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Talks to Joe M about his choice of Partners in Crime · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker.
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Welcome back to a Hamster with a Blood Pen knife, The Doctor Who
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Commentary podcast. Almost 1000 episodes now.
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Terrifying. I'm here today with the
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elusively titled Mad Paddington. May I call you mad?
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You can if you want. My real name is Joe though, so
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you're welcome to call me that as well.
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Oh, A. Fine, name Joe, if I may say so.
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I'm fond of it. You know, I've never been out on
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a date with somebody called Joe. You know this will be the first
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time. Oh well, I'm glad to be the
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first. The comedian Russell, No.
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What's his funny name? Russell Brand.
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Russell Howard. Oh God, none of the Russells.
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It wasn't a Russell. Russell T Dangerous people would
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say he's. A comedian nowadays.
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Reginald D Hunter told me that Joe was one of his favorite male
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names. Why was that?
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I have no idea he with any further comment.
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We were just chatting at the bar after a show that he had seen
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him do, and he told me that it was it was one of his favorite
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male names, but so you know. You get a beautiful surname like
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McLaughlin, I get Ford. I don't know.
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It's, it's the problem. Well, I don't know, because I
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feel like you can probably get away with them if you're at
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school or something. You can have, you can have a
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nickname, you could be Fordie or whatever, which is not hugely
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imaginative. I had JoJo can't afford because
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we were quite a poor family unfortunately.
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What was your nickname at school?
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Well. I didn't really have one I.
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Huge tuttie, that sort of thing. Yeah, there's one one of the
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girls that I don't even really know her name, She was just a
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girl that she was just around in the lunch queue one day and she
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decided that she would try and make look like a like a, like a,
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like a Lucalin work. And it just didn't stick
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because. Sounds like a Eurovision Song,
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doesn't it? It's unwieldy, you know, You
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can't, you can't do a lot with it, really.
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Well, look, we keep talking about our names here.
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I fear we may be married by the end of the call.
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So let's talk about Doctor Who. And so now this isn't your first
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podcast, is it? You have, you know, recently
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been on a far inferior podcast. Too hot for TV?
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Yeah, well, I felt it was time for the big leagues, you know?
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Well after one. Well done.
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Yeah, no. Well, you know, I got some
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lovely feedback and I decided, yeah, sorry, I'm, I'm, I'm good
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enough for this. Do you think this is the big
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leagues? This is the sewers, baby.
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Well, look, if you're going for quantity rather than quality,
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then this is this is. Absolutely.
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You're absolutely spot on there. Yeah, yeah.
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Well, how did that go? Did you enjoy doing that
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podcast? I had a lovely time, yes, Dylan
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was a very accommodating host and he made me sound good in the
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edit, so that was, you know. Did.
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He take much out, you know, I think he takes out half of what
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I say. I've got no idea to be perfectly
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honest. I, I, I don't know if I've got
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the, the strength to listen back-to-back, you know, with
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just my audio and say. Now I've got to listen to that.
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And I was just like, I, I did press play today just for a
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second. I was like, I wanted to hear
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what he sounds like. And I was like, oh, that's a
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nice fresh accent. In the world of post casting.
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I don't think there's any other Yorkshire accents about, is
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there? I don't know.
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It's no, I suppose it's Jim Allenby's Grimsby and he's, he's
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sort of a Lincolnshire way. So it to my mind that's
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basically the same, but not many Yorkshire focal tell you that
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that's the case. Grimsby, did you say?
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Yeah, I think those sounds sort of sound like Yorkshire people
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with special needs, though, you know.
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Sorry, Jim, I don't want to be rude.
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Can I ask you a question about your Doctor Who journey?
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You can. When did you dive in and and how
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did you find it and how much have you covered?
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So I was I would have been the first time I sat down to
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properly watch an episode of Doctor Who would have been when
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Rose came out in 2005. I would have been you.
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Look young. Yeah, I was, I was 15 at the
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time, so in a way, slightly too old for it to have really, you
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know, taken over my life completely.
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Like I didn't grow up at the playground watching it because I
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was pretty much on the verge of leaving school at the point it
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came out that I was about to go to college.
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And then but I would definitely would have been familiar with
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the show beforehand. We'd have had, I'm reasonably
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certain, my first ever. One moment, please.
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Good night, darling. Love you.
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Good night. That's how do you.
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Me can she? I'm so sorry.
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Yeah, when you wake up in the night, you shout for me, not
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Mum, because she's tired. If you wish to watch Partners in
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Crime, come and join us. It will send her off Oh no, you
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said it scares her a little bit, didn't you?
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I'm. So sorry she doesn't know how to
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do this. OK, you shout for me.
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Love you. There.
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You know I don't edit, right? All this will be in.
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Yeah, that's. Fine, she's my you know, my
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son's already got his own podcast.
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This is. Just to let the audience know
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that he actually timed this, you know, he had her waiting outside
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the door. So we all understood that he was
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a responsible parent. Go in and says, yeah, that's a
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great way of letting people know that.
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You say that, but it's my wife that's got the children and
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she's dealing with it, so I've left them to come and talk to
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you so. I love a rebellious child, man.
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I'm not dealing with mum, all right.
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I want to deal with that. Well, no, but the problem we've
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got at the moment is she won't deal with anybody but Mum.
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So, Mum. 'S Oh really?
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Oh, OK, You what? You want to go fucking podcast
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tonight? OK, fine.
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I know well I booked this in before she turned into a
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nightmare so it's not my fault. Where were we, I.
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Can't remember I think I was saying yes.
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So I was familiar with the show before before Rose came out.
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I I think I said to Dylan, we I think the first episode of
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Doctor Who I ever saw would have been curse of the fatal death,
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which as a point I I've got a bit of a soft spot, to be
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honest. I think as a potted history of
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the show, it kind of does everything you need it to, you
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know what I mean? It's it.
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It pretty much covers everything and.
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You should have known all the horrors of Stephen Moffett to
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come then. After that it.
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Has to be said. You know, I'm a bit of a Moffett
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fan. I'm not not.
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Things were going so well. I know.
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Well, nothing. It can't be perfect, you know,
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But it's one of those I've not, I'm not a big rewatcher.
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So like a lot of it. I've only seen them once, like I
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my first the first episode of Matt Smith's series.
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I was it was. It's the only period of the show
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that my wife watched with me. She stayed for Smith, and then
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she buggered off again when he left.
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It's a. Familiar story and.
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I yeah, I don't really understand.
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I mean, I can get, I suppose going Smith to Capaldi is a big,
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it's a big change if you're not familiar with it, but the first
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episode of for the When the 11th Hour went out, I'd been excited
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for it all day and then my, a couple of my friends came round
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not to watch it. They just happened to knock on
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the door about 5 minutes before it started.
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And I said, would you mind just going away for an hour and
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coming back? Lovely to see you fuck off.
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Yeah, I was like, listen, this is a big moment for me and my
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people. If you could just go around the
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corner, like just go find, have a drink and come back in an hour
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because this is you know, pre, you know, I didn't, I didn't, I
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didn't want to record it on Sky so.
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For goodness. Sake.
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Well, exactly. It was very, very important
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moments. Friendships last forever, you
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know, but first transmissions only happen once.
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Exactly right. It's a new Doctor as well.
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It's not even like it was, you know, something shit like later
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on down the line. It was it was a big what?
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A shame it was Matt Smith. You know, I, I mean, dear I, you
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know you're a fan of Matt Smith as.
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Well. All the bad news.
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Even I do, I do like Matt Smith. I think he's fantastic actually.
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But even you have to have to. You have to accept surely that
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the 11th hour is is good. Like oh God I think most of 5 is
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great. Yeah, it all.
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Just went down. It all, I think 4:00 and 5:00 to
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be honest, is is sort of peak for me.
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I think that that that made change over period before Moffy
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got too confident and when Russell was kind of running at
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his best. I think that handover period is
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where it it was the best for me. You've got to remember right
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half what I say. I don't mean it.
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It's always just for elaborate theatrical effects, all right?
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Of course I'll try. To, you know, time when the.
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Doctor is still a dog, all right.
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It's well, listen, I can't remember a lot of it.
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This is I'm not very good at remembering the inflammation.
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You remember Matt Smearf as an old man?
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Well, scabby latex on his face. Throwing out bolts of
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regeneration energy and destroying entire Dalek armies
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in spite. I was like, what is How did we
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get here from the 11th hour? Now it's a it's a strange old
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journey, but then I think it's always been fucking ridiculous
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that so it's not like it's, you know, I think that's one of the
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things I always find very strange when people go off
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certain bits of it. Not, you know, you don't.
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Have one of the prettiest men on television you know there, and
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then you slaver him in all that horrible ugly latex and make him
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look hideous. Why would you do that?
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Only for about half an hour. We like covering you in Latex.
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I just wouldn't do it, you know, joke.
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Well, that's in a way that's a relief.
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Well, OK, so you said Series 4, Yeah.
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And so clearly you're a bit of a fan because I think as we were
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trying to determine the episodes, you suggested these
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two or did I, I can't even remember.
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I think I sent you a list of ones that I would be up for
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doing, or certainly are ones that I was fond of, and you
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responded with saying that nobody had done these two so.
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Somehow. I don't understand how you've
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got that far it it seems. That seems crazy to me.
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Well, I do have a confession. Actually a Partners in Crime was
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done once before. My ex partner and my ex best
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friend both came over and and neither one of them were Doctor
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Who fans and we had a grand old time recording partners in time.
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Unfortunately, the relationship ended and the friendship.
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Ended and I thought, well it will be a bit weird putting this
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out now. Yeah, I guess.
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I suppose under the circumstances, that might be.
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Yeah, should I ever need VAM, it's there.
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Yeah, yeah. That's the, that's the last
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episodes. We're getting Ian Lavine to
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recreate them with AI. Travellers.
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He was Belgian, right? I couldn't.
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You can't understand a word he's saying.
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He's got a sort of heavy French accent, you know?
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No, that's it's not an accent I can place.
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I feel like it's just a very, I don't know, I can.
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Hello, my name is and I'm talking about Catherine Tate in
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Partners in Krab. It was very like that.
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That's. If you could just make more
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sense on that, it would be great.
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I'll. I'll try.
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I can't guarantee anything, but I'll certainly have a go.
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Are you a fan of the 10th Doctor and Donna?
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Do you like the Ark this season, and do you think this is a
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particularly strong or weak year?
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That's three questions. But you look like you can handle
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it. I'll try.
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I I think. Like I say, I'm not I would say
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probably Tennant is my least favorite modern series Doctor.
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Oh boy, I don't. But that's only that's not
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because of anything he's done. I think that's just in
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comparison to all of the others. I think he I just think he is
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the one that I don't feel I want to revisit as often.
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But that said, I think I also think that of Tom Baker.
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So I think, I think I'm sure we'll get on to it.
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But when I when I've you asked before, sorry, you asked me 3
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questions and I'm going to answer a different one that you
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asked me about 5. Minutes ago that's.
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Great, we can come back to it. When you'd asked about how much
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of the show I'd covered. So in about 2000, 2021-2022, one
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of those years, I started in the January watching an episode
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every every dinner time from the very beginning and just sort of
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working my way through the show. So now I've seen it all now and
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I remember feeling Tom Baker was the one where by the time I got
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to the end of it, I was just ready for him to go.
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And everybody else is the one. Everyone else I feel like, you
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know, needed a bit of, you know, that's why I think the Big
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Finish has done such a good job with the other, the later
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Doctors, because you feel like there's more to be said with
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them, whereas with Tom, I think it was, it was done.
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And I think likewise with Tennant, I think he does a
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fantastic job. He's a great doctor, but he's
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the one that when I come back, I, I never think, oh, I really
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fancy watching some David Tennant.
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But when I always enjoy it when I watch it, there's never
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there's no, there's no, there's no I'll feeling, there's no,
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there's no, no ill will towards David Tennant.
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But. He's always he's he's my
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favorite of the new series Doctor.
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So I think this because it just captured me at that time when it
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came back and that's when my love for the new series was at
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its absolute high. I do think I do think like
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batting average wise, he probably had the strongest
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collection of stories. There's some weak ones in there.
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But in terms of absolute bangers, I think he did pretty
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well actually, especially the latter half of all of his
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seasons, 2-3 and four, I think, Yeah, really, really great stuff
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there. I think that's reasonable.
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I think at my peak is Eccleston, but obviously that's such a
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contained run. No.
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Wonderful. Like it's it's hard for him to
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really, I don't think there are any Duffers in in series one at
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all, to be honest. And I think that's but that's
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like I say, it's like ATV movie. It's one contained outing.
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That said the TV out the TV movie is not perfect by any
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stretch of the imagination. But sorry I I feel like.
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It's a guilty pleasure, but yeah.
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It is, yeah. I'm getting distracted but.
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Oh, never mind. Never mind the audience.
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Let's just talk. Come on.
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Yeah. I feel like I can't remember
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what the question was you asked me.
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Was it? A story I asked you about David
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Tennant and Catherine Tate. Do you like?
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Well, I mean, I thought you were going to say, but I really love
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Tennant this year because he's paired with Catherine Tate.
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But that's putting words in your mouth, no?
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No, to be fair, I think that probably was where I was headed.
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I think people. Do think that Don't.
