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Olivia Rodrigo Is Spit Through a Brita Filter · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: Hello, virgins. I know for you it's Thursday, but for
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Speaker 1: us it's Tuesday, which is election day in New York City.
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Speaker 1: And I hope that you voted.
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Speaker 2: And if you didn't, you're a pussy. I was talking
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Speaker 2: to somebody yesterday at the UGG party, you just seca
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Speaker 2: really fabulous organizer who works with JVP and the DSA,
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Speaker 2: and she was saying that if you live in Bushwick,
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Speaker 2: that some exit poles were showing that the margin of
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Speaker 2: victory could be as small as sixty people you.
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Speaker 1: Got too well. I mean, there's no point as being like,
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Speaker 1: go vote, because yeah, it's too late. It's too late.
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Speaker 2: So but the thing is, if you hear this message
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Speaker 2: now and you didn't vote and we lost, you should
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Speaker 2: feel really bad.
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Speaker 1: You should because you were one of sixty the scum
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Speaker 1: of the earth.
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Speaker 2: You were one of sixty fagots in Brooklyn who actually
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Speaker 2: could have made the difference and didn't.
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Speaker 1: And so that you know that that really small margin
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Speaker 1: kind of helps me understand why I was invited to
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Speaker 1: meet Mayor Zara Mundani and the the other folks on
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Socialists late on Friday night. Honey, were you
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Speaker 1: were you surprised when I like randomly sent you a
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Speaker 1: photo of me and.
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Speaker 2: Zar on No on Friday, not really no. So I've
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Speaker 2: been told from organizers that that early voting numbers were
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Speaker 2: really really low, and I think that they had not
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Speaker 2: been expecting that because obviously the DSA's ground game is
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Speaker 2: so good like and I think that they have really
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Speaker 2: really really poured a lot into these various kind of
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Speaker 2: like city council with these these congressional district elections and
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Speaker 2: and but yeah, no voter turnout among young people.
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Speaker 1: Was doo doo kaka. So that's that I think that
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Speaker 1: I was.
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Speaker 2: I was asked via signal chats, et cetera, do I
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Speaker 2: know any famous people to kind of show up to
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Speaker 2: these phone banks, and so I knew that they were
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Speaker 2: recruiting internet famous divas and q rosamu.
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Speaker 1: Yeah to hear the call. On Friday, I got a
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Speaker 1: message from a friend who I think works with uh
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Speaker 1: Zoran's team in some way, who invited me to what
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Speaker 1: was sold as a dinner, which is kind of why
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Speaker 1: I went. I thought it was going to be like
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Speaker 1: a chic you know, dinner with with Zoron and the Slate.
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Speaker 1: What it was actually was a meet and greet with
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Speaker 1: or Dervs. I showed up it this restaurant in Bushwick.
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Speaker 1: There was a line of people outside. I made friends
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Speaker 1: with the girl standing in line next to me because
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Speaker 1: we were both wearing We were both wearing head to
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Speaker 1: toe Asimiyaki and uh and tom Ford for Gucci bags.
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Speaker 1: So I like made a new friend. She's great.
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Speaker 2: You know the the uniform for waiting in line to
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Speaker 2: meet Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 1: Well we were obviously the best dressed people there besides
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Speaker 1: Queen Jean, who I got to meet.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, did she have her tony?
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Speaker 1: She did not have her tony. But but but my
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Speaker 1: my friend who had invited me, when they were starting
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Speaker 1: to bring people in to meet, Zoron was like, can
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Speaker 1: everyone please move aside for Queen Gee? And she has
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Speaker 1: a tony.
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Speaker 2: She has a tony that Zoron had like a pride
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Speaker 2: party earlier this month, And it was the day after
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Speaker 2: the Tonys and Zoron you know, called her out in
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Speaker 2: his speech and he was like, it is an honor
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Speaker 2: to have Queen Jean here, and we were more than
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Speaker 2: willing to make an exception for her plus one tony.
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Speaker 2: And it literally like you turn around and g is
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Speaker 2: like standing there hold like lifting holding her tony up
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Speaker 2: with one hand. She had the tony with her.
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Speaker 1: It was I wish, I wish she'd brought it.
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Speaker 2: If I had a tony, I would hold I would
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Speaker 2: it would be in my.
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Speaker 1: Purse, it would be I would turn it into a
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Speaker 1: bag charm like a la boo boo would be really heavy. Though.
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Speaker 1: Uh so we you know, we're we're let upstairs at
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Speaker 1: this restaurant to this like little rooftop space. We're like
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Speaker 1: mingling getting drinks. There's our derves. I had a really
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Speaker 1: fabulous oyster. And then Zorn comes out talks to us,
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Speaker 1: and then they bring the whole slate into this little
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Speaker 1: room and tell us that we're going to line up
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Speaker 1: and each get a chance to go in make some
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Speaker 1: content with them. Because yes, this was primarily like an
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Speaker 1: influencer event. I think there were. They were specifically trying
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Speaker 1: to get more young people to turn out out to vote.
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Speaker 1: We it was like very disorganized and weirdly I wound
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Speaker 1: up right at the front of the line. So that
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Speaker 1: worked out really well, okay, because if I if I
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Speaker 1: had had to wait another ten minutes, I would have
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Speaker 1: simply left. Yeah, but I didn't, so I got to
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Speaker 1: meet the whole slate, including Zoran. I made a little
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Speaker 1: video with them, which you can see on my Instagram.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was very cute.
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Speaker 2: It looked so good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I had alternate questions I was going to ask,
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Speaker 1: like I was going to ask Zora on team Edward
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Speaker 1: or team Jacob, but I liked the question I ended
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Speaker 1: up with better.
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Speaker 2: They were like, you have ninety seconds ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then after I finished filming with them, I
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Speaker 1: did tell the mayor that, you know, my grandma had
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Speaker 1: recently passed, and that she, you know, had was born
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Speaker 1: and raised in New York and raised her family there
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Speaker 1: before moving to Florida in her fifties and that and
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Speaker 1: you know, this is true. She and my grandma was
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Speaker 1: a staunch Democrat, and I really tried to push her
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Speaker 1: more towards being a leftist in the later years of
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Speaker 1: her life. But she was so excited about Zoran becoming
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Speaker 1: our mayor and just what it meant for the city.
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Speaker 1: And I told him that, and he thought that was
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Speaker 1: very sweet, and we had a really nice little moment.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm happy I got to share that because
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Speaker 1: I knew she would have been really happy that I
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Speaker 1: got to meet him. So hopefully everyone voted and the
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Speaker 1: people we wanted to win one and the people we
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Speaker 1: wanted to lose lost. But you know, we'll see.
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Speaker 2: Really weird to be sending this message from the past
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Speaker 2: into the future, but hey.
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Speaker 1: And it's just a it's a good reminder. Like you know,
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Speaker 1: I think I've been saying this is with the world,
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Speaker 1: with our countries in the state that it is. I
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Speaker 1: do think funneling your energy and attention into local politics
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Speaker 1: and intercommunity in your community and things that you can
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Speaker 1: actually have a tangible outcome on is what's really important.
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Speaker 1: Because yes, it's sometimes good to scream into the void
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Speaker 1: and be anihilist, but.
