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"Midterm Madness with Elizabeth Warren." · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Loud. I'm Tommy Vittorio. You are.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're still Tommy Vittorio. On today's show, Senator
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren stopped by Crooked HQ to chat with Tommy.
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  Speaker 1: But before that interview, we thought that since we covered
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  Speaker 1: a lot of news in our DC and Boston live pods,
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  Speaker 1: we'd dig into the mailbag today to answer some of
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  Speaker 1: your questions on the midterms, messaging, favorite DC scandals, and more.
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  Speaker 3: We have a great episode premised on the idea that
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  Speaker 3: we didn't want to prep on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just want to reflect on the fact that
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  Speaker 2: Massachusetts has gotten a lot of good coverage on this
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  Speaker 2: show lately. We had Senator Elizabeth Warren. We had Mayor
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  Speaker 2: Michelle Wu. We had Senator Ed Markey. We had Mackie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had quite a few Massachusetts politicians.
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  Speaker 2: You bet we did. Where are you at, Syosset? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we can try to book Schumer.
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  Speaker 1: I think we probably will soon.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get him on.
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  Speaker 1: Are we doing booking now at the beginning of the show?
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to a gas station on a Sunday and
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  Speaker 2: see if we get any hits. I thought we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about testicle tanning today. Or is that just a
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  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? If we were doing a normal pod today,
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  Speaker 1: we would have, and no one asked about it in
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  Speaker 1: the questions. It was an opportunity for you people, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mailbag, Phil.
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  Speaker 1: All right, a few quick housekeeping notes before we start.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this briefly during last week's live shows,
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  Speaker 1: but Vote Save America has launched our Midterm Madness competition.
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  Speaker 1: Came right after March Madness was over. Now we start
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  Speaker 1: Midterm Madness. If you go to votesaveamerica.com slash midterms, You
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  Speaker 1: can sign up to get connected with actions that you
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  Speaker 1: can take right now. We will host events where we
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  Speaker 1: lay out midterm strategy. We're going to help train you
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  Speaker 1: guys to become organizers. You can pick a region of
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  Speaker 1: the country to focus on, east, midwest, south, or west.
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  Speaker 1: Each of the Pod Save America hosts is coaching a region.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a coach. I took Canada.
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  Speaker 1: I took the west.
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  Speaker 2: And the midwest.
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  Speaker 1: I took the west. Arizona, Nevada, some big races. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of competitive house races. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: I have the Northeast.
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  Speaker 1: And then Dan has the South, I believe. You bet
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  Speaker 1: he does.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're trying to get at least 10,000 signups per region, 40,000 total.
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  Speaker 1: At least. Lovett wants to make sure that we emphasize
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  Speaker 1: that it's 40,000 total. I like the bigger number. He
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  Speaker 1: wants the big number.
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  Speaker 2: I like the bigger number.
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  Speaker 1: By the end of May.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to get him to do 50 at the
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  Speaker 3: live show, just to kind of keep everybody on their toes.
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  Speaker 1: Painstaking process to figure out how many signups. Lovett just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to add to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's doing his Steve Jobs. Absolutely. What if more?
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  Speaker 2: What if it was more?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Elizabeth Holmes over here. All right.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to save this country with just one drop
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  Speaker 2: of blood. We've all been watching a lot of tech scams.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of we crashed.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So anyway, we need you to sign up
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  Speaker 1: by the end of May so we can be ready
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  Speaker 1: for November. So go sign up now. It's votesaveamerica.com slash midterms.
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  Speaker 1: You all did such a good job with Adopt-A-State for 2020.
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  Speaker 1: We want to basically recreate that again for the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: It's a zone defense for democracy.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Look at that. That was on the fly.
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  Speaker 2: That works. That worked.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone knows it worked.
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  Speaker 1: Also check out this week's Offline. I had a great
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  Speaker 1: conversation with Lauren Williams. She's the former editor-in-chief at Vox
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  Speaker 1: who left to start Capital B News, which is a
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  Speaker 1: new nonprofit news organization focused on fighting misinformation and distrust
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  Speaker 1: in the black community. We talked about how the George
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: Floyd protests inspired a great reckoning in newsrooms, how the
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  Speaker 1: media has failed in their coverage of critical race theory,
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  Speaker 1: and why Capital B thinks that rejuvenating local news coverage
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  Speaker 1: is part of the solution to our online misinformation problem.
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  Speaker 1: Go check it out.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's answer some questions, guys. First one. What does an
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  Speaker 1: optimistic rest of the year look like politically? Best case
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  Speaker 1: scenario for what gets done by the midterms?
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  Speaker 2: Have at it, Favreau.
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  Speaker 1: You want me to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you got? You do that one.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Mine is to throw my phone into a lake and
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  Speaker 2: hide from the news.
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  Speaker 1: Here's on my list. I got a list of things
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  Speaker 1: that go well. A laundry list. This is to give us, again,
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  Speaker 1: we don't do predictions here. All this goes well. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to say that we're going to win. but
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  Speaker 1: this is to give us our best chance here. One,
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  Speaker 1: Manchin and Sinema agree to a bill. We won't name
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  Speaker 1: the bill. It's just a bill that raises taxes on
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  Speaker 1: the rich, cuts the deficit, lowers the cost of healthcare
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  Speaker 1: premiums and prescription drugs, and invests in climate, though any
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  Speaker 1: bill will also probably increase fossil fuel production in the
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  Speaker 1: short term because otherwise Manchin won't agree to it. So
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  Speaker 1: there's some kind of bill like that that gets passed.
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  Speaker 1: Then Biden forgives $ 10, 000 in student debt It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be 10. It probably won't be 50 because he promised
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  Speaker 1: 10 in the campaign. He didn't promise 50. That's the deal.
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  Speaker 1: And takes a number of additional executive actions on things
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  Speaker 1: like minimum wage. There's a bunch of other things he
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  Speaker 1: can do. Inflation settles down. I probably should have put
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  Speaker 1: that first because that's probably going to have the biggest
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  Speaker 1: impact on what happens in the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: Settle down inflation.
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  Speaker 1: Settle down inflation. There was some talk that the last
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  Speaker 1: report last week was probably the high point of inflation.
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  Speaker 1: There was some hope about that. So we'll see. There
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  Speaker 1: are no significant new variants that evade immunity. There could
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  Speaker 1: be new variants.
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  Speaker 2: I love this list.
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  Speaker 3: I think what would go better is every time you
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  Speaker 3: did one, you dropped a kind of comic fake vase
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  Speaker 3: on your head.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? See, I was going to
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  Speaker 2: say like a magic wand.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you interrupted me. We could have had a
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  Speaker 1: great video of me just saying all those things, and
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  Speaker 1: then after the midterms, then you could have dropped the
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  Speaker 1: vase on my head one by one.
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  Speaker 2: Piano or Nando.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, no new variants that evade immunity. So Republicans
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  Speaker 1: nominate some real Trumpy candidates in the Senate and the
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  Speaker 1: governor's primaries. Trump can't keep himself out of the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: That would be helpful. And then Democrats really drive the
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  Speaker 1: choice between the Rick Scott agenda of raising taxes and
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  Speaker 1: cutting your health care and the Democratic agenda. So that's
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  Speaker 1: that's what I have on my list.
