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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Unsealed Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 4-6) (5/3/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're picking up where we left off
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with the Grand Jerry documents from Palm Beach. Bellahovlik, Okay,
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did you discuss with redacted what happened up in the room? Answer? Yes.
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Then we got in the back of her truck. At
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first we were all like, uh, let's go, let's go
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spend our money. Then she was like, oh, what happened.
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What did you do? How much money did you get?
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And I was like, I got three hundred and I
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was like kind of excited three hundred dollars And then
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she was like you got three hundred. What did you
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have to do with him? And then she told or
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I told him or her what I did and then
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she's like, oh, yeah, I've done that too, blah blah blah,
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and like you could she was. Then she told me
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like what what like, if you do this, it's you
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get that. If you do this, then you get that.
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And then she was telling me like all this stuff.
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And then I was like laughing about it cause I
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was like, yeah, thanks, you know for telling me that
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I'd have to get my bra and she's like, oh, sorry,
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and she's laughing, and then the other girl starts laughing too,
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and then we all laughed together. And then we went
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to TJ Max and she got a purse, and I
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didn't spend any of my money. I kept it in
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my I wanted to spend it, but I didn't want
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to spend it at TJ Max. I wanted to go
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to the mall or something, so then I kept it
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in my house, like my purse and stuff. And she
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gets stopped there by bellohov Lick. Let me stop you there.
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When you're in the car back with redacted going back,
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did you and redacted discuss doing this again so you
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could earn more money? Answer yeah, bellohove Lic, Okay, answer,
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I think she's cut off again by bellohov Lic. Then
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the witness cuts bellohovlk off. We had she she didn't
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plan a like certain date. She was just like we
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didn't like plan this or like again, we didn't plan it,
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plan it. It was just like she was like, oh, well,
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if you ever need money again, you can always call
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me and you can come with me. And I said, okay, bellohovelyc,
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you don't recall telling Detective Pegan that you made plans
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to do this every Saturday so that you could get rich. Answer,
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Oh yeah, yeah, well it wasn't like a plan plan.
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It was kind of like an imaginary kind of every
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Saturday like Bellohovlck. Okay. And just to interject your folks,
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because I can't stop myself. Can you see what Bellohovlk's doing?
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Can you see how Bellohovelyck turn this witness into basically
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a prostitute, a little girl? This is what I've been
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telling you for how long? Everybody's out there yelling about
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lists and all the other bullshit, And we've been on
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target this whole entire time, while the vast majority of
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other people were dicking around with a bunch of stuff
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that doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. Bellohovelc,
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did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house to give
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them other massages? Answer? I did not, bellohovlc okay. Answer.
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When I was on the phone with the detective, we
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pretended for redacted because she was on the other line.
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We pretended that I was going to go back, but
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just so she could say something. But I never did.
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Bellhovec Okay, So you did a controlled phone call with
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redacted answer, Uh huh, Bellehovc trying to get her to
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make admissions answer, Uh huh, bellehove Lic Is that a yes? Answer? Yeah, Bellhovic? Okay,
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all right. Was there another reason you sort of didn't
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go back that some people might have found out about
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it or you were talking about you? Answer? Yeah, that's
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what I was going to get to at school. I
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had like my best friend and I told her in
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dance class because that's my first period and that was
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my first period class and like right when I go
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back to school, I had the three hundred dollars in
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my purse with me, and I told her, like, if
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you ever want to make three hundred, you can come
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with me and redacted will take you. And I didn't
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say her name. I said, like, my friend will take
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you and all you have to do is give him
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a massage and stuff. And I told her what I did.
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I didn't tell her everything. I didn't tell her the
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vibrator part. I just left that out, but I told
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her everything else and she kind of laughed and gig
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and she's like, okay, I'll keep that in mind. And
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then BELLOHOVLK who was this person that you told answer
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redacted and redacted. Well, she was in the conversation, but
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she's like, didn't say anything to anybody, bellohovelc redacted answer redacted.
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She didn't. She didn't say anything at first until everybody
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else found out. And then well after I told her redacted,
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the rest of the day goes by, and she was
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telling people and like telling everybody in school. And then
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I was like, I saw her in my gym class
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that same day and I just confronted her. I was like, well,
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why are you telling people? And that's kind of my business,
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and I kind of told you to be nice and
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not to like go around telling people. You're supposed to
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be my best friend. And then she just laughed about it.
