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Jaguars offense after James Robinson trade | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, October 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jacks Drive Tony with Ashley and Sullim songs, John Oceans
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Speaker 1: and Bryan Sexton Jangs Drive Time. It starts right now,
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Speaker 1: get the offense ready. Doug Pearson's gonna take the penalty
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Speaker 1: But great job. Let's head coach Doug Peterson miked up
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Speaker 1: full episode now on Jaguars dot Com. Welcome to Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Dry Time on a Wednesday morning. Ashlyn, Bryan and John
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Speaker 1: here with you. Lots of talk about a trade occurred
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Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon that we have a lot to talk about.
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Speaker 1: I know, it's um it's big news, it's surprising news.
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Speaker 1: In a sense, Um, we just let you jump right
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Speaker 1: into big thing absolutely all right, let's get into big things.
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Speaker 1: Big thing one is James Robinson traded to the New
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Speaker 1: York Jets, getting a conditional six round draft pick for
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Speaker 1: the trade. We're gonna talk a great link next segment
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Speaker 1: about what this means for James Robinson, the Jaguars moveing,
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Speaker 1: what this means for the current running back room. So
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Speaker 1: let's go into big Thing two, which is unrelenting optimism.
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Speaker 1: Despite a four game losing streak, the vibe in this
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Speaker 1: building is still somewhat high. I mean higher than you
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Speaker 1: would expect for four game lowsing troope because see because
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Speaker 1: we've seen the opposite end of that. Tyson Campbell on
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Speaker 1: why it's so high in this building. You know, when
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Speaker 1: adversity hits um, you know, not everybody you know hand
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Speaker 1: is it the same. So you know, as a team,
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Speaker 1: you feel like when we get the adversity, that's the
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Speaker 1: perfect time where we gotta just you know, embrace each
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Speaker 1: other and come together to include. And finally, Big Thing
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Speaker 1: three is get them back turnovers. At one point this
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Speaker 1: season where the definition of what this Jaguars defense is
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Speaker 1: and they have been totally apt in the past couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks Coach Peterson and how the defense can get
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Speaker 1: back to that identity. The other thing, too, is just, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, we we've got to understand as players too
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Speaker 1: that you know, we we've got to do our best
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Speaker 1: to create turnovers. We can punch at the football or
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Speaker 1: or you know, uh, swipe of the football, or it's
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Speaker 1: somebody tip passes or just kind of falling out of
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Speaker 1: reach of our players, you know, getting hands on the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: getting sacks, whatever it is. We've we've got to you know,
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Speaker 1: we've got a better figure that out. And sometimes they
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Speaker 1: do come in bunches. Um, but we've got to get
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Speaker 1: back to what we did I think in the first
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Speaker 1: part of the season, how we started the season with
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Speaker 1: with getting after his quarterback, creating turnovers and again understanding
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Speaker 1: what all players do best. The Jaguar is getting ready
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Speaker 1: to play a game in London against the Denver Broncos
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Speaker 1: on Sunday, getting ready to leave for that game tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: and truthfully, I haven't even really thought about the game,
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Speaker 1: to be honest, because this James Robinson news has been
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Speaker 1: the storyline so far. This week. We'll transition to the
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Speaker 1: game later on today. But that is the overarching thing
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Speaker 1: everyone is talking about this week, Brian, I guess so um.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a good move on the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: part because it was clear to me that James was
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Speaker 1: not going to be the kind of back that Doug
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Speaker 1: Morone is going to use. James is a guy who
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Speaker 1: gets stronger as the game goes along. He needs tive carries.