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  Speaker 2: The aristocrats. That's a good list, John. It was a
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  Speaker 2: real John. It was a really nice lesson. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I had some similar stuff in there. I talked to Warren,
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  Speaker 2: Senator Elizabeth Warren, about inflation and the arguments we hear
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  Speaker 2: from her and from Democrats that seem to explain inflation,
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  Speaker 2: but not necessarily win a political argument about it. It's
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  Speaker 2: an interesting thing to say there.
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  Speaker 1: I should say, by the way, she has a big
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  Speaker 1: op-ed in the New York Times today about what Democrats
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  Speaker 1: can do to avoid midterm losses. Timed, I'm guessing, right
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  Speaker 1: to your interview with her. She was like, I got
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  Speaker 1: the Vitor interview, and now I'm going to do the
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  Speaker 1: rollout of the op-ed.
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  Speaker 2: You heard it here second. That's what we do here
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  Speaker 2: at Pod Save America. That's our bed and brother. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you heard it here second.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great tagline.
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  Speaker 2: Let's put that on something.
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  Speaker 1: You heard it here a second.
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  Speaker 2: Long-term tax credits for renewable energy. I love that. I
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  Speaker 2: would like some more progressive taxation. Again, yeah, don't at me.
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  Speaker 2: I know that Cinema Mansion would be a pain in
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  Speaker 2: all this. Yeah, I'd love all these things. I want
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  Speaker 2: as many liberal judges as humanly possible, and I want
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  Speaker 2: them to be as young as humanly possible. We can
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  Speaker 2: get a teenage judge. What was Dan's joke? Harvard 10K.
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  Speaker 1: No, right.
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  Speaker 2: Harvard Law 10K. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 3: The best Supreme Court justice is the most recent winner
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  Speaker 3: of the Harvard Law 10K.
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  Speaker 2: Fastest time in the Harvard 10K.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Some executive action, the climate guns, whatever we got. I'd
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  Speaker 2: love to see some January 6th committee results.
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  Speaker 4: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I forgot about that one. Some action there. That's good, too.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Elon puts Trump back on Twitter. Everybody gets reminded
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  Speaker 3: what a piece of shit he is.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a world of thing also. Maybe, you know, Putin
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  Speaker 1: can sort of come. Speaking of people settling down.
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: What if Elon buys Twitter and then he and Zuckerberg
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  Speaker 2: swap on a freaky Friday?
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  Speaker 1: We just had to cut something that was almost going
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  Speaker 1: to get us sued. Anything else? I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: we are. Anyway, that's optimism.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: I just disavow John in case the uncut tapes get out.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know anything.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, that's the optimistic scenario, and that's why everyone
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  Speaker 1: should be working hard. Midterm madness, votesaveamerica.com slash midterms. Because
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  Speaker 1: if everyone gets to work, then all that can possibly
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  Speaker 1: come true.
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  Speaker 2: If the things you listed happened, that would be an
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary first two years of any administration in history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff to get right. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff to go right there. Yeah. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff to go right. All right. Phoenix asks, you
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  Speaker 1: guys spend a lot of time laying out a groundwork. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they all get together. And this was the resolution that
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  Speaker 1: they came up with. You guys spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time laying out a groundwork for what Democrats can, should do,
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: but it too often does not line up with what
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  Speaker 1: Democrats actually do, even when they seem like no-brainer, obvious choices.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Why do you think this is, and how much does
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  Speaker 1: it drive you crazy? And then in parentheses, our producer said,
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  Speaker 1: lots of questions about why Democrats are so bad with messaging.
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  Speaker 2: Because they updated the Apple podcast app, and these members
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: missed a lot of episodes. Yeah, a couple episodes in April,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get. I think it's because we have super
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  Speaker 2: thin majorities, President Biden does, and it's really hard to
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  Speaker 2: get people to agree to stuff, especially when they're acting
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  Speaker 2: in bad faith, like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
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  Speaker 3: They have to separate the messaging issue from the policy issue.
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  Speaker 3: I think the policy issue is actually easier to explain
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  Speaker 3: than the messaging issue. The policy issue is a world
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  Speaker 3: in which you have the consensus of 99% of Democrats
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  Speaker 3: and you have zero Democrats currently looks the same in
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  Speaker 3: terms of policy outcomes out of Congress because we are
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  Speaker 3: short two fucking votes from in the Senate because of
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: Cal Cunningham's lack of restraint and Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: Gideon's... It's apparently never been to Maine.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: Never been to Maine. She's like, it's so great to
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: be here. Is it Bangor? How do you say it here?
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I thought.
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  Speaker 2: Is it Bangor? It's not the one next to Vermont.
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  Speaker 2: Never said it out loud before. Bangor. I'm Sarah Gideon. Bangor.
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  Speaker 3: The point is, that is all very frustrating and we've
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  Speaker 3: all been frustrated by two years and I think there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people who, rather than... be adults about
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  Speaker 3: the reality that this requires nuance, understand, just simply blame
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  Speaker 3: Democrats online and social media, because I think it's more
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  Speaker 3: fun and easier to vent that way. The messaging question
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  Speaker 3: is harder. But one reason is everybody thinks of themselves
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  Speaker 3: as a messaging genius. And everybody sees things a little
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  Speaker 3: bit differently.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to put it on a bumper sticker. It's
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: got to be short enough for a bumper sticker. You
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  Speaker 1: hear that a lot from donors when you go to
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  Speaker 1: political events.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Especially in L.A.
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  Speaker 3: Two things you hear is you've got to be able
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: to put on a Burma sticker.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Why isn't there a purple party? I belong. I'm a
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  Speaker 2: rich cosmopolitan Angeleno. I'd like a purple party.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Those are fundraising events in Manhattan. And you get some
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: of that in San Francisco, too.
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  Speaker 2: L.A. too, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. la again i have a creative friend who can
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: do uh rights for television maybe they can help with
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: politics it's.
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  Speaker 5: About the story you tell this is scathing jesus here's
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  Speaker 5: the thing on the messaging front i will say having
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: worked in politics and government it is always uh easier
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  Speaker 5: to give advice from the cheap seats which is what
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  Speaker 5: we're sitting in right now um it also like you
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  Speaker 5: know what seems easy from the outside isn't necessarily easy
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  Speaker 5: inside like Maybe Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Manchin does something and you're in the White House and
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  Speaker 1: you want to tear him a new asshole. But you
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: know that you need his vote for, say, confirming Katonji
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  Speaker 1: Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court and which they got. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So like there's a lot of compromises that you have
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  Speaker 1: to make. So you can't necessarily just yell and scream
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  Speaker 1: like we get to do. I also think that messaging
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  Speaker 1: is hard because even if you have the messaging right,
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  Speaker 1: it has to still break through. And Democrats do not
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  Speaker 1: have a media apparatus to get their message out like
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  Speaker 1: Republicans do.
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  Speaker 2: And events in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Ukraine is going to dominate the news for
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  Speaker 2: the last seven weeks, no matter what.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that's actually a really big part of
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  Speaker 3: the problem, which is, you know, we yell at the
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  Speaker 3: people who will listen to us.
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  Speaker 2: It's easier.
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  Speaker 3: It's more fun to yell at somebody who responds. Democrats
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: yell at each other. They respond to each other. They
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  Speaker 3: engage each other. They debate each other. When meanwhile, you know,
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: we are dealing with a media environment, which there's really
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  Speaker 3: kind of like the stories are Democrats on defensive, Democrats
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  Speaker 3: out of touch, Democrats evil. Democrats divided. If it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: fit into one of those buckets, you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have stays and float doesn't stay above the above
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  Speaker 3: the water.
