQ test and it, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: apparently was high enough to get me into the gate
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: program or the gifted program. So I remember my mom,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: you know, being very proud about that and telling all
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: of her friends over, you know, coffee, you know, drinking
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: coffee and smoking a big viceroy cigarettes back then and,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: you know, and all of that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: So.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was an interesting time, certainly to be a
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: kid in a public school.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is that many people were told
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: different things as to the reason why they needed to
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: take the substance. And people don't believe me whenever I
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: tell them that they do have liquid vaccinations. Liquid vaccinations
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: are very real. The military even, and you probably know this,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: but the military actually has air vaccinations.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Oh, gosh.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Pneumatic, pneumatic back. Oh, those are very real.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: I can personally attest to that. Yeah. Running, running down
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: through a line with a bunch of other guys with
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: technicians on each side, shooting vaccines into your arms. You know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: you can't raise your arms for about a week after that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: So.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't believe me when I tell them that,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: but I should pull up the documentation. But yeah, they
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: have air vaccinations. They have liquid vaccinations. So like all
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: this stuff is very real. And that's some of the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: things that I was, you know, kind of looking at
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: and putting two and two together on is like, because
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you have you and Cameron in Canada, Ravenscrag, they were
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: doing these MKUltra experiments.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Right, right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: What was going on in the gifted and talented education
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and what people remember happening to them, you know, is
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: the strange substance of, going in and putting the headphones
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: on the weird, strange hearing test, uh, you know, and then, uh, uh,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: playing with blocks, putting 3d goggles on 3d glasses and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: all that. It seems very similar to what was happening
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: at Ravenscrag in Canada with Dr. Hugh and Cameron and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: his MK ultra sub project. It's very, very similar just
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in the description and the things that he was doing,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: which was giving them a substance, traumatizing them taking them
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: into a and doing psychic driving which involves a looped
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: repeated audio message with headphones yep okay so when you
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: combine these two things together they seem almost identical so
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: then it's like okay well what is really going on
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: here when we have these two separate types of programs
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: going on, but they're very similar in nature and the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: things that were being, that was happening.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: You know, and you were talking about psychic driving and
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: something that just kind of popped into my mind is, uh,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: if you go and you research into the CIA's, uh,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: enhanced interrogation, uh, program, which, you know, goes way, way,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: way back. And, you know, some of the psychic driving, uh,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: that they were doing to try to break down, uh,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: you know, potential, uh, enemy agents, uh, when interrogating was
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: psychic driving and sensory deprivation. And that's where the sensory
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: deprivation tanks came from, which evolved into the Samadhi tanks,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: which are actually used for relaxation and not torture. You know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: it's actually was 180 degrees from what the CIA envisioned,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: you envision these tanks for. And then you, you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: you get into some of Lily's research with LSD and,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: you know, some of the other, the other stuff, it
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: gets really interesting indeed. And, you know, you have to,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: you have to think that you have these different sub-programs.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: You had MKUltra and then you have the sub-programs, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: like we learned about. And there has to be cross-pollinization
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: among sub-programs. You know, so the interrogation guys were, you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: maybe hearing from the, you know, the gate project guys
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: and the gate project guys were maybe talking to maybe
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: some of the remote viewing guys. And, you know, maybe
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: some of there was a lot of cross-pollinization in some
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: of their research.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, there has to be. It's the only thing
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: that makes sense as to why that they're so similar.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: And then when I showed at the end of the movie,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the photographs from Indian Lake, New York, it's like, you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: how could that have been faked?
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: When people just now have been talking about it, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: this was a post from the early 2000s.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Right, right.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: It's like, I don't want to ruin, I don't want
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to spoil the.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, but it's like, you know, when
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: you put all these things together, it's really hard to
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: come to some other different conclusion, you know? People have
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: tried to say that, you know, this was just a...
