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If You Think Your Teen Is Using, Triple It · The Parent Tap

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: You are either your child's biggest influencer when it comes to drugs and alcohol or someone else will be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today we are talking active prevention, intervention, and cutting off substance abuse before it destroys a life.
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  SPEAKER_01: My guest is David Copene, founder and CEO of Adolescence Substance Group program ASAP Community and author of Tip of the Spear.
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  SPEAKER_01: With over 35 years on the front lines of teen substance abuse intervention, Dave knows exactly what works when your kid's safety is on the line.
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  SPEAKER_01: So 35 years on the front lines of teen substance abuse intervention.
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  SPEAKER_01: In those 35 years, what has changed since day one, present day, in terms of the dynamics, sir?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: Boy, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: For 35 years, I worked as a counselor.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've worked with the sheriffs, I was a gang investigator.
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  SPEAKER_02: Back in the day, you go back 35 years, the THC the kids were smoking, for one, it was hard to get.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh two, it was at 2 or 3%.
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  SPEAKER_02: And compared to today, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: There's no comparison.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today it's at regularly 25%.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's literally seven times, six times more potent.
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  SPEAKER_02: The THC regulates the addiction level.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's six times more addictive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I gotta tell you, 30 years ago, you get high.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes you didn't know you were high.
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  SPEAKER_02: It felt a little funny.
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  SPEAKER_02: You didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today you dab, you get high, you want to go to 90%, you're gonna know it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that affects your body, affects your brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's addictive.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just is.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: People say it isn't addictive.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wish it weren't.
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  SPEAKER_02: We like to think it's not, but it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: And some people think of me as anti-drugs.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm really not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I get I know people, friends, family, who go to the local dispensary and because their knee hurts or their back hurts.
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  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_02: They have a glass of wine.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I get it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But let's call it what it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not a healthy there's consequences.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my problem is the kids, if they market to the kids, market to our kids through social media, and our kids don't have a chance.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the same old story.
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  SPEAKER_02: You get people addicted when they're kids, and when they grow up and they realize, hey, this thing's maybe not the healthiest thing for me, they can't stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I see today.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, if you're an adult and you have your act together, you're emotionally mature, you're physically, your brain is mature, mentally, you're mature.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have a job, how to deal with a relationship, how to deal with loss, how to deal with highs, with lows.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you want to um imbibe and try something, have a little weed, have a little alcohol, do what you want, but leave our kids alone.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: And unfortunately, the powers that be when it comes to legal marijuana and legalized industry, they market to our kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the that's the problem I have.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the problem I have.
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  SPEAKER_02: Our kids are innocent in all this, leave them alone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's my that's my big problem with this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so many years, 35 years, I've had families call me, we need your help.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's they call me too late.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Not too late, but it's not a proactive measure on their part.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's purely reactive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the more reactive, the more longer drugs, mental health issues have, longer they have in flame, the harder it is to put that flame out.
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  SPEAKER_02: My rally now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Getting to it early and uh protecting these kids protecting our kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you think that weed is truly the gateway drug to all the harder drugs out there?
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't used to.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is a 35, 40, 50 year process.
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  SPEAKER_02: I smoked weed.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was given weed when I was eight by family members.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was given LSD, mushrooms at nine.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't continue.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't my thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But get back to your question, your direct question about weed.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was at 3%.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't addictive.
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  SPEAKER_02: It didn't change me as much as I could tell.
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  SPEAKER_02: Changed me for the moment, but there was no lasting impact.
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  SPEAKER_02: Weed today isn't the same weed.
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  SPEAKER_02: It gets you high, it gets you addicted.
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  SPEAKER_02: It they like to say that it helps with depression.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kids are self-medicating.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're depressed, they get high.
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  SPEAKER_02: They have anxiety, they get high.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're happy, they get high.
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  SPEAKER_02: When they're with friends, they get high.
