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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, January 5 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jaguars did you Juars did Jaguars time st John Ashley
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Speaker 1: Sell Jaguars con starts right now. Guy's certainly think there's
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of interest, uh, you know in this
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Speaker 1: much more so than the last time around. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: I also look at really, uh, you know, we're in
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Speaker 1: a much different and I would say a better position
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Speaker 1: today than we were a year ago. No surprise, there
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Speaker 1: is all kinds of interest for the head coach and
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Speaker 1: genne openings with the Jaguars. Over one million dollars in
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Speaker 1: cap space number one overall. Pick say less. Optimism is
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Speaker 1: in the air this morning, as it should be. You
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Speaker 1: just heard from Jaguars owner Shod Kan who met with
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Speaker 1: the media yesterday. You can check out that full press
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Speaker 1: conference right now on Jaguars dot com. Wokeman, Jaguars Drive
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Speaker 1: time on a Tuesday morning, Changing things up here this morning, guys,
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Speaker 1: overall impressions from that press conference. Only of two shows
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Speaker 1: left in this season, but very busy day yesterday, Brian,
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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts, Well, it's amazing how he turned
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Speaker 1: the the page and we didn't even focus on what
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Speaker 1: happened in and that's because of the situation they find
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Speaker 1: themselves in with the number one overall pick, and people
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Speaker 1: who are lining up to have a conversation with him
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Speaker 1: about the job. M you know, I'm sure your guy's
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Speaker 1: Twitter feed is so and so Terry Fontineau from the Saints,
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Speaker 1: Ray Farmer from the Rams, and he just name after
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Speaker 1: name after name, and I got the overwriting sense was
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Speaker 1: that he was going to take his time, and he
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to rush into anything, and and why not
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Speaker 1: take your time? Have the number one overall pick, you
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Speaker 1: know the direction you're headed, and whoever you hire is
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Speaker 1: going to have the same uh flexibility that you have
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Speaker 1: in building his staff. Because what offensive coordinator or quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: coach you know who wouldn't want to come and attach
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Speaker 1: their wagon to that of Trevor Lawrence. Great quarterbacks have
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Speaker 1: made careers for coaches. So whoever you hire is going
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Speaker 1: to likely get whoever they want to hire. So take
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Speaker 1: your time, let the process play out, do your homework,
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Speaker 1: don't be in a rush. And that was the sense
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Speaker 1: I got from him, the vibe I got um during
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Speaker 1: that news conference yesterday. Yes, no need to rush the search,
2:45
Speaker 1: but John, there was a little bit of rush of
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Speaker 1: closing that door of the season. Shot Kan spoke to
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Speaker 1: the media at ten thirty after they had just played
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Speaker 1: their final game the night before. UM, and I think
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Speaker 1: there was a purpose to that. You wanted to get
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Speaker 1: this over with as soon as possible and forward and
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Speaker 1: there is a reason to be optimistic this morning. Well,
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Speaker 1: there was no reason to wait. And I thought Shot
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Speaker 1: handled the Doug Marone questions as he would. There weren't
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Speaker 1: many because everybody knew that was coming. Everybody knew that's
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Speaker 1: what was going to be. I also thought Shod uh
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Speaker 1: made a relatively declarative statement in terms of you if
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Speaker 1: you if you want to know who's going to run this,
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Speaker 1: you're looking at him, and you know, there's been some
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Speaker 1: talk among fans. Why isn't Shod involved more? Uh, there's
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Speaker 1: been buzz about you know, why isn't that the case?
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Speaker 1: Why don't we see him more? Well, yesterday you saw him.
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Speaker 1: I've ever been a guy to talk a whole lot
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Speaker 1: locally or even nationally. He liked he prefers to step
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Speaker 1: back and let football people run it. Right, there's no
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Speaker 1: football people. But I think there was an element yesterday
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Speaker 1: if him saying you know what, you know, if the
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Speaker 1: buck's gonna stop, it's gonna stop at me and gonna
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Speaker 1: make sure I'm involved with this thing. It's gonna be
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Speaker 1: my decision and I'm gonna run this thing. So I
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Speaker 1: thought there was a little bit of that. M hmm.
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Speaker 1: So let's take a few moments to go over this
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Speaker 1: press conference because there were so many points to it.
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Speaker 1: The point that stuck out to me the most is
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Speaker 1: when Shad Khan addressed getting the guy. There is now
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Speaker 1: no secret that a franchise quarterback will be taken number
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Speaker 1: one overall. Certainly, we have a lot of salary cap
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Speaker 1: availability along with the draft picks and obviously the number
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Speaker 1: one pick. What what's evaded the history of the Jags
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Speaker 1: really has been a franchise quarterback. And I think what's
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Speaker 1: unique certainly is that we have the ability now to
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Speaker 1: make a choice and it's gonna define the franchise moving forward. Well, Brian,
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Speaker 1: that was never a secret and now it's just blatantly
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Speaker 1: out in the obvious that they will take a quarterback
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Speaker 1: number one. And I know you've been on that bandwagon
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Speaker 1: for months and you touched at the top of the shop.
