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Craig Lindberg: The Magic's in the Makeup · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, my name's Christina Cleave, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: This episode is rated M.
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  Speaker 3: For missed interviews. Yes, that's right, this is a Misty episode,
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  Speaker 3: so it will be laced with profanity even more than usual.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not comfortable with this level of profanity, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: this isn't the episode for you. But we have many
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  Speaker 3: other episodes to choose from that do not feature Misty,
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  Speaker 3: and will probably be far less offensive. Okay, maybe. With
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  Speaker 3: that having been said, on with the show.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 1: Alright, we'll start with makeup.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna wax. Don't worry, we'll just lightly spackle.
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  Speaker 6: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Misty.
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  Speaker 6: And we're coming to you live, a digital recording from
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  Speaker 6: the outskirts of Wonderfest. For the millionth year in a row.
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  Speaker 1: How many years have I actually been coming?
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  Speaker 7: We play this game every year.
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  Speaker 6: You just need to do the map eventually. But I
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  Speaker 6: do know this is at least the 11th year we've
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  Speaker 6: done a live broadcast from Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 1: I do think this is my mom's 18th anniversary, so
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  Speaker 1: I think it's been that long that I've been coming here.
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  Speaker 6: Probably.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, we've definitely since, I mean, we were coming
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  Speaker 7: here for 20.
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  Speaker 6: Years, so. before that, so we've definitely been here every year.
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  Speaker 6: But on top of that, we've definitely done episodes from
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  Speaker 6: here every year that we've been doing this show, so
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  Speaker 6: this is at least 11 years of continuous Meltdown coverage.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Edward Lutz had been going on for
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  Speaker 1: 30 years. I've not been coming for 30 years.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely been more than, well, more than 20 for me.
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  Speaker 6: It's a long time. But, we are back once again.
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  Speaker 3: Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 6: So, How's it going, mister?
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  Speaker 1: It's going. I bought a mummy today. That's pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 6: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: It's in my car.
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  Speaker 6: That's all I bought.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to restrain myself from the purchases today.
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  Speaker 7: I don't even question it most of the time now
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  Speaker 7: because I know I just don't have any money to
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  Speaker 7: put towards anything. And even if I did, I don't
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  Speaker 7: have any place to put anything.
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  Speaker 6: So it just makes things a little easier to know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you don't need any stuff. You've got a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We saw a few costumes today, but that seems like
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of slacked off at this convention a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not as much of a thing.
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  Speaker 1: We did see one conglomeration of costumes that I can't
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  Speaker 1: even get into how many different genres were involved in
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  Speaker 1: the costume.
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  Speaker 7: That person doesn't count because they're not right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was like the Jack Sparrow hat and
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  Speaker 1: hair and then there was a phaser and there was
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  Speaker 1: some camouflage pants.
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  Speaker 6: He's just a special individual. And technically hasn't been involved
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  Speaker 6: in the show before because he interrupted us while we
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  Speaker 6: were doing it and we were interviewing a guest there
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  Speaker 6: one year and he's there yammering on and asking questions
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  Speaker 6: and i won't out the guests but they kind of
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  Speaker 6: yelled at him and told him to shut up so
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  Speaker 6: that was one of my favorite moments i was just.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to figure out all the things going on in
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  Speaker 1: the costume like are you just like going for everything
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  Speaker 1: you like all the things so you want to represent
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  Speaker 1: your bases you know apparently I think I saw a couple.
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  Speaker 1: I think I might have saw some Star Wars characters.
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  Speaker 1: I think I saw some Ghostbusters in there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there were definitely some Ghostbusters.
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  Speaker 1: We saw Chuck.
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  Speaker 7: Chuck was dressed as Chuck. He's always dressed as Chuck.
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  Speaker 7: We see him at most conventions we go to in
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  Speaker 7: this general vicinity.
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  Speaker 1: There's some questionable... I forget what I was questioning in
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  Speaker 1: there earlier. I was just like, ugh, what is that?
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  Speaker 1: And then I kept going. Might have been a shoe choice.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Probably. You have a lot of issues with shoe choices.
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  Speaker 1: There might have been some socks and sandals involved.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Definitely that guy on the street a minute ago at
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  Speaker 7: Sox and Sand.
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  Speaker 6: We already made fun of him for that.
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  Speaker 1: The rock star guy.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he thinks he's a rock star.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who think they're rock stars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a rock star.
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  Speaker 6: If you wear leather pants.
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  Speaker 1: Those were not, there was no way those were real leather.
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  Speaker 6: Well, no, because he can't afford real leather.
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  Speaker 7: But if you wear pleather pants and, you know, a
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  Speaker 7: weird hat and you have like, I don't know, what
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  Speaker 7: else did he have? He had some other crazy shit
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  Speaker 7: going on.
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  Speaker 1: There was all kinds of, there was a hot mess.
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  Speaker 1: I can't say anything. I used to have some pleather pants.
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  Speaker 1: I used to have some snakeskin pants that I never wore.
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  Speaker 1: That was my first credit card purchase when I turned 18.
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  Speaker 1: I got a credit card and I went and bought
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  Speaker 1: some leather. The pants were black pleather.
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  Speaker 6: I was about to say, the jacket was snakeskin. I
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  Speaker 6: might have picked it out for you. I was just like,
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  Speaker 6: this is the coolest thing ever. You definitely need this.
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  Speaker 1: That was from the Christina Aguilera line.
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  Speaker 6: That's why it was so sold. It was endorsed by
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  Speaker 6: Christina Aguilera. Obviously, it was cool.
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  Speaker 1: That was my first credit card purchase. It took me
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  Speaker 1: years to get that paid off.
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  Speaker 6: Look, now you're in so much debt, all thanks to Christina.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know? Aside from my house mortgage, I
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  Speaker 1: have zero credit debt. Thank you very much, fucking Dave Ramsey. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't learn shit from Dave Ramsey. I already have
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  Speaker 1: my shit under control. I'm a responsible adult. are you
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  Speaker 1: yes i am.
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  Speaker 6: I don't question the responsible part but.
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  Speaker 1: Adult i am adult aged technically that's true in the
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  Speaker 1: eyes of people.
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  Speaker 6: Mentally no but age-wise technically yes yeah so it's been
• 6:16
  Speaker 6: a little while what have you been up to as
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  Speaker 6: of recent.
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  Speaker 1: I went to the dentist that was pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 7: I mean in your dentist's case it is exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah He's not in jail, so that's good.
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  Speaker 6: I liked it earlier.
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  Speaker 7: You're just like, I called about my dentist, and he's
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  Speaker 7: not in jail, so I got to go to him.
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  Speaker 6: I was just like, not everybody gets to say that. Like, yay,
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  Speaker 6: my dentist is out of jail.
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  Speaker 1: I went to the book sale. They have a half-priced
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  Speaker 1: book sale. Well, this one wasn't. I drove to Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: mind you, to go look at cheap books.
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  Speaker 6: This is the level of nerdiness that we have here, guys.
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  Speaker 6: She drove to another city to buy books.
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  Speaker 1: I would be going to the one in Indianapolis, but
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  Speaker 1: it's next weekend, and I will be in, like, Las
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  Speaker 1: Vegas next weekend. And there are, surprisingly enough, no half-price
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  Speaker 1: bookstores that I'm aware of.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry to say, I'm sure you've checked.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I checked Amarillo, because we're going to be in Amarillo, too.
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  Speaker 1: There are no half-price bookstores near Amarillo, Texas. I did
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  Speaker 1: not check Las Vegas, because I figured our schedules were
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  Speaker 1: going to be kind of booked, because I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to see Penn & Teller again. Penn is one of
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  Speaker 1: those weird celebrity crushes that you just cannot understand. And
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  Speaker 1: nobody's going to understand. They're just going to look at
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  Speaker 1: you like, what?
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because he can juggle.
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  Speaker 6: That is magical.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It's not even just random, but something about
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  Speaker 1: Penn Jillette juggling, I don't know. It's mesmerizing. I could
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  Speaker 1: watch it. I like to hear them talk, which is
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  Speaker 1: why I want to make an attempt to listen to
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  Speaker 1: a podcast.
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  Speaker 6: For the first time ever.
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  Speaker 7: She's a regular on a podcast, but she's not keen
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  Speaker 7: to listening to them.
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  Speaker 6: And it wasn't just us. Normally, I just took offense
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  Speaker 6: that she disliked us, but she also doesn't listen to
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  Speaker 6: anything else.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I can listen to Pendulet talk. Because
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  Speaker 1: in my head, he's going to be juggling.
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  Speaker 7: He's the exception, so it would seem. But we'll test
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  Speaker 7: this out and get back to you, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Pendulet. delightful we went oh we did go somewhere
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  Speaker 1: where did we go um went to the it's been
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  Speaker 1: a while now i don't know if it's even worth
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  Speaker 1: talking about we went to the uh oddities and curiosities
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  Speaker 1: expo all right it's apparently it sets up at like
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  Speaker 1: different fairgrounds or whatever and they have uh it's there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of taxidermy so if that's your thing you
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  Speaker 1: will see more dead animals than you can shake a
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  Speaker 1: stick at. But according to most of their booths, they
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  Speaker 1: are either, like, roadkill or, like, died of natural causes.
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  Speaker 6: They just got to be really old. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's just sonic bottles of dead animals and, like,
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  Speaker 1: whatever floats your boat. I'm not really into that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing, but it's everywhere. And there was just... There's
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff from, like, like... Funeral homes?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: People, you know... It's a gothy world now. People get
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  Speaker 6: into that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But it was just an entire expo, like as far
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  Speaker 1: as the eye could see. And then they had like
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  Speaker 1: stages set up. They had like a stage set up
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  Speaker 1: for like all the freak show stuff.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I like freak shows. But not like when I think
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  Speaker 1: freak shows, I think of like, you know, the like
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  Speaker 1: pinheads and stuff.
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  Speaker 6: See, I think old timey freak shows, which is when
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  Speaker 6: it was not saying it was cool. but it's very
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  Speaker 6: interesting versus like modern day just people.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of sword swallowing yeah that's hammering the
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  Speaker 1: nail up the nose that.
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  Speaker 6: Stuff's an impressive skill but like it's different than being
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  Speaker 6: like a full-on old school side show no wolf girl
• 9:45
  Speaker 6: yeah it's not wolf girl they can't all be wolf girl.
