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Awaken - Adam's Chat with Ryan DeJonghe on Hypnosis and Metaphors with Live Nested Loops · The Hypnotist

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So get yourself comfortable and enjoy today's episode of The
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Hypnotist. Hi, it's Adam here.
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And I was recently featured on a podcast called Awaken with a
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fellow hypnotherapist called Ryan.
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And we had a great chat about hypnosis, about why I became a
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hypnotherapist, my thoughts on nested loops and metaphors.
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And I think if you've got an interest in hypnosis and also
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you want to experience a particular type of hypnosis that
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I call levels of disassociation, you're going to get some value
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from this particular session. Now the session is the 15
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minutes at the end. There's a long conversation that
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takes place before that. So if you just want to hear the
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conversation, you can do 2 things.
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You can either skip to the end of this recording, but what I'm
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also going to do is separately published just the hypnosis
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session on its own. It's about 18 minutes long.
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And for subscribers, they can get just the hypnosis with no
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intro, no outro, no explanation. So that's all there.
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But if you are interested in hearing my thoughts on hypnosis,
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what makes it work, how powerful metaphors are, how I know what
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to work on with a client, I think you're going to get some
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value just by eavesdropping into this conversation.
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So find a nice, quite comfortable place to relax and
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enjoy this conversation followed by a session.
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Great to be here, Ryan. Yeah.
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So a little introduction for the people of how we came across
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there's was it the world's largest hypnosis conference is
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hitting Thoughts Live and I've seen a lot of your posts you'll
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be presenting there. And so that's where we go.
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So we just want to start a conversation.
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So, Adam, what got you into this, this whole hypnosis?
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Thing yeah, I think I was a very shy teenager and and only later
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I realized that I didn't feel good enough, which is quite a
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common belief when we're working with clients.
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And what really got me into hypnosis early, early on was a
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belief that I wasn't good enough and a desire to change that.
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So I was this nerdy, you know, kind of 12 year old going into
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the library reading books on speed reading and mnemonics.
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And, you know, I read an early book from Ormond McGill on stage
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hypnosis. And you know, I, I had a belief
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that or, or at least a feeling that hypnosis could improve
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myself in some ways. That was my kind of early
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interest. In the UK, there was a stage
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hypnotist that got a prime time TV show called Paul McKenna.
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He's more famous for his kind of personal development books these
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days. So I would see these stage
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hypnosis sketches and it was kind of like found it
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fascination fascinating. I know a lot of stage hypnotists
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now. So I kind of know it's more
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about compliance and kind of participation selection and
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other forms of psychology. But I think that's the magic
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when you don't know what's happening, you think like all of
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this thing is happening based on hypnosis.
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That kind of put a seed of an idea.
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What really got me into hypnotherapy is that I was 1819
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going to college, so we call it university here.
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And I had severe social anxiety and had a desire to fix myself.
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And the irony is doing a psychology degree, you know, I
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was, it was kind of it was weird, but I felt, I felt it my
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chest, I felt it my gut, you know, I would struggle to leave
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my my tiny one bedroom apartment, but they had a 24
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hour library. So late at night when there's no
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people around, I would kind of go into the library and luckily
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came across early written bandler and grinder books.
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I frogs in the pinch apprentice structure of magic some of the
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early Tony Robbins stuff and I think he's in my opinion, he's
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lost his way. But the early stuff unlimited
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power awaken the giant within. A lot of it was based on early
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NLP kind of models and then got into more kind of Milton
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Ericsson and, and, and different kind of approaches.
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I think some of the Stephen, Connie, Ray Andreas, you know,
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kind of techniques based on some of Richard Bandler's work I
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found really useful. So I became my first client and
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my goal was to kind of, I know we shouldn't use the word cure
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or fix, but fix myself. That was honestly the intention
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and I was able to go from a suicidal recluse to within a
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couple of years, you know, got a certain level of confidence, set
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my own business up when I was 23 years old on paper was a
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self-made millionaire at the age of 27.
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And I stressed on paper because I definitely didn't have
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£1,000,000, but my assets take away liabilities with over a
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million. And I put it all down to kind of
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hypnosis and NLP. I was able to access resource
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states. I was able to change very
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disempowering belief systems and open up very empowering belief
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systems. And that's, you know, I, I think
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you know, early NLP, they talk a lot about congruency.
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But for me, I know it works because I lived it.
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I went, I was a very different person and I changed because of
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what I was doing to myself. Right.
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And your story resonates with so many other hypnotists that I, or
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at least successful hypnotists I talked to the ones that changed
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themselves, say, gone from a dark place in their lives where
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they're suicidal, depressed, maybe an introvert.
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And then they found something, some kind of motivating spark
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for me. You mentioned Tony Robbins.
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For me, it was that kid as like, what is this?
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This is so different. And you're like, you're right.
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The early Tony Robbins, a little different than the modern one,
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but the early one, he's like, you can do this.
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And he talked these NLP techniques like, you know,
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change habits and empowering that person within you.
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And like, I was just talking to Bill O'hanlon the other day too.
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Same, same story. He's like, it's working with
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someone. And then you said you you're
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your first client, which I love that you know, and that's where
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we all were at one point, like, and knowing this works and
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knowing that the answers reside within us.
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And then so how do you, as a hypnotherapist, manage to get
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someone to realize they have the answer within themselves?
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I think how how I tend to do it is I love using metaphors.
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I love using examples. So if, for example, there's a
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very dominant emotion and that emotion is impeding their
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ability to live life on their terms, then I want to I kind of
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set traps for them. It sounds unethical, but it's
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really ethical if you do it from the right intention.
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I want to set psychological traps that free them from their
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own, their own limitations. So I'll, I'll say, when you were
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a child, did you believe in like Santa Claus or tooth fairies?
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And they're like, yeah. And I said, OK, so you're about
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4-5 years old. You believe in Santa.
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Was that excitement real? And they're like, absolutely.
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And I said, OK. And when you were about 6 or 7A
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sibling, a school friend told you Santa wasn't real.
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But at that time it was real. So let me just get this
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straight. You're telling me you had
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absolutely a real emotion linked to a belief that wasn't true?
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And they're like, where's this going?
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And I say, OK, so is it possible now that you've got a real
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emotion like anxiety? But what if the underlying
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belief to that isn't true? If we change the belief, maybe
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we change the emotion. And then I do a call back and
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say, how difficult was it to get excited about Santa Claus when
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you knew he wasn't real? And they're like almost
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impossible. And it's kind of like, and do
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that require lots of therapy, lots of change work?
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It's just one conversation with someone.
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And it was enough to change it. And when the belief changed, the
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emotion changed. And what I'm doing is I'm, I'm
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creating a meta belief that beliefs influence emotions.
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And once they change, the connected emotion changes all by
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itself. Once they buy into that, then I
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can kind of work with them. But the traps already set at
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that point, they were already kind of trying to do that.
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Or it might be, you know, that they're stuck in a belief.
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It takes a long time to change. You can't just change.
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And I say, like, when you were a teenager, was there something
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you used to do a lot that you just don't do anymore?
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And they're like, yeah. And I said, and how much, how
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hard was it to stop doing that thing?