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So then we got an altercation in the gym room. BELLOHOVELK,
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Was that a fight? Answer? Yes, Bellohovelk, you had a
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fight answer. We got into a fight. And that's when
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I was had to go to the principal's office and
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told the lady that she why we got into the
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fight with me, and I told her why. She why
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we got into the fight, and I kind of we
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at first we both kind of lied about why cause
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or I did. And then and then I just told
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the principle she was spreading rumors about me, and then Redacted,
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I guess, told the principle why like for real, and
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so then the principle when I had to go in
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the room, she was like, let me see in your purse,
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and I said why, and she's like, asked me if
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I had any money, and I said, no, I don't
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have any money on me, and then she said, like,
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you don't have to lie, You're not going to be
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in trouble. Give me your purse. And then I gave
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her my purse and she found the three hundred and
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she asked me how I got it, and I said
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I worked at redacted because at the time, I really
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did work at redacted. And to this she's interrupted by
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Belohovlik and why'd you lie to the assistant principle witness
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Because I didn't think it was like any of her business,
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like why are we arguing or anything? And I thought,
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why would I tell on myself if she doesn't really
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know anything? But then she really didn't know because Redacted
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told her. And then she after she showed like after
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she took my purse and she looked at the three
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hundred and she didn't believe what I said, like at all,
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and I just kept lying and like saying, no, I
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got it from redacted, my work, my work. And then
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she said, you don't have to lie. I know what happened,
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and she called my step mom, and my step mom
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came to the school and my stepmom said, like, you
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didn't get three hundred from your paycheck. You're lying. And
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then that's when that's when like, uh, I don't know,
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everything kind of came out and then I she's interrupted
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by Bellohovlik. Here, you didn't tell your parents at first,
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So did you lie to them too? Answer? I said,
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I was doing drugs and I was dealing them, like
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I made up any kinds of lie. I didn't want
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to tell them what happened. Answered. Did there come a
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time when Detective Pegan got some messages on your phone?
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Answer from Bellohovlik from redacted answer redacted. Yeah, she oh, well,
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after that whole thing, my cell phone was taken away.
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So she had my cell phone from that day until
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I moved to or addacted and she like, my mom,
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I think she still has it, or the court or
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whatever has my cell phone. BELLAHOVLK, you talked about telling
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your mom you were doing drugs or selling drugs. Answer yeah,
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I just Bellhovek cuts her off. Which one answer just both.
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I just kind of my dad's arguing with me, and
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I just kind of told them, well, I'm a drug dealer. Bellohovelek. Okay,
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So you've had a problem with drugs though, haven't you? Answer?
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I did, not a problem I experimented, Bellahovic. Didn't your
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parents actually send you away to a rehabilitation center because
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of it? Answer to a family help center Bellahovec. Okay,
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answer to be specific or whatever it was because of that,
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But it was also because I had a lot of
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family like getting along problems, Like I argued with my
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parents a lot. Bellahovlk. Were you doing drugs during the
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time that you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer no, Well,
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the only the only drug that I did at that
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time was pot, like I smoked it sometimes. I didn't
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do like drug drugs, like bad kinds of drugs. Bellohovelc.
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Do you still smoke pot? Answer no, belohove Lic. Do
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you have a MySpace dot com account? Answer yes, I
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have a MySpace belohove Lic. Oh, there you talk about
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doing drugs? Answer no, I don't talk about it. There's
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like like a little thing where it says create like
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your own thingy, and it asked questions like a survey.
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That's the word. I'm looking for a survey about Like
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they just asked questions and it says have you ever
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done drugs? And I said, yeah, have you? It says
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have you ever done drugs? Bellohovelc, Okay, I'd asked a
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lot of questions about you. Right answer yes. But I
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also did delete that MySpace and I did a good one.
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I she's cut off by bellohovlc, but she goes on.
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I deleted it because my parents found out. Bellohove Lik.
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So you had one that wasn't real good answer yes,
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bellohove lic that you lied about your age. John said
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you were eighteen on answer No, I didn't say I
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was eighteen. Bellohovelk, this your account? Answer no, bellhovlk here
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with redacted female eighteen years old lives and redacted answer Yes,
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but I didn't do this one. All minds have like
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cool things in the back like mine. I would never
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make an ugly one. Bellhovelk, redacted, do have more fun?
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Answer yeah, Bellehovelc, you're a redacted Answer yeah, but and
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I have that X like those exact same things on
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my old one. It had like not in what it
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says about me in that little sentence, bellhove Lik. Okay.
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Answer that's not I didn't make that, Bellohovelk. So when
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you're talking about that survey you answered, it says your
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choice of alcohol and you put beer. Answer Yeah, Bellehovelc,
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do you drink beer? Answer at parties? Bellohovelk. Okay. It
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says you have four piercings? Answer not anymore? Now, why
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only will? I used to have my belly button pierced?
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Bellhove Lic. It takes you have to be eighteen in
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the state of Florida to have body piercings other than
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your ears. How, Answer my dad, Bellhovic. How did you
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get those? Answer? My dad took me to get my
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belly button piers for my fourteenth birthday cause like everybody
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was getting one, so I begged for it and then
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I just got my nose pierced. So bellohove Lic, did
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you have to provide identification for your nose just to
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prove you were eighteen? Answer? No, my dad. My dad
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let me, bellohove lick your dad. Okay, so you didn't
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have false identification at that time? Answer no, bellohove Lic. Okay.