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  Speaker 1: But uh and then they had like another area set
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  Speaker 1: up further back in the corner where they did like
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  Speaker 1: the suspensions which i am really not into it's like
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  Speaker 1: whatever floats your boat.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen it i'm over it i don't need to
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  Speaker 6: I don't, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You can do whatever you want. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't care to see it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's not my thing, but all in all, it was
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  Speaker 1: really interesting. There was just, it was, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be that big, but we
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  Speaker 1: went to the one in Indianapolis. Cause it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: an old, like there was one in Columbus. There's like,
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  Speaker 1: they're all over the country, you know, and they have
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  Speaker 1: like a whole little tour and, uh, I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting. So many different oddities and curiosities. Hence
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  Speaker 1: the expo. If you're into that kind of thing, I
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  Speaker 1: would definitely check it out. It was kind of overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: For me. I don't deal well with a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of this before. It can't be that big.
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  Speaker 1: I figured it would be a small thing. Maybe a
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  Speaker 1: few handful of people. There were so many people.
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  Speaker 6: Well, word spreads on the internet, and especially with weirdos,
• 10:53
  Speaker 6: because that's the home base for weirdos, and that's kind
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  Speaker 6: of the only way they communicate with other people usually.
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  Speaker 6: And I think this is the first time.
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  Speaker 1: They actually had one in Indianapolis, so I'm like, oh, again,
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: it's their first time here. It shouldn't be that big,
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  Speaker 1: because it's not like they have years of a fan
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  Speaker 1: base built up. It's not like, oh my good God,
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  Speaker 1: there were so many people, and none of them understood
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  Speaker 1: personal space. But I mean, all in all, I had
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  Speaker 1: a good time, aside from the people. But yeah, if
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: you're into that kind of thing, I would definitely look
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  Speaker 1: it up, because it was definitely interesting, and there was
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  Speaker 1: so much stuff. If you're into any kind of weird,
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  Speaker 1: creepy shit, go check it out. Any kind of weird,
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  Speaker 1: creepy shit. Oh, they had a plethora.
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  Speaker 6: A plethora, you say.
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  Speaker 1: If it's weird and creepy, and you can imagine it,
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  Speaker 1: it was probably there. Like, literally.
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  Speaker 6: I'll keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 1: I went to a concert.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I forgot we needed to address this.
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  Speaker 1: Which usually for me is a big deal because it
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: takes a lot to get me out of the house
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  Speaker 1: these days. I don't like leaving the house. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like dealing with people. I don't like interactions of crowds.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: These are all things you run into when you leave
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  Speaker 7: the house.
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  Speaker 1: It was awful. I mean, the concert itself was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: We went and saw Rob Zombie, which I'm like, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a bunch of fucking people my age.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. bunch of old people going to see a quote-unquote
• 12:16
  Speaker 6: rock show on a monday of course because that's when
• 12:20
  Speaker 6: they had they should have started it and like wrapped
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  Speaker 6: up by about 7 30 so all the old people
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  Speaker 6: go home and get sleep.
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  Speaker 1: And i tell you there were so many fucking drunk
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  Speaker 1: people like i've been to some concerts before i mean
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  Speaker 1: i've seen guns and roses i've seen guns and roses
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: four times but it's like Holy shitsticks, people. Yours is
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  Speaker 1: a fucking Monday night. And it was a shorter show
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  Speaker 1: than any of the Guns N' Roses shows. I guess
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  Speaker 1: I got spoiled.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, truthfully, I've been to a good amount
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  Speaker 6: of shows over my millions of years, and nobody played
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  Speaker 6: as long as Guns N' Roses.
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  Speaker 7: You can't really use them to gauge things by. They're
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  Speaker 7: the exception to the rule.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, literally, the last time we saw Guns N' Roses,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have an opening act, and then they played
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  Speaker 1: for like three or four hours?
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  Speaker 6: It was definitely over three hours.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely over three hours.
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  Speaker 6: That's ridiculous. Like, these are old dudes. They don't need
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  Speaker 6: to be running around for three hours straight. Like, they're
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  Speaker 6: going to keel over.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not complaining.
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  Speaker 10: I'm just.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not complaining either. I've gotten spoiled.
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  Speaker 1: You get your money's worth.
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  Speaker 6: It makes no sense. Like, I just went to see
• 13:19
  Speaker 6: the previous episode and our guest on the show. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, I want to support them and go
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: to the show, obviously. So I went and saw them play.
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  Speaker 10: And I'm like.
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  Speaker 6: Is that it? They didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no.
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  Speaker 6: I was the other way. I was just like, all right.
• 13:32
  Speaker 6: They're wrapping up and I'm okay with that because I'm
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: tired of standing here. Like, no offense to the band.
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  Speaker 6: They were awesome. But I'm just like, I'm an old man.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to stand here. It's one of the
• 13:40
  Speaker 6: reasons I think I got into movies. Like, you get
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: to go sit down. And it was a weekday, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 9: For hours.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a weekday?
• 13:44
  Speaker 6: And it was a weekday. And I'm like, guys, really.
• 13:47
  Speaker 6: This was a Monday. Just let me park it and
• 13:50
  Speaker 6: watch stuff. I don't want to stand on it.
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  Speaker 1: I went to a rock show, so I can't sit down.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, seriously, I've never seen so many goddamn
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: getting ready to throw up girls stumbling up the aisle.
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, joy.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Literally, one girl... Usually when you go to a show
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: at the venue that I normally go to, they have
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: really pretty good... Okay, you need to go sit in
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  Speaker 1: your seat.
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  Speaker 6: They're set up to be mostly for fancy overpriced shows
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  Speaker 6: or things that mostly old people go to. It's not
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  Speaker 6: really set up as a rock venue, really. You could
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  Speaker 6: just as easily play a quartet and you could have
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: fancy music there. Everyone would have assigned seats and they
• 14:29
  Speaker 6: would sit down and watch the whole show. So it's
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: just knowing that venue that is kind of how it operates.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: For an example, when we saw Chris Cornell two years ago,
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: I was kind of.
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  Speaker 6: Back when he was alive.
• 14:39
  Speaker 7: It would be more impressive, I guess, if he wasn't.
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: But this was back when he was alive.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites and it still breaks my
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: heart that he's gone. But anyways, I wanted to get
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: a clue. I was like, we were kind of far
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: back because we ended up getting free tickets. So I
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: walked up to this, like, closer to the front to
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: get a picture. And, like, not even, like, a second
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  Speaker 1: after I, you know, I even kneeled down so I
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't blocking anybody, you know. Because usually you stand there
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: and block. You're going to have somebody complain. But if
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: you kneel down so that you're almost at that level,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: you figure you're a little bit safer. Not even, like,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: a second. Ma'am, after you get your picture, can you
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: please go back to your seat? I'm like, that's fine.
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  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: But, like, at the Rob's, all the aisles were full. Like,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: there was this girl. I don't know why she decided
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: that near me was where she needed to dance more.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: She was dancing.
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: Obviously.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Dancing with a cup of beer.
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: You just people gravitate towards you and want to dance.
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: That's your thing.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: By the time she was done it was half a
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: cup of beer.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: Sloshiness.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many she already drank but it
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: was literally I could see it and I'm like gross beer.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Literally several girls being drug out by their boyfriend like
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: You could tell that girl is going to hurl. It's
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: going to happen. At least get her out of here
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: because this is a nice place.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: And that's a really fancy theater. Why would you want
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: to throw up there? That's gross. Take that shit home.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And it's a fucking Monday, people. You got to go
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: to work tomorrow.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: Get your life together. Stop getting drunk on a Monday
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: or ever as far as I'm concerned.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: The ratio of drunk people was so much higher at
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: this compared to every other fucking concert I've probably ever
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: gone to.
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: Because, again, these are just old people, and this is
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: like the one night they're.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Going to get out. Again, we saw Guns N' Roses.
• 16:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: And the amount of people. I saw old people, too, but.
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: But the amount of people there. Isn't that sad that
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: the Guns N' Roses people have their shit together more
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: so than. What does that say about Guns N' Roses
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: people versus Rob Zombie people?
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, looking around, I'm like, dude, there's so
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: many fucking Affliction shirts here. These people would have made
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: fun of you if you listened to Rob Zombie in
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: high school. Anyways, yeah, Affliction shirts at a fucking Rob
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Zombie concert.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: It's a whole different world. People that listen to metal
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: now are almost the complete opposite of what used to
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: be the metalheads when it started and became sort of
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: a semi-trend. When you became your own little group of
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: kids at the high school in the 80s, they were
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: the kind of kids that were going to get picked on, really.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: There was one super goth kid sitting there by himself. Exactly.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I got you. I feel you.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: You're cool.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: You know what it's all about.
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: And I feel like all that's changed. All the new
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: metal bullshit. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's fine. I'm just now a cranky old man.
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: But I'm like, it all sounds the same. The fans don't.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: Seem like they're near that into it, really. It's just
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: sort of a thing that they do. And it equally
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: matches up as their cheesy fashion choices that they bought
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: at the mall.
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of fashion, there was some guy there dressed as
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Joe Dirt.
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: Dressed as or just happened to be?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was dressed as because he had
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the hair, the mustache, the whole outfit.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: He was cosplaying Joe Dirt.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: He was cosplaying Joe Dirt at a Rob Zombie concert.
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: That's an interesting way to go.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says, he puts on a
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: hell of a show. My only complaint was that he
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: only played for an hour and a half. And like
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I said, that's probably because I've gotten spoiled by fucking
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Guns N' Roses.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Pretty much, because it's rare that I see people play
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: more than an hour and a half if it's just
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: the one band.
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: Like, if you get an opening band.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Well, they had an opening band.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: That's different.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: Like, that stretches out the night. But yeah, even the
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: headliners a lot of times.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Like, maybe they'll hit two hours if it's a big show.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And the opening band had, like, a story they were
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: trying to tell you while they're... I can't keep... They
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: apparently have a graphic novel.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: Oh, well.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: There's a whole story and there's songs to tell.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: They probably have a podcast. Everybody in the world has
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: a show and probably a graphic novel that they're working on.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Their name of the band was some kind of month
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: in the morning. It was either September morning or November.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I can't remember how cold it was supposed to be
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: during the time of year. It's not October, though. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: know that. I think it's September morning.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: December morning. That could be it, too. The 24th. Merry Christmas. Oh,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: this is the worst metal band.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Anyways. Yeah. She had like the whole goth outlook and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: she was like, there was a lot of screaming involved
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and there was like, Or stories. There was a Hulk.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: They would take breaks in between songs. And there was
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a screen. Rob Zombie's screen in the back, mind you.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: They didn't get to use the big screen. They had
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to bring their own little screen.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: He likes his toys. And he wants to show off.
