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Patriots Catch-22 10/13: Raiders Recap - The Good, The Bad, The Stuff that Gets You Beat · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: I think we're good now.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: A little false start there. My bad.
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  Speaker 3: Alex, we're playing. You're a little limited today. You're a
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  Speaker 3: little limited. That's what I'm going to call it on
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  Speaker 3: the injury injury report with an illness. But you're going
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  Speaker 3: to power through the show. But you like a good coworker.
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  Speaker 3: You did not come into work to get us all sick.
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  Speaker 3: So I appreciate that. But how are you doing? Are
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  Speaker 3: you are you feeling all right? Are you doing OK?
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing all right. I woke up a little
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  Speaker 2: under the weather.
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  Speaker 4: If you're familiar with Ray Liotta's character from the show,
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  Speaker 4: The League, I just I don't want to get other
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  Speaker 4: people sick.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like being sick.
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  Speaker 4: So I'd be a little bit of a hypocrite, but
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  Speaker 4: the only thing I hate more than being sick is
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  Speaker 4: not being able to talk about football. So obviously we're
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  Speaker 4: going to figure out a way to do the show.
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  Speaker 2: And I apologize.
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  Speaker 4: My voice is a little in and out here, but
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  Speaker 4: we got a great game to talk about and I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't going to miss this one.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And, and you're, you also, the only other thing you
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  Speaker 3: hate to talk about more than Josh Allen winning that
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  Speaker 3: game last night is the fact that you're sick.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know that. I know that. That's probably,
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  Speaker 1: I saw.
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  Speaker 4: That kick up blocked and suddenly like, you know, sweaty
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  Speaker 4: fever shakes, all that. Just when, when Mivas had that
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  Speaker 4: kick blocked, unbelievable. So that's all for him to finally
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  Speaker 4: win an overtime.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's what it was. I think you
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to show your face.
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  Speaker 4: That I was so sick at the Rams choking that
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  Speaker 4: that might be a very well might be it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that might be it as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: And I know this isn't Rams catch 22, but I
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  Speaker 3: just can't believe that such a great, operation and a
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  Speaker 3: great team like the Rams cannot figure.
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  Speaker 1: Out special teams.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't been able to figure out special teams for
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  Speaker 3: like three years now. I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they don't practice it enough. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if they don't emphasize it enough and bring
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  Speaker 3: in players that can help that unit and improve that unit.
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  Speaker 1: They've changed coordinators. They've changed kickers.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't seem to matter because I was a little,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's week five. I'm not saying that you
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  Speaker 3: throw any parades about being in first place in week five,
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  Speaker 3: but I think we were all ready to fire off
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  Speaker 3: tweets last night that the Patriots were going to be
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  Speaker 3: in first place in the AFC East because it looked
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  Speaker 3: like the Rams were going to kick a field goal
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  Speaker 3: and win that game in overtime, and that's why you
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  Speaker 3: finish out the games, right?
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  Speaker 4: I always say, don't let anybody tell you that Special
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  Speaker 4: teams don't matter. And the great John Boyce has a
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  Speaker 4: great piece on the 2010 Chargers, the only team in
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  Speaker 4: league history to finish first in.
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  Speaker 2: Offense and first in defense.
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  Speaker 4: And they missed the playoffs because their special teams were
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  Speaker 4: so bad. So I don't know if the Rams are
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  Speaker 4: quite there, but look, one team I think is, and
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  Speaker 4: there's a number of teams that started slow and are
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  Speaker 4: turning it around.
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  Speaker 2: And you can kind of see the strength of the program.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, we're going to talk about another team
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  Speaker 4: that also had a rough start relative to expectations, but
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  Speaker 4: maybe he's now starting to turn the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Good segue.
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  Speaker 3: Good professional radio segue right there because the Patriots did
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  Speaker 3: start slow.
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  Speaker 1: They were one and two to start the season.
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  Speaker 3: We all know that the loss down in Jacksonville was
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  Speaker 3: eye opening. I think Mike Rabel said he was highly
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  Speaker 3: concerned at the time about this football team and What
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  Speaker 3: a difference a couple of weeks makes because now they're
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  Speaker 3: on this little two game winning streak. They got the
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  Speaker 3: Jets on Sunday, so that should be three straight wins.
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  Speaker 3: Drake May looks like he's playing like an MVP candidate again.
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  Speaker 3: And I will just say this after that Jaguars game, Alex,
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  Speaker 3: we had a great debate on this show. about Josh
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  Speaker 3: McDaniels and the Patriots offense and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I, I am here to apologize to Josh McDaniels.
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  Speaker 1: I I'm sorry. I doubted you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I, I did not see the method to
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  Speaker 3: the madness. And I, I know I'm sounding like I'm
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  Speaker 3: being facetious, but I'm really not. I'm being dead serious
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  Speaker 3: about this. I wrote about it on Patriots.com and my
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  Speaker 3: film review. I now can see this slow buildup to
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  Speaker 3: adding a little bit more spice or seasoning to the
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  Speaker 3: offense each week and adding a little bit more flavor
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  Speaker 3: to their base concepts every single week. And we can
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  Speaker 3: go over some of the specifics, but it's clear to
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  Speaker 3: me now that Josh McDaniels is being truthful when he
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  Speaker 3: said at the podium multiple times, It's an extension of
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  Speaker 3: the preseason. We're building fundamentals. We're building a foundation so
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  Speaker 3: that we can start doing all the fancy stuff down
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  Speaker 3: the line and build it off of a good, strong foundation.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that there's the only nitpick I would
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  Speaker 3: have of that. is did you, do you have to.
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  Speaker 1: Start one and two every year before you turn it on?
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you know, can you start a little bit faster?
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  Speaker 3: Cause you know, not necessarily the loss to Seattle in
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  Speaker 3: the opener, Alex, but like that Jacksonville game, if there's
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  Speaker 3: a tiebreaker situation in terms of seating or whatever, uh,
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  Speaker 3: Like that could come back to bite you that you
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  Speaker 3: lost to Jacksonville early in the year. If I'm not mistaken,
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders lost early in the year last year, came
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  Speaker 3: back to bite them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was, that was, it was a common opponent tiebreaker.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's why they didn't have the number one over overall
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  Speaker 3: seat in the conference in Denver did. Uh, so I,
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  Speaker 3: I think that that that's a factor, but, uh, we
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  Speaker 3: now have seen the offense break out over the last
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  Speaker 3: two weeks. I am, uh, all sorts of jazzed up
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  Speaker 3: about the type of offense that they're running in the
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  Speaker 3: schemes that they're running. And really more so, I would
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  Speaker 3: say the way they're building. off of the core concepts
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  Speaker 3: that we've seen going back to training camp. And they're
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  Speaker 3: adding little bells and whistles to all those concepts to
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  Speaker 3: spice them up. It's been a really incredible turnaround for
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  Speaker 3: the offense with, with what I thought it last week
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  Speaker 3: in Buffalo, maybe for Drake may like kind of like
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  Speaker 3: a getting the monkey off his back confidence booster. And
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  Speaker 3: then this week against the Raiders, I mean, basically pitched
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  Speaker 3: a perfect game from start to finish.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So just first off on McDaniels, I'll, I'll say what
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  Speaker 4: I said. at the time we talked about Jacksonville, like
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  Speaker 4: the guy's been the offensive coordinator of this team for
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  Speaker 4: the better part of 20 years. It literally, he became
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  Speaker 4: the offense coordinator for the first time in 2006. This
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  Speaker 4: is what it has always been. There's always a buildup
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  Speaker 4: and the offense is not the same in November and
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  Speaker 4: December as it is in September. He builds to it.