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Speaker 2: But mostly not, but mostly not, but mostly not. I
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Speaker 2: have a related and verurgeon in question. Yes, is Rania
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Speaker 2: a Republican or a Democrat? And and which one is
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Speaker 2: Alison and it and we have to pick who is who?
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is I'm gonna actually try to answer this
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Speaker 1: question in good faith.
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Speaker 2: I I honestly have no idea, but you know the
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Speaker 2: world much better and I look.
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Speaker 1: Forward, I would I would say I don't. Okay, obviously
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Speaker 1: this is a different political system. It's a monarchy. These
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Speaker 1: are not elected representatives. I think because the entire schism
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Speaker 1: that drives the plot of House of the Dragon, this
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Speaker 1: Targarian civil war that is known as the Dance of
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Speaker 1: the Dragons, is about Raniera being usurped because she is
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Speaker 1: a woman. I would say that would I guess maybe
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Speaker 1: kind of automatically automatically make her a Democrat. And then
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Speaker 1: the people you know, trying to preserve the patriarchy are
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Speaker 1: Republicans or I guess maybe we would say not democrat
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Speaker 1: or Republican, but conservative versus liberal, right, But really they're
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Speaker 1: kind of both centrists because they just want to keep
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Speaker 1: like Raniera doesn't want to you know, help the small
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Speaker 1: folk or like you know, make grands, sweeping political changes
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Speaker 1: that will actually improve people's lives. She just wants the power.
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Speaker 1: She wants to be at the top. Yes, yes, in the.
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Speaker 2: Most Democrats as well, so that still applies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, so that well, I'm saying that's because
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Speaker 1: like I don't think she's a leftist, you know, and
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Speaker 1: also Raniera is. But I guess the one thing that
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Speaker 1: does make me feel like, okay, maybe she is like
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Speaker 1: sort of like a well intentioned Democrat, is that at
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Speaker 1: least in the show. You know, as we learn in
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Speaker 1: the first season, she is driven by this secondary motivation
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Speaker 1: or I guess maybe like what she sees is her
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Speaker 1: like true purpose, which is that she needs to ensure
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Speaker 1: that a Targarian from her line specifically is sitting the
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Speaker 1: iron throne when the Long Night comes, as her father
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Speaker 1: passed down Agon's dream to her in the first season
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Speaker 1: in what was a departure from the books, but like
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Speaker 1: George R. Martin has kind of signed off on it,
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Speaker 1: this idea that like there was a prophecy about the
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Speaker 1: White Walkers and it was passed down through the Targarians,
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Speaker 1: and so Varania is not just you know, trying to
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Speaker 1: become queen because she wants to be queen, but also
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Speaker 1: because there is a true purpose to a Targarian being
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Speaker 1: in power, and this the dance of the Dragons, this
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Speaker 1: target and civil war is what leads to the Dragons
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Speaker 1: dying and the Targarians being out of power when the
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Speaker 1: Long Night comes.
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Speaker 2: And I okay, like, I'm like actually so much more
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Speaker 2: invested in this very silly analysis than like some recapping,
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Speaker 2: which is often hard to follow for me. But like
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Speaker 2: there's also this thing of like bloodlines on Alison's side
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Speaker 2: and the illegitimacy of some of Rania's descendants called the Queen.
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Speaker 1: Of Bastards, which is a hat that I got at
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Speaker 1: HBO's House of the Dragon premiere event the other night.
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Speaker 2: He was on a boat, which you famously do not do.
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Speaker 2: So don't do any function wherein you cannot leave immediately.
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Speaker 2: Well or did the boat not leave?
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Speaker 1: Well, the boat did leave, but it was for a
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Speaker 1: specific and short amount of time. It was only a
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Speaker 1: forty five minute cruise around the like Harbor, peer whatever.
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Speaker 1: So I knew it was going to be on and
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Speaker 1: off scinct succinct. Yeah, So I went to this premiere
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Speaker 1: event on Sunday. There was a sunset sale and then
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Speaker 1: a screening of the first episode. It was kind of overwhelming,
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Speaker 1: but fun. It it's always fun to watch a show
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Speaker 1: like that with a live audience, especially like an episode
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Speaker 1: like this season premiere episode, which was action packed. It
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Speaker 1: was very fun to be screaming along with everyone and
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Speaker 1: like it was basically like being on Twitter watching the
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Speaker 1: episode but in real life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And there were like lots of little photo ops. I
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Speaker 1: got some T shirts and there was an iron throne
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Speaker 1: you could take a picture with I was not going
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Speaker 1: to wait in the line for that. I did get
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Speaker 1: a bunch of swag, including that hat and this Jasira's candle.
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Speaker 2: I just shocked that you got in the boat.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, I okay, I was shocked that. So they told
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Speaker 1: us to dress comfortably, which of course I did not.
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Speaker 1: I wore heels, and then I was expecting sort of
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Speaker 1: a doll invasion situation where there would be twinks kind
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Speaker 1: of helping me get on the boat. And there were
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Speaker 1: crew members standing on the side of the ramp that
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Speaker 1: I had to walk down at almost a nine degree
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Speaker 1: angle to get on the boat, but they did not
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Speaker 1: like reach out to help me, and I really had
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Speaker 1: to just like do it myself.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that sounds really unglamorous. You should be treated
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Speaker 2: like a queen.
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Speaker 1: But getting off the boat, I was serving cunt because
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Speaker 1: it was much easier to uscend than it had been
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Speaker 1: to descend, and I was, yeah, I was like I
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Speaker 1: was walking off the boat with Star Emersu and we
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Speaker 1: were we were like cleaning out together. That was fun.
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Speaker 1: It was a good night. It was a good episode.
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Speaker 1: I do think it's the best episode of the show.
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Speaker 1: I also do think it should have been the season
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Speaker 1: finale of last season.
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Speaker 2: It's the best you think it's the best episode of
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Speaker 2: the entire series so far. Yeah, oh my god, I
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Speaker 2: need to watch it. Not with my laptop open. I
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Speaker 2: need to re engage because I spent I had spent
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Speaker 2: like the all of last week kind of rewatching season two,
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Speaker 2: which is actually so much juicier than I remember, even
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Speaker 2: though it is also often boring and I do, but
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Speaker 2: I I it is like so delicious and I was
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Speaker 2: like really excited to watch this episode by the time
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Speaker 2: it came out, but unfortunately I've been balancing a lot
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Speaker 2: of work and so I need to give it my
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Speaker 2: undivided attention.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a lot going on, and like I
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to do like a beat for beat
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Speaker 1: recap that's not really interesting, Like this episode is essentially
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Speaker 1: a big naval battle and people die. But there's a
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Speaker 1: couple things in the episode that really struck me that
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Speaker 1: I wanted to like tap in on.
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Speaker 2: As like maybe maybe it would be helpful to like
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Speaker 2: like maybe as if we're not treating it as a recap,
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Speaker 2: it's almost like we're kind of projecting themes we always
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Speaker 2: do predictions. I'm just describing this for virgins that either
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Speaker 2: do or do not watch House and Dragon to kind
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Speaker 2: of levels on like how we kind of approach certain
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Speaker 2: kinds of genre TV watching, which I think is like
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Speaker 2: it's fun to get a little reddity, I think is
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Speaker 2: what we like to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, the the thing that stood out the most
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Speaker 1: for me in this episode, I loved the.