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  Speaker 1: I'll also say Dan always makes this point. We all
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  Speaker 1: have agency here, too. We are all messengers now because
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  Speaker 1: we all have Twitter, Facebook, Instagram accounts that we can
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  Speaker 1: use to post to. And, you know, I think it
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  Speaker 1: is everyone has every right and should push Democrats, push
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  Speaker 1: Democratic leaders to to pass legislation that that they want
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  Speaker 1: to push for policies that they believe in. But I
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: would just think to yourself as we head into the midterms,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: if you look at all your feeds and look at
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: all your posts, like what's the balance between criticizing Democrats
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  Speaker 1: for not doing enough and pointing out what Republicans are
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: doing and the choice in the election?
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: How many of you went on Twitter today and criticized
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden but didn't talk about what he did to
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: bring back the Mexican pizza?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Did he do that?
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: Under Joe Biden's predecessor, the Mexican pizza was lost. Under
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  Speaker 3: Joe Biden's administration, the Mexican pizza is back.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: This is a Taco Bell item?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: You bet it is. Is it good? Is it good?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tommy. Yeah, Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty good. It's a pretty good item.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, I would just say, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even saying like, oh, you got to give Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: more credit for shit. I'm saying like, we're heading into
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: an election where we want to frame it as a
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  Speaker 1: choice between the Democratic vision for the country and the
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  Speaker 1: Republican vision for the country. Republicans are doing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of bad shit. We should spend some time talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Again, that's not to give up your criticism of Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: Do that, too. Yeah, please. Just think about the balance.
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  Speaker 1: Think about the balance in your daily, in your output.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: And your input. And your input. Griffin asks, what's your
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  Speaker 1: favorite D.C. political scandal and why?
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  Speaker 2: The DJ?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, your friend, Dan.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're all probably thinking of the same scandal.
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  Speaker 2: You want to say it on three?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One, two, three.
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  Speaker 2: Teapot Dome. I fucking knew it. I knew he was
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: going to say Teapot Dome.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say Coke Orgies. Coke Orgies is
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  Speaker 1: my favorite. I knew it.
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  Speaker 3: There's two options for what that was going to be.
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  Speaker 3: It was either going to be Teapot Dome or XYZ Affair.
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  Speaker 2: What's the XYZ Affair? I don't know. It involves France.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Is that an old-timey one? You bet it is.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, I know you did some research on this, so
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: why don't you dig into some of your favorite scandals?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Teapot Dome, 1920s, oil companies bribe Warren G. Harding,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Secretary of the Interior, to get access to oil reserves
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: that had been cordoned off for the Navy, I believe.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Stacks of cash in bags. It was a murder-suicide.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: It was a murder-suicide?
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Harding was kind of a creep in his personal life
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: on top of that. Good stuff.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Wow. I don't know much about the teapot.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: I Googled it today.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Love it. You got any others?
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: No, mine was also the teapot dome scandal of the
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Harding administration.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I'll just add two. One is more of a political scandal,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: not as much of a D.C.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Scandal.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: But I was surprised to learn that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: before he was president, recruited sailors to go have gay
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: sex to prove that there were gay people in Newport,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Rhode Island.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: And they proved it.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would imagine so.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: They called them the Ladies of Newport. It's a dark scandal, actually.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: You want my Ron Contra notes? Yeah. Yeah.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Everything you researched, I want... You didn't do this for nothing.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: This is your opportunity.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: The one I thought we would chat about that I
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: thought you guys were there for and we all watched
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: happen was the Jack Abramoff scandal. Yes, because the emails
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: were so good. Yeah, it's a good one because it's like.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Frothy scandal in 2006.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Good old-fashioned bribery. But, I mean, I think Abramoff, that scandal...
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Jack Abramoff was a lobbyist and a lawyer who was
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: deeply connected in the Republican establishment. And I think When
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: what he did came out, it showed how morally bankrupt
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the biggest right-wing leaders are, right? It was Tom DeLay,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed, Newt Gingrich. And Jack Abramoff was
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: an absolute scumbag. He was getting money from the apartheid
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: South African government. He was lobbying on behalf of the
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Pakistani military after they tested a nuclear weapon and it
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: was disclosed. Yeah, and he just robbed his clients blind
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: by padding his time schedule online. And he'd put it
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: in emails, be like, add 660 hours to my billing
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: when I did two hours.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: And then there was moments where in the emails he
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: was like, he would just write in all caps, I
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: want their money! Exclamation point, which didn't look great. Dollar signs,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: dollar signs.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: And he was a producer on a Dolph Lundgren movie.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: None of these scandals are good. I think this one's
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: interesting and Ron Contra's interesting just because of what it
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: revealed about the broader system and how much money was
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: distorting politics.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: You talking about Jack Abramoff and all the shit he
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: did reminded me of Paul Manafort, Trump's first campaign manager,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: who got in plenty of trouble and then just recently
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: like Playbook interviewed him like, what's Paul Manafort up to
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: now and what does he think about how Joe Biden's doing?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: That really made me mad. It's like, what?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Why are we going to Paul Manafort for a quote now?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: He had great ties, Paul Manafort. I think he's back
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: in Congress.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And he's got his own fucking consulting firm now. That's
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: DC for you.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Jack Abramoff might be back.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Remember when Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: And the friend apologized. That's power.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: That was a weird one. That was a weird one.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Ron Contra is also telling one because you have the
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Reagan administration selling arms to to Iran despite an arms embargo.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And then the proceeds are supposed to go to the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Contras despite a provision passed by Congress specifically not allowing that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Seems clear that Reagan was in on it. George H.W.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Bush was in on it. And then George H.W. Bush
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: just pardons everyone. No one ever really talks about it again.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: There's no political fallout. Reagan was feinsteining pretty hard by
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: then too.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I got hung up on favorite DC political scandal and
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I went to the Trump year's and started thinking, like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: what was the dumbest but sort of fun scandal from
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the Trump era, since there were so many serious ones.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: And I just thought, all I could think of was
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Trump changing the weather map with the Sharpie.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: That was good.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Because he said that the hurricane was going to hit Alabama.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. The Weather Service had to correct him.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And so he's like, I'll correct the Weather Service. And
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: he just drew the line around Alabama.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: You know, it was a little one that we never
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: got to the bottom of. It was when Sandy Berger,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: who was a national security official in the Clinton administration,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: was caught stuffing... classified documents into his socks, and he
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: had apparently done it several times before potentially, and we
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: actually never found out why he was doing it or
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: if there's anything he's destroyed that we didn't have copies of.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: We literally never got a full, real explanation.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe he just wanted to work from home.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe the elastic on his socks kind.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Of was falling apart. It was the first foray into
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the remote work. It's like, I don't want to stay
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: in the office and have to look at the classified
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: documents here.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I want to go home. It's a work-life balance. Yeah,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Eddie Berger's doing a hybrid thing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Here's a question. Would you rather work in the Trump
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: cabinet or marry into the Trump family?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: How....