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  Speaker 4: And every year they start a little more vanilla. And
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  Speaker 4: I think everybody gets shocked. And it's like, like you said,
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  Speaker 4: ideally you're not starting one or two, but this is,
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  Speaker 4: people look at it and say, this is it.
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  Speaker 2: This is all they're going to do.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, no, there's literally decades of evidence that
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  Speaker 4: he's going to build on this.
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  Speaker 2: And I think people lose sight of that every year.
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  Speaker 4: And then on May, yeah, you're right. The Bills game was,
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  Speaker 4: there were some nitpicks in there. It was good, positive step.
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  Speaker 4: You felt good. There were some things to clean up.
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  Speaker 4: That Raiders game was one of the best games he's
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  Speaker 4: played in his career. It might be, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you just look at the production, the best game. Now
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  Speaker 4: he's had great, performances maybe not as much in the
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  Speaker 4: box score but great performances against better opponents yeah so
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  Speaker 4: i i don't you know depends how you want to
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  Speaker 4: qualify best game of his career but it's up there
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  Speaker 4: it's among the most impressive games in his career some
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  Speaker 4: of the throws he made were unbelievable and again it's
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  Speaker 4: it's not just the balls he completed i talked about
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  Speaker 4: this last week against buffalo is a super encouraging trend
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  Speaker 4: and you saw it again he really never put the
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  Speaker 4: ball in harm's way. There was one sack he took
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  Speaker 4: where I thought he was a little late to pull
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  Speaker 4: the ball into his body. Didn't end up fumbling, but
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  Speaker 4: like I go back to, there's play in the third quarter.
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  Speaker 2: He was a deep out. Maybe it was a crosser.
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  Speaker 4: Efton Chisholm ends up near the sideline and there's a
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  Speaker 4: defender underneath him. And there's a defender over the top
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  Speaker 4: and may throws the ball over the sideline. Maybe outside
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  Speaker 4: shot Chisholm makes a play on it. And he didn't,
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  Speaker 4: and it was incomplete, but there's zero chance. Either defender
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  Speaker 4: is going to make a play on that ball. And I, I,
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  Speaker 4: I turned to Matt off next to me and I said,
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  Speaker 4: three weeks ago, that ball goes right to the underneath defender.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So again, I don't know if you know which play
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about, if you have any more insight there,
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  Speaker 4: but again, just, it's not the throws he's making.
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  Speaker 6: It's that.
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  Speaker 2: And then the one to rear it in, which is
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  Speaker 2: probably his best throw of the day.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The defender's not making a play on that ball.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the, the completion percentage and some of the
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  Speaker 4: sheer volume of, The downfield stuff from last year wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to carry over because it's just unrealistic.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing against him.
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  Speaker 4: He was just so far above and beyond anything on
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  Speaker 4: the deep ball efficiency. But one thing that I thought
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  Speaker 4: could carry over was those 50-50 balls aren't really 50-50 balls.
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  Speaker 4: He really protected the ball last year on deep throws,
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  Speaker 4: and he obviously did not do that at the start
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  Speaker 4: of this season, but he's.
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  Speaker 2: Doing it now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, the play that you're mentioning, it was a
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  Speaker 3: sale concept into the boundary. So they have Efton Chisholm
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  Speaker 3: running that corner route. And then Romeo Dobbs is running
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  Speaker 3: the vertical, the clear route route. And it's the same
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  Speaker 3: play that he hit Romeo Dobbs on on the dash
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  Speaker 3: pass against Pittsburgh. On the big 60 plus yard or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was, same exact play. And, you know, watching
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  Speaker 3: it back, I kind of felt like Dobbs was probably
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  Speaker 3: a better option on the play. But to your point
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  Speaker 3: where the ball is placed, at least he kept the
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  Speaker 3: ball out of harm's way. And I think the biggest
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  Speaker 3: stat that I, you know, going in this is we
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  Speaker 3: can get into the good and the bad, the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that gets you beat because he's obviously at the top
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  Speaker 3: of the goods list. The stat that stands out to
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  Speaker 3: me is that he had had a streak of nine
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  Speaker 3: straight games with a turnover worthy play until Sunday. That
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  Speaker 3: was the first game that he didn't register a turnover
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  Speaker 3: worthy play. since week 17 of last season. So that's
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  Speaker 3: the entire playoffs. That's the first four games of this season.
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  Speaker 3: That is a long, too lengthy of a streak. And look,
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  Speaker 3: not all of those games was like multiple turnover type games,
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  Speaker 3: but he's putting the ball in harm's way at least
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  Speaker 3: one time. You know, in the Denver game, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think he technically turned the ball over in the AFC
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  Speaker 3: championship game, but they had a dropped interception on the
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  Speaker 3: very first drive of the game. That should have been intercepted.
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  Speaker 3: So like his ability to keep the ball out of
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  Speaker 3: harm's way, his decision making, you know, the word Vrabel
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  Speaker 3: keeps using as decisiveness you know his decisiveness in the
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  Speaker 3: pocket uh it looks night and day to me compared
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  Speaker 3: to the first three weeks of the season and you
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  Speaker 3: know I'm a big scheme guy I can point to
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  Speaker 3: a million different things as to why I think the
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  Speaker 3: play calling has been better. I should say more like
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  Speaker 3: the play design and the play calling. I think those
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  Speaker 3: are two different buckets. But at the same time with May,
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  Speaker 3: I really just look at his confidence. You mentioned the
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  Speaker 3: throw to Raritan that he made the wheel route, which
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  Speaker 3: is as good of a throw as I've seen any
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  Speaker 3: quarterback make in the league this season on film. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if he's even attempting that throw three weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago because I don't know if he has the confidence
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  Speaker 3: to that he's going to fit the ball into that window.
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  Speaker 3: So like, those are the things that I think you
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  Speaker 3: just see our night and day. You know, we know
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  Speaker 3: that if teams give them the, the one-on-ones on the outside,
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  Speaker 3: like the Kyle Williams and stuff like that, he he'll
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  Speaker 3: dot those up. Like he'll throw those balls down the
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  Speaker 3: field all day long. He was doing that to begin
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  Speaker 3: the year too. But the throws into those tight window
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  Speaker 3: throws along the sidelines, over the middle of the field,
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  Speaker 3: things like that, those were the throws that I think
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  Speaker 3: he was passing up in the first three weeks of
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  Speaker 3: the season out of probably fear of turnover that he
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  Speaker 3: is now.