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So you said yes to drinking and smoking smoking pot?
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Answer yeah, bellohove Lic. There's a question do you shoplift?
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Do you recall what you put for that? Answer I did,
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bellohove Lic. What did you shoplift? Answer like a couple
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of times, bellohovec. Do you recall putting lots of times
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on your site? Answer maybe this was a long time ago.
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So bellohove Lic. Okay. You reported an income of two
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Answer as a joke, bellhovelec
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on that site. Answer yeah, it's a joke, like all
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my friends do that cause it's kind of funny and
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random and stupid. Bellohove Lic. Okay, So it's not that
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you're making money elsewhere? Answer no, it she's interrupted by
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bellohovec doing similar activity. Answer it was just kind of stupid.
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It's like a joke, bellohove Lic. Okay. Did you ever
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make arrangements with redacted to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's
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house in April of two thousand and five? Answer not
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when I was with her, maybe on a phone conversation
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like with the detective, but not ever when I was
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with her. Question from BELLOHOVLC, did you ever talk to
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or adacted about going back in April of two thousand
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and five? Answer? I really don't think so, Bellehovic. Okay,
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all right. At this point, I'm going to ask the
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Grand Jurors if they have any questions for you. Answer, okay,
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all right. We're gonna wrap up this episode right here,
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and in the next episode we're gonna pick ap with
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the Grand Jurors and their line of questioning. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up
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where we left off with the Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jerry
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documents from Palm Beach jur. Where do you live now, Witness?
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I live in redacted jur Where Witness redacted jur Did
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you say that before you lived up and redacted? Witness? Yes,
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I moved to redacted in July with my mother. Bellahovelik interjects,
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your mother, your stepmother, and your father sent you up
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there to get away from the activities down here. Witness No,
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I move with my mom. When I was with my dad,
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like after this all happened, my mom and dad were
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arguing and I didn't like my dad anymore, and I
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just felt like living back with my mom. So then
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I moved in with my mom and that's when I
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went to the family center like redacted is what it's called.
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And then after that, my mom had planned on moving
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to redacted. She's been planning for like two years before
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any of this happened. And then they finally found a
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house and redacted. So we moved and I move with them. Jur.
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Do you have any idea deep down inside of you
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that you what you're doing is wrong? Witness Yeah, I did, Jur.
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Oh do you have you Witness oh, I caught off
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by the jur. Have you set the goals of to
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not do it anymore? Witness yes, I don't. I haven't
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talked to any of those people since that day, Dur.
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And you're well aware that what you're doing to your
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own reputation the witness, Yes, I do. And this part
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right here, this exchange is absolutely wild. Bellehovelk should be
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held accountable. And I mean yesterday, bellehovelc you aware that
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you committed a crime witness, Now, I am. I didn't
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know it was a crime when I was doing it,
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Like I don't know now, I guess it's prostitution or
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something like that. Let's be very very clear, Okay, child
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can't be a prostitute. So this whole entire line of questioning,
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this whole entire bullshit nonsense that we see from Bellahovlick
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is nothing but garbage. And she's doing this to protect
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Jeffrey Epstein. Does anyone have any doubt? And now, especially
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go back and think about the NPA document that we
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read and how much bullshit that was. Oh yeah, the
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OIG didn't find anything wrong with any of this. Give
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me a break. It was all to protect their asset,
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Jeffrey Epstein. And by the way, he wasn't Masad. Okay,
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go and stuff that bullshit too. The dude was an asset.
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That means he was a free agent working for intelligence
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agencies all over the place, including the Masad. But he
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wasn't a Masad agent. Get that through your skulls, Bela Havlick.
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Any other questions the juror one more you said you
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worked at redacted. You were fourteen, you were working at redacted. Witness, Yeah,
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in redacted. That's when they like, first let you work
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when you're fourteen, Jur. Okay, now your work, you're living
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back now with your father. In the mean, the witness
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no audible response, Miss Bellahovlick. Anybody else in the front row,
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second row, Yes, sir, Jur. You kept saying Jeffrey's assistant.
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Do you know her name? Witness No, I know that
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she has blonde hair, that she was tall and skinny.
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I don't remember her name, Jur okay Bellohoveleck. Yes, sir.
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In the back row, Jur, yes, misredacted. Did you ever
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go back to mister Repstein's on your own, the witness, No, Sir,
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I didn't, Jur. Did he ever contact you with your
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cell phone? He never called you, the witness, No, because
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I got my phone taken away, like the jur interrupts her,
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did you, witness interrupts the jur right back right when
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I was in trouble, Jur. Did you ever feel that
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his behavior was a little strange, Witness, That's what we
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all joked about in the car, Dur. Yeah, But did
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it ever occur to you that he could have hacked
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you up. Witness. I now think about it, and a
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lot of things could have happened. I thought about it
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a lot, and a lot should give it a little
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further thought, Witness. Different things could have happened, Bellohovlick. Any
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other questions for misredacted? All right, thank you very much.
