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The Co-Host Takes the Chair: Meet Heather White | Go Wildly Podcast · Go Wildly Podcast

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  Welcome to Season 2 of Go Wildly podcast.
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  We are Emily and Heather, 2 childhood friends who carry a
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  mic into wild places like rivers, trails, and forests with
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  wild people to host raw, honest conversations about adventure,
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  healing, identity, and the transformative power of nature.
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  In this season, we're centering the voices of people who call
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  Southern Oregon home. Outdoor enthusiasts and outdoor
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  professionals whose lives have been shaped, changed, or are
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  continually influenced by time outside.
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  Come along as together we go wildly.
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  Hey, you wildly wonder. Thank you so very much for
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  listening to the podcast. It means the world to us.
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  over there. OK, back to the show, what that
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  was about what we just make sure that we said the mic is on or
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  the mic's working. Are they on?
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  Yes, they are on in stereo. OK.
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  I am CI am actually ARC and I'm B in your OK, so you our OK
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  filming to this secret spot. Well, it's not really a secret,
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  but. Don't step in that shit.
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  EW, that's a dog poo poo in the middle of the trail.
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  How dare you. Yeah, this.
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  I mean, all last summer I could hardly get this little spot that
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  I like because people are down here a lot, which I was just
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  telling Emily me before I turn, we turn the camera on that
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  that's the whole point of the pod.
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  And you know, not, I was going to say unfortunately,
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  unfortunately, but like the whole point of the pod is to
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  inspire people to get outside more.
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  So the whole point of our like lives.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's like inspiring people to
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  experience outdoors because it's amazing and wonderful and great
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  in a healthy way that supports the environment and stuff, you
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  know, of course and safe and safe, but still like, so that's
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  awesome that people were taking up my quote UN quote secret
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  secret spot this last summer. So, you know, I don't know.
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  And it's a fine line. We were just talking about that
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  because there was a video that went viral somewhere in the
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  outdoor world of a gal talking about like keeping your secret
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  spots secret. But like, that's gatekeeping and
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  like everybody should be able to experience the outdoors.
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  However, we just need to learn proper etiquette in the
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  outdoors. Absolutely, Because so much of
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  that gatekeeping, while it is in some ways selfish so that people
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  can keep a place for themselves, it also is underneath that like
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  an intention of conservation, of conserving the place.
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  Because when beautiful places get overrun with humans, it more
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  often than not loses its beauty. It gets covered in trash and it
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  gets over industrialized and developed and we lose that.
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  That's why innate beauty, and that's why protecting like
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  public lands is so important. Yeah.
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  But hopefully we in like management of public lands.
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  So like, so just hopefully we're all able to like, I don't know,
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  just take in that etiquette of what's needed.
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  Like if somebody gets inspired to get off the couch and you
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  know, get outside for a few hours, great.
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  That's exactly what we're trying to do this down here.
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  I thought so, and I hoped so. That looks cute.
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  But, you know, we got to do it in a healthy way.
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  I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
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  We have to have places that are ready to receive large loads of
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  people and are large. Loads of foot.
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  And are are maintained, are taken care of, that are well
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  funded so that people can have good jobs out here maintaining
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  the lands that we want to recreate and relax on and.
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  This landscape really changed. Yeah, from high.
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  Water from high water, Yeah, this little gravel gravely bar
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  here is usually not that big. It's the perfect size for us.
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  It is. Size matters.
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  That it does. That's what I keep hearing.
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  I want this house across the way, though.
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  We'll talk a little bit about this like I would love this.
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  Yeah, a little deck. I love me a little deck.
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  I thought you said size matters. But I love me a little deck
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  DECK. Yeah, size still matters on
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  that. I have a huge deck.
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  You want a little deck? I mean, I don't want to.
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  Is my deck too big for you? No, your deck fits your house.
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  That deck over there is small and mighty.
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  It's, you know, it's working with a lot.
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  It's working. It's working with a lot.
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  You know, it's, it's what it, it's blending into its
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  surroundings. Yeah, it's sitting alone by the
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  river, which is what I love to do also.
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  Yeah. I love to sit alone by the
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  river. So let's do it.
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  Let's set up our little chair skis.
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  I also love to sit with you by the river.
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  Yeah, so special, So special. This.
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  This spot's going to be so blown out this summer.
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  Yeah, yeah. Because it's now the hot in the
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  summer, but there's room for like two or three groups here.
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  We should sit here and put the camera in the shade.
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  Yeah. Because I'd love to be in the
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  sun. Yeah, there's me too.
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  There's room for plenty of plenty of people.
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  I think there is for room for plenty of little groups here,
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  which is good. Which is also something we got
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  to note that like just to go into the wild knowing that you
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  could share space with somebody. And it's an opportunity for you
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  to learn to like exercise, social exercise, your friendship
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  making, exercise, building community exercise, you know,
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  just like tolerance. Absolutely.
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  So you never know if your best friend is going to be behind
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  that tree. Yeah, it might be a really cool
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  connection, but for me, in my real estate world, you just
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  never know when somebody's going to be paying you thousands of
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  dollars. To hang out with you to.
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  Pretty much hang out and we'll just like go shoot the shit and
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  like drive around and look at places like, yeah, it's a, it's
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  a thing, yeah. So to me.
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  I probably can't count on one hand how many times I've met
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  somebody when I was out in the outdoors hanging out.
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  What about that? Became like a great friend.
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  Oh my God, yeah, the. First, call back to.
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  We this, we don't know when this episode in particular is going
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  to come out, so the timeline is going to be skewed here, but we
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  just celebrated our the anniversary of publishing our
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  first episode. And we got 1000 followers.
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  Thank you, thank you guys. Thank, thank you.
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  That's. Like, really wild.
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  I know it. Is they're all very wildly.
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  I'm very grateful. Me too, and all organic, all
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  people who just actually found us grassroots babies like us.
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  No paid advertising. None.
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  I mean, what have we? We've probably spent what, a
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  couple 1000 bucks? In producing, Yeah.
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  Oh, maybe not even that. Yeah.
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  So like, this is grassroots, baby.
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  Yeah. And we're.
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  No, you know, I don't know. It's just a little time, right?
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  I guess time is money if you count.
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  That, but entirely, I mean, yeah, I, I quit basically a full
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  time job to do this unpaid to build it right.
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  So time it time absolutely is money.
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  Yeah. And also we we get to choose how
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  we spend our time. And I, well, I'm fortunate
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  enough to be in a position that I can make that choice, right?
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  And I, but yet it doesn't mean it's not a sacrifice, right?
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  But I I chosen sacrifice. Oh my God, I thought you were
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  going to say chode. Chode no.
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  You did though. I know.
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  But anyway, so yeah, we just celebrated the one year
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  anniversary of publishing our first episode.
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  And to that, in that same vein of talking about making friends
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  when we're out doing adventures, the first episode that we went
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  and filmed, which was not the first episode that we published,
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  but the first episode that we went out and filmed, if you
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  remember it, it's episode 4, I believe, with Diana Mutula.
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  And we are sitting on the top of Bolt Mountain and this lovely
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  young couple arrives and approaches us and asks what
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  we're doing. And we tell them that we're out
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  filming a podcast and give the whole spiel.
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  You can hear it in the episode. And so we filmed that like in
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  February of last year of 2024 and then in like August of or or
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  not of 2024. Should we kind of face each
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  other? Sure.
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  And then so like 6 months later I'm out on a trail run with a
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  new friend of a friend whose husband is the a Co worker of
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  this now mutual friend. And we start talking and I tell
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  her that I Co host this podcast with Heather and she says Oh my
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  gosh, I met you on top of Bolt Mountain six months ago when you
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  were filming your first episode. That's so.
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  Cool. And now we're in a in a running
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  group together, and we run together almost every Sunday,
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  and we met on the top of a mountain randomly.
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  We were otherwise essentially alone.
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  These people arrived, we made friendly friends, and now we're
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  actually friends. How?
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  Cute. Isn't that cute?
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  Yes, we're such a meet cute. I have yet to meet them.
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  Oh my gosh, really? Well, I mean other than.
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  Obviously you were there because I.
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  Haven't been on a group run, which they're Sundays now.
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  Yeah, Sundays. Sundays like 9:00 AM today.
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  Last yesterday was 9. 15 I've been churching it up.
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  Yeah. But I'd go to dirt church.
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  Which also is depending on when this episode comes out.
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  We also just recently interviewed somebody who we met
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  on the side of the river randomly.
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  We were essentially alone, made conversation, became friends,
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  invited him to record an episode with the podcast, and after we
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  were done recording, we put together that him and Heather go
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  to the same church. Yeah, it was cute.
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  It was so. Cute.
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  It was so cute, like the outdoors are bringing people
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  together, people who may have may have otherwise crossed
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  paths, who knows, but they're meant to meet.
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  I was talking about this with my mom yesterday, that there's all
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  these, you know, Venn diagrams of people and community and
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  friends. And we overlap with some, but
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  some are just like on this periphery that we've been in the
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  same place at the same time, but we've never actually met.
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  And So what does that really help you believe in that we are
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  actually supposed to meet the people that we meet.
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  And because there's people who are so close to meeting us but
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  never do, or never do until like way later.
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  In my time. And yeah, that there was there
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  was a meant to be time and a meant to be placed to meet these
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  people that have been satelliting your world.
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  You put it in camera. Heather is the best.
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  Our camera management really couldn't do this without her.
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  It's kind of a little. I wish we had a.
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  We need to get a bigger tripod. We do need a bigger tripod.
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  A smaller tripod. Size matters.
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  Size matters. Sorry guys, I'm trying to figure
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  out a really good spot. Don't want it to go in the
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  drink? Do you want like a big rock to
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  set it on? I think right here.
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  I can get you a big rock. This feels.
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  Oh, this feels good. This feels.
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  Good. Oh yeah.
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  I'm on a Rock Karen that feels real good.
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  What's your opinion on Rock Karen's?
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  Some people. That's another, like,
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  controversial subject for the outdoors.
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  Yeah, challenges leave no trace And also I would much I I
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  appreciate Rock Karen's as trail markers on designated trails
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  like that. The the land has been used as a
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  trail for long time. Trail is identifiable but maybe
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  gets skewed here and there like you got to scramble up a rock or
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  something. I appreciate rock Cairns as
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  trail markers in those cases. Weave our feet together.
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  Love it, but I don't really like them because just decorative.
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  Yeah, I love it. I'm very satisfied.
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  I don't mind them like at a river spot like this because
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  like that's what I encourage. Like if I forget to bring like a
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  toy. Yeah, with the kids, it's like
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  built. Try to build a rock Cairn or
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  like a rock. But then knock it down when
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  you're done. I don't know.
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  We've left Jenga yet. Yeah, He ends up knocking him
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  down anyways. I don't think we've ever like
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  left anything like too crazy. And this is a really like as
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  soon as somebody leaves, somebody comes.
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  Yeah, exactly. Totally.
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  You know, unless it's like, dark.
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  And they're going to alter the landscape in their use also.
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  And I'd much rather leave a rock Karen then trash.
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  Absolutely. So if you feel the like knock
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  you off. Yeah, if you feel like you do
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  need to leave a trace, leave a rock, Karen.
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  Don't leave trash. Yeah, we've actually don't.
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  They are not equivalent, not equivalent, but we've actually
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  thought about is this turning into a wildly US episode?
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  Well, we're good. We're about to spiral back to
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  you, but don't you worry. Didn't we talk about potentially
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  like putting like a QR code on rocks and leaving them at our
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  spots and that's, that was a little like.
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  Like, yeah, that's not like that's not kind.
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  Of like geocachy, but those are I feel like those geocaching
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  situations are. They're very discreet and
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  they're contained. It's not like on display, right?
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  You really have to fucking look for it, right?
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  Right. From what I understand.
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  Yeah. No, no, no.
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  It's like. I've never done it, but.
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  Like in a tree like. Yeah, yeah, I've found I do have
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  a favorite geocache that I found randomly one day on the lower
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  rogue and I do visit it almost every time that I'm down there.