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: So, yeah.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: He's got the good stuff.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: The only thing was, like, where's Sherry? Does she just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: stay home now? She's just like, fuck this mess.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: She's knitting.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I don't have to do this. I don't have to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: come dance on your fucking stage anymore.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: I put pants on that have an ass in them.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: Thank you. And I'm staying home.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: They are just... They are, like, the most amazing couple ever.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I don't even care. They've been together for, like, two decades.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: That's a fucking rough.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: That is pretty impressive for, like, music or movies. Like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: that's not normally how relationships go.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure they've been together.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's been at least 20 years. I think
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it's 20 years is what I heard. Could be more.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I could have read it wrong. If it's 30 years,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: more power to you, but I'm pretty sure it's 20.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. But they are just... They're so fucking
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: cute together. I don't even care.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: They're just... See, that's the thing. I... I don't think
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: I have issues with them musically. I haven't heard most
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: of the stuff in years. But I mean, he tours
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: around and he comes nearby, but I'm always like, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: many other artists of this type, especially ones that cross
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: over into film like you, I would actually want to, like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: sit down and have a conversation with. I think I
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: would just be so angry that I couldn't do it. Like,
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: I have so many issues with him as a filmmaker
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: that I couldn't not.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I tried to keep it separate.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: I couldn't just sit and, like, have a conversation about
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: his music.
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: I'd be like.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: But then fucking Halloween. I just want to argue about
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: everything he's made, basically.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I guess because I've tried to avoid things that I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: know aren't going to interest me. I've not watched Lords
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: of Salem. I've not watched 31 or whatever.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: I got it. I haven't finished.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: I got really frustrated with it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I think I watched the first Halloween. I guess because
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I don't have a super attachment to Halloween. I'm not
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: angry about it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Again, I don't get as hostile about it as a
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: lot of hard score.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Some people do get super.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Halloween fans get really upset about it. Again, I don't
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: want to be that strict about it. I just think
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: he made weird choices that don't match this movie, this character.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Just weird choices from his storytelling arc that don't make
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: any sense. Visually, I think he is actually a great filmmaker.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: He just needs somebody else to write the story and
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: a producer to hone his bullshit in because he gets
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: crazy on Some of the weird stuff he adds in.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: But visually he can shoot. Like that Halloween 2. The
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: visuals in that are amazing. So it's like I don't
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: question him as like. Being able to set up a shot.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Or come up with a good concept. But yeah story wise.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: I don't get on board with a lot of what
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: goes on with him.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I do like House of a Thousand Corpses.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I do like Devil's Regent.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I do like those.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: I already started losing it by Devil's Regent. Like again
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I think he started in a good place. It's obvious
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: he was such a fanboy. You know, it's just so
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: much ripping off a couple of specific things. I mean,
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: it's barely different than Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it was
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: done in such a fun way. And you could tell
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: what a fan he was. And he was kind of
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: finding his own stamp to put on it, more or less.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: But like everything he's done, like progressively as it goes on,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: I'm just more and more annoyed with what he's doing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Like, again, I know he certainly has
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: his fan base, so I'm not going to knock him out. Overall,
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: I'm just, I know I'm always frustrated with Rob Zombie.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect going in. Because, I mean, he,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, much like Axl Rose. He's not as old
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: as Axl Rose is. He's a little bit younger. But,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was all over the place doing his
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fucking Charlie Manson dance.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: He was climbing on top of you based on the
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: photos you posted.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Dude, look, look. Because, like, the seats behind us he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: was climbing on. Like, he was out in the crowd.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: He won't, like. He went down one aisle where we
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: were at and then went out in the lobby and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: then came back up the other aisle and was literally
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: right there. But I think I was so busy trying
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to get a picture of him that I'm not sure
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that I actually saw him with my eyes. Because it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: one of those, you know how it is.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Busy staring into the phone going, ah, quit moving, you weirdo.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: But he was.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: He was right there. And I'm just like, I could
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: have pulled a fucking Mark McGrath.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: You could have touched his underpants.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't see his underpants, though, because he was like.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Because he wasn't a G-boy wearing his low rider pants.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jiminy Christmas. I put some Mark McGrath on my...
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I put some Sugar Ray on my phone. I was
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: listening to them at work the other day.
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: Hopefully by now you guys have heard that story. If not,
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: go back and listen to like every episode. Bring it
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: up on a regular basis.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I touched Mark McGrath on their pants once.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: It's a story.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: In case you didn't really miss it. That's all there
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: is to it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: That's really all there is to the story, but... We
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: bring it up a lot.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Anytime I see him or a song comes on.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Or you just think about underpants. Hey, remember one time?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Or I think about sugar. It doesn't really take much.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: So, no underpants, huh?
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't see him. He was wearing a shirt.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: He's got to have skull and crossbow and underpants.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was wearing a shirt that had
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: his own movie on it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: Probably. He seems like that sort.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: As much as I do love his music and I'm
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: okay with the movies that I've seen, I do like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the movies that I've seen.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: Would i would i like to hang out with them
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: i don't really know see that's the thing we.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It could be either really cool or just kind.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Of like we heard a story i don't remember if
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: he told it on the show but someone who used
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: to be on the show regularly saw them like was
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: doing a story that sounds how many years ago it
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: was because they were playing a show with the ramones
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: so the i don't know if it was just rob
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: zombie or if it was still white zombie but they
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: were like Again, that's the scary part, is that the Ramones.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: Were opening for Rob Zombie. What the hell's going on
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: in that universe?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Was it Rob Zombie or White Zombie?
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: By then, it was probably Rob Zombie. But yeah, supposedly,
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: they were doing a story on this.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: His boyfriend draws a very fine line. He's like, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: like White Zombie better than Rob Zombie. I'm like, it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the same fucking thing.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: I was about to say, it sounds exactly the same.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: And it was only one album, wasn't it, before he
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: just became Rob Zombie? Because everybody knew him as that anyway,
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: so why bother with a band name? He had like
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: three white zombies albums.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: I don't know, he had one song.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: He had like more than one.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: More human than human.
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: But.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Thundercast 65 is awesome.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: That is pretty good, actually. But again, I would have
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: thought that was a Rob Zombie song.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Anyway, but yeah, supposedly back in that time, he had
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: a backstage pass to go back there and talk to
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: people and get stuff together for the story.
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: And.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Before any of that happened, Rob Zombie came in and
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: kicked everybody out of the little backstage area or the
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: green room or wherever the hell they were hanging out. And, like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: just kind of made a big deal and kicked everybody out. Like,
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: from that point on, and that was a long damn
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: time ago I heard that story, I was like, I died.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was just having a bad day.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: He might have just been having a bad day. Like, again,
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: I don't want to just be a dick and write
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: him off, but I'm just like, I never, from that
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: point on, I was just like, I don't want to
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: hang out with Rob Zombie.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe he needs his personal space to get, like, Because
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: he does put on a hell of a show, so
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: maybe he needs to get in the right mindset.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: I know, a lot of people, a lot of artists
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: have to have their alone time before they start. I
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: get it, but why kick everybody out of the general
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: space where they were? Like, go to your room, dude.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Anyway, that's just a story. It's at
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: least secondhand.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He could have been having a bad day.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Could have been having a bad day.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: From that point on, I was like, I don't know
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: when I.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Want to hang out with her. Me and boyfriend had
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: this conversation. We do have a lot of the same interests.
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: Boyfriend that's what is so frustrating even about his movies
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: because i see he like loads his movies with all
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: the shit that he's into and i'm like damn it
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: i'm into all these things like i like all the
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: shit you like but somehow you're making it not cool
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: and that pisses me off even more because i like
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: all these things i don't know i i get yeah
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: i understand that perspective i'm in the same boat yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I mean i do appreciate i mean i do love
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: his music even as like his newer stuff that you
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: don't really hear that much anymore yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: You don't really hear him on the radio or anything
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: I do gotta say.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Though, there was a lot, and I mean a lot,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of alien penis.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: That's what you were there looking for, right?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, the screens. There was at least one song.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact title of it, but it's like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: everybody's fucking in a UFO. There are, I'm like, there
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: are kids. I mean, there were a few people that had, like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: their kids there. I'm like, this is not, like, a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: family-friendly show, because besides the alien penis, there was, like,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: naked chicks.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: Again, it's Rob Zombie. It kind of comes with the territory.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Usually it's his wife, so it's your extra level of
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: creepiness right there.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of it was just stock footage, I guess,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: from older stuff.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: Vintage porn and vintage burlesque.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was a lot of boobs. And a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: lot of alien penises. I mean, they weren't real lifelike.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It was just like, they're aliens.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Again, I feel like.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: If you're going to a Rob Zombie show, you should
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: probably be okay and prepared to see at least a
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: lot of boobs.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And of course he brought out all of his props.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Again, he likes toys. He likes giant toys that he
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: bought from a movie set. Again, it's one of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: reasons I think I'm so annoyed with him is I'm
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: just fucking jealous of all the cool stuff he has
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: at his house because I keep seeing pictures of things
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: he owns over the years and I'm like, damn it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Why did you get all the cool toys?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a picture of the alien penis.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: I think I saw it in the background of your photos.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I tried to not have too many alien penises and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: there was that guy, the big robot guy.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: I do like that, yeah. He's had that forever.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: That's been at his house and in half of the
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: artwork on everything he's ever done.
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  Speaker 1: Then he had the big monkey. I thought big monkey.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. That's a big monkey
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: wearing a fucking helmet.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah. Robot monster.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Is that what that is?
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: I think so.
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  Speaker 7: It's like a gorilla with a diving helmet on.
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  Speaker 6: Which is, again, they're all just stolen from old movies.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Both of those things.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: He had a plethora of cool microphone stands.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, those mic stands are a badass. It's just like
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: Nosferatu with his arms out, essentially.
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  Speaker 1: They had one that was a rib cage.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Again, I'm just jealous.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: I want a mic stand with a skeleton built on it.
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  Speaker 6: So, anyway. Rob Zombie.
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  Speaker 1: I had a good time. I fully enjoyed myself. Aside
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: from it being a Monday. I think I got rid
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of some of the drunk people. I could have did
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: without the drunk people.
