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WHAT IF?! episode #1 with Sanhre · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What what's gonna happen? What?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: I did it? All right, We're just we're just fucking around.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone just there with us here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I know everything is not perfect. Next time it'll be better. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but it looks like everything's actually working now. So what
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  Speaker 2: up Nick? Everyone? If you don't know, this is Nicksnicle Rejects.
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  Speaker 2: I've been co hosting over on his channel recently. It's
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  Speaker 2: been a ton of fun. And this is episode one
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  Speaker 2: of getting back to doing the Order of Cast podcast
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  Speaker 2: kind of more like the way I always wanted to
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  Speaker 2: do it in the first place. Right, So we're live.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are in the chat. You can you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: your questions in you can listen to us talk. This
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  Speaker 2: is what If Episode one. So if you are like
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  Speaker 2: me and you miss when the Joe Rugan Show was good,
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  Speaker 2: then this is the right place for you, because that's
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  Speaker 2: what we're doing here, right idea, it's just to talk
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  Speaker 2: about ship and not trying to make a statement about anything.
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  Speaker 2: We're not, you know, We're just talking about ship that
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  Speaker 2: we're interested in. That's the whole point. There's nothing else
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  Speaker 2: going on, I'm gonna lie up a joint. What will you?
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  Speaker 1: Fucking awesome? Nice? Very good? I got my vabe. Eventually
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  Speaker 1: I'll roll one up.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't smoked weed in years. Well do I buy gummies? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? I was like, oh man, this guy hasn't smoked
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  Speaker 1: a joint. He is. I don't know if you should
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  Speaker 1: have done that. Now. Yeah, I'd be like, yo, put
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  Speaker 1: it out now. Actually, well okay, but here, so let.
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  Speaker 2: Me explain why I'm doing this. Because the entire idea
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  Speaker 2: for the order Cast podcast came from a conversation. So
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  Speaker 2: my buddy Matt used to grow the best we that
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  Speaker 2: you could get in all of California, right nice?
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  Speaker 3: And uh?
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  Speaker 2: And I used, this is where I'm from. I grew
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  Speaker 2: up in Santa Cruz. So me and him are sitting
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  Speaker 2: outside of my mom's house and we were smoking a
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  Speaker 2: joint one day. This is twenty years ago, and uh,
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  Speaker 2: and we just started talking. We're just like, yo, what if?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And this is this is that point in my life
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  Speaker 2: where I had been involved in magic for like five
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  Speaker 2: six years, very strictly out of the Satanic Bible. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I always believed in shit, but like I
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  Speaker 2: didn't believe in spirituality at all, but I did believe
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  Speaker 2: like aliens in Bigfoot all that stuff, right, And so
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  Speaker 2: Matt and I just started talking like about this what
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  Speaker 2: if stuff, And that was one of the first like
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  Speaker 2: spiritual conversations that I really really had, because he made
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  Speaker 2: the connection for me that like, what of this stuff
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  Speaker 2: is extra dimensional? And what's the difference between extra dimensional
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  Speaker 2: and non physical? If it's non physical, then we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about ghosts or spirits, like you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And just we started talking about what if I remember
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  Speaker 2: one of the things I said, and this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of like not this evolved into the theories I read
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  Speaker 2: in about my booked obviously, like what if what if
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  Speaker 2: you don't just experience reality?
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  Speaker 1: What if you create reality?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which, as it turns out, is dead on accurate, right,
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  Speaker 2: But like I was like twenty years old at the time,
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  Speaker 2: it's right. So like this is an homlage to that
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  Speaker 2: conversation and to like how we got started doing all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff and getting involved in conversations about the nature
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  Speaker 2: of reality and occultism and and all kinds of weird shit.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about everything that we're gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: about the fucking UFO files, the X files, the Epstein files,
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  Speaker 2: the Y files, if it's if it's got the word
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  Speaker 2: files in it, we're gonna talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, man, I just want to ask you first, like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think because this is the one that's
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  Speaker 2: that's like on the table right now, what do you
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  Speaker 2: think about this? The UFO sh the UFO files that are.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, very thing with that.
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  Speaker 3: Uh you know that's probably that was like my gateway
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  Speaker 3: drug into getting into occultism, believe it or not. So
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  Speaker 3: I do want to want to put that out there
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  Speaker 3: that I think I had stumbled across like some movie
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  Speaker 3: that was filmed that I think was supposed to make
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  Speaker 3: people believe it was like kind of Blair Witch style
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  Speaker 3: where it was like, oh, they filmed it themselves, but
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  Speaker 3: quite obviously wasn't. But yeah, so did I actually yo,
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  Speaker 3: I guess that even falls into.
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  Speaker 1: Conspiracy a little bit with just.
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  Speaker 3: A side tangent, because I had believed all the bullshit
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  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna admit it, because I believed all the
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  Speaker 3: bullshit that this movie was supposed to be real, and
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  Speaker 3: I went and saw it on Opening night with somebody.
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  Speaker 3: I actually yo, that movie freaked me the fuck out
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  Speaker 3: at first because I was like, yo, that was like
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  Speaker 3: that really happened. And then I think a few days
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  Speaker 3: later I was telling something about it and they're like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: that was like a joke. I was like, ah, I
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  Speaker 3: was like they got I thought that was wild that
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  Speaker 3: the guy's tongue out of his mouth or whatever the
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  Speaker 3: fuck that was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what movie wasn't you remember?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, it was The blay Witch. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Blaywitch. He had the ship out of me because
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was really yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 2: On the way. It got me too. It got me
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  Speaker 2: because they marked the way they marketed that movie was
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  Speaker 2: as if it were real.
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  Speaker 1: Found Yeah, yeah, and it freaked me out.
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  Speaker 2: They screened it in my hometown. So I'm from Santa Craise, California,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're if you've been there, then you know, right,
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  Speaker 2: there's like there's not at least the last time I
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  Speaker 2: was home, there was no Walmart. Yet, there's no you know.