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  SPEAKER_02: When they're alone and feel isolated, they get high.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it makes them feel better.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is addictive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you want more.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: You do.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why they keep raising the THC level so people can get that high.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I do feel it's once you get to the point where you're used to doing that to yourself to put you in another space, you're gonna keep looking for a better high and a higher high.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I will tell you, I have never, I don't know how many hundreds of people addicted to heroin.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not one told me that heroin was their first drug of choice.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was always, it's always a 500 out of 500, alcohol or weed, because they were the easiest to get a hold of.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I gotta say today, I've changed my mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is definitely a gateway drug.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Today, your book is called Tip of the Spear.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: You call parents the tip of the spear.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is the single biggest mistake parents are making when talking to their kids about drugs, including weed and alcohol?
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  SPEAKER_02: Talking to their kids about drugs, thinking somebody else is gonna do it, thinking that they're gonna learn it in school.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where in high school, when they wanted to drive a car, they had a 50-hour class, they had 30 hours behind the wheel, six with a professional, ten with me, they had to pass a written test, they had to pass a driving test.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then they were allowed to be in contact with something that can be very harmful to them and very harmful to others.
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  SPEAKER_02: How much let me ask you, you're very you're much closer to high school than I am.
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  SPEAKER_02: How much drug education did you have?
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  SPEAKER_02: Real drug education, not just saying drugs are bad, let's do some posters and put them on the wall.
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  SPEAKER_02: Real education.
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  SPEAKER_00: None.
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  SPEAKER_00: Zero.
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  SPEAKER_00: None.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dare.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your kids they're not learning anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And last year, 45,000 people died in car accidents.
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  SPEAKER_02: 25% of those were involved with drugs and alcohol.
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  SPEAKER_02: 100,000 people died.
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  SPEAKER_02: See, that worries me.
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  SPEAKER_02: 100,000 people.
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  SPEAKER_02: So and my point is I talk to your kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kit people aren't talking.
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  SPEAKER_02: The there was a national survey and they found that 90% of parents believe that just marijuana, it's like any other drugs normal folks in marijuana, that marijuana was bad for their children.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, their children, only 77% thought it was bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a huge miscommunication gap there or no communication.
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  SPEAKER_02: Parents think it's bad, their kids don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: How do we build that gap, bridge that gap?
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's up to the parents.
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  SPEAKER_02: Parents have to understand every kid in a k is the most addicted country in the world, by far.
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  SPEAKER_02: By far.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: And every child is going to be introduced to an illegal drug three ways.
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  SPEAKER_02: Family, as I was, friends, or now social media, which we didn't have to deal with when we were kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're all going to meet it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you have people giving them misinformation and disinformation.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, the three biggest investors in the legal marijuana industry in this country are tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceuticals.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't have a good track record for being honest and caring about the health of the people that buy their product.
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  SPEAKER_01: They got it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're not going to beat it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're not going to beat it with spying on your kid or trying to figure out who they're talking to on their phone or where they're going, what sites they're hitting on their computer, because I tell you, rarely do I meet a parent who is more adept or adroit at their computer and social media than their child.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: The child's got his beat.
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  SPEAKER_02: They just they just do.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's just how it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's my five-year-old has me beat, I'll be honest with you.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And to think you're going to circumvent their knowledge and their ability to do this and be able to, it's not the way to do it.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: The way to do it is to educate your kid and make them smart.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your kid only knows what goes into their brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you put in positive, research-driven facts into their brain and they will figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_02: That you gotta have, you gotta understand, you gotta have faith in your child.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I I have kids, kids now 16 years old, they're in math class, and they want to celebrate.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, I just took a math test.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad it's over.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they get on uh social media, Snapchat or whatever, and they uh go to a drug market.
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  SPEAKER_02: I found out who's close by, and they ordered a drugs, and they're delivered 20 minutes later into the school parking lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's so easy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we make it so easy for these kids to harm themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know your last guess, I'm sure you talked about Kratom 7-0.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's when I was when we were kids, we uh if we wanted to be, we wanted something to drink, we went in the gas station and bought a Coca-Cola.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: The consequence for that was going to the dentist and uh having cavities.
