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A Conversation with Aaron Clancy · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth. Hello, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the Almost of His podcast. Today is a
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  Speaker 1: very special edition because we have Aaron on Aaron Clancy
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  Speaker 1: to discuss this time in Paradise and all the rumors
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  Speaker 1: that are going around via reality Steve so Um, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to do the honors of bringing Aaron
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  Speaker 1: into the room. I would love to Aaron. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. Thank you for having me. Aaron,
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  Speaker 1: you're here today. You've been pretty quiet since Paradise. Is
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  Speaker 1: this your first interview? This is yeah, this is my
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  Speaker 1: first interview since Paradise. Well, the elephant in the room
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  Speaker 1: is obviously that Genevieve was just on UM last week,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, our theme, especially coming off a Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of wild storylines, uh, coming post
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  Speaker 1: Paradise ice that we didn't necessarily get to watch during
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  Speaker 1: Paradise has been this Aaron. Just let you know, Ah,
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  Speaker 1: there's always three versions of the truth. There's my truth,
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  Speaker 1: there's your truth, and then there's the truth. And so
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  Speaker 1: our goal, uh is just to hear your story, to
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  Speaker 1: hear um and to also ask you some of the
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  Speaker 1: questions that were obviously brought up during the interview with Genevieve,
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  Speaker 1: and then some of the questions have been brought up
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  Speaker 1: post show from Reality Steve and other UM networks. Those
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  Speaker 1: things need to be confronted or they just sit out
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  Speaker 1: there and people assume their own things. And so thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us, Thanks for letting this be your first interview. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that's why I'm here definitely to uh to
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, share my share my truth here
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  Speaker 1: for sure. Should we just start with Paradise for a sect,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I, um, yeah, let's let's talk about the moment,
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  Speaker 1: the the itch versus moments, because that was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that was a big fight that kind of led to
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  Speaker 1: the end. Right, We've looked it up, Aaron and An
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  Speaker 1: apparently is not pained, So so okay, yes, and I
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  Speaker 1: looked it up like six months ago, right as well. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so all the people bombarding me via social media like
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  Speaker 1: I know, okay, I was wrong, I I So that's
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  Speaker 1: something I learned in school. Now the thing is behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, obviously, there's a lot of interactions people don't see. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm allergic to bug bites, like mosquito bites. I got
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  Speaker 1: bit by a spider. Um, my legs swelled up. I
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  Speaker 1: was on antibiotics and I was also pad on paradise. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was taking a la sick medication to
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  Speaker 1: like drain my ankle. It's like a water pill. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So I was seeing the doctor every day and I
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  Speaker 1: was itching incredibly right, and then I just my mind
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  Speaker 1: was on that because it was it was to the
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  Speaker 1: point where it was so it was itching so much
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  Speaker 1: was painful. I remembered back, Okay, now we have more context,
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  Speaker 1: well my earlier days in school. Um and and uh
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  Speaker 1: I brought that up seemingly super random obviously archaic research
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  Speaker 1: at this point, but um, but you know that's why. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: so it wasn't the best mood. I was hobbling around
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  Speaker 1: on a on a one good leg. But um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I regret the whole thing. Obviously. It was just so dumb. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Paradise seems like the worst place for you,
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  Speaker 1: and you've done it twice now, right, it does not
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  Speaker 1: seem like a very good place for me now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But bugs everywhere, I mean, all actually talks about when
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  Speaker 1: we get into the nitty gritty of Paradise is the
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  Speaker 1: bugs flying around the creatures that exist in your bed,
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  Speaker 1: you go down there allergic to this, It makes sense
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  Speaker 1: now that you got what kind of bug bite was it? Dude?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, Um they So the first bug
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  Speaker 1: bite I got was on my leg and it got
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  Speaker 1: so big it was like as big as a tennis
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  Speaker 1: ball around and it was black, and then my whole
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  Speaker 1: leg swung up though. Yeah, so the doctor was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is a spider. And they were actually worried about
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  Speaker 1: it because the center of it got really like soft
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  Speaker 1: and like just disgusting. So they were like, yo, if
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  Speaker 1: this was like a really dangerous spider and your flesh
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  Speaker 1: is going to chrotic, you gotta, you know, leave right
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  Speaker 1: and so um they put me on a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: antibiotics kind of right away, and and and and it helps.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I didn't leave. But I grew up
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  Speaker 1: in southern California. There's not a lot of bugs, so
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know I was allergic till my first time
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  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Man. That see, context is important here. So
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  Speaker 1: you were experiencing pain from a bite. It just isn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily defined by the itching is pain. But you were
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  Speaker 1: experiencing pain from a bite from an itch. Yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: like like thirteen bites at that point. Yeah, because I
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  Speaker 1: have Type O positive blood and like I run super
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  Speaker 1: hot at night, so apparently I was just you could
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  Speaker 1: like Johnny was my bed, my bunk mate, so I
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  Speaker 1: would I would absolutely cut myself in bug spright before
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  Speaker 1: I went to sleep, plus the sweat. So I'm glucky
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  Speaker 1: I didn't break out in a bunch of acting. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was disgusting just every once in a while when
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  Speaker 1: I hear these stories, I'm like, I was so glad
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  Speaker 1: that they asked me to lead this show for a season,
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  Speaker 1: so I never well, I guess that doesn't always discount
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  Speaker 1: somebody from going on, but I'm just glad that that
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  Speaker 1: never existed for me because I would not have done well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom's from the Caribbean too, which is uh,
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  Speaker 1: turned out to Bago a bunch of bugs out there. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so you wouldn't think you would think I'd be resistant
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  Speaker 1: or something penetically, but but no, it's I can't handle
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  Speaker 1: spicy food. I got that from my dad and apparently
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  Speaker 1: allergic to mosquito bites, so not built for it. Goodness,
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  Speaker 1: just what a start to the podcast, I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: learning new things every day about you, Aaron. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I felt like I was maybe silly bringing up