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They yeah, I think I would have been one of those people.
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I'm not a fan of Catherine Tate's comedy particularly, so I
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enjoyed it well enough in Runaway Bride.
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She's not. She's not for me.
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The Catherine Tate show wasn't for me.
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The sketch stuff that she did wasn't really my bag.
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Would it surprise you to hear that?
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Oh, I absolutely loved it. There's a couple of bits that I
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enjoyed, but I think largely I it was, it was just one of those
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sketch shows that didn't, didn't, just didn't I think.
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Comedy is so, so personal to each person.
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Absolutely, yeah, I think, And it's one of those I always feel
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very comedy is probably my other big thing that I like to nerd
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out about. And so that's one of those
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things where when there's when there's something I don't
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particularly get or enjoy, it really irritates me.
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So I'm just like, I don't, I find myself very frustrated by
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it. But so I was one of those people
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that when she was cast as a full series companion, I was a bit
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like, really. But within 30 seconds, she's is
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just the perfect companion. She's exactly what what the
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series needed at the time. And she's exactly the sort of,
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she's the sort of companion I was really hoping Varadaseta was
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going to be because because she started out so strongly in that
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regard, I felt anyway that like, that sort of doesn't take any
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shit. She's just going to, you know,
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she's just going to not put up with the Doctor's nonsense.
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And Donna was a really, really great example of that.
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And if. Faraday had had a turn left or
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something like that. She would have fucking killed
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it. Yeah, she would have been
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amazing, but she just never got it, did she?
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It was so frustrating. It was so frustrating because it
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was such a strong start. We'll give the big episode this
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year to Millie, who had a load of great episodes last year.
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OK, very bad. Oh, sorry, we've gone into
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another era again. Oh yeah, we'll, we'll sorry.
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This this is going to happen a lot.
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The the idea the chances of me staying on subject are have you?
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Heard this podcast, nothing ever stays focused.
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Around here. Well, that's why it's one of the
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reasons I felt I might fit in, you know?
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You. Talk about whatever you want.
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All right, So David Catherine Tate the year, then what?
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How? What do you think before the
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year? Outstanding.
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I'm going to just I'm going to look at the back of me DVD now
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just to remember the Yeah, again, this is the one.
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This is actually, this is the series that I've watched most
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with my son as well. I think it's because I've been
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trying to get him into the show for years.
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Some would say indoctrinating. I don't think that's fair.
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I, I think, I think brainwashing is too strong a term.
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I think ultimately children need a bit of Doctor Who in their
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lives and I'm happy to be the one to provide it, you said.
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Garma fun that usually works. You know, just like you will
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watch it. Yeah, Yeah.
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Well, it's taken. It's taken a while.
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It's taken a while, but we've got there in the end.
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We sat through the well earlier in the year and that was that
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was a, that was a he did very well, no pun intended, if.
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That's the what this is, the gear.
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Is there a particular episode he last watching this year or that
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you particularly enjoyed? From from the the series that's
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just gone. From No.
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From 4:00. Oh, from 4.
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I'm trying to think he really enjoyed.
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Well, he felt if I'm going through it, what have we
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watched? He liked Voyage of the Damned,
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if we're including that. Partners in Crime, he enjoyed
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Fighters of Pompeii enjoyed. We've not seen Planet of the
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Ood, Sontaran Stratagem and Poison Sky, he said.
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Yeah, I thought that was a shame because I really like that one.
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I. Mean I do, it's sort of.
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Fair out of the mouth of babe, so I think we should defer to
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him there. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
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And then Unicorn, the lost doctor's daughter.
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Both, both great. I've not I'm not doing midnight
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with him yet because I would still like him to sleep
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sometimes. Christ.
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But it's funny, isn't it? Because like, you know at the
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time it went out, there will have been children his aid
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watching. But like, because you know, you
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wouldn't have a, you wouldn't have a a notion, and you
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wouldn't have been able to pause it like you can now, like it
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would have been. Be fair though, you know there
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were children his age watching things like little zans getting
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crushed and attacking the side men and that back in the day
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people being machine gunned down in slow motion and.
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Genesis of the Daleks. I think you know Doctor Who's
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made kids Hardy. Yeah, psychopaths.
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One or the other. One of the two, yeah.
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No, your kid will probably go one or two ways.
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Yeah, some of the some of the drawings he's done I suspect
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actually might be a bit too late.
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But you're not in them. I don't want to turn on a true
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crime. 1 You know Joe, and here you know child murdered his
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parents. No, he didn't.
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He did a one of Peppa Pig on fire the other day and it was
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hard not to be like, yeah, that's fine.
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I think that's. Pig on fire.
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Oh yeah, I don't, I, I don't. It may not have come into your,
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your sort of purview that it's, I think it's one of those, you
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know, those rhymes that kind of go around every school.
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And there's always, I'm trying to think like, you know, the
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happy birthday to you, you, you went to the zoo, all that sort
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of thing. And that every school somehow
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knows, even though there's been no cross contamination.
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And the one that I think he has at the moment is pear per pig.
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Tripped on a wire, fell into a fire.
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Oh, OK, that music, doesn't it haunt you?
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Blood. Yeah, because the episodes are
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so short. My knees just watched it on a
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loop. I was like, I can't do it.
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And now I know how my mum felt about the Doctor Who theme tune.
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Yeah, now it's a It's not as bad as it could because my
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daughter's not a huge pepper thing at the moment.
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She's watching K pop Demon Hunters on on repeat and I mean
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the, you know, the soundtrack to that is absolute banger.
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After the banger demon hunters. That sounds amazing.
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It's fucking brilliant, I'm not going to lie.
19:05
Watching this shit. We could be watching that
19:07
tonight. I'm happy, I'll be happy.
19:09
I'd be happy to go on and do K pop.
19:10
Coming soon, the K Pop Demon Hunters podcast commentaries.
19:14
It's it's, it's outstanding banger after the banger.
19:17
I think you wouldn't want to watch it without the sound on.
19:18
Do you know what I mean? That would be the trick that.
19:20
Would be a problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:21
I do love a bit of K pop, you know?
19:22
Yeah, I think this is. I've tried to, I've tried to.
19:25
It's not something that I know an awful lot about, but I've
19:27
tried to introduce it and it hasn't really worked because
19:31
they're just like now, this isn't this isn't from the film,
19:33
so you can fuck off actually does.
19:37
Oh, right, well. What we're watching again today,
19:40
I've totally forgotten. Partners in Crime.
19:43
Partners in crime. Yeah, sorry.
19:44
One that is the one I. Have a confession to make about
19:48
Rusty Davis season openers. I absolutely fucking adore them
19:53
until RTD 2 and then I just feel as if he doesn't capture that
19:58
lightning in the same way. But we may cover one of those
20:01
later, which you love and I don't.
20:03
So that'll be a really interesting, but I think at this
20:05
point he's just perfected the jolly adventure, introduce the
20:11
companion and just a whack of heart in the season openers in
20:18
RCD 1. He did it in Rose, he did it in
20:20
New Earth, maybe less so. He certainly did it in Smith and
20:23
Jones. That's a great adventure, that
20:25
and then here as well, you know it is.
20:27
It is just a bit of fluff. Technically it's about people
20:31
turning into, you know, fat balls that will run around
20:34
going. But fat me.
20:37
There's some heart in this, isn't there?
20:39
There's some real emotion in this.
20:41
Yeah, I mean, there's nothing to like.
20:45
You say it, It's not it's not the deepest story, but then none
20:49
of the best ones are, really. I think you're right.
20:50
He he, he just he, he nails that tone especially like you say,
20:54
he's, he's firing on all cylinders at this point.
20:56
And I think this is the bit where he just kind of he really
20:59
knows what he's doing. Like it's hard to imagine that
21:01
he didn't just sort of, I feel like he could have just spat
21:04
this out in the morning and without even really thinking
21:05
about it because he's just, he's just got it.
21:08
He just knows what he's doing. Well, and he's gone for
21:10
something, hasn't he? He's gone for the fat loss
21:12
industry. And so you can get a ton of
21:15
jokes about that, but you also make some great comments about
21:17
it as well. The bit at the end, just before
21:19
that Jacqueline King's friend goes, Oh my God, Leo, look at my
21:24
chins. I look amazing.
21:26
And then she just goes and I've been eating like normal, which
21:29
is what we all want when we're trying to lose weight.
21:31
We want to eat the shit and we want to be thin.
21:34
Yeah, exactly. He was basically predicting
21:36
Ozempic. Are we sure that people who are
21:38
on the Ozempic stuff now, are they not?
21:40
Are they definitely not having little people walking out of
21:42
them? Because I know two people, all
21:45
right? They're trying.
21:46
I've lost 2 stone recently, you know, Joe, And I've done that
21:48
through doing a lot of walking up the hills where I live and
21:53
not eating a lot. And I've got two friends that
21:55
I've lost just a little bit more than me.
21:56
But they've been on that drug and they haven't moved off their
21:59
couches. I'm just saying this now, right?
22:02
That's the lazy. Approach.
22:06
You get you get a better get a better legs doing doing it the
22:09
proper way. They're pretty amazing,
22:11
actually. You can't.
22:12
I'll get him out by the end of the episode.
22:15
I look forward to. It should we go and watch this
22:18
thing and see just how jolly it turns out to be.
22:23
Would you do me a favour please? Of course.
22:25
So lovely to have you. Would you count us in for the
22:27
first time? Yeah.
22:28
Do we go backwards or forwards? Yeah, charm in your hands.
22:32
Fair enough. We'll go 123 and go.
22:36
We're in. Oh God.
22:37
Oh look, did you hear the sound? Then I had the sound on.
22:40
That is so amateurish of me. I found an episode.
22:42
In. Do you like this theme tune?
22:46
Yeah. I mean, this is the, it's the LG
22:48
as far as I'm concerned. It's not, it's not.
22:52
See, this is the thing. I'm not very good with the the
22:56
progression of these things, but this is pretty much the same as
22:58
they've you've been using for the last three, Four Seasons,
23:00
isn't it? It's not, it's.
23:00
Just got a bit of piano in there to give it, yeah, but that's
23:03
about it. Yeah, yeah.
23:04
The little you know, the little string bits that did it did it
23:07
did it did it's. Just I know we've disagreed a
23:10
lot. Can we least agree that Peter
23:11
Capaldi thing is the worst? That sort of scratchy cat.
23:14
Yeah, I think so. I've been there.
23:17
Yeah, I've been to. I've got a real fondness at the
23:19
moment for the Jodie What? I thought my son's been
23:21
listening to Vampire Weekend in the car on repeat and the The
23:26
Whitaker one's fantastic it. Wasn't it fun?
23:28
Vampire Weekend it. Was great fun.
23:30
Yeah, fantastic. Boy, oh, what's going on here
23:32
now? Donna Noble from The Runaway
23:34
Bride. What's she doing back in the
23:35
show? I know it's sorry.
23:37
We will at some point. We all mentioned the episodes
23:39
that we're supposed to refer into.
23:40
Yeah. We're annoyed here though.
23:42
So do you like all of this? One, the cross cutting of the
23:46
Doctor and Donna and two the the Romans joke of they almost meet
23:51
each other but never do. Yeah, I mean, it's one, it's one
23:53
of the best jokes in it just works every time, doesn't it?
23:57
I've never been disappointed by this.
23:58
This as a as a gag as a bit I think.
24:02
The most farcical bit is where they're in the telemarketing
24:05
office and they both keep putting their heads up and down
24:07
all the time. His beauty is so well directed
24:09
as well. Like again, I'm not a big, I'm
24:11
not a big understander of how telly is made and all that
24:16
stuff, but I just think every, especially all the fast stuff,
24:20
it's just so well put together. Like it just makes perfect
24:23
sense. RTD said.
24:25
I think if it's in DWM or the Writer's Tale, he said that this
24:29
episode had the single most amount of shots and setups that
24:33
they. Had to do.
24:34
And he goes and you think that would be one of the big hits,
24:37
not the season opener, but they just wanted it to have energy,
24:40
you know, So it's sort of like cut, cut, cut, cut, cut all the
24:42
time. And you know, you said you you
24:45
are a fan of comedy. You have got to execute it
24:48
perfectly for the. Jokes to land.
24:51
Yeah, it's it really shows what he knows about sort of putting
24:54
this sort of thing together. I'm really sorry.
24:56
I'm taking my braces off because the IT keeps.
24:58
Boy oh boy, is it hot in here. Do you want some music?
25:02
It's not really. It's not really stuffy music, is
25:07
it? But all.
25:08
Right, OK. But I think it's scratching on
25:10
me chair and I'm concerned that it's going to come through.
25:13
Don't you worry, the very noises I'll put out on this thing,
25:17
I'll. Be very distracted, be very
25:18
distracting. You sound like I'm trying to
25:19
remix my own spine. So.
25:23
What do you oh, what do you think of fabulous?
25:26
Oh, I want to call her Raquel from Corrie, but what's her
25:29
name? Do you know what?
25:31
I'm terrible. Sarah Lancaster.
25:32
That's it, Yes. Is it is it is it the same lady
25:35
from Happy Valley? That's that's her?