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Speaker 2: Scene aside from the milf incest.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well that that's for different show. Oh well,
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Speaker 1: oh my god that no, there's also milf insusts in
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Speaker 1: this episode. Oh my god. I was thinking about the
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Speaker 1: vampire and then but the mother's Son incest down both
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Speaker 1: of the TV shows I'm currently watching. Of course, Bayla.
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Speaker 1: I really love the scenes with Bayla and Sheep Stealer
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Speaker 1: the Wild Dragon. But I think the thing that I
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Speaker 1: found the most stunning was Emma Darcy's acting as Raniera,
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Speaker 1: so very pivotally, very pivotally. In this episode, there's this
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Speaker 1: naval battle going on. Reniera wants to hop on her
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Speaker 1: dragon go fly into the fray, and her son Jasas
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Speaker 1: is like absolutely not, has the King's guard lock her
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Speaker 1: in her room and flies off on his dragon, and
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Speaker 1: ultimately at the end of the episode spoiler alert is killed,
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Speaker 1: and there's this scene of Raniera in her chambers realizing
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Speaker 1: what's happened, and she has changed into her writing letters
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Speaker 1: to write off to battle, and when she realizes she
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Speaker 1: can't go and what's happening, she takes the dress that
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Speaker 1: she has changed out of and puts it down on
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Speaker 1: the table and starts stabbing it and slashing it. And
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Speaker 1: it was such a powerful scene and it really, to
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Speaker 1: me is like not to be too woke, but this
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Speaker 1: is the reason why you cast someone with gender to
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Speaker 1: play a character with gender, because, as I said, as
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Speaker 1: we first started talking about House of the Dragon, this
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Speaker 1: entire show, this entire part of the Targerian dynasty, is
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Speaker 1: about the succession crisis that is driven by misogyny. Raniera
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Speaker 1: is a character who, had it not been for her womanhood,
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Speaker 1: would be the rightful heir, and she is a victim
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Speaker 1: of this patriarchal misogyny. Emma Darcy is a non binary
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Speaker 1: actor and in that moment when they were stabbing that dress,
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Speaker 1: I could just I could just imagine what from their
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Speaker 1: own life they were pulling from and putting into that
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Speaker 1: and how effective that made it. And I know we
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Speaker 1: like to we like to make jokes about you known
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Speaker 1: cis non binary and cis people playing trans people and
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and actors are always like anyone should
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Speaker 1: be able to play anyone, and yes, that's true, but
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Speaker 1: I do think you when you cast an actor who
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Speaker 1: has this something extra in connection with the character, you're
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Speaker 1: going to get a little bit of extra special sauce.
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Speaker 1: And that is that was really like such a such
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Speaker 1: a great example of that for me in an episode
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Speaker 1: that was like so overstuffed with these big, larger than
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Speaker 1: life moments. And then she like she has this line
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Speaker 1: of dialogue right after that where she says, and I
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Speaker 1: think this is supposed to I think this is a
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Speaker 1: quote that is maybe stolen from Queen Elizabeth where she says,
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Speaker 1: I may have the weak and feeble body of a woman,
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Speaker 1: but I have the spirit of a king, which some
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Speaker 1: people are like mad about because they're like, you shouldn't
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Speaker 1: call women weak and feeble. And it's like, babe, shut up.
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Speaker 2: This was when jillion years ago, in a non existent
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Speaker 2: fantasy world with dravers with dragons idiots. I also, okay, whatever,
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Speaker 2: I I yeah love Ranier a team Ranhier, even though
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Speaker 2: like she is kind of an establishment democrat who only
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Speaker 2: cares about poor people if they can get dragons for her.
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Speaker 1: And I do think something that Emma Darcy has been
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Speaker 1: saying in interviews is that by the end of the
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Speaker 1: season they think that the audience is really going to
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Speaker 1: be challenged to keep supporting Rnier, like it's going to
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Speaker 1: be harder and harder to agree with the decisions she's making.
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Speaker 2: And it feels like it's been that way like last season.
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Speaker 2: It just it feels like turn turn and turn in turn.
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Speaker 2: Like everyone the cards have almost never felt like they
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Speaker 2: were stacked in Renier's favor, and everyone is like doubtful
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Speaker 2: of her leadership. I feel like well.
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Speaker 1: In world, in World, But I think Emma Darcy was
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Speaker 1: talking specifically about the audience and that way, and that
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Speaker 1: by the end of the season we may no longer
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Speaker 1: be on her side. Now interesting, I don't foresee a
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Speaker 1: reality in which that happens. I also I know what
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Speaker 1: happens in the in Fire and Blood, the text that
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Speaker 1: the show is based off of, so like I know
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Speaker 1: the rough details of how the rest of the war
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Speaker 1: plays out. But Raniera could do literally anything and I
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Speaker 1: would support her. And also there might be adaptational changes,
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Speaker 1: because in fact, there's a really big change in this
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Speaker 1: episode in how this final battle and j just Sarahs's
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Speaker 1: death plays out, which really kind of made the episode
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Speaker 1: more thrilling, even though it ultimately still ended the way
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Speaker 1: it does in the book. How It got there was
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Speaker 1: very different, and I really liked that change.
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Speaker 2: I want to know how you're feeling about the I
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Speaker 2: guess what feels like unwieldy amounts of dragon fighting dragons
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Speaker 2: that are not as controllable or malleable as previous iterations
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Speaker 2: of the dragons. And then I also kind of want
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Speaker 2: to know about this snaky guy that I want to
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Speaker 2: know what your feelings are on this sneaky guy that's
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Speaker 2: kind of bringing a gone to deliverance, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, he got hotter between seasons or
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Speaker 1: is it?
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Speaker 2: No? No, girl, he's not. He's not hot at all.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So on the on the wild Dragons of it all.
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Speaker 1: So that so that is one of the biggest changes
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Speaker 1: the show show has made. The character Raina who claims
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Speaker 1: sheep stealer the wild Dragon. We see that at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of this episode in the in the book in
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Speaker 1: Fire and Blood, that is a completely separate character, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of people have been upset that they were
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Speaker 1: seemingly merging these characters into one. It is now confirmed
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Speaker 1: that happened. There is no Nettles, Raina is Nettles. But
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Speaker 1: what that led to in this episode, this big change
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Speaker 1: is that Raina and Sheep Stealer are in the book,
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Speaker 1: are not present at the Battle of the Gullet. So
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Speaker 1: that whole sequence where Raina flies in and is ultimately
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Speaker 1: the reason that Jessis ends up getting killed because Bayla
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Speaker 1: and Moondancer have to come in and save him, that
21:54
Speaker 1: none of that happens in the book. So that was
21:56
Speaker 1: very thrilling, and it almost made me for a second think, Okay,
22:01
Speaker 1: maybe is Jasarah's gonna survive, Maybe Baylow will die instead,
22:06
Speaker 1: maybe Raina will die maybe, but no, we still ultimately
22:09
Speaker 1: end up at the same place with Jace dead, but
22:14
Speaker 1: there's now all of these different steaks, and I like that.