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  Speaker 1: that argument first, and we have like a lot more
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  Speaker 1: serire these things. I was like, you know what, this
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  Speaker 1: will be fun everything, so I have I don't react
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  Speaker 1: the best. Sometimes my behavior can be up and down,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm always honest, so I'll tell you what you
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  Speaker 1: want to hear. Okay, well, let's talk about just your
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  Speaker 1: relationship in general. Genevieve in Paradise was tumultuous, was always
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  Speaker 1: up and down. Why did you stick it through till
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  Speaker 1: the end, Because I'll just say it, when you come
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  Speaker 1: out and you hear that you've had girls back at
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  Speaker 1: home and then you you kind of have this up
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  Speaker 1: and down, not so fun relationship with Genevieve. It looks
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  Speaker 1: to an outsider as if maybe you were hanging around
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  Speaker 1: just to the very last day so that you could
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  Speaker 1: get as much screen time as possible instead of just
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  Speaker 1: breaking up with her when it was bad, or you
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  Speaker 1: guys breaking up in general. I guess when it's bad,
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  Speaker 1: but I get how it can look like that. Like
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  Speaker 1: and that's why I went on this podcast, because I
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  Speaker 1: see things like that on the internet and it's just
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  Speaker 1: simply not the case. Like realistically, Genevieve and I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we connected on a lot of levels and and I
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  Speaker 1: know they show the ups and downs and and people
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  Speaker 1: kind of focus on the down, but we really had, um,
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  Speaker 1: this very strong connection. And and you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: you kinda when we're not focusing on the fights on
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  Speaker 1: the on camera, like you see little b roll clips
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  Speaker 1: of her sitting on me, we're kissing, We're always hanging out,
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  Speaker 1: like floating around the pool whatever. Um, And that's because
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  Speaker 1: of those real feelings now like essentially at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, Um, we didn't have any moral like
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  Speaker 1: issues like I wasn't pro choice, she was pro life
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  Speaker 1: or something. We didn't have any like, Um, there weren't
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  Speaker 1: any fundamental issues in our person that led us to
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  Speaker 1: those fights. They were always um like they were always
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  Speaker 1: miscommunication or or just um, you know, the beach can
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  Speaker 1: get the better sometimes, you know, and and it can
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  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, for her like she she like
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  Speaker 1: a you see it's hot like bug bites myself included, UM,
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  Speaker 1: we're just more irritable in general, and so we would
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  Speaker 1: I was, at least I can say I was, and
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  Speaker 1: so it would let leads to um like, uh, interactions
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  Speaker 1: that were just that we're dumb miscommunications and so in
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  Speaker 1: my experience, the best way to get over misscommunications is
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  Speaker 1: to get to know someone better, learn how to communicate
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  Speaker 1: with them better. And for me, that's like the one
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  Speaker 1: thing we don't have in Paradise, which is time. So
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  Speaker 1: for me it was like, okay, it's versus pain. That's
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  Speaker 1: not worth uh ending this relationship for so I want
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  Speaker 1: to fix this and then spend more time with her
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  Speaker 1: and try to learn how to communicate with her better.
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  Speaker 1: There's some very like i'd say, simple straightforward questions. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's the best way to get to you know,
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  Speaker 1: you explaining your side of the story, or you explaining
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  Speaker 1: the truth to the story, even if it's not pretty
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  Speaker 1: and good. UM. I just want to take two off
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  Speaker 1: the top here. One is, you know last year during Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: the big thing that you confronted this year during Paradise
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  Speaker 1: was that you were quick tempered, uh, that you get
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  Speaker 1: upset easily. That was something that was brought up I
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  Speaker 1: think once this year, but it was also maybe the
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  Speaker 1: biggest hit on you last year that you were working through.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming over the last twelve months before this season
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  Speaker 1: of Paradise, can you walk us through that journey? And
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  Speaker 1: do you still consider yourself quick tempered? Is it something
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  Speaker 1: that is a weakness of yours? And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: how are you dealing with that? Yeah? You know what?
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  Speaker 1: In real life, I don't get mad very often. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I'm someone that like will leave the room as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to UM a confrontation. Now I don't in Paradise. You
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  Speaker 1: don't really have that option. So I can get um,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't get riled up pretty pretty pretty easily. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So it you know, in these circumstances with her, like
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  Speaker 1: she you know, her and I both get riled up
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  Speaker 1: pretty easy. And and if you watched the season back,
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  Speaker 1: like there are times where she's emotionally very um like
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  Speaker 1: charged and and I've calmed it down and there and
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  Speaker 1: then there are emotionally there are times where I'm emotionally
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  Speaker 1: charged and and and then she gets emotionally charged because
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  Speaker 1: I'm mostly charged. But there's never really a moment where
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  Speaker 1: like I was upset and she calmed me down, because
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  Speaker 1: that was not really the dynamic we had and I
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  Speaker 1: really needed sometimes like an emotional safe space, and like
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  Speaker 1: what I would do in that scenario would be to
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  Speaker 1: leave and and try to Um, Like, once Justin came
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  Speaker 1: down and I and I got upset, I would want
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  Speaker 1: to leave and kind of deal with it myself, which
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  Speaker 1: which isn't the best way and in fact a bad way,
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  Speaker 1: because what I would end up doing is is kind
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  Speaker 1: of bottling it up. Um. And then and then I
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  Speaker 1: really seen paradise one. At one point I was brought
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  Speaker 1: to tears, um, and I was really sad, and the
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  Speaker 1: very next day I was very mad, right, so the
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  Speaker 1: matt the sad turned to mad really quick. I was
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  Speaker 1: bottling it up, um, and I just needed to be
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  Speaker 1: able to communicate in a more healthy way and not
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  Speaker 1: bottle up my emotions and just be able to communicate
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  Speaker 1: my concerns at the time. Yeah, So it was is all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was on me, like when I whenever
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  Speaker 1: I get like upset to I can be kind of condescending.