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, how far removed?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: That's all they gave us. You can take it wherever
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you want from there.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Ivanka, Don, or Eric?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Tiffany?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Tiffany, right. I always forget.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. I mean, so does her family.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like this is a harder question for me
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: than for you.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Because, like, what am I doing here?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Where do I go?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: There's nowhere to go.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't say Trump family. There could be, like, cousins.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Cousins?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I could marry Mary Trump. It could be, like, a
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: kind of... You know, what's that called? May-December, you know?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that's called.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're referring to.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Because she's an older gal. What's a May-December?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: May-December relationship, you know? I'll be like her, like, what
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: do you call it? Like a trophy husband. I'll be
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Mary Trump's trophy husband.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, is that how you think it would go?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: And then we'll take on Trump together. and never have
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: sex not once in the whole history of the thing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I just think I'd like work.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Zero times.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Work in the Trump cabinet.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Two bedrooms.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Do whatever I want and then get fired.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Write an anonymous op-ed.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: A lot of people thought they could do that. A
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: lot of people thought they could do that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Next thing I know, their husband's not getting endorsed in Pennsylvania.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: This one was paired with a, who would you want
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to be stuck on an island with? And I accidentally
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: answered that one. That's fine. And I thought Mark Meadows
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: because you could very easily trick him into giving you
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: his water and food provisions.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought because you wanted like a text buddy.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Or no, or Wilbur Ross because he would just be
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: napping and wouldn't talk.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: This question is from Not Jeff. That's what was the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Twitter name. The top three leadership positions of the House
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Dems have all been the same people since January 2007
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and they're all 80 plus years old. Aren't Dems encouraging
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the notion that they're out of touch and handicapping their
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: own chances? Isn't the lack of turnover hurting the party
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in the long run?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Hard disagree.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I hope Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer are in those
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: jobs 10 years from now.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge problem. Don't change horses midstream.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Tommy, what do you think?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Is this from not Jeff Moulton?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Hey.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously it matters. I mean, think about, we just
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: did a show in Boston where we had the mayor,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Michelle Wu, who I believe is 37 and Senator Ed Markey,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: who is.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The junior senator from Massachusetts in reverse.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And it was their, the experience they bring to bear,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: but their communication style, leadership style. I mean, like they
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: both were super interesting, compelling from different ways. And I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: think I, yes, there are some younger members of Congress
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: like Brian Schatz or Chris Murphy or others who just
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: communicate in a different way, have different priorities, have a
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: different style. And I think like it matters.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I think, um, Having an older senator or an older
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Speaker of the House, that in and of itself is
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: not an indictment at all, and they can be great leaders.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders is an older member of the Senate. He's
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: also one of the more exciting members.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: To a lot of young people. I was trying to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: get it. Ed Markey is super compelling and exciting, but
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: in a completely different way that I made the comparison
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: between him and Michelle Wu so interesting to me. You
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: can see different characteristics.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I think the point, the problem is the fact that
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: so many of the people in leadership are so old,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: it is a symptom of a larger problem, which is
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the failure to invest in young talent, the failure to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: build up new members of the party and give them
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: powerful positions. And then when you see someone like Brian
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Schatz go to the floor and deliver a kind of
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: withering indictment of Josh Hawley and is kind of live
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and on his feet and keeps up and is like
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: sophisticated and thinking in a forward-looking way about how we
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: should be messaging and how we should be fighting these fights.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: And then you look at the chairs of these committees,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of looking around through gray, watery eyes,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out what to do to respond to
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Ted Cruz.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It's a struggle. I believe Republicans tried to put term
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: limits on their committee chairs.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but AOC gets to Congress and is doing
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Instagram Lives, and it's like a revelation for all of Washington, D.C.,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: but she's just sort of like communicating like someone in
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that age range would do on a normal day. Yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I think there's two issues here. One is sort of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the younger members of Congress. I think the class of 2018,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of young members elected, especially on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the Democratic side, whether they were progressive or more moderate.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And sort of boxing them out from leadership has become
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a bit of an issue. And then there's just like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the average age of Congress as a whole is older.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And that just means we need more young people to run.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: For office. And that's something that everyone can fix by
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: just going to run for office and supporting young candidates
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: for office.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And run for something is doing that in organizations like that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So that's something to keep in mind.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Finally, someone asks, what's the most awkward thing Lovett said
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: or did in front of Barack Obama?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what this might be.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think of one embarrassing one, which....
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: It was when we were on some sort of trip,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: and he was going to a fundraiser, and it was
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: a fundraiser after the Play Sister Act. And he had
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: done a bunch of policy speeches, but then he was
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: landing in New York and going to this fundraiser, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: he came up to me and said, like, hey, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: have to go do this thing where there's a weird thing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I've got to go after this play has happened. Is
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: there some kind of joke you can give me? He
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: wasn't doing a formal speech or anything, but he said, hey,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: do you have a joke? it was so stupid what
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I said.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: What was it?
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: So what I said, I had a very stupid joke.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And so what I said was, I hope you enjoyed,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and it's bad. He said, I hope you, I said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: maybe you should say something like, I hope you enjoyed
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: sister act.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Say it. You let us.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Here's, here's my brother act. It was horrible. It was
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a horrible thing. I was on the spot. It was poorly.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And he just looked at me and he went, No.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And then he looked at his watch.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: He looked at his watch and he's like... He said
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: something like, I'm going to be busy for like an hour.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: See if you can beat that.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, I guess... See if you
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: can come up with something else. This is my funny guy?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: That was appalling.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And so then I just paced around for like an hour,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: freaking out. I have one more chance. I can't even give...
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, do I give him three... I have
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to just give him one joke. I wasn't even writing
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: anything down.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I just had to say.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I had to come up with one good joke for
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: him to use. And the joke, I was like, I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: need something that I know is going to work.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, wait.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Sister at convent. He likes jokes about his daughters.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Or I have something.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And so the joke I gave him, which he appreciated
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: and fixed my terrible blunder, was it is so great
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: to be here with all of you. Not only do
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: you get to see a wonderful play like Sister Act,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: but I'm doing research on the convent to send Malia after.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: She graduates high school.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I remember that joke.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And it was like he gave me a fist bump.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It repaired everything.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, it repaired the damage that I had done with
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: truly one of the dumbest things I've ever said out loud.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I have, I'm like sweating now thinking about it, not
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: like jokey, like in a kind of like, I am,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I am embarrassed.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you could advance that sort of like a
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: patriarchal kind of condescending.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: It is a toxic, is there toxic masculinity in the joke?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent, but I just needed to survive the day.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And sometimes you, and sometimes in a toxic masculine environment,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that is America.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Next time.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: You do what you do to survive.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Next time, Bubba will tell you the story about how
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: he pissed off Buzz Aldrin.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Another day. Another day.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Tune in next time. Pod Save America. You heard it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: here second.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I thought that you were going to tell the story
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: about the time you broke wind in the cabinet room.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I've farted in a lot of places, but I've never
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: farted in the cabinet room. Who was there? Ray LaHood
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: was there? Ray LaHood.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: He blamed it on Ray LaHood. I did. That was
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the problem.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Ray LaHood, what'd you have for lunch, Ray LaHood? You
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: quaint relic of an era where we put one Republican
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: like you on this thing?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: When we come back, Tommy's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Poor
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren has to follow this.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been sitting here the whole time waiting for
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: her turn. I am thrilled to welcome into the Los
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Angeles studio, Senator from Massachusetts, my home state, the Commonwealth.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get this wrong this time, Senator
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, and I am thrilled to be here with you.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It is wonderful.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: In Los Angeles.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice. Is it probably a little nicer here
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: than Boston right now?