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  SPEAKER_02: These kids are going in and buying kratom off the shelf, chemicals and compounds in there, one mitragenine, which imitates an opium in the brain to a lesser level, but it hits the mu receptors.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's got lead in it, it's got nickel in it, poison the liver and the kidneys, it's got arsenic in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's addictive.
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  SPEAKER_02: So these kids, we went in for a Coca-Cola and came out with cavities.
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  SPEAKER_02: These kids are going in and buying a can of kratom, energy drink, and ending up in rehab.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or they take it with another depressant and they die.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: It it's that's the difference between the drugs today and the drugs of yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's day and night.
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  SPEAKER_02: So parents have to look out for each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have to look out for your child, you should look out for mine, we should look out for our kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's our responsibility as adults.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care how old you are.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: Again, some people say they like kratom, and uh that it helps them with pain relief and they acknowledge that it might be addictive, but they like it, they're able to control it.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_02: And my point of view is okay, if you're an adult and you want to uh get medical advice from your gas station attendant rather than your doctor, go ahead, have at it, have a ball.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: But our kids should be able to walk in that same store and get that same drink and become addicted to it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: That we do that, right?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: We know somebody, we're like, oh, take their advice, even though it it's somebody that's definitely not qualified to speak on that subject at all, like the gas station attendant versus our doctor or someone that actually has gone to medical school.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's crazy that we do that.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um so what is a step one intervention?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say a parent right now suspects or finds proof their teens using substances.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: What would they what would you do tonight that would be like a kind of an inter intervention and be a proactive step to uh stopping them from a life of abuse?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I started this journey as a proaction.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: My book has been as a proactive ideal element for drugs.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: My book, they've used it as a foundation for a forum, a community forum.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Facts, drug facts are out there, but people want to go to ASAPcommunity.org.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's free.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Go to it, go to welcome and look up, just go down and look up drug facts.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: And this is research-based, it's data, data proven.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: And the point is educate yourself on the facts.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be hyperbolic about it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be mad about it.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want you to be mad.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want you to be accusatory.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just read the facts.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I want you to see your kid and say, hey, you got two minutes?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Can you give me two minutes today?
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is what I just read.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Can you just and see what happens, see how that opens up.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's the first step.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I have to say, especially have a superpower called intuition.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: Dads, not so much.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Moms do.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I tell moms, if you think your child is using drugs, you're probably right.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you think how much, triple it.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: And you and you're gonna be closer.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then educate yourself.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: But then educate your child and get help, get support.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Get support.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: I show parents how to get support from school, how to get support from your partner.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I have I have uh clients, the fathers kind of impede this.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Mom say, I know my kids got a problem.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: I say, Yeah, your kids got a problem.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: I know they do.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: And dads will come in and say, Well, you know what?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: I did it when I was a kid, I turned out just fine.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: And dads often have an excuse for not being involved because they are not as empathetic, they're not as understanding, and they're not as intuitive.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: And they have more of a my kid's gonna work this out, pull themselves up by their bootstraps, kind of thing.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's what kind of the male does, right?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so, mom, stick to your guns, intuition, learn how to deal with it.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Again, know what's in your house.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: And how do you do that?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: For one, check your Amazon cart, because unfortunately, Amazon makes a lot of money selling paraphernalia that helps kids hide drugs in the home.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Amazon is that's a moneymaker for them.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: And if you have things in your cart that you didn't order, think about it and wonder why would they be ordering that?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: And they've gone into rooms and uh there's been coke cans that they've been hiding their weed in, or shampoo bottles specifically made for that, hide them, hide drugs in the planters.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta know what's in your child's house.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: And uh again, educate, support, get support from whoever's around from school, from therapists, from your partner, as we talked about, from coaches, from mentors.
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  SPEAKER_02: Reach out to these people and tell them, I'm worried about my child.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: They're going through a rough time.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Every we all go through rough times in our life.
