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We're still doing this thing, guys. Let's go. With that being said, my guest today is a board-certified radiation oncologist with over three decades of experience. She extends her mission beyond the clinic through interviews, videos, and podcasts. There She translates complex topics, nervous system regulation, emotional trauma, cancer prevention, immune res resilience into credible, approachable conversations in the integrative trauma informed sorry. Grounded in her trauma informed approach to care. Please welcome in the one, the only Doctor Hart. Doctor Hart, thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me today. Dr. Hart: Thank you so very much for having me. I'm excited. Pete: I'm very excited to have you. So Dr. Hart, why don't you let everybody know a little more about yourself and then we'll get into some other stuff. Dr. Hart: So by training, as you mentioned, I'm a radiation oncologist and I have been practicing radiation oncology for almost 30 years. However, through the healing of my own childhood traumas, I kind of came out of the box of Western medicine. And Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: now I offer modalities that I still believe that they play a major role in treating a patient with cancer. Because we do know of the scientific link between unhealed childhood traumas, adulthood traumas, and cancer, multiple sclerosis, dementia, all of it. so it's not out of the field of oncology, but Western medicine doesn't con consider them a standard of care. Pete: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, it's funny you say that though, because Western medicine, when it comes to cancer, it's always, you know, radiation, these are things. But you're saying it doesn't have to, which I love. I think it's great. I love that we're bringing the Eastern medicine into a lot of things these days because I think a lot of people sleep on them or just don't know about them. You know what I mean? Because Western medicine always has those like heavy commercials about this and that. They're always real good. They To inform you, but it is is it really real information we need? Probably not half the time. They're just telling you, this is the only way to go about it. But that's that's where you're turning the you're turning this whole page to a whole other thing. You're like, wait a minute, hold up. These are the methods I'm using. You know what I'm saying? And and it's it's great. I'd love to see it. I honestly do. I love I love it when people are doing alternative methods these days because a lot of those side effects from those the chemo and everything else you gotta go. It's so hard. But you know, with with what you're using, the map method and everything else, you know, you're making changes on that, you know. Dr. Hart: I have to clarify that I consider MAP and CAP to be complementary. I still support a standard of care. Pete: Mm-hmm. Okay. Dr. Hart: But I think that what lacks medical, I mean Western medicine lacks is that They don't go into the root of the issues and like, okay, the Vesai Medicine is really good in addressing acute phases of disease. So if somebody has a tumor growing somewhere, you don't want to invite them to start doing meditation as treatment. I would say, Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: let's take care of this. But once you're done with the standard of care, that is when your job starts. Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: Because now we have to look at everything. We have to look at your traumas. We have to look at the air you're breathing, the water you're drinking, the food you're eating, electromagnetic pollution. These are the things that they don't talk about in oncology, right? Pete: True, very true. So can I ask you though, what what got you into that field? I mean, it's it's an interesting area to go into. Is it some has medicine always been a big thing for you when you were younger? Or is it something that you kind of like came across later on? We're like, you know what, I kind of really like this and and went down that road because I'm always always interested to know how people get to where they're at. It's always fun to hear the stories. Dr. Hart: have two answers for you and one is Pete: Okay. Dr. Hart: what looked like on the surface and the other one is like what is going on deep down. So I'm from Iran Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: and in our Iran culturally if you're a good student You're getting good grades and good marks. Everybody expects you to become a doctor. They have kind of ranked the professions. So Pete: okay. Okay. Dr. Hart: when I went to, I was a very good student when I was in high school, I noted that all of my classmates want to become doctor. And it was something for me like, I have to become a doctor. It was like sounded like an expectation. Now, the lucky part is that when I went into medicine, I absolutely loved it. But there are many people who go into medicine and hate it for the rest of their life, at least, you know, in in the classmates Pete: Mm. Dr. Hart: that I have. Some of them became doctors and never practiced. Like my own sister is a dentist. She practiced for a year and said, nope, this is not for me, and left it. This is this the the high look on the surface. But Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: as Dr. Gabor Mate, who is very famous family practitioner who has done Beautiful, excellent job in trauma and treating addiction and all of that says is that we doctors, we are traumatized people and are it's a trauma response to need to be wanted. Like when you're Pete: No, okay, okay. Dr. Hart: as when as a traumatized child you feel that you're not seen, you're not heard, you're not loved, you're not nourished. you try to find ways to make your existence necessary because as Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: a child when you're unsupported your life is at risk and we carry that