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  Speaker 1: Threading the needle on.
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  Speaker 3: And as an NFL quarterback, like that's that throw to
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  Speaker 3: Raritan is incredible, but it's NFL open, you know, like that,
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  Speaker 3: that's a throw that franchise quarterback and elite quarterback is
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  Speaker 3: expected to make in a lot of ways. So I've
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  Speaker 3: just been blown away by this turnaround by Drake may.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, the last that I'll give you the
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  Speaker 3: first three weeks of the season, his big time throw
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  Speaker 3: rate was just over 2%, 2.4%. The last two games
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  Speaker 3: of the season against the Bills and the Raiders, it's
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  Speaker 3: up over 10%. So we're talking about him going from
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  Speaker 3: like a couple of big time throws in the first
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  Speaker 3: three weeks to going to five this week and three
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  Speaker 3: last week. I mean, he's making some high level plays. Now,
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  Speaker 3: one little nitpick with PFF today. I will hit you with,
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  Speaker 3: they counted the pop Douglas throw. That was incomplete as
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  Speaker 3: a big time throw. There is no doubt that that's
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  Speaker 3: a big time play, but we're not doing the Mahomes
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  Speaker 3: thing with Drake may and counting incomplete passes as big
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  Speaker 3: time throws. So I'm, I'm giving them four. It was
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  Speaker 3: a great play. Don't get me wrong, but I just,
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  Speaker 3: I hate that. I hate, I hate when we count
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  Speaker 3: plays that didn't count or incomplete passes you gotta complete
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  Speaker 3: the pass for it to be a big.
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  Speaker 1: Time throw but i digress uh just a great great game.
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  Speaker 4: That is right expected this that or whatever but yeah
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  Speaker 4: and it feels like it's all building on itself like
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  Speaker 4: you can see the confidence you can see as he
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  Speaker 4: makes each throw he gets a little more confident he
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  Speaker 4: looks a little more like he did last year the
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  Speaker 4: confidence in the pocket the way he's maneuvering there the
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  Speaker 4: confidence down the field so it it It felt like
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  Speaker 4: it was snowballing the wrong way for the first three weeks. Now,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't it kind of feel like it's snowballing the good way?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, his pocket movement's a great point, too, that you
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  Speaker 3: just made because.
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  Speaker 4: Best it's looked in, I mean, going back to maybe
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  Speaker 4: any point last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and with his eyes down the field, too, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like that, it's one thing to.
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  Speaker 3: vacate a muddy pocket and scramble like he was doing
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning part of the season. But to stay
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  Speaker 3: a passer, as he likes to say, and keep his
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  Speaker 3: eyes down the field, he had one to Chisholm on
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  Speaker 3: a third downplay where there was pressure. Max Crosby got
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  Speaker 3: some pressure off the edge on the right edge. There
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  Speaker 3: was pressure up the middle and he went right through
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the pocket and kind of squeaked through
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the pocket to get into some clean
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  Speaker 3: airspace and And Chisholm just found the void. He kind
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  Speaker 3: of probed the zone and found the void and sat
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  Speaker 3: it down right over the ball. And Drake may just
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  Speaker 3: hit him for a first down. And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that was like Brady-esque, right? Like, you know, just little
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  Speaker 3: subtle pocket movements. Like you don't have to always make
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  Speaker 3: everything an extended play or a scramble drill. One last
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  Speaker 3: metric at you. I'll throw at you and then we'll
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  Speaker 3: go on to the next thing here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just real quick on the pocket movement. And you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned it being Brady. Like I just thought we've seen
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  Speaker 4: him run around.
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  Speaker 2: That's one thing.
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  Speaker 4: And like, it went from him just taking off to running,
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  Speaker 4: but remaining a thrower. This was the first time I
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  Speaker 4: can remember over the course of a game where it's
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  Speaker 4: like one step to the left, one and a half
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  Speaker 4: steps to the right, like just little maneuvers to buy.
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  Speaker 4: Now it helps that the pocket was unbelievable all day.
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  Speaker 4: And as he said, he had time to eat a
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  Speaker 4: ham sandwich back there, but those not even running, not
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  Speaker 4: even scrambling, just one or two steps to reset himself
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  Speaker 4: to get the lane he needed. that's high level quarterbacking.
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  Speaker 4: And that's even last year is best. It's not necessarily
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  Speaker 4: something he did a ton.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So before we move on to the next thing really quickly,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of, Patriots news from Adam Schefter just now,
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  Speaker 3: just read it. Uh, Patriots running back Travion Henderson suffered
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: a high ankle sprain during Sunday's win over the Raiders
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: as now expected to side hit sideline him for multiple weeks.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: So no surgery as of right now for Travion Henderson, but, um,
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: it sounds like, uh, he's going to miss a couple
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: of weeks and high ankle sprains. You know, that's what
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: AJ Brown had and he ended up on injured reserve.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be surprised if Travion Henderson is headed
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: there as well.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, they only have, I have.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: A, uh, Injury report take if you want to get
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Let's get to the injury. I have the injuries on
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: the bads because the injuries are bad. So let's let's
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: let's stick with the plan here and then we'll get
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: to the injuries. But I just wanted to read that
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: because it just literally came across my feed just now.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: The last last metric on Drake May because I could
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: probably recite like 17 of these.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: After a game like that.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: But in terms of total EPA, so not drop back,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: not per drop back, but just total volume EPA, that
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: was the best game. Any quarterback has had in the
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: NFL this season. So any quarterback, any team, he accumulated
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: plus 28.7 total EPA in this game, which was the
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: highest of any quarterback in the league this year. So
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: by the metrics, one of, if not the most efficient
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: passing performance of the season so far in the NFL.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: And if you're going to sit here and say, Oh,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: it's the Raiders. They stink.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: The other quarterbacks weren't doing that against the Raiders in
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: the first four weeks of the season, right?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Like they, you didn't see, right.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: We weren't reciting that Patrick Mahomes, even though they put
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: up 30 points, we weren't saying that Patrick Mahomes was
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: having that kind of efficiency against this Raiders defense a
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: week ago. So yeah, Just a tremendous performance by, by may.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: And he, he looks like an MVP candidate again. Next
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: item on my list here, depth wide receivers. I think
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: all these guys really stepped up in this game and
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: that's going to be a theme of the rest of
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: the goods. You know, guys stepping up injury replacements, Kyle Williams,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: DeMario Douglas, Efton Chisholm, all contributing to this win. Kyle Williams, his, his,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: speed and his vertical separation ability, uh, is something that
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: even when AJ Brown comes back, I, I do think
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: you need to get it on the field 20 to
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: 25 times a game. Like they need to give him,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: even if he's just running go routes on the outside,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: which I wish they would do a little bit more
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: with him than just that. Uh, but still, uh, The,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: the 34 yard touchdown is for a pass that traveled
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: almost 40 yards in the air is kind of as
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: easy as it gets, right?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Like the, the, the, the receiver just goes right by
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the cornerback.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And then he had the big, you know, 50 yard
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: deep post on the cover zero blitz as well.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: He has a, he has a superpower.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: That is a special trait that he has to get
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: over the top of defenses and stretch the field vertically.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And you have one of the best, deep ball passers
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: in the NFL playing quarterback for your team it just
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: feels like they need to at least continue to incorporate
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams in some capacity here moving forward yeah I've
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: said this a million times about Kyle Williams he I
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: don't think he's going to be a guy at least
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: not in the near future who knows you know three
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: four five years but he's not a volume guy he's
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: not going to be a guy that catches seven or
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: eight passes a game but it's it's what he can
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: do with those two or three catches and is it
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: two or three for 15 or is it I mean
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: it's three for.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: 91 on Sunday so.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: And he talked about how he needed that, you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: easy to kind of get down on yourself. I think
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: in that spot where he was clearly the last guy
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: in the depth chart, but getting him more involved.