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  They're kind of fun. It's like a scavenger hunt, but
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  like well contained and well like.
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  And like kind of silly and I like the take an item, leave an
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  item vibe. And so to have this one that I
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  return to all the time, I can see like, oh, that's still in
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  there. Oh, somebody took that thing
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  from last time I was here. And it's, I think it's like a
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  cute secret secret admirer secret message in a bottle.
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  Kind of thing. Yeah, it's kind of fun.
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  It adds a layer of whimsy. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And yeah, but. Yeah, but I do, I really admire
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  rock balancing. Like rock Cairns can just be
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  like, you know, flat rocks sitting on top of each other,
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  but rock balancing where there's like an odd shaped rock on a
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  Flat Rock on its tip and then. Just the tip.
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  Just the tip on the rock. See how it feels?
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  Yeah, well, y'all. Hey there, you may have figured
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  out that today's episode is just Heather and I sitting down with
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  each other to actually learn more about my esteemed Co host
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  here. And the other half of this whole
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  thing? Heather White, Someone who loves
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  to steal attention but not so much receive attention.
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  So that is accurate. I will admit my shortcomings.
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  That's the most important thing. That's where ADHD.
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  One moment I have to update Emily.
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  I just, I've just bought A Court of Thorns and Roses.
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  Oh, for your first time? For my first like getting into
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  fantasy book and like to break my scoliosis.
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  Excellent. Which is, you know, scrolling.
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  Yeah, doom scrolling totally has broken Mat.
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  I am totally in like all you need is a good book to like,
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  yes, kind of rewire some things. Yeah, I'm don't know why I
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  didn't do it sooner. Because you were waiting for the
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  right time. Yeah, but it had to be a good
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  book. Like, yeah, best sellers are
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  best sellers for a reason. Yeah.
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  There there is a reason why the ACOTAR series has a chokehold on
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  women. And women, yeah, I'm just
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  getting to like the mid of the book where it's they start to
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  heat up. OK, Yeah, yeah, it's a slow
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  start, but then you're going to speed right through.
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  Anyway, it's been great. I just want to say because
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  Emily, I think you sent me that. But yeah, I just want to say
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  like, because I'm like, my mind is like, oh, can't wait to get
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  home. Then we can sneak in a chapter
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  or two like, but it's been great for that, good and bad because
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  like. It's a different kind of
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  distraction. Yeah, well, when you're online,
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  you know when you're it's windy, sorry guys.
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  When you're online and you're like brand and media is online
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  and stuff like you do need to scroll to a certain extent to
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  see kind of what's trending and like.
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  You need to research the market. It's like researching yes, but I
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  just get into it for dopamine. It's while I'm like, like tired
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  at night, but like, and then I've tried to read nonfict or
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  not. Yeah, nonfiction.
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  Yeah, art. Self help.
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  OK. So and that just doesn't hit the
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  same. Yeah, no, there's a there's a
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  time of day and time within your energy.
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  That is the right time to receive self help.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Evening time and like needing
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  dopamine time. No, don't try.
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  Don't try to help yourself. I used to.
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  So I used to read a lot of self like.
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  I haven't read a fantasy or I haven't read a like story book.
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  What is that nonfiction? I'm see I'm not a book but I
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  like reading. But anyway, I just haven't read
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  a. Fiction is.
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  Real false. So fiction.
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  I haven't read a fiction novel, probably since Mary a lot.
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  Yeah, yeah, because. That's where I had like the time
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  to really like, sink into things.
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  Where you had downtime. And I you didn't have cell
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  phone, which is amazing and you have to be.
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  Offline. And books are books are the
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  original scroll scroll. Well, actually, I guess scrolls
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  were the original scrolls. And before that tablets.
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  Yeah. Anyways, Heather is as Grants
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  Pass as Grants Pass gets. Are you sure?
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  Because we'll get into it. We'll get into it.
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  Born and raised here, daughter of a hunter, fisherman and
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  forager who spent her childhood camping, rafting and backpacking
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  into spots that rarely had a trail to follow.
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  Now doing the same thing with her kids.
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  Her dad taught her early that Southern Oregon isn't just home,
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  it's the best place on earth. She believed him then, and she
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  still does. Are you loving that?
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  Yeah, great. I was very thoughtful in this in
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  this writing I'm. Going to have to bring but also
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  like. Basic, thoughtful, basically
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  thoughtful. You're going to what I'm.
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  Going to have to bring it for your intro.
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  Oh, obviously I will. I will.
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  Today she's raising 2 wildly wild boys, Cruz and Roscoe.
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  She owns Bike Craft with her spousal equivalent, which is the
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  same shop where her dad bought her her first mountain bike, and
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  she works as a real estate agent.
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  She sits on the city's Tourism and Parks advisory committee.
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  She heads up the new NICA mountain bike team.
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  The list goes on and on. Heather has created and sold
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  several small businesses, flipped houses, rode horses,
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  boiled crabs, and gone viral on TikTok and every other social
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  media platform. Those are just her credentials,
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  but what really drives Heather is connection to this place, to
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  the people in it, and to the idea that the outdoors has a way
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  of bringing people back to something real.
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  And that's exactly why we started this podcast.
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  I met Heather the summer before 6th grade in a first in a Red
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  Cross babysitters first aid training course and we became
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  instant friends. Kicked it pretty hard through
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  all of middle school and some in the high school kind of went.
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  Like different ways. Two years in the high school
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  when I was. Yeah, two years and then that
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  two. Then, like junior year, I really
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  got in the party. Yeah, and.
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  Was like, I want my other friends that yeah, that are bad
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  kids. Yeah, I was just kind of a
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  closeted bad kid. Yes, you were.
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  And then, well, you. I threw the prom after party our
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  senior year and you were there. I mean, we were made friends.
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  I just was like, and I always still during that time, I would
• 22:57
  still consider you a close friend.
• 22:59
  It's just I was just off kind of exploring the world.
• 23:02
  Yeah, yeah, you keep keep old friends, you know, get new
• 23:05
  friends, but keep the old one silver and the others gold.
• 23:08
  That's a Girl Scout. Yeah.
• 23:11
  And so we did that we we found new friends, we kept each other
• 23:16
  as friends, we lived long and prospered.
• 23:19
  And then a couple years ago, I hit her up and said, yo, I think
• 23:25
  we need to do something creative.
• 23:27
  Yeah. And.
• 23:28
  I do think our, I think our reconnection.
• 23:31
  Was because of Sean. Well, it was inevitable.
• 23:34
  Well, obviously. Yeah, obviously, like we're kind
• 23:36
  of living parallel, semi parallel, just I don't, I have
• 23:40
  kids and Emily doesn't but but similar lives.
• 23:43
  So I think it was inevitable. Inevitable.
• 23:46
  Sean, you know, you were really good friends with Josh and Sean
• 23:50
  in high school, which Sean's my spousal equivalent.
• 23:54
  He's actually technically my boyfriend, but that sounds so.
• 23:58
  Silly, he's also the father of your second child.
• 24:00
  Yes, I have two baby daddies. Yeah.
• 24:03
  So yeah, GP baby. So and, and Josh is Sean's
• 24:10
  younger brother and yeah, I was close with them through end of
• 24:15
  high school in like a couple years after high school and then
• 24:20
  distanced from them when I got when I got married.
• 24:24
  Right, right, and. Did that life moved out of
• 24:27
  Grants Pass for a little while and then when I moved back to
• 24:31
  Grants Pass, I hosted a memorial weekend party and like open
• 24:35
  house party and you and Sean stopped by and we hung out on my
• 24:41
  there was there was many couple hours.
• 24:43
  Yes, there was many of times where I when your dad was going
• 24:49
  through his cancer and I was seeing updates from you online
• 24:52
  and stuff that I wanted to reach out, but I was just in my own
• 24:56
  world and I didn't maybe know how to connect in that point of
• 24:59
  life you were in. And I felt it to be.
• 25:03
  Maybe if I reached out then it would, it just wouldn't have
• 25:06
  been like an authentic connection just I mean, it would
• 25:10
  obviously I tried to be authentic in everything that I
• 25:12
  do, but. But it would have been like, Oh
• 25:14
  my God, I see that you're struggling.
• 25:16
  Hey, how are you versus? And when stuff is really hard.
• 25:21
  Like that? Yes.
• 25:22
  When things are really hard, people are going through really
• 25:24
  hard times And like when like I've lost friends and stuff,
• 25:28
  I've always been very reclused from like I've, I don't go to
• 25:34
  funerals. Like I've, I've only been to
• 25:36
  maybe one or two funerals because it's just like, I maybe
• 25:41
  that's still some like healing I need to do or whatever.
• 25:43
  But like I usually give that person like Sabesa, like I'm
• 25:48
  just like, I'm going to give you space.
• 25:49
  Like I reach out. But I'm, I'm better now.
• 25:53
  But when I was in my early 20s, I don't know if I quite like
• 25:57
  accepted that people die. You afraid of death?
• 26:02
  I was for a long time. Afraid of other people dying?
• 26:05
  Afraid of yourself dying? I just don't still to this day,
• 26:10
  well, better now that I'm like cracking back into my
• 26:13
  spirituality and stuff, but I just, it's, it's foreign and it
• 26:20
  makes me uncomfortable and I'm not necessarily like scared.
• 26:26
  It's just more like confusing and like the unknown.
• 26:32
  I, I don't like to and I don't really like to speak about
• 26:36
  things that I don't know. So it's kind of one of those
• 26:38
  like. Good of you.
• 26:41
  Yeah, that's been my whole like coming into my later adult years
• 26:47
  with everything, like just like when it comes to real world,
• 26:53
  like first world problems and like government and stuff like
• 26:56
  that. I just try to like always lean
• 26:57
  on like I'm not there. I don't know what's going on.
• 27:00
  Like, I know, you know, I just know what is seen online, but I
• 27:05
  also am very acutely aware of like being stuck in a like silo.
• 27:13
  So you like, you're only seeing that one thing that supports
• 27:16
  your stuff, like your thought. So I try to like, see, try to
• 27:23
  stay very subjective to things, but death is one of those like
• 27:28
  phenomenons that I don't know if I don't, it's just part of life,
• 27:31
  but like. It's the it's really the only
• 27:33
  thing we can like totally count on nobody.
• 27:36
  Exactly. Nobody gets out alive.
• 27:38
  Yeah. Every single time, yeah.
• 27:40
  And so now I don't know, just to get like hella deep, but right,
• 27:44
  that's. What we do here?
• 27:46
  That's what we do now that I'm cracking back into like my like
• 27:53
  living more like a Christ centered life.
• 27:55
  And like for 20 years I was like atheist, like pretty pretty
• 28:00
  close. Like I was very close.
• 28:02
  And then I started to kind of dabble in like more like
• 28:04
  spiritual woo woo Y stuff. And I still love that stuff.
• 28:07
  I think it's beautiful, even though kind of I'm now kind of
• 28:12
  coming back into like a God centered Christ centered life of
• 28:16
  sorts. And that's giving me a lot of
• 28:17
  peace. It's very it's brought a lot of
• 28:20
  peace to my life. Whereas being atheist and
• 28:25
  relying on like woo woo stuff wasn't providing me.
• 28:31
  So I feel just do you see birdies?
• 28:34
  This is a big ass bird. Oh God.
• 28:38
  I don't think it's a bald eagle. Might be what is it?
• 28:42
  A young bald eagle or a golden eagle that was a oh.
• 28:45
  It might be a golden eagle. Yeah, there's Golden Eagles
• 28:49
  around here anyway. I think I, I really celebrate
• 28:55
  you for that and I'm proud of you for finding something that
• 28:59
  brings you a sense of peace and calm and serenity and faith,
• 29:03
  whatever it may be. I mean, I'm, I have a different
• 29:07
  relationship with institutional religion and but have my own
• 29:13
  faith, the spiritual belief, higher power beliefs and
• 29:18
  practice. And I think that whatever you
• 29:22
  need to give yourself trust and faith and belief and calm and
• 29:33
  objectivity and. Just Yeah.