survival mode into our adulthood of like what can I be that everybody needs me. Doctor is one Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: of them everybody needs a doctor. So there is there is Pete: Very true, very true. Dr. Hart: a l a bunch of traumatized people in medicine. Pete: Yeah, makes f I mean it makes sense though you think about it. Like I was I was traumatized as a kid too, and then I just had to find that need too. And it ended up being this show. Like, you know, I when I started this thing, God knew how how fast of a response I was gonna get. I got an overwhelming demand of people that wanted to come have a conversation with me. you know, we're we're up at the two year mark as of September 9th of this month coming or this month now. And it It it was it's the same thing. You hit all the right things in the head 'cause I felt the same way and heard. I f I felt all those things. As soon as you start I felt like you're just talking about me for a minute, 'cause that's how I felt too. And it it's hard for people that haven't been traumatized as a kid don't understand those things. And when you're later when you don't deal with it and it builds up and then it gets overwhelming to the point like, Okay, well now I need to deal with this problem after I've caused a complete path of chaos, you know? Dr. Hart: And the problem is that people define trauma mistakenly just as bad negative things that happened Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: to you. But when the positive things did not happen, that is also trauma. So a child needs to be seen, needs to be heard, needs to be nourished, needs to be loved unconditionally. And when they don't get it, that's a type of trauma. Pete: Yeah, very true. Yeah. I I the same thing too. I know I know they say it a lot of times that, you know, my trauma is my superpower. it it made me Dr. Hart: Yes. Pete: want to be, you know, help other people, make people feel more accepted because I was abandoned, you know. So I have that that feel that I want to make sure everybody feels included. So that's why I create when I created the show, I made it strictly a space where people could come in and share their feelings about things. And they don't have to worry about being judged by them because that's not me judging you. I'm letting them Giving them simply a voice amplify and then I get to bring in great people like yourselves and other other individuals that are in the professional fields that come in and inform people about these things. Like, hey, listen, there's these things, but there's also other options out there to help you that can complement things that you're doing, or maybe it works better for you to go that route, you know, that kind of thing. But yeah, no, I felt that a hundred percent when you said that though. I was just like, Man, she's talking about me over here. Dr. Hart: And you know that alchemy of turning trauma into wisdom and into compassion requires that you work on your trauma. Not every Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: traumatized person who has not dealt with trauma could be this wise, compassionate person because they're so stuck in their old patterns and all of that. I was there a few years ago. So Pete: Mm. I was there too. Dr. Hart: Yeah, so only when you work on it and you come Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: the other side, then you're empowered with all this. You know, when I talk to my clients, they know I'm not talking about things I read in a book. They Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: energetically feel it, that I Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: have been there. I have experienced insomnia, I have experienced depression, I have experienced PTSD. It's important to clients to know that they're talking to someone who has been there rather than read it Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: in a book. Pete: Yeah, 100%. Could have said any better myself because I feel like that's what a lot of people relate when they know that you understand it. It's it's like when I tell people when I talk about mental health, like you understand some people get it and other people don't get it. You know what I mean? That whole feeling. Dr. Hart: Uh-huh. Pete: It's the same thing because once you know people get it, it's a whole different conversation versus somebody doesn't get it. And then people are like, Well, why did a conversation look different? And when you explain it to them, you're like, Well, if you get it, then it makes sense, then you know what we're talking about. If not, it you're kind of feeling left out like You know, like if I'm talking sports and you don't know anything about sports, you know what I Like it's like that's the comparison, literally. But yeah, that I mean I I would think that makes your approach better though. I mean, more people would open up to you, feel more like they could trust you because you've been there, you know, and using your experience, you know, Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Pete: and letting you know, hey, listen, I'm on the same level you are. I may be, you know, trained in the medical field, but I 100% have been where you've been. So trust me, I Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Pete: get what you're going through. And it's it's the dialogue, the tone of voice, the energy that comes off from that, the emotion. They can feel it all, you know. Dr. Hart: And it removes judgment Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: and labeling, which is very, very common in mental health space. Pete: Very good point. Dr. Hart: Now, many mental health providers, they are mental health providers because they wanted to solve their own issues with trauma. Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: And many of them have not. And what you experience, which I experienced 30 years of it, you sit in front of a psychiatrist or a therapist. And they're completely quiet, they don't talk about it, anything, and they're just maybe taking note and then put labels on you. This, that, that, and you don't get any empathy, you don't get any compassion. it's 45 minutes, see you next week. And it becomes the story of you retelling your traumatizing stories over and over again. I did it for 30 years, and You get re traumatized. Pete: Yeah. Yeah. So Doctor, let me ask you this though, since you you've been through therapy, when Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Pete: when you were younger to now, have you noticed a difference in the approach of it though? It it had to change a little bit from where we started from when you were younger. Obviously, we didn't know as much then as we do now. Do you feel like like some of them now have better approaches from your own experience? Dr. Hart: You know, I'm social media has a positive and negative side, and I think social Pete: Mm-hmm. yeah. Dr. Hart: media has brought trauma to the surface. People 30 years ago nobody talked about trauma. No, everybody's Pete: Yes. Yes. Right. Dr. Hart: talking about trauma and trigger. Granted, some of some of these have misunderstanding, maybe they don't know Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: and they just just repeat the word trigger or trauma, not knowing Pete: Right. Dr. Hart: exactly, but it puts pressure on the healthcare providers because they know that they're completely dealing with a different set of patients. Pete: Yeah. yeah, for sure. Yeah, 'cause I come in. Well, I heard this on TikTok and you're like Listen, TikTok isn't have a metal cook. But no, I get that though, because Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: like it's the same thing with narcissists, it's the same thing with people saying, I'm I'm so cine. Dr. Hart: Yeah, my God. Everybody has been married to a narcissist, right? Pete: Exactly. But the people that have been through that, you know, there's a woman I did interview one time. It was so bad for her, she couldn't have the camera on for home protection. Like those people are going through it. These other people, it's like, we picked up a new word, we're just gonna keep using it. it's Dr. Hart: right. Pete: kind of like that movie Mean Girls. Remember the girl, she's like making up new words, it's like it's never gonna catch on. That's what it feels like now. And then, you know, and then the touch in since it's September, you know, suicide awareness videos. Some of them are just like, Can you all please stop posting these things? Some of them are not really possibly helping. Dr. Hart: Right. Pete: You know, I've only seen very few that are really good, but there's some that are just like you have to worry about what the person that's watching it, what state of mind they're in. Cause if they're too far gone, as me and and Dr. Liam talked about, he was and I were talking about it. He was like, that could push somebody over the edge, or you may even have ri message might even reach them if they're at that certain point. Dr. Hart: Absolutely that I have been there. I have been there. I have been more than once in my life in a position that I had completely planned my exit. So Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: I completely understand it, and it's a very, very difficult situation when you're dealing with somebody, Pete: I bet it is. It is one hundred percent. Dr. Hart: you want to help them, like you said, you can say the wrong thing and just make them do it instead of preventing Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: it. So what we don't wanna happen is that we don't wanna turn being labeled by mental health Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: providers to being labeled by a bunch of people who have no idea what they're talking about, right? And you know, Pete: Exactly. Dr. Hart: labeling as we are label, label, labeled, and you know, without having any expertise in making the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder, like people are calling Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: each other narcissists, I was married to an my ex was a narcissist. I mean, really? How do you make that diagnosis? Don't label people just because you have Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: heard the term. Pete: Yeah. Or what is it? Tell people they're crazy. Tell people the Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: hospital. I've I've heard some wild stories from Smoney. Actually, a girl I co-hosted another show with she was posting her story online and the negative feedback just kept pouring in. And it's like, you know, there's Dr. Hart: I know. Pete: there's a swipe button for a reason. You don't like what it says. You don't Dr. Hart: Right. Pete: have to comment. It's like everybody feels like now that the they have this space to talk, it's like, let me say something to be heard. It's like Yeah, no, that's not helpful to people because you don't understand what these these people are opening up to you, telling you about these stories and things Dr. Hart: Yes, yes. Pete: they're dealing with. And it's hard enough to to post that there. And then you go to the internet and then you're gonna get mixed reviews, you know. And and especially when I do do this stuff, it's like I expect comments to come in. Like I'll constantly filter things. Like anything that is negative, I'm gonna just because there's no need for that. People don't need to read that. That's not the point of it. The whole point of the show is to let people know. That they're not alone out there. You know, there's there's somebody Dr. Hart: Right. Pete: here that's willing to listen. I'm willing listen. Everybody else I have willing to l you know what I mean? And it's and it's funny you say social media though, because me and another podcaster were looking at it. It said that forty-five percent of adults report that it's negative for kids, but we let them still get on the internet though. Then why are you allowing them