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The witness is excused. Now they're calling back Joseph Riccari
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as a witness. Miss Dugan. I'll go ahead, and this
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is for the record. This is Detective Joe Riccary. I
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don't need to reswear you in. We'll just remind you
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that you're under oath Riccary. Okay Dugan, Okay, Bellohovlick. Detective Raccari.
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Let's go back to the investigation before you took over.
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It's still Detective Pegan. There is mention in her report
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of trash pulls. What's a trash pull? Answer? A trash
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pull is when you make arrangements with the supervisor of
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sanitation to have the trash man go on to the property,
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remove the trash and place it in the empty well
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of the trash truck, and you follow him to a
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different location than you retrieve the bags from the truck. Bellahovelk.
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How is it that you can take things off someone's
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property without a search warrant in that way? Is it
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permits because it's been discarded? Answer, it's discarded, it's trash.
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It was in the truck. We just take possession of
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it from the truck, bellohovek Okay. April first, two thousand
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and five, was there a trash pull at Jeffrey Epstein's house?
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Answer correct, Bellhovec, Okay. Do you know what was found
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when they examined the trash from his house? Answer? Several
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messages with phone numbers written on it, with girls' names
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and different messages. Question did any of the messages that
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you've had a chance to look at talk about any
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of the girls you found out through your investigation had
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gone to Jeffrey Epstein's house. Answer that's correct. The names
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and phone numbers were of girls that have gone to
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the house and left little messages. I have girls for them,
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you know, for a good time call me type of thing,
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bellohovlk Okay. Was there a message indicating that redacted had
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an appointment in April? Answer yes, Bellehovec. And what time
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did redacted have an appointment in April. Answer eleven am.
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Bellhove Lic, Okay, do you know if Detective Pagan had
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taken voicemails from Redacted's phone where Redacted was confirmed meeting
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with redacted? Answer right, bellohovelc to go there at eleven
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Answer there were controlled phone calls between Redacted was making
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phone calls to redacted for us as part of the investigation.
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Redacted made the appointment to bring redacted over at eleven
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am for April first. Bellehovelc, but Redacted never went there?
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Answer no, Bellohovic. Okay, Now, were there any messages indicating
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that someone name redacted or someone name redacted has appointments
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to go to mister Epstein's house. Answer yeah, there were
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several mentions of redacted and redacted. Bellohove Lick. Were you
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able to identify who redacted and redacted were? Answer? Yes,
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I did. Later on in the investigation, we discovered that
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redacted was actually redacted Redacted. Another redacted school student who
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still attends and redacted was the other girl that was
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frequenting Epstein's home. Bellhovlc. How old was redacted at that time? Answer?
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I believe she was sixteen? Bellhovk and how old was redacted?
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Answer redacted. Through the investigation, I found out she started
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going to the house when she was sixteen or had
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just turned sixteen, Bellehovlc. And how long of a time
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did she continue to go there? Answer till she turned eighteen? Bellhovik? Okay.
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Was there a trash pull on September twenty first of
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two thousand and five? I guess this is after you've
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taken over the investigation? Answer correct, Bellhovlk Okay. Was there
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a trash pull that day? Answer yes, Bellhovevik. Did you
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find anything interesting in that trash pull? Answer I'm trying
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to get to Bellhovlc maybe page twenty four to twenty
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five of your report, page twenty four. Answer the date
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was September, Bellhovelek, September twenty first. Answer okay, yes, Bellhovelc.
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What did you find in the trash pool? Answer? I
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had notes with the names redacted with her phone number
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as well as redacted for a good time call redacted
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and she's cut off. He's cut off here by Bellohovlk.
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Were you able to identify redacted? Answer yes, Bellhovlik, who
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is redacted? Answer? Redacted is redacted? Bellohovek and what about redacted?
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Were you able to identify redacted? Answer yes. Through the investigation,
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I was able to find out that redacted is actually redacted, BELLHOVELK.
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Can you spell redacted? Answer redacted? Bellhovik? And how old
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was she at the time? Answer seventeen bellhove Lik okay.
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Another trash pull occurred on October third, two thousand and five.
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Answer correct, bellohovelc. Anything interesting found in that trash pull?
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Answer October third? What page are you on? Bellhovlc Page
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twenty six? Page twenty six is a report dictated by
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Officer Krohl. Answer Curtis Krohl correct, bellhovlk okay. Answer that's
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why bellhovlc In there? He indicates in the trash pull
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they located a hard plastic or clear acrylic stick which
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was shaped with small ridges. This device is commonly used
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as a sexual toy which is inserted into the vagina
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or aenus for stimulation. Was that type of item actually found?