22:17
Speaker 1: We're also complicating the idea of what a dragon rider
22:20
Speaker 1: is because you know, in the last season we introduced
22:24
Speaker 1: the dragon Seeds, who are these bastards with Targarian blood
22:27
Speaker 1: who are now dragon riders, and so now we're seeing
22:32
Speaker 1: the wild dragons and this. You know, Raina was raised
22:38
Speaker 1: in these Targarian customs of these dragons with saddles, you know,
22:42
Speaker 1: who follow Valerian commands, and that's what she's expecting when
22:47
Speaker 1: she hops on this wild dragon. Who I saw someone
22:49
Speaker 1: who said, like, damn, she wasn't in a saddle her.
22:52
Speaker 1: I know, her pelvic floor was torn up.
22:54
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know That's what I was thinking about. Honestly,
22:57
Speaker 2: I was like, that is like, you are raw dogging it.
23:00
Speaker 1: But she's like, you know, screaming these commands at this dragon,
23:04
Speaker 1: and this dragon's like, bitch, I don't know what you're saying.
23:06
Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're saying. Oh, I mean, yeah,
23:12
Speaker 2: it's it's. It was kind of like, to me, the
23:15
Speaker 2: all of the New Dragon writers from last season and
23:18
Speaker 2: now and now this season, to me, are the the
23:22
Speaker 2: the kind of the most thrilling and compelling parts of
23:24
Speaker 2: the show.
23:25
Speaker 1: Not the mother son incest.
23:27
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean the mother's incest. I like incest.
23:30
Speaker 2: I'm so desensitized to you in this show by this
23:32
Speaker 2: point that I was just kind of like, yeah, of
23:34
Speaker 2: course he wants to.
23:35
Speaker 1: Fuck her, okay, but I watch your reading.
23:39
Speaker 2: Her pussy of course she's gonna use her pussy for
23:41
Speaker 2: power once again.
23:43
Speaker 1: Okay, here's I want your read on this, because I
23:46
Speaker 1: actually thought in that scene, obviously Aimon t has mommy issues.
23:52
Speaker 1: We saw him, uh. I think it was last season
23:55
Speaker 1: with a sex worker in one of the brothels who
23:58
Speaker 1: was like tree him, like she was his mom, and
24:02
Speaker 1: we saw his cock and we saw his cock so clearly,
24:05
Speaker 1: like there is and like you know, Targarians are gonna
24:08
Speaker 1: targari and like there is some weird stuff there. But
24:12
Speaker 1: I also kind of felt like I almost felt like
24:15
Speaker 1: he knew in that moment that Alison was trying to
24:18
Speaker 1: manipulate him. I definitely felt that, and that he was
24:22
Speaker 1: sort of calling her bluff by kissing her. I like
24:27
Speaker 1: seeing like I think he wanted to see, Like, Okay,
24:31
Speaker 1: it kind of seems like she's lying. Let me do
24:33
Speaker 1: something really extreme and if she goes along with it,
24:37
Speaker 1: then I'll know she's trying to fuck with me.
24:39
Speaker 2: Honestly. On the act, the acting level is so fierce,
24:44
Speaker 2: and I mean in a few different scenes where there's power,
24:46
Speaker 2: there's these kind of like who is betraying who kind
24:49
Speaker 2: of conversations, But specifically with that one, I had a
24:53
Speaker 2: really hard time ascertaining like who like it is Aimon
24:58
Speaker 2: who has not much got past him? You know what
25:01
Speaker 2: I mean, I in my opinion, he may be crazy,
25:05
Speaker 2: but I don't think that much is getting past him.
25:07
Speaker 2: And I think he is he is kind of inclined
25:11
Speaker 2: to distrust. And so if Alison is coming, you know,
25:16
Speaker 2: at him after having disappeared for a couple of days,
25:19
Speaker 2: literally like double double crossed, I mean, she's literally playing
25:24
Speaker 2: both sides essentially.
25:25
Speaker 1: If she she she signed away his life, she traded
25:28
Speaker 1: his life for Helena's.
25:30
Speaker 2: Yes, and and so like and exactly and and so like. Uh,
25:36
Speaker 2: but in that moment, I also am like, I mean
25:38
Speaker 2: and actually maybe I missed a detail, So you can
25:40
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm like, if this has actually been answered.
25:43
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of like, is she lying to Raniera or.
25:48
Speaker 1: No, she's being she was being honest with Rnier. She's
25:51
Speaker 1: really trying to broke her She's really trying to brok
25:53
Speaker 1: her this piece. Okay, but but when she gets back
25:56
Speaker 1: to King's Landing, all of the pieces that were in
25:59
Speaker 1: place when she left are now totally in disarray. Yes,
26:04
Speaker 1: and so she's trying to do whatever she can to
26:07
Speaker 1: manipulate aimand into getting out of the Capitol, and that's
26:10
Speaker 1: why I think he's like, you know, he's very shrewd,
26:14
Speaker 1: and so I do. I would not be surprised if
26:18
Speaker 1: he's fucking with her.
26:20
Speaker 2: I definitely think he's fucking with her. I definitely think
26:23
Speaker 2: he's too smart for it. And I think he'll continue
26:27
Speaker 2: to either play her or let her think that she's
26:33
Speaker 2: playing him until he kills her, until he doesn't need
26:36
Speaker 2: her anymore, and.
26:37
Speaker 1: He kills but Olivia Cook like the look on her
26:40
Speaker 1: face as he's kissing her, or like after he left,
26:43
Speaker 1: what she's able to do with just her eyes is
26:47
Speaker 1: so insane.
26:48
Speaker 2: Yes, she really gives it, like so there's all of
26:53
Speaker 2: the all of the different layers of betrayal are in
26:56
Speaker 2: her eyes.
26:57
Speaker 1: Also, big ups to Abigail Thorn who plays oh My
27:02
Speaker 1: Sharrock lohar Is I believe the character's name, who is
27:07
Speaker 1: you know, the leader of this mercenary company. Uh. She
27:11
Speaker 1: really had so much to do in this episode, like
27:14
Speaker 1: some amazing action stunt work, really great fighting, so sickening,
27:20
Speaker 1: and I like that she's playing I like that there's
27:24
Speaker 1: a transactress playing as Cis character who is like has
27:29
Speaker 1: also has like weird androgynous gender stuff like oh yeah,
27:33
Speaker 1: so many cool layers to that.
27:35
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean I don't know if you saw
27:38
Speaker 2: her outfit at the premiere, but she wore like armor
27:41
Speaker 2: and like did some of the step step and repeat
27:44
Speaker 2: photos flexing, like like doing muscle pose, and I was like,
27:49
Speaker 2: her bodies, you are my fucking bitch. This is literally
27:53
Speaker 2: the representation that I have a pretty much never gotten
27:57
Speaker 2: like that I have always wanted, Like Abigail Floren is
28:00
Speaker 2: so fucking sickening, and yeah, her character immediate favorite.