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  Speaker 6: I can always do without drunk people.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Especially the ones that wanted to drink. and slosh their
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: beer right beside me. I'm like, do I look like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: somebody who wants to have a drunk person next to him?
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I don't look like somebody who wants to. I never
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: have the face of someone who wants a drunk person
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: next to him.
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  Speaker 6: I know you don't.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I have anxiety problems, and drunk people just set them off.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, Rob Zombie himself, I mean,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: he only played for an hour and a half, but
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it was a very action-packed, and he only bitched a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: couple times about stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's probably a pretty good ratio for Rob Zombie.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't feeling good, so I'm not sure
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: if that's why the show was a little bit shorter.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: He was coming down with something or maybe whatever.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: He said he wasn't feeling good. But then he bitched
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: about everybody having their phones out. I'm like, that's what
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: everybody does.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: What year do you live in, dude? That's going to
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: be at every show from here on out. I hate
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: to tell you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a thing. I at least try
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to keep mine with the flash off or the little
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: light that lights up when you take a picture. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: try to not have that so I'm not quite as distracting,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: but people are going to take pictures.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: That's life again it's just the world we live in
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: now he's even more of an angry old man you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: Kids with your damn smartphones but.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Then like he shared some pictures that people took afterwards
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like make up your fucking mind.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah which is it do you like smartphones do you
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: like social media because these go hand in hand you
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: can't have all this crap without you know having your
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: smartphone taking pictures.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah I do think people should at least
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: have the courtesy to not have their flash on that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: would be nice every band should have at least one
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: song where they're going to accept the fact that there's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: going to be if you have one song where everybody
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: can take pictures.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Just announce it you know be like alright this is
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: it get your phones out take all your flashy pictures
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: and get it over with and then the rest of
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: the time calm your.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Shit for the rest of the night that'd be okay
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know get all your cool shit done in one
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: song so I know to have my camera ready but
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you know like I said I've always enjoyed Rob Zombie
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I try not to have the anger of the movies
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed myself I would do it again Preferably on
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a weekend.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: That does make it better as old people.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, being old sucks.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Which is the only shows we go to.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Old people shows.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: All right, so now we will take our break. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: when we come back, we will talk with this week's guests.
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: Well, we had an old sister's hot tail Keepin' on
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: her halo Riding an.
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  Speaker 5: Raleigh Tyler is an FX man, the movie's master of make-believe.
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  Speaker 5: He can show you a thousand ways to die.
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  Speaker 13: Cut!
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  Speaker 10: Great special effects.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: But now somebody wants Raleigh Tyler to do it for real.
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: We want to stage a fake assassination, Raleigh, and we
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: want you to supervise it.
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  Speaker 3: Who's the we?
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  Speaker 5: Justice Department.
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  Speaker 11: I'm a special effects man.
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  Speaker 5: I deal in make-believe.
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  Speaker 6: I'd like to keep it like that.
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  Speaker 4: We just thought that we might be able to utilize
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• 36:07
  Speaker 5: And what if someone takes a shot at me?
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: You are 100% protected.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: I give you my word.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: That job that guy wanted me to do, I.
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  Speaker 13: Think I'll do.
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  Speaker 1: It.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: But someone else is writing the script. And casting him
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: as the killer. I haven't done anything. What if he
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: put in real bullets? If one person, one person suspects. Sorry, Raleigh.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: No loose ends.
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  Speaker 12: This is up to something.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: He tried to kill me.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You go directly to the newspapers.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: What makes you think they believe me? I believe you.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: My name is Leo. We need to talk. Where the
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: hell are you, Tyler? He's going to need every trip
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: from every movie he's ever made.
• 37:02
  Speaker 13: Remember my particular genius.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Just to get even. And get out alive. I'm in
• 37:11
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• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Letters on the side. X as in Frank, X as
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  Speaker 1: in X-ray.
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  Speaker 5: Remember Skidball Express?
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  Speaker 6: I sure do!
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  Speaker 5: Is not but raleigh tyler's most special effects are yet to.
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  Speaker 3: Come forget why you hired me.
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  Speaker 6: Hey guys, it's Greg Nicotero from The Walking Dead. This
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  Speaker 6: is Movie Meltdown. Alright, so we are now going to
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  Speaker 6: go talk with this week's special guest, makeup artist Craig Lindberg.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: For more than 20 years now, Craig has worked in
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: the business on a multitude of impressive projects like The
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, Elementary, Gotham, The Deuce, The Tick,
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: and even on live productions like Saturday Night Live. So
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: now let's go sit down and talk with Craig and
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: learn more about the fascinating part that he plays in
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: the entertainment industry.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So many different faces Depending on the different phases My
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: personality changes I'm a chameleon There's more than one dimension
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  Speaker 2: I can fool you and attract attention Give applause for
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: nature Let me demonstrate Make us all laugh Who am I?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: The magic's in the maker. Who am I?
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Usually I start at the very beginning and just, I guess,
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: where were you born originally?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: Born in New York. Been there my whole life.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: And then with everybody, again, I'm always fascinated with what
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: they got into as a kid and kind of what
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: their fandom was. I mean, what did you start off
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: as far as just being a fan of? And did
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: it already start showing signs of what you were eventually
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: going to end up doing?
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: Well, at a time in New York, there was a
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: 430 movie, which was on the ABC affiliate in New
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: York and I'm sure it was other states as well.
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: And they would always have special weeks. There would have
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: like Apes Week. Like a theme week, yeah. Yeah, there
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: would be a theme week. So there was always Monster Week.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: And Monster Week could be everything from Godzilla to Gamera
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: to the other kaiju that may not be as well known.
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: So it literally was every week there was something that
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: would feed that appetite. And my mother and my father
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: were very big moviegoers. One, I think they wanted to
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: get me out of the house from watching television.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Sort of different. At least you're out of the house.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: Out of the house.
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: So we would often go to the movies, and we'd
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: go to the movies like maybe two, three times a week,
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: depending on what it was. Back then, you also had
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: the double features. Some movies would only be about 80
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: minutes long, and a lot of the theaters would say,
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: we'll do double features. And my mother's genre was horror
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: and comedies. My father was a Western guy. Always reliable.
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: But I was a sci-fi kid and a monster kid.
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: And that's what I liked. So we had all these
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: different genres in the house. My sister could care less
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: about going to the movies.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: We disowned her.
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: I think she's in the concrete bunk. Never mind. So
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: I had a lot of that growing up. And I
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: knew at a certain time, as a kid, I would
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: play with makeup. It wasn't a decision about being a
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: makeup artist. I didn't make that decision of being a
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: makeup artist until much a little later in my life.
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: Because my parents weren't into that business. They were blue-collar people.
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: That's what they did. You go to work. You punch
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: a clock. You come home. That's your life.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: The relaxation part was watching movies. It wasn't the industry part.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Of your life.
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: Correct. And when I started talking about being an artist...
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: I was always very creative as a child. Even though
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: I would sit in front of the television, I would
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: always build something.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: I would make something out of clay, paper. I remember
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: my mother used to have.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: You should probably get more kids to do that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I wish.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: That's good, yeah.
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: I really wish. I mean, I think if you give...
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: If you take away phones away and throw a lump
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: of clay somewhere, kids are going to pick up the
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: clay and they're going to start doing something.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: Believe me, my kids are... you know ready to go
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: to AA you know I've got one devices.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: One out of three in our family there's the the
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: girl still likes to draw constantly and play with clay
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: and then the other two are just constantly on some
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: phone or an iPad and that's that's that's all they
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: do yeah it frustrates me i.
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: Understand i know because that's not how you are that's
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: not how you grew up like i didn't grow up
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: around but i watch i watch my plethora of television
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: that's just.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Watching gilligan's island every day you know man these kids
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: are missing.
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: Out yeah no just poor people they've been stuck in
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: the island for three years and that giant.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: Spider right now it's my favorite episode giant spider in
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: the cave.
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: So you know and uh it's good It wasn't until,
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, like I said, I actually wanted to be
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: an actor first, which was the first thing that kind
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: of bit. And the thing is, I remember talking to somebody,
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: an actor who played a garbage man in a movie once.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: And it actually had F. Murray Abraham was the actor
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: in it. And that was a student film, actually. So
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: it was actually really cool to talk to him. And
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: he kind of said, well, the thing about acting, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: I kind of got it from these conversations I was
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: having with these gentlemen, were You walk into an audition
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: and you could have hundreds of hours of schooling behind you,
• 44:41
  Speaker 10: but they'll go, you don't fit the part.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: You're done. Move on.
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: Right. And I would go on tons of auditions. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: would say tons. I was more of an interest. Unless
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: something happened, then it would become something more than that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Enough to be beaten down by them.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming that doesn't take long. No.
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: And it was difficult because, like I said, you could
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: go to school and you can get really educated. but
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: they were really looking for physical parts. Not saying that
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: other actors obviously made it just being who they were,
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: but I'm sure they have a lot of stories to
• 45:12
  Speaker 10: say how it was.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: 90% of the time, it's no, move on, yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: So I remember, but I always still watched horror movies
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: and the genres and things like this, and a buddy
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: of mine years ago, when I lived in an area
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: of Queens, we went to go see a movie called
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: American Werewolf in London.
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: And I think that, flipped the switch on quite a
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: number of people.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah i think that's not just you i think a
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: lot of kids were like what is happening on the
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: screen right now and how do i get to.
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: Do that how do i get to do that and
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: the guy said i was with he goes you know
• 45:45
  Speaker 10: i think i want to make a werewolf i think
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: i can build one be a makeup artist and then
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: the light sort of flicked on and i said be
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: a be a makeup artist that's kind of interesting because
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: i do like the the something of the gore and
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: i do like something of the monsters and i do
• 46:01
  Speaker 10: like some of the makeups so.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: Was that still teenage for you no i.
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: Was in probably my early 20s at this point in
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: time you know out of my 20s because i had
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: gone uh you know i went to college and you
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: know liberal arts bfa super useful that kind of thing
• 46:18
  Speaker 10: hey listen you know i'll be honest with you i
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: don't To me, my computer minor was probably the least
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: useful thing for me at this point in time because
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: it was going to be a major. And then when
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: they started telling me, you've got to learn this language
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: and that language. Oh, yeah, this language doesn't exist anymore,
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: but you've got to learn it anyway.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: All of that is so outdated immediately. I know.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It's a waste.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: I was like, why do I need to know Pascal
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: when they haven't used it in 15 years? I don't
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: understand it. It's not like learning the basic building blocks
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: of English structure where you could possibly use somewhere else.