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  Speaker 1: I could be a dick, you know, And that's something
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  Speaker 1: I definitely need to change for sure. Um. And that's
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  Speaker 1: something you saw on screen. You said that you guys
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  Speaker 1: didn't really have any big like value or personality differences
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  Speaker 1: that made you clash. But I hear you saying this,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that maybe the fact that you guys
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  Speaker 1: both deal with frustration in similar ways, getting all riled up,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, perhaps was a big red flag that
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  Speaker 1: you as wouldn't be compatible long term. So why did
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  Speaker 1: it take so long for you to make that decision
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  Speaker 1: to split? You know what? UM, I'm honestly, I had
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  Speaker 1: never thought about it that way, not even until you
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  Speaker 1: just said that right now, UM, Like I had never
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  Speaker 1: once thought about that. In particular, it was always, UM,
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  Speaker 1: if if we learned how to communicate or speak to
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  Speaker 1: each other and we got out of this um, these
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  Speaker 1: these little little things that blew up like, we would
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  Speaker 1: be better. But I never thought about it that way
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  Speaker 1: until just now. So you were under the assumption that
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  Speaker 1: these arguments, um, disagreements would make you stronger as a couple.
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  Speaker 1: You would learn from each other from the way you reacted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean no, I was. I view that not the
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  Speaker 1: argument itself had a beneficial but but that it could
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  Speaker 1: have been avoided if we knew each other better. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like we spent some more time together, we
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  Speaker 1: we understood each other's love languages. Like realistically we have
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  Speaker 1: three weeks and UM worth throwing like you know how
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  Speaker 1: how it works, like you're the producer, study curveballs as
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  Speaker 1: much as many obstacles as you can as you can
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  Speaker 1: have and handle, and so UM realistically like I was,
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  Speaker 1: I was, I was hoping that UM, we would just
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  Speaker 1: be able to communicate better and things would get better
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  Speaker 1: towards the end. It's UH. Actually asked the question UM
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  Speaker 1: a few questions ago that UM is assuming the probably
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  Speaker 1: the heaviest topic thing coming off of the show for you,
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  Speaker 1: which was that you were dating somebody else coming on
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  Speaker 1: the show. I don't know if you've had a chance
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  Speaker 1: to listen to the Genevieve interview that we did UM,
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  Speaker 1: but UH, she spoke that it was actually two people
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  Speaker 1: that you were dating. Uh. One person, UM decided to
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  Speaker 1: not continue the relationship with you. The other person did
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  Speaker 1: UM when you went on the show, and it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a waiting game to see how the show
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  Speaker 1: went for you. You on if that relationship would continue.
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  Speaker 1: With that question being asked, I think we have to
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  Speaker 1: ask you were you dating somebody coming onto the show?
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  Speaker 1: Were you dating multiple people coming onto the show? No? No,
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  Speaker 1: So that so that's the main reason I went on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast is to address that that's just simply not
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  Speaker 1: true at all. Right, So, like I'll just walk you
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  Speaker 1: through the timeline. So essentially, like I was dating this
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  Speaker 1: last year. First off, I went on, I was dating
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  Speaker 1: two separate people, right, and one person in particular, the
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  Speaker 1: person that's releasing text messages are saying, um, certain things
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  Speaker 1: about me that that relationship ended. Um, that ended almost
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: a year ago, right, Um, a little bit less. But
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: but then and then, and then essentially I started dating
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  Speaker 1: someone else. Now the other person, Like I get where
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  Speaker 1: the anger comes in, and we and I have text
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  Speaker 1: messages and all sorts of stuff with this girl. But um,
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  Speaker 1: the other person, the the next person was one of
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  Speaker 1: my best friends for four years. Right, There's there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of history there. She had another boyfriend vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of our relationship. Um, it became romantic at the end,
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  Speaker 1: but we we really got along. So there was a
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  Speaker 1: there was a certain element of like, we can move
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  Speaker 1: quicker because we had so many so much history as friends. Right.
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  Speaker 1: The relationship ended the very next month. I was dating
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  Speaker 1: someone else. Right Now, that right there is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit close for comfort for anyone. I get it. But
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  Speaker 1: there was no cross over there now any sort of
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  Speaker 1: and and that girl, that previous girl like that that
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  Speaker 1: was upset by this me moving on so quickly. Um,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: because just just for clarity's sake, Yeah, this might be disrespectful,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's just just to not use the names.
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  Speaker 1: Can we say, like girl a girl? Yeah, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. So girl A UM was upset that I
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  Speaker 1: moved on so quickly to girl B. Right. Girl B
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  Speaker 1: was in my life for four plus years. Um, great
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  Speaker 1: friend mine. Right. I had a boyfriend, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: most of the relationship, but we were great friends. Now
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  Speaker 1: girl A um was upset by that me moving on
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  Speaker 1: so quickly, right, but she and she lashed out at
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  Speaker 1: me over it, right. Um. And and you know this
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  Speaker 1: is a little piece of anecdote evidence to what type
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  Speaker 1: of person this is, because I never want to speak
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  Speaker 1: ill on anyone. But I saw her at a bar
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  Speaker 1: and heard her friends. Uh, she started rumored that I
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  Speaker 1: was gay because I left with James, and they all
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  Speaker 1: screamed homophobic slurs at me in the bar, right, Um
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  Speaker 1: to bully me essentially, right, So I've moved you know, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: move on whatever. Now this girl, um, that girl be right,
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  Speaker 1: we're we're seeing each other. Um. But we're we're great friends,
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  Speaker 1: but we were not really like that compatible relationship wise,
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  Speaker 1: especially at that time. Um, so we we have blow out,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of blowout fights. We we don't talk for
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: months right now, Girl A um thinks we're just in
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  Speaker 1: a happy relationship the whole time, because she's not involved
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  Speaker 1: in our in my life whatsoever, or at least she
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  Speaker 1: or at least she that's what she says. So essentially,
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  Speaker 1: all those texts you see are her reaching out Girl
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  Speaker 1: AID to Girl B and saying that I was like
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  Speaker 1: seeing both of them simultaneously right now. That is something
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  Speaker 1: that played on girl bees in securities at the time,
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  Speaker 1: like etcetera. Um, they riled each other up in a conversation.