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Speaker 1: You want to head coach and a general manager that
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Speaker 1: is known for developing young quarterbacks, that has to be
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Speaker 1: at the top of the list. You're seeing all of
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Speaker 1: these names floating around, but that is something that will
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Speaker 1: definitely be looked at well. And I know you're you
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Speaker 1: want to steer this towards that, but I got to
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Speaker 1: go back to the owner and and look, this was
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Speaker 1: the year to reset. Right. People use the word tank,
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Speaker 1: that's fine, um, but this was the year to reset.
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Speaker 1: And as he went through the laundry list, you know,
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Speaker 1: the draft picks in the salary cap room, it sounded
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Speaker 1: to me like a billionaire entrepreneur executing a plan. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't expect that shot contept. We're gonna say, hey, look,
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Speaker 1: we went into this year targeting the number one overall pick.
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Speaker 1: But you can't tell me that they didn't go into
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Speaker 1: the room with all the cards on the table last year,
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Speaker 1: understanding what they had and what they didn't have, and
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Speaker 1: where they were capable of getting and where they weren't.
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Speaker 1: This was never going to be a playoff team in
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Speaker 1: they didn't have the quarterback, and they gave away four
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Speaker 1: draft choices, a lot of talent, and in the process
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Speaker 1: have put themselves in an enviable situation. This to me,
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Speaker 1: and that yesterday was all the proof of my conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theory that I needed to believe that they wanted to
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Speaker 1: be in this position right here and right now, and
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Speaker 1: so and we'll talk. I'll talk in hot takes about coach,
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Speaker 1: which is why I'm kind of staying away from it
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Speaker 1: right now. But the reality of it is is that
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Speaker 1: a year ago, there was no hope. You've mentioned the
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Speaker 1: word optimism four or five times this morning. There was
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Speaker 1: They weren't changing the coach or the general manager, and
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Speaker 1: that generally gives people hope. The salary cap was a
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Speaker 1: wreck at that point, and the roster was aged out
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Speaker 1: without a quarterback. I mean, you're just thinking, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: where how can this thing possibly get off the ground?
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Speaker 1: How can they possibly succeed in one year's time. They
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Speaker 1: are in a position with everything they need to cement
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Speaker 1: this franchise's future that doesn't happen by accident. Guys. That's
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Speaker 1: a plan that's been executed. So now the next phase
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Speaker 1: of that plan is who do they hire. But as
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Speaker 1: I sat and listened to him yesterday, I just smiled
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Speaker 1: because I have said all along this season should be
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Speaker 1: about the reset, and that's what it was. They are
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Speaker 1: perfectly positioned now if they hire the right people to
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Speaker 1: succeed wildly in one year's time. Man, not many franchises,
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Speaker 1: not many businesses can get to that position so quickly. Yes,
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Speaker 1: a completely clean slate. And like we did mention head
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Speaker 1: coach Done Rown met with Shodkan yesterday morning and was
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Speaker 1: let go of head coach. So what does that mean
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the coaching staff, Someone asked Sean Kan.
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Speaker 1: The assistant coaches, I mean the ones that are under contract,
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Speaker 1: We're going to keep them. We have some good coaches here,
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Speaker 1: and I want the head coach, whoever that might be,
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Speaker 1: to be able to look at that and retain some
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Speaker 1: of them. But that would be the head coaches obviously decision.
8:02
Speaker 1: All right, So you just heard it here. It will
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Speaker 1: be the new head coaches decision on assistant coaches, coordinators,
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Speaker 1: you name it, and John There's a lot more that
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Speaker 1: goes into it than just those coaches. It's trainers, especially
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Speaker 1: now with the GM gone. It's trainers, loop operations, you
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Speaker 1: name it. Everything that is under a football team is
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Speaker 1: up for question this morning. And that's the crappy part.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.
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Speaker 1: But I look at someone, for example, like wide receivers
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Speaker 1: coach Keenan macartell, who obviously has great history with this
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Speaker 1: franchise and is a great coach. It's someone like that
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Speaker 1: that stands out to me. Of no matter who the
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Speaker 1: head coach comes in, maybe someone like that staves, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's possible. And look, you mentioned people losing their jobs,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of those people are friends. You go,
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Speaker 1: you go close to them over the years, but they
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Speaker 1: also get when they get into this business that there
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Speaker 1: are going to be times in transition. There's gonna be
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Speaker 1: January where they are making calls and trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out what's next. Very few, if any NFL people get
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Speaker 1: a job at twenty one and retire at that job
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Speaker 1: at sixt five. That's the reality of it. You know,
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Speaker 1: the way Shot did it, the way this team did it,
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Speaker 1: it's the way you do it. And I'm just talking
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Speaker 1: about assistance right now. You keep assistance under contract because
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Speaker 1: although it seems easy to compile an NFL staff, it's
9:21
Speaker 1: not easy to compile an NFL staff for an incoming code.