25:37
Yeah, yeah, It's so diverse. Yeah, well, I can't I can't
25:41
place I can't place it. Whenever I see you pictures of
25:43
her in Happy Valley, I always think is it definitely the same
25:45
person? I always need to check.
25:47
But yeah, no, she's she's fantastic.
25:48
She's so arch, so camp. It's just.
25:50
Just like, I suppose she's a bit above, she's a lot above, but
25:53
she's still playing it kind of straight.
25:55
Yeah, like, it's just it, it feels very classic.
25:59
Who you could have had, you know, she's like, she's like the
26:01
ranny. Yes, you are.
26:02
Oh yeah, the best Ronnie. I write Kate.
26:04
Omar. Yeah, of course.
26:05
Yeah, obviously. I think if if this episode had
26:08
turned up in attitude 2, she would have been the Ronnie.
26:10
But she's she. Probably would have.
26:12
And he gives her great lines as well.
26:14
What? What sort of country do you
26:16
think this is? Oh, it's a beautifully fat
26:19
country. Yeah, no, she's, she's
26:22
delightful. She's what's?
26:23
Going on here Doctor Who flirting with this girl.
26:26
I know he obviously he knows, doesn't he?
26:27
He knows, he knows he's a good looking boy, like Shooty getting
26:30
away with, you know, with the, you know, and how do I know how
26:34
I look? That was that was tenant shtick
26:36
before. It was before it was shooting.
26:38
I can imagine you as Doctor Who, you know, Joe, you'd be seducing
26:40
all the ladies, wouldn't you? I don't know about that.
26:43
I reckon so. Oh.
26:44
Look at this now, popping up and down the divide of.
26:48
It's so. Have you ever done this?
26:50
You ever done any marketing? I did it for like.
26:53
Six months and then somehow they promoted me to head of the team.
26:58
I don't know how because I was so bad at it and.
27:01
Fuck me, it's soulless work. Now I've not, I've my wife's
27:04
done it a couple of times. I've known plenty of people who
27:06
have. I've never had the pleasure.
27:09
I've I'm absolutely useless on the phone.
27:11
I've there's a there's a story that people like to tell about
27:13
me at work. About the time that I rang a
27:14
patient to try and arrange an appointment, had to leave a
27:17
voicemail and finish the voicemail by going oh God
27:23
because. What's the news?
27:24
Was it your husband's dead? Oh God.
27:26
I was just trying to ring them to rearrange an appointment and
27:28
then it just, it went. So it went so badly downhill.
27:31
Like I just was like, Oh no. And then hung up and then I had
27:34
to leave a second message. It was awful, all right?
27:38
I started laughing at a lady because she sounded like a robot
27:40
once. You go to pick up a phone and
27:42
they all go no. It's it's yeah, it's a well
27:46
known thing. It's not.
27:48
It's not good. Joe, look at his smile.
27:51
I mean, he is charisma Incarnate David Tennant, isn't he?
27:55
Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, he's just like,
27:58
well, I think I said to you on the messages we were sending
27:59
before that he's got that oral fixation.
28:01
He loves doing anything with his mouth, doesn't he?
28:03
Can't. He's got police, yeah.
28:07
Oh hang on a minute, it's that psychopath from baby reindeer.
28:10
Yeah, I was gonna say, like I say, I think she's, she's a way
28:12
out stalking. That's where she's going now.
28:14
Yeah, I mean, I think her. Career was sort of like slowly
28:17
in the ascendancy. She wasn't quite there yet.
28:19
That's why she's doing bit parts in Doctor Who.
28:21
No, but she's the elder. She's fantastic.
28:23
She's I can never remember her name either.
28:26
I've heard people criticised that this man here, I don't know
28:30
what the actor's name is. I think he's done some comedy
28:33
that why on earth is he taking fat pills because he's so thin?
28:36
Please do not think the body dysmorphia is.
28:40
Only. For overweight people.
28:42
No, that's I've spent my entire teenage years thinking I was fat
28:47
and now I am fat and now I. Look at you, you are beautiful
28:51
figure of a man. But a shoulder's upwards, Joe
28:56
Absolutely fantastic. But but lower down, I'm like a
28:58
frog sort of dangling. You know when you hold it and it
29:00
just you're like a robot. I know the feeling, yeah.
29:02
When you get up in the morning and yeah, yeah.
29:04
Oh boy. But I think you're right, it's
29:08
definitely not. It wouldn't be the reserve of of
29:11
bigger people, would it? I think.
29:13
No, I was always surprised whenever I went to those hideous
29:16
Weight Watchers classes. You know, I've tried every diet
29:19
me over the years. Yeah, when they go round and
29:21
give you a bag of sugar and go, go on.
29:22
How fat? Yeah, that's how much you've
29:24
lost this week. They're very patched.
29:26
There's loads of slim people there.
29:27
It's it's. Yeah, well, we, we, me and my
29:30
wife did Slimming World a while ago.
29:31
Sorry, this isn't really a Doctor Who podcast anymore, is
29:33
it? But no.
29:34
But me and my wife did Slimming World before we got married and
29:36
the the lady there constantly was playing us off against each
29:39
other. Like I think.
29:40
No, Yeah, it was. It was a.
29:42
It was done better than you this week.
29:44
Pretty. Much like it was exactly like
29:45
that. So we had to go somewhere else.
29:47
Was she? A bit like Matt.
29:48
Lucas in the Little Britain sketch.
29:50
She was exactly, exactly like that.
29:51
That was it was a very relatable thing.
29:53
On the table, scoffing a muffin. Yeah, I've always wondered
29:57
actually, just to go to actually bring it back to the episode, if
30:00
obviously he's noticed about the burglar alarm going off and the
30:03
cat flap and stuff, where are the rest of them getting out?
30:06
Well, we see one going out the window in a minute.
30:09
Yeah, but like if you, you know, if you're, if you've got all
30:11
your windows locked, no burglar. Like how are they?
30:13
Do you know what I mean? Are they just hiding around it?
30:16
Well. I'm not really bothered about
30:18
plot holes, but I always wondered.
30:19
Please don't. Be that fan.
30:20
Come on. Such a fun idea, I mean.
30:23
Yes, you are, absolutely. Right, but then the alternative
30:26
is we don't have the quirky idea of people turning into little
30:30
fat balls that walk away and. Let's be honest, it's one of the
30:33
most joyous ideas the new series ever gave us.
30:36
It's wonderful, I think. It is, it's beautiful and I
30:39
just, I, I would have one as a pet.
30:41
Stupid Joe, isn't it? I'd I'd have one as a pet.
30:45
I think I'd be disappointed that they were leaving.
30:47
Should never have a toy, I'd pose.
30:49
I did, yeah. I had the the squeezy sort of.
30:51
It was like a, was it like a stress ball type thing and it
30:54
was full of like stuff for the phone.
30:55
Did it go dirty like mine? Mine would be sort of black the
30:58
more I squeezed it. Yeah, it burst mine.
31:01
It was What, wasn't it? You're doing with it.
31:04
It's best not to say but the. This isn't a safe space for that
31:08
sort of. Thing, but it was very, very
31:10
white, blue G kind of explosion. It was not.
31:13
Oh. Really.
31:14
You. Should have filmed it into slow
31:16
motion. And then it burst.
31:18
You should have done. Oh boy.
31:21
This is quite horrific though, what happens to Stacey?
31:24
Like, it's kind of it's that fine line that Doctor does
31:26
between being silly and cute and absolutely horrific because
31:31
she's turned into a load of fat people.
31:34
There's nothing left of her. Yeah, and the effect is great.
31:37
And I think she just, she's, she plays it so well.
31:40
But yeah, like, it is, it's terrifying.
31:42
I think I said to you before that we it really freaked my son
31:45
out the first time I thought in my head, I think when I was
31:48
trying to get him into the show, this would be a perfect.
31:50
Like, it's just that little thing.
31:52
They're not scary monsters. They're just silly, cute little
31:55
thingies. And then we had to turn it off
31:57
at pretty much the exact moment where she melts into melts into
32:01
added pose. I think she was just, he was
32:03
just like she. Felt a belter, doesn't she?
32:06
She really screams and then the effect where they all just.
32:09
Explode out of her. Yeah, yeah.
32:11
No, it's great. Are you horrified by her turning
32:15
into fat or those weird frames up her stairs that are
32:18
completely empty? I don't think I've ever noticed
32:22
that before. It's a statement.
32:24
Oh, is it? Yeah, No, it's it's a curious
32:25
choice. Maybe it's maybe she's intending
32:29
to fill them with future where it's like a thing of you know,
32:31
she'll she'll put them together as she as she.
32:35
Goes on and has got no life. She's got nothing to put in her
32:38
picture frame for Stacy and now she literally has no life.
32:42
No, I think we don't. I, I feel pleased for the ad
32:45
opposed that they have no concept of what's happened
32:48
because I'd be, I'd be sad for them if they were upset, you
32:50
know, if I mean, if they had a sense of guilt.
32:53
That's the. Idea of these sort of, you know,
32:55
benign monsters there's. Just there's just nothing bad
32:59
about them at all, just that they've come from people, that's
33:02
it. Yeah, well, I think there's a
33:03
there's a is it for magazine did a comic strip with some like the
33:11
King and Queen Adipose, but it was like back at the palace.
33:14
And they were yeah. And it was they basically just
33:17
looked like big ones, but with a crown on.
33:18
It was very, it was very cute. I'll have to seek that one out
33:23
that. Sounds great.
33:24
I've not read it for ages, but I yeah it's good fun.
33:28
This is wonderful. We're doing this now on the
33:30
streets. That what we were doing in the
33:32
office. Donna's going up one St. the
33:34
Doctor's going up another, so. They don't meet do that and and
33:38
obviously that's a great comic set piece when they eventually
33:41
do see each other. Yeah, I think the way he
33:44
structured that at the 1st 15 minutes and then the pay off
33:48
being that what that probably the best scene in the episode.
33:50
Oh for sure. It it it does go to show though.
33:53
Russell does have great comedy chops when he wants.
33:56
To he really knows what he's doing when it comes to that
33:58
stuff and I don't really know what happened recently, but the
34:01
and like I say, I think I am largely positive on the newer
34:04
stuff, but I do think that. When the Rani was eating, you
34:07
know, that was quite amusing. I I really enjoyed that.
34:09
I thought it was really funny. I think it's just it.
34:12
I definitely think it's helped though, watching it.
34:15
I think it's lovely to watch it with new eyes because he's
34:17
really enjoyed the 7th Doctor stuff as well.
34:18
I don't just intend to keep talking about my lab the whole
34:21
time, but it's just been such a formative thing watching it
34:25
together recently. Well, now I get it.
34:26
Fraser Gregory, his son, started asking to watch Doctor Who now
34:30
and it was a watershed moment in his house, but he was trying to
34:33
force feed him it before. It's a real moment when they
34:35
start saying can I watch Doctor Who please?
34:37
The the the the moment for me that really cemented it as one
34:41
of the best. It was like like a full on like
34:43
have I wished on a star. What's happened here was when he
34:46
asked me if we could watch the animated macro terror, and I was
34:49
like, Christ, It was like, yes, of course you.
34:51
Realise he was indeed. Then there's.
34:53
No going back from that really. No, we've, we've, I think he has
34:57
watched two of the sidemen, but largely we've watched just the
34:59
animated 2nd Doctor stuff. But.
35:01
Have you seen any of it before? Because that music is so great.
35:04
Well, that's the, that's the one I use for my, the theme tune for
35:08
my podcast. That's the I've.
35:11
I've nicked everything from that for that.
35:15
Copyright be damned. You know the amount I use on
35:18
this. Oh well.
35:19
Can we please talk about this scene?
35:21
Absolutely, because this is my relationship with my mother.
35:24
I'm telling you now, sitting there at the table whilst my mum
35:27
goes round and round and going well.
35:28
You're never going to do anything if you don't get a good
35:30
job or find a great man or I mean, this is so relatable, this
35:34
stuff. Oh yeah, it really is.
35:36
And I think she was. Jacqueline King was one of the
35:40
sort of she her coming back in Star Beast I think was one of
35:44
the best sort of comebacks as well that we had for for any
35:48
character. But like because she's so
35:50
hateable in this. Like, and have you met her?
35:54
She's so nice. She's the most humbling.
35:57
Woman in real life like. So lovely.
35:59
So it's a hell of a performance because you're right, she's
36:02
monstrous. Yeah, no, she's a, she's a very
36:04
believable. Like, I feel like, yeah, I feel
36:06
like he's got a thing about mum, doesn't he, Russell?
36:09
He definitely doesn't. He's got a thing about mums who
36:11
will kick the shit out of you. There's a great quote that he
36:14
says about Sylvia and Donna in the writers town where he goes.
36:19
It's like so many mother, daughters, relationships that I
36:21
know where if they could only learn because they're formidable
36:25
women, if they can only learn to work together, they would be
36:29
unstoppable. But they just can't do it
36:32
because they're mother and daughter.
36:34
And it's kind of nice in the Starbeast actually, 4 rows.
36:38
They have figured out how to work together.
36:40
It's a really nice pay off. Yeah, no, it's, it's lovely that
36:43
we got the the chance to have that come back because she's so,
36:46
she's so unpleasant. She's so unpleasant in this.