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: You're using something that might as well, well, if you
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: want to learn Latin, that's fine.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: But don't make me do that. They don't use BASIC anymore?
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: I can't go to one third BASIC programming?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: That's where I started.
• 47:01
  Speaker 10: Might as well do it on an Amiga or something.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: You know, an Atom. A Commodore at home.
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: Or a Commodore Atom or one of those guys. You know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: everything's in syntax. Read Compute Magazine, if you remember that.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: So.
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: Um, so that kind of flipped a switch on me.
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: And then I decided to take a class in makeup. Uh,
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: there was a gentleman by the name of Bert Roth,
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: who was at the time the head of the ABC
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: makeup department. And I learned some, uh, you know, there's
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: used to be, uh, it was called, uh, learning annex.
• 47:32
  Speaker 10: It was essentially if let's say you had a skill
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: and you wanted to make a little money teaching somebody
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: that skill. You would put an advertisement in this magazine,
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: newspaper kind of thing. And then anybody could take the class.
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: And anyone could take it. So I took a couple
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: classes with this man. And it started to get more
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: and more of an interest to me. And then I
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: took beauty makeup classes. And I did student films in
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: the beginning. I did a lot, a lot, a lot
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: of student films. And the one thing that was kind
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: of cool about doing student films that you end up
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: doing a lot of different things. So not only was
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: I doing makeup, but I was helping out with costumes.
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: I was helping out with wigs.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: They have no money.
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: They have no money and not anyone really wants to
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: do it. I was doing set design, building props. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: was running the Nogra, the sound machines. I was holding
• 48:18
  Speaker 10: the boom.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Microphone at certain times.
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: This is definitely student films. So I did a lot,
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: but makeup was always the interest. And then essentially what
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: ended up happening with me, what really made the difference
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: is that I started teaching makeup and already been doing
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: makeup at that time about 14 years. And I started
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: teaching makeup in a school. And that's when I considered
• 48:42
  Speaker 10: myself actually to be a full-time makeup artist because I
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: was only doing makeup in order to make a living. Otherwise,
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: I had things I like to call Joe jobs, which
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: is anyone named Joe can do. I mean, I was
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: in retail for 11 years.
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: I was in retail for 11 years.
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: And prior to that, my last.
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: Joe job was uh was game testing video games that's a.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: Better option which is better but better than retail.
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: No but if the games suck oh yeah and you
• 49:12
  Speaker 10: got to play and and try to make them crash
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: you're like and then the funny part is at the
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: end of it they gave you the game anyway i'm
• 49:19
  Speaker 10: like i just played this game like a hundred times.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: I'm so sick of this game.
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: I don't want it. The game sucks to play it
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: and it's going to suck to own it.
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: But thank you.
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: But thank you. But what was kind of fun was
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: when Toys R Us was still around, we would go
• 49:35
  Speaker 10: with the game, take it to Toys R Us, get
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: the Jeffrey money. And then we'd buy something.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Else with it.
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: We traded it.
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: For good games.
• 49:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, because it was sealed. It was still, it was
• 49:44
  Speaker 10: not on open. It was brand new. It was just like, oh,
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: I bought it and I don't have the receipt. And
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: this was terrible.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: So please take it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: Please, yeah. It sucks, sucks.
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, other than those early classes, that was
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: your main like entry? You just then started doing it
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: and learned.
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: On the job?
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: I learned on the, just doing it. Because when I started,
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: there was no internet.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no internet.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: Well, and not tons and tons of schools. Now there's
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: more schools than there are people to work in the industry.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: It's a sad thing.
• 50:11
  Speaker 10: That's true.
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, that's just learning on the fly there.
• 50:14
  Speaker 10: And at the time, I think there was three, four
• 50:17
  Speaker 10: makeup books. You had a few VHS tapes.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: And that's really how you learn. The only way to
• 50:23
  Speaker 10: learn it is to buy the stuff, play with the stuff. Hopefully,
• 50:27
  Speaker 10: your friends will stay your friends when you do the
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: application on them.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: Maybe not.
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: And there's nothing like actually physically touching the product because
• 50:38
  Speaker 10: you get connected to it and you feel it and
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: you touch it and you kind of see how it
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: works and that's kind of important. A lot of times
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: you see people doing something on the internet, which is
• 50:47
  Speaker 10: fine and dandy, but you're watching someone who kind of
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: does the makeup on their own face and they do
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: their faces like that really well. But I don't know
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: if they were ever put to task, would they be
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: able to do it on somebody else and under a
• 50:59
  Speaker 10: time crunch? But learning it and doing it will make
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: the big difference. So once I got into the student films,
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: I started building up my skill levels. I started building
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: things like this. When I started teaching at the school,
• 51:13
  Speaker 10: I would kind of be this makeup guy or this
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: guy that if I'm walking down the street and I
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: see a makeup trail, I would knock on the door,
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: introduce myself. I was very polite. I didn't ever walk in.
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: But I would knock on the door, I'd introduce myself,
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: and a lot of the questions I would get is,
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: are my union makeup artists? So that's when I said
• 51:32
  Speaker 10: the decision is that if I want to work on Spider-Man,
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: because that's one of the places I knocked on the
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: door was for Spider-Man. Because I'm a Spider-Man fan. And
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: when the woman said, well, you have to be union
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: to be involved, I said, okay. So I went back,
• 51:47
  Speaker 10: and I had my interview. I had to do all
• 51:49
  Speaker 10: the stuff that was required to be union back then.
• 51:52
  Speaker 10: It's a little different now.
• 51:54
  Speaker 12: And then.
• 51:55
  Speaker 10: I got in the union in 2000, and now it's 2019.
• 51:59
  Speaker 10: Still 2019, right? Yeah, I believe so. June 2nd, 2019.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: For now.
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: Right now. And I've been in the union ever since.
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So was it just an amount of stuff you
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: had to do to qualify for it, or was it
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: more training that they had to, specifics?
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: Well, the interesting thing is that even though I had
• 52:19
  Speaker 10: 14 years of experience as a makeup artist at that time,
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: they still have requirements that you have to do.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: And back then, you had to work 120 days. And
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: you have to have proof for the 120 days. Pay stubs,
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: call sheets, something with your name on it. Now it's different.
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: Now it's 180 days. But back when I also took it,
• 52:41
  Speaker 10: you also had to take a physical exam. You had
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: to take a test to show your makeup, you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 10: how you could do it. And you had to do
• 52:49
  Speaker 10: beauty makeup as well as effects makeups. You didn't necessarily
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: have to put someone in a full-face prosthetic because that's
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: sometimes a little bit more of a specialty.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:57
  Speaker 10: But they did ask you to know how to put
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: on a ball cap and lay hair and do a
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: lace mustache and a five o'clock shadow with a stipple sponge.
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: Aging with stretch and stipple, highlights and shadows. You had
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: to do a healed broken nose out of mortician's wax.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: Nice.
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: You had to put a prosthetic on someone who had
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: to look like a little cut. You had to do
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: a beauty and corrective makeup on a man and a woman.
• 53:18
  Speaker 10: You had to do a period makeup on a woman
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: at the same time. You had to do a black
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: eye on them, and you had to do another bruise.
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: And that's the test you had to take. And it
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: still sticks, even though it's not a physical test. You
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: still have to do those things and submit those to
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: the union in a picture.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: That's pretty extensive. It is.
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: I mean, I'll be honest with you.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: I guess it should be if you're going to get
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: in the union.
• 53:38
  Speaker 10: You know, I make the joke that even the Crips
• 53:39
  Speaker 10: and the Bloods have their initiation.
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: And, I mean, I know there's a lot of people say, well,
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: I'm never going to do that. I'm not going to
• 53:46
  Speaker 10: do ball caps. I'm not going to do that. I'm
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: not going to do that. I said, okay, that's fine
• 53:50
  Speaker 10: and dandy, but still we have the regulations. Still we
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: have the rules. You may never have to do it
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: again in your life. That's fine. But just understand that
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: this is how it does. And just say, all right,
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: I got to do a ball camp. I got to
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: do a ball camp.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: With all that stuff, I mean, with any of these
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: things that you do trial and error, like you do
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: learn stuff along the way, even if it's not specifics
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: you're going to use later. Like there's things that come
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: with the process that, yeah, I think you kind of
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: need to go through that process. You can't just walk
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: in off the street and be ready to go. It's
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: like even the stuff you're not going to use, you're
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: learning stuff from along the way.
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: Exactly. I think it's just better for you. Yeah. You know,
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: I was describing it as, you know, I was doing
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: the demo yesterday here at Wonderfest, and I was telling
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: the people in the theater there that the more things
• 54:34
  Speaker 10: you can do, the more irons in the fire that
• 54:36
  Speaker 10: you have, the more skills you have, the more chances,
• 54:40
  Speaker 10: the more possibility that people are going to pick you
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: because of that skill.
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 10: Like, if you just know one thing, you're sort of
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: known for the one thing. But if you can do...
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: Laying hair pretty decently or covering tattoos pretty decently. You
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: do a decent beauty makeup. You do a decent ball cap.
• 54:57
  Speaker 10: You do all these little things across the board. And
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: someone's going to say, okay, I need someone to do
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: a ball cap today. Oh, let's call that guy. He
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: knows how to do a ball cap. Oh, I need
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: someone who knows how to cover tattoos. Because a lot
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: of the shows that we're shooting now is a lot
• 55:09
  Speaker 10: of them are period.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 10: So you have to cover everything. You have to cover
• 55:14
  Speaker 10: these tattoos because of the lawsuit that they did years ago.
• 55:17
  Speaker 10: So you have to cover them. Or have written permission
• 55:20
  Speaker 10: that it's okay to be seen. And of course, even
• 55:22
  Speaker 10: though someone has that tattoo, it does not mean it's period.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: It's not period appropriate.
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: Appropriate. Yeah. So you have to have quite a number
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: of skill in order really to be a functional makeup artist.
• 55:34
  Speaker 10: Like I said, you can work. You just may not
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: work as often.
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: It's going to be, yeah. It's going to narrow who's
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: calling you.
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: Looking at it again, you've got so many different credits.