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Speaker 1: So by keeping the assistant, you give that vote your
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Speaker 1: new coach bare minimum. The option of keeping these guys
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Speaker 1: a lot of times the guys they want are if
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Speaker 1: they're working for say the cheap just to get a
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Speaker 1: team out there, well they're at a contract they can't
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Speaker 1: go get them, so there is a relatively limited pool
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Speaker 1: and compiling a staff is hard. This keeps options open,
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Speaker 1: and I do think a guy like Keenan McCardell jo
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Speaker 1: d camillis, I mean, there are guys who it makes
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Speaker 1: sense to take a serious look at. This isn't not
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Speaker 1: a bad staff. I've been standard all year. I expect
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Speaker 1: major change on turnover, but it wouldn't be surprising if
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Speaker 1: a couple of stayed because there's good people on this staff,
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Speaker 1: right and Brian, even if you look at maybe a
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Speaker 1: college coaching of the possibility, I would imagine that's even
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Speaker 1: harder when you're not in the NFL to than compile
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Speaker 1: a complete staff, never even coaching in the NFL before.
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Speaker 1: If you're with college right now, and there are some
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Speaker 1: candidates that are in college right now, well, and you
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Speaker 1: can bring guys from college with you, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of these guys have relationships in the NFL, and the
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Speaker 1: right general manager, the person that you bring in is
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Speaker 1: supposed to help, especially a young coach. If you go
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Speaker 1: if Urban Meyers the guy he can put his staff together,
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Speaker 1: you know right now, he can tell you who he wants.
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Speaker 1: But saying you go for the coach at Iowa State,
10:49
Speaker 1: just to throw a name out there, Matt Campbell, Um,
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Speaker 1: you know you hire the right general manager. He helps
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Speaker 1: put that staff together. To touch on what John just mentioned, though,
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Speaker 1: the contracts that you have with these assistant coaches are assets.
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Speaker 1: You don't just give them away. The new coach may decide, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring in my own offensive line coach, so
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let George Warhop go. Um, but you don't.
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Speaker 1: You don't take those assets and just discard discard them,
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Speaker 1: um without at least letting the new coach come in
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Speaker 1: and take a look and see what's there. And I
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Speaker 1: do think Warhop is one of those coaches that's worth
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Speaker 1: taking a good long look at. I thought he did
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Speaker 1: a terrific job this year. I read on ESPN this
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Speaker 1: morning that the Jaguars offensive line was a strength. Um.
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Speaker 1: We've been saying it here all year. Jake Gruden started
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Speaker 1: the conversation back in the late August or early September
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Speaker 1: when he said this group has been playing well and
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Speaker 1: it's going to be critical for success. And when you
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Speaker 1: go back and take a good hard look at the
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Speaker 1: offensive line, you will see a group that you can
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Speaker 1: really build around. There's gonna be some change there, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: But I think Warhop Maron gave him credit this year.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that he got enough credit outside the building.
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Speaker 1: I thought he did a really good job absolutely group
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Speaker 1: that was heavily criticized and at times not fair for
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Speaker 1: being criticized, because overall the offensive line was a strength.
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Speaker 1: We're back Jags Drive Time Tuesday Morning. This week brought
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Speaker 1: two shows left this season. Our last show is tomorrow morning,
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Speaker 1: but we still have big things to talk about. And
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Speaker 1: big thing one is Doug Marrone. While there was optimism yesterday,
14:46
Speaker 1: like I've said many times, the show yesterday it was crappy.
14:49
Speaker 1: There were definitely parts that were crappy and that was
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Speaker 1: head coach Dug Moron as well as many people losing
14:54
Speaker 1: their jobs. Yesterday, Doug Morow met the media for the
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Speaker 1: last time after Sunday's lost the Colts. It was last
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Speaker 1: press conference for him and this business is just that,
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Speaker 1: a business, but it can be tough at times, and
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Speaker 1: dud definitely shed some light on that. Ian Rappaport wound
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Speaker 1: up texting me the other day before he broke the
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Speaker 1: story with his sources, and I'll tell you what, I
15:20
Speaker 1: have a great amount of respect for that, I really do.
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Speaker 1: In other words, he was able to get that to
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Speaker 1: me so I can prep my family, you know, my children,
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Speaker 1: so you know they don't have to you know, hear
15:31
Speaker 1: it from their friends or anything like that. And I
15:33
Speaker 1: think that, you know, that's something I'll always, Um, I appreciate.