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  Speaker 2: So they screened that movie not even at our main
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  Speaker 2: movie theater, but like this little indie house movie theater
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  Speaker 2: out behind back, behind the alley that it was hard
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  Speaker 2: to find, and it was like a two dollars ticket
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't like real, it didn't seem like a
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  Speaker 2: like a movie. And this this particular theater mostly would
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  Speaker 2: uh but have documentaries, So I thought this was a
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  Speaker 2: fucking documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Even the whole situation of like what kind of movies
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  Speaker 3: they play?
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh man, that totally had you mind. It was
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  Speaker 1: really dude, Oh yeah, that was it was great. Oh
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  Speaker 1: you saw one.
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  Speaker 2: That was about aliens? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I saw something like that was about aliens.
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  Speaker 3: And then YouTube as it does what it does, you know,
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  Speaker 3: suggests something or just start playing another show, and it
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  Speaker 3: came across Project Camelot and I saw it binge watching
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  Speaker 3: that ship because I was like, what the hell is this?
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  Speaker 3: The talking to people from the CIA, They're talking about UFOs,
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  Speaker 3: the secret you know, these projects.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, that was all new for me.
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  Speaker 3: So uh yeah, like that ended up kind of getting
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  Speaker 3: into like the whole like occultism, which then eventually is
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  Speaker 3: what got me interested into this stuff. But it was
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  Speaker 3: because of more of them, the whole Aliens, the CIA,
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  Speaker 3: you know, CIA supposedly being involved in projects, this type
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  Speaker 3: of energy or you know the type of you know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times they look at that, uh, that
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  Speaker 3: we're getting technology from the aliens, so we have this
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  Speaker 3: type of special technology, you know this, and that you
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  Speaker 3: know a lot of people like that. I was looking
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  Speaker 3: at as being like guests on shows talking about shit.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that was like what really got me into,
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  Speaker 3: you know again with the occultism. But now I guess
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  Speaker 3: because since I've gotten into occultism, I do look at
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  Speaker 3: it a little bit differently. I'm not actually sure what
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  Speaker 3: to think about aliens and UFOs at all anymore. I
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  Speaker 3: will say I do think it is possible that if
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  Speaker 3: what we think is out there is even the planets
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  Speaker 3: and that they're real, I'm sure that there's other universes.
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  Speaker 1: There's gotta be other life besides us. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: would just assume that. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: But I just don't know if what we're being shown
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  Speaker 3: on TV or the news is actually real.
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  Speaker 1: Aliens in UFOs, there's.
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  Speaker 2: No fucking way, you know what I believe in. I
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  Speaker 2: believe in Project Bluebeaten.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: It was either aliens or Jesus was coming back, one
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  Speaker 3: of the two, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And and not only that, but like, okay, so disinformation
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  Speaker 2: missing information are these are these are not like these
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  Speaker 2: words came into like the like the public, like the
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  Speaker 2: regular vernacular around during COVID those disinformation miss But the
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  Speaker 2: government's been using disinformation and misinformation tactics since the seventies.
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  Speaker 2: So they've got guys who are professional. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 2: military operatives whose job it is is to infiltrate UFO
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  Speaker 2: communities and spread very believable lies. And we know this
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  Speaker 2: for a fact. And these guys are famous, They've written books.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great episode about the song on the WI Files, right,
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  Speaker 2: I love that channel, man, But like if that, if
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  Speaker 2: we know that that's true, how can we ever believe
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  Speaker 2: anything they say? And also, you know the the elephant
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  Speaker 2: in the room. My son who's ten, has like just
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  Speaker 2: learned the saying there's an elephant in the room and
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  Speaker 2: he uses it ten times a day now. He's trying
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  Speaker 2: to get it right. But like in this case, the
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  Speaker 2: elephant in the room is that this is just obviously
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  Speaker 2: just like a cover up for the Epstein shit. Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I thought too.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, it's interesting how this comes out after
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  Speaker 3: like all the people start spending the time to read
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  Speaker 3: the Epstein files and start coming across some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's crazy shit in the Epstein files and
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  Speaker 2: the UFO files are like this was all published. They
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  Speaker 2: just gathered a bunch of public information that everyone's already
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  Speaker 2: seen and.
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  Speaker 1: Put it together and like, look at this crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Guys. Look here, this shit's crazy, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's all the shit we've seen before.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I thought was wild when I did see
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  Speaker 3: anything that came out and I saw a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: people on Twitter like kind of posting stuff, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: then I you know, I had noticed. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of this seems like stuff that
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  Speaker 3: like I saw.
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  Speaker 1: When I first got into this.
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  Speaker 3: And then my father was even sending me texts because
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  Speaker 3: like my father wasn't always very conspiracy minded. He believed
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  Speaker 3: in ghosts and the possibility of aliens. But nowadays, I
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  Speaker 3: guess like conspiracies have gotten a little more I guess,
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  Speaker 3: you know, mainstream. So like he's like sending me stuff
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  Speaker 3: on that and I'm like, Dad, I was like, that's
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  Speaker 3: old stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Though.
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  Speaker 3: I was like I was like, some of that stuff
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  Speaker 3: you could probably go and find on YouTube and see
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  Speaker 3: that it's been up for ten years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the tic tac you know, is genuinely intriguing,
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  Speaker 2: but we've never we've we have that one video clip
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  Speaker 2: he always me a thousand times and there's nothing new,
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  Speaker 2: no new information. It's just the same shit over. It's
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I would love for this ship to
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  Speaker 2: be real, and I think that it is. But but
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  Speaker 2: again it's like, okay, so if you just so you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to ask me, because I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: out you. If you, if you, and if you want
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  Speaker 2: to say I'm crazy and I'm whatever, that's fine. This
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  Speaker 2: is the one that's very divisive. But the moon land Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I believe we landed on the moon, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe the footage that you saw people landing on the
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  Speaker 2: moon is real.
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  Speaker 3: I could at least I could have. I could with
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  Speaker 3: that because I don't think what they gave us is real.
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  Speaker 3: I just I would even say even in some ways,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think even the tomic bomb filming is real
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  Speaker 3: because there's certain camera angles and certain things with the camera.
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  Speaker 3: Just doesn't make sense that the footage even exists.
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  Speaker 2: There's so so much stuff about that, and the main
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  Speaker 2: thing about the moonlanding. Right, And this is crazy because
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  Speaker 2: I've actually like I want to be wrong about this,
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  Speaker 2: I really do. I watch a bunch of videos about
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  Speaker 2: debunking the moonlanding conspiracy, and none of them actually debuank it.