28:05
Speaker 1: And she had an amazing spoiler alert death scene. If
28:10
Speaker 1: you now that she you know, has gone from the show,
28:13
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what she does next. You can
28:15
Speaker 1: also watch her YouTube channel, Philosophy Tube. She does really
28:20
Speaker 1: great video essays about different tenets of philosophy that are
28:25
Speaker 1: all kind of aimed around like sharing her philosophy degree
28:28
Speaker 1: with you know, like an audience who you know doesn't
28:31
Speaker 1: have that kind of education or access. It was a
28:36
Speaker 1: good It was a good episode. It made me excited
28:38
Speaker 1: about the season. I was like feeling kind of whatever
28:42
Speaker 1: about House of the Dragon coming back because I was
28:44
Speaker 1: pretty disappointed with season two. But times but now I'm
28:50
Speaker 1: excited again. It's not quite as it's not. I'm not
28:54
Speaker 1: as upset, I'm not as immediately into it as I
28:56
Speaker 1: was with A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, because I
28:59
Speaker 1: think that was just such a departure from all of
29:01
Speaker 1: the other Westros HBO shows. But I'm excited. I'm excited.
29:11
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Incestus back on my TV.
29:14
Speaker 2: I do you have any recommendations for recapping like podcasts article? Yes,
29:22
Speaker 2: I mean I do always watch the like inside the
29:24
Speaker 2: episode after I have.
29:26
Speaker 1: Always number one number one resource my Instagram mutual Game
29:31
Speaker 1: of Thrones historian. I believe I've talked about her on
29:35
Speaker 1: the show before. She makes a lot of videos, but
29:39
Speaker 1: you know, when the show isn't airing, she makes a
29:43
Speaker 1: lot of videos about the book series about Lore. She
29:46
Speaker 1: goes into like crazy details on Lore. She's an incredible
29:50
Speaker 1: resource and with the season airing, she not only does
29:54
Speaker 1: very lengthy episode breakdowns like proper recaps, but then she'll
30:00
Speaker 1: also pick certain things within the episode and go into
30:04
Speaker 1: much deeper in depth analysis on them. Thank you highly recommend.
30:11
Speaker 2: And you'll do YouTube or like, how know I.
30:15
Speaker 1: Watch her on Instagram reels or TikTok, but I believe
30:18
Speaker 1: she also posts her content on YouTube. Yes she does.
30:21
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it now.
30:23
Speaker 1: And then I also do like the Vulture recaps me too.
30:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fierce Uh if you watch Game of Thrones,
30:34
Speaker 2: I'm curious, virgins, like how you're feeling about the season
30:38
Speaker 2: and if you want us to keep talking about it
30:40
Speaker 2: or if it's like because I feel like in episodes
30:43
Speaker 2: in seasons past of like a virsion, We've done a
30:46
Speaker 2: lot of episode recaps and sometimes the show is like
30:50
Speaker 2: good enough to talk about it that frequently, But curious
30:53
Speaker 2: to know what the virgins are feeling.
30:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, give us, give us your take.
30:57
Speaker 2: Way in do we talk about Olivia Rego next? I
31:01
Speaker 2: feel like that to me is the other burning thing.
31:04
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about you seem pretty sad for a
31:07
Speaker 1: girl so in love Olivia Rodrigo's newest album, I she is.
31:13
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes this is her greatest weakness, but her
31:18
Speaker 2: songwriting is Christine Like there are like kind of every
31:23
Speaker 2: album she's put out is like kind of a no
31:26
Speaker 2: Skips album. Like I have a playlist actually on Spotify
31:30
Speaker 2: with the first track of every album that I think
31:33
Speaker 2: is a no Skips album in my personal kind of
31:36
Speaker 2: favorite library, and I'm pretty sure all of her albums
31:39
Speaker 2: are in it.
31:40
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, sidebar, what are some of the albums on
31:42
Speaker 1: that list?
31:43
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like a it's like a it's
31:47
Speaker 2: quite a lot.
31:48
Speaker 1: Give us the highlights, yeah.
31:49
Speaker 2: Let me give Okay. I'm trying to think of some
31:51
Speaker 2: that are like kind of like what ones that you
31:54
Speaker 2: would like either contest or And I'm also going to
31:58
Speaker 2: try and look at ones that I got.
31:59
Speaker 1: I might actually be a good deep dive topic.
32:02
Speaker 2: No albums, Oh my god, there's so many. I mean,
32:06
Speaker 2: I'll add I'll do some of the recent ones, which
32:08
Speaker 2: I think are more fun, and I add them kind
32:10
Speaker 2: of at random. It's not chronological at all. I recently added, uh,
32:15
Speaker 2: the first track of Monkey Business Pump It.
32:18
Speaker 1: That is a zero skips album, and.
32:21
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, there are some fucking stupid Whax
32:24
Speaker 2: songs on that album and it's still no skips. And
32:27
Speaker 2: I think that's really hard to do, to make kind
32:29
Speaker 2: of stupid music and actually that you still actually want
32:33
Speaker 2: to listen to, even when some some of it feels
32:35
Speaker 2: like filler. It's like boppable, like that's like the Testament,
32:40
Speaker 2: the testament of a No Skiss album is not like
32:42
Speaker 2: every single song is genius or every single song is untouchable.
32:46
Speaker 2: It's every single song is something you really want to
32:50
Speaker 2: listen to No Skips. I did put in Lola Young's
32:57
Speaker 2: I'm Only Fucking myself this album. It is truly. I mean,
33:02
Speaker 2: I've listened to a few of her other albums. I
33:04
Speaker 2: think that her most recent album is pretty sublime. I
33:08
Speaker 2: really love that album.
33:10
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
33:11
Speaker 2: I put Pop two in there, agree, which like I
33:18
Speaker 2: hadn't actually listened to all the way through in a while,
33:22
Speaker 2: and I revisited and recently plopped it in Fever by
33:26
Speaker 2: Kylie Minogue, the deluxe edition. I was like, that is, like,
33:32
Speaker 2: I know, skips banger. I think I was like listening
33:35
Speaker 2: to it all the way through recently, and I was like,
33:37
Speaker 2: oh my god, Guts is in here. Of course, as
33:40
Speaker 2: we were saying Gloria Stefan's Metierra, Oh, oh my god,
33:44
Speaker 2: I put that in recently. It's so good, and uh, yes,
33:49
Speaker 2: several Donna Summer album Donna Summer's albums. I'm like, okay, yeah,
33:56
Speaker 2: some Vampire Weekend and here. Yeah, I'm curious if there's
34:00
Speaker 2: like a if there's there's a lot of obvious ones
34:04
Speaker 2: on here that I don't even think are worth like mentioning, like,
34:07
Speaker 2: you know, Solange's true ep uh control by sis here,
34:15
Speaker 2: I'm mentioning all of them uh uh uh you know,
34:21
Speaker 2: Born this Way, et cetera. But sometimes that like honestly,
34:26
Speaker 2: you know what it is, something that you and I
34:28
Speaker 2: really wholeheartedly agree with is turn Off the Light.
34:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:31
Speaker 2: Parts one into Kim Petris literally her still her best work.
34:35
Speaker 2: People are talking about her latest album like it's her
34:40
Speaker 2: defining album, like it's the greatest album of her career.