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Speaker 1: I think that when the record is, what are they
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Speaker 1: they think? You know, you have to be able to
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Speaker 1: expect those things. Um. You know. But like I said before, um,
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Speaker 1: you know I asked about it and it was it
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Speaker 1: was you know, it was like new news for us.
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Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what happens. A lot of
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Speaker 1: respect for head coach done her own and echo many
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Speaker 1: thanks for the way he treated us and everyone in
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Speaker 1: the Jaguar. His organization big thing to his building blocks.
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Speaker 1: The new general manager is going to have the task
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Speaker 1: of pulling back the layers of this roster, the many layers,
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Speaker 1: and where do you find the success and the potential
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Speaker 1: in this roster. You have some building blocks here and
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Speaker 1: you want to build on those. And the wide receivers
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Speaker 1: right now are just an example. If you can find
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Speaker 1: a way to get the ball in his hands, good
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Speaker 1: things are going to happen. I mean, he's one of,
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Speaker 1: if not the strongest receiver I've definitely I've been around
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Speaker 1: and I can't even really remember seeing. I mean, he's
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Speaker 1: like a running back when he gets the ball in
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Speaker 1: his hands, but he can run receiver routes. So, um,
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Speaker 1: he's so hard to bring down. He's so strong. UM.
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Speaker 1: I mean he's like a man child out there. Um.
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Speaker 1: So he's uh, you know, the future right for this
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Speaker 1: receiver group obviously with DJ with him, Um, I think
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Speaker 1: some of the guys might be free agents. But Collins
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Speaker 1: showed what he could do. Um, so we'll see you
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Speaker 1: see who's back. But I think Jacks fan should feel
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Speaker 1: good about their receiver group. That was quarterback Mike Glennon
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Speaker 1: talking about Lavisca Chennault in general, saying he was like
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Speaker 1: a man child out there. Big thing three is two
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six rushing yards against the Colts. Rookie
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Speaker 1: running back Jonathan Taylor ran all over this team and
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Speaker 1: at one point the run defense was I want to
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Speaker 1: call it a high point, but it was okay, it
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Speaker 1: was manageable at some point the season, and that storyline
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Speaker 1: is no longer at the end of the season, and
17:26
Speaker 1: we'll start right here, Brian. We talked about that the
17:28
Speaker 1: Jaguars have two picks in the first round, and obviously
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Speaker 1: you're going to take a quarterback number one, but to me,
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Speaker 1: interior defensive line. Fixing this run defense has to be
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Speaker 1: a priority because there were so many games where it
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Speaker 1: was the highlight of the game. We were talking about
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Speaker 1: this on Monday morning, saying, how do you fix this
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Speaker 1: run defense? And frankly, you just need more bodies well,
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Speaker 1: and you need big, strong bodies inside. And the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: that you know, I mean Tavian Brian, who we all
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Speaker 1: thought might build on the season finale in flamed out,
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Speaker 1: so there's nothing there. Davon Hamilton's meanwhile, the third round
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Speaker 1: pick this year from Ohio State, was was ascending this
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Speaker 1: season until he got hurt late in the year. You
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Speaker 1: need more Davon Hamilton's and just looking you know, a precursor. Right,
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Speaker 1: just looking at the draft, it doesn't appear like there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of top defensive tackle candidates available at
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Speaker 1: the top. So this may be an area that you
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Speaker 1: go and dive heavily into in free agency to find
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Speaker 1: some big bodies that can come in here and shore
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Speaker 1: it up. They tried, right, Rodney Gunter had the heart
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Speaker 1: issue and had to step away. Al Wood's stepped away
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Speaker 1: with covid Um. They've got to go back and find
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Speaker 1: big guys inside um. And again, this draft, at least
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Speaker 1: at the top, doesn't appear to be filled with that, right,
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Speaker 1: So maybe you do address that in free agency. And John,
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Speaker 1: we talked about building blocks and big thing too, and
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Speaker 1: wide receiver absolutely stands out there. I got asked the
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Speaker 1: question on a radio call, Yester A, was is James
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Speaker 1: Robinson the starting running back for the future. I said, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: So there are some building blocks there. But the job
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Speaker 1: for this new general manager to take a look at
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Speaker 1: every single position is going to take sometime. Well it is,
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Speaker 1: and I think running back is going to be intriguing
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Speaker 1: depending on the offense they run. I think James Robinson's great,
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Speaker 1: but I think you're gonna need something else there too.