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: president's physical fitness test or it's the health department or whatever.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, this is something different. You know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: that's been the only kind of counter that I've seen
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: so far to the movie is that, you know, it's the, the,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: this was a standard thing that everybody went through and
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: people are misremembering. Then I'm like, well, how do you
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: discount the documents and all that? I want to get
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: your thoughts for sure. Go ahead.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, you're absolutely right. It's how
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: do you discount the documents? These things, no kidding, were
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: going on. And, you know, anybody, if they watch the
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: film and they have any questions about the veracity of
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: the documents, you know, take notes, you know, pit pause,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: take notes on some of the verbiage and go back
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: into the CIA's own archives and you can find these
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: documents yourselves. You know, none of the stuff that, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: we uncovered was classified or restricted. It's all out there
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: for public knowledge. it's just really buried deep and sometimes
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: kind of hard to get to. Uh, you know, and
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: if you, you know, if you start using certain keywords
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: or code words, you can, you know, you can kind
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: of coax the system out into producing more stuff. Uh,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: and I had a really cool thought. I just completely
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: escaped me. Uh, but you were talking about, uh, Oh,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: I know what it was. Uh, you know, people were misremembering, uh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: you know, potential, uh, you know, things, something I didn't,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: did not see any tie into, but something I always
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: wondered about, and I don't know if it was a
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: thing when you were a kid, were the scoliosis exams.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Do you remember those? I mean, that was a huge thing,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: you know, where, you know, boys had to wear shorts,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: girls had to wear shorts and halter tops, and some
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: sort of governmental health official showed up at your school
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: and would sit in a chair and you would bend
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: over and they would run their fingers down your spine. Now,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: why does the government have such a strange, perverse interest
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: in the curvature of children's spines?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: And where did those records go? You know, somewhere there's
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: a record of Trey Hudson's spine in the government archives somewhere.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Why was that a big deal? And I always wondered,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: does that tie into some of this stuff? Because I
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: remember it was a big bureaucratic program. Data was collected.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Government officials were on site. A story was given to
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the parents on why this was being done for their
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: children's own good. This is for your children's own good, parents.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Don't ask too many questions. Just send them to school
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: in shorts and a halter top. And what was the
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: real story behind that?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: That's a really weird one. That's a really weird one.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it. The scoliosis wasn't a
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: thing whenever I was in the, in school, but I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: went to private school. So I kind of skipped over
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of that, but I remember a, like the
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: health department coming and doing some hand washing stuff and
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: some teeth brushing stuff. And I do remember the president's
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: physical fitness test, but again, These are different things. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: they can use that to disguise the real thing as well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Because if you just have a bunch of people involved
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: in a strange test every quarterly or half a year
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: or a yearly test, then people can misremember the opposite
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: way too and think that then they can hide the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: more nefarious stuff underneath the blanket of the one that
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: everybody is involved with.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: I'll give you an example. I think you and I
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: talked about this on the side. I started hearing people
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: online talking about I remember having to like keep my teeth,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: you know, my baby teeth in like a jar and
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: then take them to school and the school would collect
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: them and give them to government agents. And I'm like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: that's poppycock. That doesn't even make sense. So I started
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: researching that and it turns out that the government was
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: actually had a program where you would bring your baby
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: teeth in and you would give them to your teacher.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: The teacher would catalog and collect them. And they were
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: monitoring the amount of radiation absorbed in baby teeth from
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: open air nuclear testing. And you can go and research
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: this yourself. And I'm trying to remember if it was
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Atomic Energy Commission. It was one of the agencies that
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: actually set this program up through school. And for kids,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: it was fun because they get like a little, you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: a little badge, like with a little smiley tooth on
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: it saying, you know, my teeth are being tested for