to get on there then if it's still that bad? Dr. Hart: It's the free babysitter, right? and it's a lot of Pete: Another great point. Dr. Hart: and it's a lot of pressure from classmates. Like if you have a child that you you don't wanna Pete: yeah, the the fear of missing FOMO. Yeah. One hundred percent. Good. Dr. Hart: you don't wanna give them an iPhone or you don't wanna they lose I mean people are no children are no longer Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: meeting on the street like you and I Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: were like running all day planning playing and Pete: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Hell yeah. Dr. Hart: then coming home for dinner. Their friendships are virtual is just Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: and to deprive a child from that could be very challenging for parents. And sometimes they just they just break and say, okay, here's the iPhone, here's the social media. But going back to the negative comments on social media, it takes a lot of healing to get to a position where you don't care what people think of you. Pete: Exactly, yeah. Dr. Hart: It's so liberating. But as a traumatized person, how people think about you is almost like survival for you. It's like you need to be adored, and Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: that's why we become people pleaser. That's why we Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: compromise by giving up our authentic self and becoming something that people like, and that's really a trauma response. Now, Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: for people who are traumatized and they have had the courage to open up and be vulnerable to attack them with those vicious things that you know it it's a bunch of cowards sitting in the on the back like on a computer, they're not seen, Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: they don't know who they are. They wouldn't tell you those things in your face. but they Pete: no, no. Dr. Hart: would be really comfortable saying those things, and it really can put that person who has opened up into a downhill spiral because most likely they're not in a place where they don't care about what people think. They are Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: still in a position that they do care what people think. And that could be really bad. Pete: Yeah, you know, it it's funny though, because everybody has a response to everything and it's just to me it's like, yeah, you didn't need to add that in. And you know, you make really great points there though, too. The people are when they're sharing these things, it's opening up and then they get the negative flashback. It's it's eventually Dr. Hart: Mm. Pete: you do gain that tough skin though, where you're like, Well, I just don't care. Because I was the same way though. At first I didn't really talk much about what happened. I mentioned a few things, but then I realized when I just ripped the band aid off and just went for it, more people were more receptive to what's going on. Like I had people that w listen, but I had way more people start listening, getting emails and things that just because the raw honesty of just how it was. Like I've Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: I told people about several of my attempts. I in fact the last one I that was was a year ago, about the right before Thanksgiving, I had mentioned to my wife I was having these thoughts and she said, well make me the 13th reason why. You know, and for her to make that statement, this being your partner, for them to say that it was just like, okay. And you know, and I was very open about it. You know, and and a lot of people were very receptive because the fact I just like I'm like I'm on the internet already. At this point, it's what's there to hide from me? I have no no bounds, no t I'm not afraid to share these things. The only thing I don't agree with is when people find out that you're a survivor, that they look at you in a different light. And it's the same thing with cancer, too. You think about it. Like when you get cancer, people just you know, it's like they don't want that. They just they're they're trying to get through this thing. You you babying them is not helping. They want you to be positive, but Dr. Hart: Right. Pete: not like You know, make them feel like they're the oddball, you know, the ugly duckling of the group, sir, say, you what I'm saying? And it's just to me, it's just Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: like I think people do too much judging. They don't do enough asking questions. Like if you see somebody struggling with something, ask them, like, hey, are you okay? Hey, you look like you know what I mean? That one conversation could save somebody's life for all you know. Dr. Hart: Absolutely. And you know, there are two types of people that may say or do something that hurts the other person. Some of them are just mean, like trolls Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: on online. But there are many, many people who have very good intentions. And as we have heard it, the road to hell is paved with good intention. In Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: oncology, like my patients would come to me as like, my friend said this, or my sister said that, or my husband said that. I created list of things not to say to somebody Pete: So Dr. Hart: who Pete: so now that you mention that, let's what are some things they shouldn't say? Like l let's cover that topic. 