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The Disappearance of Elisa Roberson Part 4: Debacle · Gone Cold - Texas True Crime

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The Gone Cold podcasts may contain violent or graphics subject matter. Listener discretion is
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advised. In the summer of twenty sixteen, when the Search and Recovery Organization
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Texas ECUSEARCH came to Aransas Pass, Texas, they used ground penetrating radar and
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cleared brush on properties owned by Robert Earl Green, or Bob as he was
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better known. He's the father of Debbie Green, the ten year old girl
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who Alisa Roberson was supposed to have met halfway between their homes the day she
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vanished. Fifty nine years old. At the time of Alisa Roberson's disappearance in
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August of nineteen eighty nine, Bob became the prime suspect in the case in
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the eyes of Aransas Pass Police Lieutenant Linda Thompson and Captain of Detectives Mike Thompson.
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But twenty seven years after Elisa was last seen on her way to meet
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Debbie at Key Burger Elementary School, there was a new detective in town,
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Captain Kyle Rhodes, and a new Texas ranger working alongside him, Antonio or
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Tony Deluna. Early that summer, their focus was on properties owned by Bob
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Green, but when Texas exusearch returned, the focus shifted. In August of
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twenty sixteen, both Elisa's sister Ruby and her mother Marina, traveled to Aransas
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Pass to memorialize her years earlier in two thousand and nine, a tree was
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planted on the front lawn of Key Burger Elementary and under it a plaque that
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reads, in memory of Alisa Roberson and for all the lost children, may
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they find their way back home. When Ruby posted on Facebook that she was
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coming back to Aransas Pass from Idaho to visit the memorial, she was contacted
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by a friend who worked at a Loewe's home improvement store. The company wanted
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to Controy tribe, and upon Marina and Ruby's journey back to the bayside city
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that held so much pain for them, the organization Lowe's Heroes placed a red
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ornate bench facing the plaque, a raised flower bed with red flowers and red
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mulch, and hung hummingbird feeders and potted flowers on shepherd hooks. The upgrade
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took place on the morning of August sixth, twenty sixteen, during a small
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ceremony of about twenty or so local folks, including friends and even some of
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Elisa's teachers. The event was emotional, a somber reminder that they knew virtually
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nothing about what happened to the thirteen year old girl. Immediately after the almost
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funereal event, things took a dark turn and an old friend's years long vendetta
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came to its culmination. The only one that knows what happened is the doer,
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and all I can prove is two things. I can prove that he's
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a pedophile by court record, and I can prove he as a liar.
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Most pedophiles don't kill, and I don't think he intended to kill Alisa.
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I believe he accidentally killed her. During the initial investigation, former Araansis Pass
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Police Lieutenant Linda Thompson told us Bob Green quickly came on the radar as a
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person of interest. Bob had known Marina and their kids for years, and
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in fact was once their landlord. Marina told us about their long friendship.
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We used to live at mister Green's house I rented, he have a rent
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a rental at eleven before that, and my daughter hang around a loud at
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his house, just spend the night. And then when I moved from that
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house from his house to the other house at the witness treat Then he and
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David used to come and pick up my daughters to take them to his house,
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and then when they finished playing, he used to bring them back.
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Was sometimes that daughter Ruby and Elissa spend the night at their house with Devi.
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She will always ask you, you call ma plu with my dolls.
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Can you come and play with my dolls? You'll know. For about two
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years, they'd rented out the downstairs of the Green family home. Bob sometimes
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helped out the Robersons, and even after they moved out of his house on
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Eleventh Street and into the above garage apartment on South Whitney, Alisa and Ruby
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played with his daughter Debbie. Bob would give the kids rides to and from
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home often, but according to Marina and Ruby, his own family implicated him
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and Alisa's disappearance. Your wife told me Bob is not the man everybody thinks
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he is. But that day after Lisa went missing, whether it was the
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day after or a few days after, I don't know exact timing, but
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Debbie, both Debbie and her mom told my mom and me I was there.