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Speaker 1: Who's gonna get twenty five carries, especially with Travis E
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Speaker 1: t n So for the Jaguars to get something for
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Speaker 1: a guy that they gave nothing for um and he,
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Speaker 1: let's be honest, he got a short shelf life here
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Speaker 1: because he's not that kind of back that Doug gonna use. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they found a home for him, and it's a good
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Speaker 1: opportunity for him. It's good for them. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a statement, John and and the statement is is that
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Speaker 1: Doug is going to remake this team in the image
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Speaker 1: of a team that he wants to coach, that he
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Speaker 1: believes will win at James didn't necessarily fit that, even
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Speaker 1: though he'd been the most productive player around here for
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Speaker 1: the last two years. Yeah, I think if if he'd
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Speaker 1: been in the first year of his a four year deal,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think his moves made um. The other
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Speaker 1: reality is in the NFL right now, he's coming up
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Speaker 1: on a contract, meaning in in February or March, you're
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Speaker 1: going to have to sit down and figure out what
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Speaker 1: to pay him. Uh right now. In the NFL, if
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Speaker 1: you're on that second contract moment, you better be Zeke
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Speaker 1: Elliott big time guy. And James Robinson was very productive player,
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Speaker 1: but he's not seen around the NFL as that level
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Speaker 1: of running back. Certainly that you pay that. You know,
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Speaker 1: this team isn't strapped against the cap, but it doesn't
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Speaker 1: have this cap space that it did last year to
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Speaker 1: just sort of give that money away freely. If he
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Speaker 1: would have signed a long term deal, it was going
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Speaker 1: to be a a big push and pull over worth
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Speaker 1: on each side. So I don't think it's gonna happen here.
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Speaker 1: So with ten games left, it makes it makes sense
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Speaker 1: to do it. I don't know that I would have
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Speaker 1: done it because I'm not a big sixth round pick guy.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that has that kind of value, But
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Speaker 1: I understand if you do value this, which this team does,
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Speaker 1: then I understand why they made the move. Much more
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Speaker 1: to talk about with the running back situation in our
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Speaker 1: next block. Let's go to big thing too, which is
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Speaker 1: the optimism in this building. And I think that's a
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Speaker 1: testament to Coach Peterson because Tyson Campbell mentioned on Monday.
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Speaker 1: While yes, they are working and win every single game
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Speaker 1: and it's a one week mindset, every player also has
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Speaker 1: the big picture of what this team an organization are
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Speaker 1: trying to beat. Tyson mention it that Coach Peterson talks
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Speaker 1: about that, Hey, this is bigger than just this season,
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Speaker 1: and I think when you hear players talk about that,
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Speaker 1: it's definitely coming through the meeting room on Sunday's the
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Speaker 1: losses are crushing. Uh, when you go back on Monday,
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Speaker 1: if you do and watch the tape and watch what
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Speaker 1: you see, this thing is coming right, I mean you yeah,
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Speaker 1: you look and find a player who didn't play well
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Speaker 1: and then you see that it well, it was Trayvon
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Speaker 1: Walker who didn't play the run very well, or Devin
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Speaker 1: Lloyd who struggled against the run in Philadelphia, and you
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Speaker 1: realize what they rookies, they're coming. This thing is on
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Speaker 1: its way. There are still a couple of things that
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Speaker 1: need to be added to it, but the optimism is
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Speaker 1: based on reality, not just hopeless you know, affection. It's
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Speaker 1: real when you see it. They've still got things to do,
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Speaker 1: but it's coming hopeless affection with my nickname in high school.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad it can set you up. But I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I call it unrelenting optimism. I think there
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Speaker 1: is remaining optimism. I think it's there. Uh, it's not
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Speaker 1: just rah rah rah right now. It's we gotta get
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Speaker 1: stuff fixed in the long run with this franchise. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not I am so not worried about the offensive offense.
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Speaker 1: It's is ranked seventh and total yards in the league.
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Speaker 1: They had six drives over sixty yards the other day.
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna add a couple of pieces in
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Speaker 1: the offseason and get this offense really going, because I
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Speaker 1: don't think they have outside of Travis e t n
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Speaker 1: elite breakaway touchdown guy on offense. Yet add one of
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Speaker 1: those and boy, they're going offensively. Um, defensively is a
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Speaker 1: thing right now. I mean, you haven't had a turnover
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Speaker 1: in three games, and you also have given up four
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Speaker 1: yards the last two games in different ways. Uh. Doug
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Speaker 1: talked I think it was Monday. He talked about going
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Speaker 1: back and figuring out game plan wise, if they're doing
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Speaker 1: the right things. And I'm paraphrasing that I'm getting it right,
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Speaker 1: but that was the gist of it. Uh, defense right
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Speaker 1: now is the issue on this team. But there are
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Speaker 1: answers on the field. You have young players, guys like
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Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell, guys like Andre cisco Lloyd and um Walker. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that guy, you've got something things around which you can
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Speaker 1: really build and you've got some beef inside you can
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Speaker 1: fix it. To me, I think maybe it's some scheme.