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: science or something like that. And, you know, people remembering
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: this really weird ritual of saving their teeth. But it
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: turns out there was actually fact behind it. And it
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: was a government program back in the Cold War to
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: test and monitor absorption of radioactivity in the roots of
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: children's teeth.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Do you believe that that was the real reason? Or
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: do you think that there was another reason underneath that? I.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: I, my gut tells me the reason is there was
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: some runaway, uh, open air nuclear testing, you know, when
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: they would test some of these weapons out, especially I can,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: you know, uh, Mercury, Nevada, you know, places like that,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: that some of the, the, the yields were a little
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: bit higher than they expected and they had fallout issues. Uh,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: a great, uh, example of that is, uh, the movie,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: the conqueror with John Wayne, where he played Genghis Khan, uh,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Howard Hughes was the producer, actually brought some of the
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: dirt back from where they filmed it in Nevada, which
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: was downwind from some of the open air nuclear testing.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: And it turns out that most of the cast and
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: crew of that movie died of cancer later on for
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: being exposed to that radioactive fallout.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: What are they doing with our children's teeth? That is wild. Yeah,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I remember you showing some articles about that on one
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: of the other shows. That's really wild. Yeah, a couple
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: of that with the scoliosis experiments and, I mean, the testing. Like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: anything that the government ever says is for our health
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: is never for our health.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. why they would be so concerned over,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: you know, testing children for their teeth for radiation. I mean,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: what are they actually going to do about it?
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Right, right, right. You know, and you got to remember,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: this is the same, you know, and I don't want
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: to get all anti-government. You know, I made a pretty
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: good living working for the government for quite a few years. But,
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: you know, this was the same government that purposely gave
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: African-American men syphilis in Tuskegee, Alabama. to monitor the progression
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: of that disease. And these poor men were purposely infected
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: with syphilis as it ate away their body and their minds.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: How insidious is that? So I think it's a fair question.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: What were they doing with the teeth? Why were they
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: so concerned with curvature of people's spines? What was the
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: real reason behind this?
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they did... We've been doing biological warfare
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: for freaking ages on our own population.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: There was a whole thing out in California where they
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: were dumping a bunch of stuff from planes and they
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: killed a bunch of people. I can't remember the name
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: of that, but it was somehow connected to radiation and
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: cancer-causing experiments. And there was that one... you remember that one, uh,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: clip that you sent me of a lady that was testifying.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yes.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Under MK, uh, about MK ultra and about this doctor
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: that would hit her with radiation in her, uh, in
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: her private area. And like, is the talking about this
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: when this was happening to her when she was a child.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: And she, she's testifying before the Senate, you know, and,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: I think I was able to find the Senate, uh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: proceedings of that. Yeah. And, you know, something else, you know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: you were talking about, you know, biological testing. A lot
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: of people don't realize this is, is there was a
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: thing called the great Dugway sheep kill. And I learned
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: this when I was working with chemical weapons is back in,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: I think it was the sixties or early seventies at
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Dugway proving ground. They were doing open air testing of
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: dispersal of chemical weapons, you know, actually in the air.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: And they miscalculated the wind direction, and it ended up
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: drifting into the public and killing off a sheep herd.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: And it was a famous incident that happened at the
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Dugway Proving Ground there in Utah. And so, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: what else is being tested in the air? You know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: there was a test done. I believe it was with
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: a supposedly inert biological substance that was sprayed in the
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: New York City subways. to look at how a pathogen
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: could be spread, you know, throughout a urban area that had,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: you know, rail rapid transit. And the people that took
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: part of this study never knew about it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: What's really crazy, Trey, is that how do they think
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: that they're going to get away with it? Like, that's
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the thing about poisoning all of the food and doing
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: these biological chemical testing on, open air population is, is
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: that do these people that are doing this realize that
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: their kids also have to live here?