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: If you have a guy, you know, can get you
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: an explosive play every week. That in itself is your
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: fourth or fifth receivers. Right.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: So he's got to keep doing it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think the Raiders corners are terrible.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, they'll face better.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're terrible, but like, if that's kind
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: of what he is every week, you take that, you take.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: That all day.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: And one thing I really liked, So there was the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: deep go, the deep post. I forget if we talked
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: about this on or off the air. Getting him in
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: more catch-and-run situations, which they hadn't been doing. And they
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: tried that late in the game. They had a third
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: and 16. He ultimately didn't pick it up, but that
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: kind of route, that kind of concept for him. Get
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: him the ball in stride and let him try to
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: cross the field and let him try to turn the
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: corner and get upfield. I think that's somewhere he could
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: be effective as well. So maybe there's some more of that.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Coming for him.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a little downfield screen. I really liked
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that play, actually, because they didn't get it. And I
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: know we're talking about a failed third down conversion, but
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: they were backed up.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Near their own end zone. It's third and 16. You
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: have a comfortable lead.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: There's no reason to try to push the ball down
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: the field and put it in harm's way, right? So
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: they just run a little downfield screen to one of
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: your fastest players, get the ball in Kyle Williams' hands.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Didn't end up working out, but I like the idea
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: of it. In that kind of situation. Also, just I
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: thought this was one of DeMario Douglas's best games, maybe
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: as a pro. Honestly, like I know the stats don't
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: back that up. I think he's had bigger games like
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: against Houston and you know, games last year where he
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: had a hundred receiving yards, things like that. But just the,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: the efficiency of his route running, the precision of his
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: route running in this game, I thought was as good
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: as I've seen it from Douglas. The two plays that
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: stand out, the fourth down conversion where Drake may went
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to him against man coverage was, gets open on the out,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: runs a great route, you know, stems it up, breaks
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: it out, uh, evens out at the top of the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: route to make sure it doesn't get undercut. I mean,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: just a perfect route. Like that's exactly how you're supposed
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: to run that route, uh, on the film. And then the, uh,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: he settled in zone. He settled in zone for a
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: 16 yard, uh, catch as well, uh, into a tricky
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: cover to, uh, found the soft spot, settled down quickly,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: made himself available, uh, Nice, easy pitch and catch. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: think Mike Rabel caught it, a professional football play yesterday.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: That was extremely encouraging from Douglas because we know he
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: can get open down the.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Field, and he's a great separator. He's a great route runner.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: He's explosive. He's quick.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: He's a really good separator. But to see the precision
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and sort of the detail of his routes, also a backup.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Rabel used a word to describe Brock Bowers last week
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: that I love.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: The route craft.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: That tomorrow Douglas played with on Sunday, I thought was, uh,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: really high level stuff. And we know, like I said, he,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: we know he can get open, like on the busted
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: coverage on his first touchdown, like that he can get
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: open on those vertical routes. Uh, and we we've seen
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: that before, but, uh, the, they need him to be
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: a chain mover light in the way that he was
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in this game at times on Sunday, especially on that
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: fourth down play.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was nice seeing his role kind
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of expand like that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, I'm somebody who's been a proponent of
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: him being more involved, what his speed can do, what
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: his shiftingness can do.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: So, and it just looked, that was, you know, all
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the stuff I talked about in the summer.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: And obviously I was very high on him in the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: summer and some people very fairly called me out. And,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: you know, we've seen this before and I kept saying it,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: just the chemistry between Douglas and May look different. That
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: looked more like the connection we saw this summer than
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: what we've seen the first four weeks.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And wichism. a hook and ladder. Are
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you kidding me? That, that, that was great. That was designed.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yes or no.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Obviously designed. Like the fact that we were having that, like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, what are we doing?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: It was, I mean, Drake didn't want to give the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: secrets away. I get it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: But like after Vrabel said it multiple times, he said
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: it after the game. And then he said it on
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: EEI in the morning. And then Chisholm himself said it
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: as well. Like it kind of was out of the bag.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Like it's on film. Like it is what it is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Like it just, No reason for all the coyness. You
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: mentioned the offensive line earlier. I definitely had them on
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the goods. I thought that over the course of the game,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily feel like it was as good as
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I thought watching live, but I.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Will give them this.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: They had several like crystal clean pockets, right? Like just
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: like pockets that Drake may, as he said, could eat
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: a ham sandwich in. And that was not something that
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: we saw necessarily, I would say, the first four or
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: five weeks of the season. But this week, PFF had
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: a 34.2% pressure rate. NextGen was a little bit higher
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: at 39.5%. So we can split the baby there and
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: call it 36%, 37% pressure rate if we want. An
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: improvement for sure, but I would say what really stood
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: out to me was some of those pockets, man, like,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you and I could sit in some of
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: those pockets and that, that we didn't necessarily see to
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: start the season this year.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, they, they look good.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: And I mean, the only time I think I noticed
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Max Crosby was when he got that, that unsportsmanlike conduct
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: penalty was after the touchdown or after the PAT. So they,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I was, you know, I, I've said this, like, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: think they can get by because of May's mobility and,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: at least from a pass blocking standpoint, they don't have
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: to have the best offensive line in the league.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I think they just need to be good and they've
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: been good. That was great. That was great. Pass protection
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: all pretty much all day.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Crosby.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I thought that he got Moses a couple of times
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: on rewatch and then some of the interior stunts that
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: the Raiders were running gave them a little bit of.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Problems, but Overall, I thought that it was really, really good.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I've been a little bit critical of
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: the Caleb Lomu selection.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: First time out, extended action. He was solid. He was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: good in this game.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Now, what I think impresses me the most about his
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: ability in pass protection is his recovery talent is extremely good. Like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I think that there's still some things early in his
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: pass set that they can work on him with, you know, angles, footwork,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: things like that. coming out of his stance where he, uh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: maybe gets a little bit, uh, opens a little bit
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: early and creates a little bit of a soft corner
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: sometimes by doing that, or I should say, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: short corner. Uh, but I think that his ability to
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: run his feet and then get to the apex and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: be able to meet the rusher at the apex, even
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: when he loses initially is, uh, extremely impressive. Now you
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: don't want to always be recovering like that. Like that's
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: not a way a consistent.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Way to live.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: But I thought that he was, he was really solid
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: at left tackle. I don't think it's a mistake or
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: a coincidence that he looked comfortable playing left.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I would be interested to see what it looked like