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And they're like, oh, it just happened by itself.
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OK. So I like setting these
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psychological traps so that some of the, because I think a lot of
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people that have tried to change and calm the paradox is the
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justification, the cognitive dissonance actually entraps them
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in their own story, in their own limitations.
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So, and it's a misattributed Einstein quote, but it's
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something along the lines of you can't, you can't change
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something with the same thinking that created it.
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So you got to introduce something new.
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And if you introduce something new at the right time, then the
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therapeutic part can become quite easy.
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And you can use like metaphors like plumbing and engineering,
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like they're not just banging pipes and, and, and changing
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stuff. They, they've got to find the
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problem. Once they find the problem, the
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solution can be quite easy. But if you don't actually figure
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out what the problem is, well, then you just banging pipes
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around hoping it, hoping it works.
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And unfortunately, I do think there's hypnotherapists that
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don't take enough time to kind of figure out how this thing is
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created. And that that's what I got from
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early NLP is that you look at it like a strategy.
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So one of my favorite questions when working with a client is if
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I'm you for a day, how do I have to experience?
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What do I have to do to experience what you experience?
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And they're like, what do you mean?
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Because they've never what it gives them a level of
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disassociation. But secondly, they've got to
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think about the structure of that.
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So it's like, wow, I tell myself it's going to be a shitty day.
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What's the point? And I'm like, OK, so in a
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dialogue and I say, is that first person or third person?
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What do you mean? Do you say I or do you say you?
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And like, and all of this stuff gets them thinking about, oh,
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there's a recipe. I'm doing this to myself.
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And if I'm doing it to myself, if I change something, it's
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going to be a different outcome. I love that, the way we talk to
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ourselves. I love the part that he said
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about Santa Claus. It's like it made me think of
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the my fiance's kid who's 12 and he's like, is Santa real?
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And he's he is a baited question because he knows.
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And then the response is interesting.
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Is the feeling of Santa real? Is that excitement real?
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And I love that. And then you mentioned the
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metaphor about the plumber finding the problem.
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So how do you help someone find so they have these complex
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feelings and beliefs, these pipes going every which way?
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How do you help them find where the leaky pipe is?
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One of my favorite questions is, was there a point where it
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wasn't like this? You know, because you want to
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find the point of inception and, and in most cases, the problem
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is actually a coping strategy to resolve something that happened
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that was undesirable. They felt ashamed, they felt
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stupid, you know, they felt scared.
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And at some point the brains like this can't happen again.
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So quite often the problem is the attempt to kind of fix this
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kind of thing. So, you know, you don't want to
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use regression haphazardly. Like if you're going to use
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regression, why not go back to the point of inception, like
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where this thing happened? What if you can give it a
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different meaning or the whole frame knowing what you now know?
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It turns out that probably wasn't the best strategy.
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And then you could do disassociated mental rehearsals.
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So if you did the other thing in that moment, what would that
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have been like? And then that can kind of lead
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into timeline stuff. So the question like, was it,
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was there a time when it wasn't like this?
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It's quite helpful to find the point of inception, I think.
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I think getting them to justify the story or explain what's
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going on normally. So I love playing devil's
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advocate and say like, let's just say I wasn't to believe you
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like convince me this is a real problem, right?
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All all of the all of the beliefs that structure that
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particular problem come out at that particular point.
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Now you don't you've got to be careful how you do that because
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you don't there they are quite vulnerable.
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So you can't just say I don't believe you.
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You're talking shit if you say, but the if is a great frame like
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if, if I, if I was to doubt you and you had to absolutely
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convince me that this problem is real.
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How would you do that? So if and would creates A
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hypothetical frame feels safe for them to kind of do that.
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But you you elicit the strategy nonetheless.
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You kind of get the information kind of from them and that's
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quite helpful. Some people are invested in
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victimhood, like there, there there's a narrative that the
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world is mean and bad things happen to them.
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And actually they would lose that if they were to change.
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They would lose that kind of sense of victimhood and, and,
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and kind of perhaps secondary gains they get from that, which
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might be sympathy or support or understanding or connection or
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whatever it might be. So a lot of the time I don't
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necessarily, and I love doing podcasts like this because most
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of what I do is very intuitive. So I don't, it's not like, and
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then I start with this and then I start with that.
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But as I kind of explain kind of what I'm doing, these kind of
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things come up like elicit the strategy, you know, test, test
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their kind of resolve, like how committed are they to that?
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And also Speaking of another trap that I quite like is this
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element of sometimes people conflate truth with beliefs.
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And you know, I, I like to say, you know, I don't care if a
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belief is true. I care if it's useful.
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And, and, and one of my favorite things to do is to say like, do
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you know a conspiracy theorist, like someone that absolutely
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with every fiber of their body believes that thing and the fact
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that it isn't true isn't important.
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They, they believe that. And they're like, Oh yeah, I
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know someone like that. I said, how difficult is it to
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talk them out of their belief? And they're like, oh, you can't
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do it because even if you do, they entrench.
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And it's kind of like, OK, is it possible that you have a belief
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that even if it's true, it's not useful?
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And that feels like a like a psychological sleight of hand
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because they're like, yeah, let me just separate the truth
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element because a lot of the time, but that's true.
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But that's true. Like that person did betray me
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or that person did, you know, kind of do whatever they did
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that links to victimhood. But is it useful to kind of hold
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that belief? And when they look at the
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utility of the belief system, then you get to kind of say,
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well, OK, what would knowing what we now know, what would be
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more useful? That doesn't guarantee the
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change. You've got to do the change
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work. But sometimes it's quite helpful
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to to get them separated. You could stop 100 people in the
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street and, and, and say, like, what do you believe?
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And then is it true? And it's almost like 100%
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everything they believe, they, they think is 100% true, right.
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How many religious people do you know?
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I, I know lots of religious people.
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I'm an atheist, but I think, I think there's a lot of utility
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in religious beliefs. I don't objectively think it's
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true. I don't think it's true, but
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maybe you can prove that it's true.
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But they do they, they believe in the truth.
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Now, I would say when my when my grandmother was dying of
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Alzheimer's, her belief in heaven, her belief in
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forgiveness, OK, was that useful for her?
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Absolutely it was. You know, I don't care if it's
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I'm not going to be the dickhead, you know, that sat
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there the next way. All this is nonsense.
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Like it's a really useful belief system, OK, Of course she should
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believe that. And she did believe that.
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And I think that gave her a lot of of comfort.
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So these people will say, but it's not true.
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It's not. People believe stuff that aren't
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true all the time. So given that we can believe
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things that aren't true, just like we did with Santa, why
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don't we start believing stuff that's really empowering and
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really useful? That sounds like a better place
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to live. Let's be deliberate and
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intentional about what we believe, particularly if the
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beliefs open the doors to resource States, and those
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resource states give us intuitively thoughts and
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behaviors and and habits that can radically change someone's
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life like that. That feels like a good.
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Strategy absolutely and I want to loop back to and it's funny.
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Well, real, just a little quick point, you talk about these
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religious beliefs and I started as a preacher and then
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eventually I left the church because I felt like, OK, some of
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these things that Jesus says, you know, like these works in
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greater will you do? And then I'm looking around
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like, well, where are these works and greater things?