36:49
Burner crippings. I know it, it just melts my
36:52
heart every time. It's just such a beautiful a
36:55
beautiful. Soul a bit later on where the
36:58
spaceship goes past him and he's got his back to it.
37:01
Makes me die every time I see it.
37:03
So this is, this is the bit where they've sort of got him in
37:06
his little hat because we were trying to establish that he was
37:08
the bloke that they talked to in Voyage of the Damned.
37:10
Is that right? Because they've not really
37:12
established he's not been in, he wasn't in Runaway Bride, was he?
37:15
And then they just kind of went, fuck it, let's just make him my
37:17
granddad. He's just.
37:20
This is just beautiful. Character writing.
37:22
Yeah. The bit where he goes about, you
37:24
know, where's that girl that when we told her she couldn't go
37:27
out and she got on a bust of strength client and fuck the
37:30
rest of you, you know? It's wonderful.
37:33
Like I totally buy, I believe all the relationships.
37:36
He's gorgeous. Like, yeah, they just.
37:38
It's such a believable family. And I think she plays it.
37:42
Catherine Tate just plays it so real as well.
37:43
Like she's just. I think that's one of the things
37:47
with RTD 1 was just everybody felt like somebody you knew and
37:50
even if you didn't like them, I think I know I've a lot of
37:52
people have said about Camille Kaduri being sort of like was
37:56
my. Mum, Joe.
37:57
Yeah, I've met plenty of people who said if you knew her in real
38:00
life, you might, you might not get on.
38:01
But as a character, she's utterly brilliant and she's, you
38:06
know, that bit. In Love and Monsters.
38:08
You know where she flashes her knickers to Elton in the Yeah,
38:11
my mum used to do that with a bloody dildo.
38:13
People will come round the house and she'd go look at the girl.
38:16
From that I'll be like, mother, please.
38:18
Is it any wonder I'll turn down like this?
38:20
No, no, I'm learning a lot. It's it's all starting to click
38:23
into place now. She was an absolute terror.
38:26
Honestly, I'll miss her dearly. Oh.
38:29
Boy, but yeah, I just, I just, I can stop and just hang with
38:34
these characters. Like it isn't always the way in
38:36
the new series because there are lots of companions I just don't
38:39
have a lot of time for. But even if nothing's happening
38:42
and we just hang with Wilf and Donna and Sylvia, I think it's
38:46
usually always gold. Yeah, no, absolutely.
38:49
Flying on the wall in their house would be absolutely fine.
38:51
Like, whereas I don't want to hang out with Clara.
38:54
So you. Want to do other things to her
38:57
but you don't want to hang out with?
38:59
Her yeah, don't, don't speak afterwards, but just.
39:05
Although we do forget to be the flaw on the wall in Turn Left
39:08
and we you know when the whole world goes to hell and it's
39:10
deeply uncomfortable. That's true.
39:12
That is true. But now I love how long this
39:16
scene goes on for as well. Like I know that a lot of people
39:18
have said with the newer stuff, the pacing is so erratic and I
39:23
just feel like it's this has just got time to breathe.
39:25
Like we can just spend, like you say, we can hang out with these
39:27
characters on the top of this hill and it could come longer.
39:31
It is, you know, refiguring Donna to be a companion for a
39:36
full series. I think you need space to this
39:39
bit where he's in the TARDIS on his own.
39:41
He's got no one to talk to. He's doing all the exposition,
39:44
then realizes. Now that's interesting because I
39:47
don't know where. Oh, you will have.
39:49
Did you have the universe bit at the beginning?
39:51
Because mine didn't. No, no, am IA bit ahead of you
39:54
then. You might be, yeah.
39:56
Are you still on the hill? I've just left the hill.
39:58
Oh, OK, I'm going to go back 10 seconds.
40:00
There we go. Are you in the TARDIS now?
40:02
I'm in the TARDIS, He's he's looking, got a lovely shot of
40:04
the door. Yeah, it pans right back.
40:07
I think we're about in the same place now.
40:09
Yeah, it just makes it look so massive and empty and crap.
40:12
Know. About the conversation I had
40:14
with Dylan Reece about you. Oh God.
40:16
Yeah, I said Dylan. I said, you know, looking all my
40:20
life for this Yorkshireman who come on to hamster a blunt pen
40:23
knife, and when you find that person you just shout Dylan
40:27
Rees, all right, just like Donna said in that scene.
40:30
And look, here we are. Well, you know, some people
40:35
would call it fate. I don't know that I'd be one of
40:38
those people, but I'd, I'd like to, you know, I think we all end
40:41
up where we're supposed to be in the end.
40:42
It's a. Bit like, you know, towards the
40:44
end of the season where they say, yeah, it's fate that the
40:46
Doctor and Donna keep meeting. You know, I don't know where
40:49
we're going to end up, Joe, but I can't wait to find out.
40:52
I just hope one of us doesn't have our memories arranged for
40:55
20 years, that's all. No, there's a few bits I could
40:58
do. We're getting rid of actually.
40:59
But the But if we wanted to make it very like the episode, we
41:04
could have just spent the first sort of 2025 minutes of the
41:07
episodes not speaking to each other and just doing separate
41:10
things. Then.
41:12
Bumping into each other later on.
41:14
But I think we've we've, we've squandered that opportunity.
41:16
They're about to meet now, aren't they?
41:18
So. Oh, even this bit in a minute
41:20
where she's in the loo and we've been introduced to Penny at the
41:24
start, so we know there's a reporter that is looking into
41:28
things that adipose industry and then the guards start punching.
41:31
In all the Doors, you're like, oh, Donna, sorry, love.
41:33
That's it. You're out of this episode now.
41:35
And then, of course, there's Penny there in the toilet.
41:37
No, it's gorgeous. It's so well done.
41:39
I think you're ahead of me again.
41:40
Are you potentially? I've just seen the.
41:42
I'm just sort of going out into the corridor now with David
41:45
Tennant. Oh, I'm in the lift with
41:46
Catherine Tate. Am I still ahead?
41:48
I don't know where you are now, maybe I think.
41:49
So rare for me to be ahead of anyone.
41:51
I'm in the loo. She's coming out of the loo.
41:55
No, I'll go back 10 seconds again.
41:57
Right. Are you in the loo?
41:58
I am, yeah. She's.
41:59
What are you? Doing in there.
42:01
She's just stretching her neck. That's it, right?
42:03
We're in the same place. She's she's come out, she's come
42:06
out for a little look. We got out of sync twice in a
42:09
couple of minutes, but here you go Timey.
42:11
Why me? I know this is this is all
42:14
probably still my fat's fault. Oh, where are you?
42:16
I'm in church. What you doing there?
42:20
Praying. Yeah, Oh my God, she's just
42:24
fantastic. Oh, and this is what my mum
42:26
would say to my uncle. Go on, get to the allotment, you
42:29
know, get out of my hair. It's so real.
42:32
Like Russell has been around strong.
42:34
Women all his life, hasn't he? Clearly.
42:37
And clearly also men who have retired and not know what the
42:40
fuck to do with themselves. That's all of ours, isn't it?
42:43
Like. Yeah, you, I think people, yeah,
42:46
they end up being either one, one of those sorts of people who
42:49
doesn't know what to do with themselves or finds themselves
42:52
never like wondering how they ever have time to be at work.
42:55
I can't help but confess this, but you see that guard on the
42:57
left there? The ball one on the left?
43:00
Yeah. With sort of the big machine gun
43:02
in his hand. Yeah.
43:03
Ohh. The thoughts I'm having right
43:05
now. You know something about an
43:06
armed man. Yeah, yeah, it's very, very,
43:09
it's a very Russian looking black I.
43:11
Thought I learned, you know, you'll, you'll discover the sort
43:13
of things I'll like in blokes the more we do this and I shall
43:15
learn the things you like in ladies, you know, get an
43:18
education about each. Other well, you know, I go go a
43:21
bit of both ways, so you know. Is that right?
43:23
Well, there's hope for as yet, then.
43:25
Isn't. It oh, sorry, you're married
43:26
with children. Good grief.
43:28
Just so, just so in seeds, you know.
43:29
She ain't listening to this, is she?
43:31
No, I doubt it. He didn't mean it.
43:33
All right? Oh, boy.
43:37
I knew this was going to be fun. Oh.
43:39
What's happening now? Oh, are you getting exterior
43:41
building? Literally just now, Yes.
43:44
Oh. Thank goodness for that.
43:45
We're still. In the same.
43:46
Oh, this whole sequence with the cradle, right.
43:49
That must have cost a bloody fortune.
43:50
Yeah, that's proper. That's proper.
43:52
That's oh, we'd have been talking about Disney money,
43:54
weren't we? If we're.
43:56
Wow, where is it? Although I did hear Russell
43:59
saying that. You know the sequence where
44:02
Sylvia is literally in the kitchen banging on at Donna and
44:06
it keeps fading to different parts?
44:07
Yeah, that cost a fortune. Because I have to film.
44:10
Do so many setups for that to make it work.
44:13
Yeah, No, I can, I can imagine. To be fair.
44:15
It's that's the thing. I that's the thing.
44:17
I always am very. One of the things I like about
44:21
Doctor Who fund them is just the the sheer amount of stuff you
44:23
sort of pick up about Tele production and there's still
44:25
absolutely loads I don't understand I.
44:27
Pretend I know about it, but really I'm ignorant.
44:30
Well, that's, well then you're passing that on to me because
44:33
I've got no idea at all. And I just listened to you guys
44:35
going. I'm so sorry.
44:36
What Knowledgeable, interesting chaps.
44:38
I mean, occasionally our people are Dylan REIT on, you know,
44:40
they're working TV, but unfortunately his critical
44:43
opinions are so bad that it renders that information
44:46
irrelevant. And here we go.
44:49
The spark of life holding up the capsule.
44:51
Yeah. And then she pulls the out.
44:53
Of the drawer and she. Yeah, like it's like holding up
44:57
a kitten by its neck and going here we go.
45:00
Yeah, oh man. It's now as a comedy fan, yeah.
45:04
How does this seem fair, you know?
45:06
This is this is never bad, Is it really?
45:09
Like it's just such a it's just perfect.
45:13
Like there's nothing wrong with this at all.
45:15
Like I. Believe they had libbed it.
45:18
I don't know if I believe that, but I can.
45:20
I can, I can believe it. I can believe it with Catherine
45:22
Tate. I suppose they've got that.
45:23
They've got that instant chemistry, haven't they?
45:26
Now, do you know what I think we've.
45:27
I don't want to spend the whole time but she's only.
45:30
Just think again. She's only just got the adipose
45:32
out of the draw for me. Yeah.
45:33
Oh no, for me too, don't worry. Oh, OK, that's fine.
45:36
We're we're sort of in the same place, don't worry.
45:39
We're getting there, We're getting there.
45:41
I mean. I have heard people say, you
45:44
know. Murray Murray's.
45:45
Comedy, music, especially in scenes like this, it's all a bit
45:48
mannered, but I don't care. It's.
45:51
Now I, it was one of those the Murray Gold criticism again,
45:54
because I've only got into sort of the wider fund and more
45:57
recently I never knew that people didn't like his music.
46:01
And I can sort of see it going back and knowing that people
46:04
feel that way. I can kind of see it, but.
46:06
Mad people though, don't worry about those.
46:08
Yeah, exactly. I think certainly in this
46:10
episode I have. It's just perfect, like.
46:14
This now it's like over the top. Yeah, that's one of my favorite
46:21
bits, I think. Favorite music cues from this?
46:23
But can I can Ioffer an opinion you might not like, because
46:27
we've established that you're quite a big Moffett fan is I
46:30
just don't think Moffett captures this sort of
46:33
entertainment in the way that I think RTD understands Saturday
46:37
night television for a family audience.
46:40
And he'll deliver this madness, fat people, mime, comedy
46:43
sequences and things like this, you know, and Muffy will deliver
46:46
something like The Impossible Astronaut, where a child is
46:50
murdered in the cliffhanger. You know, it's like, OK, and
46:54
it's an alternative way of telling Doctor Who.
46:55
And I absolutely get that. But.
46:58
I don't know, I just feel there's a time and a place for
47:00
killing children and it ain't in your season opener.
47:03
No, I think that's probably reasonable.
47:05
I think it's, again, I don't think I would have thought about
47:08
it too critically. I don't know that my critical
47:11
faculties are like I, I don't want to sort of just repeat
47:14
everything I said on on too hot for TV, but I'm very much one of
47:17
those guys that. It's all.
47:19
Right. No one listens to that, don't
47:20
worry. Well, that's the thing.
47:22
It's a broader audience now. I don't.
47:26
Know, but the, I, I think it's, I'm very much one of those guys
47:30
that I'm very happy as long as the, as long as my guys are on
47:33
the telly, I'm not really that bothered about what they're
47:34
doing. So I find it very difficult to
47:36
be, you know, too critical. I, I try to think about it now
47:39
and I know when I've liked something.
47:40
Well, I'm not, but it's, you know, I'm very rarely sitting
47:45
there going, I'm very rarely fogging at the mouth about it.
47:47
Do you know what I mean? I've created with hamster, Yeah,
47:50
I've created like 49 gigs worth of podcasting.
47:52
I've got to say something, you know, as I'm approaching 50
47:56
gigs. Yeah.