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: if he had to play right. But overall, if Will
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Campbell's going to miss some time here and that's the
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: level of performance you get out of Caleb Lomu, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: think you feel pretty good about it. I kind of
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: felt like, you know, I think good and bad kind
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: of reminded me of Will Campbell last year. where you
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: saw some spots where rookie needs to grow, but you
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: also saw the flashes that make him a first-round pick.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: So we'll see next week. And now he'll have a
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: whole week under his belt to practice. David Bailey's a
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: legit test. He's been great all year. He was great
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: last week. They actually played each other in college. So
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: that'll be interesting to see, a little Big 12 matchup. But, yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you can get that out of him,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: that kind of game, that'll do until Campbell comes back.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see, you know, last week
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Crosby rushes over the right tackle. David Bailey has rushed
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: mostly over the right tackle. And his very first pass
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: blocking snap, the Raiders put Crosby over Lomu. It was
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the only time that they did it the entire rest
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: of the game. They did it one time.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to talk about the Raiders coaching and
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the bads. They deserve to be in the pads. But
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I just thought that that was so bizarre. Like you
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: have this rookie who has never really played in an
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: NFL game yet besides some six line stuff and some
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: mop up duty at right tackle. And you don't put
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: one of the best pass rushers in football over him
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: a couple of times to test them a little bit.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Even the rep that they put him on, Crosby.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Right out of the shoot, it was a blitz and
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Crosby wasn't really giving his best rush. Like he was
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: just trying to occupy Lomu on that side of things.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: So they tried to get him with scheme. I would
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: say more so than trying to just let Crosby go
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: one-on-one against him. I was pretty surprised by that, but
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: this week, David Bailey, right? Tackle guy also rushes over
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the right tackle for the most part. So We'll see
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: if they flip sides with him or if they have
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: him go against Moses. We'll get to that on Thursday,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: but I was pretty impressed by Bailey watching some Jets
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: tape over the last couple of days.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move over to the defense.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Going back to who had to step up in depth
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff, the depth corners. I thought Charles
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Woods and Kendall Vildor both played really well in this game.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Now, we talked about going into the game, Alex.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: The Raiders don't really have many wide receivers. They have Bowers,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: but they don't really have many wide receivers. That being said,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I thought that those two guys, Vildor and Woods, won
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: their matchups.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: And.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: there's something to be said for that. It was a
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: big part of this game. Both of them had a
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: past breakups. Woods had multiple press past breakups. Vildor forces
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the fumble with a peanut punch as well. I just
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: thought both those guys were a big contributor to this game.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: And again, I know everyone's going to say, well, it's
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: the Raiders and the Raiders apparently stink. Now this was
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the first time all season long out of their five
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: games that the Raiders produced a negative EPA per drop
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: back in a game this season. So the Patriots made
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the Raiders passing offense and their offense as.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: A whole look a whole lot worse than everybody else did.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And that's all you're really asking for when you're playing
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: opponents like this. They put up 27 points last week
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: against Kansas City. So this wasn't a Raiders team that
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: was coming in that had no offense. And the Patriots
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: made it look like they had no offense.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Once they figure it in, look, I guess I get it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones, talent on talent. But Bauer's too big, too strong.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that. We talked about this with
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, he's a great player.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Once they kind of switched off of that, the Raiders
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: didn't have any answers. And I like some of the
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: wrinkles they put in on Bauer's. They did some of
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: the stuff we talked about Thursday, jamming him with safeties.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: They had Christian Ellis jam him on a third down,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: passing him off to corners. Kendall Vildor, I thought, stepped
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: up big there. And then they got the push in
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: the run game, and they stopped the run.
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: So.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: It really, we knew it going in. If they could
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: take Bowers out and I know he still had like
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: eight for one 10 or whatever it was six from one.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: 10, but yeah, eight for one 10.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It didn't, I don't know. I don't know how to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: say this without sounding. It was, was it an impactful
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: 110 yards? First half it was.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It was in the first half.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Not so much.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: It was in the first half. But the comparison that
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I would use, and we're going to get to this
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: in the bads, because I didn't love their plan.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Out of the gate on Bowers.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: But the the comparison I would use is like, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: sometimes in, in basketball, they're like, we're going to let
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the star player go for 50, but none of the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: role players are going to score.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Like we're going.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: To, we're going to put up 500 yards of offense today.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Can Brock Bowers match that on his right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: And I was kind of the approach that I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: that they took to it to an extent, especially.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Early on in the game.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And then once it got a little bit carried away
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: there on the first drive, they started to do some
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: different things against him. One more on the goods and
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: we got to take a quick break and then we'll
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: get to more on the Bauer stuff. The pass rush,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the pass rush again was was just terrific. Next gen
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: had it at forty eight point five percent pressure rate,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: almost 50 percent pressure rate on Kirk Cousins in this game.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it stuns me how teams come in every single week.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: And the Patriots have been guilty of this in the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: past too, especially against Seattle and the two games against
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks without answers to cover zero. Like you don't
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: have a plan for how the quarterback is going to
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: either throw hot or you're going to block cover zero.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So the Patriots brought cover zero, you know, all.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Out pressure and, on Kirk cousins five times, he was
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: one for five for four yards on those play. His
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: passer rating was 39.6. The same as if you spike
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the ball into the ground five times. So that's pretty
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: much what he did. Honestly, on, on four of them,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: he kind of threw uncatchable balls. One of them right
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: out of the shoot was Charles woods, jumped it out
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: to a gentee that was almost intercepted for a pick six.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: They had no answers there. for the Patriots zero pressures.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Kevin Byard came in twice, just completely unblocked off the edge.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It was, and it was just numbers.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: It was just, the Raiders had six blockers and the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Patriots were blitzing seven guys. I, there was just no
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: answers there for the Raiders for that. I thought that
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: that completely threw cousins off his game. They blitzed them early.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: They had a 60% blitz rate in the first quarter and,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I thought he was rattled after that. They dropped out
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of it a lot in the, in the second and
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: third quarters in the fourth quarter a little bit. And
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I just didn't think he saw the field well after that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: And I think he was a little bit sped up
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and it was like, One of those situations where you
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: hit him early, you hit him often, and then all
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, the quarterback unravels from there.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at all that that was the plan
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: against the 38-year-old Kirk Cousins, who's just going to sit
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the pocket. I am shocked that
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the Raiders and Cousins didn't get the ball out of
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: his hands quicker and have some more options for him
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to be able to beat those pressures.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they didn't have that many guys to throw the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: ball to, so.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: But like the backs Bowers, like they got Bowers on