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  SPEAKER_02: So none of us want to be known for maybe who we were when we were 14 or 15.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Very few of us.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's the time of your life when you make mistakes and you're you're trying to figure out who you are.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's not who you are.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: But parents need to reach out and ask for support, talk about it, ask for help, because nobody is coming knocking at your door saying, Do you need help with your child?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: That knock is not happening.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: How do parents maintain that influence over their kids, their teens?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's peer pressure out there, there's digital culture pushing the kids in the opposite direction.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's difficult.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: It very much is.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta be honest, and you just gotta keep having two-minute talks with your kid.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: And come at it from the way influencers are not, or the legal marijuana industry is not.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Come at it from love.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: And as a parent, and you sit your kid down and say, look, I love you more than life itself.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: And there are people out there that I know can influence you, but they don't love you like I do.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: They don't like you, they don't even know you.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Be real honest with your kid.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Our kids are not dumb.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's this propensity for older generations to talk down to the newer generations, right?
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not one of them.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think our kids are really smart.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, a lot of what they know though comes from BS information sites, social media.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: So parents have to fill that and trust that it will you it will sink in with your child and do not stop, right?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: When I say, again, get a support group, let your child know about it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't a secret endeavor.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Let your child know you contacted school.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Not because you're uh because you're worried about them, not because you want to punish them or you want to catch them, because you're worried about them and you need to un let your child know this isn't me against you.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: I love you more than anything in this world.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is me trying to help you, but it's me and you against addiction.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: If that's the road you're going down, we need to address it.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the ways to do that, there I'm a big believer in having guidelines and behavior contracts and having the stick, but you gotta have the carrot too.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: And the stick can't be a huge stick, it's just gotta be there.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: We're all kids, we've all been through it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: And positive reinforcement is so much better than negative reinforcement.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you gotta remember that and reward your kid for good behavior.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to them about their bad behavior.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: And if it comes down to it, there needs to be a consequence.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Make it a consequence, but then it's over.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Don't dwell on it.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Don't I've had parents get so mad at their child, they take their phone away.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, how long are you taking it away for?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Six months.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well, that's not gonna work.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: How about an hour?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Just let them know it does a couple of things.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Let them know who's that you're in control, but that also you want them to make it through this.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're doing this together, right?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's uh parents need to look at it that they their child, that person in life who puts them first, who looks out for their needs, because there's nobody else in this world that does that.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're the child, the children recognize it.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Amen, man.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Dave, can people find more about the ASAP community, access your resources, and then grab a copy of Tip of the Spear?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: They can go to uh Archway Publishing or it's easy.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Amazon, Walmart Books, um, Barnes and Noble to buy the book.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: And again, half the book was is the foundation for ASAP community.org.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's an open free forum for all parents to join.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: All it takes is put your name down and you're in.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Start at the welcome.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: You get videos, you get worksheets, you get resources, you get facts, go to facts, and it teaches you everything from why today we have to search a room, how to do it, how not to do it, why drug tests are important that you think your child is using, to your child's got the attention of law enforcement and what's what that road looks like if they're gonna be in juvenile court or something like that.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: So go to ASAPcommunity.org or buy the book and uh and you want to get hold of me, ASAP.org, drop me a line.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in it every day talking to parents.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: We have other parents in there that are helping parents.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: We have therapists we refer to.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do something today.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: But the first thing to do, I would love your listeners to go there, just even if they even if that's the last time they look at ASAP, ASAP community.org, but look at the facts and get some facts about what your child is enduring or has to endure.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Give those facts and turn to your child and see what they do with them.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's the first step.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: So the ASAP community, uh tip of the spear.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I will link all that stuff in the show notes and then obviously put it on my website as well.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just had someone on that said 30,000 was cost, and I another lady said it was way more than that, 100,000.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: So No Well that's part of the reaction, the reaction interventions that we have.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: And for somebody whose drug abuse is to the point where they need rehab, that person ends up going an average of six times.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: It could cost up to a thousand dollars a day.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's no magic wand here, there's no secret pill, and that's why pro action is so important.