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You know, we're not living up to what he said we can do.
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So I felt like we lived in this box and the box could be the
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limiting beliefs and it just doesn't serve me.
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And then but that's a side point.
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The thing I want to loop back to is you mentioned you intuitively
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do this. So how does a person get to that
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point of intuitively doing things that serve them well?
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It depends how you define intuition and, and I, I like to
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define it that, you know, a lot of hypnotherapists have got very
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strong opinions about the conscious and the unconscious.
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I, I like to strip out all the mysticism and, and the woo woo
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stuff and just say, right, conscious is what you're aware
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of in the moment. Almost like Miller 1957.
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The magic #7 ± 2 is like, what are you aware of right now?
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Think of it as mindfulness and unconscious is everything else.
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So there's skills that you have that you're not implementing
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right now. There's beliefs that you
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absolutely believe, but you're not.
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If you're in a debate, you might recall those beliefs, but if
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you're not, they're just there. They still exist, but they're,
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they're not in your front of mine awareness.
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That's your unconscious. And my belief is that intuition
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is the communication channel or the influence channel of the
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unconscious. And, and again, I like to to use
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examples and they say, right, well, how do you know the
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unconscious is real? And I say, like, do you drive?
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And they're like, yeah. And it's like, and if you're in
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the passenger seat and the person who's driving breaks
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later than you do, does your foot twitch?
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And they're like, like exactly where the brake pedal is?
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And they're like, yeah. And it's like, did you do that
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deliberately or is that your intuition?
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It's the unconscious. The unconscious is doing it
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because it links. I should be breaking right now.
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That's an idiomotor response, you know, and, and and I believe
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that the intuition is a way of the unconscious communicating
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with the with the conscious. So, you know, for me to try and
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do, you know, thousands of sessions worth of experience
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and, and years worth of education and try and
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consciously logically do that into a session.
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I'm the idiot at that point because I'm promptly overloading
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myself and therefore I can't calibrate to the client in front
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of me. I want my unconscious to be
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giving me insight, ideas, suggesting metaphors, noticing
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things that may have gone unnoticed.
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I want that. And one of the things that I
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like about having a podcast is that I can listen to podcasts
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that that I've done like months or years ago, listen to them
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back and, and be kind of confused that where did that
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actually come from? Because I said the words, no
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doubt, but where those words came came from, that's.
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Right. It's got to be my unconscious
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because I I couldn't have prepared the sequence of words
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in that order before I started talking.
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It's got to come from my unconscious.
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But isn't that a good thing? Like my unconscious working with
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their unconscious to create a change like that?
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That seems like what hypnotherapy should be.
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Yes, and it reminds me too of you talking about if you do a
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session trying to think it. And it reminds me when I was a
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preacher, if I wrote out what I wanted to say almost verbatim
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and I delivered it like that, it would be rubbish.
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No one would respond, the energy level of the room would be low,
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and if I just went up there with maybe a verse or rough outline
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or something scribbling on a napkin and I get goosebumps to
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thinking about it, things start moving.
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Absolutely, yeah. And, and, and my, my thoughts
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would be good to hear your take on this.
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But my thoughts are a lot, a lot of religious things, like a
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preacher, I think is a group hypnotherapist, you know, that
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is using communication to influence and to kind of change
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or build on belief systems. What is a prayer if it's not
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self hypnosis? Exactly.
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Honestly, what is it like? Are we really communicating with
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some omnipotent being? Or actually, are we
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communicating with our own subconscious mind through a
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channel that there's a meta belief system that says, right,
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this is going to be helpful in some way?
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For me, it's self hypnosis absolutely is.
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And there's something about connecting with another person.
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So it's it's almost, I know young kind of talked about this
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collective unconscious where like even now you and I have
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this psychodynamic loop going on where our unconscious is are
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talking and teaching with one another.
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I don't, I don't know, like if there's a way to tap into that
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or train it. And I guess that goes back to
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the question I asked. How do you build this intuition?
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Like you mentioned, you do thousands of sessions and then
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one part is you could do thousands of sessions and not
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get better. So how do you train your
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unconscious to get better? Yeah, I think it's sensory
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acuity. And I've got a funny story that
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highlights repetition without sensory acuity does not lead to
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competency. I went one of my first property
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investments that I did. I rented a house and then sub
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rent rented all the rooms and there was this Chinese guy that
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was called Edward Could we lived on Edward St.
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He he, he wanted like an English name and he would wake up every
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morning at 6:00 AM and for a solid hour and a half he would
23:58
read words from the dictionary out loud to himself with
24:02
horrible pronunciation. So the repetition, if anything,
24:08
was building neural pathways of of saying.
24:11
Now, maybe that helped in some way because at least he's kind
24:14
of familiarizing yourself with words.
24:17
But actually, if you're a hypnotist and you do 1000
24:22
sessions to yourself in a room and you're just role-playing
24:27
with other hypnotists that are kind of playing along, do you
24:31
really get the feedback loop? Do you really get the sensory
24:33
acuity like when you've got a client?
24:36
Like in the same way that you learn a language, your first
24:38
language that you learn is not in a textbook.
24:42
It's not in a classroom. Like it's, it's in this kind of
24:45
unconscious classroom of you're listening a lot and then you're
24:49
saying things and then you, you, you might say things wrong and
24:52
you get like a weird facial expression from them and you're
24:54
pronounced that wrong. Like, how should I do that?
24:56
And, and that's, that's where you learn.
24:58
And I think in the same way that you learn language
25:01
unconsciously, hypnosis, you need a bit, you need a little
25:06
bit of structure of kind of technique and kind of
25:08
approaches, but fundamentally you learn it by working with
25:12
clients. And that's why when people ask
25:15
me like, how do you, how do you become a good hypnotist?
25:19
Like the metaphor that always comes to mind is that you can't
25:21
swim by reading a book. You have to jump in the pool.
25:25
And to be a great hypnotist or a good hypnotist, you've got to,
25:28
you've got to work with real clients with real issues and
25:31
you've got to say the words, you've got to get it wrong.
25:34
And then you've got to kind of reflect on that, try different
25:36
approaches. And then through repetition and
25:38
refinement, then it gets good. In the same way that it's that
25:44
Malcolm Gladwell thing. Like the 10,000 hours like you.
25:47
Do it in. I was going to say that same
25:49
thing. You can have 10,000 hours, but
25:50
then where's the? 10,000 useful hours.
25:54
Right, right, right. And it's interesting how you
25:57
mentioned a client like you lifted your eyebrow, you know,
26:01
and you could see that you calibrate that almost again
26:03
subconsciously. And then and one thing that
26:07
keeps standing out in my head is we use this word hypnotist.
26:13
And yet, how many of your clients do you do the induction
26:17
where people like, close your eyes and listen because you
26:20
don't like, you do it a little differently, don't you?
26:23
Yeah, I when I started, I had the long I would do like the the
26:30
book in balloon and the convinces and all of this kind
26:33
of stuff and, and test for idiomotor responses and then
26:37
long progressive relaxation and and all of this kind of stuff.