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna need a speedback on third down,
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Speaker 1: depending on what they try to run. H I think
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19:37
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19:41
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19:43
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19:47
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19:49
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19:52
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Speaker 1: I've been asked a lot the last few weeks and
23:22
Speaker 1: especially the last few days about who the head coach
23:26
Speaker 1: should be. Are you looking for a down the field
23:28
Speaker 1: passing attack or you know, are you going to run
23:31
Speaker 1: a three four scheme? That old conversation. What I'm telling
23:34
Speaker 1: everybody is this character and culture count. Look for all
23:39
Speaker 1: the accolades that we can send to Doug Moron about
23:42
Speaker 1: the kind of person that he is. Um Ultimately, the
23:45
Speaker 1: fracturing of the locker room falls on the coach. It
23:48
Speaker 1: doesn't fall on the general manager, and you can't put
23:50
Speaker 1: it all on Tom Coughlin. But for the obvious right,
23:54
Speaker 1: the Jalen Ramsey's and all of those things, the culture
23:58
Speaker 1: wasn't strong enough to hold that together, and that goes
24:01
Speaker 1: to the coach. So I'm not looking for a particular
24:04
Speaker 1: scheme or a defensive philosophy. I'm looking for a strong
24:09
Speaker 1: leader of men, because that's what the head coach does.
24:12
Speaker 1: He hires an offensive coordinator for his offensive philosophy and
24:16
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator but the type of scheme he wants
24:18
Speaker 1: to run. But I'm looking for a man who comes
24:21
Speaker 1: in with a strong leadership, strong culture, and is the
24:27
Speaker 1: guy who leads these guys. That's the most important. And
24:30
Speaker 1: I'll give you the guy that I that I love
24:32
Speaker 1: because I know him. He was here. Is Robert Sala,
24:34
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator from the Niners. Now Here he was
24:37
Speaker 1: the linebackers coach and then he went to San Francisco
24:40
Speaker 1: became the defensive coordinator, and you saw the defense with
24:42
Speaker 1: the talent that he had and what he built, and
24:45
Speaker 1: the players out there talk about who he is as
24:47
Speaker 1: a person and what he brings to the table as
24:50
Speaker 1: a defensive mind. I'm telling you guys like that, strong
24:54
Speaker 1: leaders of men. They come through in interviews, they come
24:57
Speaker 1: through with the media. That's what That's what I want.
25:00
Speaker 1: That's what a team needs. That's what this team needs.
25:03
Speaker 1: A strong culture, a strong character guy to come in
25:06
Speaker 1: and to set the tone, especially because you are even
25:09
Speaker 1: with the building blocks that we've talked about. You're laying
25:11
Speaker 1: a brand new foundation with Trevor Lawrence, who himself appears
25:15
Speaker 1: to be a strong leader of men and a strong
25:17
Speaker 1: man of character. Bring me a coach who can work
25:20
Speaker 1: with that. That's what I'm looking for. I like it.
25:24
Speaker 1: Robert sala is definitely a guy that is in all
25:27
Speaker 1: the conversations for the head coach openings. I just saw
25:29
Speaker 1: that he finished an interview with the Atlanta Falcons yesterday,
25:32
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. But definitely a strong candidate.
25:35
Speaker 1: All right, John, what are you thinking? Well, I'll just
25:41
Speaker 1: see it first, you know, Okay, this is sort of
25:46
Speaker 1: It's not a counter to Bryan's because I completely agree
25:49
Speaker 1: that the head coach is far more about the leadership
25:52
Speaker 1: in the tone that he said, But the reality is
25:57
Speaker 1: personnel improvement or or bigger concern I feel in coaching,
26:02
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, who they get as the coach.
26:05
Speaker 1: They have their choice. They're going to get somebody who
26:08
Speaker 1: is a leader and a strong personality and a sets
26:10
Speaker 1: a tone. But there are significant personnel improvements that have
26:16
Speaker 1: to be made. I think some of them are on
26:17
Speaker 1: the Ross. I think got Josh Allen, C. J. Henderson,
26:21
Speaker 1: guys that they have who we feel like or maybe
26:23
Speaker 1: building blocks year two and development year and Josh Allen
26:28
Speaker 1: is gonna be a year two for example, because he
26:30
Speaker 1: really didn't play it much this year. Next step for
26:33
Speaker 1: these guys are going to be huge. If some of
26:36
Speaker 1: these potential guys can become production guys quickly, that'll be
26:41
Speaker 1: an untold story. The coach will get the credit for it,
26:43
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. But what we talked about, the quarterback
26:47
Speaker 1: has to work out, and overall, defensive tackle, middle of
26:51
Speaker 1: the defense, things like that. The personnel on this team
26:56
Speaker 1: was far more of an issue why they finished one
26:58
Speaker 1: in fifteen than the head coach. The head coach had
27:01
Speaker 1: to change, because you do. They've got to get the
27:04
Speaker 1: roster right, they've got to get better and experienced talent
27:08
Speaker 1: and a core going forward. Next year the coach, there
27:12
Speaker 1: will be improvement. He'll get credit for it. But all
27:15
Speaker 1: this had happened was not Doug Moron's fault. Absolutely not.