'Cause that's a rate great conversational point right there. What shouldn't people say to them? Because I don't think a lot of people know. It's it's kinda like, you know, grief a little bit too. A lot of people don't know how to approach the subject, you know what I mean? So let's why not why not tell them some of the things they probably shouldn't tell them. Dr. Hart: So, for example, obviously we have cancers who have very different prognosis. Like, Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: you know, somebody who has early stage breast cancer, curable, very different from somebody who has pancreatic cancer. They're their their outcome, they're two different diseases. So sometimes people dismiss the seriousness and importance of a stage one breast cancer by telling them, Please, you don't have pancreatic cancer. Like, Pete: yeah. Dr. Hart: be grateful you don't have pancreatic. I'm like, that is really minimizing and dismissing what that person is experiencing. For them, stage one breast cancer, as good prognosis as might have, they don't want it. They don't want to be diagnosed. Nobody wants to be diagnosed with stage one breast cancer. So they think they're giving them some positive help or support. But they're absolutely questioning and minimizing how serious that diagnosis is for them. Pete: Yeah, true. Very true. I have a friend right now. She's dealing with cancer actually too. And I've just been trying to be as supportive as possible. Just asking her how you're doing. Just just keeping the conversation normal. She's the one Dr. Hart: Right. Pete: that'll bring up the cancer part. I'll just kind of ask her how things are going, just to keep it just not make her feel different. You know what I mean? She'll she'll share what she wants to share. she she's a fellow podcaster too. She does a podcast called Humanity Two Po. Vanessa is my really good friend, but she she's been dealing with it openly though. She's been telling people all what she's dealing with. Thoughts she's going through. She's she's basically journaling it online a little bit and telling people. And I think she was recording episodes two where she was talking about what she's going through, how she's feeling, and and things like that too. So I I I think they'll this is very helpful for people to understand that like, you know, don't don't minimize what they're dealing with. Like they like breast cancer is serious because my my one of my aunts actually had it. She survived, but I've I've heard other people we've lost to breast cancer and things like that too. it cancer in general is just serious. Dr. Hart: Castor Seuss, huh. Pete: Serious thing, but what which one you have, it's obviously, you know, different story, what's Dr. Hart: Yeah, yeah. Pete: gonna happen there. Dr. Hart: There is no hierarchy in pain. So Pete: Mm. Dr. Hart: if you have pancreatic cancer, you're entitled to this much of pain or suffering, but since Pete: Yeah, yeah. Dr. Hart: you're stage one, you're not. No, everybody's pain is their pain. And at the beginning of my career, I I it was mind-boggling for me to see how friends and family members disappeared. Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: when the patient was diagnosed with cancer and it was like the biggest question for me and I I had support groups so I started asking people, it's like why? And they said, because we don't know what to say and we don't know what to do. Right? Pete: Exactly. See? That's what I'm saying. It's just like grief. The same thing with grief falls in that category. Like people don't know what to say or they say feel they're gonna say the wrong thing. And you know, I I think Dr. Hart: Yeah, mm-hmm. Pete: they need to stop making it so awkward and just ask questions like that. They were asking you, like Doctor Hur, what what can we say to them, you know? And it's great Dr. Hart: Yeah, exactly. Right. Pete: with people like yourself that have that list of things they shouldn't tell people, you know, Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Pete: that they can go to, like, okay, well, these are some things you shouldn't do, but these are things you know what I mean? Like it it's great when you have people like yourself that clarify these things because it's almost like Alzheimer's a little bit Like like we know it what it is. It does it's very aggressive at times, but not a lot of people know anything about it. Do you know what I mean? Like it's it's the Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: strangest thing ever. It's like it's it's a top one of the top killers, you know, but then we don't know enough about it. Like like come what? That that didn't make any sense. But I like I said, hats off though, that that you're you're make sure to inform these guys. Hey, listen, these are some things not to say to them. Because you know, like you just said, people admit it, they don't have any idea. Dr. Hart: Right, so all you need to be for a friend or family is to be present, Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: listen, ask questions. They don't need your advice. After thirty years of being an oncologist, Pete: Yes. Yes. Dr. Hart: when I enter the room, the first thing I tell the patient is like I have been an oncologist for 30 years. I have no idea how it is to be in your shoes. I have zero idea. To be To know that it's important because we human beings sometimes have this misconception that just by imagining something, we can put ourselves in somebody's shoes. No, you cannot. Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: And I tell them that until and unless I'm diagnosed with cancer, I don't know what you're going through. So, my I'm not here to claim that I know what you're going through. I'm just sharing my education and experience and expertise as how to help you. So yes, just be present. don't offer advice. Some of the other things that is really helpful, like people want to help, but Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: just saying I'm there for you, please let me know what I can do for you is not enough because they're not gonna ask. Pete: Hold on, hold on. I want everybody to hear what she just list to what she just said. That's with a hundred percent the statement Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: that gets made for a lot of situations is that when you say, hey, call me if you need something, they're not gonna call you. I Dr. Hart: Mm-mm. Pete: wouldn't call you. She you know what I mean? We've been there, we know exactly what we're but that is a fantastic statement, Dr. Hart, right there alone, because I think that's a very point that gets mute a lot of times. People like say that all the time, and then it's like, but then when you call them. On the flip side, and they don't answer, it's even worse. And it's like, Why did you say you're gonna be here if you're not ready to handle this conversation? Dr. Hart: So the better way is saying what are those specific things that you can do. So Pete: Exactly. Dr. Hart: you can you can say, you know, I can walk your dog, I can make food, I can make like one meal a day or two meals a week, whatever you can do. Say things that you can do if they ask you. And you can say, you know, I can help you have your babysit your child, Pete: Helped elect the laundry. Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: I can do your laundry, I can do all list everything that you can do and then say which one of these do you want me to do? Pete: Yeah, I think it's a very great point too, you know, and it it it's it's like I said, you're not the part that makes me laugh is when you say don't offer advice because I'm pretty sure Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Pete: you've walked into some of those situations. Well it's like listen, I'm medically trained. You're not. I appreciate you you have an opinion here, but let me work my well, let me do what I do best and handle this situation, you know? you know, because I feel like, you know, the internet's great. And again, we're back, but we have these great things, but We don't use them for the right things. Like, you know, we could easily be, you know, searching things that make sense and look up facts. But we decide to let to let TikTok be our our doctor, which don't get me wrong, TikTok has some great people on there. Don't be wrong. I've met some fantastic doctors that are doing things on there and informing people. Dr. Jen Bellinger, she is actually an expert in the field of BPD. She she was on there. I met her on TikTok. That's how I got her on the show. you know, I'm not trying to say the internet's a bad place, but we gotta be more effective with the way we're doing it. You know, if you're you know, supporting each other, you know, it it just being kind to people. You know, and then don't make these individuals feel weird when you see them in public. I saw a young lady the other day saying, she had to be like five or six. She was going through chemo. The only thing I noticed, I look right at her glasses. I know she had she had the, you know, the chemo, you know, bald had everybody always stares at him. I made her feel completely safe. I was like, I like your glasses. I didn't even care about anything else. I was like, I like the glasses. You know, try to make her day as best I could. You know, 'cause I know what it's like. My aunt's been there too. you know, I I was watching her, you know, deal with it and go through it. And things like that. I always try to turn it into a positive whenever you meet those kind of people, you know. No matter what, you just you know, hey, listen, it's great to meet. Can I can I get you anything and anything? How you doing today? You know what I mean? Change the conversation, anything to about what they're doing with. That way it makes their day a little bit better, you know. Dr. Hart: And regarding giving advice, it's not about having expertise. I have all the expertise to give advice. I Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: never, and there are cancer patients who don't show up in my office, they're meeting me somewhere else with the other work Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: that I'm doing. I do not jump in and say, yes, I think you should do this and this and that. No, Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: despite the fact that I have the expertise. Be respectful enough that you Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: let them ask for advice if they want to. Sometimes they don't want your advice. Don't give unsolicited advice, even if you have the expertise. Pete: Very good point. Very, very good point. Listen, you're right. 100% on that one too. you know, so let's let's cover something here really quick. for everybody at home, can you give them a very good explanation of what the map method is? I know we talk make anything possible. Just I just wanted to cover for people who have never heard of this before, and you give them a little enlightenment of how you're using it. Dr. Hart: Sure. So after 30 years of therapy and heavy doses of medications and transcranial magnetic stimulation failed, and my treatment resistant depression and PTSD insomnia was not getting any better. And my psychiatrist literally told me I don't have anything else to offer you. I kind of broke out of the box of Western medicine. I went Eastern. Now I don't want to say map is Eastern, but I I no longer was tied to phase three clinical trials supporting anything because I just couldn't sleep. I was extremely depressed, suicidal, PTSD. I'm like, Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: here's a glass of snake oil, drink it. I'm like, give it to me. I'll I'll try everything. And believe me, I have three pages of modalities that I tried and they did not help. But two modalities showed up in my Facebook, and that is the positive side of social media. That I said, okay, I'll try these. And one of them was map, make anything possible. MAP is, in my opinion, for what it did for me, is the most effective and most efficient way of neutralizing your childhood adulthood trauma. In fact, when 30 years of therapy had made me only worse. Six, that is right. Six sessions of math neutralize my childhood trauma. And the way it's done, it's done, the healing is done, but by your higher self. We call it superconscious Pete: okay. Dr. Hart: in math. And a coach like me only facilitates that