26:41
And, and what I found is that mainly I was doing that because
26:48
that was what I needed as the hypnotherapist to feel like it
26:52
was a prerequisite to doing good work.
26:55
With the client. My favorite induction is the eye
26:59
closure induction. Take a deep breath in on the
27:01
outward breath, close your eyes. That's the induction.
27:04
The deepener I I tend to use nested loops and levels of
27:08
disassociation, what I call the inception induction.
27:12
But it's just, it's getting them from their reality to a place
27:16
where they're receptive to some change happening.
27:19
So if I didn't do that and look, it's probably not necessary, but
27:24
if the client believes that they've got to experience
27:27
something in order for a change to take place, I'm going to work
27:30
with that. So give them an experience, give
27:33
them multiple levels of disassociation, use the kind of
27:36
Eric Sonian metaphors and kind of Weaver story and and then you
27:40
get them into that place. We see the the loose jaw and
27:43
their kind of relaxation and certain kind of clues that
27:46
they're they're not in that normal, you know, kind of
27:49
logical waking state. And then for me, I love
27:52
metaphor, but I'll I'll use parts therapy I use sometimes in
27:57
a child work or direct suggestion, but I use a lot of
27:59
metaphor. So my before, before my first
28:04
suggestion, it might be like a minute, a minute and a half,
28:07
like there is no long, long kind of.
28:10
And if I use deepener, it tends to be from one level of
28:14
disassociation to the next. So it's kind of it's a deepener
28:18
within another framework. Or if I'm doing progressive
28:22
relaxation is, is normally on the the second level of
28:25
disassociation. So I'll do a, a countdown
28:28
progressive relaxation, but it's not like a, a 5 minute thing.
28:31
It's like, yeah, it's like I'm going to count down from 12:50.
28:35
And, and you'll notice different parts of your body really
28:37
relaxing and it's, it's quick. Yeah, and that, that's where I
28:42
started with hypnosis and stage and St. work.
28:45
And so you got to be quick with that.
28:48
And then what really fascinated me was like James Tripp where
28:51
he's like, you can do this without the induction people
28:54
getting their fingers stuck. And then and now I'll leave them
28:56
with, if your mind can get your fingers stuck, what can your
29:01
mind get unstuck in your life right now?
29:04
And it's like, and they're just, and they always like, oh,
29:08
besides, like aha moment, you know, and I'm wondering, and
29:11
then in a moment we'll go to you giving people listening,
29:15
watching a little hypnotic gift that you're talking about,
29:18
whatever you want to lead it so they can experience.
29:21
And I'm wondering now that word hypnotist or hypnotherapist, it
29:28
almost has like a stigma to it. So I'm wondering when you are
29:33
telling, it's not like you want to convince people, but you're
29:37
saying, hey, look, I know. What I'm doing?
29:41
I know this works. So is there another word that
29:46
you offer them when they're thinking about it?
29:50
That's not like you mentioned the woo woo or the you know,
29:53
it's not. This isn't a tarot card reading.
29:56
This is actual like legit stuff that is quick, meaningful
30:00
change. So how do you present that to a
30:02
person That's like looking at your YouTube videos or whatever.
30:06
So how do you how do you lure them in without making them
30:09
think this is going to be like a sham?
30:12
You know, let me read your future and tea leaves thing.
30:15
Yeah, so again, I as a hypnotist, I use lots of
30:18
metaphors. If I I love the metaphor of
30:23
illusionists or magicians. So like if you see a magician,
30:28
what you, what you see looks magical like the thing
30:32
disappeared or they are floating or if it's mentalist, they, they
30:37
read the mind of the individual. Like it looks magic.
30:40
Actually, if you knew, if you actually knew the details of
30:44
there's a mirror, you know it was, it was a prestige.
30:48
Like there's The thing is already in the new place.
30:51
They just have two of the same thing.
30:52
Like it's kind of, it's kind of mundane, like a lot of the, the
30:58
mechanics, but it can look magical.
31:01
That's the whole point of it. So I use that and I say, look,
31:05
if I, if I explain about neuroplasticity, you know, how
31:10
neural pathways are built, how belief systems self perpetuate
31:13
certain behaviours and thoughts, kind of takes the magic away
31:18
from it. You know, and you're not here to
31:20
be educated about all this kind of stuff.
31:22
You're here to create a change, and in the same way that only a
31:27
magician you know is is going to a magic show to.
31:31
Kind of Oh OK, like I. Could see the tiny, tiny wires
31:34
there. That's right.
31:35
Like, you know, and, and, and I think hypno hypnotherapists do
31:39
that naturally with mentalism. It's kind of like they're
31:42
they're looking for. Oh, OK.
31:44
Like they're, it might be priming or it might be based on
31:47
probability or it might be based on, you know, the, the tiny
31:50
pencil in there in the thumb and all this kind of stuff.
31:53
But, but actually, it kind of spoils it a bit in the same way
31:56
that I'm sure like if you're a special effects artist, like
31:59
watching an action movie isn't quite the same as if that's
32:02
right. Because if you do that, so you
32:04
know, having that element of almost kind of like separating,
32:10
like what's actually happening from the result, that's OK to,
32:15
to kind of lure them in. And, and, and if they say like
32:19
what's actually happening here, because sometimes people grew up
32:21
with, you know, in a lot of African, you know, kind of
32:25
upbringings, there is this connotation that hypnosis, kind
32:29
of like the devil's work, you know, and that kind of stuff.
32:32
Sometimes you need to kind of reassure certain kind of
32:36
inaccurate belief systems about what's actually happening.
32:40
And, and what I tell them is that it's enhanced
32:43
neuroplasticity when you're working with someone that knows
32:47
the terrain. Like one of my favorite
32:48
metaphors, if there's a fear of losing control or manipulation
32:52
is I'll say like, imagine if you're lost in a, in a big
32:55
forest and you're all by yourself and you meet someone
32:59
that knows the forest very well and they offer to lead you out
33:02
of the forest. Are you under the control of the
33:06
person that knows the forest? Or is it just in your interest
33:09
to follow someone that really knows that terrain well and you
33:14
know, and that that as a metaphor does apply to what we
33:19
do? You know, if we've worked with
33:21
hundreds and hundreds of clients, we're going to be more
33:23
familiar with the terrain of thoughts, beliefs and kind of
33:26
habits and, and blocks and the cognitive dissonance or the
33:30
secondary gains that keep them track.
33:32
We know that terrain. So we are in a better position
33:36
to help them than if they were to do it them themselves.
33:40
Now they can, you know, they, they some, sometimes I'll, I'll
33:45
give them an empowering suggestion on a consultation
33:47
call. I said you could probably figure
33:49
this out yourself, but what if it takes two or three years for
33:53
you to finally figure out and test everything that works?
33:56
You know, I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of
33:58
clients. I've seen many of them with a
34:00
very similar exactly your problem and they don't have that
34:03
problem anymore. You decide like you can figure
34:06
it out yourself, but it might just be quicker and more
34:08
efficient. That's right.
34:10
If you work with someone that's already already done this before
34:13
and and and that and I think it's pacing their experience
34:16
more because I, I wouldn't like this kind of guru LED kind of
34:21
thing. It's kind of like only I can
34:24
help you. Only I can fix you.