27:21
Speaker 1: You look at the two rosters, and it was every
27:23
Speaker 1: single week when you were comparing the roster to the
27:25
Speaker 1: opponent and saying there's no way. But yet there were
27:28
Speaker 1: still fights and there were still games that were close
27:31
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have been close. So agree with you there, John.
27:34
Speaker 1: My hot take is, don't pay attention to just the
27:37
Speaker 1: hot name. Oh my goodness. This weekend was something Sean
27:41
Speaker 1: Con addressed urban Meyer rumors, and while he didn't shy
27:44
Speaker 1: away that he could be a candidate option and he
27:46
Speaker 1: knows him from the Big Ten, they have not spoken.
27:49
Speaker 1: Rumors are called rumors for a reason. There's not been
27:53
Speaker 1: a phone call. They have not spoken. If you have
27:55
Speaker 1: not spoken, that means you cannot be interviewed. So Twitter,
27:59
Speaker 1: every anything else about urban Meyer. This weekend was crazy
28:02
Speaker 1: with that rumor. If you look at social media, you thought, oh,
28:04
Speaker 1: this is a done deal Sunday morning, though urban Meyers,
28:07
Speaker 1: the coaching minds will coach this game. Not the case.
28:10
Speaker 1: And this hottake says, cool off with the urban Meyer take.
28:14
Speaker 1: There are so many names, there are so many candidates.
28:16
Speaker 1: If you watch shod CON's press conference on Jaguars dot
28:19
Speaker 1: Com right now, you'll get the vibe that he is
28:21
Speaker 1: going to be patient and take his time with this.
28:24
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that urban Meyer is going to get
28:26
Speaker 1: hired tomorrow like some people think. John, It drove me crazy.
28:30
Speaker 1: Just cool off on it, there's other guys that are
28:32
Speaker 1: worth looking at, you know. Ah, that's like Slenna had
28:39
Speaker 1: a hard weekend. It was making me angry. Look, my
28:47
Speaker 1: gut is Urban is going to get the job. There
28:49
Speaker 1: are so many tea leaves out there saying it. If
28:52
Speaker 1: you had to guess, it looks like that's gonna happen.
28:55
Speaker 1: But John is going to go through his due diligence.
28:58
Speaker 1: He's going to keep it open and make sure he's
29:02
Speaker 1: hiring the right guy. H to me, where there's this
29:06
Speaker 1: much smoke, there's probably fire. But he's not the only
29:09
Speaker 1: good candidate. And our we live in a world where
29:14
Speaker 1: people want answers now, They want to have opinions and
29:17
Speaker 1: takes on Twitter. They want to do it now. I
29:19
Speaker 1: think it will happen relatively soon. But you're right, seland
29:23
Speaker 1: it was not going to happen Monday morning. There's plenty
29:26
Speaker 1: of time to find a head coach. But I do
29:28
Speaker 1: think it happens before Monday, for example. I think it
29:30
Speaker 1: happens in that shorter time. I agree with you there,
29:34
Speaker 1: But Brian, where us If I can only imagine the
29:37
Speaker 1: text and the calls and tweets that I was getting
29:39
Speaker 1: what you were getting saying, why is Norman Meyer the
29:41
Speaker 1: head coach yet tuesday? You both have a stronger Gator
29:47
Speaker 1: connection than I do. So Um. I actually got pushed
29:51
Speaker 1: back from people who said, why urban Meyer? I mean,
29:53
Speaker 1: why jump in with a guy who hasn't coached in
29:56
Speaker 1: the NFL. Not that that's not that that's a requirement.
30:00
Speaker 1: Here's my concern with urban Meyer since we're talking about him. Uh,
30:04
Speaker 1: you look at what Bill O'Brien did when he was
30:06
Speaker 1: given control in Houston, right, trading away draft choices like
30:11
Speaker 1: a drunken sailor, and and trading away DeAndre Hopkins, who
30:16
Speaker 1: made his quarterback. UM, I'm not sure if I'm hiring
30:21
Speaker 1: urban Meyer is my coach that I want urban Meyer
30:23
Speaker 1: in control of the roster. And Sean did say yesterday
30:26
Speaker 1: he's keeping control of the roster. But you know, a
30:29
Speaker 1: general manager and a coach, you're gonna gonna guide that conversation.
30:32
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want urban Meyer in control of
30:34
Speaker 1: my roster long term. I want a football guy in
30:38
Speaker 1: charge of that roster. I want a salary cap manager.
30:41
Speaker 1: I want somebody with the big picture in mind, not
30:44
Speaker 1: someone that can go and trade away something today that
30:47
Speaker 1: will help him tomorrow, but won't help him in. I'm
30:53
Speaker 1: very cautious about the old Bill Parcels quote. If I'm
30:57
Speaker 1: gonna be the cook, I ought to be able to
31:00
Speaker 1: buy the groceries. That's not my personal philosophy. I like
31:03
Speaker 1: there to be a separation of powers. I like somebody
31:06
Speaker 1: to work for the owner who has the owner's long
31:08
Speaker 1: term in mind, the macro, if you will, to the micro.