by communicating with your higher self through muscle testing, getting yes and no from your higher self. And the rest of the work is done by your own higher self and it's happening at the subconscious level. No storytelling. I absolutely Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: do not need to know anything about your story. And all you do, you bring image of what event, whether that was sexual abuse like me or whatever it was, you bring it Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: to your mind and you give me a number as how uncomfortable that image is making you. Mine was at the beginning 10 out of 10. And Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: you see that in a matter of minutes that negative charge drops to 3, 2, 0. And that was for me was mind-boggling. And it's not hypnosis. Nobody is raising erasing those memories from your mind. I still remember all of them, but they don't make me uncomfortable Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: anymore. Pete: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. But the subconscious is a very interesting place. we've Dr. Hart: Yeah. Pete: had several conversations with people that do a lot of work in those areas where they go into your subconscious mind and help you work through a lot of these things, you know, and Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Pete: and bring a lot of those things to the forefront though. I did also Dr. Hart: Yes. Pete: want to cover though the K Cap. did you want to give them an explanation a little bit of that? Because I I love the the this the principle of it. Like energy always fascinates me because You know, we all know we're all made of energy, you know. And when I learned about energy healing, it was such an interesting route for me to go to find out that like I'm energy sensitive, like I can sense people's energy, you know, and it's hard to explain I come I explain it because I'm a I'm a nerd, so I call it my spidey sense basically. Like when I get close to certain people, I'm in the same room. I can read people's energy a lot of times. I can feel them out, you know, and things like that. And it was always something I could never figure out what it was. But you know, why why don't you let them know what cap is though for sure? Because I think this is a very interesting one myself. Dr. Hart: First, I to make a comment about you reading people's energy. That's a trauma response. It's not negative, it's trauma. We traumatized Pete: Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Hart: people, we're all empaths. Why? Because Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: as a child, you needed to be able to read the room before the chaos breaks, right? So you could feel Pete: Yes, ma'am. Dr. Hart: the energy of your parents. Are they Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: mad? Are they about to start fighting and screaming at each other and hitting each other? Pete: Exactly. Dr. Hart: You read that way before it's happening because that's your Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: survival instinct. Now, just because I have seen negative comments about being empath on social media, so that's a trauma response. Yes, it is a trauma response. But as you heal your traumas and turn your pain into wisdom and into compassion, now you have the superpower of being an empath, which is your reading. Pete: You know, and it also and it's also helpful too when you're talking to other people and you know they're going through something because you can sense it. It makes the conversation Dr. Hart: Mm-hmm. Exactly. Pete: easier because you can walk up to me like, hey, listen, I know you're going something, I can notice, you know, and it's always Dr. Hart: Exactly. Pete: it's been real great. Like I said, like you were saying, I turned it into a superpower now. I didn't Dr. Hart: Yes. Pete: I don't let it be negative for me. It was at first it was just wasn't sure what it was, but that Dr. Hart: Right. Yeah. Pete: as soon as you start saying that, I felt at home because you could tell, like you knew when they were about to start going at it, you noticed certain mannerisms that you know, it's like that natural response because I have anxiety. So on top of that, I'm also very hyper aware of a lot of things around me. So I'm always Dr. Hart: Yes. Pete: constantly scanning the room just to see for any situation. So Dr. Hart: Yes, yes. And it it's a sa it's a safety tool because there Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: are many locations that you don't need to be at. There are people you don't need to be around. And when your Pete: Exactly. Dr. Hart: system, your own intuition's like, no, not vibing, you get up. Pete: Right, I'm out. Ex escape plan. Dr. Hart: So going back to CAP, anything and anyone that is made of atoms. It's energy. Now Pete: Mm-hmm. Exactly. Dr. Hart: we think those particles in an atom they are material. No, they're just energy. Like electron, proton, neutron, they're just energy. What is not made of atoms? All of us human beings are made. This table is that tree is this atom. So we are all Pete: Mm-hmm. Exactly. Dr. Hart: energy. And just because of that, we are vibrating as a certain level. You you listen to two types of music or you look at two different Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: lights, the difference between them is their level of vibration and frequency. Now, in a human being, your emotions have their own vibration, your thoughts have their own vibration, your physical state has its own vibration. So the only difference between disease and health is that disease has very low vibration, very incoherent energy, health has High vibration, very coherent. So the energy, some people think so more energy is better. No, if you have a lot of incoherent, chaotic energy, that's not good for you. So you Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: want to have high vibrations and coherence, and that is