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Also have to eat the food.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: I think it's something that we have to kind of,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: you know, step back and, you know, consider, We always
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: have to be very careful of looking at the past
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: through today's optics. There was a very interesting quote where
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: it says, the past is a foreign country. They do
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: things differently there. And we have to remember, in 1945,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: first was a uranium gun bomb. Second on Nagasaki was,
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: of course, a plutonium, the Fat Man plutonium bomb. We
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: held that secret until it was leaked by the Rosenberg
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: and Fuchs to the Soviets in 1949. Then the race
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: was on. And not long after that, the Chinese detonated
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: their first hydrogen bomb. So the existential threat to the
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: United States and the Western capitalistic culture was very, very real. Very,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: very real. And there were many people, you know, in
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: the halls of government, all the way from the POTUS down,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: that felt like a lot of times the end justified
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: the means. Now, I'm not giving people excuses. That's not
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: what I'm doing. But I'm saying that was the mindset.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: And a lot of Americans felt like, you know, it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: either us or the Soviets, and these things are justified.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: That's why the open-air nuclear testing done, you know, at
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: the tests, out in Nevada were, you know, looked at
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: reasonably favorably, if not, you know, with a certain degree of,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: you know, chagrin by the public, but nothing was really
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: said about it. That's why the open-air nuclear testing is
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: at Bikini Atoll and some other places. That's why during
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Project Starfish Prime, nuclear bombs were actually detonated in space.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: And the effects... And you supported these things because you
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: wanted to be a patriot. You know, you wanted to be,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: you know, strike a blow against the commies. And so
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I think that a lot of, a lot of people
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: kind of held their nose and went along with this
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: stuff because they felt like that was the thing to do.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Not understanding that, you know, generations, like you said, down
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: the road, the effects, you know, could be, be, you know, very,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: very serious. And I'll give you an example that, The
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: poisoning of the Columbia River from the Hanford Nuclear Facility
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: there in Washington State. Very serious. The poisoning of the
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: environment at Oak Ridge in Tennessee. Various military installations, military
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: industrial facilities that have poisoned the groundwater.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of those, Trey, all over the United States.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you some personal stories when we're
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: off air about that and how bad they really are.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: You know, Area 51, you know, the Nellis Air Force
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Base there at Groom Lake, some of the environmental concerns
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: there that actually resulted in people getting very, very sick
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: that was covered up under the veneer of secrecy and
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: national security. So, you know, I think, you know, I
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: think a lot of people kind of, you know, held
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: their nose and went along with this. all for what
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: they considered the greater good, not understanding the price that
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: their descendants would pay many years down the line.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we've been doing this since, I mean,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: one of the first ones that I can think of
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: was in the 1700s. I think it was like 1763
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: or whatever, whenever our military, the English military just contaminated
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: all of the bunch of blankets with smallpox and gave
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: it to the Native Americans?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, wiped them out. Just absolutely wiped them out. You know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: I was watching a movie today and there was something
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: very interesting that was said is, you know, whenever you
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: have a high technology culture interact with a low technology culture,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: the low technology culture usually doesn't fare very well. You know, and,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: you know, that was, you know, what happened then and
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: it was, kind of on through, you know, the U.S.,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: you know, with all of our, you know, warts and everything,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: you know, doing, you know, maybe not too pleasant, you know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: things to, you know, Native Americans, people of other races,
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: and quite frankly, our own citizens.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just unbelievable when you think about all of
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the different things that we've done, not only to other people,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: but to ourselves. And that's why I'm not really about
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: the extraterrestrial narrative, because everything that we blame on extraterrestrials
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: are the exact same things that we're doing to ourselves.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: We're doing the genetics. Modification on ourselves. We're doing the
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: genetic testing on ourselves. So if we just blame this
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: something that we never see that is unverifiable, then it
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: just allows the people that are doing these nefarious things
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: to continue to do these nefarious things because it's blamed
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: on something otherworldly.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the famous cartoonist Walt Kelly had a cartoon called Pogo.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: was a little possum that lived in the Okefenokee swamp.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: And there's a famous quote from that comic strip where
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: the little possum says, we have seen the enemy and