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Answer on The device was actually found, but later on
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in the search warrant, it was discovered that it was
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actually the handle of the He's cut off here by
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bellohove lic for the silverware. He goes on to answer
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for forks, for forks and knives, Bellohovik Okay, So it
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wasn't something we would call a vibrator or a dildo.
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Answer no, bellohove Lick Okay. It appeared that way to him,
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but you were able to confirm later it was not.
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Answer right, bellehovlk Okay. All right, You are aware from
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your investigation and talking to Detective Pegan that redacted said
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she was initiated into going to Jeffrey Epstein's house by
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someone name or redacted? Answer correct, Bellohovlc. Were you ever
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able to talk to or redacted? Answer yes, I did,
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beloh When was that? Answer October third, two thousand and five, Bellhovic.
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Where did that take place? Answer Sergeant Frick and I
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went to her house out and redacted knocked on the
22:10
door and asked her to come back to the station
22:12
for further questioning reference this investigation, bellhove Lic. How old
22:16
was she redacted? Answer? Redacted had just graduated from high
22:20
school from redacted school, bellhovlk Okay. Was she a minor
22:24
at the time or an adult? Do you recall? Answer well,
22:28
in at the time, she would have been an adult, Bellohovvik.
22:33
When and to this. She's cut off by Rakari at
22:36
the time of the interview, Bellohovlc. When you talk to her? Okay,
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did she talk to you that day at her house?
22:43
Answer no, she came back with us to the police
22:46
department for further questioning Bellohovevic. She was uncomfortable talking at
22:50
her house. She told you she wanted to do it
22:52
somewhere else. Answer no, we just I wanted to go
22:56
over the documents that I didn't have with me with her.
22:59
Bellhoe Like, okay answer at the Then he's cut off
23:03
again by Bellohovlck. So when did she come to the
23:06
police department? Answer that same day, Bellahovlck. What did Ridakta
23:10
tell you? Answer? During sworn tape statement, she stated that
23:14
she became in contact with mister Jeffrey Epstein when she
23:17
was seventeen, when she was approached by a friend with
23:20
an opportunity to make money. She was taken to Epstein's residence.
23:24
She was told that she would have to provide a
23:26
massage and she'd make two hundred bucks. She was taken
23:29
to the house. She was introduced to his Epstein's assistant
23:33
by the name of Sarah. Sarah then would escort her
23:36
upstairs prepare the room for the massage by putting out
23:39
the ointments and the different oils. Mister Epstein came into
23:43
the room. He demanded she remove her clothing. She did so.
23:46
She started giving the massage, rubbing his back, his calves,
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his thighs. He turned onto his back asked her to
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rub his chest. As he did so, he tried to
23:55
touch her, touch her buttox. She pulled away. She said,
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I'm uncomfortable with you touching me. I'll give you the massage,
24:02
but I'm uncomfortable with you touching me. It was at
24:06
which time he said, I know you're uncomfortable. If you
24:09
bring me girls, I will pay you to bring me
24:11
the girls. Bellehove Lic. So he didn't make her do
24:14
anything she was uncomfortable with. Answer right, bellehove Lic, Okay,
24:19
How did she indicate that she first met anybody that
24:22
knew Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? She was approached by one of
24:25
her friends and redacted by the name of redacted unknown
24:28
last name. I was never. He's interrupted here by Bellehovlc.
24:32
You never, then he interrupts her, able to identify Bellohovelc
24:36
then says determined. Then he responds who redacted was who
24:40
actually took her to Ebstein's house and introduced her into
24:43
the household. Bellehovec Okay, you were able to determine the
24:47
approximate date when she met this redacted who took her
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to Ebstein's house? Answer? Sometime when she turned seventeen? She
24:54
told me, bellehove lic Okay, so she was seventeen when
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she first went there. Answer mm hmm BELLOHOVLC all right.
25:02
When he talked to her about bringing other girls to
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him since she's uncomfortable, what was her response to him? Answer?
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She agreed to bring other girls to him, and he
25:10
told her the younger the better. All right. We're going
25:13
to wrap up this episode here and in the next episode,
25:15
we're going to pick up where we left off. All
25:18
of the information that goes with this episode can be
25:21
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
25:25
back to the Epstein Chronicles. This episode, we're picking right
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up where we left off with the Grand Jerry documents
25:32
from Palm Beach. She brought a twenty three year old
25:35
to massageum and he told her that she was too
25:38
old and he wanted someone younger. Knowing that she went
25:41
to redacted school. He recommended that she ask her friends.