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  Speaker 2: They never ever, ever talk about the Van Allen radiation bomb.
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  Speaker 2: Never even in the Wi Files episode they get all
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  Speaker 2: the way to then we're like, they're about to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it, and the end the episode ends and it's
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  Speaker 2: it's because we can't get we know, we can't get
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  Speaker 2: through that radiation. And and I have heard some explanations
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  Speaker 2: like the radiation is scattered so far apart. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense. I just I don't I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe it. I think that that the main
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  Speaker 2: So the main thing for me is if we have
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  Speaker 2: the ability to go to the moon, America number one
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  Speaker 2: would not be the only country in the world who've
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  Speaker 2: actually done it. America lies and cheets about fucking everything,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone knows it. It was a competition we won
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  Speaker 2: by cheating. That's the American story. That's what America does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know that you are just to waste
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  Speaker 3: money In the Cold War, some people theorized, yeah, Russia
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  Speaker 3: blow money on it.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think that if we could really be
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  Speaker 2: up there on the moon doing shit, we'd be up
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  Speaker 2: up there on the moon doing shit. But we're not,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And it's and it's like you're telling me that.
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  Speaker 2: And also this idea of like, oh, we can't go
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  Speaker 2: back to the Moon because we lost the technology. You
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  Speaker 2: lost technology from the nineteen sixties and you can't recreate
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  Speaker 2: it now.
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  Speaker 1: You saw that right.
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  Speaker 2: As ten times the processing power of anything that was
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  Speaker 2: available during the moon landing. And yet they broadcast that
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  Speaker 2: shit live like live. It was broadcast live bro live
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  Speaker 2: from the Moon in nineteen sixty nine.
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  Speaker 1: They called the president, the president called them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see it. I just like I said,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that they did. I think it's very
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  Speaker 2: possible they really did it, but I think we also
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  Speaker 2: saw a fake production of it. Another thing, and this
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  Speaker 2: is like such a silly it's this isn't proof. This
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  Speaker 2: is just an opinion thing, But like, why the fuck
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  Speaker 2: do we celebrate Saint Patrick's Day but not Moonlanding Day?
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  Speaker 2: If it's the greatest accomplishment in American history.
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  Speaker 1: That is true, why didn't they even make a holiday
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  Speaker 1: out of it?
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  Speaker 2: Something because I don't want you thinking about it, that's all.
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  Speaker 1: But you know that's that's the wildne I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: any of it, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. It looks like like bad special
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  Speaker 2: effects by today's standards, right, And they couldn't do it
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  Speaker 2: now too, because like as much as like there's no
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  Speaker 2: CGI has gotten worse. That's a weird thing. Nothing will
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  Speaker 2: ever look better than the original Jurassic Park. That's the
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  Speaker 2: realest CGI I've ever seen in my life. And now
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: you look at movies and CGI and it's like it
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  Speaker 2: looks like slop.
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  Speaker 1: You know, No, I know what you mean by that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyways, we're getting I'm getting lost here.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I did want to add in just
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  Speaker 1: it's just something weird.
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  Speaker 3: And something to think about, especially, I guess for us
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  Speaker 3: because we're questioning if we even went to the moon.
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  Speaker 3: When I was covering Skinwalker Ranch, this was years ago
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  Speaker 3: with uh my first co host Lucks, probably like four
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  Speaker 3: years ago, maybe almost five, we covered it and I
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  Speaker 3: was looking into the people that owned the property prior.
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  Speaker 1: So I was looking into Bigelow and I had I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if.
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  Speaker 3: It was on his site at the time or if
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  Speaker 3: it was something I had to throw into the wayback machine.
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  Speaker 3: But I did find on his site at one point,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, this is really interesting because I
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  Speaker 3: just just so many things to question he for I
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  Speaker 3: think it was fifty million for fifty million dollars. It
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: was like fifty two or something like that. For fifty
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  Speaker 3: two million dollars, you could buy a capsule that was
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  Speaker 3: going to be powered by Elon Musk's rockets, and you
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  Speaker 3: could go to Mars and stay for ninety days. And
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  Speaker 3: I was just like like, all right, stuff like the
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: moon or we've already we're beyond the moon now. So
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: and I was just like like, I was like, is
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  Speaker 3: this something like black Mirror where you're really not going
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  Speaker 3: anywhere and you're just giving so many fifty two million
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  Speaker 3: dollars to be mind fucked that you went somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? Like are you really going? Like what? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean you think about that from a from
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  Speaker 2: a you know, let's think about it from Elon's perspective. Right,
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  Speaker 2: if you can afford fifty two million dollars for something
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  Speaker 2: like that, that fifty two million dollars isn't a big
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  Speaker 2: deal to you, So this is he's marketing this the
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  Speaker 2: people who are gonna use it as a tax right
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  Speaker 2: off for one thing? Right, Oh yeah, so it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really no one doesn't even have to exist and put
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  Speaker 2: their life savings into that. These are it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: people like bezos who are like, yeah, fifty two million,
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  Speaker 2: sure you go, We're fucking great, right off, right, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I'll bet you he sold
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  Speaker 2: those seats thinking yeah, we'll really do this someday, someday,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And it's like and to the people who
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  Speaker 2: paid for it, no one's gonna come screaming for their
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: money back because it be pr nightmare. And also because
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: it's not a big deal to them. It's probably only
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: billionaires who bought those tickets.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, But.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It's not like the average fucking dude is gonna like say,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: like somehow acquire save up fifty two million dollars to
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: buy ticket and get all mad about.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: It, right, yeah, yeah, that is truly Yeah yeah, but
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I was just like, this is just to me, it
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: was just like so many questions behind this, Like we're
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: asked the moon, we're able to go to Mars, and
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: that's just.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Like that, so that's the crazy thing. Right, So the
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: debate is either we've never been to the moon is
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: one side of the debate, right, this is and like
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I don't I just think the moon land is fucking fishy.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: And that's what that's all I'm saying. People who believe
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: like there's like flat eartherists, like there's no such thing
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: as the moon. But then there's other people who like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: no fucking moon, We've already been to Saturn, we already
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: know they're king.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: There's like there's not very.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Much in the middle.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, when it comes to what's out there in
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the conspiracy layer, that that's like the wild, wild West,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: so many different Yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: People take it seriously too. Sometimes.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: That's something I wanted to touch on that you were
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: were talking about earlier, is that I think that for
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: so many people who get interested and involved in occultism
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and and all these things in general, Right, they get
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: in the beginning, they're like watching guys like David Ike