31:13
Speaker 1: Because coaches, and this is this is their nature. They think,
31:16
Speaker 1: I've got to have a left tackle right now, and
31:18
Speaker 1: so they go and they send the Miami Dolphins, you know,
31:21
Speaker 1: to ones and a two and four, and they give
31:24
Speaker 1: away the whole shop because that's what they need right now.
31:27
Speaker 1: Hard to blame them for wanting and needing things, but
31:30
Speaker 1: the general managers has no coach hold on. You know,
31:33
Speaker 1: those are valuable picks, and we're giving them away for
31:36
Speaker 1: a guy who doesn't catch touchdowns or doesn't throw touchdowns.
31:39
Speaker 1: Let's hold on here a second and think about our future.
31:42
Speaker 1: Um So that's my big concern with urban Meyer. You
31:46
Speaker 1: bring him in, he's never had to manage a salary
31:48
Speaker 1: cap before, uh and hasn't run up a personnel department before.
31:51
Speaker 1: And you're saying Hey, you've never done any of this.
31:54
Speaker 1: Here you go, it's all yours. I'd be cautious of that.
31:59
Speaker 1: Great points and want to take your time, interview all
32:01
Speaker 1: these candidates and build this right because you have all
32:04
Speaker 1: the potential and you want to do this the right
32:06
Speaker 1: way and shot con we all have faith will do
32:08
Speaker 1: that after watching that press conference yesterday. So those are
32:12
Speaker 1: your burning wood fired grill hot takes, and they were
32:14
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Speaker 1: look at the wild Card schedule this weekend. You have
34:15
Speaker 1: six games, three on Saturday, three on Sunday, So let's
34:18
Speaker 1: pull up the Saturday slate to get our thoughts. The
34:21
Speaker 1: first game that stands out, as of course, the first
34:24
Speaker 1: one in the team that we just saw, which was
34:26
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts taking on the Buffalo Bills. John, I
34:30
Speaker 1: will go to you on this because those Colts, that
34:33
Speaker 1: game was not supposed to be close, and it definitely
34:36
Speaker 1: became a bit of a nail biter for Indye against
34:38
Speaker 1: the Jaguars on Sunday, they're going to have to play
34:41
Speaker 1: a lot better to beat a team like the Bills. Yeah,
34:46
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it matters how well the
34:48
Speaker 1: Colts play it. The Bills to me are the second
34:50
Speaker 1: best game in the NFL, and I'd be surprised if
34:54
Speaker 1: they don't play the teeth. And I wouldn't be surprised
34:56
Speaker 1: if they beat the Chiefs. I don't think they will.
34:58
Speaker 1: But this Bills off is really really good. I mean,
35:02
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many people have seen them. They
35:04
Speaker 1: they've been on Prime Time. This is a team that, Yeah,
35:10
Speaker 1: I don't think they win the Super Bowl, but it
35:12
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as much of a shocks people might think.
35:14
Speaker 1: I think they roll in this. Josh Allen is Josh
35:20
Speaker 1: Allen's arm looks to me, uh better than Patrick Mahomes.
35:25
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure a lot of people would have
35:26
Speaker 1: said that, um coming into this year. Whatever they've done
35:30
Speaker 1: to get him right, because again I've told you, I
35:32
Speaker 1: watched Wyoming football and from that neck of the woods,
35:35
Speaker 1: I love it. So I watched a bit of that
35:38
Speaker 1: and I loved him coming out of college, and I
35:40
Speaker 1: acknowledged that he wasn't perfect. This year he's been almost perfect,
35:43
Speaker 1: and his arm is explosive, I mean really explosive. There's
35:48
Speaker 1: not a throw he can't make from anywhere on the field.
35:52
Speaker 1: I think they could beat Kansas City too. All right,
35:55
Speaker 1: let's look at the last game on Saturday, because I
35:58
Speaker 1: think that is definitely an interesting one as well. It's
36:01
Speaker 1: the Bucks and the Washington football team. John if the
36:05
Speaker 1: Buccaneers lose this, it'll be a huge upset in the
36:08
Speaker 1: Tom Brady saga, It'll all come to an end and
36:10
Speaker 1: they'll be very sad Bucks fans. But what a story
36:13
Speaker 1: that would be. On the other hand, for head coach
36:15
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, for the Washington football team, all the adversity
36:18
Speaker 1: that he has been through this year too, then beat
36:20
Speaker 1: the Bucks in the wild card would be something. Yeah,
36:24
Speaker 1: and it's that impossible. I mean, if you look at
36:26
Speaker 1: the history of teams that have made it in with
36:28
Speaker 1: losing records, and I think the washingt football team was
36:31
Speaker 1: seven and nine, but they actually there's a pretty good
36:37
Speaker 1: record of those teams getting the playoffs and winning their
36:40
Speaker 1: first game. The Buck we're shaky at times this season,
36:45
Speaker 1: not unexpected with a new quarterback, even as great as
36:47
Speaker 1: Brady is, coming into a new system with no offseason,
36:51
Speaker 1: not surprising that they were sort of a work in progress.