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: So I was going to kind of throw it out
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: as just some of the ones that... Because it's starting–
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: and that's what I was going to say from the
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: range of like starting doing trauma stuff up to Spider-Man.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: It's like from both ends of the spectrum there. I
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: guess what's the takeaway from doing super low budget versus
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: by the time you get up to doing huge, huge
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: studio projects?
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: Mostly it's the money.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: That's really the only– I'll be honest with you. It's
• 56:08
  Speaker 10: just really the money because even when I did student films,
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: you still had a director. You still had a writer.
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: You still had a producer. You still had actors. You
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: still had locations. you still had everything, but it was
• 56:18
  Speaker 10: a microcosm. So instead of having four people, you might
• 56:22
  Speaker 10: have 400 people.
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: It's funny, that's because just like a year or two ago,
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: I talked to Sean Gunn, and that was the same.
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: He started off doing stuff with his brother for drama,
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: and he said kind of the same thing. He's like,
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: when he walked in to make Guardians of the Galaxy,
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: he's like, this is just a much bigger version of
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: what James and I were doing when we were kids.
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: It's still the same process, it's just tons more money
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: thrown at it but you goes through the same steps
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: you go so it's yeah it's kind of interesting that
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: in all these different parts of the industry it still
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: kind of follows the.
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: Same thing yeah you know it's it's just the money
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: is bigger that's all and they can afford to get
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: you know if they can give you 25 bucks to
• 57:03
  Speaker 10: make a scar you're going to be like okay so
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: i want to take 10 out of my 10 for
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: myself so i'm going to try to spend 15 or
• 57:08
  Speaker 10: less money for this scar and And it'll work, you know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: because that's what they, I mean, that's all they have.
• 57:17
  Speaker 10: And I think that's where a lot of people got
• 57:19
  Speaker 10: to understand is everything that they do, whether it's a
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: student film in the beginning or you're making stuff out of,
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: you know, molding putty and waxes, it all will bear
• 57:30
  Speaker 10: fruit as long as you feed that tree.
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying? So nothing is wasted unless
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: you decide to waste it. Nothing I've ever done from
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: student film. I don't regret doing student film. Sometimes I
• 57:44
  Speaker 10: regret working with some of the people. And they might
• 57:47
  Speaker 10: say the same thing for me, which is fine and dandy.
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of different types of people in the industry.
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: Exactly. Exactly. Some you want to take home and take
• 57:55
  Speaker 10: care of, feed them. You never want to see again.
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: And some of them, if you could run them over, sure. Yep, yep.
• 58:02
  Speaker 10: As long as you're not on videotape.
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: No proof.
• 58:06
  Speaker 10: But, you know, none of us are advocating killing an animal, right?
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: Just letting you guys know. But you have to understand
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: that there's sometimes. But, you know, and that's what it is.
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's everything. You know, you have it in
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: all jobs. You have people that are really great. You
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: have people that aren't really so good.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 58:21
  Speaker 10: But as long as you have the passion, it's one
• 58:23
  Speaker 10: thing I kind of talk about is I describe it as,
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: because normally we're talking about the artistic background. Does it
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: help to have an artistic background? Absolutely. It absolutely does.
• 58:32
  Speaker 10: But if your job is to draw straight lines, That's
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: your job. When you retire in 20, 25 years, 30 years,
• 58:38
  Speaker 10: you are doing amazingly straight lines. The difference is, did
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: you really love making those straight lines? And that's the difference.
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: Because if you love doing those straight lines, when you
• 58:49
  Speaker 10: retire in 25, 35 years, you're going to be like, man,
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: I effing love drawing those straight lines. And that's the difference.
• 58:56
  Speaker 10: Like if you hate what you're doing, you're going to
• 58:58
  Speaker 10: hate it. If you love what you're doing, you're going
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: to love what you're doing and no matter what, because
• 59:03
  Speaker 10: I make the joke that we don't work in nine
• 59:05
  Speaker 10: to five we work a five to nine yeah and
• 59:09
  Speaker 10: getting up at the wee hours of the morning the
• 59:11
  Speaker 10: birds are still the birds are just waking up or
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: you're coming home when the birds are waking up and
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: that's just it it's part of the deal but it's
• 59:19
  Speaker 10: kind of cool to sit and uh and look at
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: your stuff go by and say that's immortal though what
• 59:25
  Speaker 10: you did is created you know you made something immortal
• 59:27
  Speaker 10: like you know you look at the you know the
• 59:29
  Speaker 10: pierces frankenstein and all those those are iconic.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: Immortal things now yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: You know so you created something that will exist in
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: the universe.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: So impressive yeah but i think that's with anything with
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: any especially creative pursuits it's like anything if you don't
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: have that drive it will like you will it'll be
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: a hobby it'll fall off and it will not be
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: something you're willing to put that you know 24 hours
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: a day into if that's what it requires so you
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: do kind of weed out the people that aren't that
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: dedicated that aren't that passionate about it right yeah i
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: think that does make a difference.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 10: Because i would teach like i said i taught at
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 10: that school even though it was on a makeup school
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 10: it was a makeup department because new york state law
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 10: required x amount of hours it was an esthetician school
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: but new york state required a certain number of makeup
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 10: hours yeah but i also taught at other the two
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: other makeup schools that were in new york you know
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: makeup designery and uh Make a Forever Academy. And, you know,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: they can have a student body in a classroom of 13,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: 14 students. And I taught there on and off for
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 10: the last five years. You know, like I said, I'm too... Honestly,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: I'm too busy or, you know, whatever the story may be. Wink, wink, wink.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 10: But anyway.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: And, you know, definitely you could kind of pick out
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: people that really are there because they really want to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: be there.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 10: And then you can pick out the people that kind
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: of have an interest in it, but they're not sure
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 10: what they want to do in their lives. Let's try
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: this and see if it's what I want to do.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 10: And then you get the people that are like, oh, man,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 10: what the F am I doing here? I have no desire.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: Because they don't do anything. They don't make that little effort.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: And that's where the difference is. Like when you did,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: like one of the last classes I taught at one
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 10: of the other schools, I was teaching them how to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: lay a beard.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 10: And you could see a very few students following what
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 10: I was doing and really putting the hair on the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 10: way that I like it to be done. And then
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: you see a bunch of students who just take a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: clop of hair, like a cable, and glue it onto
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 10: their form. And I was like, does that look anything
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 10: like what I did? No. That's where you start people
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 10: who say, well, I don't really want to do this.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 10: I want to do fashion.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: Then why are you wasting all of our time?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 10: And I'm saying, well, why are you taking the master
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 10: class then? Because it's required. I said, all right, but
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 10: let's tell you this. If you come into the union,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: you've got to know how to do that beard. If
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: it looks like that, bye-bye. Come back when you're serious,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: when you really, really want to be a makeup artist.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, there are people that make good money.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: That's fine. That's fine and dandy.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 10: That's goodness for them. God bless them and all that stuff.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 10: But I look at it because it was a passion
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: for me. It's definitely a passion for me. After I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 10: leave here, I have a 6 o'clock call tomorrow morning
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 10: on the job.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Good Lord.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 10: And thankfully, I'm only working a four-day week. Thank you.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 10: But then they're all flying out to California to finish
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 10: some scenes. And then the other guy comes back on
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: Monday to start it all over again.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, that's the passion.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 10: That's the passion. I can't think of anything else that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: I would do now. I'm like, what am I going
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 10: to be doing? Imagine me being like a school bus driver.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 13: Jeez.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: It's rough not having that calling.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: Or I'd be like a crossing guard.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Get down.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: Okay, just get in. Move, move, move. Well, then you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: get into, again, you've got almost equal as much of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: just traditional, more of the beauty of makeup. How different
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: is that? I mean, again, being super passionate about the horror,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: I can see you getting in, but you have to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: be equally as skilled in the beauty end of it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: So how much is that something that you've been drawn
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: to once you've gotten into it professionally?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: I mean, a lot of people ask me how many
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 10: horror movies have I ever done. And I can say
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 10: probably about five.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: Because horror fans are so hardcore. That's the one I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: can see. Everybody wants to go to school and learn that.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: But I'm like, you've got to spend equally as much time,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: probably a lot more, doing traditional beauty makeup. So yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: how much passion do you have trying to do more
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: traditional stuff?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 10: A lot of times I get hired because I have
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 10: decent skills involved. Well, I should say decent enough skills involved.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 10: Where someone could throw a woman in my chair.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: And I.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 10: Can put her into a nice makeup. Yeah. Then I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 10: think there was one day, and I used to do
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: a show called Power. And on one day on Power,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: I haven't done it in a minute because I'm on
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 10: another show called Deuce. But they threw a woman in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 10: my chair. Then another actor came in. So I did
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: a woman's makeup, a man's makeup, and then I had
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 10: to do a prosthetic makeup. So I did all the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 10: versions of makeup in one day.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: Versatile, yeah.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: It just helps. I mean, I don't want to be known.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, there's a lot of people I know that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 10: just do effects makeups.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: And if no one's asking them to do a prosthetic
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: or a thing, they're sitting there twirling their thumbs.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: And I knew that if I wanted to be a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 10: makeup artist, I needed to know the other things too.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 10: Because I just didn't. I mean, I get as much
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: pleasure as putting makeup on somebody, a woman, man, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: make them look nice or decent. as I do putting
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: on a cut or a scar. It's equal for me. Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: Well, and then like with the, that's another one of those.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: I don't think people outside of the industry understand how
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: the jobs work too. So I do try to get
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: like a more real world version of like, because sometimes
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: you'll look at like credits and like it's five episodes
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: of this and then this movie and then go to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: a TV show over here. So how do these jobs
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: come to you? Is it once you're in the industry,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: You know, they, like, put out a call, hey, we
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: need somebody, or is it just people that you've worked
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: with before that know you? How do you find, or
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: the jobs find you, I guess.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, most, I would say probably close to 90% of
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: them are people calling me.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: I mean, I've been in the union now, like I said,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: since 2000. So, we're talking about 19 years I've been
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 10: in the union. And I got a pretty decent enough reputation.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 10: You know, there's probably less than, like, a handful of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 10: people who never... I'll never darken their door again. And
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: they don't want me to come back ever, ever again. Because,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 10: you know, a lot of it has to do with
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: personality traits and personality styles. Like some people are really,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 10: you know, I'll be honest with you. There are some
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 10: people who this is a do or die situation for them.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: You know, they're like, if you don't take it serious
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: or as serious, let's say this. If you don't take
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: it as serious as I do, I don't want you.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't live and breathe this business. I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 10: love it. I enjoy it. But I have outside interests.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: And I want to make sure I have outside interest.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: And they take it personally sometimes. If you're not doing
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: this the way that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: I want it, you know, to the level and degree
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: that I want it. And yeah, you're just doing a job,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: And a lot of it has to do with maturity. And,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: you know, honestly, I work better with a seasoned person.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: Because... Is.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: This production end or the person sitting in the chair?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: Or both?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: A little bit of both.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 10: You know, I mean, a lot of times an actor,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 10: especially an actor that's been around a while, you know...