47:58
Oh, they're together again. Now come on, you said you're
48:01
hanging with you guys. Now you're hanging with you
48:04
guys. Yeah, in a moment.
48:05
Literally. Yes, she hangs on to that for
48:10
ages. I would have.
48:11
Long let go. And well, that's I always think
48:14
that. I always think I'd have been a
48:15
terrible companion because I'd definitely have been dead within
48:17
5 minutes. There's just no way.
48:18
To no, fuck that. Have you seen what they go for?
48:21
I'd have gone for one adventure and gone now.
48:22
You're right, I'll be out with my books.
48:25
Yeah, yeah, I definitely. There's a bit of the Teegan
48:26
about me. I'd have been like, no, thank
48:28
you. We'd go back to the TARDIS,
48:30
please. Yeah, yeah.
48:32
I was just like. The danger would follow you
48:35
there though, you know, You hang out and it's just the doctor,
48:37
man. He's bad news.
48:38
He's a bad omen. Yeah.
48:41
Well look, they start off here having jolly jokes with fat
48:43
people and they end up with the ultimate bomb made out of 100
48:48
planets. Well, you know, like I say, it's
48:51
got to escalate. That is the that's the one thing
48:53
I think with with with any of the new series stuff, to be
48:55
honest. All of the, it all ends up with
48:57
so many, like the planet's in danger, the universe is in
49:00
danger and it's like, I don't care.
49:03
I'm over, I'm over. It goes to a scale where you're
49:05
like, OK, what am I supposed to think about that?
49:07
Yeah, like how am I supposed to care anymore?
49:09
So it's the people really, isn't it?
49:10
And those finales that you. Yeah, absolutely.
49:13
When, when her memories ripped away, I mean, I was devastated
49:16
watching because I've had such a great year with her and she'd
49:18
grown so much. So I was like, Russell, you're a
49:21
bastard, you know, how could you do that to her?
49:24
It's a, it's a cruel, it's a cruel, cruel thing to do.
49:28
Well, you've watched this bit where they're silently smashing
49:31
hammers on the windows and. They can't get.
49:34
It I know. It's ridiculous.
49:37
They are like cartoon characters, aren't they in this
49:39
one? Yeah, it's just, I think that's
49:42
why tenants so much at his best with her, because they're just,
49:46
I don't know, I can't put into words that chemistry is just
49:48
gorgeous. I'll tell you what it is.
49:50
It's Evelyn Smythe and the Sick Doctor.
49:53
Yeah, the Sick Doctor shits all over his companions.
49:56
And then someone comes along who goes no, no, no, that ain't on.
50:00
And you certainly ain't treating me like that.
50:02
And you're not going to be like that when we have these
50:03
adventures. And as a result, they soften a
50:06
bit. Yeah.
50:07
I think that's probably. Yeah, sort of like he's, he's
50:13
sew up himself with with Rose and Martha and he she's just not
50:18
having it. What I love about Donna is you
50:21
get the boisterous Donna, obviously you do.
50:23
It's Catherine Tate. You get the shouty Donna who
50:26
tries to control the room or or certainly be the loudest person
50:29
in the room. But to give her a nuance, she
50:33
also has a really low opinion of herself and will say, you know,
50:36
I'm just a secretary. I'm nothing, I'm nobody, you
50:39
know, And it's a really interesting mix of.
50:42
Yeah, well, that's she's that's she's really the every woman.
50:45
And she like, we all feel like that sometimes we all feel like,
50:48
oh, I'm just a, I'm just a like. You know what?
50:51
Do you think I'll say I'll just put bread on a shelf?
50:53
Well. Yeah, try and stay humble.
50:56
Well, but I feel that the same way, like anytime I'm speaking
51:00
to any, you know, I'm just a healthcare assistant, I'm just a
51:02
receptionist and I'm like, well, look, we all have the cogs all
51:05
still need to be in place for everything to keep turning, man.
51:07
I'm not going to say how you described your job earlier, but
51:09
it was the best single description of any job I've ever
51:12
heard. All right.
51:13
Well, I'm happy to share it again.
51:16
I've photographed bum holes for a living.
51:21
Oh I just want to see the nice ones though, not the horrible
51:24
ones. Yeah, I suppose you're not
51:25
allowed to enjoy it though, are you?
51:27
I was just be a professional. No, it's a, it's a very tricky,
51:30
it's a tricky line to walk because you know, somebody's a
51:32
bit reticent about it. You don't want to go in too
51:34
hard, like, oh go on, go on. Back.
51:39
Show us, please. Oh God, you haven't wiped.
51:43
Jesus Christ, how did we get here?
51:46
No. People are used to it.
51:47
They are used to it by now. Oh, and this?
51:50
Where he helps her down and. She goes just always like this
51:53
with you, isn't it? He's like, Oh yes.
51:55
And then she's got a massive grin on.
51:56
Her face, it's just that's that's where that smile is just
52:00
infectious. And then we get the a great face
52:03
off. Now she's so unimpressed.
52:07
Sarah Lancaster, look at her. Yeah.
52:12
Oh I love all this stuff. It just makes me feel happy this
52:15
episode. Yeah, no, you just.
52:18
Oh man, energy, witty lines, great interactions.
52:22
Like I don't want every Doctor episode to be like this but to
52:26
kick start a year. I do wonder, I think I wonder if
52:29
that's why we're never happy as fans because it's just, it's so
52:32
varied. So nothing can ever be just for
52:34
you and no one's ever. There's no consistent, like
52:38
there's no consistent overall tone to the show.
52:41
It changes so much on to. Like, you know, the idea that
52:45
you can go anywhere and do anything and cover any genre, it
52:48
just, it means there's going to be times where it really isn't
52:51
for you. Yeah.
52:51
Yeah. Because there's stuff.
52:53
That we all don't like. Yeah, but it's funny, like all
52:57
the stuff. It's the stuff.
52:58
It's like I think I said to you before this, it's always the
53:01
stuff that I don't particularly that I'm not particularly
53:03
bothered about that. I always want to go back and
53:04
rewatch because I think, well someone likes this so why don't
53:07
I? I find that I do this.
53:09
I find it fascinating. It's like it's always good then
53:11
to have another voice on a podcast that you're doing of
53:16
with the completely the opposite view.
53:18
And then you usually meet somewhere in the middle.
53:20
They will see a little bit of what you're saying.
53:21
You'll see a little bit of what they're saying.
53:23
And and nine times out of 10, the rebel flesh and the also
53:27
people was a complete failure on Dave Rennie's part.
53:30
But nine times out of 10, you'll see something to like that you
53:34
didn't see before. Yeah.
53:35
So again, I quite, I enjoyed that one it when it came out,
53:37
but I've got no memory of it now.
53:39
Do you know what I mean? It's hard to go back into it
53:41
with baggage, whereas your. Name is mad.
53:44
Remember that is true. It's in your name.
53:46
Yeah, but I gave myself that name.
53:48
And if you. Well, you were right.
53:53
Yeah, now I look at him. That fellow, the bald one on the
53:55
left, the cute 1. He only looks about 12, doesn't
53:57
he? How did he get that job there?
53:59
It's cheekbones in it, that's what it is.
54:01
Yes. No, I've hired people for less,
54:04
you know? Just on that subject, I suppose,
54:07
but just going back to the almost people, I've got a real
54:09
soft spot for Sarah. Is it Sarah Smart who played the
54:13
one of the main gangers in that or one of the main ones?
54:16
I think that's. The name, anyway, not the evil
54:18
one that Rory likes. Maybe.
54:20
But they're really. Oh no, I thought the.
54:22
Little one with the Banks, because have you ever seen that
54:24
there's a show? Have you ever seen a show called
54:25
Funland with Chris, with erstwhile Doctor Who, Chris
54:29
Marshall and Oh no. And there's a variety.
54:34
It's a it's a really black. It's really black.
54:36
It's written by Jeremy Dyson from The League of Gentlemen and
54:39
it's it's like a really sort of weird dark comedy set in
54:42
Blackpool. It's fantastic.
54:44
We should watch it. But she's very good in that.
54:46
So I was very sort of kindly disposed to her when she was in
54:49
Doctor Who. So I think that's one of the
54:51
reasons I was that. Shitty CGI.
54:54
You know when her mouth goes massive or her heads on the
54:57
stalk. I mean, they're supposed to be
54:59
scary, but it's bloody comical. It's more comical than this.
55:02
Yeah, oh, look at this. And she opens up the cupboard
55:06
and she's got that fucking alien tech there.
55:09
It's ridiculous. The same office building as
55:12
Kevin Stoney in the Invasion. It might be it.
55:16
Might just be on the. Yeah, it might have just been on
55:19
the the next 4-UP. Imagine who would just.
55:23
Electrocute 2 men there. Potentially.
55:26
I think I will. Yeah, I think.
55:28
I'll mind you, last time we met, Donnery murdered a load of
55:31
spider kids, didn't he? He's he's known for it.
55:33
Well, it's it was, it was only, yeah, it was only watching this
55:36
again not that long ago, like when I watched it, it sort of to
55:39
refresh myself. It was only when he said
55:42
something about towards the end when he said something about
55:44
their only kids. And she goes, oh, that's changed
55:46
from last time. And I've never picked up on that
55:49
line before, but you know. People will say that Catherine
55:53
Tate is not giving a great performance in The Runaway
55:55
Bride. I just won't hear it.
55:56
I think at the start she's doing her usual Catherine Tate shtick
56:00
of just screaming her head off and that's a deliberate choice.
56:03
By the end, when she's on that snowy St. and she's saying to
56:07
him, you know, oh I don't know, you scare me to death, I can't
56:09
go with you. It's wonderful.
56:13
No, she's, she's brilliant. She's she was a real maybe the I
56:18
mean, again, I don't know, I don't know actors.
56:20
And certainly at the time this was going out, it wouldn't have
56:21
been something I was especially aware of.
56:24
So. But she's probably one of the
56:26
biggest revelations of the whole, oh, revival.
56:30
For sure. Well, even I was a bit unsure,
56:32
and I love the Catherine Tate show, but I was like, yeah, but
56:34
they're all sort of OneNote stereotype characters.
56:36
Yeah, exactly. None of it's particularly deep,
56:38
is it? No.
56:39
And yet I think in her best moments, in this silence and
56:43
library, Forest of the Dead turn left, you know?
56:46
And parts of the two-part finale, God, it's some of the
56:49
best acting we've ever seen. Yeah, now she's.
56:53
It's what JNT said about like, Patricia Routledge and people
56:56
like that. It's the people that say that
56:57
comedy actors can't do dramatic acting because comedy acting is
57:01
harder than dramatic acting. I would say yeah.
57:04
And I think pretty much any any of the comedians that have come
57:07
in, I think John Bishop was amazing, Bradley Walsh
57:09
fantastic, like every single one of the the sort of the comics
57:13
evenly Mack in it's it's a small role, isn't it?
57:16
But you know, he's fantastic in that.
57:18
And I think comics have AI think a better understanding of I
57:23
think, you know, an actor turned comic is definitely less good
57:26
than a comic turned actor. There's a general role actors
57:30
trying to do comedy. Oh.
57:31
You've seen John Levine doing comedy, have you?
57:34
I've not had the pleasure, but I've had.
57:36
Painful. Yeah, I've heard.
57:39
But John Bishop with that walk. It's Walk the Suntar.
57:43
I had to. I had to rewatch Legend of the
57:45
Sea Devils yesterday because my son's a big fan so he likes I.
57:48
Really like your the more I'm hearing about your son, he
57:51
sounds like he's got great taste.
57:52
He's a, he's a, he's a lovely boy.
57:54
He likes basically he likes lizards and things with tails.
57:57
So you run out very quickly and has.
58:01
Got things going for it. I swear to God it's not perfect.
58:04
It's far from perfect, but I'll look at this.
58:08
Literally the back fat is walking away.
58:11
Yeah, it's it's a very disturbing scene in it.
58:14
She reminds me of the Friend. Reminds me of was it one of the
58:18
ones? Is it who is it in James and the
58:21
Giant Peach? Is it Mary in Margulies?
58:23
Oh yeah, she doesn't like Mary Margulies.
58:27
That's your favorite beep? The beep.
58:29
Yeah, yeah. Oh, but I do you know what I
58:31
still think even though you can sort a tail now, the special
58:35
effects of all of the adipose in the street, because they're all
58:38
doing different things. Yeah, no, it must have taken
58:41
hours. It's.
58:41
The same tech that they used for Lord of the Rings, you know,
58:45
where they gave all the orcs, You know, you program it in and
58:48
they say, right, give each version of this and you get the
58:50
silverware, something different to do.
58:52
And then the computer program does the rest, which is why,
58:55
look, they're all walking in different directions.
58:57
Their arms are waving about. And I mean the one who slides
59:00
the taxis. Well, it's the it's the one with
59:02
the, the taxi runs them over. I always feel awful about that.
59:05
That made me feel really sad. The other.
59:06
Day. I think you just sort of bounced
59:08
off, you know? Yeah, I hope so.
59:11
The one who falls down, the taxi goes.
59:15
They're just gorgeous. I mean, now I want to see a
59:17
version of Lord of the Rings with Adipose instead of orcs.
59:19
I feel like that would be a much better.
59:21
I imagine the action sequences. All of them getting on top of
59:24
each other. Just attack, yeah.