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I was always with, you know, my mom after this happened,
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but because she was so scared of letting her kids out of her sight,
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so she had us like we were stuck to her like glue. We weren't
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allowed to go like we used to go. And so I remember being there,
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and I remember mister Debbie and Terry both saying, we think Bob had
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something to do with it, because he's been acting really strange. According to
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both Olinda and Mike Thompson, ransis past captain of detectives. At the time,
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complaints against Bob Green had been made on a couple occasions, accusing him
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of indecency with a child and molestation. I weren't chases on him. Regarding
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another friend in the community, Debbie's older sisters half sisters, the guy was
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a pedophile. Ulessa would not have thought anything about Hoffman car with him.
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No one had reported screaming, and there were no signs of a struggle at
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or near the area where the bloodhound Clement Time lost Elisa sent to the day
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following her disappearance, Elisa, by nearly every indication, got into a vehicle
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with someone she knew and trusted. Considering those unignorable circumstances and the fact that
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Alisa was to have met his daughter the day she went missing, Lieutenant Thompson
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decided Bob had better be scrutinized closely. Bob, of course, didn't like
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that. Bob hated me, absolutely despised me. And it was obvious from
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the time I first met him, which was on Elisa's case, that he
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damasured him like a woman and a physician authority period. And when that woman
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kept coming back and coming back and coming back, wanted to talk to his
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daughter, wanted to talk to him, wanted to talk to Terry, it
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just made him extremely hostile. Then I arrest him for another little girl's outcry
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and that child's and says, no, no, no, we're not going
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to do this. I'm not going to push it. I can't. Everybody's
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got the right to be confronted by their accuser, and if your accuser we
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can't, then they can't. And I got where I wouldn't talk to Debbie
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with Bob ran I would make Terry be the parent. He said, well,
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you can't do that. I said, no, I have to have
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his parents permission, and I said, she's a witness. I can get
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a court order if you want to do it that way, and if I
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get a court order, then you ignored, Terry will be in the room
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when I talk to her, And so he would give a little bit.
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As far as Bob's alibi, both Linda and Mike Thompson told us the man
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did himself no favors. He had a shop two blocks up south from where
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he actually lived. According to him, he'd been working in the shop and
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fell asleep in his car. There was to mention that he was a smother
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property buying the law or whatever he was doing. It's August in South Texas.
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You're talking ninety five degrees. Mike was able with the help of a
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climatologist to come up with it would have been around one hundred and thirty five
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one hundred and forty degrees in that car, in that shed at that time
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on a Sunday afternoon. I don't think he's all asleep in no car.
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Though online calculators and controlled studies very slightly. The temperature fluctuated between ninety and
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ninety six degrees fahrenheit during this period, and at the low end it was
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one hundred and thirty three degrees in that car. After sixty minutes, Bob
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in other words, we never woke up. It would have just cooked his
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brain. So that's the two things I can prove about him is that he's
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a liar and he's a pedophile. Bob Green was prosecuted on another case,
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the charge in decency with a child wild. According to court records and the
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Texas Department of Public Safety, he took a plea deal and got six years
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probation. Debbie Green told us that this was the case in which the little
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girl recanted and that her father's sentence was vacated. However, we've been unable
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to find any documents suggesting he was exonerated. Marina Roberson didn't know much of
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what occurred concerning Bob Green, the charges and allegations, and she didn't believe
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his wife and daughter's accusations. After all, he'd always been good to her
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and the kids. No, No, he saw friends, he saw friends.
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My friend would never hold Lisa and I remember hearing rumors about mister.
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But of course my mom thought he was the nicest guy because he would bring
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her groceries and help her out as she needed a bride, and he would
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take us kids, you know, to get ice cream. You know,
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he would take us to the beach and he would have us drive his smart
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like but he would sit us on his lap and then looking. You know
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when I see think back like that, that's just stuff you just don't do
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with someone else's kids, like little girls. You just don't do that.
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But I guess nobody was. Everyone just thought it was nice, Oh,
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mister Green. You know. For decades, Marina continued to believe her abusive
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ex boyfriend, Ralph Gonzales was responsible for Elisa's disappearance. We found out even
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more details about Bob green disturbing allegations. In fact, we spoke with Debbie
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Green back in October and then again shortly before the release of the last episode.