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: he is us. You know, we are our own, we're
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: our own enemies. And, you know, that, that tends to
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: be the case, you know, throughout history. And you mentioned,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: you know, the extraterrestrial, you know, the extraterrestrial threat or,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: you know, whatever you want to call it, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: the there's, there's always been a, a, a technique used
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: by governments, and it was during the Cold War, it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: called the strategy of tension. And it's always give the
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: people an enemy, you know, give them something to keep
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: them agitated and focused on while you're doing something behind the,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: you know, behind the scenes to them. You know, and
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: back in Italy, where this term originated, it was the
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Red Army Brigades, you know, doing bombings and kidnappings and
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: things like that. But it turned out Later on, though,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: those were actually being done by Italian intelligence. They weren't
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: terrorist bombings. They were being done by the Italian government
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: to keep the Italian populace kind of stirred up so
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: they were easier to manipulate. So you have to wonder
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: when something comes out, especially, yeah, I know this isn't
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: a show on disclosure, but you know, there's just pathetic
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: dribble of crap that's coming out of disclosure, you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: and everybody gets all excited and it kind of makes
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: you wonder, you know, what's, what's really going on, you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: behind the scenes, you know, what's, uh, you know, what's
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: behind the curtain, you know, what's the wizard really look
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: like back there. And maybe he isn't the great and
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: terrible Oz. Maybe it's just, uh, broken down old man
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: pulling on some levers.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Well we have uh i have a clip here from
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: danny sheehan and he recently because i'd been talking about
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: this for a while on my promotion of the movie
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: and uh you know i was like it's eventually going
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: to come out and it came out sooner than what
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: i thought that it was going to but i think
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: more is going to come out on it as well
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: but uh danny sheehan talking about how The gifted and
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: talented education kids are being trained to psychically remote control
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: UFOs and UAPs. And this is about a two minute clip.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to let it run its entirety. Then we'll
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: discuss after.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And so what they've done is they've lost a number
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of multi-million dollar trained US fighter pilots in trying to
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: get them to fly these things. And they've killed them.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And then they just keep going back trying to do
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: it again and experiment with them and kill more of them.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And it's all being covered up. And so what they
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: decided that they needed to do is they needed to
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: go find people who are psychic. People who have psychic
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: capabilities of telepathic communication and ESP, etc. And so they
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: go and they try to recruit them. And what they
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: found out is that they didn't dare recruit full adults
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: because they would tell about it. And they didn't want
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to sign a nondisclosure agreement. And then they go tell somebody.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: So what they did is they went after children. They
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: set up a program on the military bases where they
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: have military schools for the children of the military people
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and the workers. And they started giving them tests called
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the GATE program, the Gifted and Talented Children. purporting to
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: be looking for the intellectually intelligent kids. But at the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: same time, they were testing them for psychic abilities as well.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And when they discovered some of these kids that had
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: these kind of psychic capabilities, they went to their parents
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and lied to them and said, oh, your child is
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: extraordinarily intelligent, which a lot of them were, and we're
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: going to give them a special scholarship, we're going to
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: have a special school we're going to bring them to.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And they brought them to this school that turns out
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to be on the property of Northrop Grumman, a private
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: aerospace corporation where they test these craft. And they bring
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the kids there. And the problem is that what they're
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: doing is because they're so driven to try to create
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: a weapons delivery platform using this technology to deliver nuclear
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: warheads into Russia or China within seconds, What they're doing
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: is they're so pressed to try to accelerate the program
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: that they're drugging these kids with amphetamines and frying them out,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: these young children, and then having to conceal what's happened
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to them. This is a horrible scandal that is going
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: on inside the program. We now know about it in
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that they're pleading.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: With us not to tell anybody about it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: You'll see how responsive I am.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: What do you think of that, Trey? You know, hmm.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to guard my words here. That's an extraordinary claim.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: And that probably would have been held behind the wall
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: of a special access program. And you and I have
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: talked about this before. If you are in a special