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: one fire zone. He hit that 18 yard cross or
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: underneath the defense the one time, which was wasn't a
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: pure cover zero, but it kind of was because they
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: only had five guys in coverage. It was a Brian
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Flores fire zone. But other than that, I just felt
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: like they had no answers. Last thing on the pass rush.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Millen Williams.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I thought Millen Williams was back to being a highly
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: impactful player. I had him with five pressures in this game.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Is it a coincidence that that happened as Christian Barmore returned?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It might not be.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I thought Barmore looked a little rusty, but I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Milton Williams looked like. And I kind of thought watching
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: the film, like his suddenness, his explosiveness, his ability to
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: impact the play without making the tackle or without having
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: the sack or whatever. I thought that those things were
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: still popping up in the first four weeks of the season.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Like I never was watching him being like. he's lost
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: a step. You know, like I, I didn't see anything
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: like that. I think the double teams that he was seeing,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: he's doubled a little bit less in this game. I
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: think he was getting kind of used to that. Like
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: he's used to playing on lines with Jalen Carter and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Jordan Davis and you know, bar more obviously like guys
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: that are getting doubled to, you know, are getting most
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: of the double teams. He's a Tuesday player now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Like he is.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Their guy on the defensive front. I don't think it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a coincidence that, Ponder and Akis and Draymond Jones are
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: off to such a great start. Cause I think a
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: lot of that attention on the offensive line is going
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: into those middle two guys. And those guys just got
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: one-on-ones for, you know, 40 dropbacks a game. And Ponder's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: a good rusher. Like if you give him that type
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: of opportunity, he's going to get home a couple of times.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: So a much better game from Millen Williams. This pass
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: rush and the edge rushers specifically, Alex, have been kind
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: of a revelation to me. Like I did not expect
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: this kind of pressure on quarterbacks. I know some of
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: it's from blitzing, but overall, it's just been it's been
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: cool to watch some of these young guys like Actus, Ponder,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: young players.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: How badly did they need that?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: They needed some young edge rushers to emerge and break
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: out in a UDFA and a second round pick. Maybe
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: being your starting edge guys here moving forward for the
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: long term future of this team is a really that's all.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: That's a really good thing for the Patriots. That's a
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: really good thing.
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  Speaker 4: Now just get secondary healthy so we can see this
• 34:29
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• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for that. Whenever we get it, it's going
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: to be fun to watch.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. All right, we're going to hit a quick break.
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  Speaker 1: You hanging in there? You good?
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  Speaker 2: Let's lay in this. Okay.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Let's, let's get to the bads here. We just, we
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  Speaker 1: just talked about it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: didn't love the, the initial coverage plan against Bowers. I
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: understood what they were going for with Marcus Jones. He's
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: their best corner in this game. He's also a guy
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that can travel, you know, can play in the slot,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: can play outside. You, you might not trust or have
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the same confidence in Kendall Vildor, Charles Woods, who are
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit bigger and, Uh, they haven't played as
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: much in the slot. And in the summertime we saw
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Charles was in the slide. It didn't go so well.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So I think that they were just trying to put
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: their best guy on Brock Bowers and see how it went.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: It didn't go particularly well.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Uh, he just got mossed on two plays at the
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: catch point that he's just Bowers is a shade over six,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: three Marcus Jones is five foot eight. He's given up
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: like 60, 65 pounds of beef to Brock Bowers too.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: It's just a tough spot to put Marcus Jones in,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: but luckily they got off of that pretty quickly, but
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I just, I got out of the shoot. Maybe it
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: was like, let's just try it and see if Marcus
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Jones can hold his own against him, but it wasn't
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: the right approach.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: It shows you how much they believe in Marcus Jones
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and just.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And we all love Marcus Jones. He's a great player,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: but yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: And you know, we're going to put our most talented
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: cover guy, at least that was on the field in
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: that game on their best receiver and see how that goes.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And, um, you know, creds them for adjusting away. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: it's funny.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: We, we spent the whole week talking about, well, are
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: they going to do this?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And is this the answer? Are they going to do that?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And is that the answer?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: And trying to find like the one answer for Brock
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Bowers in the end, what worked was a little bit
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: of everything.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: And almost turning into a mental challenge and not just
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Brock Bowers having to beat a coverage, but him and
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: cousins having to recognize what coverage they were going to
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: get every snap. So they ultimately got there, but yeah,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I thought they were a little slow. I understand why
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: they went with it. I probably wouldn't have done it,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: but I understand why they went with it off the jump.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: They were a little slow to get out of it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting problem moving forward because, you know, obviously
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: they did a great job on Kincaid the week before
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: in Buffalo. Now, Buffalo kind of took him out of
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the game on their own a little bit, too.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: The Bills remembering they can run the ball.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, their matchups against tight ends,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you know how they do that moving forward when they
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: get Gonzalez and Davis back. I still feel like and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: we've been banging this drum, I feel like for two
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: years now. I still feel like Carlton Davis on the
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: tight end when it's a big time pass catching tight
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: end like Bowers. That to me feels like the best
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: approach once they get everybody healthy.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: A physical.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: you know, press man kind of corner against a player
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: like that. Not that Gonzalez couldn't cover him too, but
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Gonzalez is, you know, not quite as physical as Carlton
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Davis is. I just feel like that that's the matchup
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: that I want to see at some point, whether it's
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: against a Kincaid or, you know, whoever the case may
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: be here moving forward. the other things I had just
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: from the game. And then I want to get to
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: the injuries. Um, Romeo Dobbs. I just felt like the
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: incompletions through contact were kind of rough. Like one of them,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like was a good pass breakup, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: late hands by the corner to get the ball out
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: of there. Maybe a slight, slight under throw by Drake may,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: like if he puts that in the back of the
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: end zone, Instead of, you know, throwing to him more
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: in the front of the end zone, does Dobbs outrun
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: the corner at that point and just catch the ball
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: over his shoulder? I would say that was more of
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: like a good play by the corner, but still at
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, the ball hit him in
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: the hands three times and he dropped all three of them,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: you know, like, and at some point you would like
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to see him be able to finish through some contact
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: and make a play in a contested situation for the quarterback.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: And that's been, I mean, we saw him do it
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: a ton of camp. That's been a strength of his.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: So We know he can do it. He just needs
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: to do it more consistently.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: He made a catch in the, in the end zone
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and training camp. That was just like the one that Drake.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Had that exact catch.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah. The exact same play.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: They ran the same play to the, the passing strength