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  Speaker 1: You're seeing a little bits of that in the screenshots.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I essentially talked to girl Be again,
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  Speaker 1: I give her my phone. I'm like, hey, look at
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  Speaker 1: the look at the receipts right, look at all the
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  Speaker 1: text look at whatever. She sees that. Girl A is like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not over you. I wanna you know, I wanna
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  Speaker 1: I want to see you, blah blah blah, and sees
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  Speaker 1: that it was all kind of bullshit and the situation
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  Speaker 1: was resolved right, and it was resolved months ago, and
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  Speaker 1: and that was good enough for her. It should be
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  Speaker 1: good enough for everyone else because at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, there was no crossover. I was not dating
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  Speaker 1: multiple people. I was not in a committed relationship with
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: like either one of them at any point. Um. And realistically,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: going into Paradise with a girlfriend like that is something
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that like is is I want to say, a rookie
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: mistake because of like the people that do it. But
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: this is my second time on the beach, and the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: producers are my friends. Like they, like I told, going
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: into paradise, they call you, they're asking you who you've
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: been dating, are you single? Whatever? I listed out these
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: people's names. They know exactly who these people are. Um,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I'm best friends with producers as well, like they they
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: were they were aware of my dating history. Um, and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: they know exactly who these people are in the timeline.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: So that's why it's like not it's just it's just
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: not even realistic. Um. And it's and it's and it's upsetting.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So this this person, girl A who called me homophobic
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: slurs in the bar um took to reality Steve and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: essentially uh gave him like some sort of fake story
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to bully me online. Like the credibility of this person
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: is ridiculous and it's so vicious it actually makes me
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: sick to my stomach because like, the one thing I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: do is I don't lie to people. I don't play people.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: When I was younger, uh, late teens, very early twenties, like,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: there was a situation where I wasn't super honest in
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a relationship and I ended up hurting people I truly love,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and so I will never do that again. Um. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and this situation itself is just fabricated completely, and and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it's and it's quite upsetting. A little confused about the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: timeline because from what I believe, from what I've heard
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: from the sources and realities even all that there was
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the friend that you had for many years, she broke
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: up with her boyfriend, and then there was some sort
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of romance, but then there was also another girl involved
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: at the time, and you you just said that that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: really and ship had been over. Girl A. You're saying, girl,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I think you said that girl A was it's been
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: over for over a year. But from what I've heard,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it sounded like it was just about this time last
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: year that you started things with girl A and then
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: things started to sort of cool down in April, like
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a month and a half before Paradise. I get what
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: you're saying. So realistically, no, that timeline is shifted and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it's wrong. Um, there is blurred lines with if you
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: count like texting, like there was communication to its texting
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: with this person. Um. But like realistically, the relationship with
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: girl A started about September because she attended my birthday
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: see see yeah yeah, over over a year ago, right,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and then the relationship I don't remember exactly when I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: have to double check, but um, around January is when?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Is when that when that changed? Right? Now? There was
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: there was texting involved right that she was communicating I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: was in this girl, be I wasn't. It's not like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: immediately that girl's my girlfriend now like we're we're starting
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to hang out. You know that other girl screamed like
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: her friends bullied me in a bar, like I can't
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: get over that. Um, So I didn't want to see her.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I was quite angry, uh, and so but I would
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: text her back, right and I didn't feel any Um,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel guilty about texting her while I was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: seeing someone else because that to me is like I'm
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: not in a committed relationship, Like I can do whatever.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I can do whatever I want. Like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't texting her in that way. Um, it
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was more of like communicating because there were still leftover
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: feelings there, but there was never any there was, Like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the whole thing was I was super transparent with everyone.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So then you started with girl B. Yeah, it feels
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: weird to categorize them this way, but I don't even
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: know their names, so I guess it's easier for me.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But so then girl BE and you start kind of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: hanging out. You were friends, you start hanging out, the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: romance starts. Win, Um, it starts. So we take a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: trip to to Loom. The romance was there were there
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: were feelings there or like like there was the potential
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of feelings that we're always riding that line throughout our
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: whole friendship. So the romance like started like January. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: say that's when we really took or or or or
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: or one was the trip because there's pictures. One was
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: exactly what I'm addressing it. Um, I believe it was January.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And so then that relationship ended when Um, that dude,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that ended like we we had to blowout fight into loom,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like it was too much, too fast, like essentially, so
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: uh it was. It was. We didn't talk for a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: few months, like in March April, and then I was
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: asked back to Paradise essentially, and then I at dinner
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: with her and told her I was going to Paradise
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: on in May um and she was like, I'm fine
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: with that. So that's the thing too. If you look
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: at the screenshots, which is what like, I'm so annoyed by.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: But if you read them, it says I'm not dating Aaron.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: We're not I'm not his girlfriend, right, that's what girl?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Where does it say that? It says in the screenshots
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in the first article he posted. It literally says that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And then and this is from girl a girl. But
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: perhaps this was after you guys started cooling down. No,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: this was I mean, well this was when. So the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: text messages happened when I was in Paradise, Okay, yes, yeah,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so the text message happened when I was in Paradise.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: The girl girl A reached out and said like something
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: about us me seeing both of them at the same time.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And then the girl was like, I'm
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: not dating him, he's not my boyfriend, right, And then
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: reality Steve pivoted for me having a girlfriend's meet, playing
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: two girls at once. I'm just a piece of right, um,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: which which I get to salvage his story or whatever.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: But regardless, not neither one of those was true. The
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: first one is disproven by that text messages. The second
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: one is disproven by the fact of everything I just
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: said and the list out the timelines. I have my
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: own receipts for everything too, and like I don't. I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: don't like to share text messages without consent of both parties,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and to me, it's just like lighting more of a fire.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But realistically, neither one of those things was true. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: then when was the last time you saw a girl
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: A in person? Literally like like, um, oh, I actually
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: did see her at a festival. She's she's dated two
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: people since and she had a boyfriend and I saw
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: he at a festival like walked by, but that was
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in um, that was after that was realist um a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: few months ago. Let me like at the straight So
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it sounds like girl A maybe wasn't in a relationship
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with you while you went into Paradise, So she's not
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: so much annoyed at the fact that you went to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Paradise as much as it was like you were dating
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: somebody at the same time, and it wasn't dating someone