34:25
It's it's it kind of streams of kind of ego and bullshit.
34:29
And it's kind of like no, like clients can, can I'm well
34:33
capable of fixing themselves Like they could, they could read
34:36
a few books. They could, they could kind of
34:40
test out different kind of things, you know, but there's
34:43
certain things that are helpful. What are the meta beliefs?
34:46
What are the beliefs about beliefs?
34:47
What are the beliefs about change?
34:49
And, and sometimes like you just have to change a couple of the
34:52
preceding beliefs make the next belief that you change kind of
34:56
possible. And then what was immovable
35:00
becomes movable for regression. One of the one of the lines I
35:04
quite like is if I know I'm going to use regression in the
35:08
session, I'll say what's the biggest tree that you know?
35:13
And normally that kind of gets them into a place where they
35:17
kind of, they eyes up to the left.
35:19
They kind of imagine like a huge tree in a park in the garden.
35:21
And I said, how difficult would it be to remove that tree by its
35:25
roots now, bearing in mind it's the biggest tree they know and
35:28
they're picturing cranes. They're picturing like all the
35:31
chaos. And I say, right, how would you
35:34
think that tree is in 100 years, 200 years?
35:37
And I said, if you could go back in time when that tree was just
35:41
a tiny little sapling, how easy would it be to take it out by
35:44
the roots then? And they're literally in their
35:46
mind, I mean, this is, this is the James trip.
35:48
Like there's no induction there. But this is, this is hypnosis.
35:51
In that moment, they're literally imagining plucking
35:53
that tree out with their hand, and they're like, oh, it's easy.
35:56
OK, So what if we go back to when that this problem was
36:00
created? It has the connotation, the
36:03
presupposition that changes. Easy.
36:05
If we go back. To the point of instruction.
36:08
I'm totally going to steal that one.
36:11
That's a beautiful metaphor. I love that.
36:13
And it go, it even loops back to what you're saying before about
36:16
the plumber. You know, like, OK, you find the
36:19
tree or you find the pipe and you go back to when change is
36:23
easy. I love that.
36:25
And it's not necessarily true because there's a lot of people
36:29
that believe like you can never really know the root cause
36:32
because there's too many variables.
36:33
That's not what's important. The important thing is, is that
36:36
if they subscribe to the idea that the change is now easy
36:39
because we've identified the right tree at the right time,
36:43
that itself becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
36:45
Like a lot of a lot of mentalism is the, is the pre cell is the
36:49
priming, as is hypnotherapy. Like you've got to get them
36:52
invested in the, in the approach before you do the approach.
36:56
So you kind of know it's going to increase the probability of
36:59
success. That's right.
37:01
I love that. And Speaking of loops, you do a
37:05
lot of loops or you call it embedded loops.
37:09
And that's one of my favorite things.
37:11
And it's amazing to me how a lot of people learning it just are
37:14
confused. But for for the layperson
37:17
listening or watching, what is what you do?
37:20
Do you call it embedded loops or do you call it something else?
37:23
Yeah. So I like the conventional term
37:27
for it in hypnotherapy would be nested loops, which is the idea
37:30
of there's a story within a story within a story.
37:33
And I think I think it's one of the coolest things.
37:36
And when you see people exceptionally good at that, like
37:39
Richard Bandler or Mike Mandel, that he's great with these kind
37:42
of stories within stories. And my issue with that is it
37:46
felt like you've got to, you've got to memorize tons of stories,
37:51
pick the right ones, know how to open the loops.
37:54
It felt clunky to me. And where it changed is the
38:00
early days of my podcast. I I started getting inspiration
38:04
for hypnotherapy sessions from movies and I tried to turn the
38:09
movie Inception into a hypnotherapy session.
38:13
And it just struck me the how I learned about nested loops
38:16
seemed to map over with the storyline of Inception, this
38:19
idea of dreams within dreams within dreams.
38:22
And then I thought, well, how difficult would it be to follow
38:25
the storyline of Inception if every level of the dream was in
38:29
a similar kind of location? What makes it possible to follow
38:33
is that they're on the plane and then they're in the van, and
38:37
then they're in the hotel, and then they're in the snow
38:39
fortress, and then they're in this kind of limbo apocalyptic
38:42
city, like, you know where you are based on the environmental
38:45
context. And I thought rather than
38:47
thinking of nested loops as stories within stories, what if
38:53
I thought about it as levels of disassociation?
38:57
So you take them from one place to a different place to a
39:00
different place, Not in a linear way that you go there and you go
39:04
into this place and you go back, and then you go to there.
39:05
But within that place, it's then in other places, then the other
39:09
place, and you open loops at each of those levels.
39:13
And then you use mnemonics to make sure you can find your way
39:16
back. Then you've got infinite
39:18
creativity to do it in real time and not need to kind of memorize
39:24
millions of stories like you. It's kind of like nobody can,
39:29
unless you're really good at lucid dreaming, you can't plan
39:32
the, the context of the dream. Dreams generative like they,
39:37
they happen while you're dreaming.
39:40
And it's kind of like, why can't a hypnotherapy session?
39:43
If you know the outcome that you want to create for the client
39:46
and you know the kind of rough techniques or kind of protocols
39:48
that you're going to use, why not create a storyline that's
39:52
generative in real time? So you don't need to, you don't
39:55
need to remember it. You've got the mnemonics to kind
39:58
of find your way back so you don't get lost in your own
40:00
loops. And, and I like it because it
40:04
makes it more creative and intellectually stimulating for
40:07
me, But it was so it gives the client like a really unique
40:11
experience and, and, and particularly like because I do
40:15
it in real time and I don't, I don't plan the structure of them
40:19
beforehand and all these things that we were talking about
40:22
before the session. The client then gets this kind
40:25
of 2025 minute hypnotic hypnotic experience where all the things
40:29
we were talking about in the induction then end up in this
40:31
story craft in real time. You get this kind of like the
40:35
chills down the back. They're like, how did you do
40:37
that? Like in and it's for me, I like
40:41
that kind of reaction because I want to give them experience,
40:43
not just reading a script at them or you do the same protocol
40:48
and modality every time. That's right.
40:50
And, and, and, and I mean, there's certain hypnotherapists
40:54
that they're, they're totally invested in their model or their
40:58
protocol. But, but I think the danger of
41:00
that is that there is the risk that you're forcing the client
41:06
to kind of fit the structure of your model or your system rather
41:13
than actually doing what works. So I I look at all these
41:17
different techniques as kind of tools in the toolbox and nested
41:21
loops means that you've got the the freedom to use all of these.
41:25
You can use idiomotor responses, you can use parts therapy, you
41:28
can use ego state therapy, you can use regression and timeline
41:31
within the structure of nested loops.
41:33
So it makes it more creative, but it doesn't limit me or or
41:38
being tribal about or I have to use this and I can't use this.
41:41
It's like we we should use them all like whatever's helpful for
41:45
the. Client, I love the idea.
41:47
It's a creative act like you're creating something with your
41:51
client. It's a it's a unique experience
41:53
and I love that. And you mentioned mnemonic, like
41:57
benchmarks or little placeholders.