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: that they ran on the fourth down to Hunter Henry, that,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: that little, you know, double slant from the bunch. and
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: they had, uh, Dobbs isolated. It was three by one.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: They had Dobbs on the one-on-one on the backside and
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they had four over three. The defense did over the
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: slant side that time. Uh, they'd kind of recognized it,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I think. And so he took the one-on-one and he
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: gave Dobbs a chance on the ball and he just
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: couldn't catch it, you know? So I, I understood the
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: process and I, I thought it was a good, a
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: good decision.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, they just couldn't get the ball completed.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Uh, just a few minutes on, I just thought the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Raiders coaching staff was really disappointing in this game. Um,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I hate crapping on the other team's coaching staff, but like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I think the two main.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Things, you just don't want to crap on Kubiak. Cause
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he's one of your guys.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I don't, but I thought, you know, he admitted after
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: the game that he didn't run the ball enough, which
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I was shocked by. I know the score got a
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: little bit wonky in the second half. And that's always
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: tough when you're down multiple touchdowns to stick to the
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: run game. But we said it off the open that
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: a script, like, do the Seattle super bowl game plan, right?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Like run the football, test the edges.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Mike Washington, who I thought looked pretty good, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: preparing for the game, touch the ball one time. I
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: think in this game, you know, gently is clearly limited.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I think by that ankle injury, I was shocked by
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: how little they ran the ball. I was shocked by
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: how little they, you know, stress the edges of the
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Patriots defense. And I was also shocked by the fact
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: that I said earlier with the cover zeros, like they
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: just had no plan for that. Like they, they just
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: really had no plan for that. But I think the
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: biggest thing out of all of the things I could
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: criticize the Raiders coaching staff for, you can not, give
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: drake may one-on-ones outside the numbers you just can't do
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: that they played a ton of single high like they
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: played 55 single high but even the quarter structures that
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: they were playing it ends up being one-on-one on the
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: outside down the field right like those corners that are
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: playing the deep fourth are not they don't have help
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: over the top of them it's not a cloud coverage
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: like cover two So, like, the fact that they just
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: played as much single high and they let Drake May
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: just throw ISO goal balls to those outside corners, that's
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: exactly what he wants to do. Like, that is his
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: bread and butter. If you're going to let him do that,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: he's going to put up 400 yards and five touchdowns. Like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that's just... You're going to get absolutely torched. And I
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: just can't believe how often they did that. Now I'm
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: not going, like, I don't want to lead with that, right?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Like this is a 45 minutes into the show thing.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Cause Drake may was just great in this game regardless,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: but the book on Drake may, when he doesn't play
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: well and when he struggles. is to open the middle
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: of the field, cloud the field, put the safeties over
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the top, and make him beat you between the numbers.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Make him read out zone him in the middle of
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: the field and thread the ball between the numbers. That's
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: where he's struggled. That's where he's had problems. And the
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Raiders were like, nope, we're just going to let you
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: bombs away here all day long and we'll be fine.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: And they were not fine. I just couldn't believe the
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: plan by the Raiders.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was surprising.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Injuries.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Never a good thing on the bads. Two big ones
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: again this week. Will Campbell, Travion Henderson. I read at
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the top of the show about Travion Henderson. Sounds like
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: a high ankle sprain. He's going to miss some time.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a knee sprain. Something may be similar
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: for Will Campbell to last year. So he's going to
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: miss some time. You feel better seeing the 49 snaps
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: from Lomu and that he was solid at left tackle.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Running back now feels pretty thin. Like you have Len
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Larrison on the practice squad. We have Corey Kiner, who
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: unfortunately is the one person that found himself on the
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: stuff that gets.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: You beat this week. So, you know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Is it kinder as running back to, they wrote, worked
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: out Jamal Williams, uh, early last week, but that's not
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: the type of back he is. You know, he's not
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: a Travion Henderson style back. He's a remandre replacement. So, uh,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: what do they do here at running back moving forward?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Cause I think we can all assume that they're going
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: to have low move play left tackle. So that's kind
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: of an easy one, but, uh, what about running back?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: What do you do here moving forward?
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Well, it just, what's interesting in general to expand beyond
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: that is they're now in a spot where, uh, So
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: each team in the regular season gets eight players that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Can return from IR. You get two more if you make.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: The playoffs, but they have 10 guys that are eligible
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: to return now. And that's not including Henderson or Campbell.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: So they're going to have to start deciding, you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: some of the guys on IR maybe just aren't coming back.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe some guys who are going to miss about a
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: month don't go on IR so they don't have to
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: burn the spot to get them back. And like, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: with Campbell, They have a bunch of tackles on the roster.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying you want any of these, all of
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: these guys to play a lot, but they have Lomu,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: they have Crownover, Rouse can play tackle, Pryor can play tackle,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: and they already have designated Bryant to return.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: That's one of those eight spots.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So you can probably get by essentially eating a roster
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: spot on not putting Campbell on IR. At running back,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: as you just mentioned, You know, you can get two
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: weeks of land layers in his elevation because he's already
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: been elevated once.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Stevenson and Kiner, that's it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: So if you want to open up a spot to
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: add another running back, are you going to IR somebody
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: knowing you might not get them back?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Are you just going to cut someone? So, you know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: to that point, what are they going to do at
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: running back?
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Well, there's all this weird arithmetic they have to do
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: with injuries that makes it tougher to tell. If they
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: didn't have all these injuries, they'd just put Travion Henderson
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: on IR, which you usually do for high ankle sprains.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: and sign Larrison or somebody else.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And there you go.
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: It might not be that simple because if you put
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Henderson on planning to bring him back, that's two.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown is.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Let me, let me read the list.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I tweeted it out on Saturday after they put Hollins
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: and Gilliam on IR. So Hollins, Gilliam, AJ Brown, Mike
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: on when who Dell Pettis, Bryce Beringer, Marcus Bryant, Greg
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Van Roen, Xavier Hutchins, Khalil Jacobs. Those are the 10
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: guys as of right now that are eligible to return
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: off injured reserve this season. Uh, if they put Henderson
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and Campbell on IR, then that brings 10 to 12, right?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Like you said, right.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: So they have seven more spots. Now, Hollins, Gilliam, AJ Brown.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: are absolute locks to come back if they're healthy, right?
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Like I, I think that that that's without question. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: obviously Henderson and Campbell would be as well. So that's five.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: If they have to do that, Mike on when it
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: would be, I I'm not optimistic that Mike on when
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: he was coming back this season.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I think that that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's one of those ones you save. If you
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: get the extra playoff spots, correct.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Now, no disrespect intended, but Del Pettis, Bryce Beringer, Marcus Bryant,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Greg Van Roe and Xavier Hutchins, Khalil Jacobs, they're, you
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily need to panic about not bringing those guys
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: back this year.