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Speaker 1: I think there's some things that you mentioned, Doug did.
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Speaker 1: That's what it seems like the picture well, and then
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Speaker 1: I mentioned it on Monday, is you had that one
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Speaker 1: rollout play on the on the field goal drive that
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Speaker 1: made it a six point game so that the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: couldn't just kick a field goal and tight and send
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Speaker 1: it overtime. We're Travon Walker's the outside linebacker and Daniel
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Speaker 1: Jones rolls to his side on a fifteen yard game
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Speaker 1: and he runs away from it, just runs away from it.
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Speaker 1: But there's something there that's it's got to be translated better.
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Speaker 1: It's both they're looking at scheme, but Doug the thought
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Speaker 1: we ran the clip side. I said, um, when you
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Speaker 1: talk about when he said players need to figure out
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Speaker 1: way to punch the ball out. Players gotta make plays.
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Speaker 1: They gotta make big plays, they gotta get pressure, they
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Speaker 1: got to make plays in the moment. It's what this
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Speaker 1: team hasn't done yet this year, especially the guys that
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Speaker 1: you expect to make the place the stars of the defense.
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Speaker 1: If we will, all right, and that's big things when
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Speaker 1: we come back. A big look at this running back
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Speaker 1: room now that James Robinson has been traded to the
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Speaker 1: for abat Jaguars Drive Time on a Wednesday morning, taking
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Speaker 1: a big picture look at this Jaguars running back room
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Speaker 1: with the departure of James Robinson to the New York
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Speaker 1: Jets for a conditional six round draft pick that leaves
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Speaker 1: which we already knew it was the case. We talked
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Speaker 1: about this on Monday at great length that Travis e
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Speaker 1: Tn is your guy and that was a big reason
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Speaker 1: on why this trade happened. If the only reason, Yeah, of,
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Speaker 1: I'll leave this by the stat that I think defines
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Speaker 1: why this move was made. Um. And this is boring
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Speaker 1: because I'm saying, looking at my phone, reading a story
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Speaker 1: that I wrote earlier. This man comes with James Robinson
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Speaker 1: didn't carry on Sunday. But over the last a few games,
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Speaker 1: four games, I guess it is average seven point five
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Speaker 1: carries for point five yards e t N. During the
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Speaker 1: same span ten point five carries, so three more carries
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Speaker 1: but two yards. So and that's not to knock James Robinson. Um.
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Speaker 1: But within the scheme of what they're doing, Travis etan
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Speaker 1: is it is clearly the guy they're going to be
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Speaker 1: using with no other player explosive on the field right
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Speaker 1: now and not knock on the receivers. But we haven't
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Speaker 1: seen it yet. At some point, if you're Doug Peterson,
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Speaker 1: somebody comes and says, hey, we need to go more
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Speaker 1: with Robinson. He goes, how do you want to take
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Speaker 1: on the field. And he's not saying, boy, I don't
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Speaker 1: like James Robinson. He's saying, how in the world can
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Speaker 1: I take Travis on the field? Right camp that and
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Speaker 1: that's I think that's really the gist up. Totally agree.
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Speaker 1: There's all show. When Ja Michael Hasty got the carry
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Speaker 1: on which the school where the sixty one yard touchdown
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, my first thought was, I wonder why he's
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Speaker 1: out there instead of James because he's fast, exactly and
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Speaker 1: really the bottom line and that's it. Even though James
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Speaker 1: scored the fifty yard touchdown in Los Angeles when it
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Speaker 1: was perfectly blocked and jam Michaels was perfectly blocked, he
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Speaker 1: didn't have to make any moves. He just hit the
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Speaker 1: hole and he was gone. But that was a telling sign.