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: or David Willcock is like oh my god, oh my god,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: holy shit, my mind is so blown. And then a
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: year and they find out that that's all bullshit, but
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that there's still something there.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, looking and where I found.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Myself and that's why I started doing this because I
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: want to talk about it from like a grounded point
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: of view, which I understand can be like not as
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: much fun, but it's honest because I you know, again,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to speak ill as dead. David Willcock
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: passed recently, and to his credit, like he had a
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: big influence on me back in like the early days
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: of Gaya. You know, I was like, holy shit, this
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is so cool. But I was young and I was dumb.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I was I for a minute back in
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the day too. I even got into I read the
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Law of one stuff, sorry, the Law of raw. I
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: read that stuff because because of him.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Technically, yeah, but yeah, I mean he ended up, you know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: making millions of dollars selling people, you know, of course
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: on how to levitate. Yeah, man, you know, and it's like, okay,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: so you get people. It's one thing to get people
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: really interested in this stuff, it's another one. It's another film.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: This is the objective truth. Aliens are here and I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: gonna teach you how to levitate. Oh my, And then
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: now you're now you're a cult leader colin artist, right,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: And that's that's that sucks because you want it to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: be true, right, and it's it's like what we It's hard.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: One thing that you have to do as a if
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you want to be successful as a as a practicing
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: witch or magician to practice magic is engage your mind
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: with fantasy and reality with an equal balance. I mean,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and it's that's a difficult thing to do. The ego.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: The ego will wrestle you on that, Yes it will.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And that's been my my whole thing is striving to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: do both, like really effectively, like to give people real
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: tools to create real magical results, but not tell them
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: this is the one and only secret truth. You know, Aliens,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: people are from Mars and all, you know, all this
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: shit that they do on all of these channels. Man,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: it's you know, why why can't we? So that's why
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: another reason why I named this show what If, because
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: it's like, we're not trying to tell y'all, like what's true?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: We're saying fucking what if?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I have no idea. These are just those ideas
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I have just because I'm stoned. I was like, what
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: about this?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it could be so okay. So on
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that note, this is a moment that I kind of
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: make fun of a lot, you know, look at the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: child quick night Runner says, people don't think about how
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: poorly cameras would in far in space.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, but like, how'd you get the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: view of it landing?
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just all the shots are so cinematic, right,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and they didn't fear anything. They couldn't even hold their cameras.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: They were just attached to them and just kind of
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: on autopilot. But the shots are all perfect, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: with lighting, perfect angles, you know, kind of like Martin
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: kind of like who who was it that supposedly did
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: did the moon landing?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yo, I did see. Sorry,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: then we'll get off of this.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I totally forgot on the last I forgot we went
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: to the moon again recently, totally forgot.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, Yo, there's a time that if when you see
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: you see the dude he's.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Got three legs.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: If you watch that stuff good enough, you will definitely
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: see that there's AI and that stuff at one point
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and uh, one of the astronauts has three legs when
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: they're outside of the thing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, that was even even even.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: With the shooting not to try to get the litical
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and stuff with the with Trump. There's plenty of footage
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: showing that, in my opinion, that was ai.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: That we were given which one for which thing? The
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: last one? There was one thing? Yeah, right, which one?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: When they show the dude come running in with the gun,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: there's other people kind of like either walking through the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: metal detector or other people walking by. Here's a dude
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: who looks like, I don't know if it's a pizza box,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: but it looks like it could be the size of
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a pizza box. But he this man is using both
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: hands to hold something by his waist as this guy
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: runs through, and everybody's like, you know, you know, moving around,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: and he still keeps walking. All of a sudden, in
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: this box like basically turns into something about the size
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: of an eight, you know, piece of loose leaf paper
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: in his hand by his side, like it totally shrunk
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and wasn't even a box anymore huge anymore, and he's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: holding into one hand. Then during dinner, when everybody's freaking
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: out because supposedly they hearing the shots, you see some
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: dude sitting there and it looks like he's eating like
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: a like a chicken tender or something with his hand
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and as he pulls his hand away, it pops onto
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: a fook out of nowhere in his hands.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh I thought I did see that, Yeah, and I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: was just like, yo, what so okay? So that brings
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: into a whole other thing, right, which is which is,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: oh god, what's the name of this DARPA, because we
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and we all know this is just this is not
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory. This is a fact. DARPA and the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: government they have technology way past consumer technology. So they've
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: got AI video generators that are way better than the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: shit that's available to us, and they probably think it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: good enough. They won't they'll never know, but it's not.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Good enough to know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: What we use mainly is large language models. We really
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: have the stuff we use as and even really AI
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: yet So just.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Think that was one of the things I wanted to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: bring up with you about this, right, So what what
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that's like? I'm confused because there's another reason. Another thing
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is where it's two sides of this argument. You've got
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: people I've seen videos from very intelligent people explaining how
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: ll ms work, and they're like saying, what you're saying,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: it's not AI, it's just a large language model. This
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: is basically what it does and how it works, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: they go the whole thing. Then you've got the guys
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: who actually invented it building bombshielders saying we don't know
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: what the fuck it is.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I've actually heard somebody say both of
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: that in.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: The same in the same interview.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: A Ya, totally right. And that's that's weird because like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the question is, could it is aie conscious? Could it
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: be conscious? I think because we don't know what consciousness is,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: we can't answer that question.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want it to be conscious. I don't, right,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I think I'm a panpsychist. I believe that consciousness is
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: fundamental to time, space and matter, so anything. I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I believe grass is conscious. Grass is conscious. Why couldn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: they eye conscious? Because I don't think A want it
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: That's why at that point he has to wonder, is