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: at the same time, but what she was. But that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: what she said. Yes, she was. She was mad because
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: she wasn't over it and I moved on and she
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: what she did was essentially just lash out of me.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: What brought on the breakup conversation that you had with
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: girl A, I, Well, I said it like essentially, there
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: was a few things, but she's young, she's twenty three, right, Um,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and the main issue I had was when she didn't
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: get something she wanted or we had a disagreement. What
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: she did was she she started rumor I was gay,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and she bullied me in a in a bar like
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like she was screaming like they was screaming that I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was a homophobic slayers like that's not something that's acceptable.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: UM's specially because she apologized to me. I would use
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a long apology text too, because it was something that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: was just like literally a rumor she started because she
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: was upset with me. So you had an ending conversation, Um, yeah, yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: we definitely did. We. I literally have screenshots with that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: as well. I have everything in my computer. You should
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: send us the screenshots. I don't. Yeah, I can send you. Yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: let's not. I don't need to get involved in. You
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: can send Ashley like I can send. I know, I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: know you're you're playing Devil's Advocate a little bit here.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I can send you screenshots, but I just don't want
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: them like out necessarily. Well I won't. I won't put
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: them out there, but I would like to see for
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: proof for myself actually loves this. Well. Um, okay, so
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the timeline makes sense to me what you're telling us.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Just to recap it for everybody listening, you were dating
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: um girl A. Uh that ended Uh let's say close
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: in January. You and girl B had already been friends.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: You guys start romantically like being interested in each other
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: following that relationship with the girl A. That girl relationship
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: with a girl A just to confirm had been over.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It's done. You removed this. There was no crossover. You're
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: saying there was no crossover now and also, uh, like again,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: no crossover just because I wanted to avoid bad negative feelings,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: but realistically I wasn't we were never in a relationship
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: as well with anyone. I was never in a relationship
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: with anyone. It's it's just like, how do you define
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a relate? How do you define a relationship? Like do
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you like to have the conversation like we're girlfriend and boyfriend? Yes,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and also um, like there has to be communication about
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: um where we are like, so yes, I would like
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to have the conversation. But also there is always a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: conversation about if we're seeing other people who were like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: communicating with etcetera. This girl a when we were seeing
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: each other, she went to a loom with um, a
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: whole group of of guys and girls. And I wasn't there.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And I wasn't even at her birthday dinner. I wasn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: invited by her friends. Like I'm we weren't We weren't
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: even far along at all. For like, it just doesn't
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't make It doesn't make sense. So Aaron
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: within all of this because the timeline doesn't make sense.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: You guys, girl be that relationship did not last long.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound um at all. Well, no, girl be, no,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: haven't you been seen with her recently at your birthday
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: party over the fall? So my birthday party was in September. Yes,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: so I um, I coming so coming back, Like I said,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: she's been my friend for four years. Um, she is
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: in the same friend group in a lot of respects.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Initially when I came back, she didn't want to talk
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to me because, um of the text messages you all
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: saw when you know I happened to see her because
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: we're all in the same friend group. Let me just say,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: in the text messages that are posted to Reality Steve,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: she says, um, like something along the lines of like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: oh I won't be talking to him when he returned
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it was
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, like at the end of the day, like
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it played on the insecurities that were already existing. Um,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so she she didn't essentially want to see me because
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it was just believed blindly. Um. And and then when
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I did see her, I've I realized how like what
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: was happening. I showed her my own receipts, and then
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it fixed the situation, Like the whole thing was manipulated
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to to destroy that relationship. And girl A was texting
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: me saying she's not over it, wants to see me.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Let's get coffee. And so it's like, realistically, she was
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: trying to destroy relationship with Girl B and then slide
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: in probably I don't know, but but the whole thing
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is just manipulation. And and then once that was seen,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the like we were cool again, you know. So where
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: does the relationship exist now with girl Be? Um? So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: that's really complicated. I'm not gonna lie. Um, and it's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: something I don't necessarily want to put out there in
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the public right now. Um, because there's been like she's
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: not on the show. I made a choice, even though
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't know exactly what the guy was doing, to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: put myself in the public eye by going on this show. Um,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: she didn't and this has been a huge violation of
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: her privacy already. UM, and I don't I don't want
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to continue that. And so what we can take from
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this is that, Um, Girl Be, I knew you were
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: going on the show. You guys had dinner. Uh, she
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: was okay with you going on Paradise. Um, you came
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: back from Paradise, she was really upset with you. Doesn't
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you. You guys have reconciled that,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and at least today you on speaking terms can we
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: say that is that fair? Yeah, I mean we're beyond
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: speaking terms. Where like we when we had dinner about
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: going to Paradise, she obviously want to hear that there
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: are feelings there, but we're friends and we're not. Like
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: there's a shelf life in this, in this whole thing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And uh, they wanted me on Paradise, you know, they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: try to sweeten the pot, you know, make it very
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: appealing for me to go. Um and and with her
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like there we were barely talking for again after a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: huge blowout fight for like like a couple of days.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Like that's not something like you can sacrifice the opportunity
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: for in my in my opinion, and she agreed with that. Um,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And then I went to give it a shot because
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: dating is very hard once you leave the show. I've found, um, like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: there's there's thousands of girls that message you or you
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: know that insecurity that can arise from people. You don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: ever know what people's true intentions are. So getting someone
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: in a in a relationship with someone that understands from
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that unique perspective and going on the show was like
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it was just so appealing to me, Like I really
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: really wanted to make it work with someone that was
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: in the same world, because I just felt like that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: would be that was the answer to finding someone to
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: have a long term relationship with. Well, you called Genevieve
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a friend. When you broke up with her, he said,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I see you was a really good friend and now
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you're I said, well, that's not exactly what I said.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: What I said was first and foremost, you're a great friend.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Because what I wanted to do was like she we
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: she's a she was a good girl. Like I viewed
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: her as a good person, and like, you can see
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: this girl's support people, Like, like, we didn't get along
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that well, but from a support perspective, she's amazing. She
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: was helping everyone out. You know, she's a great friend
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to people. And I didn't want her to I didn't
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: want it to be like negative, like like the bra cup.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be a negative thing. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: just felt like it had gotten to the very end