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Speaker 1: You know, doing this for three decades, you look for things,
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Speaker 1: and when he's out there, I thought, Okay, James is
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Speaker 1: falling down. We've seen his carries go right. Then in
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Speaker 1: the second quarter, Ja Michael Hasty gets his first carry
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Speaker 1: of the season instead of James Robinson. So I filed
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Speaker 1: that one away. So I'm not surprised by this. And
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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. They drafted Snoop Connor. He's not
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Speaker 1: been active right but he's on the active roster. Well,
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Speaker 1: at some point they were going to get him on
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Speaker 1: the field. You'd want to get him on the field.
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Speaker 1: And for all the other reasons we talked about at
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Speaker 1: the top of the show, there are reasons why they
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Speaker 1: moved on. John gave you the numerical side of it.
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Speaker 1: I just gave you the personnel side of it. And
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Speaker 1: then the top of it is is that this is
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Speaker 1: not a team that's going to give the ball to
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Speaker 1: Travis E. T N twenty five times. They wouldn't give
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Speaker 1: it to James Robinson five times. He's not going to
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Speaker 1: have the best chance to be the best kind of
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Speaker 1: running back he is here. So they found another home
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Speaker 1: for him, right, and I've seen the big argument is
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Speaker 1: God forbid, what if something happens to Travisy Tann and
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Speaker 1: what if he's off the field? Now you're screwed if
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Speaker 1: you're the Jaguars. Really not speed. He may not be
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Speaker 1: the same player. Obviously he's not. He was not a
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Speaker 1: first round pick and people should keep that in mind.
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Speaker 1: There was a reason why Travis E. T N was
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Speaker 1: selected with the pick in the first round, and there
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Speaker 1: was a reason why James Robinson wasn't drafted, and the
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Speaker 1: reason is speed. I think it is a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a gamble over the last ten games tonight have
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Speaker 1: James on the team. Uh. The other side of it is,
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Speaker 1: and I've not talked in depth to any scouts on
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Speaker 1: this team about how how they feel intrinsically about James Robinson. Um,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that they believe Okay, Travis gets
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Speaker 1: hurt and you go with Hasty, and you go with
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Speaker 1: Snoop and you go with one other guy off the street. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they believe that there is a
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Speaker 1: mammoth mammoth drop off there in terms of how this
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Speaker 1: team will perform doing that combination as opposed to having
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Speaker 1: James part of that combination, then it's not much of
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Speaker 1: a gamble. Yeah. So I and again I'm putting words
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Speaker 1: in people's mouth, but this move indicates to me that
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Speaker 1: that's how they feel about it, and that's I don't
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Speaker 1: know why else they would do it, right, That's a
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Speaker 1: big picture look at the current running back room for
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Speaker 1: There's this that we're back to Jaguar's drive time Wednesday morning,
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Speaker 1: which means it's time for this or that presented by
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Speaker 1: Price dot Com. Brian had a fabulous Yeah, you were
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Speaker 1: prepared on Monday. You said this is gonna be by
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Speaker 1: this or that on Wednesday and you had to change it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well because I said, um, James Robinson or Travis E.
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Speaker 1: T n um would you which I thought it was
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Speaker 1: an easy answered Travis E t n Travis Yeah right, good, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're done um. And then Slynn texts me last night
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Speaker 1: reminds me of what I had, and I was at
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Speaker 1: dinner with friends and I'd had a last too many
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Speaker 1: to wine. I just wasn't well, I'm just letting you know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't say it was six. It was
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Speaker 1: just one too many to come up with an idea
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Speaker 1: until just now. He said, not now, I'm busy, not now, please,
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Speaker 1: not now, but I have one for you this morning.
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Speaker 1: So I'm improvising here. There's no graphic, and that is
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Speaker 1: simply would you play in the trade market again or
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Speaker 1: will you stand pat with the roster? And I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily mean trading away your players. I mean if there's
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Speaker 1: somebody that enter. Did you would you trade either way?