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She vehemently espouses the theory that Marina killed Alisa during a fight, that
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she went to hit Elisa as she was rebelliously leaving the apartment. Alisa fell
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down the stairs, and Debbie told me, brok herneck and died. That's
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what I think happened, and I think she's still in that house. It's
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a specific, though entirely speculative scenario, and it omits the witness accounts of
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several wildly credible folks who saw Elisa walking toward Key Burger Elementary School that day.
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Debbie was not able to provide proof for anything she claims to be true,
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and answers every challenge with a refusal to investigate. She employs the conspiracy
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theorist's tactic of bombardment of unprovable information in her attempts to reverse the challenge.
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Every time she was asked to prove acclaim, the evidence, all of which
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she says she has, is just out of reach. No matter what fact
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or differing corroborating account I gave Debbie, it was never right, only she
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was correct. Normally, I'd ignored Debbie Green completely, but her year's long
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harassment campaign against Ruby, Marina and Linda Thompson has had a negative effect on
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them, so it's necessary we break down just a few more claims that Debbie
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likes to repeat on rapid fire when she gets started. Bob had been mowing
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a customer's grass during the time Elisa disappeared, Debbie said, but she'd forgotten
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these people's names, the only names she seems to have forgotten. It's unclear
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if she believes he was mowing during the time she says Alisa disappeared between three
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thirty and four, or the time corroborated by virtually everyone else, and facts
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between five thirty and six. It's also unclear how or why these witnesses to
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Bob Mowing are more credible and correct than the several others Debbie dismisses, you
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know, the high school secretary and the decorated World War Two veteran. She
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also continually dismisses the memory of folks around the time, everyone who doesn't subscribe
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to her version anyway. The managing editor of the ransis past progress. Mary
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Molina Cole, along with several other folks, must have been mistaken when she
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remembered Marina and Ruby coming into the newspaper's office the day following Elisa's disappearance,
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distraught and frantic. They were there to get Elisa's photograph in the paper.
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But Debbie's theory anyway didn't materialize out of thin air. At least that's what
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I've been told. The theory that I have, and that Christine has,
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and that many people have, is that indeed Marina was mad at Lisa that
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day, and that somehow, trying to discipline her or whatever, by accident,
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she hit her too hard. She fell down the stairs and she's buried
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underneath that cement in that garage. And that's what I think. That's kind
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of what the sonar showed when they searched. At least that's what I was
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told. And from the person I know who poured the concrete, that's what
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they suspect too. And they admitted to pouring that concrete because Marina asked them
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to. Two weeks after, like August fifteenth, Alisa disappeared August sixth.
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This this person had lots of concrete because of their job, they didn't have
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to pay for it. And it wasn't a whole lot of concrete. It
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wasn't the whole garage. It was like a six by six or six x
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ten little area, just enough to set a washer and dryer on, if
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you get what I'm saying, Like it's not the whole dirt for garage,
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just one spot in that garage that is where this concrete was poured. Okay,
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that's the story. And I know this person personally, And if you
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weren't recording this, Like if I knew this part wasn't going to go on
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air, I would tell you who that person is. But I don't want
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to put that part on air, because I don't know if I'll get in
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trouble for it. This person is still alive. They can't prosecute him because
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the statute limitations has ran out for accessory. This person is elderly, very
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sick. Forget it. I'll just say it because Linda's already got it all
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over her Facebook. It's fine, it's my dad, Okay, it was
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my dad who helped her. It was the spot this story goes where Marina
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buried Elisa, right under the noses of trained cadavergogs who were still in town
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at the time. She explained to me the role Lieutenant Linda Thompson played and
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why. I don't know the whole circumstance and the whole situation, but basically,
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the theory was for this person was that she had three other kids that
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she needed to take care of and it was an accident, and so they
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felt bad for her and they helped her out. Linda Thompson has always had
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a vendetta against my dad for whatever reason. I'm not sure. We all
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went to church together. My dad did not go to church, but my
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mom did. We all went to the LDS Church, the Mormon Church,
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and We also went to sembly a God sometimes too, but that was our
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main church. But she's had a vendetta against my dad since day one.