25:45
During the statement, she gave me approximately six names that
25:48
she can remember that she took to the house that
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all went to redacted school, Bellahovlick. Who did redact to
25:54
tell you she took to the house? Answer onm redacted, redacted,
25:58
redacted or redacted redacted? Redacted and the fourteen year old
26:02
victim redacted? Bellehovlk redacted. Okay, did you ask redacted if
26:07
she told these people what to expect when she took
26:09
them to Jeffrey Epstein's house. Answer, she explained that all
26:14
the girls knew what was to be expected. The more
26:16
you did, the more money you made. She explained that
26:19
there was going to be a massage or some possible touching,
26:22
and you would have to provide the massage, either topless
26:25
or naked. Bellehove Lic and she told you that she
26:29
told redacted that Answer? She said that she told all
26:32
the girls that bellohove Lic. Okay, during your conversation with redacted,
26:37
did she refer to herself as somebody famous? Answer? On
26:41
the ride back to her house, she stated that when
26:44
she was she was like Heidi Flies, the Hollywood Madam
26:47
that provided girls to clients. Bellehove Lic did redacted you
26:51
may have told me this all earlier, and I apologize
26:54
if I didn't hear it. Did redacted undressed when she
26:57
provided the massage? Answer yes, the massage naked under the
27:01
direction of she he's interrupted here by Bellohovlc, not just
27:05
down to her underwear? Answer no, I believe it was naked,
27:09
Bellehovelc okay. Did was there any indication of a vibrator
27:14
like redacted describe with redacted? Answer no, but she was
27:17
aware of the vibrator Bellehovlc from redacted answer vibrator slash
27:22
massager Bellhovlc okay, was redacted paid money? Did she tell
27:26
you for bringing these other girls? Answer yes, bellehove Lic.
27:31
How much? Answer she was paid? Approximately two hundred for
27:34
every girl she brought bellehove Lik. Just one time per
27:38
girl or every time she brought a girl? Did she
27:40
get another two hundred? Answer? Every time she brought a girl,
27:44
she got two hundred, bellehove Lic, even if it was
27:47
the same girl over and over? Answer correct, bellhove Lic. Okay,
27:51
all right, you found the card that says for a
27:53
good time call redacted? You were able to identify her
27:56
as redacted. Answer correct, bellohovec. Did you you get a
28:00
statement from redacted? Answer? Yes, I did. At that time
28:04
redacted was already attending college. She had started redacted. She
28:08
stated that nothing inappropriate had occurred originally and then explained
28:12
that you know he had Epstein had tried to touch
28:15
her on several occasions. Bellahove lic did she change her
28:18
statement at some point to you? Answer? Well, originally she
28:21
started off saying that nothing had nothing inappropriate had occurred.
28:25
Further questioning she had changed that there was additional things
28:28
that that had happened. Bellahove Lick. Okay, what did she
28:32
say the additional things were that happened? Answer? There was
28:36
attempt at touching. He cressed her buttocks, cheeks all the
28:39
while he had. He had introduced the vibrator, but did
28:42
not She did not allow a vibrator to be used
28:45
on her. She described the vibrator having a huge head
28:48
on the tip of the vibrator white in color. Bellahove Lick, Now,
28:52
was this it progressed in the first time she was
28:55
there to just massage the touching to vibrator or were
28:58
there numerous times she went to his house. Answer numerous
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times that she went to his house. This all progressed
29:04
is more times she came to the house, more things
29:06
started to occur. Bellehove Lic. How many times did she
29:10
go to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer off the top of
29:13
my head, I she stated that she had been there
29:15
many times. Bellhovlc. All right, The last known time that
29:19
she told you was about when? Answer was in October.
29:23
The last time mister Epstein was in town October third
29:26
or fourth of two thousand and five. Bellehove Lic, Okay,
29:30
do you know any of the other girls that say
29:32
they went to his house after two thousand and five?
29:35
Answer no, I don't believe mister Epstein has been back.
29:38
He learned of the investigation in October. Bellhove Lic. Okay,
29:42
was she paid by Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, Bellhovec. Do
29:46
you know how much she was paid? Answer? She was
29:48
paid between two hundred and three hundred Bellhovec each time.
29:52
Answer each time that she went, Bellhovec. Did she get
29:56
any other compensation other than money from him? Answer? She
29:59
also recive if a rental car. Bellohove Lic. Okay, were
30:02
you able to confirm through the rental car that it
30:05
was rented by mister Epstein or someone in his employee.
30:09
Answer rented by it was rented by mister his houseman,
30:12
Janice Benassik, and the credit card of mister Epstein. Bellhove Lic. Okay,
30:17
were you able to get a statement from the person
30:19
you identified as redacted? Answer? That's correct, BELLOHOVELC. When did
30:24
that occur? Answer? On October tenth, I had made phone
30:29
contact with her. She was up in redacted, Florida, and
30:32
I had explained to her that I was conducting this investigation.
30:35
Mister redacted began to cry. Explained that she had been
30:38
to the house hundreds of times, started going at the
30:40
age of sixteen when she was still attending redacted school,
30:43
where she was offered to two hundred dollars for thirty
30:46
minutes of work. BELLOHOVELC. How she introduced to him? Answer?