41:59
What do you mean by that? Like what do you?
42:01
What do you leave? To get yourself back out of
42:04
those loops. Yeah.
42:05
So if you if you remember the Hansel and Gretel story where
42:09
they kind of they go, I was. Just saying that the bread
42:11
crumbs are a little. Trail yeah, yeah and and the
42:14
reason that they they end up in the candy house and get eaten by
42:17
the witch is because their bread crumbs get eaten by the forest
42:19
animals and they get lost in the woods.
42:21
I think a lot of hypnotherapists don't use nested loops because
42:23
there's a fear that they're not going to be able to find their
42:27
way back in reverse order through their nested loops.
42:30
So mnemonics is helpful. And I'll ask you this question.
42:36
When was the last time you either read or saw the movie?
42:40
You know the the first of the the Narnia Chronicles, The Lion,
42:44
the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Oh man, it's been, I would say
42:48
at least 10 years at. Least 10 years, Yeah.
42:50
How do they get from their home to Narnia?
42:54
Through the through the cupboard, they open the closet
42:57
and walk. Through through the wardrobe.
42:59
Now it's been 10 years and you can still record that.
43:02
That's a mnemonic that gets them from reality to this imaginative
43:08
world. And the wardrobe is the bridge,
43:11
it's the portal that does that. That's a mnemonic.
43:14
If you can remember that after 10 years, the same structure of
43:19
that. So a mnemonic just means memory
43:21
tool means that you can remember it within a a 40 minute hypnosis
43:26
session. Got it.
43:27
Because structurally it's the absurdity and, and the fact that
43:30
it's bizarre. And in Alice in Wonderland, it
43:33
was a rabbit hole, right? You know and.
43:37
That's a great book too. Yeah, it is.
43:40
And, and, and all of these things and, and in fact, there's
43:43
levels of disassociation within Alice in Wonderland because it's
43:48
not just what, it's not just through the rabbit hole.
43:50
Quite often she then shrinks and grows and there's, there's
43:53
different things that get her to different kind of parts of the
43:55
story. That's, you know, if I didn't do
43:58
a hypnosis session on Inception, I could have done it on Alice in
44:00
Wonderland and that still would have revealed the structure of
44:03
nested loops in a, in a levels of disassociation, you know,
44:07
kind of way. So that that that's how I do it.
44:11
And, and I'll be, I'll be doing a one hour class of that in
44:15
Vegas on kind of the structure of it.
44:18
But then I'll be doing a one day mastery class where people are
44:22
actually learning the techniques so that they leave knowing
44:25
knowing how to do it. They've got the competency, not
44:28
just the theoretical knowledge of it.
44:30
So yeah, if there's any hypnotherapist the want to kind
44:33
of get good at that. And you don't have to take my
44:36
word that I know what I'm talking about.
44:37
I've got a podcast with 2000 episodes and more than 50% of
44:41
them use nested loops in my way. So you can just verify it by
44:44
listening to to some recordings. Yeah.
44:47
And we'll, we'll put the links in the descriptions for people
44:50
to go to that user. The hidden thoughts live in
44:52
Vegas or the One day ring that you have of course.
44:56
And of course we'll be linking to your podcast as well.
44:59
And they can play, they can go and have fun with these.
45:02
And do you 22 quick questions on these?
45:05
Do you take the first question is 1, do you tailor each of
45:09
those looped stories to the client?
45:13
And then two at the bottom, at the very bottom of all these
45:18
stories, do you do the direct suggestion?
45:22
So I do the direct, I'm going to answer this in reverse of this.
45:25
So I do the direct suggestions and metaphors throughout the
45:29
whole thing. It's not like we've got to get
45:32
to Level 3 or level 4 of disassociation and then the
45:34
hypnosis starts. Like I'll be giving them
45:37
positive suggestions, like right from take a deep breath in your
45:41
breathing and relaxation, your exhaling tension.
45:43
That's a suggestion. And that's in the 1st 10 seconds
45:45
of the hypnosis. We don't have to wait until
45:48
they're all these levels down. Is it personalized?
45:51
Yes, because if I'm going to create something brand new, why
45:55
wouldn't I make it incredibly relevant to the client that I'm
45:58
working with? Because they're the client
46:01
they're paying for. It's their experience.
46:03
So if I'm using regression, one of the levels of disassociation
46:07
makes sense to be their past. And if I'm doing future pacing,
46:10
one of the levels of disassociation makes sense to be
46:13
their future. And depending on what the issue
46:17
is, I normally make the first level of disassociation a
46:21
reasonably recent memory that has positive emotional anchors
46:25
or associations. Most people in the Western world
46:30
are too stressed and or too anxious.
46:34
So if I'll ask you this, Ryan, like in the last five years,
46:38
where is the the single place in the world where you felt the
46:40
most relaxed? And it's it's fascinating
46:47
because I questioned elicits in me like, OK, so I look at the
46:50
timeline, first five years, and then I start searching in the
46:54
filing cabinet, OK, five years. And yet my brain wanted to go
46:58
beyond five years and be like, OK, it's when I went to Hawaii
47:02
on the beach, I was just relaxed, you know, and then the
47:05
mind goes to, OK, it wasn't even five years ago.
47:08
It was this morning when I did my meditation.
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That was incredibly relaxing. So then it's it's funny how the
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mind works. I don't know if that helps your
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your answer. No, it does.
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So let let's just say that because it might be when you
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meditate, you take yourself, you know, to a place that you can
47:24
recall like being relaxed as as well.
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But let's just say Hawaii for you is kind of like a place of
47:30
relaxation. Now, that could be on the side
47:33
of a volcano. It could be, you know, on a
47:36
lounge by a pool, or it could be on a beach.
47:37
Like when you were in Hawaii, feeling relaxed, Like where was
47:40
that for you? On the beach, feeling the breeze
47:44
even though it was warm from the sun, feeling the breeze, hearing
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the noise of the seagulls and hearing the noise of the ocean
47:54
waves. Amazing.
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So so given I'm going to do an example for you anyway.
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So if if I was working with you, I would make the first level
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Hawaii on the beach, feeling that breeze and that.
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And then let's say, just just so we can kind of have some fun
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here, think of a historical landmark that exists somewhere
48:18
in the world. Any historical landmark.
48:22
Yeah, so like a place in place in history?
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Yeah, so I was just the first thing that popped my mind was
48:28
the Eiffel Tower. Eiffel Tower.
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OK so normally if I'm doing this with a client, I'd be making
48:35
like rough notes so Hawaii and stop working Eiffel Tower OK so
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we've got that and now now think of a an imaginary place.
48:55
So it doesn't actually exist. Yeah, but you can, you can kind
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of you've heard so it don't use this but like Atlantis for
49:05
example or right? Right.
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Well, we can go back to the Christian you know, heaven.
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OK. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of
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stories what heaven means like to people.
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I like that. And then let's think of a
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fictional place within a book, a book or a movie.
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It definitely doesn't. It doesn't exist, but you can
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think of that place. Great.
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I'm thinking the first thing I can mind is Star Wars and the
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where Luke Skywalker grew up. There's that place Obi Wan took
49:45
him to the. Cantina.