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and we still couldn't communicate, and so I wanted to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: address the things that I saw in her that I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: was really that that part of the reason why I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: loved her so much, because it was like she is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: kind and she's sweet, and she is a great friend
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: to people, and she supports myself included in a in
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of situations. So that's what I That's what
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I was saying. I feel like maybe you use the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: term friend sometimes with people who it's more than friends
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: with UM pretend I mean, potentially I can be guilty
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of that. I'm not gonna I don't necessarily have a situation. UM.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Well that I guess that would mean like they have
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: another label, right, I don't know, like what you would
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: what you would use it, what you would say. Then
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I guess I I use that as someone that UM
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is close to me in in some sort of like connection.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So possibly the girls did think that
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you were more than friends when you were well, they
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: knew we were more than friends. For sure, you were
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: more than friends, Like we were romantic, you know, Um,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: there was never a miscommunication there, um in terms of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: where we stood. It wasn't like I was calling one
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of friends. So I could like feel less guilty about
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: seeing someone else, like realistically we were romantic and then
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: we weren't at girlfriend boyfriend. We weren't committed at all.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: You know. She has dated multiple people since, Like she
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: went to tuloom with the guy while we were seeing
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: each other that she saw afterwards. Um, so you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: obviously I could have been something there, but that's not
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: something I was ever dwelling on because it was just
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: not where we were when you had dinner with girl,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: um be talking about how you were going to paradise
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and how she obviously was upset, Because yes, it does.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Even if you're not in a committed relationship. It's still
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: like hard but you're like crush you or like your
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: person with complicated feelings goes to paradise. I certainly had
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a moment with high school girlfriends when I was the bachelor,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: be like this is so odd, Like I don't think
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: it's like in ten years. Yeah, I totally understand that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we're finding some common ground. Yeah. Um, but
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: when when you had that conversation, was there like intention
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to possibly rekindle things when you got back. No, No,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: there wasn't like I've made up my decision, Like I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: just felt just since she was so close to me, Um,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I had to keep that communication open. I just thought
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it was inappropriate for her to find out with the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: rest of America, you know, or whatever. So I wanted to.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: There was no intention of rekindling. Um. There was the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: intention of purely just open communication so that she wouldn't
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: be super upset when she saw me on the beach. Aaron,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: there's one thing I have a massive problem with, sure,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And I just want to tell you because now, at
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the time, because we're virtually talking to each other this
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: whole thing, right, it's impossible to um understand the emotions
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and the feelings and how somebody felt about somebody and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: what they were still holding onto and not holding onto. Right,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: but giving your timeline, it makes sense to me, right
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that that there laying out according to what you told us.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That makes sense on how this all existed. But then
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: this story gets released, UM, I don't know if you're
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: still paradise was airing when it gets released. It's obviously
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: hurtful for you, it's hurtful for the two other girls
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: involved them, assuming maybe not for the one that released them, Um,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but it's especially hurtful for Genevieve, who gave you her heart.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You know where you're going, I know where you're gone, Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: go ahead. And she gave you her heart and she
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: believed in this. She was on the podcast there was
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: obviously deep feelings that she had for you, real feelings
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that she had for you. She believed this was a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: real thing and that she wanted it to be a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: real thing, and I would argue strongly that that is
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: how she felt. Um, so this gets done. And then
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: she tells us you haven't even spoken to her, like
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you didn't pick up the phone and or that you
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: didn't call her, You didn't text her, you didn't say, hey, Genevieve,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I know this stuff's out here. Can I explain myself?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Can we meet up? Can I see you? Can I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: try to calm the storm, not for my own to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: save face, but for your heart and for your mind.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And so you haven't done that, and I don't know why.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: So I'll stop you right here. I did. I did
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: do that. Actually, I'll send you the text. I that
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: she's the keeper of the text. That's fair. You're saying
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that you texted her after the show. No, yes, I did,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and I said I heard that you heard enough. She
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: heard nothing from you until the union read. I'll read
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: exactly what I wrote her, and then I won't read
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: exactly what she told me back, because that's just I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: don't want that. Yeah, I need the date on this though,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is it so, Aaron? What Ashley saying is that she's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: in an understanding this happened after the reunion show, so
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that it didn't happen after okay. So but you didn't
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: talk to her for okay, you didn't talk to her
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: from there was there was no like we we had
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: left um and I didn't talk. I didn't. I wasn't
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: hoping to rekindle. Uh. So I didn't talk to her
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: until reunion, and then at reunion we were fine. Um.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Like the whole thing is I reached out to her
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: um because I wanted to I at first. So at
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: first what I was told was when this rumor got released,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the first thing that producers do is like they kind
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of reach out, and so they reached out essentially, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: they told me she didn't care about it, So I didn't.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't really care. But they did reach out after
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the reunion, so it was kind of too late for everything, right,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would I honestly wish this came out
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: before the reunion, like to certain degrees, so I could
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: like I have addressed it and not have have gone
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: through this whole process. Like the thing that like the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: truth will set you free, right and and like, at
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's completely d s and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: so I'm more than happy talking about at length with
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: anyone that wants to. Um, I do want to move
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: on with my life to a large extent, so I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to necessarily dwell on this. I don't want
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to shoot shots at anyone. Um. I get hurt people,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: hurt people. So I get a lot of what like
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: is coming from from her targeted at me could be
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just because she's upset with me, because she believes it, right,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I get that, And like I did want to give
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: her a call and talk about it one on one
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: versus social media or a podcast, right when she she
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: told me at the end of that text that she
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to listen to me on a call and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to talk to me. Right, unfortunate. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: did what I could. Um But so that's why I'm
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: going on this podcast to kind of set the record straight.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: But um but I did one reach out to her.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: But the angle but okay, but the angle there was,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, your upset with Genevieve for bad mouth in you.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: That's fair. Like, I don't like that. I don't want
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: anybody bad mouthing me. Actually knows how upset I get
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: when people say bad things. Yeah, I get, I get distraught,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I lose myself. Um, But the tone of even your
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: message to her, I would say, if we were buddies
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and we were sitting in the same room and you're like, hey,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I need a text, gene Vive, I need to explain
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: this to her, And I'm gonna say, Okay, what do
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you want to tell her? And you're like, this is
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the text I'm gonna send. I would have said no,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: because that's not the purpose. The purpose is that she