36:54
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I can't pick Washington to win this game.
36:58
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks were rolling this one, so uh
37:00
Speaker 1: you know, but history shows you that a lot of times,
37:05
Speaker 1: I guess because they had that home field advantage. Games
37:08
Speaker 1: of losing records fair better than you expect. Seattle and
37:13
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Right was that eight nine years ago, ten
37:15
Speaker 1: years ago where Marshawn Lynch beast Quake and went on
37:19
Speaker 1: that run. The sat Short's terrific team, um and the
37:23
Speaker 1: Seattle got him at home. I don't think that that
37:27
Speaker 1: Washington has the quarterback play too offset Tom Brady, but
37:32
Speaker 1: they sure do have the defense. I think it's going
37:34
Speaker 1: to be closer than you think. I think Washington will
37:37
Speaker 1: have a chance. Will be a game worth watching, that's
37:42
Speaker 1: for sure. Not Let's quickly go to Sunday's game. Three
37:44
Speaker 1: games on Sunday as well, which means we will all
37:46
Speaker 1: be glued to the couch not being and of course
37:49
Speaker 1: watching these games. Let's go to the last game, Cleveland
37:53
Speaker 1: Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers. John, we just watched this game.
37:56
Speaker 1: Happened last week. They will meet again. This is going
37:59
Speaker 1: to be interesting. In the steel there should have some
38:00
Speaker 1: guys back. For example, Ben Roethlisberger is one of them.
38:03
Speaker 1: We didn't see him last week when they took on
38:05
Speaker 1: the Browns. Yeah, you would think that Steelers win it,
38:09
Speaker 1: but it's a they stumbled into the playoffs. I think
38:12
Speaker 1: it was four losses in the last five games. The
38:14
Speaker 1: one of the Browns they didn't have their guys, so
38:16
Speaker 1: you kind of discount that they lost three in a
38:18
Speaker 1: row after going eleven And oh, I I've got to
38:22
Speaker 1: go with the Steelers here because of experience at quarterback,
38:25
Speaker 1: uh in their history. But you know, I think this
38:29
Speaker 1: is a good one. It's a huge one for the
38:31
Speaker 1: Browns because they got in this year, still have to
38:35
Speaker 1: prove themselves that they belong a little bit. If they win,
38:40
Speaker 1: this makes this a mammothly successful season for them. I um,
38:45
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the top because I'm
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Speaker 1: not as interested in the other games as I am
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Speaker 1: the first one. Remember last year the Titans went in
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Speaker 1: and beat the Ravens in Baltimore, and that's with Lamar
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Speaker 1: Jackson and his MVP season, or this year the roles
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Speaker 1: are reversed. And remember there's there was a stretch where
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Speaker 1: the Ravens lost four of five and people were, you know,
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Speaker 1: rightfully dubious of what that team was. And then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, they got guys back from COVID and
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Speaker 1: guys started to get healthy. They won their final five games. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I just have a sense
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Speaker 1: that the Ravens are going to pull the upset this
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Speaker 1: year that the Titans did last year. I think there's
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Speaker 1: something dynamic about that team. They assembled it with you know,
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Speaker 1: the unique and got ways and Clay has Campbell trades
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Speaker 1: for sure. Um, but the young running back JK. Dobbins
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Speaker 1: and mark Ingram has been he's been resting on the sidelines.
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Speaker 1: They've got the ability to go in there and punch
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Speaker 1: the Titans in the mouth. It's tough to imagine that,
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Speaker 1: necessarily because the Titans punch everyone in the mouth. But
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Speaker 1: I I like the Ravens in this game. I'm excited
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Speaker 1: to watch that game, a rematch of a great game
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Speaker 1: last year. I remember sitting in the Fort Lauderdale Airport
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Speaker 1: watching that game and my mom saying, let's go. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna be late to our flight, and I said, no, no, Rose,
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Speaker 1: I must watch this game. And I was on time
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Speaker 1: to the flight and it was a great game. I
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Speaker 1: remember that much. That is wild Card scheduling for this weekend,
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Speaker 1: and that is our show, Jaguar's Drive Time. We're not
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Speaker 1: done yet. Our last show of the season is tomorrow
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Speaker 1: right here at nine am. Come celebrate with us and
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Speaker 1: look forward. We will see you tomorrow