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Yeah, yeah. What was that?
49:49
Because it was a planet and it gets destroyed by the Death
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Star, doesn't it? What?
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Tatooine. Tatooine OK, so you can tell I'm
49:56
not that into Star Wars, but I knew it was a planet.
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So tattooing. OK, and let's let's give it one
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more. What kind of thing?
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Let's give it a theme of the whole thing.
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So it could be insight, it could be change, it could be like, and
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let's make it broad so that any of the audience would benefit.
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Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if this is
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powerful enough, but. Patience, patience.
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I like it. And almost like with the
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patient's belief, and then I use a metaphor there of the farmer
50:45
that goes to plant the seeds and he has to have patience for them
50:50
to grow. Because for me, like sometimes I
50:52
like, I plant the seed and then the next day I open, I was like,
50:55
where are all my carrots? I planted the carrots.
50:58
Why aren't they here yet? So patience and belief in
51:01
knowing that the carrots will show up.
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Amazing. So are you OK if I do like a
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little demo and and this will just be like 10-15 minutes or
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so, but. Yeah.
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And this is perfect for whoever is it's listening.
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And we could close it out with this.
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This is This is. Perfect.
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Yeah, amazing. So what I'll do is I'll I'll
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record it. Obviously it's being recorded
51:26
here, but I'm going to record an extra version here as well.
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Take a deep breath in, and as you breathe in, breathe in that
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resourceful feeling of calm and relaxation.
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And as you exhale, that's in. Just relax those eyelids,
52:22
feeling heavier and relaxed. Breathing and relaxation and
52:32
exhaling tension. Almost like each breath takes
52:37
you deeper and deeper. Relaxed.
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I want you to think of a colour that represents pure peace.
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Imagine breathing in that colour of peace and as you exhale, give
53:03
permission to release anything that might impede peace, any
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frustration, anger, stress or anxiety.
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Imagine it leaving your body just like shadows leaving your
53:22
body in your outward breath. As you breathe in, breathe in
53:29
deeper than you normally would, and as you exhale, just allow
53:37
that outward breath to continue for longer than it normally
53:43
would. The deeper you breathe, the more
53:48
relaxed you feel, and the more relaxed you feel, the deeper you
53:53
breathe. And as your body relaxes, your
53:57
imagination awakens. I want you to imagine scrolling
54:06
on your phone, looking at photos.
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And sometimes people do this based on location.
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So imagine clicking into that section where you can see
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different parts of the world and just hone in to an island there
54:26
in the middle of the Pacific. And as you get closer, you see
54:33
10s, perhaps hundreds of photos there in one of the islands.
54:40
Zoom in closer and notice there's a cluster of pictures on
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a beach. I want you to imagine selecting
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one of those photos, perhaps, perhaps of the sea with a
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horizon. And just as Mary Poppins was
55:06
able to jump into a picture next to a park, imagine stepping into
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that photo on your phone and arriving there on a beach in
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Hawaii. Imagine you're wearing whatever
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clothing is appropriate to be on that sandy beach under blue
55:31
skies, feeling the warmth of the sun on your skin.
55:38
But I want you to connect with that feeling of a gentle breeze,
55:44
feeling the breeze there on your skin and there in that place,
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just imagine, even if there was people here in your imagination,
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it's private. You have the whole beach to
56:01
yourself. And I want you to imagine
56:05
somewhere on the beach looks like a treasure chest.
56:09
And the treasure chest has a combination lock and you don't
56:16
know the number yet. Imagine walking down that beach,
56:24
feeling deeper and deeper, relaxed.
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And I want you to see a door that is not connected to a
56:33
building, just a door floating there on the beach, on the sand.
56:43
And I want you to imagine, but as I countdown from 5 to 1, you
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will imagine opening that door, walking through the door, and
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imagine arriving. At the very.
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Top platform on the Eiffel Tower in Paris, but for now you're on
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a beach in Hawaii. 5 Putting your hand on the handle. 4
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Turning the handle, reopening the door to walking through the
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door and one closing the door behind you and notice, notice
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you're now on the top platform looking out at the skyline of
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Paris. And I want you to connect with a
57:38
feeling here of perspective, because you're so high up and
57:45
you can see for miles around. I want you to connect to the
57:50
perspective in your own life that if in doubt, zoom out.
57:58
And instead of seeing the towns, the districts of Paris, I want
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you to imagine seeing your own life as if from up above.
58:15
Different districts, different regions, different parts of your
58:18
life, health, finances, family, work.
58:23
And from all the way up here, you may get an insight of subtle
58:30
changes that need to take place, not because they have to, but
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because you are the architect of your life.
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I want you to get a sense that here is also where you connect
58:48
with something from your past that was once influential.
58:55
There, on that top platform of the Eiffel Tower, I want you to
58:59
see a glowing colour. And this glowing colour
59:04
represents a resource from your past that you don't use much
59:09
anymore, but your life would benefit hugely if you did.
59:19
But I want you to keep that glowing colour there.
59:23
Don't absorb it yet. As for a bizarre reason, there
59:29
is a wardrobe there on the top platform of the Eiffel Tower.
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I want you to imagine opening the door of the wardrobe and
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walking in, seeing coats and jackets and shirts.
59:48
But this wardrobe doesn't seem to end.
59:52
It looked like a small wardrobe from the outside, but as you go
59:57
further and further, it has no end.
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Until you see a glowing light at the end of that wardrobe.
1:00:06
Pure bright glowing light. And as you finally get to the
1:00:13
end of the wardrobe, it dawns on you.
1:00:17
You are no longer in an earthly realm.
1:00:24
You. You are in heaven.
1:00:30
And your imagination has an idea of what heaven is like.
1:00:36
And I want you to imagine you're getting a glimpse of what it
1:00:41
would be like if you were no longer alive.
1:00:46
And I want you to imagine you're there with God or an Angel,
1:00:52
reviewing your life, Those things you're proud of, those
1:00:59
regrets, with one key thought. Seeing your life as if it's
1:01:07
over. If you could go back and make
1:01:12
just one change, what change would you make?
1:01:18
But don't answer that question yet.
1:01:23
Just ask yourself the question, allowing your unconscious to
1:01:28
give it consideration. Connect with joy, love and peace
1:01:35
there in heaven. And then notice.
1:01:41
Notice a child's slide there in heaven, a long slide.
1:01:52
I want you to connect to that inner child within you and
1:01:55
imagine climbing up the steps of that child's slide.
1:02:03
And as you slide all the way down that slide, I want you to
1:02:10
feel that you're going further and further down.
1:02:15
And when you finally get to the end, you're no longer in heaven.
1:02:23
You are on a planet called Tatooine.
1:02:28
I want you to imagine it's sandy dunes and deserts and I don't
1:02:39
know if you go to a village or a bar with strange creatures, but
1:02:47
there is wisdom on this planet, a level of wisdom that can
1:02:54
enhance your life when you finally return.
1:02:59
And maybe the wisdom is contained and someone old
1:03:03
wearing a robe, someone that possesses a force, a wisdom and
1:03:10
intelligence. And just imagine that old wise
1:03:15
man telling you something that becomes a seedable.