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: believes this story, and so of course she's gonna be her.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Of course she's going to be upset. It's it's it's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: if you want to really reach out to her. It's Genevieve,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I care about you. We broke up on a beach, um,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: but I know this is real to you. I know
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you leave this story. How can I like, how can
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I help make sense of this for you? And not, Hey,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: stop badmouthing me. Yeah, I mean you're super right. Like
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Like, I guess that
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: text was um A bit charged up because the reason
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I like, I was just I felt a little bit
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: blindsided by like some tweets she sent out um and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: and uh, and I got upset. I got hurt by that,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and because it was like I was told she didn't
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: necessarily care about it. To me, it was hard for
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: me to believe anyone actually believed it UM, because like
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: everyone is so into soft or hard launching relationships social media,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Like I had never had a relationship, and so I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: and I thought everyone would. It was just like stupid.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I just thought. I was like, this is like, no,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: there's no white people believe this. UM. But then when
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: she did that, I reached out because I was also
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: kind of upset because she didn't even um like like
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: like she knew me very well, like I'm not that guy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So it's like it was hard for me to believe
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that she wouldn't um like even even give me the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt a little bit. I don't know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I just got upset. Yeah, so you're upset that she
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was tweeting things, and you're like, you know me, why
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: do you, like, why are you out here to make
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this harder on me? And you de text out of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: reaction and not necessarily out of like a place of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: understanding the holistic side of the story. Yeah, especially because
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I get kind of like a little bit weird about
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: contestants bash and contestants online because she was getting quite
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a bit of hate at the beginning, and so and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I've gotten hate, and so I like, we're very familiar
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: with how bad that feels. So I was very like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: why would you consciously send hate towards someone knowing how
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: bad it feels, especially because I mean, if I deserved it,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: like that would be one thing, it would be much
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: easier for me to try to like put my head down.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But like, realistically, after everything that has been and said
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to me and what what has been deemed as true
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: by people online, I don't deserve it, and that's not true, right,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: So it just pissed me off. Do you think that
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: maybe she was like harboring feelings of annoyance towards you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: for a while because of the way that you broke
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: up with her? Was just like so like one side
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: of the abrupt Yeah, I think so. I mean, like
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I had heard, I didn't watch the podcast uh with
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: her with you guys, because it's kind of difficult for
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: me to watch these things, uh emotionally Uh. But essentially
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I heard that she regrets not leaving the second time,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and it was confusing for me because like, if that's
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the case, if she wanted to break up with me
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that day, um, like why did she Why did she
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: care that we were finally on the same page on
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: breakup day? Right? UM? I guess it was unless unless
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: her mindset completely shifted in those three days after its
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: versus pain um or or she wanted to do it
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: kind of more on her terms. I don't know why
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: she was so upset by it, because she she told
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: she told everyone she wanted to break up with me earlier. Um,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So realistically, I mean, if I was to go back,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I would I would, let you know, let her leave
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: on or let her break up with me, like I
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, like that the result then result was the same.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why she was so annoyed with me
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: unless she wanted to do it and not me, or
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: she viewed it as that I was trying to kind
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: of list out what I had issues with in like
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a in like a way that wasn't attacking, so that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: we can create like an open dialogue, have that conversation,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: leave on good terms. Um. I was I was not
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: trying to attack. Um, And and I know it came
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: off that way or the way they edited too, is
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like she she didn't say anything at all, which is
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: she definitely said things. She said that she'd didn't say
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: anything on our product. Now, trust me, she definitely did.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That's not that's literally not how it went like. But regardless, um,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the end results Like at the end of the day,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I thought we were on the same page, and according
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: to the podcast she's been giving, we were. So I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: don't understand really, So when you when you just when
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: you went down to the beach knowing a breakup was happening, Um,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: did you have any idea? I mean, and and we
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just have to take Genevieve's word for what she's telling
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: us and telling others and so in her mind, like
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: she was potentially getting engaged to you, like this was
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: a real thing to her. Did you have any idea
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that that's how she was feeling? No? Literally none, I mean,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: like a couple of days earlier, she wanted to leave,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Like I like, looking back, Um, if if I was
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: if I proposed were like, should she have said yes
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: if she felt like that a couple of days earlier,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: like no, probably not. I was you know, I don't
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: want to get engaged and break up and be another
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: bachelor statistic, you know, Um so I I I don't know.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I just thought of the most plausible scenario that would
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: work out for us, and and like realistic, I mean, like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: obviously it would be nice to stay with her, like, um,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: it would be nice if everything fixed after Paradise. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: just didn't think that would happen, and so I wanted to,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: um voice my honest opinion to her. Essentially, we'll stop
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: grilling you soon, but I do have one more question
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: on my side. So I just want you to picture yourself.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: You're Genevieve, you got broken up with in Paradise, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: then you see and you were with this person for
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the majority of Paradise. You're sticking it out through a
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: lot of fights, but the the last day, the decision
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: making day, basically you are dumped. And then you see
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: months later, these exchange between two girls who basically it
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: looks like we're still involved with you, or at least
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: one was still involved with you when you went to Paradise.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: So don't you think that that, like, how would you
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: respond to that? I mean do you Yeah, just like
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: what what would your actions have been? Yeah, Like it's
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: it's something that I should have empathized with more. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: can't lie. Um, like when you listed out like that,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: or if if you don't even meet thinking about it
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: like that. Uh, it feels like if that's true, it's humiliating.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it feels like it's uh, um, you know
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you wasted a lot of time. Uh, you know, things
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that are the opposite of what anyone wants to feel. Right,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: You're basically like lied to the entire post. That's what
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it feels like. Yeah, like it was all fake. It
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: was all for show, like legit a show. Yeah, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: realistically like I'm not that good of an actor. Um,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: or I wouldn't have gotten fights so often. But UM,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like I get I can get where she's coming from completely. Um.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I just I you know, it's like it goes down to, um,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: we we both kind of have this issue where we
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: can be a little bit reactionary. Um. And you know
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna own that first and foremost for myself and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and at the reunion, you know, when we did talk
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and we did kind of um show each other in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that mutual respect that was she apologized for as well. Um,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: so at the end of the day, this is exactly