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: access program, you sign a form called a DD form 2836,
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: and you do not talk about what goes on in
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: that program. So if there were children being juiced up
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: on amphetamines by the Department of Defense, ferreted out to
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Northrop Grumman to learn to fly UAPs, I would bet
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: you one of my retirement checks that that would be
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: behind a special access program. And folks probably wouldn't talk
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: about it. So I would have to consider the source.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: children being trained to fly UAPs, you know, and we're
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: going to hope that children are able to maintain what
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: they call essential secrecy in a program like that, seems
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: a bit, to me, far-fetched, in my personal opinion. However,
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: children being trained for psychic abilities, if people remember... if
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: when this book came out in the 1970s, Psychic Discoveries
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Behind the Iron Curtain came out in 1970, that freaked
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of people out, NDOD and others, where we
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: were behind the curve seriously in our psychic studies, especially
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: as it pertains to defense, as it related to parity
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: with the Soviet Union. So I think it is highly plausible,
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: if not, probable that children were being tested for psyche
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: capabilities by the DOD and other multi-letter agencies like you
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: talked about, alluded to, and quite frankly, give the goods
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: in your film that this was being done. But it's
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: piloting UAPs that to me personally, that seems a little
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: out there. I haven't seen the documents or any of
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: the evidence that So supposedly supports this allegation. I would
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: have to give them a really close, you know, squint,
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: you know, if it ever came across my desk to
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: be able to really discuss the veracity of such things. But,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: you know, taking it on prima facie, to me, it
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: seems a bit. Extraordinary.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Well, the only reason that I do not believe that
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: it's extraordinary, because there is documentation of remote viewers connecting
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: with UAPs and psychically controlling UAPs.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: Right, right. Now I'm talking about adults.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: So the children thing is.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: But it's not that far of a step from adults.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: To children is what I'm saying. So if adults can
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: do it and there is, there's one, there's Darcy. We're
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: made an entire documentary about, uh, on UAPs with their mind.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: So it's not that far of, uh, of a stretch.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: And when you look at the, in my movie, now,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: if you remember in Katie pages, part of her interview
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: in my movie that Thomas H. Badinsky, which was, worked
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: at area 51. Uh, he was a navigational engineer for
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: the SR 71 Blackbird. Then he goes to Colorado and
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: he starts biofeedback program, which seems like a precursor to
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute or the Monroe Institute is connected somehow
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: to this, uh, the, the trial learners, because it's very,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: very similar. And he's in there and you, and I
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: showed the clip of the kid where he's.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Like, yes, yes, you did. Can you launch the rocket?
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: Can you launch the rocket?
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, that that does seem odd. That does seem odd.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: You know, was that a little rocket or was that
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: being used as a biofeedback tool? I I don't know.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: I just think where it just seems a little weird
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: to me is I just can't see little Johnny coming
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: home from Little League baseball practice. you know, and, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: jumping in a blacked out school bus and, you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: being driven over to, you know, Northrop Grumman to fly
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: a UFO. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, he's
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: not being trained to hone his capabilities and his skills
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: to be utilized as an adult wherever he goes in
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: the military industrial complex. You know, I think certain skill
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: sets are honed and sharpened. You know, I mean, in
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: I'll give you an example, junior ROTC in high schools. Okay.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Thousands and thousands of programs in high school. What they're
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: doing is they're training kids and they're honing them to
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: be military personnel. They're honing their skills. They're finding out
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: who has the skills to be a potential, either a
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: military member or military officer, you know, and if a
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: kid shows promise in that, then he or she will be,
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of, either recruited by the military to go,
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: you know, as a, uh, a recruit, or they'll be
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: sent to university perhaps under a army or, you know,
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: other military scholarship to become an officer. So, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: it's not farfetched. We, we do it out in the
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: open with junior ROTC programs, civil air patrol. That's another
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: example of it. So, you know, why could something not being,
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: you know, why is it so unreasonable that something's done
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: sub Rosa, you know, where maybe the, you know, the true, uh,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: the true need and, and, uh, you know, reality of
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: it is hidden, you know, hidden from even the participants.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that the key point that Danny Sheehan
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: just laid out there was that the school, the he's claiming, right?