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Like I think all five of those are six of
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: those guys are kind of on the fence there. So
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: it's really Holland's Gilliam Brown. Cause I'm not going to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: count on when you, cause I, I just don't see
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: that happening.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Brian, do you want to bring Brian back?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: You already think, doesn't he count as one? Cause they
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: designated him.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: He does. So it might as well. Right. If you
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: have the open roster spot, you already use the spot,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: So that, that would be with Campbell hurt. So that's four.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And then if you do Henderson and you do Campbell,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: then now you're up to six. You are starting to
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: get up there a little bit in terms of the
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: numbers here. Now you mentioned that. I think it is
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: important to mention the two extra, if you make the playoffs.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: So it's, you know, obviously I'm not putting a cart
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: before a horse and saying the Patriots are definitely going
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: to the playoffs at three and two. But if you,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: if you just think about it, like, okay, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: these guys are probably not going to be healthy enough
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: to come back right in the regular season, like a
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Mike on when you, you know, may, can he come
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: back in January? You know, you kind of save a
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: spot there, but you're the numbers are, you're, they're starting
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: to add up. They're starting to add.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: No, it's, it's going to impact the way this roster
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: is managed the rest of the year. It's going to
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: be something we talk about for the rest of the year,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: which is why I wanted to bring it up and get.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: Ahead of it. Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: And then how, how many times do we get the
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: questions and it's plural. If a player misses three weeks
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: without going on, I are my mentions fill up with
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: why didn't they put them on?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Ir why didn't they just put them on ir right
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: like this is probably going to be there's probably some guys.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: That aren't going to go on ir that are going
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: to miss four plus games this is why yeah because
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: they don't they're not going to have the niners are
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: i think the niners are doing this in like week
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: two they stopped putting guys on ir because they have
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: enough spots unless somebody's truly out for the year so
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: it's again, it's just something that is going to be
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: a part of the way this roster is managed the
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: rest of the year. There's no way around it. And
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: it's going to be something that we kind of track.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: And this Henderson one is a great example because high
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: ankle sprain, that's, that's right on the bubble there. You know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: that's four to six weeks and you'd like to put
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: that guy on IR, but he's going to be back.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: And can you just eat that roster spot? But you're
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: also doing that with Campbell. You know, we'll see how
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: long Gonzalez and Davis are out. Those are other spots
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: where you're doing it, where those guys are probably going.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: To be back. So you don't want to put them
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: on IR. It's going to get thin real quick.
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: We'll talk more about the injuries on Thursday once we
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: see practice on Wednesday and we can unpack those a
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: little bit more. Last point here for me on the
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: stuff that gets you beat. This is a kinder fumble.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: You just can't have it in your own territory like
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: that and set up a scoring opportunity there for the Raiders.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I actually thought that he ran pretty well in this
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: game and on the run that he fumbled on, he
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: made the linebacker missing the hole and then just didn't
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: protect the football on his way through the line of
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: scrimmage and got it punched out. I actually, I was
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: cautiously optimistic about the way he ran in this game.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: He just, you need better ball security in that situation.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was funny because he made Eichenberg miss
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: and then he fumbled, you know, like it was actually
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: a pretty nice run to avoid a, you know, a
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: no gain or a tackle for loss there. I, you,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you mentioned to me after the game on Sunday that
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you had the penalties on, on your bags, stuff that
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: gets you beat.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: But my goodness was that crew flag happy.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: So that crew was not great, but you got like
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: false starts at home. You can't be having that. And
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: you know, 12 penalties is their most in a game
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: this year. 116 penalty yards is their most in a
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: game in 10 years since 2016.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: That's not all on the crew. Don't get me wrong.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: That crew drove me nuts, but I, there, there are,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: and Vrabel said it after the game, like there's definitely
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: things penalty wise. Cause they had some potentially costly penalties
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: last week too. The sheer number wasn't as high, but
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: the timing wasn't great. So, you know, they're now one
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: of the 10 most penalized teams in the NFL. Obviously
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: that game doesn't help, but right. Just something on the radar.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Like you, you don't want to be one of the
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: 10 most penalized teams in the NFL. You just don't.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: You don't. But that crew, that was a rough watch.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: That was not great.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't so much, like, I saw it when,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: you know, watching it back, you could see the infractions
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: that they're calling. They were just so ticky-tack that it
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: was just, it was too many flags.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: There was just too many flags.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: They say you can call holding. this ain't got holding on.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Any play in the NFL and the Craig roll stats.
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And sometimes, you know what, like we just want to
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: watch football and we don't want to watch, you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the flags all over the field, the, the intentional grounding
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: on Drake may, uh, that, that was like, they deemed
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: that remanded Stevenson and Hunter Henry, like it wasn't going
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to be a catchable situation. Like they basically like, uh, intent, right?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Like that drink, which I don't think is really how
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the rule is supposed to go.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Well, so David Andrews brought this up on our show
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: yesterday that there was a similar call, I think, in
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks Niners game where, and I mean, we used
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: to see Tom Brady do this all the time. James
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: White is blocking or Gronk's blocking, just throws it his back, right?
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: His feet, his ankles, heels is the word I'm looking for.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: That's never been grounding.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Was there some sort of point of emphasis maybe that
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: we missed that Like, it has to be a receiver now.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: And if the player's engaged in a block, he doesn't
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: count as a receiver in the area. I actually wouldn't
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: hate it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: If that's the rule.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: There's so many rules that favor the offense and make
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: life easier for the offense. If they wanted to say no,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: like if you're throwing to an intended receiver, it has
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: to be a guy that's like in the pattern.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'd be all for that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: I just.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: if they made the change, I would have liked to
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: hear it before they did.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I, that's exactly my view on it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: And then we got to wrap it up is just like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I've never seen it that matter before. I, it should
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: like it by just like the spirit of the rule
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: that would be intentional grounding, right? Like he was definitely
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: not completing a pass to remand Ray Stevenson or Hunter
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Henry in that situation. If you're inside the tackle box
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: and those guys are not like deemed to be receivers
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: that could actually make a play on the ball, then
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: they can call intentional grounding. They just, I just have
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: never seen that called as closely as that before.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: And obviously coming off the heels of the Josh Allen one,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: the week before it all, everybody's up in arms and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Patriot land about that. I got to say, that was,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I think, the best pacing we've ever done on the
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: show since we got to this new format.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'll stay home more often, I guess.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we didn't argue as much because you're not
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: in the building. Maybe that's what it is. We'll be
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: back on Thursday. We'll talk a lot more about the
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: injuries once we get out to practice and get the
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: first participation report. of the week tomorrow and get a
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: little bit more information, hopefully on where the Patriots stand
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: on injuries.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: But until then, Alex, thanks for putting up with this.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for fighting through and we'll see you
• 54:40
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• 54:47
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• 54:58
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