• 29:36
  Well, it's just funny that I just.
• 29:37
  It's really, it's really important.
• 29:39
  Yeah, yeah, I think it is totally important and I'm glad
• 29:41
  that I'm like leaning into it now.
• 29:43
  But I think it's funny that I just said I don't like to speak
• 29:45
  about stuff I don't know which like, yeah, you have to have
• 29:49
  like a lot of faith in whatever you are like, you know, your
• 29:53
  your spiritual stuff and just kind of rely on faith, which
• 29:58
  it's still hard for me to do. I'm still practicing it.
• 30:01
  I still like. It is a practice.
• 30:03
  So it's not it's a practice. It's not a permanent, but make
• 30:06
  it permanent by practicing. There's a little buddy swimming
• 30:09
  over there. I.
• 30:10
  Need a Bunny? Hello.
• 30:12
  I have a great view of the wildlife.
• 30:14
  Right now, including you, I'm up here.
• 30:17
  I love to just like paddle up with my paddle board right here
• 30:19
  and then just froze down. It's really nice little spot.
• 30:23
  Something that I really celebrate and appreciate about
• 30:28
  Judaism, which is my religion of upbringing, is that you never
• 30:34
  know. You never have a final answer.
• 30:36
  There's always a, you're always seeking more knowledge, more
• 30:41
  information, and it's a rejected idea that as you learn something
• 30:47
  and then that's, that's all there is to it and you can stop
• 30:50
  learning. It's more of a, do you think,
• 30:53
  you know, keep learning? And I think that that for me,
• 31:00
  that really supports having faith, having a faith that
• 31:04
  things work out, that things happen for a reason, that
• 31:08
  there's there's an answer coming somewhere on the horizon, that
• 31:12
  there's purpose and being here. And also that there's so much to
• 31:19
  know and there's so much to learn and every single very much
• 31:25
  so that every single person's experience is unique and right
• 31:30
  for them. And you can learn so much about
• 31:33
  yourself and others in the world just by learning about the
• 31:37
  people around you. And there's 8 billion of us.
• 31:40
  So there's endless things to learn and then get started on
• 31:44
  all the other species and environments.
• 31:46
  And like, you can never. There's endless information,
• 31:51
  yeah, and endless answers. I just love the like teaching of
• 31:55
  like, I think too, because I was raised Christian, you know, my
• 32:01
  parents aren't like practicing Christians or anything like
• 32:03
  that. But like, I was raised to like,
• 32:05
  you know, do that, like go to like church camp and stuff like
• 32:09
  that. And I didn't understand it then.
• 32:11
  And I was like, what's going on? Like I always like was very
• 32:13
  confused. And I think if I had continued
• 32:16
  that faith and really like poured into it, I might be a
• 32:19
  legalistic Christian now. Like, I don't know, like I might
• 32:21
  be like virtue signaling my Christianity all over the place.
• 32:24
  Just but like now that I've had like now that I, I had like a 20
• 32:30
  year ish break that it really gave me a lot of perspective.
• 32:34
  And now I can like know for certain that like I would never.
• 32:39
  That something is right for you. Yeah, and I would never and but
• 32:42
  like there's still so many like we actually talked about it in
• 32:45
  church, this church. It's like they like what not to
• 32:48
  do, not to be a legalistic Christian.
• 32:50
  Like, you know, they're Yeah, like don't like it's not the but
• 32:54
  you know, anyway, I don't want to like there's.
• 32:57
  Morals and values and boundaries and guidelines presented, yeah,
• 33:03
  make them fit for your life. But you don't have to live
• 33:06
  rigidly. Well, yeah, it was just.
• 33:08
  Like rigidly. Yeah, it was kind of like the
• 33:11
  saying like kind of like just like virtue signaling your like
• 33:16
  Christian, you know, values at people and like try to live like
• 33:21
  just more Christ centered. Like that's all that like is
• 33:24
  matters. Like embody, like how amazing.
• 33:27
  The modest and friendly and communal, Yeah.
• 33:32
  Yeah, that's really just it anyway, but I'm.
• 33:34
  Going to flip the screen around so we can see that.
• 33:36
  Word. Let's do that.
• 33:37
  Look at this. And then you're ohh, our leg,
• 33:40
  our leg matching. I wonder if people can see my
• 33:43
  hair legs. Yeah, that's good.
• 33:46
  We should probably do. That and then let's like.
• 33:48
  Get. Into our structure.
• 33:50
  So tell us, Heather, who you are, where you came from, and
• 33:53
  where where you met the outdoors.
• 33:55
  How you met the outdoors. So my dad.
• 33:58
  Where? Yeah, I.
• 33:59
  Was born and raised in Grants Pass OR my dad like you know,
• 34:04
  just lower middle class I would say.
• 34:10
  Is he also from Southern Oregon? Are your parents from Southern
• 34:12
  Oregon? No, my mom is from San Jose, so
• 34:17
  she's like typical Valley girl. Valley Girl.
• 34:20
  Valley girl and she still is. She's pretty chill though.
• 34:25
  She likes outdoors and stuff, but she's just, you know, she's
• 34:27
  just a fun loving. She didn't have like an
• 34:29
  upbringing in the outdoors per SE.
• 34:32
  So she just is very like fueled by like friends and shopping and
• 34:37
  stuff like that, which gave me I think a good balance of like 2
• 34:42
  worlds because we would visit down there a lot like in the
• 34:44
  city and stuff. So that was cool.
• 34:47
  And we still did. She hung out at the beach a lot.
• 34:49
  She was just like a beach, you know, valley girl Beachy, like,
• 34:52
  you know, in her little convertible and stuff like that.
• 34:55
  So yeah, Becky. Yeah.
• 34:57
  Very, very fair. Foxy with the good hair.
• 34:59
  Yeah, yeah and and then she moved up here when she was like
• 35:03
  25/24/25 after a big breakup and met my dad, started working at
• 35:10
  the mill, which I feel like a lot of people in Grants Pass
• 35:13
  like work at a mill because we have a quite a few of them our.
• 35:17
  History is very much in timber. And, and my dad, and my dad is,
• 35:22
  I think he was born in Portland actually.
• 35:24
  And then they moved down here like when he was like 4 or
• 35:27
  something. And my grandpa worked on the
• 35:30
  railroads and he they grew up on an 80 acre ranch in Hugo.
• 35:37
  And my grandma was a very Bible Thumper quilter, homestead trad
• 35:46
  wife and my grandpa worked and they had a big family and had
• 35:51
  like a cow and all and like sheep in a garden and my grandma
• 35:55
  can and all the stuff. And so living on the so
• 35:59
  literally they they're we saw the family property.
• 36:02
  My uncle owns it now, but they the property is like on the
• 36:09
  South side of Mount Sexton. Cool.
• 36:12
  So you can kind of see the house, like if you know where
• 36:15
  you're looking when you're driving down Mount Sexton, like
• 36:18
  coming into Grants Pass or Merlin, you can kind of like if
• 36:22
  you look closely, you can see the house and you can hear it
• 36:25
  from being at the house because it's like right there.
• 36:27
  You can hear the freeway. Oh.
• 36:28
  Yeah, yeah. I remember being like taking
• 36:30
  baths in the green, the retro green tub at night at my
• 36:33
  grandma's. And like, because we didn't have
• 36:35
  a bathtub growing up, we just had a shower at my house.
• 36:37
  So taking a bath was very special.
• 36:40
  And so I'd take a bath at my grandma's and I, the window
• 36:43
  would be open. I'd be like listening to the
• 36:47
  trucks, like brakes, like, And I remember just like thinking it
• 36:51
  was cool at the time, like very interesting.
• 36:53
  And then like smelling the Dial soap and being in the green tub.
• 36:58
  That's my like memories there. There's a bunch of memories.
• 37:00
  But anywho, so my my dad grew up there and he like I think out of
• 37:06
  pretty much all of his brothers were he's the middle son.
• 37:10
  My grandma had like boom boom boom.
• 37:11
  My dad will tell the story when he's on the pod, I'm sure.
• 37:13
  Like his upbringing, excellent. But yeah, excellent.
• 37:16
  Yeah, very excited. Very.
• 37:18
  Excited, but so he grew up just like being in the outdoors and
• 37:22
  like hunting around with this like, you know, like, oh, what's
• 37:25
  the like red, Red Wing, you know, BB gun.
• 37:30
  Oh, the. Whatever that is.
• 37:32
  From the movie. From the movie, yeah.
• 37:34
  But then it like escalated anyway.
• 37:36
  So he grew up like hunting and fishing and being like outdoors
• 37:39
  all the time. Like he just lived outside to
• 37:42
  get away from his brothers. He will probably say that
• 37:44
  because he, you know, he's the middle kid and he's just a
• 37:48
  really and. That's a very common story that
• 37:50
  we find people. People find themselves outside
• 37:53
  to get away from everybody else. Yeah, but you know, so he
• 37:58
  exactly. And he no, no, he just has a lot
• 38:02
  of interests. He's a hyper fixator and his
• 38:05
  current is pickleball. But.
• 38:08
  Anyway, he's of that era. He's of that era, he's of that
• 38:10
  age. But anyway, he he just hyper
• 38:12
  fixates, which I learned a lot of.
• 38:14
  Like he's a big time like crafter, like huge crafter
• 38:18
  taught himself how to play the bagpipe, like he's just cool.
• 38:23
  So learning and like seeing that I didn't, I wasn't like growing
• 38:29
  up. I wasn't like, oh dad, that's so
• 38:31
  awesome. I wasn't like, I mean, I thought
• 38:32
  it was cool, but I didn't know how it would impact impact me as
• 38:35
  an adult. And it has like if I look back,
• 38:37
  that has impacted me, like I'm very much hyper fixator in the
• 38:40
  moment. I'm a little different, but
• 38:42
  like, it really bred the like monkey see, monkey do like so I
• 38:49
  like catching him doing his things.
• 38:54
  And that's like, yeah. So I was raised by like watching
• 38:57
  my dad be a crafter a, you know, like, and outdoors a lot, always
• 39:04
  hunting, always doing stuff. So like growing up, it was like
• 39:08
  we camped multiple times a year, just like just regular camping.
• 39:12
  We had a group of friends that we'd camp with, like the crew
• 39:16
  and I grew up with the with the kids.
• 39:18
  And so that was cool to have that community that we all like
• 39:23
  did stuff outdoors and then just like, I just remember going on
• 39:27
  like long drives with my dad as he like scouted areas for
• 39:30
  hunting. Cool.
• 39:31
  So I would just like ride along in our black Jeep Cherokee and I
• 39:39
  sometimes on dirt roads would like fall asleep in the back.
• 39:42
  I actually remember this one time that we were just like
• 39:44
  scouting and exploring like literally my dad would just like
• 39:47
  bust a map out or then eventually he had his GPS and so
• 39:52
  he would like catalog and look at stuff on GPS before like the
• 39:55
  top O map on your app phone and. I remember this one time we were
• 40:01
  just like trail or climbing these back roads.
• 40:04
  My dad always had like a saw or chainsaw so he could cut trees
• 40:08
  out of the road to like old logging roads and just up in the
• 40:11
  mountains. And I was sleeping in the back
• 40:13
  kind of in and out. And my dad was like, OK, I'm
• 40:15
  going to park here and go like walk 'cause there's a tree in
• 40:17
  the way. And then I was sleeping.
• 40:20
  He comes back and he's like, you have to come see this like the
• 40:24
  coolest thing ever. And I would love for him to take
• 40:26
  us up there. Maybe that could be a spot where
• 40:29
  he does his episode or an episode with him because.
• 40:33
  I may have him on for multiple. He's got so many interests.
• 40:37
  He's, you know, he's very, he's very autistic.
• 40:40
  And anyway, we. Could do a whole series of
• 40:42
  Wyman. In.
• 40:44
  This place. Yes, Wyman in this place.