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Because it's a claim. It's very difficult to verify, but
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: we do have verification that adults or psychic adults were.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: So it's not that big of a stretch, but it
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: still is a stretch because we don't really have that much.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: We just have him saying this, right? which is a
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: form of testimony. But I think that the key thing
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: that he said in there is that this is a
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: school on a military base. So these are kids of
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: military active duty, well, not active duty, but people that
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: are working on a military base. So their kids are
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: going to school on a military base right so it's
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: not like they have to be shuttled from a public
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: school and onto a military they're already on the military
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: base and i think that what he's meaning is and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: what kind of makes it more plausible is that it's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: already taking place on a military base it's it's a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: school that's happening on a military base it's kids of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: people that are currently in the military. So it's not
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: like that they really have to, you know, shut them
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: up about it. If that is the case, because they're
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: already there, their entire life is already a.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Great. They're in that culture. Yeah. Yeah. And that those
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: are called Dodd school, a DOD school, Dodd schools. And, uh,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: you know, something interesting about that. And you were mentioning
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: that it just kind of came to mind is, you know,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: whatever goes on in Dodd school, you know, DOD schools,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: you know, might not be subject to public records. You know,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: it might be held behind as an exclusion to the
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Freedom of Information Act, the FOIA Act. So, you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: who knows, you know, what went on inside of some
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: of these DOD schools.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Where is, I didn't know the DOD actually had, is
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: this like a public school for like high school or
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: is this like a school?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's called the DODS, Department of Defense Schools.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: And they have schools on military bases all the way
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: from preschool, daycare, all the way up to high school.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: They don't always necessarily farm the kids out to the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: local community. I'll give you an example. If you have
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: a military base in Korea, and Sergeant Smith gets assigned
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: to Korea, and he takes his family over there, he's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: not going to enroll his American friends son or daughter
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: into a Korean high school, that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: They have schools there on the base for the service
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: members and certain authorized Department of Defense civilian personnel to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: send their kids to.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: What this seems like to me, Trey, is that this
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: is 100% military connected. Some of these first programs might
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: have been a direct military program with experimentation on children.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: And that is a very bold claim. And I'm kind
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: of apprehensive about even saying it because it's a very
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: big deal to believe that the military is is testing
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: on children. It's a very big claim and a big deal,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: and I think that that is the crux of the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: entire movie, the entire documentary, is that claim, is that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: the United States military has and possibly currently still are
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: conducting tests experimentation on children. Now, besides that, uh, that point,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: it seems like that this was the, the, the very
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: first thing. And then it kind of goes back to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon in LA with the big air force base
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: on top of, um, you know, a lot of those
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: musicians back in the sixties all had military family. Their
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: dads were officers that were involved in the military. And
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: they would then recruit their kids because their parents were
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: tried and true and trusted people that knew that they
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: could essentially keep a secret. So then they would come
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: in and recruit their kids. And then their kids became
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: essentially what would be considered influencers today on social media.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: They became.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: big time musicians, they became, uh, you know, writers, they
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: became filmmakers, they became these instrumental people within Hollywood. And
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: it seems like that that type of thing evolved and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: they still kept using military children, uh, you know, military
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: personnel's children, but then they just expanded it to everybody's children.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's, yeah, you mentioned that. And it just something
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: that came to mind. A lot of people don't realize is, uh,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: probably the biggest counterculture problem person out there was, uh,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: you know, Jim Morrison, you know, with the doors and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: his father was a, it was a Navy Admiral, you know, was,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: you know, a very big wig in the department of defense.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: And of course you talked about the, uh, you know,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: the Laurel Canyon and the, uh, I believe it was