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: We never use words like nicer. It's a little sunnier
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: here right now and a little warmer.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Warmer.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: But remember, there are always those Yankees who love it
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: gloomy and cold. Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: For me, it's like I call my mom. I'm like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: how is the weather, mom? She's like, you know, we
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: haven't been able to walk the dog yet because the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: snow is still eight inches high in May or whatever.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: So that's interesting that your mom's version is we haven't
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: been able to walk the dog. My husband, who was
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: born and raised in Massachusetts, his view is you can
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: walk the dog 365 days a year. Any one of
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: the 24 hours in that day. It makes absolutely no
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: difference what the weather is doing. You just have to,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: this is always his, dress appropriately.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: So I now have the weirdest assortment of boots and
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: rain gear and winter gear.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: The jacket that makes you a sausage.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, the jacket that makes me look like the Michelin
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: tire boy. And it turns out, Bailey... Totally agrees with him.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: All weather is golden retriever weather in Massachusetts.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Bailey is correct, per usual. Well, it's wonderful to have you.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Good to be here. It's good to chat about fun stuff.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Jump into the questions here, because I'm a Democrat. I'm
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a constitutionally nervous person. There is some polling that suggests
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: some headwinds for Democrats going into the midterms, to put
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it mildly. There was a poll out yesterday, April 12th.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: We're recording this on April 13th. out of Nevada, for example,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that showed President Biden at like a 35% approval rating.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Senator Cortez Masto, the governor, both underwater there. So, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell is out there salivating. You know, the vampire
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: can predict a bloodbath. He says it's the worst political
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: environment for Democrats since 94. What do you think we
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: do to right the ship between now and November?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I think we need to get stuff done. And that's
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the G-rated version of it. We really need... to finish
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: delivering on some big deal promises we made during the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: 2020 election. And on the ones we can't deliver on
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: because we don't have 50 votes, then we need to
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: be shown swinging the bat as hard as we can. Look,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell and the rest of the Senate and House
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Republicans want to keep the whole conversation as we roll
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: into 2022 about the militant left and their version of
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: whatever they think they can raise hell.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: About this year. Whatever culture war.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Because remember, they do not want to talk about
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: what actually needs to be done in this country. Because
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell's plan is to do nothing. He said this
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: quite openly. I don't have to make this up.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: He brags about it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he brags about it. He says, put the Republicans
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: in charge and we will make sure nothing happens. And
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: that goes to the heart of what his whole party
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: is about. This is a party that has exactly two ideas.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Whatever goes wrong, they have two ideas. One is to
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: cut taxes and the other is to put a bunch
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: of extremists on the Supreme Court and lower courts. who
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: will impose their extremist ideas, their extremist religious ideas on
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: the rest of America. And so the worst that could
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: happen from Mitch McConnell's point of view is if we're
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: actually talking about the things we've gotten done and the
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: additional things we are going to do if you give
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: us a couple of more Democrats in the Senate and
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: hang on to the House.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Totally agree with you there. The other sort of challenge
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: looming in the background is inflation hit 8.5% in March.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of reasons why that we can get into.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we actually listeners would love to hear your
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: sort of thoughts on why. I've heard you talk about
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and other Democrats talk about how corporate greed and record
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: profits for corporations is leading to inflation. The White House
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: is calling it Putin's price hike because we're seeing energy
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: prices go up because of the war. I think both
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of those points are helpful. Those are good explanations that
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: can help me understand why all of a sudden commodities
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: are so expensive. But I'm worried that those explanations are
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: less helpful when it comes to winning a political argument
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that Republicans will make that is going to be basically
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Democrats are in charge. Everything is more expensive. If you're
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: pissed about how much it costs to fill up your truck,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: vote Democrats out. Vote for us Republicans. How do you
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: think we take on that political fight?
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: So we do it two ways. One is let's talk
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: about the rest of the economic news as well. A
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: little over a year ago. The economists, pundits were saying
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: it would take about, most were saying around four years
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: for us to get unemployment back to where it was
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: before the pandemic started. Same thing on GDP growth. GDP
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: growth is zooming ahead. And as you know, unemployment rates
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: are at historic lows. The president's administration has created more
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: than 7 million new jobs. That is the most new
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: jobs created in any administration in the first 14 months
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: in our entire history. We need to be talking about that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Are you surprised by that number, that success?
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Well, actually, you know, the pieces fit together. I'm not
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: at all surprised. We got out there just about a
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: year ago right now and passed what was called the
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: American Rescue Package. And you may remember, it was a
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: lot of money, but it was money that went into
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: vaccines and and kind of the community health center way
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: of getting the distribution out. It was money that went
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: into getting our schools open again and making sure they
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: would have the resources to do that. And it was
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: money that went into small businesses to keep those little
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: businesses open and to keep jobs open. And it worked.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: People have jobs. And that 7 million figure, that's not
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: just an abstraction. Those are 7 million people who went
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: home on payday and had enough money to buy groceries,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: who were able to make rent, whose kids stayed in school,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: people who didn't have to move, people who didn't get
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: foreclosed against. And yes, putting that money in at the
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: same time that you then turned around and hit shifts
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: in demand because of the pandemic, supply chain kinks because
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: of the pandemic. Putin, both driving up the cost of
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: oil and the cost of wheat and soy and other
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: things that are produced in Ukraine. But the other one
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: is watching the giant corporations, particularly where there's a lot
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: of concentration. These giant corporations said, hmm, everyone's talking about
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: price increases. This, they saw it, was their chance to
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: to pass along costs, okay, that much I get, but
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: to take another dollop on the price scale and just
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: boost their profits. So we've got all these companies that
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: are at record profits, and because of increased concentration, there's
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: no way to compete those prices back down. So you've
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: got these multiple threads running through here. So my view
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: on this, first, is it's not going to look like
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: this in another five months. It will be different. Now,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: will it be enough? Will inflation be down? I can't
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: make that prediction. But we do know supply chain kinks
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: are working their way out. We don't know what will
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: happen with the pandemic. We do know people have their jobs.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: But what we need to be doing is we need
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: to be talking about the good economic news that is
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: in part tied to the challenges of inflation. And we
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: need to be talking about the causes of this inflation.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: And I want to say here, talk about, talk about.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: It's not just talk about. Let's give a little credit.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: The president of the United States, focus in, for example,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: on price gouging. He's put the dream team in the field.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Lena Kahn at the FTC. Go get them, Lena Kahn.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: And Jonathan Cantor over at the Department of Justice. Fabulous.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: The president himself has put out an executive order requiring