• 40:46
  So anyways, he comes back, he's like, you have to come check
• 40:48
  this out. We walk out to this like
• 40:50
  outcrobe outcropping, just like flagstone rock, just like on the
• 40:57
  side of the mountain, like Cliff rock face, perfectly flag stoned
• 41:02
  rock, just all like like so much of it.
• 41:07
  And you could I I lost my camera.
• 41:10
  I took a took a picture and then I lost it.
• 41:13
  That camera to like get developed.
• 41:14
  But I know there was like a picture of it.
• 41:16
  My dad probably has one because he had a camera with him too.
• 41:20
  He one of his photography is one of his interests.
• 41:23
  One of his many hobbies, One of his.
• 41:24
  Many interests. So he just had a nice camera and
• 41:27
  stuff. But Mount McLaughlin is like in
• 41:29
  the like, as you look out over this outcropping of flagstone
• 41:33
  basalt, I think it is like flagstone.
• 41:35
  There is like the perfect silhouette of Mount McLaughlin.
• 41:38
  It was the coolest thing and we actually grabbed a couple
• 41:40
  flagstones and that time when we were there, but then my dad did
• 41:44
  the research and got a permit to go collect those.
• 41:47
  So all those flagstones where my parents have, my dad built a koi
• 41:52
  pond, they're all from the outcropping, so real flagstone
• 41:56
  that I think he paid just like a simple permit for.
• 42:00
  And he went and collected a bunch of them.
• 42:02
  Wow. Yeah.
• 42:03
  He was like, oh, cool. I remember his joy.
• 42:05
  He was like, it was like, he won the lottery.
• 42:08
  Yeah. So we did a lot of stuff like
• 42:09
  that, a lot of driving and scouting and exploring, and then
• 42:14
  we would go backpacking, my first backpacking and we didn't
• 42:19
  go backpacking a lot. I've only been backpacking maybe
• 42:21
  a handful of times truly throughout the life throughout
• 42:24
  my life, but they were pretty substantial.
• 42:27
  Multiple days, Yeah, Beautiful locations.
• 42:31
  Yeah, yeah. And very memorable with my dad.
• 42:33
  Or your mom there too. Or.
• 42:34
  My mom's not a backpacker. She'll camp all day and, like,
• 42:38
  be the cook camp cookie. But like, she won't, you know?
• 42:41
  Yeah, so but. Just you and your dad.
• 42:45
  Just me. And my dad out there, yeah.
• 42:47
  And it would always be kind of like spring.
• 42:49
  So it'd be like, still cold, still cold, still like remnants
• 42:55
  of, like, snow and stuff where we're going.
• 42:57
  But some of the time, my dad would be like, hey, we're
• 43:00
  actually not going to take the trail.
• 43:03
  We're going to just like follow the GPS, like like through the
• 43:08
  bushes. And thank God I never got poison
• 43:11
  oak. I literally have never gotten
• 43:13
  poison oak. But we would just like
• 43:15
  bushwhack, bushwhack. Like I remember this one time we
• 43:20
  went up with my dad and his friend Dale.
• 43:24
  I think his name was Dale. Anyway, they were going on a
• 43:26
  hike and I was like, I want to go with you.
• 43:27
  But then we get to the trailhead and I'm like, I think I'm going
• 43:29
  to stay in the car. Glad I didn't.
• 43:31
  They talked me into going because sometimes I would like
• 43:34
  my dad would go off, you know, for a short little tramps and
• 43:38
  like I wouldn't go. Sometimes I would just like
• 43:40
  chill in the car or whatever. I don't know what I did.
• 43:43
  Stare out the window. No, I was just staring out the
• 43:45
  window like I was like a board kit.
• 43:47
  Like not bored, but bored. Like I could just look and like
• 43:52
  it's probably imagine. Part of what made you so
• 43:54
  creative and inventive? Yeah, and just like I'm just
• 43:57
  like, I could stare at the Moss on the tree for hours.
• 44:00
  Yeah. So that's probably what I did
• 44:03
  anyway. But this one time we did.
• 44:06
  My dad wanted to go hunt down a hanging pond.
• 44:10
  Oh. So there's just this hanging
• 44:13
  pond, I guess, this little pond on top of the mountain.
• 44:17
  And he, we were going to go look for it.
• 44:19
  Oh my God. It was like we were bushwhacking
• 44:22
  at one point. I was like, and I've never been
• 44:24
  bitten by a tick either. I don't know how, but like we
• 44:27
  were like wading through these like thickets, like just like
• 44:31
  chiming. Through bushes.
• 44:32
  Yeah, and we just like traipsed around.
• 44:34
  We did a big circle. Anyway.
• 44:36
  We did find the hanging pond. It wasn't worth it, of course.
• 44:42
  Was it worth it? Let me work it.
• 44:44
  Yeah, it was cool. It was just a tramp sea hike
• 44:48
  that we went on like we would. What was the pond?
• 44:49
  Cool. I remember being like, this is
• 44:53
  it? I remember it was like, yeah,
• 44:55
  it's so cool. Like, why is there a pond on the
• 44:57
  top of a mountain? Like, it was really cool.
• 45:00
  I'm like, OK dad anyway. So stuff like that.
• 45:05
  And just like sometimes I would have to be forced to go do
• 45:09
  certain things like if there wasn't kids because I'm an only
• 45:12
  child too. So that was also like I was
• 45:15
  fueled by like, is there any kids going to be there?
• 45:17
  Like, I really wanted to like, play, you know, I was a big like
• 45:22
  player. Big player, Big player.
• 45:26
  So that's for an episode on Patreon someday.
• 45:30
  You mean only fans? I'm just kidding.
• 45:36
  So yeah, you, you, you were wanted to be a social kid and
• 45:39
  didn't. Have that I was very social, but
• 45:42
  like so that fueled me. But there was times when my dad
• 45:44
  was like, you're getting into the car, whether like you're
• 45:48
  going to go with nothing, you better go pack your bag like I'm
• 45:51
  going to put you in the vehicle. And so you have no.
• 45:54
  Other choice. He would do stuff like that.
• 45:56
  So that one time I remember I, it was like my 15th birthday and
• 46:00
  I, it was my 15th birthday and I wanted to stay in town and be
• 46:04
  with my friends and, like, I was 15, you know?
• 46:06
  Yeah, yeah. And then he made me go to
• 46:11
  Eastern Oregon and more central, East Central Eastern Oregon to
• 46:16
  Hart Mountain. But that ended up being a really
• 46:18
  cool trip. How they got me there, How and
• 46:20
  my mom was there too, and how they coaxed me into the car
• 46:25
  finally was you can sit in the front the whole time.
• 46:29
  Privilege. And you can choose the music.
• 46:31
  Oh. Bonus.
• 46:34
  Yeah. So that's a.
• 46:36
  Great way to get your kids in the car.
• 46:37
  Yep. At least it was back then.
• 46:39
  I don't know if it still would. Be it was good and so I chose
• 46:42
  the music and we listened to greatest hits of the
• 46:45
  Cranberries. Nice.
• 46:47
  The whole trip. Zombie zombie.
• 46:51
  Yeah, I did. And my mom was in the back.
• 46:55
  And she says after that trip, the window was open so much that
• 46:59
  her long curly hair got like, matted.
• 47:01
  So she had to cut it after that trip because of that trip.
• 47:05
  Wow, but. Anyway, that was a really fun
• 47:07
  trip do. You believe her?
• 47:09
  Yeah, OK. She got it really matted and it
• 47:11
  was just time for her to cut her hair, I guess.
• 47:14
  So now she has short, shorter hair.
• 47:16
  But yeah, I was really want. To throw it out, try again.
• 47:19
  I don't know. Yeah, well.
• 47:20
  She's. Funny like that.
• 47:22
  Yeah, Becky with good hair. Becky with a good hair anyway,
• 47:25
  and so just things like that. But that was a really fun trip
• 47:28
  in and of itself and I got to explore like a new region and
• 47:31
  when I was a kid and exploring and stuff like that with my dad
• 47:34
  and stuff, I didn't really like think anything different, you
• 47:38
  know, like I didn't really did something turn off.
• 47:42
  I heard a click. I didn't think that that was
• 47:46
  like, I just that was normal. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:48
  You weren't looking at what other people were doing with
• 47:51
  their lives and thinking, oh, you don't go and do this.
• 47:54
  I did. There was some like I remembered
• 47:56
  asking my dad a couple times, like why don't we actually like
• 47:59
  travel, travel, like go on a plane and travel.
• 48:01
  And he's just like there's so many amazing places here to like
• 48:04
  go explore, like why do we need to go spend that kind of money?
• 48:07
  And my dad's also like a real tight with his monies, but he
• 48:12
  did really well for himself. We were lower middle class
• 48:15
  because he just like put all of his money in the savings.
• 48:18
  Mm hmm. He's just one of those.
• 48:20
  So he's sitting on a fat wad now, which I'm an only child, so
• 48:24
  that will be beneficial eventually.
• 48:27
  Yeah, yeah. But to me, no rush.
• 48:29
  No rush yes, but like still it's just like I don't know.
• 48:32
  And he? And he was able to provide a
• 48:35
  filling, adventurous OH. My gosh.
• 48:37
  Childhood for you without spending.
• 48:40
  And yeah, large. Sums of.
• 48:41
  Money, yes. And those are just his
• 48:42
  interests. I mean he did travel as I think
• 48:45
  he travelled a little bit as a, he's lived like everywhere
• 48:48
  except and he's lived in like American Samoa.
• 48:51
  I don't think he's ever been to like Europe and stuff, but he's
• 48:53
  planning on it now. Cool.
• 48:55
  So he's planning a trip now, but to go over to Ireland and
• 48:59
  Scotland and stuff because that's like his heritage.
• 49:02
  But yeah, so that was just his interest and what he liked to do
• 49:06
  and what fulfilled him. And so I just like tagged along
• 49:10
  and. You enjoyed it enough that
• 49:12
  you've kept doing it. Yeah, pretty much.
• 49:15
  I mean, there was AI feel like there was a stent in my like,
• 49:21
  you know, late teens and early 20s where I didn't adventure a
• 49:25
  ton, you know, but I've always every year I feel like since
• 49:35
  probably since like Mariel, like that's so Mariel.
• 49:40
  I, I went to Mariel when I was like 22, I think Mariel Lodge.
• 49:46
  So I got a job down there. I think once that started really
• 49:49
  like kicked off my like outdoor adventure adventurous like adult
• 49:56
  vibe again cuz. And like doing it for yourself,
• 49:59
  being self driven to get outside.
• 50:02
  Yeah, yeah. And even then and even now, it's
• 50:04
  like, I wish, like I have the hopes and aspirations to like,
• 50:08
  do more. Like, I haven't been backpacking
• 50:10
  in forever, you know, It's like, so I've been wanting.
• 50:14
  Other interests have come come up, yeah.
• 50:17
  I mean totally like just mountain biking since we bought
• 50:20
  the bike shop. I'm all over the place now, but
• 50:22
  like so my team years, we still like we did the middle fork of
• 50:25
  the salmon. That was like a really pivotal.
• 50:27
  I did that when I was 16 MM Hmm, cool.
• 50:29
  And then we did the lower rogue, I think the summer after.
• 50:32
  So that was like I really got into rafting and being on the
• 50:35
  river more with my dad and stuff.
• 50:36
  So I still like maintain that. But then, yeah, as my like,
• 50:41
  getting right out of high school, it was like I was just
• 50:43
  really figuring out what I was doing with my life.
• 50:45
  And I went to college and I didn't graduate.
• 50:48
  I got like my master recycler's certificate and a couple little
• 50:52
  like little programmy things, master gardener and stuff like
• 50:57
  that. But like, I didn't, I didn't
• 51:01
  finish because I didn't like school.
• 51:04
  I'm just not really in the school, like people telling me
• 51:06
  what to do. My close friends know this about
• 51:10
  me. Like I don't like to be told
• 51:11
  what to do at all. I have like, oppositional
• 51:13
  defiance disorder. So like when somebody tells me
• 51:17
  like I'd like rebel. Yeah.