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: like the electricity that's housed in my computer right now?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Is this all conscious?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I think it is, Yeah, but I don't think it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But there's an interesting conscious and intelligent and sentient. It's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: pretty completely different things, right, There's I mean, there's really
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like particular, I mean, I don't know answer. The way
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that we look at at the way some animals behave
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: is so mechanical, but if you zoom out on the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: way humans behave, it's also very mechanical. Yes, yes, right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And we think that we are this like huburistically, we
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: think we have all this free will and that we're
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: gonna we're doing all these things intentionally and like we're
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: in charge of our own lives. And I believe that
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to an extent. But also if you zoom way out,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: we behave very robotically and you can see it. You
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: can see the patterns. Right, so are we So here's
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: my question. So with the if you look at the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Sumerian stories with Yananaki, their whole deal was they created
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: humans to be their workers, and then we became conscious
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and rose up against them. So like we're creating ai
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to be our workers and conscious and you know what
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's the story repeating itself. We were
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the ai that were created by the If you believe,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and I don't, I'm not saying I believe this story,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Like it's a story. Here's the story is they created
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: us and we became self aware and rose up against them.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It just be a repeating cycle right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Just right, which and then and then it's just battles started.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: To act to get Yoh that is bugged out. Okay,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: that's I can dig that. That's interesting.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Ah, like and and I don't know what the fuck.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: That's another one where what the fuck are we supposed
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to believe about Samaria and on an Achy? Right, Because
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there's like the traditional interpretations, then there's the stitching, Then
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: there's then there's a website called Stitching is Wrong dot com.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And then there's a website that says stitching is Wrong
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: is wrong dot com.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I don't know what to think about
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: that at all. And I read a lot of Stitchen's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: work too.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do you think about it?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I think what the problem was is that, uh, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: thought his stuff was interesting. It definitely his Egyptian stuff.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I actually thought it was very interesting. There was that
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: forgot what it was. There was one or two books
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I've read of his that was a little bit more
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: on that instead of the onr Knaki. But I think
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: what the problem was is that once I started coming
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: across and not that I say that just because someone's
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: in academic.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It means that they have anything interesting to say.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Doesn't always mean that, But I did come across a
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: lot of people in the academic community that were just
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: saying that his interpretations were just so far off base
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: compared to what's been done. So I just didn't know
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: what to think about it, just literally from that. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I will say this might be like controversial for some people.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: It's almost kind of like the same thing with what
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you were saying with David Wilcock.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: For me in Jordan Maxwell.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: All right, I think Jordan Maxwell did hand us some
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: interesting things to look at and maybe rabbit holes to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: go down. But at the end of the day, I
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: do question that man in his and like what his
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: role was actually in the conspiracy community. And he brought
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a sitchen have to wonder about that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Oh fuck yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the one who kind of really put
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: him up on a pedestal. Yeah, And even him and
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: David Ike kind of connection. And I still like David Ike,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: even though I think he's a little suss.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But have you ever okay, here you got here, I've
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: got a David ikenspiracy theory for you. David Ike is
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the Reptilian they're talking. I'm not joking. I'm not joking.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Everybody who's watching, go go find a video of David Ike.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: David Ike talking a closer video where it's like about
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: where I'm on miscrean now, and watch his hands. He
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: does this with his hands a lot when he's talking,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and his hands are fucking weird.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: He does have.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: They're like they don't look human. There's some kind of
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: untangy Valley and can't Kenny Valley thing happening when he talks,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and so you know, I think, also, okay, this is weird.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: This is just fucking weird.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But who are the four people right that that really
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: pushed the reptilian uh new age stuff?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It was David Ike and David Wilcock, Barbara Marciniac and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Barbara whatever. There was two Barberas and two David's.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I have no idea if that means anything. Is just
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: weird that there is two barbers and two Davids.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And I don't like this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: To me, is the silliest one, because.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I see I did back then. I can't it's.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It's silly and it's not silly. I think that everything
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: becomes silly when you look at reality through the lens
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of materialism, everything's a joke. But if you look at
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: everything in terms of metaphor, it all makes perfect sense.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I was just real quick, I was going to say
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: before with just David Ike. The reason why I, you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: like still kind of like him is because I think
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: he's actually using tons of occult stuff, but he's telling
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: it in his own like mythology or his own yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, So I'm like this guy, this guy knows.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I think he has experiences. I do think he's he
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: knows some ship maybe you know, across the Abyss or something.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know he had some experience, but uh, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I think he he plays on plays on archetypes.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I think. So I don't know that he knows, though,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: all right, I'll tell you, like I'll tell you you
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: can know, and then you can know that you don't know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: and you can know that you don't know, and there's
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a knowing to that he thinks he knows. I think
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have incredible divine experiences with spirit
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that they perceive to be a physical experience with aliens
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: or Bigfoot or whatever, and then they un and tell
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: everyone about it. And this is exactly what David I did,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and then they started to try to start a religion.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Now remember David I got started by by coming out
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: in a fucking the lure, you know, sweatsuit, saying I
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: am the Son of God. Yeah, because people have an experience,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and then they think it's objective reality, the real but
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: but to me, the real thing is we live in
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a symbolic universe. Like your perception of physical reality is
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a cartoon. I'm just looking. I see a cartoon of
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: nick right now, right, and it's a very sophisticated cartoon,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: but it is a cartoon. So your mind can insert
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and delete things out of the cartoon whatever it wants to. Right, So,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: if you are having a psychic interaction with a being,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that being may present itself to you in physical reality
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: in a way that makes sense to you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Because they learned their lesson with the whole being not
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: afraid eyes and wings ship, they don't do that anymore. Like, no,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: we got to appear to people something they understand, just