59:27
Or one of those Star Wars battles, you know?
59:29
But we've added powers. What?
59:30
Was it, is it Last Jedi where they replaced all of the puffins
59:33
on that island with pogs? Is that what they're called?
59:38
That was a thing. So yeah, there was so many
59:39
puffins on the island that they couldn't actually get rid of
59:41
them or digitally remove them, so they just replaced them with
59:43
fucking. I'm not a big Star Wars fan.
59:46
I fucking loved The Last Jedi. I thought that was an
59:48
incredible. Yeah, likewise the.
59:50
Yeah, it was easily my favorite of of these *.
59:53
Wars fans, you don't know when you're I'm not.
59:55
AI see well for me, I'm not a particular Star Wars fan either.
59:57
I gave up on it a little while ago to.
59:59
Just I wasn't talking to you. I'll insult you on the call.
1:00:01
I was talking to let them out there, you know, listening.
1:00:04
My brothers are with Star Wars the same way I am about Doctor
1:00:07
Who, Which is challenging because I want to send them, you
1:00:11
know, I want to send them the Doctor Who memes.
1:00:12
And they're like, they're constantly chatting about what
1:00:14
the clone was. And I'm actually, I'm just like,
1:00:16
I don't care. Oh.
1:00:17
Send them to me. You know, I think we're, we're
1:00:20
meme swappers now, you and me. I should hope so.
1:00:22
I hope. So this is great.
1:00:25
I need a second capture. It's some shitty technobabble,
1:00:28
but of course she's got the pendant there, so she provides
1:00:31
the solution and then you get the shot of coming back from the
1:00:34
two of them. It's that weird pull in and pull
1:00:37
out shot. It's like the jaw shot, isn't
1:00:40
it? Of yeah, it's it.
1:00:41
I can't know what it's called. Someone did tell me once what it
1:00:43
was called as a as a shot, but it's just.
1:00:45
Is it that it zooms in but you? Zoom where you come out.
1:00:49
Yeah, I think that's right. You zoom in and pull the camera
1:00:51
backwards as you can, or the other way around.
1:00:53
It's a great. Effect.
1:00:54
And it's just like, yeah, there's the two of them.
1:00:56
That's the team, yeah, working together.
1:00:58
I think what I really like about as well about that shot is that
1:01:00
it's not particularly smooth. Like you can see where the
1:01:02
cameras kind of juggled a bit while they've done it and it
1:01:04
just. Well, that's Doctor and I were
1:01:05
in it a bit rickety. Yeah, that's one of the reasons
1:01:08
I love it, man. It's just.
1:01:11
Did you love the bit of she goes?
1:01:13
What's happened? I think the doctor happened just
1:01:18
every line, she says. She was.
1:01:22
She's just so much. I mean, I'm big on camp and I
1:01:24
get if you don't like camp then this probably wouldn't be for
1:01:28
you. I don't know.
1:01:31
I I think maybe I can't believe though that people are getting
1:01:35
this far into Doctor Who. Would not appreciate a bit of
1:01:37
that. Well, yeah, exactly.
1:01:39
Well, precisely. It's too late now.
1:01:41
It's too late, so people. Just say Doctor Toby Haddock.
1:01:44
If you're listening, you know Doctor Who's a serious thing.
1:01:46
It is not. Unfortunately, even the most
1:01:50
serious story has enormous giant clams that eat people in it.
1:01:54
Yeah. Do you think?
1:01:55
That's a great designer spaceship, don't you think?
1:01:57
Like close Encounters of the Third Kind.
1:02:00
Yeah, proper classic. Proper classic.
1:02:02
You know, like I said, if you're going to do a big camp, big camp
1:02:05
story, big arch villain. What's the sort of huge arm or
1:02:09
claw thing on the top there? Did you see it?
1:02:11
No, I didn't though. I think I'm going to wait a
1:02:13
minute because I haven't got that far.
1:02:17
How will we out sync again? I don't know, are you watching?
1:02:20
Playing at half. Speed.
1:02:22
I don't know, normally I watch them at double so I'm not
1:02:25
watching them. I would never watch these at
1:02:26
double S2. It's it's horrible and there's
1:02:28
wealth sitting on his hill with his missing it completely.
1:02:32
Oh, thank you for the visual clue.
1:02:33
I've gone back to it. You're an expert.
1:02:37
At this now had we better go to the roof, you know, and make a
1:02:41
joke about waving at fat. Yeah, well, it's getting there.
1:02:46
Can you sort of, you know, with your kids now?
1:02:48
Can you say to them, Oh my children?
1:02:52
I'm calling you to bed. Oh.
1:02:55
God getting to bed is the It's just not a thing.
1:03:00
Oh, see, I was the great babysitter for all of my nieces
1:03:02
because I used to be able to bribe them with all sorts, you
1:03:05
know, and I always followed through, you know, gave them the
1:03:08
treats and the sweets and all that the next day.
1:03:10
But you know, parents don't really promise those sort of
1:03:12
things because I'll be able to give them back after they'd had
1:03:15
the sweets and they'd be a little horrors.
1:03:17
Yeah, that's the I came to the conclusion.
1:03:21
Well, I was told by my wife that I had to come to the conclusion
1:03:23
that it was not appropriate to give him a Jelly tot every time
1:03:25
he did a question of his homework.
1:03:27
I thought it was a perfectly good system, but apparently.
1:03:29
She's told they're very small. Yeah, exactly.
1:03:31
I thought so. I thought it was a.
1:03:32
Sensible, full of sugar, makes the medicine go down.
1:03:35
Yeah, but slowly deteriorates the ability to concentrate while
1:03:38
you get while you get done with your maths.
1:03:40
Have you ever watched many cartoons, Joe?
1:03:43
Good for you. Good.
1:03:44
For you, the bit here where she looks down and does the comedy
1:03:48
double take and then falls to her death, I mean, it's a bit
1:03:50
like Looney Tunes, isn't it? Yeah.
1:03:52
Oh, it's gorgeous. I feel like she needed a little
1:03:54
sign that was just said like well.
1:03:57
Marwick Gold can't resist. Go.
1:04:02
Oh boy, no, but. Again, again, I can imagine
1:04:06
those people that like, you know, I'm going to pull
1:04:08
something out of my arse now. Heaven sent, you know, that
1:04:10
boring old man walking around a castle for a million billion
1:04:13
years. If you like that sort of thing,
1:04:15
maybe this might not be for you, but.
1:04:17
Isn't it I just I? It's just so wonderful.
1:04:19
That's the same show I like I. I know, it's crazy.
1:04:23
Like you just it just you can't get to.
1:04:27
There isn't a show that does this so tonally inconsistent and
1:04:31
that's its strength. Oh, come on, that is Camp her
1:04:34
hanging there in the air. In that light, if I never see
1:04:38
you again, it'll be too soon. Yeah, that's gorgeous.
1:04:43
I just wonderful. Yeah, sorry.
1:04:46
I feel like the I feel like I see your point now when you were
1:04:48
saying about sometimes the more fun ones are where we where
1:04:50
you've bought horns a little bit because I am, I'm fully just
1:04:54
loving this and it's hard to. I can't think of anything to
1:04:56
say. I think I said to you before,
1:04:58
all I can think of to say is God.
1:04:59
It's got no in it. Well, that's great.
1:05:01
No, I mean, people love a bit of confirmation bias.
1:05:04
You know, if we just sat here going this seems wonderful Man,
1:05:08
the amount of people that would listen to this.
1:05:10
Yeah. Although it is good to have a
1:05:13
route as well, you know like to really disagree on things.
1:05:18
Look at the adipose waving in front of the window.
1:05:19
See ya, it's been fun. Oh boy, oh boy, I love.
1:05:25
That spaceship, why didn't they market that?
1:05:28
I don't know this is the there must be someone doing the the
1:05:31
all that 3D printed tap. There must be someone who's
1:05:34
who's doing the Alice Bose spaceship, surely?
1:05:36
I know we've been a bit of reverend, but may I ask you a
1:05:38
serious question now? Of course.
1:05:40
OK, So what was a greater shock to you?
1:05:44
Was it the return of Rose Tyler in the scene, or the dramatic
1:05:50
dental work that she'd had since the last time we saw her?
1:05:54
Well, as a speaking as a not very observant person, I know
1:05:58
that I've said before about, you know, I, I, I do love a, a good
1:06:01
set of ashes, but the, I, I think at the time it would have
1:06:05
been very much Billy Piper's the.
1:06:08
The biggest shock? Oh huge.
1:06:10
Yeah. If it comes, turn left.
1:06:11
We all saw those gnashes. So Bunny idiots.
1:06:15
The scream. Yeah.
1:06:17
And I love Turner. Turner's my.
1:06:19
Favorite new series episode of all time?
1:06:21
But yeah. Oh, look at this Planet of the
1:06:23
Hats. Reggie.
1:06:28
Who has their? Car literally full of luggage
1:06:31
just in case the doctor drops by.
1:06:33
I said I used to work with the nurse who kept a bag under a bed
1:06:37
just in case of a nuclear Holocaust.
1:06:39
Is that right? Yeah.
1:06:41
I mean, I don't think she's got the wrong idea given politically
1:06:44
where we are right now. Well yeah, to be fair, I bet
1:06:47
she's feeling pretty smuggled. She knows that fingers hovering
1:06:52
over the button all the time. Oh, this is gorgeous.
1:06:57
I wish she now she thinks she's not wanted and she just
1:07:01
crumbles. She's she was all sort of full
1:07:03
of energy, so excited. And now she thinks like every
1:07:06
man in her life, she's not wanted.
1:07:09
And God who can't, Who doesn't recognise that?
1:07:12
Yeah. Oh, no.
1:07:13
It's just, it's such a like her disappointment.
1:07:18
She's just like, it's just her eyes, man.
1:07:20
You can see it in her eyes how well she plays it.
1:07:22
And he's just, and you just understand his reticence to, to
1:07:27
take her with him. He's just, they just play it so
1:07:30
beautifully. And then as well, I think
1:07:31
there's about when he smiles, when, when he realises, like
1:07:35
when he realises they're on the same wavelength about it.
1:07:38
And I feel like that smile that he gives her.
1:07:40
Well, at least he's learning because he's put Martha through
1:07:43
the year of hell, hasn't he? But she still remembers, and her
1:07:46
family will being tortured and all of that.
1:07:47
So he's like, I don't want you to go through this.
1:07:49
So he's actually right, because eventually she does go through
1:07:53
hell. Yeah, well, that's true, but not
1:07:55
because she fancied him. And that was the key thing.
1:07:57
He was worried. About so refreshing, isn't it?
1:07:59
Yeah, I would say the opposite of you, though.
1:08:02
You know, she said to him, you know, you just want to mate.
1:08:04
You ain't mate with me, Sunshine.
1:08:06
I would say to you at the end of the episode, Joe McLachlan, you
1:08:10
just want to be mates. Well, we're not just being
1:08:13
friends, Sunshine. All right, Sorry.
1:08:16
That was a terrible joke. I'm so sorry.
1:08:18
That's a fact. It took you a while, didn't it?
1:08:20
We got there in the end, though. But no, he's.
1:08:23
He's thank you for almost laughing.
1:08:25
That's I tried the it's his but yeah, his delight at being able
1:08:32
to take he he's just like right. We're on the same page.
1:08:34
It's all good. You can come.
1:08:36
I just. I mean, imagine leaving New York
1:08:38
keys in a bin. Yeah, that's AI always feel very
1:08:43
dodgy. I've got my car in at the garage
1:08:44
on Thursday and they usually leave them on the on the front
1:08:47
wheel. They leave them under the
1:08:48
really. Yeah, just in there because I I
1:08:52
can never get it while I'm working or I can never get off
1:08:55
work or whatever. But recently I've only just been
1:08:57
trusted with keys again in my house because I always lose
1:09:00
them. Last time I lost the entire coat
1:09:02
with the key in it. Oh crap, so.
1:09:03
Now he started secreting keys all around the fucking garden
1:09:06
jar. I mean, they're in all sorts of
1:09:08
weird traps and things. Like I can't even find the
1:09:11
bloody things. You've got just a metal detector
1:09:13
by the back door, so you can. Fake dog poos and all sorts.
1:09:17
I'm not rummaging through that to get my key.
1:09:18
Thank you very much. I know there's always the
1:09:20
concern that you'll get a a real 1.
1:09:23
How could I be talking about fake dog poos when Billie
1:09:25
Piper's on the screen? I'm so sorry.
1:09:28
That's OK, like I say, my analytical powers are not great,
1:09:30
but when we form the talk about plastic dog poo, I've got a
1:09:32
couple of great stories so. Excuse me, I should be the judge
1:09:35
of whether your analytical powers are good or not.
1:09:38
You've been fabulous. Well, I choosing to believe you.
1:09:43
Doesn't like a compliment? OK, notice most men are very.
1:09:48
Awkward when you throw out a compliment including me.
1:09:51
Yeah, I will be. I'll be thinking about it later
1:09:53
though. I'll be having a lovely time
1:09:54
going. She was very nice.
1:09:57
Well, yeah, please bank them all.
1:09:59
Bank them all for later. This bit I this is one of my
1:10:02
favourite endings to a new her episode where they give Will the
1:10:06
gift of seeing her in the TARDIS, waving away her.