34:43
Speaker 2: I could not disagree more. I think that the album
34:45
Speaker 2: is mostly trash with two good songs on it, and
34:49
Speaker 2: it's all about the standard her. The standard she set
34:52
Speaker 2: for herself is turn Off the Light, and until she
34:54
Speaker 2: does something that is as good as that, we can talk. Okay.
35:00
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, Okay. So here's the thing. This
35:05
Speaker 1: is not a No Skips album. To me. It's a
35:09
Speaker 1: really great album and some of the songs on it
35:13
Speaker 1: are not only my favorite songs she's ever made, but
35:15
Speaker 1: some of the best pop songs I've heard in the
35:18
Speaker 1: past several years. But it's not a No Skips album.
35:23
Speaker 1: I do think it is a little too ballad heavy.
35:27
Speaker 1: I want her. I I just like am wondering if
35:30
Speaker 1: she ever gonna make a happy song?
35:33
Speaker 2: What? What is there? Tell me this the skips that
35:37
Speaker 2: that I kind of wanna I haven't given first.
35:40
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my standouts. You you plus me equals heart.
35:45
Speaker 1: That is like a perfect pop song. It is incredible.
35:52
Speaker 1: I have listened to it so many times. Maggots for
35:54
Speaker 1: Brains the one that she like wrote and it was
35:58
Speaker 1: kind of inspired by Stephen Miranda Sex and the City
36:02
Speaker 1: So fun so eighties. The Cure is an incredible song.
36:07
Speaker 2: I think it's my favorite.
36:09
Speaker 1: Less Taylor Swift You're nothing. Sorry, Taylor Swift hasn't written
36:15
Speaker 1: anything as good as Less in a really long time.
36:19
Speaker 2: All everything Taylor has put out in the last couple
36:23
Speaker 2: of years is not as good as like Olivia Rodrigo's
36:27
Speaker 2: like kind of like third tier songs on this album.
36:30
Speaker 1: Sorry. So I would say the skips for me are
36:33
Speaker 1: mostly the ballads Honeybee Purple, which a lot of people
36:38
Speaker 1: really love, and I just it just doesn't it doesn't
36:40
Speaker 1: do it for me. Wo.
36:43
Speaker 2: It feels like the end of the album. I thought
36:44
Speaker 2: when it was playing, I was yeah.
36:46
Speaker 1: And I was like, just like it should be an album.
36:48
Speaker 2: Ender and I was like, oh, it's the end of
36:50
Speaker 2: the album, and then it kept calling on.
36:51
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I think if this was
36:54
Speaker 1: a Lord album, Purple would have been the last song. Yeah,
36:58
Speaker 1: the actual last song cigarette smoke, I don't really care for.
37:02
Speaker 2: I love the Robert Smith song.
37:04
Speaker 1: I love the Robert Smith song as wells.
37:06
Speaker 2: I love that there is so much. I love that
37:10
Speaker 2: there is just like so much that she references from.
37:16
Speaker 2: Obviously the Cure. I also feel like I hear sometimes
37:19
Speaker 2: like Talking Heads or like totally the Smiths.
37:25
Speaker 1: It's very post punk new wave eighties, and I love
37:31
Speaker 1: that that is my absolute favorite genre of music. And
37:37
Speaker 1: there are moments on especially Maggots from Brains and You
37:41
Speaker 1: Plus Me Equals Heart, that literally sound like they could
37:45
Speaker 1: be off a Cure album. The only my issue with
37:49
Speaker 1: this album, besides some of the slower moments and it
37:52
Speaker 1: being a little too sad, which I get is the
37:55
Speaker 1: point of the album. It's literally literally in the title,
37:58
Speaker 1: is just that it all sounds a little too perfect.
38:03
Speaker 1: It's so polished, and I want her to be a
38:12
Speaker 1: little grittier. I want that in the production. I want
38:16
Speaker 1: the songs to have a little more texture to them.
38:19
Speaker 1: They feel too perfect and shiny, like that is the
38:23
Speaker 1: difference between you know, listening to these songs that are
38:28
Speaker 1: like referencing this kind of eighties production style and then
38:31
Speaker 1: actual new way from the eighties is like you can
38:34
Speaker 1: hear the imperfection on those tracks and like they have
38:37
Speaker 1: the ability to make things not sound perfect. They have
38:39
Speaker 1: the ability to like filter things and make them sound
38:42
Speaker 1: a little older. And I think this album really could
38:44
Speaker 1: have used that because it's just too sanded down for me,
38:49
Speaker 1: and I want it roughed up a little. I want
38:52
Speaker 1: her to maybe like in her last album, she was
38:58
Speaker 1: really going for this like Courtney Love, Bikini Kill, like
39:02
Speaker 1: riot Girl thing but again like kind of without clean
39:06
Speaker 1: but again yeah too clean, too gritty, like not gretty enough,
39:10
Speaker 1: rather not gritty, not gritty enough. It's like the the
39:14
Speaker 1: energy is there and it's in the lyrics, but it
39:18
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like what she's necessarily like the energy she's presenting,
39:23
Speaker 1: it's still it's all still a little too like musical theory.
39:27
Speaker 2: This is kind of it's a little too musical theory.
39:29
Speaker 2: It's a little too like kind of uh a Gaga
39:34
Speaker 2: affliction level annunciation, what to to Do to Die Today? Yes,
39:39
Speaker 2: it's it is also sometimes and this is kind of
39:42
Speaker 2: like sounds like a nag on the quality of the artistry,
39:45
Speaker 2: and it's actually it's not, because I think she's an
39:47
Speaker 2: amazing songwriter, but sometimes it's like kids Bop Courtney Love,
39:51
Speaker 2: you know what, Totally it's it's Courtney Love for thirteen
39:56
Speaker 2: year olds and and I and I am saying that
40:00
Speaker 2: as someone who loves music for thirteen year olds, I
40:03
Speaker 2: literally love it.
40:04
Speaker 1: But that's also I mean, I think that has been
40:06
Speaker 1: a conversation around this album rollout. You know, there was
40:10
Speaker 1: the big moment of everyone getting mad at Olivia Rodrigo
40:12
Speaker 1: because she wore this like little girl dress at a performance.
40:17
Speaker 1: And I think that that is part of the problem,
40:20
Speaker 1: is like she is I don't want to say co opting.
40:24
Speaker 1: She's using the aesthetics of riot girl and punk and
40:29
Speaker 1: new wave, but they do feel a little empty because
40:34
Speaker 1: they're that like anger is missing, the political bent is missing,
40:40
Speaker 1: even though I know Olivia Rodrigo like is politically engaged.
40:43
Speaker 1: She just announced her music festival in which all the
40:46
Speaker 1: proceeds are are going to fund like women led causes
40:51
Speaker 1: and like, that's all great, but it's all just like
40:54
Speaker 1: a little sanitized, and you know she's doing it's like
40:59
Speaker 1: she doing like a Disney Riot Girl. You know, Yeah,
41:05
Speaker 1: Disney Channel put Disney Channel post punk, and I want
41:08
Speaker 1: it to be a little more real.
41:09
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, we as a society, we've experienced
41:14
Speaker 2: Disney Channel post punk and liked it.
41:16
Speaker 1: Okay, the Ashley Tisdall cover of Kiss the Girl. I
41:20
Speaker 1: still listen to it weekly, babes.