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Okay. Debbie could not, however, offer any explanation as to why Linda
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would be so obsessed with persecuting her father, and told me Bob had no
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idea why either. In the case of the little girl that recanted her story
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about Bob Green's sexual abuse, Debbie offered up, this, that's all bullshit.
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All of that is bullshit. It was all unfounded because Linda Thompson paid
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her five thousand dollars to say my dad molested her when me and my mom
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were in Virginia visiting my aunt and we come back, my dad's in jail.
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Well he did it whatever they made him do. Me and my mom
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had left and came to Iowa. A couple of years later. This girl
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goes back to court and says, yeah, I was paid by Linda Thompson
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to say this and recanted, and everything was dropped on my dad at that
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point, like wiped out because she was able to prove that she lied and
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that wasn't actually what happened. After Part three of Elisa's story aired, Debbie
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began texting me, at first furious as we texted back and forth. However,
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she calmed down and we discussed again what Gone Cold had found out through
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our research and interviews, and how that was in stark contrast to what she
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believed. Apparently, Captain Kyle Rhodes has been very forthcoming with the information he
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is collected and investigation with Both Debbie and the person were calling Sharon. It's
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because, Debbie said in a text, they and a woman, Christine,
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were the only ones keeping Elisa's case alive. Many of the details that Debbie
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told me about the current investigation she got straight from the captain himself. She
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said she saw police files during the supposed current investigation. Debbie says, anyway,
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our text conversations were about as productive as our phone calls. Again,
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I found myself agreeing with a few of Debbie's perspectives and she could offer no
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proof for any But when she shared a text conversation between her and a close
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family member, things took a different turn. This person was telling Debbie about
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the sexual abuse they suffered at the hands of her father, Bob. This
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person said likes girls and boys. He touched me, They said further down
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in the conversation. I know you won't believe me, because you believe what
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you want. I never told anyone until now, they added, and went
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on to say they never let their children or grandchildren around him, something Debbie
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acknowledges in the text chain to be true. I know what he's capable of
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doing, this family member said. Though she loved the close family member that
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had just opened up about Bob sexually abusing them, she wasn't sure she believed
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them. Debbie told me, I'm paraphrasing there only to omit this person's identity.
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This is verbatim. He has never liked my dad and was jealous of
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the way I grew up. That was the point I began trying to end
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my correspondence with Debbie. She is, however, very persistent. I was,
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and still am, appalled at Debbie's continual belief of the many accusations against
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her father, and this particular instance happening in real time was especially difficult to
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swallow. All of this aside. It is possible Bob Green is not responsible
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for the disappearance of Alisa Roberson, But before we get into any of that,
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the preceding was the seed for the tactics and line of investigation. Aransas
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Pass Police Captain Kyle Rhodes and Texas Ranger Tony Deluna would eventually employ. Although
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Ruby and Marina had maintained a relatively friendly, albeit distant relationship with Debbie Green
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over the years, in the late two thousands, everything changed abruptly. In
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two thousand and nine, after the tree was planted and memorial plaque placed outside
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Key Burger Elementary School and everyone went their separate ways, Debbie began harassing Ruby
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and Marina. I prayer, and I her god and praying and as her
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god. You know everything. You know when Alisa left? Who who took
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her? What happened? What did they take her her? She said?
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And was shown me and showed me, I said. And then David Green
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start doing some crazy things. David Green starts saying that that I did that
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Elisa never left the house that evening, and that Ruby and all my kill
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knows that I did it, that I have something to do with her disappearance,
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and that Elisa got killed in my home, and that Ruby was covering
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from me, and oh my god, oh my god, what is she
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saying that? And that's just my answer, meaning it was the moment,
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it seemed obvious to Marina that Lieutenant Thompson might have been onto something with Bob.