1:10:10
And he's just so happy, isn't he?
1:10:12
Yeah, no, it's it and it again, it's so.
1:10:16
I don't know, man. He's just perfect.
1:10:20
That like it's just full on tears in his eyes.
1:10:22
And I think, you know, obviously the relationship you would go on
1:10:25
to have with Wilf and the doctor is just.
1:10:27
They got so lucky, didn't they? Like, I know, I know it's
1:10:30
through circumstances because the guy who played Donna's
1:10:33
father died or was dying, so they had to bring in somebody
1:10:36
else. And and, you know, I think he
1:10:38
would have been great Howard Atfield in this role, but but
1:10:43
Cribbins is just Cribbins. He's everyone's granddad.
1:10:46
Isn't. It no, exactly it was it was a
1:10:48
loss we all felt in a way that just, you know, and.
1:10:51
Just that idea, right? The, the dynamic idea of he's
1:10:56
always long to go out to the stars, but he's too old to do it
1:10:59
now. And and his granddaughter gets
1:11:03
to go out into the stars and he's not jealous.
1:11:05
He's so happy for her. So the bit where she comes back
1:11:08
in the Sontaran 2 party, you know, he sees her on the road
1:11:12
and he's like, no, go and get out there and bring back a bit
1:11:14
of the stars for me, you know? Yeah, yeah.
1:11:17
There's just no, it's, it's the way I wished.
1:11:19
I think it's the way I think we all wish we could be about our
1:11:22
friends. There's no jealousy.
1:11:23
There's no, I know they're not friends, but like he's just,
1:11:27
yeah, he's just so happy for her.
1:11:29
I'm. Terrible.
1:11:30
I'm the worst green eyed monster you're ever going to make people
1:11:34
give me great news. Oh my God, I'm going to do this.
1:11:37
You're what? You bastard.
1:11:39
Yeah. Well, look now.
1:11:42
What I've got to do is after that just a live episode is now
1:11:47
it hit you with a few questions from hand fam, if that's OK, Of
1:11:50
course. Yeah, you know, it's the usual
1:11:52
welcome that they they come up with these fucking terrible
1:11:54
questions for you to answer. So Are you ready?
1:11:59
As ready as I'll ever be, yeah. So the fanfare himself, Big
1:12:02
Orange Michael, someone else who goes under a pseudonym like you.
1:12:07
Oh, he's got no questions. He just says no questions.
1:12:10
Good luck to him. I'm sure he'll be brilliant.
1:12:13
Well, that's very kind of him to say.
1:12:15
He was big orange, Michael. He was brilliant.
1:12:17
We were talking about tours within 10 minutes.
1:12:19
It was wonderful. Lucy McCall says, Oh no, that's
1:12:25
Pfizer Pompeii. But she does say welcome.
1:12:27
So I'll just say that for now. Hello, Lucy.
1:12:30
John Arnold says hello and welcome.
1:12:33
Does Tennant's Doctor having a companion who clearly enjoys his
1:12:37
company but happily calls him out on his bullshit mean this is
1:12:40
the only season where his version of the character
1:12:43
properly works? I think I'm inclined to agree
1:12:46
with that. Yeah.
1:12:47
I think we've, we've kind of touched on that already, but the
1:12:49
fact that she's not she's not trying to shag him is a huge
1:12:53
benefit to the the team. There's no moping about this.
1:12:56
Just he's never allowed to get too big for his boots.
1:13:00
He just, she's just the exact right foil for Tennant's Doctor
1:13:05
because he's there's just, there's no room for him to
1:13:10
outgrow himself. And he can in the same way, I
1:13:13
guess, you know, like with anyone, when I don't know what,
1:13:18
I don't know what it was because I never felt with Eccleston and
1:13:20
Piper that he was grandstanding in the same way that Tennant
1:13:23
seems to be in that second series.
1:13:27
And then. But it always just feels like he
1:13:28
wants everyone to be very, very impressed with him.
1:13:31
And I just feel like he was. Nervous performance wise, I
1:13:34
mean, I still think he gives some great performances in that
1:13:36
second year, but you can know the episodes where he's a bit
1:13:40
unsure with what he's being asked to do come three.
1:13:43
I think he's comfortable and there's there's sort of he
1:13:45
levels out a bit, but he does shout and go on a lot in too,
1:13:49
doesn't he? Yeah, now I think he's this is
1:13:52
where he really settles into himself and it's, she's just
1:13:55
great. Well, our Daniel Rawlsley.
1:13:58
Lovely. Daniel Rawlsley asks.
1:14:01
Rusty Davies has always brought an eclectic mix of darkness,
1:14:04
confidence and fun to each of his series openers and partners
1:14:08
is arguably the most refined of all.
1:14:11
What is it about that approach that works so well?
1:14:14
It's not mastermind. This isn't it it.
1:14:16
Is. I don't know if I have got a
1:14:17
proper answer for that, but I I know for a fact, like I think
1:14:22
it's it just feels like I think maybe it's the practice, to be
1:14:26
honest. It's the fact that he's had
1:14:28
three goes at opening these seasons already and he's kind of
1:14:31
got down with the exact right team as well.
1:14:34
You know, Tennant and Tate are just the exact right team to
1:14:36
pull off this episode and it wouldn't have hang on.
1:14:41
I'm still I think I'm still playing there.
1:14:43
Shit, yeah, the exact right team to pull off this episode and it
1:14:48
just it just works. I think everyone's got what they
1:14:53
need to have to work it. This is This is what I'm saying
1:14:56
about my analytical powers. I cannot think of the words to
1:14:59
put into. It I understood what you were
1:15:00
trying to say, don't worry. Everything was in place for it
1:15:04
to work beautifully. Yeah.
1:15:06
And. Maybe that is that doesn't.
1:15:07
Have to be the case, you know, Like I'm going to make a
1:15:09
comparison again, Bells of Saint John, which I think is all
1:15:12
right, but it's in no way as fun to watch as this.
1:15:16
I don't. No, that's true.
1:15:17
No, I felt very underwhelmed with that with with Bells of
1:15:21
Saint John. And like I say, I'm a I'm a
1:15:22
Smith fan anyway, but I liked him with I liked him with Karen
1:15:26
and Arthur, but. It's doing exactly the same
1:15:28
thing as well. It's reintroducing somebody
1:15:30
we've already met. Yeah, technically in a
1:15:32
different. I know Donald was the same
1:15:34
person, but she's kind of a different person here.
1:15:36
Yeah. In a fun episode set in London,
1:15:40
you know, with a big grandstanding villain in Celia
1:15:42
Emery, but who's nowhere near as fun as Sarah Lancashire is in
1:15:45
this. You know, it's.
1:15:46
Yeah. So.
1:15:47
So the the what you just said there about the right things
1:15:50
being in the right place, I don't think that has to be the
1:15:52
case. So they they were lucky or they
1:15:54
were skilful. Yeah, no, very true.
1:15:57
He also asked. Then many people fell in love
1:16:00
with Catherine Tate's Donna here.
1:16:02
But what was the moment for you? Well, I think in, in this
1:16:13
probably the, I mean, it's got to be the window scene.
1:16:15
Surely that's the bit where but you, you feel sympathy with her
1:16:18
when she's being bollocked by her mum and you, you can relate
1:16:22
to her and she, you love spending time with her family
1:16:24
already. But the, the, that bit where she
1:16:26
clicks with in the windows, it is just, it's just perfect.
1:16:30
There is literally, there's no other way to describe it.
1:16:32
It's perfect. I will say, I think the bit on
1:16:35
where the TARDIS is bouncing along the motorway in Runaway,
1:16:37
right is is the bit where obviously at that point we
1:16:41
didn't know she was going to be a companion at any point.
1:16:43
But that's the bit where that scene is just gorgeous as well.
1:16:46
She says Santa's a robot, I. Mean, I mean, for me in this, it
1:16:51
was the opening scene where she's all business in a
1:16:55
business, so going into a business to do an investigation
1:16:59
and she don't even need the doctor.
1:17:00
I mean, she wants the doctor, but she's there.
1:17:02
She's doing it all without him. Yeah, but it's the thing that
1:17:05
she obviously, she doesn't seem to be, you know, like when
1:17:08
Wilfie is saying about, you know, where's that girl gone?
1:17:10
She's clearly still there because she's she's wandering
1:17:12
around in a business suit doing all the stuff.
1:17:14
It's that, but that lack of confidence that she's clearly
1:17:17
still got. She thinks that she needs more
1:17:19
than she is, and she doesn't. She's she's brilliant as she is.
1:17:23
It's why I think at the end of the season, even though it's
1:17:26
devastating when she loses her memories, Yeah, Turn Left has
1:17:29
already proven that without the Doctor, Donna can be incredible
1:17:34
because she makes all the choices in Turn Left without
1:17:38
having ever known the Doctor. She sacrificed her life.
1:17:41
She does the right thing, you know, She steps up and she makes
1:17:43
a difference and and she hasn't even met that.
1:17:46
So, so the fact that she doesn't know the doctor at the end of
1:17:48
the season, people go, oh, she was better with him.
1:17:50
That's what Will says. I said, no, she's still a good
1:17:52
person. She will still be a good person
1:17:54
and she still is a good person. Will we catch up with her
1:17:58
unbelievably, 20 years later in the Star Beast?
1:18:01
Yeah, no, she's, I think it's that, Yeah, it's that, you know,
1:18:06
he brings out the best in her and he helps her find herself.
1:18:08
But she was always, she was always there.
1:18:11
Do you want to hear now? Right?
1:18:12
Yeah. I've got 2 from Fraser Gregory
1:18:13
for you. I'm so sorry.
1:18:15
This first one is the most evil question that has ever been put
1:18:19
to any member of the Ham fam. Oh God.
1:18:22
Yeah, you should be scared. I wouldn't want to answer this.
1:18:25
I'll refuse. You can only pick one, lose the
1:18:29
other for the rest of the series.
1:18:32
Catherine Tate or Bernard Cribbins.
1:18:36
Oh God, that is a horrible question.
1:18:38
Yeah, he's evil. Yeah, now I'm trying to.
1:18:48
I don't. I don't know you.
1:18:49
Strictly can't have the scene, can I not?
1:18:50
You don't have to keep me in suspense.
1:18:52
Can I can I lose tenant instead to just have?
1:18:56
Yes. Taking Cribbins just go off on
1:18:58
her benches in the TARDIS themselves I think that would
1:19:00
be. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
1:19:02
She could be the Metacritic. You know when she takes all the
1:19:04
memories at the end of the season.
1:19:05
Yeah, because she's, yeah, she's that.
1:19:07
I would have watched that. So watch the show, go on.
1:19:09
That Come on, Gramps, let's go. I think that's the only way that
1:19:12
anyone can answer that question, so I'll go with that.
1:19:15
And of course, finally, this is the last question for the
1:19:18
episode. All right, he asked Fraser
1:19:20
Gregory Quarks or crotons, because he just fucking asked
1:19:24
that question to everyone. It's got to be quarks, right?
1:19:28
Well, he'll be happy, yeah. Yeah, you can't.
1:19:30
You can't. It's.
1:19:31
Just terrible. Now I like, you know what I
1:19:33
like? I like the Crotons when I
1:19:34
watched it but it's. Erection points.
1:19:37
But they're not. They're not the iconic, they're
1:19:39
not the iconic quarks. Are they really?
1:19:42
Sort of little arms that come out, yeah.
1:19:44
Yeah, it's the fact that they don't come out.
1:19:46
It's the fact they come out on different levels.
1:19:47
I think that's what I've always liked about them, is that they
1:19:50
come out separately. That's what I enjoy.
1:19:52
I mean, I will say I don't buy Doctor Who figures.
1:19:54
Yeah, but I do have a quark. That's.
1:19:56
Beautiful. I do have an Adipox so.
1:19:59
Like those are the two that I absolutely.
1:20:01
Had to have, I think it's the ones that are queue, you know,
1:20:04
those are the ones I want. If they did that little troll
1:20:06
doll from Tara, the Altons, you know, the one that comes alive
1:20:09
when you heat things up, I'll get him as well.
1:20:12
Yeah. Well, look, Joe, now there's one
1:20:15
last thing we have to do. It sounds so weird saying Joe
1:20:19
Mad. There's one last thing we have
1:20:22
to do, and that is to list our three fabulous things about
1:20:25
parlours in crime before we head into the Father Pompeii.
1:20:29
Oh God. You're not prepared for this,
1:20:31
have you? No, I've not.
1:20:32
Do you? Want me to go first as a sort of
1:20:34
example? Yeah, sure, you go first.
1:20:37
I feel like it's not so much that I haven't prepared because
1:20:40
I feel like the answers are obvious, but I don't want to be.
1:20:42
I don't want to be a basic bitch and but I may not have a choice
1:20:46
on this because it's just if you pick all the obvious ones, I'll
1:20:49
have to think outside the box. Oh.
1:20:51
OK, I'll I'll be niche then. I'm going to choose the the bald
1:20:55
headed guard with the gun because I want him to come to my
1:20:59
house tonight and do obscene things to me.