41:22
Speaker 2: Old Lindsay Lohan's ultimate from Freaky Friday, Okay, long lived,
41:26
Speaker 2: Pink Slip okay, baby Like, I like Disney Channel Riot Girl.
41:31
Speaker 2: But I think to your point, as she's when she did,
41:35
Speaker 2: she's in my opinion, I don't think she's changed that
41:37
Speaker 2: much as an artist across her three albums, And no,
41:39
Speaker 2: I don't think she's done pretty much the same thing
41:43
Speaker 2: with new added layers of taste level, but not that
41:47
Speaker 2: much to say for how her artistry might continue to grow.
41:51
Speaker 2: And when I think about her as an artist when
41:54
Speaker 2: she emerged on the scene, what she did did feel
41:57
Speaker 2: completely I'm not gonna say new, like particularly novel, but
42:02
Speaker 2: really expertly and perfectly crafted and manicured and done so
42:07
Speaker 2: in a way that made me miss pop punk. And
42:11
Speaker 2: even though a lot of it is not as good
42:13
Speaker 2: as fucking Willow, the Willow Coping Mechanism album, which I
42:18
Speaker 2: think has that fucking grit and the that's what I want,
42:22
Speaker 2: I would want from her, such a good call out.
42:25
Speaker 2: I would love, love, love for her to like even
42:30
Speaker 2: though she plays with a little bit of vocal distortion
42:32
Speaker 2: in this album, like fucking distort your voice, we don't
42:36
Speaker 2: like I want to hear her scream, Like I didn't
42:39
Speaker 2: come to listen to Rachel Zegler on the track. I
42:42
Speaker 2: came to listen to like somebody who has had a
42:47
Speaker 2: lot of sex and somebody who has maybe gotten in
42:51
Speaker 2: a car crash, somebody who makes really huge mistakes outside
42:56
Speaker 2: of the romantic life. All of her mistake, all the
42:59
Speaker 2: all the ways that she tries to telling herself, all
43:01
Speaker 2: the way she tries to be like the messy girl,
43:04
Speaker 2: it's all just about love and still her kids bop.
43:07
Speaker 1: That is that is the problem. It's like I don't
43:09
Speaker 1: think she's lived enough life. It's like she's just talking
43:12
Speaker 1: about her boyfriends.
43:13
Speaker 2: I'm like, tell me you want to kill yourself, Like,
43:16
Speaker 2: tell me you want to kill someone else, like I mean.
43:19
Speaker 1: Get angry, Yes, I mean get angry and not just
43:22
Speaker 1: at a man, like get angry at society, get angry
43:25
Speaker 1: at yourself, get angry at your parents. I don't know.
43:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also, I mean I know that I feel
43:32
Speaker 2: like this, you know, is something that music artists don't
43:34
Speaker 2: ever want to do because it cheapens the work. But like,
43:38
Speaker 2: I think it's so fucking sickening that, like Robert Smith
43:41
Speaker 2: is on this album, and I'm kind of like, what
43:43
Speaker 2: would it look like for you to do like something
43:46
Speaker 2: with David Byrne, or to like sample New Order, you
43:51
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Or to like bring in fucking
43:54
Speaker 2: Blondie you know what's wait, who's the leading.
43:57
Speaker 1: Debbie Harry Well, Dewie Harry did introduce Olivia when she
44:01
Speaker 1: performed on it.
44:02
Speaker 2: She should be on such track, yeah baby, But yeah,
44:06
Speaker 2: I mean I or.
44:08
Speaker 1: Like she should be working with producers who worked with
44:11
Speaker 1: those people, because I because I do think so much
44:14
Speaker 1: of this comes down to production.
44:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and but it's yeah or yeah, it's
44:21
Speaker 2: production and whatever she's she just needs she needs to
44:24
Speaker 2: remove whatever filtration system she has on this.
44:26
Speaker 1: She needs to she needs to be messy. She needs
44:30
Speaker 1: to have a crazy summer, do a bunch of drugs,
44:34
Speaker 1: get in a car accident. Yes, live some life, because
44:38
Speaker 1: when you are drugs or like, I want to hear
44:40
Speaker 1: her making music about like what it's like to be
44:43
Speaker 1: a child star, and like how that's fucked up. I
44:47
Speaker 1: just think, like her songs are so confessional, but it's
44:50
Speaker 1: like she's only pulling from one well and I really
44:54
Speaker 1: want the well to deepen. And I understand that she
44:57
Speaker 1: is young, but that is kind of the problem. It's
45:00
Speaker 1: like it's like how I'm always thinking, like why is
45:03
Speaker 1: this like twenty five year old writing a memoir. It's like,
45:06
Speaker 1: why is this twenty three year old writing three deeply
45:09
Speaker 1: personal confessional albums when like they have not lived enough
45:12
Speaker 1: life to you know, properly have like pain to work
45:17
Speaker 1: through through art.
45:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it yeah, And I just I'm like it,
45:23
Speaker 2: and I well, I also do think there's a possibility
45:26
Speaker 2: that and this is all theory that maybe she's being
45:29
Speaker 2: over edited. And I'm just kind of like Diva, remove
45:32
Speaker 2: the Brita filter, Like I want the bacteria, I want
45:36
Speaker 2: the pulp, I want this.
45:38
Speaker 1: I want the New York City tap water.
45:40
Speaker 2: Yes, I want the cultures.
45:42
Speaker 1: I want the floride milk.
45:43
Speaker 2: I want the raw milk with the culture on top. Okay,
45:47
Speaker 2: like give me kurds okay, and way give me floaties okay.
45:54
Speaker 2: I want her to.
45:54
Speaker 1: Spit in it. I want we want unpasteurized from the utter.
45:59
Speaker 2: It's an that and what we're getting is spit through
46:02
Speaker 2: Brita filter and I'm like, Diva, make it dirty. Sorry,
46:07
Speaker 2: you're twenty three nine.
46:08
Speaker 1: When we're getting is milk. I want milk.
46:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, those are some wishes for Olivia Rodrigo. We uh,
46:18
Speaker 2: I don't know what time you have left for us.
46:20
Speaker 2: I'm curious if there's like maybe a thing you wanna
46:23
Speaker 2: You wrote the itinerary for today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I did before we before we log off.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about Interview with
46:31
Speaker 1: the Vampire, just like some top line thoughts, because I
46:36
Speaker 1: know you're not watching it, Fran, but people in the
46:38
Speaker 1: comments have been asking us to talk about a little
46:40
Speaker 1: bit more.
46:41
Speaker 2: By people, do you mean like one commenter or like
46:43
Speaker 2: multiple multiple? Okay?