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Speaker 1: Or are you standing pat with your roster? What is
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Speaker 1: there another week until the deadline. We're starting to see
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Speaker 1: some movement around the league. Would you play again? Is
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Speaker 1: there anything you want or anyone you think that you
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Speaker 1: can get something for. It depends on who's there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if if well, in this theoretical situation, everyone's there. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I would like to trade a seventh rounder for Jamaar
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Speaker 1: Chase seventh round. I like him. I mean that's sort
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Speaker 1: of the yeah, if I can get somebody to stretch
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Speaker 1: the field. But I don't. I don't really think you're
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Speaker 1: getting big time guy to stretch the field until the
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Speaker 1: draft next year. I think that's where they're going to
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Speaker 1: try to get it. So, uh, probably stand pat because
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Speaker 1: this team needs pass rush and it needs stretched the
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Speaker 1: field guy. And I don't know that you get that one. Yeah,
15:54
Speaker 1: you would question why are they available? If they are available,
15:56
Speaker 1: and especially you of course know the seller cut very well,
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Speaker 1: and from what I understand from what you tell me,
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Speaker 1: they are up against it. Could you be spending away
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Speaker 1: draft capital for something you're not sure it's gonna work out?
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Speaker 1: Your three million dollars roughly three million dollars in cap
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Speaker 1: space right now, and next year you're eleven and a
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Speaker 1: half million over if you keep everyone right, and of
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Speaker 1: course they won't. They'll they'll move some guys off, and
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Speaker 1: they'll figure a way to get towards that. But you
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Speaker 1: are tight to the cap this year and next and
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Speaker 1: with the understanding that after that it's wide open, right.
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Speaker 1: I mean they have not pushed money out. They have
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Speaker 1: specifically put themselves in this situation. And that's really the key, Bryan.
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Speaker 1: As you know, if there was a guy, if if
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Speaker 1: my guy Jamar Chase was available, Uh, they could make
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Speaker 1: moves and make that work. But in order to do that,
16:44
Speaker 1: you got to push money out. And they're in a
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Speaker 1: situation right now where unless it's special, they don't want
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Speaker 1: to get in that situation yet. Uh that they certainly
16:53
Speaker 1: don't want to do it for average or for plaging
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Speaker 1: holes in the damn if you will? Uh? And am
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Speaker 1: I this or that is also involving Travis E. T N.
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Speaker 1: Uh The most important player other than sixteen on this team.
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Speaker 1: Sixteen is Trevor Lawrence Ashlyn is Travis E. T N
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Speaker 1: or anybody else. I'm not saying Travis e t n
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Speaker 1: is the is the best player on this team other
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Speaker 1: than Lawrence, although in the last two or three weeks
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Speaker 1: you can make that case. But the most important in
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Speaker 1: terms of how they run the offense. I think they
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Speaker 1: showed you a little bit with the move how they
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Speaker 1: feel about Travis. I'm not so sure. He's not the
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Speaker 1: most important person on this team. He's the guy that
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Speaker 1: I don't want to see get hurt outside Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, because of the way the offense is
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Speaker 1: functioning and the explosives. Are we just talking offense? Well,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty play Logan cooks a big deal. But no, no,
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Speaker 1: we're we're we're. It's pretty important to travon Walker. Uh,
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Speaker 1: develop and we'll develop. I'm in terms of play and
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Speaker 1: performing on the field. They need pass rush, I mean,
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Speaker 1: they need plays on defense. There's no plays being made
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Speaker 1: on Yeah, I gets pretty important, and he's physically impressive.
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Speaker 1: I would think he would be someone to consider that
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Speaker 1: they could really use plays from right now for sure? Alright,
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Speaker 1: my this are that And this has brought up the
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Speaker 1: conversation with the James Robinson trade. Is some people and
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Speaker 1: I've been seeing this in articles and on social media. Well,
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Speaker 1: some people thought, well, James was gonna be your guy.