1:03:25
The later awakeners distilled wisdom.
1:03:32
When you've heard the message but not made sense of the wisdom
1:03:35
yet, let me know about nodding your head.
1:03:38
That's it. And I want you to get a sense
1:03:48
that somewhere on the planet of Tatooine is a solitary place,
1:03:58
just you, perhaps in nature, perhaps inside you can just
1:04:03
imagine sitting with yourself. There is resources, new beliefs,
1:04:11
new potentials, new perspective that all are available in your
1:04:19
future. And I want you to notice where
1:04:23
patients exist within and give permission.
1:04:29
To. Amplify that feeling of patience
1:04:33
so that all of those things that are yet to come are given
1:04:39
permission to come when they're meant to come.
1:04:44
I want you to scan your body for where you feel that patience and
1:04:50
just point where patience seems like it would have a home within
1:04:54
you. That's it.
1:04:59
Imagine it as a shape, as a colour, expanding, glowing,
1:05:03
spinning perhaps. And as it glows and spins, feel
1:05:09
patience within you, expanding, resonating, vibrating to every
1:05:14
cell in your body. And when you feel that you have
1:05:19
reactivated patience, the kind of patience that will enhance
1:05:26
your life, reduce triggers, reduce unnecessary anger and
1:05:34
frustration, let me know about nodding your head.
1:05:40
So leave that place, but take the patience with you, knowing
1:05:44
that the wisdom from that old man on Tatooine will reveal
1:05:48
itself when the time is right. I want you to imagine seeing a
1:05:56
slide there on Tatooine, but you're climbing up the slide
1:06:01
now. Time is distorted.
1:06:06
Maybe it was minutes, hours, or days or weeks, but eventually
1:06:11
you arrive at a place that you can only identify as heaven.
1:06:19
And there I want you to feel that the answer to that question
1:06:25
of if you could go back and change anything in your life,
1:06:30
what would it be, will either reveal itself now or come to you
1:06:38
as an epiphany, a Eureka moment. Want you to imagine seeing what
1:06:49
looks to be a wardrobe, the back of a wardrobe.
1:06:55
Imagine walking through that back of the wardrobe, rushing
1:07:00
past jackets and coats, jumpers and clothes, and eventually,
1:07:05
after a long walk, you find yourself there on the top
1:07:11
platform of the Eiffel Tower. And there on that top platform
1:07:21
is a glowing colour that represents a resource, A
1:07:27
resource that you need right now, A resource from your past.
1:07:35
Clutch it with both hands and absorb it there into your chest
1:07:38
and feel that you are absorbing that resource.
1:07:45
And then notice beside the wardrobe is a door.
1:07:49
And just imagine, written on that door are 4 numbers.
1:07:58
Remember those numbers and walk through the door and find
1:08:00
yourself on a beach in Hawaii. And on that beach in Hawaii is a
1:08:07
treasure chest with a combination lock.
1:08:12
And there are 4 numbers written on that door that open that
1:08:17
lock. And just imagine opening that
1:08:24
lock. The treasure chest is opened,
1:08:30
and maybe it is full of gold and jewels and coins or maybe
1:08:35
memories and insights and beliefs.
1:08:39
But there is one item in that treasure chest that is more
1:08:44
valuable than all the rest combined.
1:08:49
You may know what it means, or just take it and the object that
1:08:54
represents it may be a jam, a jewel, solid gold.
1:09:00
Hold it in your hand and then imagine.
1:09:06
Imagine seeing somewhere on that beach is a phone.
1:09:10
Jump into the phone and imagine you're staring at the phone
1:09:14
looking at photos of Hawaii and realise you've been on a
1:09:21
wonderful journey in your imagination.
1:09:23
A journey of dreams within dreams, thoughts within
1:09:27
thoughts, ideas within ideas. But now it's time to return to
1:09:32
the present. But you return with that
1:09:35
patience, without wisdom, with that one change that could be
1:09:44
useful to make, with a new level of resourcefulness and something
1:09:51
valuable that will enhance the quality of your life.
1:09:56
Time to return now. So take a deep breath in through
1:09:58
your nose and out through your nose.
1:10:03
Just wiggle your fingers, wiggle your toes, connect and calibrate
1:10:06
into the here and the now as I now count from 1:00 to 10:00 to
1:10:11
awaken you. Starting to count 123 waking up
1:10:15
45. Six more alert. 7-8 Open your
1:10:19
eyes, Open your eyes 910 Wide awake, Wide awake, wide awake.
1:10:28
And fantastic, masterful. I love all the devices that you
1:10:35
put in there and all the suggestion and just prove how
1:10:38
well that works and great. I love and I, I know that
1:10:43
everyone that listens or watches this is going to get a lot out
1:10:46
of that as well. Even though it's tailored to the
1:10:48
questions you asked me, there's a lot that they could go on the
1:10:51
journey and experience for themselves.
1:10:54
Yeah. And I think, I think one of the
1:10:56
key things there is that, you know, that that isn't something
1:10:59
that I could have scripted or written.
1:11:03
You know, all I had is kind of four, four places written down
1:11:06
on a piece of paper just to kind of remember.
1:11:09
But what's interesting there is that the structure of nested
1:11:11
loops of you have, you have a story, you know, a beach in
1:11:16
Hawaii and you open a loop, a locked treasure chest.
1:11:18
And then you go into a story within a story on the Eiffel
1:11:21
Tower. Why?
1:11:22
We don't know. And there is a glowing resource,
1:11:25
but we don't know what the resource is yet.
1:11:27
And then we go in a wardrobe and there is a change about your
1:11:29
past, but we don't know what change to make yet.
1:11:32
And what we're doing here is we're opening the loops and we
1:11:34
only close them when we go backwards, not we don't close
1:11:37
them in the moment. And that's why it does mirror
1:11:40
the idea of nested loops quite well because you've got levels
1:11:43
of disassociation open loops and then in reverse sort of closing
1:11:47
the loops. And that's what, that's what
1:11:48
I'll be teaching people how to do in, in HIP.
1:11:51
No thoughts. Beautiful and your one day clap.
1:11:54
When is that one day thing that you're offering?
1:11:57
Hidden Thoughts finishes on the Sunday and my one day workshop
1:11:59
is on the Monday. Oh, so the workshop is also at
1:12:02
Hidden Thoughts Live the yeah, it's it's.
1:12:04
Literally it's a post conference workshop so it's the it's the
1:12:06
first full day after in my thoughts.
1:12:08
Live image. Cool.
1:12:09
So we'll we'll include the links to hidden thoughts live as well
1:12:13
as how they get in touch with you as well.
1:12:16
And before we close, is there just one quick little message
1:12:20
that you want the whole world to know?
1:12:23
I would say change is not just possible, it's inevitable.
1:12:29
You can't not change, so if you're going to change anyway,
1:12:31
you might as well change in positive directions.
1:12:34
I love it. Thank you so much, Adam Cox.
1:12:37
I appreciate you being here and sharing what you know, and I
1:12:41
know that people are going to walk away from this feeling so
1:12:43
much better and positive about the change that they will see in
1:12:47
their own lives. Thank you so much.
1:12:49
Take care, Ryan. Bye.
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