46:45
Speaker 1: I think. And then I also have some recent reads
46:50
Speaker 1: with recommendations, so Interview with the Vampire. I have now
46:54
Speaker 1: seen six of the seven episodes of the season. Three
46:58
Speaker 1: of them are currently out, but I've been very interested
47:02
Speaker 1: to see the reaction so far to this season. It
47:05
Speaker 1: is much more mixed than the past two seasons have been,
47:08
Speaker 1: and I do understand. I actually do have some problems
47:13
Speaker 1: with the season so far, specifically with the way that
47:18
Speaker 1: the story is being told. I think, as I mentioned
47:21
Speaker 1: the last time we talked about it, like this season
47:24
Speaker 1: is really a different show, not just in the title,
47:28
Speaker 1: but in terms of the editing style and the way
47:30
Speaker 1: the story is told and all of this stuff. One
47:32
Speaker 1: of the problems I have is the first two seasons
47:38
Speaker 1: of the show, you know, we're being this like prestige
47:43
Speaker 1: period drama, and so much of them were these really
47:46
Speaker 1: elaborate flashbacks that as Louie was recounting his life. This
47:53
Speaker 1: season is more like a music documentary and soles stats
47:59
Speaker 1: and as a character is much more you know, chaotic
48:02
Speaker 1: and frenetic, so we're not getting the same kind of flashbacks,
48:06
Speaker 1: and I have found that kind of hard, especially as
48:10
Speaker 1: someone who really loves the book The Vampire List At
48:15
Speaker 1: There's so many things that we're just seeing montages of
48:19
Speaker 1: rather than actual proper scenes. Like I really wanted to
48:22
Speaker 1: see Listat getting turned. I really wanted to see see
48:25
Speaker 1: list At turning his mother Gabriella. I really want to
48:28
Speaker 1: see more of Lestat and Nikki's relationship, like all of
48:31
Speaker 1: these things that we're just getting brief glimpses of, and
48:35
Speaker 1: that has been kind of disappointing. But you know, I
48:41
Speaker 1: won't I won't talk about the episodes that I've seen
48:44
Speaker 1: already and whether or not the show changes, but like
48:47
Speaker 1: up until the point we're at, that's kind of my
48:49
Speaker 1: sticking thing. The music is great, though, I especially love
48:53
Speaker 1: the song Your Biggest Fan and the way it was
48:54
Speaker 1: used in the most recent episode is this kind of
48:57
Speaker 1: music video about Lestat's make who you know, kidnapped and
49:01
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted him and turned him into a vampire against
49:04
Speaker 1: his will. And then the other sticky thing is the
49:09
Speaker 1: Gabriella of it all. Gabriella played by Jennifer Ale, Lestat's
49:13
Speaker 1: mother who he turned into a vampire, who in the
49:18
Speaker 1: first episode, the first episode ends with them making out
49:23
Speaker 1: and then in the second episode they have like just fucked.
49:27
Speaker 1: And the sort of theme of or this sort of
49:30
Speaker 1: thing about like vampire incest is very much like haunting
49:34
Speaker 1: the story and Lestat keeps making these references to like,
49:36
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'll get to the vampire incest. It's weird
49:42
Speaker 1: because in the books there is an undercurrent of something
49:49
Speaker 1: wrong and unhealthy in Lestat in his mother's relationship, but
49:53
Speaker 1: that has been exacerbated in the show and made the subtext.
49:57
Speaker 2: Has It's not text incess, it's not that's a creative
50:03
Speaker 2: they do.
50:03
Speaker 1: They do kiss, but but also it's different. But it's
50:08
Speaker 1: different though because vampires in Anne Rice's novels don't fuck,
50:14
Speaker 1: So I get it as an adaptational change, Like because
50:17
Speaker 1: the vampires in the show fuck, yes, it makes sense
50:21
Speaker 1: that they are having that they're fucking in the show,
50:25
Speaker 1: So in.
50:25
Speaker 2: Some ways it could like maybe is textual.
50:28
Speaker 1: It is textual, It makes sense. What I'm kind of
50:31
Speaker 1: a little bit more upset about is that the character
50:34
Speaker 1: Gabrielle in the in the novels, she's called Gabrielle, she's
50:37
Speaker 1: Gabriella in the show because she she's Italian, and Jennifer
50:42
Speaker 1: al is doing this crazy Italian accent. It is fucking insane.
50:47
Speaker 1: She sounds like it's a mem Mario. But in the
50:51
Speaker 1: novels Gabrielle is like so trans and like one of
50:58
Speaker 1: the first things she does as a vampire is cut
51:01
Speaker 1: off all her hair, and then she is distraught when
51:05
Speaker 1: the next day she wakes up and it has all
51:07
Speaker 1: grown back. It's one of sort of these like defining
51:10
Speaker 1: things about her character, about how she's this like genderless
51:15
Speaker 1: lioness and she you know, tells the stat like I'm
51:18
Speaker 1: not your mother anymore. I'm not even a woman anymore.
51:21
Speaker 1: In the show, she's very gendered. I mean, she's gendering herself.
51:26
Speaker 1: I think it's part of her you know, vampire armor
51:29
Speaker 1: and the way that she lures people in. But it
51:32
Speaker 1: just was something I was kind of disappointed to see
51:35
Speaker 1: removed from the character in the way we've seen her
51:39
Speaker 1: presented so far. So I mean, stay tuned. That could
51:44
Speaker 1: change and maybe it was just something that they didn't
51:49
Speaker 1: know how to deal with. I don't know, but I
51:53
Speaker 1: just kind of like justice for book. Gabrielle. She's so
51:57
Speaker 1: fucking cool.
52:01
Speaker 2: Speaking of I'm just googling photos of Gabrielle.
52:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of books, I did want to just like
52:07
Speaker 1: quickly go through a couple things I've read recently make
52:10
Speaker 1: some RECs. I shockingly have only read one Stephen King book.
52:16
Speaker 1: So far this month. The Dark Tower Drawing Up the Three,
52:19
Speaker 1: the next book in the Dark Tower series, my favorite
52:21
Speaker 1: of those books so far. I really loved it. Also,
52:26
Speaker 1: Mister Magic by Kirsten White was a good read. It's
52:29
Speaker 1: about this children's TV show that like everyone remembers from
52:35
Speaker 1: their childhood, but like there's no actual recordings of it,
52:40
Speaker 1: and it's this sort of like almost like creepy pasta
52:43
Speaker 1: urban legend, and this girl who has no memory of
52:47
Speaker 1: her childhood finds out that she was on the show
52:49
Speaker 1: and sort of gets drawn back into it. Really good
52:53
Speaker 1: plane read Hard Luck Jenny by David Sodergren. Really quick
52:58
Speaker 1: horror novella Petty by Sol me Back. Also a really
53:02
Speaker 1: quick corn novella that I read in one sitting Last
53:05
Speaker 1: Days by Brian Evanson. Similarly, I've been reading a lot
53:08
Speaker 1: of short books this month just to sort of pick
53:10
Speaker 1: myself out of a reading slump, and then this weekend
53:14
Speaker 1: I read So Thirsty by Rachel Harrison, the only book
53:16
Speaker 1: of hers I hadn't read yet, which is a fun
53:20
Speaker 1: vampire novel that's also kind of like Thelma and Louisy.
53:23
Speaker 2: We will be dropping all of these book titles in
53:27
Speaker 2: the episode description. And we also post occasionally post episode
53:33
Speaker 2: recaps on our substack. We cross posts on our substacks,
53:37
Speaker 2: so if you are looking to get into the reading
53:40
Speaker 2: list that Rose has, it'll all be there.
53:44
Speaker 1: And I think that's us. I think that's it for
53:46
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53:51
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