1:21:02
Now it's your turn. I bet you weren't going to
1:21:04
choose him, was you? No, he probably wouldn't have
1:21:07
been top three, but I'm going to say pursuing the obvious, I'm
1:21:13
going to say that scene in the toilet where they're kicking the
1:21:15
doors in just in following on from your from your guard.
1:21:20
I feel that scene probably doesn't get the it's not as well
1:21:26
remembered maybe as the as as it could be because there's so much
1:21:31
else to commend the episode. But that scene, like it was,
1:21:34
again, I feel like I talk about myself a lot of these, but like,
1:21:37
it really has been a revelation. Discovering it with him and his
1:21:42
face when she didn't get caught. Yeah, was an absolute picture.
1:21:47
It was fantastic. Way to watch Doctor Who were
1:21:49
Kids and seeing the bits that get them, you know, and impress
1:21:52
them and make them laugh. Yeah, he was wonderful.
1:21:55
Yeah, and he was absolutely furious when they didn't meet
1:21:57
each other at the end of that other way.
1:21:58
He was just like, oh, come on. That means Russell's doing his
1:22:01
job, right? Like, yeah.
1:22:02
And you're frustrated. Yeah, exactly.
1:22:04
It's very hard to do a suspense sequence like that and to pay it
1:22:08
off brilliantly with the answer that's already been set up.
1:22:11
That's sort of Moffett's right, and that is.
1:22:13
Yeah, no, it's yeah. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with
1:22:15
that. Also, she must have been very
1:22:16
confused that that journalist sitting in there just thinking,
1:22:20
why is that Lady saying she's in church?
1:22:21
What the Hell's going on here? What is going on?
1:22:24
In there never We never. We never.
1:22:25
Find out we. Need to report on here.
1:22:27
Well, my second thing then is going to be the delirious, the
1:22:30
delicious Sarah Lancaster as Miss Foster, who, you know, arch
1:22:35
doesn't begin to cover it, but Russell knows she's capable of
1:22:39
delivering any line that he gives her in the most divine
1:22:44
fashion. And she just, she aces this role
1:22:48
in a way that I think few, a lot of guest, big name guest actors
1:22:52
come in, you know, big in British TV, come in to Doctor
1:22:55
Who and just make no impact on me whatsoever.
1:22:57
I mentioned senior Emery. Olivia Coleman in the 11th hour
1:23:02
made no impact on me whatsoever. Who's Miss Dale Fox in Time
1:23:05
Heist. Keely Horse.
1:23:07
Oh yeah, I remember a thing about what she does in that
1:23:10
episode. I just, I'm not sure Moffett has
1:23:12
that ability to deliver those camp lines in.
1:23:15
No, I think that's fair. I think with with Sarah
1:23:17
Lancaster, it's I feel like I've, like I said to you before,
1:23:22
I've I've no ability to combine the idea of her in this and her
1:23:28
in Happy Valley with like they, they in the same way that like
1:23:33
the only other person I can think of really does that in my
1:23:36
mind is Johnny Depp. Like in terms of being able to
1:23:39
be Willy Wonka and Captain Jack Sparrow.
1:23:41
They're just, it's like this. They can't be the same.
1:23:44
But I know it's I know they're actors.
1:23:45
I know that's how that works. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not thick.
1:23:48
Actors do tend to be quite typecast though.
1:23:51
I think they say that doesn't happen, but I think you usually
1:23:53
get actors in particular type of roles.
1:23:55
You see Bill Bailey and people like that in certain types of
1:23:58
roles, whereas Sarah Lancaster, I just think she could deliver
1:24:01
anything. Yeah, no, absolutely.
1:24:03
She's fantastic. So now that's a, that's a,
1:24:05
that's a reasonable choice. Wow.
1:24:06
Back to. You then I'm going to go for I'm
1:24:11
going to go for the added pose. I just think there's such a
1:24:13
brilliant creation. It's such a lovely and they're
1:24:15
so they're so of the time as well.
1:24:17
Like obviously diet culture was such a big thing.
1:24:20
You know, this is the sort of thing we probably should have
1:24:21
talked about during the episode really, because it would have
1:24:23
been we got a sidetracked. But I think yeah, diet culture
1:24:27
was such a big thing at this period in history.
1:24:28
What's this about 2009? Is it like it's just it was
1:24:33
everywhere, every programme on Channel 4 was?
1:24:35
Why are you so fat? Oh no, Secret Eaters was my
1:24:39
favorite. Did you ever watch that?
1:24:40
No, it was not. Loads of cameras in their
1:24:42
houses, right? And they wrote a diary at the
1:24:44
start to say what they thought they ate and then the cameras
1:24:47
filmed them. But they don't tell them.
1:24:49
They put cameras in their workplace, in their cars and all
1:24:52
the all of this. So they're eating at home, like
1:24:54
what they're saying they're eating in the diary, then
1:24:56
they're going to their friend's house or dobbing them all in and
1:24:59
they're eating chip butties, you know, and mayonnaise straight
1:25:03
from the bottle and think, oh, it was wonderful.
1:25:05
And then they'd have some lovely footage of me just eating lots
1:25:08
of cheese out of the fridge in the three in the morning.
1:25:10
Really. Yeah, well, I don't.
1:25:11
Live together, you know? I mean, I'm usually up at 4:00
1:25:13
in the morning snuffling in the fridge.
1:25:15
Yeah, there've been, there've never been any cheese though,
1:25:18
and I think that would be a problem, yeah.
1:25:19
That's true. We could do Lady in the Tramp,
1:25:21
you know. OK, take a block and leave it
1:25:22
somewhere in the middle. That's Jesus Christ trying to
1:25:26
like a full, like a full sort of 5K block of trees trying to
1:25:30
shove it. It's not very sexy, but it'd be
1:25:33
quite satisfying. Yeah, yeah, it's you'd need a
1:25:36
right pair of teeth to get through that crash.
1:25:38
Sorry, you were saying about the diet industry?
1:25:41
Yeah, no, I think, you know, it's obviously very of its time
1:25:45
and I don't know how much it doesn't feel particularly like
1:25:48
it's aged very badly either. I feel like he, he makes his
1:25:51
points very well. And the adipose are such a
1:25:52
lovely, like they're such a lovely benign alien.
1:25:56
And we get so few of those that work.
1:25:58
I I just love them. I just love them.
1:26:00
They're perfect. And we both had yours exploded,
1:26:04
but we both had an adipose. So I think that's a that's
1:26:07
considered a marketing success as far as we're concerned.
1:26:11
I can't help but think though, if they were doing it in real
1:26:13
life, surely they would be marketing the adipose as little
1:26:15
pets like. Just don't believe we didn't
1:26:18
have the goblins on the shelf, you know, and all these other
1:26:21
things he was doing in RTD too. I know, I really, I remember
1:26:24
saying to my wife before I was like, it's coming, like it's
1:26:26
going to start again. These figures are going to be,
1:26:28
it's going to be everywhere, actually just.
1:26:30
You could have those hideous space babies on the shelf.
1:26:32
You know, you sort of push them and they say, oh, I'm Captain
1:26:35
Poppy. Oh God, yeah.
1:26:38
Now that'll be horrendous. Some of the dolls that I see
1:26:40
now, like if I'm walking up the Thai aisle, like they're just.
1:26:43
They're too convincing, aren't they?
1:26:45
They're terrified. My when we were just moving, so
1:26:48
we, we didn't live in Wakefield before and now we do live in
1:26:50
Wakefield, but the, when we were moving here, we were.
1:26:54
You didn't need that amount of context actually for this story,
1:26:57
but I'm providing it nonetheless.
1:26:58
Yeah, well, I mean, you've given Albert your address on this
1:27:00
call. Be careful, right?
1:27:01
They'll be coming round. Well, like I say, I could deal
1:27:04
with. I need some more friends.
1:27:06
The we were at a playground, like outside a, a pub or
1:27:11
something. And there was this, you know,
1:27:12
those reborn dolls that they're called the ones where like for
1:27:15
people who've liked. Yeah, it's like for people
1:27:17
who've lost kids or something. And why take the piss then?
1:27:19
That sounds very, yeah. Well, you know, wait till you
1:27:23
hear the rest of the story. They're very, they're very
1:27:25
realistic, very like hyper real horrible.
1:27:28
They're actually really horrible, to be honest, But I'll
1:27:30
I'll take the piss. They're awful things, but the
1:27:34
and we were in this playground and we were just standing there.
1:27:37
This child was up for climate frame, whatever.
1:27:39
This baby just dropped from the sky and face planted onto the
1:27:44
ground. And my wife just screamed and it
1:27:47
said that it was one of those dolls, but we thought it was a
1:27:49
real baby. Oh my God.
1:27:51
Horrible dropped out of the sky like Sarah Lancaster.
1:27:54
You know how I have all of this sort of hatred towards these
1:27:57
horrible kiddie wings from the Steven Moffett era, You know,
1:27:59
and GRT those those horrible yeah, maybe I should get one of
1:28:03
those dolls. I could take it all out on that.
1:28:05
Then I will be nice on the podcast about the children.
1:28:08
You know, it's sort of a way of just getting it all out of my
1:28:11
system. I started making jokes about
1:28:13
putting them all in gas chambers.
1:28:14
I mean, I will be cancelled at some point, no?
1:28:17
I don't know if you're putting out your own stuff, I don't
1:28:19
think you can be cancelled. Is that not the podcasting?
1:28:21
Sure, that's the whole point. I don't know.
1:28:24
I don't know where the line is. Oh, well, I'll do my last thing
1:28:27
then. And that is going to be.
1:28:29
I just think the comedy lands here and comedy and Doctor Who
1:28:31
goes one or two ways is usually the sublime or it's agonizing.
1:28:36
And the new series is very capable.
1:28:38
I mean, need I'll remind you of the Wi-Fi family from
1:28:42
Resolution. You know, where the Wi-Fi goes
1:28:44
off and what the hell are we going to do?
1:28:46
Or we'll have to talk to each other.
1:28:47
What, you know, terrible. Or that TomTom joke in the
1:28:51
Moffett era. Boy, oh boy, awful.
1:28:55
But this is very cleverly directed comedy of the two of
1:29:00
them missing each other and then blissfully active comedy where
1:29:04
you have them doing the miming in the middle and then just very
1:29:07
witty comedy where you have the confrontation scene.
1:29:10
And I just think it all lands. James Strong is a is a strong
1:29:13
enough. Well done, Joe.
1:29:15
He's a good enough director to land all the comedy and it
1:29:19
really needed somebody good for that.
1:29:21
Yeah, no, it's I, I can't disagree with any of that.
1:29:23
I think it's it's, it's, it's just the perfect comedy episode.
1:29:27
And it's, it's a great introductory episode as well.
1:29:29
Like it just brings in everything.
1:29:31
And who's not watching next week after you've seen this?
1:29:34
You've got one more choice. And if one of us don't choose
1:29:36
Catherine Tate fucking out? Can I, can I be, can I be a bit
1:29:41
cheeky and sort of say the combination of Tennant and Tate
1:29:43
and Murray Gold because I think go.
1:29:45
For it, yeah. The the that them as a TARDIS
1:29:47
team. Like I say, Tennant is not my
1:29:49
favorite doctor, not because of anything he's done.
1:29:51
I just happen to prefer the others.
1:29:53
But I think with Tate that it's just a magic.
1:29:56
It's a magic combination. And I think again, Murray hits
1:30:01
his stride. Murray like we're friends, but
1:30:05
he hits. It's just yeah, he he just that
1:30:10
combination of the three of them and just tenant smile and the
1:30:13
way they find each other and the music just brings it all
1:30:16
together. It's just magic.
1:30:18
Like, I just don't think there's anything you can say about this
1:30:20
that's. I've seen it too many times and
1:30:23
I still enjoy watching it. I even then just put on the
1:30:26
climax before we came on the call just to watch the last 15
1:30:29
minutes again and I can just watch it over and over.
1:30:32
It's just one of those doctors. Can I do a little .5?
1:30:34
Last thing, it's not really a. Match Podcast.
1:30:37
But it's like, well, you know, it's our podcast tonight.
1:30:41
That's the whole point of this is thank you so much to Billie
1:30:45
Piper for coming in and just doing her fabulous pout.
1:30:49
You know, when she really pouts up her lips like a total cunt
1:30:52
and walks off like that without showing her hideous new teeth
1:30:55
because she really landed the moment.
1:30:57
Well done, Billy. See, and you say that, but then
1:31:00
when you know sometimes if you plant Billy Piper at the end of
1:31:03
an episode without telling anybody it's going to happen, it
1:31:05
really pisses people off. Well, yes, in an indeterminate.
1:31:08
Statement. Yeah, What's what's happening?
1:31:11
Why is Billie Piper there? Why do we keep doing this?
1:31:13
We. Can't let her go.
1:31:16
I thought we'd seen the back of her when it came to day of the
1:31:19
doctor, you know, and she was that bomb.
1:31:22
Well, look, I mean, what a blissful couple of hours we had
1:31:26
there talking about partners in crime.
1:31:27
Unfortunately, your work is not done yet tonight.
1:31:30
All right, we are heading into the second episode now, but I
1:31:34
suppose we. Should out this in our Partners
1:31:36
in Crime sort of a way. Should we mime our way out of
1:31:39
the episode? If you can do that in an audio
1:31:42
medium, I shall be incredibly impressed.