30:51
She was taken to him by a friend of hers
30:53
who also had gone to redacted school redacted redacted, Bellhovelc. Okay. Answer,
30:58
she was taken to the house. She would have to
31:00
perform this massage naked, BELLOHOVEC. She knew that before she went.
31:06
Answer that was explained to her by redacted. Bellhovlk Okay,
31:10
what did she describe about the first visit to Jeffrey
31:12
Epstein's house. Answer? She recalled that the appointment was set
31:16
up for that same day. They contacted mister Epstein's assistant,
31:20
Sarah later identified as Sarah Kellen, where the appointment was made.
31:25
She was taken. She remembered it was on the weekends
31:27
because she only worked on the weekends and she was
31:30
still going to high school. She was taken upstairs to
31:32
the master bedroom. She could observe in the spiral staircase
31:36
up to the bedroom area where there were photographs of
31:39
naked women throughout the house. Bellehove Lic adult women Answer,
31:44
I believe so, bellhov Lic, Okay. She goes upstairs. What
31:48
happens upstairs? Answer? She's taken into the room. The room
31:51
is set up, The massage tables are set up, ointments
31:54
are put out by Sarah Kellen. Epstein enters the room
31:57
and introduces himself to her. He lays on the massage
32:00
table and ask her to get comfortable. She stated that
32:03
she couldn't remember if she provided the massage naked, but
32:07
knows that she removed she had I'm sorry she had
32:10
rubbed his legs, thighsand feet. All During this time, Epstein
32:13
turned on his back so that he could rub his chest,
32:16
and he started to masturbate. Bellhove Lic. Okay. Answer, which
32:21
was another thing one of the other girls. Every time
32:24
there was a massage, Epstein would masturbate himself, bellahove Lic.
32:28
Was she able to see his penis or was it
32:30
under the towel he had come out? In answer? He
32:34
had exposed his penis to her, removed the towel which
32:37
made it visible. Bellahove Lic. How long did this go on? Answer?
32:41
She had been to his house over in a two
32:42
year period that she stated hundreds of times. Bellhove Lic,
32:46
I meant the masturbation. Answer, Oh, it was for several minutes,
32:51
bellohove Lic. Okay. Did he touch her at all that
32:54
first time? Answer? I believe he did use the vibrator
32:58
on her. If I recall, Belahoe, I'm going to direct
33:01
you to page thirty nine, second full paragraph halfway down. Okay, Bellhovic,
33:07
I believe your report says Epstein touched her breast. Answer yes, Bellhovic. Okay,
33:12
So at that point he touched her breast? Do you recall?
33:15
Answer right? Bellhovec. If the vibrator used that first time
33:20
or if it was just the touching answer yes, Bellhovelek
33:24
of her breast answer no, he did touch her breast
33:28
as he masturbated Bellhovec. Was she paid money for the visit?
33:31
Answer two hundred dollars Bellhovec. Did she go back to
33:35
his house? Answer? Yes she did, Bellhovik, And I guess
33:39
you've told us for about two years she went back.
33:42
Is that a yes? Answer yes correct, Bellhovelc. She estimates
33:46
over one hundred times. Answer yes she does. Bellhovec. Did
33:50
the situation with redacted progress? Answer it did during the
33:54
timeframe that she was attending there over the two year period.
33:58
She stated that every time she went there, it didn't
34:00
have to be involving the massage or any kind of
34:02
sexual encounter. At times she would go, she would end
34:05
up just having dinner or talking with Epstein. At one point,
34:08
Epstein introduced his other assistant, Nadia Marsenkova. She explained that
34:13
he had bought her from Yugoslavia to the United States
34:16
to be a sex slave. Bellohovik, were you able to
34:19
confirm that answer? I know that she is here on
34:21
a visa, a modeling visa. BELLOHOVLK. You don't know the
34:25
purpose she's here other than that you were able to
34:27
contact and confirm the visa. Answer yes, bellohovlk okay. Answer,
34:32
she's here for a visa, BELLOHOVEC. What did redacted describe
34:36
as the progression of sex acts? Answer? He introduced Nadia
34:41
into their routine BELLAHOVLK. So it became a threesome at
34:44
some point? Answer right, bellohovlk okay. Answer. He had asked
34:49
redacted to perform oral sex on Nadia. Redacted originally had refused.
34:53
He enticed her by giving her additional monies to perform
34:56
this act for five minutes. Bellohovec. How much additional mone? Answer?
35:01
Two hundred two hundred dollars extra, bellehovelc. And then she agreed.