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: every agency around government to look at concentration, price gouging, competition,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: encouraging competition. And that's true at the Department of Agriculture.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: It's true over at the defense contractors that there's a
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: big push throughout government. And the importance of that is
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: is to recognize it's been 40 years since there's been
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: any real push to enforce antitrust laws and to remind
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: ourselves that all these folks who purport to love a
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: market economy don't actually seem to want to see a
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: competitive market. Fine for other people, but not for them.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: And the role of government is to keep those markets
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: more competitive. And the president's team is already beginning to
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: deliver on that. And they got a lot more in
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: the pipeline.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: That's good. That's good news. One interesting piece of this
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: economic puzzle that's hopeful, and we actually put out a
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: request for questions from our audience. We got a bunch
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of different versions of this one, which is, you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the past month we've seen some pretty amazing success for
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: organized labor in America.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I was just going to go there. Like, is this
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: so fabulous? You can't believe it. So 7 million new jobs.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I put it in the personal immediately. People who could
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: go home at night and know they still had a
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: job the next morning. But the rest of it is
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: enough worker power for the first time again in like
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: two generations where the baristas at Starbucks are making it happen.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: The people packing at Amazon are making it happen.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: 16 locations in Starbucks locations so far. Yep.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Two of them in the Boston area.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: There we go. The ALU organized a warehouse in Staten Island.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So those are big wins. What can the government, the Congress,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the administration do to To put some wind in their
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: sails and help those efforts.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Well, partly we need to be cheering them on, which
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I'm certainly doing. But partly it helps enormously to have
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Democrats over the Department of Labor and have an NLRB,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: have a Department of Labor that's willing to enforce the
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: labor laws.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: That's helpful.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very helpful because if you're not
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: in the middle of these, it's easy to miss how
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: much when these employers come in with all their muscle,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: think about what it's like. to try to organize a
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: place like Amazon.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Howard Schultz was calling labor leaders saying, you don't want
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to do this. You don't want to do this. This
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: is back in the day.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. No, but it's true.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Same kind of thing at Amazon. They call all the
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: workers in and, you know, in effect have these sessions
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: where they tell them how terrible it's going to be
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: if the union takes over. They've got all these union
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: busting law firms and PR firms that This is how
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: they get paid. They figured out which buttons to push
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: to terrify workers if they decide to vote for a union.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: And frankly, many times, it appears, they break the law. Well,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: we now have an NLRB. We now have a secretary
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: of labor willing to enforce the laws.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: So there's more that needs to be done. There's a
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: PRO Act pending that would make it easier for workers
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: to unionize. I'm all for that. I will push it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: I will push it. I will push it. We need
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: to get it through the Senate. But just using the
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: tools we've got available, letting workers say to each other,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: you know, I think we can do this. And then
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: having the government to say, to the Starbucks of the world, hey,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: back off and let them decide what they want to do.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Right. No intimidation.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: That's terrific.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe we could unionize Jeff Bezos' little Starship flight crew.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I love it. Just a thought. This is a long
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: question because it's a hobby horse of mine, so just
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: bear with me. Listeners might have heard of a person
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: named Jared Kushner. There's a long report about him in
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the New York Times this week. The context for everyone
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: to know is, you know, Jared Kushner is married Ivanka Trump.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: His father-in-law becomes president. He appoints himself the shadow secretary
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: of state with no experience. He becomes the de facto
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: point guy for the U.S.-Saudi relationship. Did a lot of
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: favors for the now Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Most infamously, Jared reportedly helped cover up MBS's role in
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, who is a Washington Post
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: journalist who just brutally executed. So in the Times earlier
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: this week, we learned that Jared received a $ 2 billion,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: billion with a B, investment, in air quotes, from a
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Saudi investment fund, despite serious concerns from the fund's professional
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: oversight board. Some of those concerns were Jared's company's inexperience,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: their operations were a mess, the fees were too high.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: This is my favorite. Jared created a public relations risk
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: for them, the Saudi government, who brutally executes journalists. Um,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Live with that one, Jared. So MBS overruled these objections.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: He cuts Jared a $ 2 billion check. In my mind,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I read this story and I think, using your White
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: House job to help a foreign dictator evade responsibility for
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a murder and then getting a $ 2 billion kickback is
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: one of the most staggeringly corrupt things I've ever heard.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Is there a role for DOJ or Congress or any
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: entity to look into this, to scrub this?
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: So the answer is yes. Actually, can we put one
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: more little piece in?
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Please.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: You left the little piece of parsley that you put
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: on the side of the plate when you're serving this up.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: As I understand it, there was also a requirement that, yes,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Jared would now be the manager of this fund, but
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: he actually had to hire real people who knew what
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: they were doing to run it. He will just get
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: a management fee, but on what appeared to be the
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: promise that he will never actually do any work. That's
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: part of the agreement.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Sweet gig.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: It is kind of a sweet gig there. Insulting, but sweet.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Or just revelatory, maybe is the right word. So look,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: I think there's a question that the Department of Justice
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: should take a really hard look to see if that
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: fits within any of our current... I mean, it is
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: a kind of shaggy dog version of how you get
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: to what's going on here. Does it violate any of
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: our criminal laws? And I'd want to take a hard
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: look at that. But there's a second thing that maybe
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I just always go back to what's the tool in
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: front of me since I'm not over at DOJ. I'm
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: in the Congress. And I think this is a moment
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: when Congress needs to do a lot more about corruption.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Amen.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: And I mean.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: We have to do on corruption.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And you've been good inside the House, outside the House.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: You've been calling for a lot of reforms. I'm hoping
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you can elaborate on that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: So let's just start with one across the board. It
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: wouldn't apply to Jared, but it tells you about where
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: we are if we can't do this. So I have
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: a bipartisan, did you hear me say that? Bipartisan bill
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: with Senator Daines. And the two of us have a
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: bill that say, if you're a member of Congress and
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: You cannot buy stock. You cannot sell individual stock. You
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: cannot own individual stock. And neither can your spouse. And
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: that's just the deal. If you want to be in
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: the stock market, you can be in mutual funds, in
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: index funds.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But that's it. This is public service. You can buy
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: all of the stocks if you want. You can buy
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: an S & P index fund. You can buy an
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: all Dow Jones index fund. Have at it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Have at it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: You just can't buy individual companies that you might regulate.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. You just can't do that anymore.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: What's the argument against that?