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: department of department of war film, film unit. I'm trying
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: to remember if I look out mountain there in LA
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: where they had the facility up on top of the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: mountain and made a lot of, uh, not only, uh,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: propaganda films. We made a lot of classified films too. There's,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: you know, there's some, uh, you're pretty spooky stuff going
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: on up there, you know, up on top of that mountain.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people had classified, uh, clearances up there,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: like actors, like not even like people that have clearance,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: like Marilyn Monroe had a top secret clearance up there.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: John Kerry, like Harry Grant, you know, all these actors
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: had top secret clearance and there was thousands and thousands
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: of films that were made up there that we don't
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: know about because they're all classified.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. You know, uh, Jimmy Stewart went on to
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: become an air force general. You know, a very well-known
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: actor back in the day, you know, at the peak
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: of his career, you know, went into the Air Force,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: flew bomber missions, and then went on to become a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: brigadier general in the, I believe, the Air Force Reserves. So,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: you know, you have to wonder what, you know, what
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: were those guys and gals up to up on top
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: of the mountain, you know, behind the locked doors and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: the combination locks and all of that stuff.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: It seems like the way that MK ultra just expanded
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: to everybody all at once, the entire world, uh, because
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: they figured it out on an individual level. It also
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: seems that that's the way that the, the gifted and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: talented education first started with the military and on military
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: personnel's children. And then they just expanded it to everyone's kids.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Just like it doesn't matter if you're, or for somebody important,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: if we believe that you are going to be useful,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: then you're going to be useful. And I think that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: that's another part of this is that people that believe
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: that they aren't useful, they probably have some sort of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: use for them. They've found something. So the thing that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: you might be doing right now might be part of it,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: might be part of the operation. who knows? That's the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: crazy part about this entire thing is you don't really know.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: Well, and that was the thing about MK ultra is
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: it wasn't, you know, people always, you know, MK ultra,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: they think about the LSD experiments, you know, and all
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: of that stuff is it was about manipulating people from
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: all kinds of aspects, all kinds of angles. It was,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: you know, it was psychic. It was drugs. It was
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: using sound. It was, you know, psychic driving. It was,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: you know, remote influencing. It was remote viewing. It was
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: all of this stuff, you know, was up under this
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: umbrella program. And what's really cool is there are probably
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: sub-compartments of that program that we can't even imagine, you know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: that are so bizarre and so mind-blowing that, you know,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: what will become declassified in the next 10 years? You know,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: is it things, you know, we watch films like, or
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: TV shows like Stranger Things. Stranger Things is not necessarily,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: you know, fiction. You know, there's a web of truth
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: or a thread of truth, you know, running through that.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: So what was done, you know, in these labs, you know, with,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: you know, multiple ways to influence people, you know, either,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: you know, using energetics, using psychology, using pharmaceuticals or other means.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And it's been rumored for a really long time
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: that there were another 100 or another 150 MKU subprojects
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: that were just, the documentation for them were apparently destroyed.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would bet on that. I would take that bet.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Either destroyed or still classified. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: And they were trying to, and what we kind of
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: got was the leftovers. And the only way that we
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: even knew about those to begin with was that they
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: were just, they were stumbled upon and like a storage area.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Locker or something by a person that was going in
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: to clean up a bunch of files and then randomly
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: stumbled across the 149 that we have actual documentation for today.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Well, Trey, brother, thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. It was always a fascinating conversation. I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: really much, uh, really enjoyed it. Always love, uh, speaking
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: with you. It's always mind, uh, bending and mind opening.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: And we always have a really good rapport. Uh, can
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: you tell people where they can, uh, find you where
• 1:09:43
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• 1:09:47
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• 1:09:53
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• 1:09:55
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• 1:09:58
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• 1:09:59
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• 1:10:03
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