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Speaker 1: James is gonna be your contract guy that you extended
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Speaker 1: to keep here. So now that James Robinson has been
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Speaker 1: traded to the New York Judge and we all agree
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Speaker 1: that most likely wasn't going to happen, who is your
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Speaker 1: guy that you are extending? This brings up the conversation
18:36
Speaker 1: is at Josh Allen. Credit to Joan Taylor that he
18:38
Speaker 1: is now in this conversation because he is or is
18:41
Speaker 1: it someone else? If you're gonna pick who are you
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Speaker 1: extending to keep on this team, who is? Well? I
18:45
Speaker 1: would extend you want in this situation because you already
18:48
Speaker 1: have Josh Allen on the fifth year tag. Next year,
18:51
Speaker 1: he's on your cap for about twelve and a half
18:52
Speaker 1: million dollars. You can't extend him and and postpone right
18:57
Speaker 1: delay the conduct big balloon payment he's going to get
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Speaker 1: because twelve and a half million dollars will probably pay
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Speaker 1: his bills next year. And as long as you guarantee
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Speaker 1: the big money's coming right, which they would, then you
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Speaker 1: can extend him. So if you're looking to get clever,
19:12
Speaker 1: to get creative, Jowana is the guy you would do
19:14
Speaker 1: that with if you've decided that you want to keep him,
19:16
Speaker 1: because you're in a good situation with Josh having opted
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Speaker 1: in on the fifth year of his contract. You nailed
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Speaker 1: it in terms of timing. I'm gonna play really bad
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Speaker 1: TV and and bag off the question because I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love both these guys. I I hope
19:34
Speaker 1: they're both here for five years. I hope they both
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Speaker 1: excel and just half the season. Uh, Josh is a
19:40
Speaker 1: tough signing right now because I think it's gonna be big, big,
19:44
Speaker 1: big time money and it hasn't been big, big, big
19:47
Speaker 1: time performance yet at times, but not big time elite.
19:54
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor's done it for a few games. He's also
19:57
Speaker 1: right tackle, which as well as he's playing within the
20:01
Speaker 1: concept of your salary cap. You've already got Sheriff, You've
20:04
Speaker 1: already got Cam. Do you go big time right tackle?
20:07
Speaker 1: Some teams don't pay that much offensive So the question
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Speaker 1: wasn't would you do it? You know, are these guys
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Speaker 1: worthy of it? Is? Which one would you do? Um?
20:18
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that one. UM.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think that Cam Robinson was worthy of you know,
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Speaker 1: the twenty million dollar a year contract, and they did
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Speaker 1: it because they wanted to keep a good football player
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Speaker 1: on their roster. Um and as the argument, both of
20:32
Speaker 1: these guys, and he's played well, Cam's played well this year.
20:34
Speaker 1: He's I mean he's he's played well. He's worth the
20:37
Speaker 1: money right now, Um, there's ten games left. Um, Josh
20:42
Speaker 1: needs to make plays, not just for his contract, but
20:44
Speaker 1: for this football team. He's the guy on defense right now.
20:47
Speaker 1: He's the veteran, he's the pass rusher. They need to
20:50
Speaker 1: see it from one over the next ten games. And
20:54
Speaker 1: here's the other day. With both of these guys both
20:57
Speaker 1: really good. I don't know that both are all pro
21:01
Speaker 1: at the same time. If you don't resign them, then
21:04
Speaker 1: you've already got some holes in your roster you're trying
21:06
Speaker 1: to fill in the off season, and now you've got
21:08
Speaker 1: another one. So that's I don't know which way they'll go.
21:12
Speaker 1: That's why general manager to make a lot of money,
21:14
Speaker 1: because those are hard decisions to put it this way
21:17
Speaker 1: after there is no cap space issue, right, there's no
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Speaker 1: cap space. I'm not talking about cash right all the
21:26
Speaker 1: Mr Kan has always been willing to write the checks.
21:29
Speaker 1: They have the room to sign the guys they want
21:31
Speaker 1: to keep the players they want if they make a
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Speaker 1: good evaluation and decide that they're worth the money, all right,
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21:58
Speaker 1: The Jaguar is getting ready to head to London tomorrow
22:01
Speaker 1: afternoon to face the Denver Broncos. I just saw on
22:03
Speaker 1: Twitter that Russell Wilson is a limited participants in practice today.
22:07
Speaker 1: The Broncos headed to London on Monday, which is interesting,
22:10
Speaker 1: a different way to do things. But I feel like
22:12
Speaker 1: we've barely talked about we've done that, you know. I
22:14
Speaker 1: mean we've gone over on Sunday, We've gone over run Monday.
22:16
Speaker 1: I mean, teams have a different way of doing it.