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Why else would Debbie Green act this way? She thought, It's almost
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like it's so just so weird how it started to happen, And I think,
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I can't Okay, So I remember Debbie. I can't remember if this
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was a conversation with her, her and I both direct or if it was
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that somebody told me what she said that And now I can't remember because things
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were pretty chaotic at that time. But from what I understand, she said
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that after she went missing, she came to our house. Supposed she came
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to our house and found a saw a bat in the basement that had blood
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on it. I think that's where it started. I think she was talking
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to some people, either the detectives or someone, and said I saw this
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bloody bat in the house, because I kept hearing something about a bloody bat,
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and I thought, well, Debbie, I don't even remember her coming,
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you know, back to the house. It was the beginning. Ruby
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told us of a year's long harassment campaign, and one that would lee the
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Aransas Pass Police to change course. When Ruby and Marina arrived in Aransas Pass
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in August of twenty sixteen for the twenty seventh anniversary ceremony. Police Captain Kyle
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Rhodes and Texas Ranger Tony Deluna requested to speak with them at the station.
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They agreed, of course, and Rhodes and Doluna grilled them both on their
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memories of the day. Alisa vanished. Ruby remembers it well, and when
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they found out we were coming, the police decided the Texas Ranger and the
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captain that's over the case asked if we'd be willing to do an interview and
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talk to them and kind of revisit a lot of the facts, and so
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that's when they questioned us. And well, at some point they'd ask her,
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would you be willing to take a polygraphic? She said yes. Revisiting
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Elisa's nineteen eighty nine disappearance was hard, but she and Marina came out the
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other end of the five hour interview relatively unscathed. The next day, August
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sixth, the memorial ceremony for Elisa took place. It was early in the
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day, but the emotional impact of the event drained Marina and Ruby. They
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were undoubtedly vulnerable, which was the perfect storm of circumstances for ramsis past Police
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Captain Kyle Rhodes and Texas Ranger Tony Deluna to swoop in and seize the opportunity.
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Marina is still traumatized by that morning. So okay, okay, so
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we'll leave it. We are as we are, unsuspected of what was about
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to happen. At eight thirty, we can put the memorial. And there
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was a lot of people on the planted some flowers and put a pretty pretty
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bench, you know, and we got together over there right after, like
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like at nine o'clock or before nine. Listen, we have not even had
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breakfast. I have not even had a coup of coffee. That morning,
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right about probably before nine, the rangers colored Ruby and said we're coming over.
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We're taking you, bringing your guy to the police station. They said,
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and said okay. Then they show up and they told me and now
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we was that we'll start. There was our friends and one took me in
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in his pickup and the other one took Ruby in another car and he went
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next to me, take us to the police station, and they take room.
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They took rubyfore and my god, and it was taking me. It
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was taking a long long time, or should I said, I wonder what's
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happening in there? It took, it took. It felt it felt like
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like three hours that they have Ruby in there. That's how it felt.
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You know, I'm not saying that it was three hours, but that how
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it felt. And we have not had any breakfast or anything. And then
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finally Ruby come over and and they said, okay, you're next, and
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they took me in there and they kept me for about three hours. It
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felt a long, long long time. And then they asked me about Green,
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about mister Green, and then they asked me about Ralph. But there
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are a few questions that was not to interest about Ralph. Uh, and
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then the way and then you know what what they have in mind. They
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neither mister Green, neither Ralph. They thought that I did it. It
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was like an unfal gassion. When they were over, they went on and
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at this point they was like, give the polygraph and corpus the other one.
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They took my mom. Then straight from there, my mom hadn't eating
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breakfast. My mom was tired, and they just says, will take her.
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You go do something, you know, go eat or something, and
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we'll call you when your Mom's done, which looking back, we should have
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never should I felt like I handed my mom over to the lines then,
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you know, but you're just not thinking. You're thinking they're there to help
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you. And so somewhere around and that twisted whatever rumor whatever it was,
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it just turned on my mom. It's like then it was like my mom
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was under investigation. And she said they were being really rude to her.
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They were yelling at her, and they're like, you need to tell us
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the truth, you know what happened to your daughter. And she's like,
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wait a minute, like what is going on here? When he was so
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with me, he started hitting on this sable, he went through the window.