• 51:20
  Which is kind of what happened. And that's how my son is now
• 51:23
  too, so. Funny how funny how the monkey
• 51:26
  see monkey do is generational. I like that.
• 51:29
  Yeah, it's there is a genetic situation there, but.
• 51:34
  And that's why I don't ever tell you what to do.
• 51:36
  I I ask you to do. Things it's just people like my
• 51:40
  like Sean has like I feel like learned how to approach me with
• 51:44
  it in a way that like I'm like, yeah, that's a great idea yeah,
• 51:48
  yeah, it's just like. Kind of your own idea, people.
• 51:51
  Learn this about me. Yeah.
• 51:52
  And it's something that I'd like recognize.
• 51:54
  So like, I'm not as bad as I was and like, you know, stuff like
• 51:58
  that. But it's still definitely
• 51:59
  lingers. And then when I was in my early
• 52:05
  20s, so like 22, I went, I got a job at Mario Lodge down the
• 52:13
  lower Rogue River. How'd you get the job?
• 52:15
  I just sit in my resume. You you knew you wanted to work
• 52:18
  there. Yeah, I just was like, I applied
• 52:21
  to Paradise. I applied to a few wineries at
• 52:24
  the time and I just was like looking for something different
• 52:29
  and I heard about Mario Lodge and didn't know anybody, didn't
• 52:33
  know the owners or anything. Then they gave me a job and
• 52:37
  instantly it was like Pat and Lori who owned the lodge, like
• 52:42
  knew was really, they were really good friends with a
• 52:46
  classmate of my dad. So there was like already a
• 52:48
  connection. The guy that was working there,
• 52:51
  Amber at the time, like the first person I met, Amber, she's
• 52:55
  still a really good friend of mine to this day.
• 52:57
  We actually like, we've traveled together, like out of country
• 53:01
  and stuff like that. But she's awesome.
• 53:03
  Anyway, her dad went to high school with my dad.
• 53:06
  So there was like an instant connection there.
• 53:09
  And yeah, that place really like you're living off grid in an off
• 53:16
  grid out of off grid lodge, you know, 12 days on four days off.
• 53:22
  But like that would fluctuate. Sometimes you would do a couple
• 53:26
  extra days or a couple less days or you would do a couple more
• 53:29
  days at home or shorter days at home.
• 53:32
  It just depend. But that's where I really like
• 53:36
  got fell in love with the river from a different perspective.
• 53:40
  I thought a couple times maybe I would get into like guiding,
• 53:44
  like after a couple seasons I was like, maybe I'll get into
• 53:46
  guiding, but I didn't like the the thought of I'm truly kind of
• 53:53
  a passenger Princess like I do. I have road and like practice,
• 53:58
  but I need to practice more. Howdy friends.
• 54:02
  Quickly, a little pause on the adventure.
• 54:04
  First of all, we just want to say thank you.
• 54:06
  Truly. The fact that you're out there
• 54:08
  listening to this weird little outdoor podcast we started means
• 54:11
  more to us than you probably realize.
• 54:13
  We're just two little feral childhood besties that had an
• 54:16
  idea, grab some microphones and decided to record conversations
• 54:20
  in the wild. And somehow you showed up for
• 54:23
  it. Thank you.
• 54:24
  So if this podcast has ever made you laugh, taught you something,
• 54:28
  or kept you company on a drive, a hike, or a day at the river,
• 54:31
  we have one small favor to ask you.
• 54:33
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• 54:37
  can. And also, here's a little fun
• 54:39
  exercise. Think of the first person who
• 54:41
  popped in your head while listening to this episode
• 54:44
  because let's be honest, everyone on podcasts, remind
• 54:47
  somebody of somebody or somebody you know that'll enjoy this
• 54:50
  podcast. Send this episode to them.
• 54:52
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• 54:56
  grows. All right, thanks for being here
• 54:58
  with us. Now let's go wildly together.
• 55:03
  Cool. We're back.
• 55:04
  Yeah, we're back. We're back.
• 55:06
  Back after a battery. Change.
• 55:07
  So anyways, where was I with marry all?
• 55:10
  It was where you went. Oh yeah, so I thought I would
• 55:15
  maybe get into guy guiding stuff but and growing up.
• 55:19
  You're passenger, Princess. I am a passenger or I do like I
• 55:21
  have a paddle cat. So like my dad bought me a
• 55:24
  paddle cat when I was like 12 or something and that's what I rode
• 55:27
  or not even rode and paddled. But like you can't row a panel.
• 55:31
  Can't new camp so a little paddle cat and that's what I
• 55:34
  did. You know, just like the rec
• 55:36
  sections with my dad as they did it.
• 55:39
  I never went down the Laura Rogue in that.
• 55:40
  But yeah, so then I thought about it and I'm like dude, like
• 55:45
  and then like setting up camp and stuff.
• 55:47
  I was like that's a bit much. That's a lot like and like you
• 55:49
  got to be on and like, so I was like, it's like I loved.
• 55:54
  It's like 17 hour days of on, yeah.
• 55:57
  So. Like 5-5 days of 17 hour days.
• 56:02
  There's bird fucking around in the bushes over here.
• 56:04
  OK. I was like, is that a dog coming
• 56:07
  anyway? So I like I was just like, no,
• 56:10
  just go back to Mariel a few times.
• 56:11
  And so it's essentially what I did is I went did Mariel Lodge
• 56:16
  like 3 1/2 years, so almost four years.
• 56:21
  And that was like seasonal hospitality food.
• 56:26
  Everything. Cleaning.
• 56:27
  There's a little mink in the water.
• 56:30
  Hi, how cute. Oh my God.
• 56:34
  How precious, right? That's mink are also, one of the
• 56:38
  things that brought a lot of people to settle this area was
• 56:42
  for the fur trade for mink and Beaver, and their populations
• 56:47
  were rather decimated for quite some time.
• 56:49
  But they've had a comeback. They're having a comeback.
• 56:52
  Rodents. Yeah.
• 56:54
  Any who, maybe we should get back into pelting.
• 56:56
  Kill them. Kill me.
• 56:59
  Probably not, but, well, that's working with Canada geese.
• 57:04
  If they yeah, if they start to Canada geese, if they start to
• 57:07
  get overwhelmed, my dad's really good about talking about that.
• 57:10
  That's cool, yeah. It's really.
• 57:12
  Yeah, there needs to be balance in the.
• 57:14
  He's really about balance in the ecosystem.
• 57:16
  Yeah. Anyway, yeah.
• 57:18
  So Mariel kind of just like bred this like kind of outdoorsy,
• 57:22
  semi dirt baggy vibe life, meeting a lot of the river guys
• 57:27
  and having river guides and like just having the experience.
• 57:32
  But I got to slept, sleep in my bed that I like made my space
• 57:35
  and like every day and that was really fun and really great.
• 57:40
  And it was really daunting kind of work.
• 57:41
  Just like same thing different day.
• 57:44
  So that was rough on my ADH. 5:00 AM Make breakfast, serve
• 57:49
  breakfast, clean up from breakfast, turn over the rooms.
• 57:53
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 57:54
  And then you have space in your day.
• 57:56
  So that's beauty. Like you work in the mornings
• 57:59
  and then you have space in your day to like go do whatever, like
• 58:02
  3-4 hours to like go lay by the river, go for a hike, go for a
• 58:07
  run. And then we'd come back, fold
• 58:08
  laundry and then we'd be done for another like hour to two
• 58:12
  hours before the dinner shift would consummate and people
• 58:17
  would come in consummate. You like that?
• 58:19
  Great choice of. There, yeah.
• 58:22
  So and then we would do night and then that was like a couple
• 58:25
  hours, a few hours and then, you know, clean up and then just
• 58:29
  like do it all over again, do it all over again.
• 58:31
  And but it was really great. Those like times when we got to
• 58:37
  go explore, hang out, it was just like in the wilderness, you
• 58:40
  know, because there was, we did have TV out there.
• 58:43
  So like we'd have a. Couple.
• 58:45
  From satellite dish so we didn't have like and it was just like a
• 58:48
  satellite phone now they have Internet and I think Internet
• 58:51
  and stuff down there yeah brought that in when the new
• 58:53
  owners came in but yeah I mean so I would watch some TV as like
• 58:57
  you know you're tired and stuff like that but I'd be out and
• 59:00
  about most days and. Anything crazy ever happened out
• 59:04
  there? Yeah, well, not to me, but like
• 59:09
  Amber was, she was the only one at the lodge because we had like
• 59:13
  no guest day or whatever and everybody was out.
• 59:16
  She was running. She was a big, like we'd run the
• 59:18
  road right for like a mile and then turn around and come back.
• 59:22
  And so, like, up the road, she was chased by a bear.
• 59:25
  And that was pretty. That's crazy.
• 59:27
  And she was like, dude, it was like the scariest thing in my
• 59:29
  life that kind of like scared me away from like running the road.
• 59:33
  Like, I would, I'd be pretty timid and stuff.
• 59:35
  But like, I got over it. Like you just kind of get over
• 59:37
  it. Yeah.
• 59:38
  And you? Have bear spray or yeah, you
• 59:39
  take something. She didn't though.
• 59:40
  Like, we would not run with bear spray.
• 59:42
  I mean, I've seen Bobcats and mountain lions down there and
• 59:48
  baby mountain lions. Cute, baby.
• 59:52
  Yeah, baby bears, lots of bears. I walked up on a bear one time.
• 59:58
  I was, it was during dinner service and I was walking up to
• 1:00:02
  my car because we had this little trail that would where
• 1:00:05
  the cars were. And then the the lodge and stuff
• 1:00:07
  was down here in our our little house, our guide, how the guide
• 1:00:10
  shack. And then we lived under the
• 1:00:12
  guide shack. But I was walking up to grab
• 1:00:14
  something from my car and there was just like, I just walked
• 1:00:17
  right by this bear. That was like. 5 feet from my
• 1:00:20
  face. I like saw the like, hey, yeah.
• 1:00:24
  I just like, I came up on him. He was like right here.
• 1:00:28
  I came up on him and I could just like, see the drool out of
• 1:00:31
  his mouth. He was up in the apple tree and
• 1:00:34
  I just like turned around and went back and I was like, hey, I
• 1:00:39
  told like Pat and Lori, I was like the bears up there because
• 1:00:42
  the nuisance beard we have to scare away.
• 1:00:45
  I don't. You don't want bears to get too
• 1:00:47
  habituated to humans. So there was probably a couple.
• 1:00:51
  Habituated at all, really, right there.
• 1:00:53
  Was probably a couple bears that like he, you know, probably just
• 1:00:58
  killed but like mostly it was like scaring them away.
• 1:01:03
  But then if they kept coming back, he would have to Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  You know, just unfortunately it's just like how it, it's.
• 1:01:09
  Bad for everybody, yeah. Because there was like I've
• 1:01:12
  heard stories of like the bear getting in the cars up there and
• 1:01:15
  like all sorts of shit. Like one time I was it was in
• 1:01:20
  the middle of the night and I was hanging out with, I was
• 1:01:23
  having some fun around the lodge with someone and.
• 1:01:30
  Late night debauchery. Yeah, late night debauchery and
• 1:01:34
  a freaking bear just, like, comes careening off of the,
• 1:01:39
  like, back deck stairs, like, right.
• 1:01:42
  Kind of like in front of us. And I was like, Oh my God.
• 1:01:44
  So he was like, really close to like getting into the lodge,
• 1:01:47
  which would have been terrible. Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  So. And then Pat, Pat was like
• 1:01:52
  chasing him. And I was like, oh, there's Pat,
• 1:01:54
  you know, like tied. Anyway, I don't know if we knew
• 1:02:00
  where those were. Anyway, just some fun times,
• 1:02:04
  like truly just fun explorational times.
• 1:02:07
  And yeah. And so I did some traveling in
• 1:02:09
  between because that's seasonal. So like April to end of April,
• 1:02:14
  we'd kind of start to head down there to clean up the lodge from
• 1:02:17
  the winter. And then it would be done in
• 1:02:19
  like early October. And so then I'd have all winter
• 1:02:24
  and I would travel. I would go to like Central
• 1:02:27
  America and I took a couple. I not took a couple.