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: A lot of people don't understand why they may be
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 10: apprehensive of sitting in a chair to someone they've never
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 10: met before. And it's because they don't know you. And
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 10: you could have mad skills, and the actors still don't
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: know you. So you just have to understand that you're
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 10: starting a new relationship, and you're setting them up to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 10: be in front of the camera. And a lot of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: times they want to know. It's a trust issue too.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: It's a big.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 10: Big trust thing. And when you work with certain types
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 10: of people, there are, like I said, I like to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: see some professionals because people know me. And I don't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: think it's that serious.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, we're making TV shows. We're making movies. We're
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: not curing cancer. We're not stamping out, you know, world
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: famine here. We're just making entertainment.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 13: And.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: There's a point when it's taken too seriously. I'd rather work... I.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: Mean, I'll be honest with you. I'd rather work with
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 10: a low-budget film that treats people respectably... Yeah. and appreciates
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: that you're being there than some big-budget movie that treats
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 10: you like, well, you're lucky to be here.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 10: And I don't like that. I like people that treat
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: people with decency and respect. I mean, things are going
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 10: to happen. It's fine.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 10: But there's ways, I'm like, I hate people when something happens,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 10: they lose their nut. They're like going, and I'm watching
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 10: people like lose their nut. And I'm like, well, the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 10: problem is still there. It has not been solved.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: You're, you're.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: Running around and bantering and saying stuff like this. And
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: I'm like, but still the problem exists.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: And especially in an industry like this where all day long,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: like your job running the show is putting out fires.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: So like if you lose it that easily, like you're
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: not going to get very far.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 10: And that really comes from the maturity. And that comes
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 10: from someone who's done it a number of times who
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: can say, okay, this happened and this is how we
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 10: figure it out. Yeah. As a being like, I don't
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 10: know what to figure out. What did you do wrong?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 10: What happened there? Blah, blah, blah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: It's point fingers.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: And they're yelling at you and you're like, you know something?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 10: I'm good. If this is the way you're going to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: act for something like this, either figure out the problem
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: or do it without me. I mean, there was a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: time when I first started that I was fearful for
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 10: me to go away, go on vacation. Yeah. Because ultimately
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: I would be a phone call. I remember I was
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: in Disney World and I got a phone call. Hey,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 10: are you available tomorrow? I'm like, well, I'm in Florida
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: right now.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: Hang out with Mickey. Hold on.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: But now, knock wood, I'm busy. I stay busy. Sometimes
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: I'll do back-to-back episodics. I work six months. I'm almost
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: working two. months out of the year. I also do SNL,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 10: so there'll be 21 Saturdays that I have to do.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 10: I'm blessed. I really work quite a lot. No one's hungry.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: Everyone's got a roof over their heads. and you know we.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 14: Got insurance and eyeglasses and the teeth and all that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 14: stuff too that's definitely and I have a decent union
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 14: and yeah I mean it's been a pleasurable you know
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 14: I have good friends okay.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 10: Friends we tolerate each other some friends who say they're
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 10: my friends no I'm just messing around but no I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 10: mean there's a certain sense of and when you actually
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: talk to a lot of us we have all this
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: sort of initial backgrounds yeah initial interests you talked about
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 10: the beauty makeup and the effects makeup there's a lot
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 10: of makeup people you know myself included who got into
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 10: the business because of the love of monsters and the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 10: love of the horror but knowing that well i just
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 10: don't want to be the guy that says oh we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 10: need to have someone get their throat cut can you
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: are you around yeah when you're sitting and doing nothing
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 10: for six months and then you get the phone call
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 10: and they say oh can you do it for a
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 10: hundred bucks and i can say well i have to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 10: pay my mortgage up for the last six months can
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 10: i do it for twenty thousand dollars No, you're just
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 10: cutting so-and-so. Put some wax and some blood on it.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: Because there's such bigger products in the beauty makeup, I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: would assume they almost always pay better, I'm guessing. At
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: least the big budget studio kind of run stuff.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 10: Well, there's contracts that have X amount of money that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 10: you make per hour, things that will cover your expenditures.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 10: So it's all set up that way.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: Well, and then you mentioned the live, that's what I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: was going to say. You've got like some of these
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: huge like studio projects that are film and you have
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: months on end that they're working on it. And then
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: how different is it doing something like SNL? Or I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: did see you worked on, I actually watched the, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: really liked the live version they did of Sound of Music.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: You were doing that. And I was like, I was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: amazed how well orchestrated all that stuff was. So with
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: you also being thrown in the middle of it doing makeup,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: like how crazy is that? trying to do the live things.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 10: Well, the one thing that was kind of good is
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 10: because I have the SNL history, so I'm used to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 10: doing stuff live and on the fly, which is, I think,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 10: why the department head, and I've known him from another movie.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 10: I actually worked with this guy named John Capano, and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 10: he did a movie, him and I did a movie
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: called My Soul to Take, which was the Wes Craven film.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 10: And he hired me because, one, we get along very well,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: and also I have a lot of live tv experience
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 10: so i know how to go throw something on somebody
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 10: in two minutes and walk out like i know what
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 10: they need for two minutes worth of.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: Work assessing it is i guess a huge part.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 10: Of it yeah right and for for sound the music
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 10: there wasn't a lot of elaboracy it was just you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 10: know the kids or the you know like everyone everyone
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 10: looks good as she is well she was she had
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 10: a person i'm sure and uh so we would just
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 10: as we were basically assigned certain certain people yeah and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 10: they would come into the chair in between and we
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 10: put them through the works And hang out just off
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 10: camera in case they needed something when they popped off camera.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 10: I actually had a lot of fun doing Peter Pan.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 10: I'll give you a little trivia about Peter Pan thing,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: which is very interesting. The guy that played Smead, he
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 10: really worked with, but we all worked together on him.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 10: Because he actually has a lot of tattoos on his arm.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 10: It was a really funny story that happened. We were
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 10: testing out tattoos on him. But he's also kind of
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 10: a genre fan.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 10: Forgive me if I don't remember his name. I can
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 10: see his face. He's a Broadway actor. Broadway singer. He's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 10: been around forever. But he's also a fan of movies.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 10: So he wanted a Mandalorian skull. He wanted Death Eater tattoo.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: He's seen many people with those.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 10: He wanted something from the Goonies. He wanted all these
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: little homages to movies.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 10: And we put a little Mandalorian skull on his right arm,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 10: but he's facing the camera with his left. And would
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 10: you believe it that some steely-eyed nerd saw the little
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 10: edge of the tusk or the horn or whatever, or
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: the antler, whatever you want to call the thing on
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: those critters, and went, holy shit, he's wearing a Mandalorian skull.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: And I'm like, how the hell? Did that person see it?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: But all over his arms, when we did it, he
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 10: has all these homage tattoos.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: On his arms. Geeks are hardcore. It was pretty funny.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 10: We made tattoos, scars. So that's the thing. It's like
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 10: because of the positions that I'm in with these shows,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: they know I can do a decent beauty makeup and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 10: a decent corrective makeup. But if they need someone who
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 10: does an effect, because I worked on a lot of–
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 10: when I talked about the show Power– A lot of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 10: it was contemporary makeup, but it's an urban drama. Yeah.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 10: So you got people who sometimes meet untimely demises in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 10: kind of gross ways, but they're not horror.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: It's got to be realistic.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 10: Someone gets a throat cut, someone gets a shot in
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 10: the head. So you have to know how to do
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 10: that too. So I'm kind of like the Walmart in
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 10: some respect. You go there to pick up a chili
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 10: dog and then some bloomers and some comic– Some toys
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 10: and you're good.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Some paper goods.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: We need to talk about Kevin. I saw the listing
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: for the prosthetic arm.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: It was one of the only ones that was listed
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: outside of makeup that was specifically listed as prosthetics broken
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: arm in the special effects area.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 10: Oh, that might have been something about Kevin.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we need to talk about Kevin. It's 2011.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, right, right, right. That's the one that had Ezra.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 10: And Tilda Swinton was in it. And John C. Reilly
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 10: was in it. Yeah. There's a scene in the movie where,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 10: if you see it, it's kind of interesting. Because it's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 10: basically about nature versus nurturing.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 10: So the boy is born, but he's sort of a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 10: bad seed. And no matter what they do, they can't
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 10: seem to get him to be right. And there's a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 10: moment where, in the movie, where he soils himself. She
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 10: cleans him up. And he does it again on purpose.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: Just to get it back at the mother. And she
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 10: violently grabs him and throws him. And I made this
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 10: fake arm that when you knocked it against a table,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 10: you could see the end, the bone snap.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 10: You could see the arm go in the direction. So
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 10: there's a part where the kid's laying down, and he
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 10: has this fake arm, and you could see the arm
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 10: broken about mid-forearm. And that's where the fake arm came in.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what reminded me of the weird realistic stuff
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: that you have to know how to do.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 10: And it's kind of funny because that was my son's
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 10: arm when he was that age. It's not the real
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 10: kid's arm. It was because he moved his hand during
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 10: the molding process. I couldn't get a really great mold.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 10: So I just took my kid. I said, I'm going
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: to make a mold of your arm.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: He's like, okay.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 10: And I took a cast of his arm. So that's
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: my son's arm.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: Immortalized forever.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 10: I still have it, too. I still have his mold.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 10: I still have his arm. When he was eight years old.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 10: Now he's doubled. That age, but I still have his honor.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: Well, and then is there any other, like, what's a
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: good one that's, like, just a big story that you
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: remember or just a project that you worked on that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: you're really proud of, you know?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming all of them, but one that's pretty memorable
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: for you.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: You know, someone asked me, like, what are you proud of?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 10: I said, I'm proud of all of it.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: As long as it works, I'm happy.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 10: Someone on my sit-down would go, like, ooh, I cringe,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 10: and I go, oh, my God. I don't look so good. Actually,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: there's one moment I thought was actually kind of cool
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 10: because I was in Atlanta. I got a chance to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 10: work on The Walking Dead for a little bit.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: But I wasn't working with the Nicotero guys. I was
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 10: working on the other side. And, you know, we have
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 10: weekends off and things like this. And I had worked
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 10: on a movie called Trainwreck.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 10: And Bill Hader, who was a former SNL and actually
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 10: my first cast member at SNL, which is kind of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: cool to see him. And he's a He's a surgeon.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: He's like knee replacements and joint replacements. And so I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: had to make a fake leg with all the parts
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: in it, which is a story within itself, getting the parts. Apparently,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 10: you have to be in the medical profession to get it.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: But if you know how to nudge, nudge, wink, wink,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: you get it. And I remember sitting in the audience
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 10: watching the movie and And then that scene comes up
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: where he's banging in the plates and I hear all
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 10: the audience go, and I went, yeah, that's cool.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: I'm that good.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 10: You know, it's funny. It really is like when your
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: makeup isn't a makeup, I think that works amazingly well.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 10: You know, during the demo I was talking about, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 10: I've done a few other interviews, but one of my
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 10: favorite makeups is a Father Marin character from The Godfather.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 10: To me, it's still one of the top. And when
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 10: you think it came out like, what, 72, 74? Yeah.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 10: To me, it's still one of the top aging makeups
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 10: I've ever seen. And to this day, it will always
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 10: be that way. Because you didn't know he was in makeup.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: And I think... Those are the ones that show, like,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: maybe the easiest. Because that's one of those things that
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: even to this day, new movies, I will see them
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: try to take their actor and then put old age
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: makeup on them. I'm like, wow, that looks like old
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: age makeup. Like, it is really hard to make that
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: look good and believable. So, yeah, anybody who can do that, that's...