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Then he came back and he said, and I when I saw you,
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I thought you weren't going to pass with flying Callorus, he said,
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and you failed. You failed. These say Naptain, Rhodes himself and Ranger
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de Luna. They're the ones that told me my mom's the results of her
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polygraph tested the day she took it. They're the ones that came out and
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told me everything. Neither Ruby nor Marina no for sure if what do Luna
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said about the polygraph was true or not. We've never been able to get
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a straight answer, and we think maybe they were just be asking us just
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to kind of, you know, you know how investing gators will think to
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kind of shake things up and make people turn on each other, and then
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that's how they get someone to convince. I think that's what was going on,
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but we don't know for sure, so we'll never have a straight answer.
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A couple years later, Captain Rhodes told the local news there were some
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challenges with how the investigation started, meaning the original investigation, the family wasn't
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initially interviewed for a long time. Now we also have a lot of technological
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differences. While he was at least partially mistaken about the first claim, she
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was interviewed by some of these hot Texas rangers back when we started this whole
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darn thing. I can't tell you how many times we were at that house
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inside outside, pick up Marina bringers and ZD doctor blah blah blah. He
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utilized the latter. In August twenty sixteen, on the twenty fourth of that
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monthis ECHU search came back to town, acting on second hand information. This
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time, however, it wasn't the property of Bob Green. They were after
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Rather, it was the property where Elisa's family lived at the time of her
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disappearance, in the above garage apartment at four thirty one South Whitney Street.
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Debbie Green told us she was brought in to show law enforcement and officials for
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the Search and Recovery group where her father had supposedly poured concrete atop Elisa's grave
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using ground penetrating radar and then some sort of machinery to break up the concrete
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they began their work. Debbie told us she was there the whole time,
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just outside the dig. If that's true, it's another investigative misstep by Rhodes,
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a big one. Although Debbie says a skeleton was found, she also
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admitted to me that she didn't see it, but only her EXCUSEARCH officials say
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they'd found something. So for seven years now, according to Debbie Green,
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the Aransas Pass Police have not only managed to keep a secret that they'd found
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Elisa's body, but have also failed to bring forth charges against anyone. I
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reached out to Texas Ecusearch for comment, but like the Aransas Pass Police,
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they have not replied to my requests. Captain Rhodes was confident, perhaps overly
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so when he said the following year, I think we're getting close. I
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am pretty confident we will reach a successful conclusion to it and find out what
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happened to this girl. In August of this year, twenty twenty three,
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Corpus Christie's Channel three News reported that after testing, interviews and searches, nothing
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new was discovered and nothing was found in the garage under the former Roberson home.
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In a social media comment, a family member of the current homeowners said
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the dig turned up nothing. Debbie then shared with me a private message conversation
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she had with this person, using the person's claim that they feel Elisa's spirit
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as proof she was there. The homeowner's family member told me by direct message
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that nothing was found. Some have posited that if the ground penetrating radar picked
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up something, there must be something there, even if nothing was found.
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However, it seems clear these folks have never researched the limitations and fallibilities of
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ground penetrating radar technology, or GPR. In the two thousand and nine study
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utilizing ground penetrating radar for the location of a potential human burial under concrete by
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the University of Alberta's Michael Ballinger. The author discusses a homicide investigation where the
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GPR picked up on Ann under a concrete slab where investigators had been tipped off
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to examine, but after jackhammering the concrete to escavate for bones, nothing was
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found. Although the GPR had identified an anomaly, there was no body or
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even body fragments to be found. Nothing was there, just empty space.
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And this case itself is hardly the only one of its kind. Debbie Green
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continues to push her grand conspiracy theory online to the detriment of the missing thirteen
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year old's family. She tells me she's the one keeping the case alive,
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but in the same breath says she won't do interviews because no one likes what
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she has to say. Debbie maintains that Ruby and Marina tried to keep Elisa's
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case out of the public's attention until what Linda Thompson calls the equ sarch debacle
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in twenty sixteen. That's when they re emerged, only to confuse the narrative
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and continue the cover up. Next time, on Gone Cold, we'll meet
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private investigator Richard Norgard. If you have any information about the disappearance of Alisa
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Roberson. Please contact Missing Elisa nineteen eighty nine at gmail dot com the address
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for the private investigation. Thanks to Marina Tomchak, Ruby Robson Hall, Linda
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and Mike Thompson, and Debbie Green for their contributions to this episode. If
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