35:05
Answer at which point she agreed bellehovek okay. Was it
35:09
always just the masturbating in front of redacted and sex
35:12
acts with Nadia or were their additional sex acts with
35:15
Jeff Epstein. Answer? It was explained that at one point
35:20
towards the end, prior to redacted turning eighteen or just
35:23
after it was, it had been previously spoken that there
35:26
would be no vaginal penetration by mister Epstein. She had
35:30
stated that mister Epstein had a deformed penis and did
35:33
not want to have any kind of intercourse with them.
35:35
It was after one of the where they had purchased
35:38
sex toys. They introduced the sex toys with Nadia and
35:41
redacted as Epstein would watch and masturbate on At one
35:46
point he rap redacted and placed her head onto his
35:48
lap on the massage table and inserted his penis into
35:52
her regina. Bellehovelk Okay. You said they introduced sex toys.
35:57
Purchase sex toys. Who purchased the sex toys? Answer Nadia
36:02
Bellohovlk was redacted with her when they were purchased. Answer
36:06
it is yes, bellehovlk Okay. Answer it was for Epstein's
36:10
Bellehovlk interrupts, so redacted and Nadia went to purchase the
36:14
sex toys. Answer for Epstein's birthday, correct, bellhovelk Okay. And
36:19
during that time that he penetrated her vagina, she was
36:22
either seventeen or eighteen. You're not clear which answer right,
36:26
bellehovec Okay. Answer it was This was towards the end,
36:30
because after that she stopped going to his residence, his house. Bellohovelc,
36:35
how many, okay, one hundred times did she indicate how
36:38
much money she made during this two year period that
36:40
she was going to see them? Answer? Well, she received
36:43
between two hundred and one thousand dollars Bellehovelc each time?
36:48
Answer each time that she went. The day that he
36:51
forcibly entered himself into her, he paid her one thousand dollars. Also,
36:55
she had received a rental car from Dollar Rental Car,
36:57
a blue Dodge Neon that the previous house had rented
37:00
for her. Bellehovek. Did she ever make a report of
37:03
sexual battery after what she told you about him inserting
37:07
his penis inside of her? Answer? What do you mean
37:10
sexual battery? Bellehove Lik? Did she at the time that
37:13
he forced his penis inside of her? You said? Answer? Oh,
37:17
at that then he's interrupted by Bellehovec. Did she make
37:21
then she's interrupted by him the day that it had occurred, No, Bellehovec.
37:26
Did she make did she call and say he interrupts
37:29
bellehovlic here No? The day it occurred? No, she did
37:32
not Bellehovec that day she took one thousand dollars. Let's
37:36
say it's only two hundred for one hundred times she's
37:39
we're talking about a lot of money she's got at
37:41
a minimum plus a car. Is that a yes? Answer yes, Bellehovlk. Okay,
37:46
did you ask her what she did with all that money? Answer?
37:50
I did ask her, and she didn't want to tell me. Bellehovelk.
37:53
Whatd she say? Answer? She said that that was too personal. Bellehovik,
37:58
after you just described all these sex acts to you? Okay,
38:01
did you interview somebody named redacted? Answer? Yes, I did, Bellehovlik?
38:07
Who is redacted? Answer on Bellhovlk, page fifty one? Answer,
38:12
thank you? Okay. November fourth, she provided a sworn statement
38:16
that she had been taken to Epstein's house by the
38:18
redacted friend from redacted school Bellohovlk. This is the same
38:22
person that took redacted answer correct, Bellehovlk. Okay. Answer. She
38:28
was told as well that she would have to provide
38:30
the massage and would be paid three hundred for the massage. Bellhovlk.
38:34
How old was she at the time? Answer is seventeen?
38:37
I believe bellhovek okay. What did she describe happening when
38:41
she went there the first time? Answer? She was taken
38:44
to the house and introduced Apstein's assistant pretty much then
38:48
she he's interrupted here by bellohovlk. Which one Nadia or Sarah?
38:53
Answer is Sarah bellhovlk okay. Answer It was pretty much
38:58
consistent with all the girls. They would be introduced to
39:00
the assistant, who would then lead her upstairs and prepare
39:03
the room for the massage. In the master bathroom area.
39:07
She would lay put a blanket over the massage tables
39:10
and provide the ointments that mister Epstein would like to
39:12
have used. She rubbed his calves in his back area
39:16
and was paid three hundred dollars for his services. Bellohovlk.
39:20
Was that a one time thing with redacted? Or did
39:23
she go back? Answer? She stated she had gone back
39:26
four or five times. Bellohovelec similar acts each time she
39:29
went back. Answer correct, bellohovelec similar amounts of money each time.
39:34
Answer it started to escalate. I mean each time that
39:37
she went further things started to happen. It was the
39:41
same money as though provided bellhovelek okay. So the sex
39:44
acts became more involved. Answer correct, All right, we're gonna
39:49
wrap up this episode here and in the next episode
39:51
dealing with the topic, we'll pick up where we left off.
39:55
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39:57
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