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: what that is. And I wish that I guess I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't so reactionary when I sent that text, you know. Um, uh,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: you know, thanks for for listening that out Ben as well.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: But um but uh, but like I wish she wasn't
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: so reactionary just believing it right away as well. So
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: because we I'm so confident, like if we were oh
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: been to having that conversation, this would never have been
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah. Well, Aaron, I know this isn't easy.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I know this isn't fun. I can imagine the last
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: few weeks or however long this has been going on. Um,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it's been exhausting. And uh, you know, like you said,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a fair wish everybody can
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: now move on with their lives. Um, move forward with
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: your life. Is there anything else that you'd want to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: tell our listeners that we didn't ask, that we didn't
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: touch on, um, that you'd want them to hear and
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: for others to hear. Um. You know, obviously this is
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: going to be spread out. People will hear this, they'll
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: see headlines of it. Um. What would you like people
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to know, um, moving forward for you, I guess, uh,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: A big thing, I know, I don't, I don't know.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of hard to put in the word.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: But a big thing is you know, you look at
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: my activity via social media, like I never tried to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: spread hate or attack right anyone ever, just not something idea,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: whether it's Twitter. Twitter's an evil place, you know, so
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: denly not Twitter or anything right, It's it's I do
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: want to focus on bringing positive kind of energy. And
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I know, um it's hard sometimes, but like when when
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: these when these rumors or or whatever are released, um,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: like they are a lot of times just rumors or
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: you know, there might be some truth to them. But
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the things that I've have people have been said, that
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: have said to me, um, like the last few weeks,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: you know. And and this even for Genevieve, is she
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: listening like like you know, you really don't want like
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that's to be said to anyone, right And and you
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: know whether she's you know, someone's mad at similar or not.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Like the like sending like hate these social media or
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: or or or texting someone or demning someone these these
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: crazy things like has has a huge effect on someone's
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: mental well being and at the end of the day,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: like she's a good person. Of confident that I am
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: as well. I'm confident that as well the things I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: have done. Um, I am confident that I was a
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: good man before Paradise, after Paradise. When I was on Paradise, Uh,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: there was miscommunications a lot of times, but I'm not
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: like this, this horrible villain, right, And it's just disturbing
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: when I see people, um like, not even just myself, Like,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: just spread this crazy hatred um towards contestants because they
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: are real people, you know, and at the end of
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the day and you never really know what's happening. So
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: just um yeah, just spread positivity. And if you don't
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Right,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: how would you feel if we invited Genevieve on this
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: podcast to talk to you m a zoom, I mean
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like like I'll be yeah, I'll be down. I mean
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I would rather do it in private, obviously. Um, I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: definitely don't want to get yelled at on on camera.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: You know it before you know, I know, I can
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: see the smiles, like you know, I'm just thinking about Paradise.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I just think about all the paradise scenes in my
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I mean like I want to.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm super open having a conversation. I want to.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I like to deal with things in private. You know.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not someone that's doing everything in the forefront
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: of of of you know, the public eye, and and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: posting on social media every two seconds about what I'm
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: doing in my life. So more private person as weird
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: as it is going on this show, but um, yeah,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I mean for sure, although I would rather I talk
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: in private and then this and then we can move
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: on with our lives. You know. That's that's that's that's fine.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Well hopefully you can feel that way after this podcast.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm just you know, playing, just haven't asked some
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: fun with the questions. It's funny because when this was happening,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: this is really my first kind of the most hate
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I've felt from from the fan base. And apparently I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: gave a lot of girls uh or women PTSD about
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: their past relationships in those arguments, So a lot of
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: projecting like run from Aaron, He's belongs in jail whatever,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: um which is which is? You know, apparently they know
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: me completely as a human being. But uh, but I
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: was asking advice from other contestants, et cetera. That I've
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: been through. There's not not you know, no one knowing crazy.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: But they were all just like, don't say anything at all.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Just like everyone almost unanimously was like, don't say anything.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: But it got to the point where I was like, dude,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have to say something, like like
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: getting repeatedly kind of bashed on social media, um by
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: something that's not factual, and people like might as well
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: take it as factual? Is is uh something it's really
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: hard to like, look at stomach. Yeah, both piece of
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: advice or good advice. You don't say anything. It always
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: sits there. You're always known for it. Now, the thing
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that the benefit of that is you can just like
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: kind of walk off into you know, the silence and
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: be forgotten. And but when somebody hears your name, they're like, yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Aaron's associated with this saying something. Um, You're not as
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: capable of walking off into the silence. But at least
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: now there is that, um, that team of people who
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  Speaker 1: will be like I heard this podcast and this is
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what he was saying happened, and now it's nuanced and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: it's complex and I don't know maybe what to believe,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: or maybe they know what to believe and they're confident
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  Speaker 1: in it. Both sides work. UM, but we're glad you
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: came on. So thank you for coming on, Aaron, Thank you,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: UM for sharing your side of this story. Um, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for playing along again. I know it's not always fun.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, and uh, I know it
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: would feel a lot easier just to not say anything,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: but sometimes we don't have that option. And Aaron, next time,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: you're always invited here and we'd love to play some
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  Speaker 1: fun games with you. It's a little rapid fire something
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  Speaker 1: like this, because I bet you it will never be
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: this serious again. I know I was gonna say Benna,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't met in person, but Ashley, when I met her,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: she was like a light on the beach. You're the sweetest.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I say before every episode I introduced actually,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and I say my amazing, beautiful co host Ashley because
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: she's always like, oh my gosh, Ben with the compliments.
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  Speaker 1: But I tell people on this podcast all the time,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I was like on TV, I kept saying, like this guy,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: he just loves fighting, like he's like I'm being angry,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I'm angry, and then I'm like, but in person, he's
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: so fun to get along with and joke with, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: you got a great sense of humor. Yeah, that was
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite things you said, was like, how
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I surprised you at my actual personality versus what was portrayed,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, I keep you not like, I'm
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: just like a goofy guy almost all the time. So
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's not always the easiest with pople think I'm
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: like raging, like the hulky you know. But well he
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: seemed to more hokey when you're on Katie season and
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: you've softened up through time. But I was always yeah,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: you're right, but it wasn't up. They just showed more.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I got it. I got it. All right. Well,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: this is our sign off. I've been Ashley, I've been
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: been I've been Aaron. There we go Bye. Followed the
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