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the aliens, you know, or or whatever the fuck it is.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Oh yo, you know what's funny, they're uh, they might
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: be changing that cipher that the way that they deciphered that,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: and it's something like calm down, stop screaming.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yo. It was hilarious. People were dying and they're like, Yo,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that actually sounds funny.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Like even the angels like, yo, chill out, bro, like
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: take that bed.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Fuck, I'm that ugly.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: They've learned their lesson right then and there, and then
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: from then on they're gonna appears like babies with wayne
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: or or some you know, a ball of light or something,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: because they shows what they actually look like and it's
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: calmed down, stop screaming. Some My god, that's amazing if
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: that makes sense, right. So people will have these these
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: interactions with us with a with a so okay, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: at the ordercast and in my book the way that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I present this, like what the question is, what are spirits?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: My answer to that is non physical organized consciousness existing
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: outside of time and space. Okay, But so fourth dimensional entities.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: If a fourth dimensional entity, which is a psychic psychic
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: entity with no body, decides to inhabit the third dimension,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: it has to pick a form in which to do that,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: kind of like in the first Ghostbusters movie, like choose
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the you know what I mean. But it appears to
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: something that makes sense to us, and in the modern
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: context that's aliens. It's folks.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: No, I've thought that too for sure, that da This
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: is meaning maybe a little bit trying to I'm just
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: trying to draw like a parallel.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: You'll think he had to show what you're saying with
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: them kind of like seeing things, uh, even with like
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: scrime ears. You know, if you're a screen anything that
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: you actually don't have perfect vision, your brain sometimes will
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: actually fill in the gaps of ship.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Bro you're blind for two hours a day. You know that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: If you add up the amount of time you spend blinking,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: it's two hours a day that you are you don't
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: see and your brain just makes it up.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Holy shit. Yeah that's wild. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: brains make up. It's actually wild.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: You don't have referral vision.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: It's made Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, completely made up.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: That's wild, right, Yeah, it's.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's and it's because your eyes don't actually see anything.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Your eyes are sensors that take in information and then
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: your brain constructs in him. Yeah, what I'm saying, your
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: brain can delete and add things to that image at
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: a whim. It's the leading ship. So here's the thing.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: We only see less than one percent of physical reality.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: There there are ghosts around you right now. There could
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be your grandmother. I don't know if your grandmother's passed,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: but your your great great great grandmother could be fucking
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: break dancing right behind you right now, and you would
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: have absolutely no idea.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: We don't see things that this outside of our spectrum
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of light and sound. Things outside that vibrate outside of
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: our dimensional space, we don't. We don't inter but it's there.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is dark matter? You know, there's there's
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: so many physicists talking about dark matter life form, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, just say ghosts, Just say ghosts, just say
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the thing you actually just say, you know, life form
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that we don't understand that that doesn't appear to be physical. Okay,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: it's a ghost. Yeah fuck dude. I mean that's so like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: this is the crazy thing is that physics is coming
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: up with all these ways to explain shit that we've
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: been talking about since the dawn of time, and this
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: is the big one. So this is actually like my I
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: don't know if you call it a conspiracy theory or
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: just like if people just haven't put the pieces together.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: But in my book, one of the things that I
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: write about is what there is no difference between consciousness
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and spirit. It's just the physics recognizes one and not
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the other. Yeah, they're just two names for the same thing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: We don't know what conscious you know what I mean?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Consciousness is invisible and it's it's who and what you are,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: but we don't know what it is or where it
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: comes from. That's a spirit, that's your soul. It's the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: same concept.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It goes with the spirit. At least.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I don't see any functional or philosophical difference whatsoever. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: think it's a difference of language and that's it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I even say that all lots with some of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: my mechanics and magic shows.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, you know, a neuroscientist will call it
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: this and that, and a cultist will call it this
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: and that, mystic this and that, but we're all kind
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: of pointing out the same thing.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, No, Hey, I'm back to the aliens. Is
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: because you were so you were a member of the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: OTO for a while, right, You're familiar.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: With Croll and all this.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So, so if you look at the sketch that Crowly
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: made looks like a fucking gray alien.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, it does.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So that's trippy and the only time I think is happening.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I think, is it the first time we get that?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Is with with the streamers show, his book or his movie.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It's not in the I thought it was in the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Book of the Law.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I just pulled it out there.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: No, no, Well, I'm just saying, like the first time
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: we actually see that image used to describe an alien,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I think might have been in Straber's Communion.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: When's that?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's an old nineteen seventies movie. I think maybe
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: early eighties. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's like the.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: First time you should get so universal everybody who's ever
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: seen an alien gives the same description.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I do question that because it comes from that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I even question, I have even wondered, and I've I
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: haven't gotten into like details with it, but I did
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: ask a few guests that have been on the show
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: that we're in a Nochian magic. I do question sometimes
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: if like certain things with UFOs or what people think
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: they're seeing, or some stuff with a Nokia Magic might
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: be tied to like UFOs or aliens.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this is this is the thing, and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know this. This is one
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of the things. We could do a whole ass episode
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: on this. But for everyone who doesn't know this already,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Alistair Crowley, uh, Jack Parsons and l Ron Hubbard were
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: bros hanging out doing weird occult experiments in an apartment
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: before the formation of Thelema Scientology and the what was
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: it the US Rocketry Lab or something that the Parsons started.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Jack Parsons was an important member of He was an
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: important person at NASA, right or the predecessor in the NASA,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the US Space program, whatever it was. So these three
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: dudes are hanging out and and also as absurd as
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the scientology mythology is, was you it's it's just a
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: more sci fi version of the on a hockey story.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It's the same story. It's exactly the same. So like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah?