22:18
Speaker 1: The Jaggars have gone on Thursday for so many years
22:20
Speaker 1: in a row. Now, Yeah, Well it's just a system
22:22
Speaker 1: that works for them. Yeah. I think Doug, I assume
22:25
Speaker 1: got here and probably asked the logistics people how do
22:28
Speaker 1: we do it? And they say bam bam bam ba
22:31
Speaker 1: and fine, that's the way to do it. And one
22:34
Speaker 1: thingful we closed. Uh. We've talked about why they got
22:36
Speaker 1: rid of James Robinson. I don't mean to minimize what
22:40
Speaker 1: he's meant to fans and what he did for two years.
22:43
Speaker 1: He was a good player on some bad teams and
22:46
Speaker 1: always handled himself I thought pretty well in some tough situations.
22:49
Speaker 1: So I liked Jay rob I wish him well. We've
22:53
Speaker 1: been trying to explain why they did it. Uh. You know,
22:57
Speaker 1: that's not to say that he was not valued member
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Speaker 1: of this organization. And I get why fans were attached
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Speaker 1: to him. He was the most dependable player he had.
23:09
Speaker 1: He was the high note when you didn't have any. Now,
23:11
Speaker 1: he may go up to New York and get twenty
23:13
Speaker 1: five to seven carries a game and pound out a
23:15
Speaker 1: hundred yards and people will go, what, But he wasn't
23:18
Speaker 1: gonna get that here. It's not the way. And I
23:21
Speaker 1: think I'm developing this theory about what Doug is doing
23:24
Speaker 1: with this team this year, and I think that not
23:27
Speaker 1: going for it with eleven and a half minutes to play,
23:29
Speaker 1: going for the field goal and going for and fourth
23:30
Speaker 1: down instead was part and parcel of what he's doing.
23:33
Speaker 1: He's building this team in his image, not him particular,
23:37
Speaker 1: but the kind of team that he wants, right and
23:40
Speaker 1: he wants a team that's gonna go for it on
23:41
Speaker 1: fourth and one with that much time left in the
23:43
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. He wants running backs who can explosively get
23:48
Speaker 1: down the field. That one long forty nine yard run
23:51
Speaker 1: in the third quarter, James doesn't get that right. That
23:54
Speaker 1: was made by E. T. N s quickness and vision
23:57
Speaker 1: and then speed. James had to have it blocked a
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Speaker 1: certain way for him to be able to create that
24:02
Speaker 1: kind of play. I don't know that Hasty would have
24:04
Speaker 1: gotten it, but he would have had a shot, but
24:05
Speaker 1: had a best shot, James would have. And I think
24:07
Speaker 1: that's really what you're getting at, is exactly right. He's
24:10
Speaker 1: doing this. Doug is is transitioning. This is not going
24:13
Speaker 1: to be the old Jaguars, which means some of the
24:16
Speaker 1: old Jaguars are not going to be here. He's building
24:20
Speaker 1: this team. He wants to win games this year. He
24:23
Speaker 1: can win games this year, but I don't think the
24:26
Speaker 1: ultimate outcome is this year's record. It's not It's not
24:29
Speaker 1: about the big picture. And so he's willing to make
24:32
Speaker 1: trades like this because he understands where this thing needs
24:35
Speaker 1: to go. And there are people who come back and say, well,
24:38
Speaker 1: they're two and five, shouldn't they play the productive running back.
24:43
Speaker 1: Their seventh in the league in total offense, they're moving
24:46
Speaker 1: the ball roblem. Well yeah, I mean I get why
24:50
Speaker 1: people say, well, they're still losing, but you know, I
24:53
Speaker 1: leaned towards that production with the assumption at some point
24:57
Speaker 1: they're going to start. They've lost the last two weeks
24:59
Speaker 1: because of defense, right, So it's I get it. I
25:03
Speaker 1: get it. It is a tricky situation, but it's not
25:06
Speaker 1: that tricky. It's not it's not that tricky. You just
25:09
Speaker 1: have to see it from a bigger, unemotional perspective, which
25:12
Speaker 1: is what these guys are paid to do. It's a business.
25:15
Speaker 1: This is not college football. You can't throw two attached quarterback. Yes,
25:19
Speaker 1: everyone else you have to see you have to see
25:21
Speaker 1: the big picture. Yes, And that is Jaguarys Drive Time
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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. We will have drive time again tomorrow morning,
25:26
Speaker 1: talking much more about this Broncos game on Sunday in London.
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning. We'll see you here