what CAP Kundilini activation process does for you. It raises your vibration, and once your vibrations have been raised, your emotions now they shift from sadness to happiness they shift from being a victim to gratitude your state of health jumps from disease to health your thoughts change and i find these two modalities that i offer both cap and map i chose them because they saved my life and i'm not you know i'm not exaggerating they literally Pete: Yeah. Dr. Hart: saved my life and shortly after using them i stop all of my medications, I stopped therapy, I I sleep like a baby, I have been happiest I have been in my life. I'm a completely different person from the person I was when I started MAP and CAP. And this captain this had can happen to anyone. And I felt my responsibility because I felt I'm an oncologist. I don't need to now go make money out of MAP or CAP. But it was so mind-blowing to me that I did no did not know anything about them. And I was so feeling so helpless that Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: I thought I thought I was damaged good. And the reason that 30 years of therapy and medication didn't fix me was because I was damaged good, that there was no hope for me, and could I couldn't be any more wrong. Everybody can be healed. You just have to find the right modality for you. So I offer these Pete: Exactly. Dr. Hart: two modalities. I find them to be complementary. And I use a very simple analogy. I say, you know, you want to go get a massage. And they say, okay, is there any particular place of your body that we need to focus on? If you said yes, it's my neck, that is map, because map is addressing traumas. Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: Now, if you say no, I just want to feel better, like general massage, that is cat. Because CAP Pete: Okay. Dr. Hart: is not particularly focusing on anything particular, but it's raising your vibration, improving your emotional, mental, and physical. Pete: I love it. Well, Dr. Hart, we are at this part of the interview where we start wrapping things up. I do have two questions for you. The first one is a bit of a fun one. I actually stole from a friend of mine. She had she was asking people questions. So the question to you is if your mental health had a song, what would you say that song would be? Now this one is a very interesting question, and the answers have been all over the place. Dr. Hart: You know, I might not have a song for it, but I have a movie for it. The Wizard Wizard of Oz, where Pete: There you go. Okay, okay. Dr. Hart: that place that all of a sudden the world goes from black and white to color. That's Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: my experience of healing my traumas with map and cap. I came alive and all of a sudden I look at the world like, wow, everything is so vibrant and so colorful. Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: I love this. So yes, my when I was Pete: That that's great. Dr. Hart: depressed it was black and white and now I live in a colorful world. Pete: I love that response. The funniest one to date, though, was by a gentleman, ex-machine gunner from the military. He said the ram got ran over by Readnur, by the way. I I almost died laughing in this chair. I almost fell out of the chair. In fact, because it was so shocking Dr. Hart: Ha ha ha. Ha ha. Pete: when he had said that because, like, there's no wrong answer to it, you know. Dr. Hart: Mm. Pete: But Dr. Hart, we're at the last question of the interview. and the reason I start this podcast, so if you could break the stigma about mental health, now what I'm asking you. Is something that you hear people say that you just want people to stop believing. What would you say that one thing would be? Dr. Hart: I think the the biggest disservice Western medicine has done to all of us, patients and doctors, is separating, fragmenting fragmenting us as you are mind, body, and you know, Pete: Mm-hmm. Dr. Hart: there's no such thing. We are just one unit and spirituality, emotions, mind, body, they're all in one. So Is there a shame in having diabetes? No. There shouldn't be any shame in having mental illness. It means that Pete: Exactly. Dr. Hart: this system is out of balance for one reason or another. And just as you can treat diabetes, you can treat mental health. that's as simple as that. Pete: Well, Dr. Hart, thank you so much for coming. This was a fantastic conversation. I loved it. I think we got a lot of real great insight about you and the things you're doing. And I appreciate the fact that what you're doing is you're you're making changing things, making it look a little different for people to make it more easier to understand. with that being said, where can everybody find you? Any websites, any social medias you want to plug, any of that kind of stuff you want to plug? And guys, I will make sure to have all her links in the bio here. for this episode for you guys to check out for sure to go give her some love. Dr. Hart: So to keep my licenses, I have two websites. One of them is for oncologies called Heart to Heart Cancer Consultants. And the other one is called Healing by Heart. And depending on which part of my expertise people are interested, they can go to Pete: Right. Dr. Hart: one of them. And they also can find my social media on my websites. I'm pretty accessible. I offer 15 minute free consultations, so they can reach me easily. Pete: That's awesome. But guys, and with that being said, we're going to wrap up this episode of Pete for Anxiety. You guys want to find me? I'm Pete for Sinxiety. I'm on X all the way down to TikTok. I'm on Spotify all the way down to Capandorio. And if you're in the Pennsylvania area, we are on the Pep Radio Network. Guys, I know we say it's cost nothing. Absolutely not to be kind to someone. One kind act you could do could save your life, hell, you can make their day. I'm Pete for Sinxiety sign-off saying, don't ask how your day is today. Say, hey, how's your mental health?