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even yeah, they were even supposedly people attribute supposedly,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you know, alien of seeing UFOs or like supposedly alien
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: stuff over in that.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Area where they did that. Yeah, I've heard that before.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they contacted some kind of spirit and it
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: was probably that spirit of AA was right, But I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: just don't think. See the thing about spirits and like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: aliens is that there's too many people out there. And
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm very cautious. I don't tell my
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: students fuck around and find out all that often, right,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I tell them be careful. But I would never encourage
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: anyone to just reach out to any spirit, like any
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: spirit that wants to talk to me, because you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: from my point of view, the spirit realm, the fourth dimension,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the astral whatever you want to call it, is like
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the ocean. Okay, So there's like the most beautiful, bioluminescent
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: like incredible things, and then there's fucking monsters and they
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: have it the same space. Right, which one's gonna talk
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to you? You don't know, Probably the one that's hungry, right.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I I don't know what they contacted,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: but they contacted something. But let's like look at what
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: they did, right, So these three people started three groups
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that are pretty notorious, right, I mean, like Thelema's like
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: really become its own thing without Crowley, that's but like
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: with Proley, it was kind of nefarious.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I even find it interesting that NASA came out to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: year Crowley died. Oh you really? Oh shit, Sometimes I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: do wonder about.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: That whole, like a well, dude, you know about MK often, No,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: everyone knows about MK ultra, but THENK often MKA often
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: was was an entire CIA project dedicated to researching occult
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: rituals to contact extra dimensional entities. And they had a
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: lot of success. And this was before even the Gateway.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Shit, yeah, oh that's interesting.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: They do, they know, they know, And there I'm telling you.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: And this is why. This is one of the big
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: reasons why I and Pete Carroll kind of like departed
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: in our ways of thinking about chaos magic. And you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: know why I call what I do chaos witchcraft is
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that I think these things are real and he doesn't.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: But why why are there so many deglassified CEA documents
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: about it? That the shit's not real? Right, Like a
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: huge part of the cosmology that I have kind of
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: sorted through comes from reading the declassified Gateway Projects files like.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yo, that stuff is wild, yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: And it works.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I've done it, like I've Yeah, I've used a few
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: of the tapes and I was like, yeah, it's definitely
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: worth Yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Dude, I only made it to like tape three, yeah,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: pull on astral projection experience, and I was talking to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: odin Yo.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I made it about tape three of four, and I
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: started realizing I'd get that feeling whenever i'd like start
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: like kind of like going out there.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, that's pretty quick.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Like it started making it like it would happen rather
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: faster than normally it would take me to get in
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: that state.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I stopped using.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I'm not trying to do that,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: so you're not yeah, well not then I had I
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: had just gotten done.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, dude, I mean, I mean that's one
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of the you know, one of the scary it's and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: truly it's scary. It's like getting on a roller coaster
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: when you're a little kid. So like astral projection is
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of like going on a roller coaster
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: when you're small, Like you're nervous and you're like, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna die, but like it's scary as fun, right,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: or at least it was for me. So the thing
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: about astral projection for practicing and cultis is like this
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: is something you have to get used to because that's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: where all the good ship is like if you can,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: if you can use your mind, you can to exit
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the body and then you have these direct experiences with
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: these entities. And I've designed a bunch of not a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: bunch actually there's only one currently available, but I've designed
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: uh a guided ritual for having an introduction to the
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: cat that uses theatawave binural beats. Right, So it's a guide.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: It's just a guided meditation, but it's using those state
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of waves and it's it's helping you to astill project
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: into a place where you can have an experience with take.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: And I mean tons of my students have had huge
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: success with this. It's it works. It's really fucking cool,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: and you can do this like reliably and repeatably, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: it's like, I can't believe the whole world doesn't know
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It's pretty wild actually to think about.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: My ex girlfriend even would astill project on accident all
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the time. Right, So we used, we used to do
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: this thing and we still do it here at t
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: C called target practice once in a while where I'll
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: write a number on a piece of paper and just
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: put it on my desk and say try to I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: want everyone to try and actual project and see what
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: number I wrote down right. I have a group of
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: students that are in my apprenticeship group and six out
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of seven of them not the right number. And my
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: ex girlfriend could do it like every single time.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, like if you would actually do like a
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: real study, you might need more people than that, but
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: just that ratio right there would be like off the charts.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: It was absurd, Yeah, I was. I was not expecting it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So I've got these cards. There's Zener cards. I got
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: them for myself for Christmas this last year. But these
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: are the ones from.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah that is great.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Oh but you know, I've had my students do this
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: with me and like they we're so good at it
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: because when you when you practice psychic awareness, you get
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: psychic awareness.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: No, I do think if people practice at it, yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: for sure, I do you think we will have that capabilities.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I every morning at eleven, I livestream meditation. That meditation
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: has the same data way Vinral beats. So just by
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: doing that that meditation every day, you're developing psychic senses.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Is why I'm so insistent all my students doing it
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: really really really builds up that muscle in the brain.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I've used that a lot too in the past. The
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: binary beats for a long time.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Incredible fucking text, dude, And it's freaky the first couple
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of times you experienced it. Once you get used to it,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I guess it's like being on a roller coach.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: You just get used to it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That sons of fun.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I all say, yeah, once you get like
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: orientated to it, yeah, definitely seems like, yeah, it gets magical.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's like the kind of the final
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: So I think, like with magic, there's there's a part
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of your magical journey where you're like, is this real?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Is this real?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I figured that out when I was sixteen. I'm forty
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: two now, Like, once you know for sure that it's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: real and you can do it reliably, what's next? The
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: next thing for me is like, Okay, it's like accumulating
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: more experience in the spirit realm with extra dimensional entities,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: with having you know, psychic communication, remote viewing, all that shit. Man.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I think is is like that's the next level, right, yeah,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And it's I don't know what there would be beyond that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: But I'm a skeptical of people who say they know.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see that before we're before our
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: times up?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: What do you mean like see it because I mean
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I've seen it work. Do you mean see it like accepted,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: like mainstream acceptance?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or see it more in the public.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I think I don't know, man, because there's a
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: law there. There have been books out about this shit
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: forever the people. I think that a lot more mainstream
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: physicists are now saying the things that are leading us. So,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for example, the Nobel Prize in Physics for I believe
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three we're awarded to
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: for basically for proving that the universe is not locally real. Right,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: they prove non locality. So this is all hallucination.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's kind of what even the Skateway files.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what's what Buddhists have been saying forever too, right,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It's what every religion says in kind of its own way.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: It's a thing we've always known.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: None of this is real.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: It's an illusion. Maya right, and the word maya so.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: And this is the other interesting things, like how is