• 1:02:31
  I took one like lifeguarding job down there at like the Envision
• 1:02:35
  festival. That was really fun and just
• 1:02:37
  like camped and traveled and backpacked for like a month plus
• 1:02:41
  down there. Friends, no friends, sorts of
• 1:02:45
  stuff, all sorts of stuff. And so that was fun.
• 1:02:47
  And then I'd go back to Mariel and then I got the pregnant.
• 1:02:52
  That's with Caruso Lahi. Yes, and he was a unexpected
• 1:03:02
  thing, but he has changed my life for the better and he is
• 1:03:05
  amazing and what he changed me is amazing.
• 1:03:09
  And like the focus then from having crews put me on this path
• 1:03:14
  of like entrepreneurship and like making something for myself
• 1:03:17
  and really like being an adult and like striving for some
• 1:03:21
  really cool creative projects and endeavors and businesses and
• 1:03:25
  stuff. So that formed like into like my
• 1:03:30
  catering company that I created Roam the bar and my charcuterie,
• 1:03:36
  I was one of, I was probably the first charcuterie and mobile bar
• 1:03:41
  of its kind in Southern Oregon. And I did that for like 3-4
• 1:03:46
  years. And then it was just a lot to do
• 1:03:49
  alone and raising a child and yeah, raising a child.
• 1:03:54
  And there was a little bit of time in between, a couple of
• 1:03:56
  years where I was working another job that was amazing.
• 1:03:58
  And I flipped a house in between all of that.
• 1:04:00
  And that kind of got me on my like real estate career too.
• 1:04:03
  So it all kind of blended and 1:00 And then I met my boyfriend
• 1:04:07
  Sean. That's why is it so funny to.
• 1:04:12
  Call him your boyfriend. But I call him my husband
• 1:04:14
  because like, it's like we have a kid and a business together.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah, and you've been together for how long?
• 1:04:19
  Seven years. That's common law.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, yeah. So, so, so then, yeah.
• 1:04:24
  So he was like, wow. Seven years.
• 1:04:28
  I know I blinked and my son just turned 10 last Friday, which is
• 1:04:33
  crazy. Cruz just turned 10 anyway, and
• 1:04:36
  Cruz is named after the lower rogue Ilahi.
• 1:04:38
  So his middle name is Ilahi. It was actually I was going to
• 1:04:41
  be his first name. And then I was like, baby, we
• 1:04:44
  should save him some torment and you know, and like name him Cruz
• 1:04:49
  first because it was going to be Ilahi, Cruz Cain.
• 1:04:51
  And then it's then we chose Cruz, Ilahi Cain, and that's
• 1:04:54
  been that. But Ilahi is a native word,
• 1:04:58
  which he's also on his I on my side too.
• 1:05:01
  I'm Native American a little bit, but his dad is like a lot a
• 1:05:04
  Native American, you know, like he's registered native and so is
• 1:05:09
  Cruz. And so we wanted to kind of
• 1:05:11
  blend like my background of the lower rogue and the native
• 1:05:16
  language history type and his back, Sam's background and Sam
• 1:05:22
  is Cruz's dad. We're we're homies.
• 1:05:25
  And so Ilahi, which means like settlement or Earth.
• 1:05:31
  So there's like a spot down the lower rogue named Ilahi.
• 1:05:35
  So anyway, so that's. That I love that combination of
• 1:05:39
  of your personal histories and your genealogical histories.
• 1:05:42
  Yeah, kind of a blended that. Very intentional it was.
• 1:05:45
  Very intentional naming, very intentional.
• 1:05:49
  And where was I So that. Oh yeah.
• 1:05:53
  And then so Sean and I got together.
• 1:05:55
  He loved bikes. I kind of already loved bikes
• 1:05:59
  too, but not to the extent that Sean loved his bikes, right.
• 1:06:05
  And I had dated a guy that was really into mountain biking and
• 1:06:09
  bike centered stuff in Bend. And so I kind of got a glimpse
• 1:06:13
  of mountain biking then. And then when I got with Sean, I
• 1:06:16
  really like that's kind of part of our love story, which would
• 1:06:19
  be cool to tell one day. It's centered around mountain
• 1:06:23
  biking, truly. And so I bought a mountain bike
• 1:06:26
  and like that whole sector is like history, you know, Then
• 1:06:30
  buying the bike shop. We bought the bike shop and our
• 1:06:32
  lives have been really centered around bike adventuring.
• 1:06:35
  And you bought the bike shop right before COVID.
• 1:06:39
  During COVID? During COVID 2021, OK 2020.
• 1:06:43
  One made it through and. We made it through, survived.
• 1:06:46
  It was really great for a few years and then it kind of like
• 1:06:48
  dipped and now we're like plateaued at like a healthy.
• 1:06:50
  It's more like the economy for the bike stuff is a little bit
• 1:06:53
  more healthy and and plateaued. Nice.
• 1:06:56
  Which is great. A little more sustainable.
• 1:06:57
  Sustainable, yeah. So there for a while it was like
• 1:07:01
  touch and go and Sean is still working the two jobs to like
• 1:07:04
  make it work for us because we don't we still aren't taking a
• 1:07:07
  profit or paying ourselves with the bike shop.
• 1:07:09
  That's very important to know. Yeah, the bike shop does not pay
• 1:07:12
  us. I'm more my bike gear because it
• 1:07:14
  is our brand. But and I did my dad did buy my
• 1:07:18
  first mountain bike there when I was little.
• 1:07:20
  So it's very full circle moment having the bike shop and it's
• 1:07:25
  brought us a lot of community and a lot of like outdoor
• 1:07:27
  centered community because everybody likes mountain biking,
• 1:07:30
  camping, like the whole shebang. We've really created this cool
• 1:07:35
  community from the mountain bike world and just bike world in
• 1:07:38
  general. Like right, like 2 wheels is
• 1:07:40
  better. I did sell when I was 21.
• 1:07:45
  I was with one of my boyfriends and he was also really into
• 1:07:50
  bikes and I sold my car and I biked for two years during my
• 1:07:56
  college and stuff and just just had a bike and just because our
• 1:08:00
  town is like 5 miles across, like you can really.
• 1:08:03
  Depending on where you are living, you can get just about
• 1:08:07
  anywhere. So I just like biked everywhere
• 1:08:09
  and that was really fun. I was when I was a vegan and I
• 1:08:13
  was like super duper virtue signaling liberal.
• 1:08:19
  I'm not so much. I'm more, I'm more mild.
• 1:08:21
  Now what? There's a ton of little baby
• 1:08:25
  fish in the water right there. What is it like biking through
• 1:08:30
  Grants Pass? Like it's not a town that from
• 1:08:33
  my perspective as a non biker it's not very accommodating for
• 1:08:38
  bicycle transport. Yeah, it's like one of the like
• 1:08:41
  non just took off what that big? The big bird?
• 1:08:47
  It might be a baby bald eagle. Oh.
• 1:08:49
  It is. It's a bald eagle, of course.
• 1:08:53
  The bald eagle would arrive for your episode Polytus
• 1:08:55
  Lucocephalus. Oh, there you.
• 1:08:57
  Go. I've said it so many times that,
• 1:08:58
  you know, halitus lucocephalus. Yeah, the bald eagle is my
• 1:09:02
  spirit animal and I love that. Jolene, Bobby.
• 1:09:06
  Jolene, Bobby. Jolene Bald Eagle.
• 1:09:08
  Yeah, that's my Merial name. Well, I've had I've had a lot of
• 1:09:10
  Merial names, but that's like the fun one that actually me and
• 1:09:15
  Claire would come up with cuz Claire Bear worked down there or
• 1:09:18
  whatever and shout out Claire. I think she's an avid listener.
• 1:09:21
  Very much so, very much. So we need to get her on.
• 1:09:24
  Yep. On the.
• 1:09:27
  List. She's on the list.
• 1:09:28
  There's a lot of people on our list.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, we got lots of paper. Which is like, wow, like just a
• 1:09:33
  quick moment for that. I know what a blessing and honor
• 1:09:37
  it is to have so many people as potential guests, people
• 1:09:43
  reaching out to us, people that we've thought of of from our own
• 1:09:47
  thought of on our own. Gee whiz.
• 1:09:50
  Gee whiz, Gee willikers. Gee, Whitaker.
• 1:09:54
  Just how like how well received this podcast product has been by
• 1:09:58
  both listeners, guests, Yeah, anybody who comes across it.
• 1:10:04
  I agree. I agree.
• 1:10:05
  And something to admit with that is like I like, I feel like
• 1:10:10
  Emily real quick. I feel like Emily has always
• 1:10:12
  been like, dude, this podcast is going to be major, huge, major
• 1:10:15
  big. And I've always been like, yeah,
• 1:10:18
  maybe I've always just been kind of like, like I just have to see
• 1:10:23
  where it goes, you know? Like not that I have big
• 1:10:26
  aspirations for it. That would be great.
• 1:10:27
  But I'm also someone that gets my hopes up.
• 1:10:29
  So I have to really pump breaks when I get really like, because
• 1:10:36
  making sure it's sustainable, which has been a struggle like
• 1:10:39
  and stuff like that. So I have to my mindset is
• 1:10:43
  growing more big vision as it grows.
• 1:10:50
  I'm like, yes, OK, it's happening.
• 1:10:51
  Cool. I sat back.
• 1:10:52
  I just kind of wanted to see like make sure that it was
• 1:10:55
  something that we weren't just going to fall off of.
• 1:10:57
  I don't know how you operate. I don't know how to operate and
• 1:10:59
  like you know so. And at the same time, when we
• 1:11:03
  first started getting into this, you had lots of ideas and you
• 1:11:07
  still have lots of ideas that are beyond our capacity and
• 1:11:11
  reach right now. And I've been the one to say,
• 1:11:14
  let's just stay focused on, yeah, I think we've been a
• 1:11:16
  really consistent product and we can get to those bigger ideas.
• 1:11:21
  Yes, absolutely. And I think that's where you and
• 1:11:25
  I have like really good yin and Yang energy of like I, you know,
• 1:11:29
  like I'm very much a idea person and I can execute too.
• 1:11:34
  I can, I can execute for a long amount of time and then I fall
• 1:11:38
  off hard. That's how I operate.
• 1:11:41
  And then I'm just like, dude, I need a break.
• 1:11:42
  Oh my God. I like get so burnt out.
• 1:11:44
  And that's something I'm trying to manage in my adult years and
• 1:11:47
  figuring out. Spend all the gas right out of
• 1:11:49
  the gate. Yeah, so, but I'm learning how
• 1:11:52
  to just like fix my engine so it can just like take a lot of gas
• 1:11:55
  all the time. And I think I'm getting there.
• 1:11:57
  And it's really cool to see like my, like, consistency progress.
• 1:12:03
  And the more I'm consistent, the more I feel like I can be
• 1:12:06
  consistent with anything, which is really a cool growth
• 1:12:10
  situation. Absolutely.
• 1:12:11
  Is your bald eagles back? I I can definitely attest to
• 1:12:15
  that. It has been really cool to
• 1:12:18
  observe. Here it is.
• 1:12:19
  Hey baby. Hell yeah, Baldy.
• 1:12:25
  I was dating a river guide. Shout out to him.
• 1:12:29
  He knows who he is if he listens.
• 1:12:31
  I don't know who knows it would be cool to get him on actually.
• 1:12:33
  He's really cool dude. But he like during like a weird
• 1:12:39
  winter period, not weird winter period, but like there's a
• 1:12:42
  there's like a couple month period where the bald eagles are
• 1:12:44
  like like fleas on trees up in Washington on the Skagit River.
• 1:12:51
  And I went up there and visited him once or twice, I can't
• 1:12:55
  remember. And that was really awesome to
• 1:12:59
  see. I had already fallen in love
• 1:13:01
  with bald eagles, like on the river, like working down at
• 1:13:03
  Mariel and stuff. But then that, like, really
• 1:13:05
  solidified it, like, seeing them, hearing them, living with
• 1:13:09
  them essentially. It was really cool.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah. So that was a really cool.