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Well, there are some people who say, but I like
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: trading in individual stocks.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. Sure.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And I get that. I try. Actually, I don't try
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: to be respectful. I'm trying to think. I try to
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: keep a straight face. But the bottom line is we
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: got to do this. And I use this as an example.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: We need to start sweeping out the stables around Congress.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: And let me be blunt. That should be the law
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: for Congress. It should also be the law for every
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: federal judge. It should also be the law for every member,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: the governors of the Federal Reserve. And obviously should be
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: the rule for everybody who heads up a cabinet agency
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: or any of our independent agencies. agencies and government. This
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: is just how it should be. And I think of
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: this as this is step one. This is clean up
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: the filth on the floor 101. And we get this done,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: and then we move on to other questions involving conflict
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: of interest, involving taking care of yourself instead of the
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: people who elected you to be here.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Listen, I have so much respect for Speaker Pelosi and
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of members of the Democratic Party, but this
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: is one where I think some folks are just on
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the wrong side of the issue. Speaking of the stock market,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: it has been interesting for me to watch the emergence
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: of apps like Robinhood and the gamification of stock purchases,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: stock trading. There was the fun moment of AMC and
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: GameStop and screwing over hedge funds and Wall Street. We
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: could all cheer for that, but on every winning transaction
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: on Wall Street, there's a losing transaction. And there's emerged
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: this sort of like, excuse my French, but shit posting culture, right?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Where Elon Musk is tweeting about Dogecoin to the moon
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: or buying a huge stake in Twitter and failing to
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: disclose it on time and sort of trolling his way
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: onto the board. Is that a cultural problem? Is there
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a lack of regulation there? Like, how do you view
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: this kind of new iteration of how stocks are being bought, sold,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: and traded by retail investors.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: So I think of this as markets are great, including entertaining.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: And I'm all for that. Have at it, baby. But
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: there's got to be a cop on the beat. And
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: the cop on the beat says, there are certain things
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: you can do. You can get out there and you
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: can wag your fanny and do whatever you want. But
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: there are certain other things you can't do. Pump and dumps,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: are illegal. You've got to disclose beneficial ownerships and, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: so on and so forth. The rules are there. And frankly,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: for a long time, we haven't had much of a
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: cop on the beat. The Donald Trump years is if
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: there was a cop on the beat, I swear, the
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: cop had a hood over his head, you know, tightly wrapped,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: could not hear, could not see, could not speak, saw
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: no evil, right? But the But the second half of
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: this is the half in the crypto world where there's
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: really no cop on any part of the beat because
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: nobody can even figure out who's the right cop in
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: this circumstance. It's kind of like your question about Kisagi
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: about where exactly is this wrong? And it's the reminder
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: you have to keep changing the laws as the world
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: innovates into new ways. of cheating people. And if you
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: think making money by cheating people is okay, then you're
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: in one part of the world. But if you actually
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: think just some basic rules of the road that, I'll
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: give you an example. You put money on one of
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: the crypto exchanges and you want to be able to
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: get it out. You put in a hundred bucks. How
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: much is it going to cost you to get it out?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: The fees are massive.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: It can cost you $ 40 to get your money back out.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: And that's not always made clear right up front. Or
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: you want to be able to get your money out,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: and it turns out you want to get yours out
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: because there's a run. A lot of other people are
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: trying to get theirs out. That the exchange can decide
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: to privilege its insiders, its buddies, the people who own
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: the exchange. And you can get yours out in about
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: 28 more hours. after which, of course, the price has
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: gone to nothing. And my point around all this is
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: there need to be basic rules. When people think that
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: they're entering markets, every market has got to have somebody
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: there who says, hey, here are the posted rules, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: here's the cop who's going to enforce those rules. And
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: right now, we don't have that in crypto. And without that,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: It's a place that it works great for the insiders.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: And it can work great for a little while for
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: some people. But it's also a terrible place for people
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: to get fleeced.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And you have trillions of dollars in value that have
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: been created out of literally nothing, you know? And you
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: have now an enormous industry built around cryptocurrencies and incredibly
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: rich people and corporations who are now seeking to write
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: these laws, both in the federal level, on the state level.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Does that concern you? I mean, I look around at,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of basic taxation laws and you look
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: at the fact that South Dakota has now become maybe
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: the world's premier tax shelter. You know, we used to
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: make fun of the Cayman Islands or Swiss banks. It's
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: now South Dakota. It's the best place to hide your
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: money from law enforcement, taxes, an ex-husband, you know, and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: it's unbelievable.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: And, you know, the thing is when you talk about
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: creating something out of air, remember where we were in
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: the early 2000s? And so they kept pushing those subprime mortgages.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: And everybody ends up with subprime mortgages. And then they
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: came up with all those new instruments, the derivatives. And
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: the idea was that somehow you took this big blob
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: of hamburger and you just kind of kept padding it
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: and reforming it and sold it as filet mignon.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Do you remember this?
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. The credit default swaps.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Stakes all the way down. You know, that it was
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: so valuable.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Everything's AAA rated. It was.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: It all became.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: You took a bunch of trash and it all became
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: AAA rated. And the... The thing always was, well, but
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: this is new. This is exciting. You want to get
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: in on it. And people would always glance in the
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: rearview mirror and they'd say, look how far we've come.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Those derivatives were only worth $ 1. 95 yesterday and today they're
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: worth $ 9, 400, 000 million bazillion dollars. Don't you want to be
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: in on the ride?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: FOMO, yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. FOMO, FOMO, FOMO. And the problem was they
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: didn't have enough to back them up. They had something,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: the homes ultimately, but they didn't have enough to back
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: them up. On crypto, there ain't no there there.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's not always an asset underlying the tokenization. Not
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: always an asset. I'm sorry. I mean, well, and sometimes
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the asset that sort of tokenizes like an NFT. Oh,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: the NFTs.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I get you on NFTs. I'm just talking about plain
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: old bitcoins.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: And, you know, even the ones that are stable coins,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: you know, the ones that say we are pegged one
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: to one to the dollar. There's no cop actually checking.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Is there a dollar to back this up? And when
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: some of these folks have been challenged on. So show
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: us your paperwork to show us how this is a
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: one for one. They can't actually come up with documentation
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: that shows they've got it. So. it's a circumstance where
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: it's got every flashing light that a lot of good
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: and decent folks are going to lose everything.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And look, every time I talk about crypto on
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: a show, I get yelled at from people on Twitter,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: usually with laser eyes, which for God's sake, people just
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: come on. But there are applications, I think, to cryptocurrency
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: that are interesting. There's ways you can code ownership into
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: You know, NFTs, it's interesting. That helps artists. It helps musicians.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I think the.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: NFT, that's a different thing.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: I think the NFT is interesting. I think blockchain is interesting.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: But the idea that somehow they're building wealth through an
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: alternative money system that has nothing that backs it up
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: except we all believe it is valuable.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: You know, it's the tulip bulbs. That's what immediately comes
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: to mind. As long as we all believe that it works.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: And the same kind of billionaire evangelists, whether it's Marc
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Andreessen or A16Z or Jack Dorsey or Peter Thiel telling us, look,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: we know that, you know, Twitter, Facebook, all these things
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: we created turned out badly. But trust us again this time.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: This time it's going to work.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Trust us with undoing fiat currency.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Seems like a bad idea.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that was uplifting. Switching gears a little bit. So
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: we're starting, you know, the January 6th committee has been
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: doing tons of work behind the scenes. We're starting to
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: see bits and pieces of it in court cases, et cetera.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: You're also starting to hear some frustration from January 6th
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: committee members and the Democrats generally. I mean, committee members
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: are frustrated that DOJ has not enforced contempt citations when
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: witnesses don't cooperate. Some Democrats just feel like, hey, Merrick Garland,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: pick up the pace. After the midterms, this committee might
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: not exist and we need to get a move on
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: when it comes to prosecuting these ringleaders. Do you share
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: those frustrations?
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I look at it this way. Donald Trump thought that
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: the Department of Justice worked for him. And that was
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: a terrible, terrible moment in our history. The Department of Justice...
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: is headed by an attorney general who makes independent evaluations.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: And I think that's important. And I have a lot
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: of respect for an attorney general like Merrick Garland, who says,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: I'm not here to be stampeded in a moment of politics.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I make decisions based on what I believe the law
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: to be, and I will follow through, whether it's popular
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: or not. And he would say the same thing that
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: he's following in the tradition, think of it the other
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: way around, of Robert Kennedy. who said, I'm going down
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: to Alabama, and I'm going to help out people who've
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: been barricaded in Montgomery. I'm going to offer protection, even
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: though it's going to be politically unpopular. There's an importance
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: for insulating because the driving truth of the Department of
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Justice has to be rule of law, and rule of
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: law applied regardless of what your politics are. So I
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: start by saying plenty of respect for that.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: But I also want to say hubba-bubba for what it
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: is that the House has been up to in their
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: January 6th commission. Can we just put in a short commercial?