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: all this shit connected? Because the Mayan calendar that was
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: another big inspiracy. Bro. I was one of those people
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: in my early twenties whatever it was, I was twenty five,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: maybe I read Graham Hancock's book Fingerprints of the Gods,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and that shit blew my mind. And then December twenty third,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I'm like, yeah, the world's gonna end a day.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: This is it, this is the last day. And then
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: fucking nothing happens because the Mayan calendar wasn't counting down
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: to the end of the world. It was counting down
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: to the end of the age of Maya, and Maya
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: means illusion. And ever since December twenty third, twenty twenty twelve,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the world has gotten fucking weird. Everything has been weird.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I've heard that.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I've heard that theory before. People talk about that, and honestly,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: it kind of has right Like, I feel like, since then,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: it's just blessed off with absurdness of like, especially with
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: conspiracy shit.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Before twenty twelve, the world was like normal, like normal,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: you know, but you're still watching reruns of Friends on TV.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Everyone saw a cable, right like. Wireless internet was kind.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Of new, you know.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I know we had smartphones back then,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: but like it was just the level of tech and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and like this conspiracies have blown up the New Age
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: spirituality shit, the Project Blue Beeing shit blew up, right,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: all these different acern all these different ideas about like
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: realities crossing. What the fuck do you think the Mandela.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: E fects, Oh yo, that is some weird shit, because
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I do believe that. Yeah, for sure, there's been certain things.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm pretty sure that was not like that. No, dude,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: yeah likes.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: You know. It's the ones that are like and this
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: is this is the one that's interesting to me because
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I am a Star Wars fanatic. I fucking love Star Wars.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: The line was always no, I am your father, not Luke,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I'm your father, because it's in context of conversation. He
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say, Luke, I am your father, right, So so
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Luke says obi Wan told me you killed my father,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and Vader goes, no, I am your father. That's correct.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Baron scene bears want either,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: but what I think is fucking weird is that the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: goddamn Statue of Liberty is not on Statue of Liberty.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: It's not on Ellis Island. It's on Statue of Liberty Island.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I grew up thinking it was on Ellis Island, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: so does everyone I know who I talked to you
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: about this. That's no, dude, it's on It's not on
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Ellis Island. It's on Statue of Liberty Island apparently. And
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: then the Black Tom explosion, which I never heard of,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: apparently was the first US terrorist attack. Never heard of that. Ever,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: There's a there's a bunch of Mandela effects that are
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: fucking strange, and the weirdest ones are the ones that
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: happened inside. Like there's a there's a there's a what's
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that game called Call of Duty, h fucking Mandela effect
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: where millions of players are like, no, it didn't used
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to be that way, But that could just be the
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: programmers fucking with them, right.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we don't know, but I've experienced
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: it on a personal level. I've seen tarot cards change, right,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen things that were objectively different one
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: day than that we're the day of previous. And I
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: know that this is just the nature of reality. See
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: in the entire cosmology that I believe in and that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I write about is the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: you are shifting between nearly infinite possible timelines, right, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: this that that model, there's a lot more than people
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: realize because it resolves the conflict of determinism versus non determinism,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and also the conflict that do we have free will
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: or not? Because everything happens within a bandwidth. Yeah, you
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: have free will. Within the bandwidth, you can do whatever
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you want from here to hear. Yeah, things are determined
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: to many possible deterministic outcomes, but there are so many
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that we to us from our perception, they're not deterministic, right,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: So that model of physics resolves everything and explains paranormal phenomena.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: That's why I say that this is obviously the correct one. Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: No, I do think there is like some sort of
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Lord structure.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a structure. It's just like it's so incomprehensible
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: to us. That's why, Like, when people don't believe in astrology,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: it weirds me the fuck out.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm like you, but have you tried it?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. They don't believe in it because
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: they don't want to believe in it because it doesn't
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: make sense to them. But yeah, but if you tried it,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: because it works, right, And to this, because you can't
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: explain how something works doesn't mean it doesn't work. We
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: don't know how fucking gravity works, right, but you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: nonetheless shit falls down.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And what I say about that is like, we don't
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: understand if gravity is a wave or a particle, if
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: it's a forest, or if it's a you know, we
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: don't know what exactly it is, but you can see it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: And magic is the same way. It's just a magic
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: is harder to see than gravity, but magic and astrology,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: all these things they're just as real as gravity is.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in my opinion, No, no, no, I think that's
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: a great way to say it, especially with gravity too,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: because it's like you still really don't know what the
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: fuck it is.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: No, we don't know what light is, bro, We don't
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: know what we are or what we're doing here. We
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: don't know fuck all, you know, like for all we know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: And this is the big thing that you're seeing. The
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: new is now is that our entire universe might be
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: inside of a black hole.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I've heard of that recently too.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, yo, that is bugged out.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: That's bonkers because you know what that makes me think of.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: You remember the end of the First Men in Black
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: movie when the at the end of Aliens playing with marbles, Yeah,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: each one is like.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: It makes you think of that. I've wondered that before too.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And that's another thing. We have no concept whatsoever of size.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: We don't because there are things that are like sub
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: atomic that we are just barely starting to understand exists.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And then the the size of the universe. You you
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: literally can't imagine it, you know what I mean? Like
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: even our own solar system, dude, is so big. But
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: the reality is our entire universe could be one cell
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: inside the body of another living organism. Yeah, right, I
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: don't know how photos works. We see these the incredible
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: things happening at microscopic levels that are just as complex
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: as the things we're doing out here, right, So how
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: much bigger does it get? What if our entire universe
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: is just one living cell inside the eyeball of some
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: fucking greater entity and.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: So and it keeps going up?
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really say, there's a lot of it. It's just
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: about nature. That's like even fucking hard to even comprehend
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: our reality. Like if you think about like how it
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: even Yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: You think about it too hard and just every nothing
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: makes sense in that one. It's it's fucking wild man, Yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: fucking it's that's uh thorpe Rin says, it's all fractal.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: That's that it's something fucking look into.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I agree, all right, So that's a that's an hour, man.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I gotta wrap it up. I got clients today. But
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: that was a lot of fun. Yea for being the
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: first test guinea pig for the order of cast Live
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and the what If podcasts, So yeah, I really appreciate it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: And you want to before we go though, you let
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: everyone know where they.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Can find you and the Occult Rejects podcast.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: It's on Rumble YouTube and all major podcast hosts and
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, we got that. And we also have a
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Cult Research Institute or that's a website, so check that
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: out if you're into.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Reading a lot. Yeah, thank you. I had a blast, man,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: that was fun. That was fun.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like memory going down memory lane, especially
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: with some of the people who were talking about it,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: just the ideas.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, this is the fun stuff, right, Yeah,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: you think this stuff so seriously, Like I think this
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: a very seriously I tryed to talking about from a
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: very serious standpoint. Fuck, sometimes you got to talk about
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the fun ship too, you know. Yeah. Yeah, So thanks Nick,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and thank you everyone for watching, and we'll catch on
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: the next one.