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: That's one of the harder things to master, I would assume,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: because I see a lot of bad ones out there.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah. So when people gasp, when people react the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 10: way I would hope they would react, that means I
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 10: did not take them out of the movie because the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 10: makeup was bad. They went right through the makeup, and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 10: it was part of the story. It wasn't the story.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 10: It was part of the story. And I think that's
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: when it works really well, is when people don't even
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 10: know it's something they're looking at, that somebody constructed, that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 10: they might be looking at something real. That's awesome. And that,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 10: I think, is the greatest. To me, that's the greatest
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: feather in my cap, in any makeup artist's cap, to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 10: be like, the makeup?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 10: That was a makeup? I never believed that.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: Aside from those Emmys, yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: I do not have an Emmy.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: No Emmys.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: I don't have an Emmy. I got three nominations, but
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: I do not have an Emmy.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: It's coming.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 10: We'll work on it. We'll see.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: We'll work on it.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: We'll see. I got to work on a show that's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 10: uber popular, and then I think I can get an Emmy. SNL.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: You got two SNLs, so two nominations. So, yeah.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 10: But you know what the problem is? People love American
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: Horror Story way too much in SNL.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: They get all the hype.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 10: I'm not taking it away because I know those people,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 10: and I love them very dearly.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: They get all the hype. But, you know, they're awesome.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: They're awesome. Well, is there anything you're working on you
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: want to tell people about? Or have you got stuff
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: you want to, as far as, I don't know, maybe
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: teaching or whatever you want to pass on to people?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm on a show now called The Deuce. We're
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 10: wrapping up our third season. I wrapped on the season
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 10: six of Power. SNL is dark. We're done for the season.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: We come back probably September, October. After this My Rain
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 10: on the Deuce is done, which happens in middle of July.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 10: I'll be back looking for work.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. It's a never-ending process, I suppose.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 10: No, but I'm not all too worried.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: I may even take a few days off just to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 10: sort of relax a little bit. But there's a lot
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: of shows that I want to try to get on,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 10: like a lot of period shows. I would love to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 10: do a period naval film. interesting sounds really interesting that's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 10: yeah because you know a lot of people didn't but
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 10: i love that master and commander movie yeah it's like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: one of my favorite movies yeah because i love the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: look i love the the you know the you know
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 10: trying to say it's true to the period as possible
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 10: yeah and i like that and i like doing you
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 10: know i did lincoln and we had to do people
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 10: in period beards and mustaches.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: An extra level of challenge yeah i.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 10: Think it's just amazing when you're actually creating something you
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 10: actually are recreating history yeah You know, and I think
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 10: that's great. I would love to do more period stuff.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 10: I just think it's just more fascinating. You know, contemporary
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: stuff is fine and dandy. It's great. I'm not going
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: to say anything about it. But to do something where
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: you're doing, you know, you're recreating a time period that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 10: doesn't exist anymore, which is funny when they talk about
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 10: 1980s being a period. I'm like, what do you mean?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: Sadly, it is.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 10: Hold on. I grew up in those 80s and the
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 10: 90s and the early 2000s. It seems normal to me.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: What do you mean the period? You were doing the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 10: period piece and it's the 80s.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: I'm like, what?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: It's now a period of time?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: Oh, my gosh. Sometimes these dates hit me, and I'm like, wait,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: that was how many years ago?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 10: I know. When they talk about the 40th anniversary of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 10: this one, you're like, what?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: Even when I was looking at the dates there, even
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: the live show, the Sound of Music, when I was like, wait,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: how many years ago? I thought it was like two,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: three years ago. I'm like, what? No, that's like six
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: or how many years?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 10: I was like, damn, when did this time fly?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: It goes by quick.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 10: It goes by quick. Definitely.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: It's crazy. It's crazy. Well, thank you for joining us.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. It's fascinating to hear about.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: I kind of look forward to seeing what else you've
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: got coming.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 10: Can I give an Instagram shout-out?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: Tell people where to find you.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 10: Yep. I'm kind of hip to the social media thing,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 10: except for this, that, that, and the other thing. But
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 10: I am on Instagram. It's Craig L-M-K-U-P, so C-R-A-I-G, L-M-K-U-P.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 10: All right. And that's my Instagram.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: And do we get cool shots from the set? Are
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: we getting makeup along the way?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: Well, you get a little bit of a plethora of
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 10: a lot of different things. Like you get some shots of,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 10: like I like to take pictures. I'm like, you know,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 10: I took photography and I like to, if I grab
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 10: an image, like if I see something, an image just
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 10: sort of pops out on me, I try to do this.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 10: So you'll see like a, you know, makeup stuff on there.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 10: You'll probably see my dog on there. You might see
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 10: my kids on there. You'll obviously will see makeup on there.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 10: I'm not a, crazy poster like i think i've only
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 10: posted like maybe a couple hundred things at this point.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: In time sometimes it gets out of control some people
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: post too.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: Much i mean you know the people i know they
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 10: got like 30 000 followers and i was like okay
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 10: but then again they are who they are.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: You don't have a life either all you're doing is
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: posting things all day.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 10: Right right i mean yeah i mean it's fun it's
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 10: it's nice people get to see your work and you
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: never know what's going to happen it's sort of like
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 10: almost like a You know, hopefully it's like they tell
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 10: two friends and two friends and two friends and stuff
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 10: like this. But the majority of the work that I
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 10: get is because people, word of mouth and people hire me.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 10: You know, I really haven't submitted a resume and, you know,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 10: even given a business card. I think I really, and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: I'm not patting myself on the back, but I haven't
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 10: submitted a resume and a business card in... 10 years
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 10: or something like that.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 8: Speaks highly.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: Just didn't have itself right there.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 10: More than 10 years. I think I bought like 500
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 10: cards and I think I gave about six. And I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 10: ended up using them all as ways to take notes
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 10: when people call on the phone. Yeah, I mean, it's good.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 10: But really, it's really a lot about just doing it
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 10: and being in it and enjoying it. Coming to work,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 10: not being a jerk at work. Being ready to do
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 10: the job. Everybody needs to follow these rules. It's really
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 10: kind of that simple. Just be good enough. You don't
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 10: have to be phenomenal. You just have to be good enough.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 10: And a nice person, a pleasant person to be around.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: I think that's key in any business, period.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 10: Park your ego at the door. No one needs it.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 10: Because you can be all that and a bag of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 10: chips if you wish to be. But guess what? Next
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 10: door is a guy who's the same way.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 10: But they don't have that attitude.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: They don't bring problems to the job.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 10: And they're like, well, why am I going to hire
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 10: you who's a pain in my butt? And I'm going
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 10: to hire that person next to you who's just as
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 10: good as you are and they're a pleasure to be around.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 10: And that's really the secret.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: That's a key.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 10: That's really it is. Know what you're doing and be good.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 10: Just be a good person. Be a good person. Do
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 10: your job. And don't crutch about it.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: Words to live by, people.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: I think that's the way to go out. Just do
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: your job and be a good person. Right.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: All right. Well, thank you for sitting in with us.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: It's been another Wonderfest.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Woo, Wonderfest.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: I'm sure. And we'll be back as we cross into
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: the fourth decade. They're hitting 31 years next time around,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: so crossing over, and we'll be back. So you, yourself,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: should go to Wonderfest. Go to wonderfest.com, check out what
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  Speaker 6: they're going to have going on for number 31. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Check out all their shit. They got a bunch of shit.
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  Speaker 7: They got a lot of stuff. You can go on
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  Speaker 7: my stuff. We've tried to control ourselves, but you shouldn't
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  Speaker 7: do that.
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  Speaker 1: Go wonderfest. Go fucking crazy, dude.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, go get going.
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  Speaker 5: You do you.
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  Speaker 6: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Treat yourself.
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  Speaker 6: You got plenty of money. You'll cover it. Just go
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  Speaker 6: buy some stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You can buy me some stuff while you're at it.
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  Speaker 6: That too.
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  Speaker 1: I like stuff.
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  Speaker 6: And join the Patreon while you're at it. But anyway,
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  Speaker 6: that aside. All right. Otherwise, that about does it. We
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  Speaker 6: will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 11: This is how it ends, each on our own. Unless
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  Speaker 11: we pretend. Meanwhile our hearts turn to stone, shaped by wind. Bolder,
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  Speaker 11: slowly molded over time.
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  Speaker 2: Here we think. I want to hold you like it's
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  Speaker 2: the first time.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 11: If you wanted in Didn't I make it so It
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  Speaker 11: could be.
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  Speaker 2: Tenderness escapes so easily The first time I can still
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  Speaker 2: love guitar solo Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: There's some alien penis right there if you need it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit dangly on that one.
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