• 1:13:13
  Just like hundreds. Yeah, everywhere.
• 1:13:15
  Like everywhere bald eagles. Everywhere Bald eagles.
• 1:13:17
  Yeah, with your with your kind. With my kind, yeah.
• 1:13:21
  Yeah. So it was really neat anyway.
• 1:13:23
  Awesome, thank you. This has been a wonderful treat
• 1:13:26
  Heather to to hear more of your story.
• 1:13:29
  I'm saying this on behalf of these people cuz I've heard most
• 1:13:32
  of this a few times also. Tell me.
• 1:13:35
  I haven't told Emily this, but I I came up with my name for my
• 1:13:39
  hiking and coffee club. Oh.
• 1:13:41
  Finally, what is it? Are you going to unveil it?
• 1:13:43
  Yeah. I will unveil it because it's
• 1:13:45
  not quite ready to be launched because it's like not a thing
• 1:13:48
  really. I just, I'm just like.
• 1:13:50
  It's an idea. It's coming to life.
• 1:13:52
  It is, yeah. Grounds.
• 1:13:54
  Awesome coffee. Grounds and grounds.
• 1:13:56
  Like what the fuck? What more do you need?
• 1:13:58
  I know. And don't steal that from me.
• 1:14:00
  Yeah, but it's going to be grounds and then it'll be hike,
• 1:14:02
  coffee, social. Love it.
• 1:14:05
  My bad. So anyway, there's a there's
• 1:14:07
  another thing. That Heather does is host group
• 1:14:11
  outings she Heather has the send her mountain biking club women's
• 1:14:16
  group no drop mountain biking meet up social rides social ride
• 1:14:22
  she's doing she's about to begin this hike and coffee club just
• 1:14:27
  go hike and drink coffee make coffee drink coffee.
• 1:14:32
  She does semi regular goddess gatherings, invites a bunch of
• 1:14:36
  girls to a lovely location to snack and yap and.
• 1:14:41
  Snack and yap baby, that's actually really good.
• 1:14:44
  Thank you. And those are just some of the
• 1:14:47
  awesome things that Heather does to host and build community and
• 1:14:51
  connect friends and connect with her friends.
• 1:14:54
  And Heather's just a fucking delight.
• 1:14:58
  And it really has been a I've had many great honors in my life
• 1:15:05
  and it's hard to put them any above another.
• 1:15:09
  So they all get to sit together and starting and hosting this
• 1:15:14
  podcast with you is absolutely one of those great honors.
• 1:15:17
  And. You don't even.
• 1:15:19
  Know for all of the reasons and one especially in that I've
• 1:15:25
  gotten to see so much growth and personal development in you in
• 1:15:30
  the last year and seeing you be so dedicated to improving
• 1:15:36
  yourself in the ways that you've identified you want to improve
• 1:15:40
  and how much you just throw yourself into doing the things
• 1:15:45
  you want to do and really committing to.
• 1:15:48
  The bit, the the. Life that you want to live and
• 1:15:51
  the person that you want to be and you can be susceptible to
• 1:15:57
  other people's input and also don't tell you what to fucking
• 1:16:01
  do because you're going to do whatever you want to do right
• 1:16:04
  right and I respect that I'm. Getting, I'm getting.
• 1:16:06
  I feel like just this last few years, I had a big moment where
• 1:16:12
  I was really mean one time. Yeah.
• 1:16:14
  And it really changed the trajectory of my life.
• 1:16:18
  Only my closest people will know about that situation that
• 1:16:21
  happened. And since then, I have been on a
• 1:16:26
  journey to just become a more soft human.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah. And I might make mistakes, you
• 1:16:36
  know, here and there, but I also grow from those mistakes.
• 1:16:41
  And. Yeah.
• 1:16:44
  That's, that's what they say. The only way for us to grow is
• 1:16:48
  to mess up and see where where our areas of improvement, where
• 1:16:53
  our our cracks and our tweaks are so that we can recalibrate
• 1:16:58
  and. I've been great.
• 1:17:00
  Your acknowledgement of that and the dedication to your
• 1:17:05
  correction. Yeah, I just want to be the like
• 1:17:07
  that person that. Oh, is this when?
• 1:17:12
  So when you when your body expires and your soul leaves
• 1:17:15
  this point of existence, how do you want to be remembered?
• 1:17:17
  Yeah, so that was just bringing up this the last celebration of
• 1:17:22
  life that I did go to. I don't know if it was the last,
• 1:17:25
  but it was close to the last. It was my friend Larry, who was
• 1:17:28
  a river guide that I met at Mariel, and his celebration of
• 1:17:33
  life was so beautiful. I was pregnant with Roscoe.
• 1:17:39
  I remember when I went there and it was just like the amount of
• 1:17:43
  people, the love, the stories that were told from the people
• 1:17:47
  getting up and chatting about Larry.
• 1:17:49
  And like all of his little his just his little like things that
• 1:17:54
  he would do for people and little like memory things and
• 1:17:57
  like, you know, like written letters and like just stuff that
• 1:18:01
  like really touched people's life.
• 1:18:04
  That's what I want to be. And like, that's all he was
• 1:18:06
  trying to do is inspire others like he I have a little thing
• 1:18:09
  that says live like Larry because it's it's actually like
• 1:18:12
  a boat toggle. Yeah, my mom has one on her
• 1:18:15
  boat. Okay.
• 1:18:16
  And and it's true, I actually would like to get it tattooed
• 1:18:20
  because I just it, it's just a reminder of like being a soft
• 1:18:24
  human smile like so simple, just smile at people.
• 1:18:28
  So like, and I just want to be after that moment I had that
• 1:18:32
  negative moment I had. And then and then seeing I think
• 1:18:37
  the the funeral was right after having not they were right after
• 1:18:42
  having that really low moment that I had.
• 1:18:44
  It was kind of in the same era, but I was just like, dude, no,
• 1:18:48
  like you want people to show up at your funeral.
• 1:18:51
  So I just want to be remembered truly, like as a smiley kind.
• 1:18:58
  I'm still working on the kind part.
• 1:18:59
  Like it's a practice when I'm just like a spicy only child
• 1:19:03
  that always got my way. Like I've had to really rewire
• 1:19:05
  my brain, but like inspiring friendly, like I don't ever want
• 1:19:11
  like I've never really had any like beef with people because
• 1:19:14
  like that's so pointless. Like I just try to like squash
• 1:19:17
  stuff if they happen or like whatever.
• 1:19:20
  And I don't know, I just want to be an all income.
• 1:19:23
  I want to be remembered as like an all-encompassing awesome
• 1:19:27
  human and like mom too. Like I can get into the my
• 1:19:33
  momming, but like, that's an episode for another day because
• 1:19:36
  I, I could go down the rabbit hole with my kids, but like, I
• 1:19:39
  want to be remembered for just like being a really inspiring
• 1:19:44
  how somebody should live. Like, oh, she was so fun and
• 1:19:46
  nice and cool and spirited and like, like, just like everything
• 1:19:52
  was positive. That's what's like everything
• 1:19:53
  was positive. Yeah, where somebody can go into
• 1:19:56
  a situation really like, what would Heather do?
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, yeah. I would Heather be here.
• 1:20:02
  I want to be like that. Yeah, just fun and just a good
• 1:20:05
  friend. Just want to be as a good
• 1:20:06
  friend, solid mom that tried to like, just tried, right?
• 1:20:12
  Like that's all we can do. Yeah.
• 1:20:14
  So that's how I remembered. I think you're doing a good job
• 1:20:17
  of that and getting better every day.
• 1:20:18
  And a connector. I like to connect to people, you
• 1:20:21
  know, like. Boy, do I know.
• 1:20:24
  Help people create community, yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Absolutely. And what is your favorite piece
• 1:20:30
  of outdoor gear equipment that you always have with you?
• 1:20:33
  These tacos so I love me some tacos.
• 1:20:39
  This is, I've had these tacos for almost 10 years, 10 years,
• 1:20:44
  10 years, and they're there to their time to be retired.
• 1:20:51
  But yeah, I would say I hike, I've hiked in them.
• 1:20:54
  I don't always, but like if I'm only have these, they will
• 1:20:57
  suffice. I could hike a bolt and be like
• 1:20:59
  pretty fine. Like not a whole lot of
• 1:21:03
  blisters, which is good. So those.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah. What else?
• 1:21:06
  What else? What else?
• 1:21:09
  Nothing else, just that just I'm always have my tacos usually.
• 1:21:13
  Yeah, I see that. And yes, yeah, keep your blue
• 1:21:18
  eyes and your light skin shaded. Yeah, always have a hat I.
• 1:21:23
  Feel like my voice has been very deep this episode, so let me sit
• 1:21:26
  up here and change my voice a little bit.
• 1:21:29
  And what is a piece of advice for your younger self?
• 1:21:37
  Just be nicer, be nice, Heather, calm down, be nice, have
• 1:21:44
  patience, chill out a little bit.
• 1:21:47
  Like, you don't have to be like just, you know, be more
• 1:21:51
  thoughtful, more mindful, but like.
• 1:21:53
  More to mirror. More to mirror.
• 1:21:55
  Yeah, more to mirror. But also like don't like that
• 1:21:59
  could be like being mindful. I think I plagued that with also
• 1:22:04
  like my virtue signaling, looking back like, oh, I'm just
• 1:22:07
  being mindful. It's like, no, bitch, you were
• 1:22:09
  like putting people down that like we're in bad places in in
• 1:22:13
  a, in a judgmental way that was not necessary.
• 1:22:16
  Like now I'm just like, whatever, I don't know what
• 1:22:18
  they're going through. I don't know why they left the
• 1:22:20
  diaper on the side of the Oh, well, like maybe mention it, but
• 1:22:24
  don't get upset. Just pick it up.
• 1:22:26
  Just a diaper. Let's let's just move on.
• 1:22:30
  Maybe they forgot, you know, giving people the benefit of the
• 1:22:32
  doubt, giving people grace, giving people grace.
• 1:22:34
  I would say that that's like just give, just give life more
• 1:22:37
  grace. Heather absolutely.
• 1:22:40
  And be. More graceful.
• 1:22:43
  Dancer, you're pretty graceful in your own way, and what is a
• 1:22:50
  piece of advice for somebody wanting to get into mountain
• 1:22:55
  biking or. Community.
• 1:22:56
  Building or community building or.
• 1:22:58
  On the real. Estate or hiking with friends or
• 1:23:05
  parenting wild kids outside. Well, pick one and I'll tell
• 1:23:11
  you, pick one. Mountain biking.
• 1:23:13
  OK, even though we barely talked about mountain biking in this
• 1:23:16
  episode, it's. Big on me.
• 1:23:17
  It's big on my life. Yeah.
• 1:23:18
  Mountain. Biking it is what you drive
• 1:23:20
  conversation towards very often in other episodes.
• 1:23:24
  That's funny to notice or it's like good to notice that.
• 1:23:26
  That's I didn't notice that. Anybody who says that they don't
• 1:23:32
  bike, you say you bring up. Do you ever?
• 1:23:34
  Do you mountain bike? Do you want a mountain bike?
• 1:23:36
  Yes. Do you want a mountain bike?
• 1:23:37
  Do you want to go mountain biking?
• 1:23:40
  Well, because mountain biking is literally like it's that type
• 1:23:45
  too fun. It is amazing.
• 1:23:47
  I love mountain biking. Not usually while I'm doing it,
• 1:23:51
  like I like it while I'm doing it too, but like it's afterwards
• 1:23:53
  I'm feeling. After.
• 1:23:55
  I just like such a dopamine hit, yeah.
• 1:24:00
  OK, yeah, advice for somebody wanting to get into mountain
• 1:24:02
  biking? Just come into the bike shop and
• 1:24:05
  we'll hook it up. Like truly like all you have to
• 1:24:08
  do. Like we are a community driven
• 1:24:10
  bike shop and I try to direct people in there because we have
• 1:24:13
  our Thursday night group ride that happens every Thursday,
• 1:24:17
  rain or shine, light or dark, all Thursdays of the year.