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Shame on the Republicans in the Senate who would not
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: permit the inquiry into an armed insurrection against the United
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: States of America.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: They voted against letting the Senate participate in that. I
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: think that is just wrong and shows both how afraid
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: they are of what would come out and how they
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: are willing to follow Donald Trump like lemmings over the cliff.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: But having said that, House has gone forward and has uncovered.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, just to me, it feels like every day.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: So what is going to be today's revelation.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: About- Ginny Thomas's hobbies are very weird. Yes, we're learning
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Wow. And we always keep rethinking like, hmm, how could
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: it be that Clarence Thomas was voting on something that
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: would affect whether or not the rest of us learned
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: about what Ginny Thomas, potentially, learned about what Ginny Thomas
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: was up to? So I cheer on what the House
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: has done. And their committee is making all of this public. Hello,
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: we're out here making this public. That's what they're doing.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: And I say good for them. And it's an act
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: of self-discipline. But I hope, I trust, I believe that
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: we have an attorney general who is looking at all
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: of the evidence that gets produced from wherever it gets produced.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: And that he will make an independent decision based on
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: rule of law that will follow through and hold people
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: responsible for an armed insurrection against the United States of America.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I hope so, too.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: We got, you know, today we're reading about Trump aides,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: some guy named Jason Sullivan telling a group of supporters
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: that they need to go to D.C. to descend on
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: the Capitol. You got Donald Trump Jr., forwarding along the
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: plans for the insurrection before the votes had, you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: had been, election had been called.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: You've got to say, they knew, right? You've got, what
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: is it, a seven-hour gap in the president's phone logs,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: just one piece after another.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of, a lot of smoke there.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: A lot of smoke.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Final question. You just went through a Democratic primary process that,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: you know, had Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina. There's
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: a bunch of conversations happening now about whether that process
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: should be rethought, reconfigured, and whether, in particular, Iowa and
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: New Hampshire should go first, whether there should be any caucuses.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I had the great privilege of working in Iowa, spending
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of time with your staff in Iowa. I
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: have a lot of fondness for the kind of politics
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: that came out of a caucus, the community meetings, the
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: way people are forced to talk to their neighbors when
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: you actually care about being someone's second choice, right? You're
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: not just beating them with a bat every day. You're
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: trying to convince people. Do you think it's time to
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: reform this process? And are there ways you think it
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: could be better?
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's time to reform the process. And I
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: say that truly loving parts of what's there and hope
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: that we can genuinely hang.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: On to them.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel too, parts.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Parts.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: But parts is parts. You know, you've got to hold
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: on to the parts. I love the fact, think of
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: it this way. If the first primary were in California,
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: and I say this, you know, it's sunny out there.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: It's beautiful. I love you, California. But if the first
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: primary were in California, then the whole process would be
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: almost exclusively about raising money and going on TV because
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: you can't meet enough people in California. It's just too
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: big an electorate, right? If we did a national primary,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: I know some people talk about national primaries, then it's
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: all Who wins? It's going to be Michael Bloomberg.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Because he's the only one who has the money from
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: the first day.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Unless you get to him first.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Well, there is that. But so you've got to think
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: about how do you get it down to a part
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: where you can still meet people.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Some retail politics.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Some retail politics. And I think retail politics are important
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: because I think, at least for me, I learned a ton.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: On retail politics. Now, on the other hand, look, the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: person in our party who lost Iowa pretty badly and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: lost New Hampshire pretty badly still got the nomination. So
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: I think we have to think about how all those
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: pieces fit together. And yes, it troubles me that you'll
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: be three elections in before there's a significant participation by
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: people of color.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: And that's troubling.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: So how to re-divide that as Democrats? I don't know.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's hard. And I think, look, I'm going
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: to just be blunt. One of the reasons it's hard
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: is Iowa, this is a big deal for Iowa.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: And they make big money. We were in motels that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: I used to think, I think I know why this
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: motel is here.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: This motel is here because the caucuses.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: And that's immediate impact. Then you get to the ethanol
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: industry and farm subsidies.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's troubling. And the problem
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: is the person who has the most power to change it,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: by definition, is the one who just won. So they
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: never have any incentive. And most of the people who've
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: really ground through the process most will never do it again.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of, okay, I'm past that and moved on.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: But I think putting some real thoughtfulness into how we
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: get representation and yet keep it as an on-the-ground dirt
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: under the fingernails, I'd be ready to help in that conversation.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. I lied. Final, final question. Final, final. So we
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: here at Crooked Media, we are trying to get people
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: fired up for the midterms. All right. We have a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: midterm madness program. We're trying to break people up into regions,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: get them to volunteer.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Super, super.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: We have lots of fun stuff. It's a little harder
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: this time than it was in 2018. You know, there's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: some people who feel like, you know, Biden said he
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: was going to get rid of student debt. We haven't
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: canceled it yet. Joe Manchin is really bumming me out.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: You guys have the trifecta. We can't get stuff done.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: What's your elevator pitch to all the folks out there
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: who might be on the fence about getting involved this
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: time about why they should?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Roe versus Wade. The other side has been voting Supreme
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: Court for 40 years now. And the Supreme Court has
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: got its toes on the line to end women's access
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: to abortion.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma just did.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. You know, can we pause for one second? You
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: think about the fact that Oklahoma just passed a law
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: to ban abortion effectively. It clearly violates Roe versus Wade.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: They couldn't wait three more months until the Supreme Court
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: tosses Roe versus Wade into the trash bin, they are
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: so confident. They are so sure that they are right.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: They want to be out ahead of this, and they're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: willing to thumb their noses at the United States Supreme
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Court current rule, knowing that this extremist Supreme Court will
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: back them up. Okay, so I just want to say
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: to everybody who's listening, if you care, Roe versus Wade
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: are only chance To protect a woman's right to an
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: abortion is if we get two more senators on the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Democratic side in the Senate and hang on to the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: House because we can create by statute. We don't have
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: to rely on the Supreme Court. Second one is climate.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: The other side has made clear. Their view on climate
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: is burn some more oil. Drill, baby, drill. if we're
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: going to have any chance to save this planet, the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: Democrats are our best hope. This is what we've got.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: We've got the plans. We know all the directions to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: go in. We're ready to spend the money. We're ready
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: to tax the billionaires to spend the money. Again, we
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: need one or two more senators on the Democratic side.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: Third one, student loans. President can do it. And I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: am very, very hopeful that that he will do it
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: before the election and remind everybody in this country first
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: that he fights for them. He fights for the 42
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: million Americans who are struggling with student loan payments. He
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: fights for the 40% of them who don't have a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: college degree. He fights to help close the racial wealth gap.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: President canceling $ 50, 000 of student loan debt is the single
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: most effective thing he can do to close The black-white
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: wealth gap among people with student loan debt by 27 points,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: same thing for the Latino white wealth gap. He wants
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: to fight on the side of people who need his help,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: and he is willing to deliver. And if he does
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: those things, then by damn, we need to show up
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: and be ready to vote, to turn out that vote,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: to get everybody engaged, because it will be a reminder
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: not only that the president cares, But that your vote matters.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: So three issues.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: There we go. We've got to do them. You heard
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: it here first, everyone. Senator Warren, thank you so much
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: for coming in. It's great to see you. Thanks for
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: firing us up. And let's do it.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you to Elizabeth Warren for joining the show. We'll
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: we'll talk to you on Thursday. Pod Save America is
• 1:05:56
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• 1:05:59
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• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Haley Muse, and Olivia Martinez is our associate producer. It's
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  Speaker 1: mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick. Kyle Seglin and Charlotte
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  Speaker 1: Landis sound engineer the show. Thanks to Tanya Sominator, Sandy Gerrard,
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  Speaker 1: Hallie Kiefer, Ari Schwartz, Andy Taft, and Justine Howe for
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  Speaker 1: production support. And to our digital team, Elijah Cohn, Phoebe Bradford,
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  Speaker 1: Milo Kim, and Amelia Montu. Our episodes are uploaded as
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  Speaker 1: videos at youtube.com slash crookedmedia.