• 1:24:21
  Maybe like one or two Sean has to take off because we're doing
• 1:24:24
  something and then he usually gets somebody else to host it.
• 1:24:27
  So it still. Happens and where do those
• 1:24:28
  happen? We rotate places, so mostly
• 1:24:32
  Cathedral Hills and Mountain of the Rogue.
• 1:24:34
  I would like to get a little bit more Dollar Mountain, but Dollar
• 1:24:37
  Mountain is a bit of a steep incline at first, which is a
• 1:24:42
  barrier to entry. It's kind of more of an E bike,
• 1:24:49
  an E bike mountain. Unfortunately, you have to
• 1:24:52
  really have some good stamina or take breaks along the way
• 1:24:55
  climbing up too. Anyway, I haven't explored a ton
• 1:24:58
  of it. I need to we're we have a girls
• 1:25:00
  group ride out there soon. Cool.
• 1:25:02
  But he needs to incorporate a little bit more of that and he
• 1:25:04
  will over time. But yeah, so that's rotating at
• 1:25:08
  6:30 Thursday, 6:30 PM on Thursdays and then and my girls
• 1:25:15
  group ride is every other Thursday for now.
• 1:25:17
  And while it kind of builds and we'll see if it can go every
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  Thursday or not, but that's kind of all I can afford for a
• 1:25:22
  babysitter on Thursdays. Your community ride.
• 1:25:27
  And we do a once a month, second Saturday.
• 1:25:29
  Saturday of the month we do a joyride, which is we ride from
• 1:25:34
  the bike shop to the weekend beer company and that's actually
• 1:25:39
  a really good entry but to biking in general and we have
• 1:25:44
  rentals at the shop and usually if you like message me, I will
• 1:25:49
  just reserve you a bike for free.
• 1:25:51
  If you want to come like I'm very much on like we do have
• 1:25:54
  rentals for the general population that like, you know,
• 1:25:58
  that are just like I need a rental.
• 1:25:59
  I didn't know about you or da da da.
• 1:26:00
  They will pay the full price. But like for people that are
• 1:26:03
  like, Hey, Heather, I really want to go.
• 1:26:05
  I'm a mountain bike. Maybe I'm thinking about getting
• 1:26:07
  1. I don't even know if I want to
• 1:26:08
  can I do that? I'm usually like we have a bike
• 1:26:10
  for you like I and. If you go into the bike shop and
• 1:26:12
  you mentioned go wildly, Sean will say right on.
• 1:26:17
  Sean will say, cool, you should just message me first if you
• 1:26:21
  need to borrow a bike because that's, you got to kind of go
• 1:26:25
  through me to go to get a free bike essentially.
• 1:26:27
  I mean, they're my bikes too. I own them 5050.
• 1:26:30
  But like still like if you just come in mentioning it and I've
• 1:26:33
  never corresponded with you before, that's it's reserved for
• 1:26:36
  friends, you know, and all you have to do to be a friend is
• 1:26:39
  message me. And then you make a personal
• 1:26:42
  connection, make a personal connection.
• 1:26:43
  Be like, hey girl, I saw this and like my family wants to come
• 1:26:46
  out like can you do 2 bikes? And yeah, I'd be like, totally,
• 1:26:50
  I want to get those bikes out on on whatever surface.
• 1:26:54
  So yeah. So biking for biking, it's we
• 1:26:57
  have a good entry level program type of thing through the group
• 1:27:02
  ride. But like starting, starting out,
• 1:27:04
  I would just find a used bike online.
• 1:27:08
  Very simple, 500 bucks. If you can muster, you could
• 1:27:13
  actually buy a a bike from us for 500.
• 1:27:17
  I think they do have maybe 6, maybe 7 anyway sub 1000.
• 1:27:22
  But you can buy a decent bike online for a couple 100 bucks
• 1:27:26
  and just go have it run through at a bike shop.
• 1:27:29
  Make sure it's working properly. Like the shifting's working
• 1:27:32
  because the bike does make the difference.
• 1:27:34
  And and then literally just go out to the park and start like
• 1:27:38
  figuring out braking, like how to use your brakes, like how to
• 1:27:42
  squeeze them and then how to which you don't want to use your
• 1:27:45
  front 1A ton if you're going downhill.
• 1:27:47
  But figuring out how to shift, really just figure out how to
• 1:27:51
  shift, how that works, how it works.
• 1:27:53
  Do maybe find a slight incline, figure out shifting and how that
• 1:27:56
  works. And that's really you can get
• 1:27:58
  going on your own and then come join a group ride.
• 1:28:01
  And you will literally, if you consistently come to a group
• 1:28:04
  ride, you will be then called bike fam.
• 1:28:07
  That's the bike family. And you're just instantly in.
• 1:28:11
  You will, if you connect with someone or Sean or me or
• 1:28:15
  whatever, then you will be invited to our camp outs, our
• 1:28:18
  bike weekends. Like we just, we have to shoot
• 1:28:21
  it out. And even the newest people to
• 1:28:24
  our crew, we're like, hey, you want to come to this thing?
• 1:28:26
  Like, we're very inclusive, truly.
• 1:28:29
  Love it, love it and if people want to hang out with you, find
• 1:28:35
  out more about you, get in touch with you.
• 1:28:37
  How Buy a house for me Buy a house?
• 1:28:40
  From you if you're moving here, how?
• 1:28:41
  Can they get a hold of you? If you how can they find you or
• 1:28:44
  if you want to be found? Oh well, I have my, you know,
• 1:28:49
  social media. So Heather White on Facebook,
• 1:28:51
  it's Heather go wildly on TikTok and Instagram where I do my food
• 1:28:57
  reviews. That's fun.
• 1:29:00
  And that's all. A whole other aspect of me that
• 1:29:02
  we didn't even get into, but. Heather is a multifaceted.
• 1:29:07
  Diamond, Diamond in the rough. A rough giant.
• 1:29:11
  A rough cut. Diamond.
• 1:29:12
  A rough cut diamond. So yeah, just message me.
• 1:29:17
  Really, that's all that needs to happen.
• 1:29:19
  You just message me where you can go into the bike shop and
• 1:29:20
  meet my husband. He is the bearded 1, not the
• 1:29:23
  redhead. You can contact go wildly and.
• 1:29:27
  Yeah, you can contact us. We have emails and stuff and
• 1:29:30
  yeah, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it.
• 1:29:33
  And when it comes to this podcast, who would be your like
• 1:29:38
  dream guest to have on? We just talked about this this
• 1:29:42
  morning. Well, I didn't know like we got,
• 1:29:44
  we got asked that question at 1,000,000 cups and I was like,
• 1:29:47
  Dang, I don't know, like actually I'd have to think about
• 1:29:50
  that. But I think it would be two
• 1:29:54
  people. I would love to have a
• 1:29:57
  conversation with Mickey Agarwal.
• 1:30:02
  Agarwal, she does some cool stuff.
• 1:30:06
  She's not like super like out. She's pretty outdoorsy, but
• 1:30:09
  she's a Burning Man person. I don't know.
• 1:30:11
  I've just been really like, I love.
• 1:30:13
  She's very aligned with me and like what?
• 1:30:15
  She's constantly doing projects. She's the creator of Tushy.
• 1:30:21
  The bidet. The bidet and now hero diapers
• 1:30:26
  she has a son that's about my age I love her fashion choices
• 1:30:29
  I. Your age or your son's age?
• 1:30:31
  Her son and my son are similar ages.
• 1:30:34
  We're we're kind of aligned with our like vibe.
• 1:30:39
  I just really like what she's got going on and she does a lot
• 1:30:42
  of cool projects and she's really successful and she's like
• 1:30:45
  placed herself a lot of in a lot of good places.
• 1:30:48
  And I've read her her and her sister's books.
• 1:30:50
  She's a twin. And they're both kind of like,
• 1:30:53
  you know, kind of entrepreneurs. Cool.
• 1:30:58
  Her sister does the daybreaker, which is the morning raves.
• 1:31:01
  OK, so they're just. Like my little, I think of my
• 1:31:04
  friend Liz turned me on to her and she's like, hey, you kind of
• 1:31:07
  remind me of her with your like hats and stuff like that.
• 1:31:09
  And I'm like, oh, that's cool. So I just connected.
• 1:31:12
  I've never reached out. I probably should, but I've just
• 1:31:14
  always been a cuck in the corner.
• 1:31:16
  Just like watching, you know, just watching her.
• 1:31:20
  This is silent observer. This is Silent Observer cute and
• 1:31:24
  she's been on a few pods and so I'm like, oh, that'd be cool to
• 1:31:26
  have her on and chat about that. And then I this morning I was
• 1:31:31
  like, oh, that'd be a really cool person.
• 1:31:33
  Les Stroud, the original Survivor man, would be a really
• 1:31:37
  cool person to have on the pod to really like, talk about the
• 1:31:41
  outdoors and stuff. I mean, he looks kind of like my
• 1:31:43
  dad. Yeah, that's kind of cool little
• 1:31:45
  connection. Peace.
• 1:31:47
  Cute. Yeah.
• 1:31:48
  Love it. Here we go.
• 1:31:49
  Here we go. And I thought I would have
• 1:31:52
  another question, but. Do you not?
• 1:31:54
  I don't What was the what's another one of our questions?
• 1:31:59
  Like we were talking about like, hey, like where's your?
• 1:32:03
  What's your favorite place to recreate?
• 1:32:04
  Yeah. What's your favorite place to
• 1:32:05
  recreate or like and create community in Southern Oregon?
• 1:32:09
  Just got to put yourself out there.
• 1:32:10
  But favorite place directory is literally just a day.
• 1:32:13
  So since I have two kids, it's it is hard for me to get out and
• 1:32:17
  do like these like more Emily style, like she can go down the
• 1:32:20
  river and like she really has like a ton of free will with
• 1:32:24
  kids. You got to have to, you have
• 1:32:25
  free will, but you have to plan a little bit more.
• 1:32:27
  So it's, you know, it's a little bit more logistics.
• 1:32:32
  So I just like recreating day recreating.
• 1:32:34
  So I love me a Riverside hang, Riverside hang.
• 1:32:40
  And I actually prefer the Applegate for Riverside hanging
• 1:32:44
  or the Illinois versus the Rogue or Creek.
• 1:32:50
  I like the creeks. Like when Francis was talking
• 1:32:52
  about like creeks and stuff, I'm like, I can get down with that.
• 1:32:55
  There's some really, really cool creeks to like, hang out.
• 1:33:00
  River, Creekside, Riverside. Yeah.
• 1:33:02
  So that's kind of how I like to recreate or mountain biking.
• 1:33:05
  Yeah. Or hiking.
• 1:33:06
  I mean, I do a lot of hiking too.
• 1:33:08
  Inevitably, I did a lot of hiking last year, not so much
• 1:33:10
  this year. I'm trying to like, kind of
• 1:33:11
  that's why I'm working a lot this year.
• 1:33:13
  This is what's changed. It's like I'm working a ton in
• 1:33:16
  my like career to like be able to have the money to do all the
• 1:33:20
  things, all my aspirations, really.
• 1:33:22
  Like the real estate is like a portal for me living my like
• 1:33:27
  best outdoors life. I just need the money.
• 1:33:29
  So it, you know, but it helps because I do have a passion for
• 1:33:32
  real estate and like helping people and connecting people.
• 1:33:34
  That's like where it's at. But yeah, so that's why I'm
• 1:33:40
  starting the coffee club because I'm like, oh, I need to hike,
• 1:33:42
  but I also have to work. So I have to kind of like tie
• 1:33:44
  them all together and like make it a thing.
• 1:33:47
  And so that's, and it kind of holds me to getting out.
• 1:33:51
  Yeah, because I've been, it's been a little bit harder for me
• 1:33:53
  to just like get out. Like, I'm a big fan of combining
• 1:33:59
  the things that you want and need to do and doing things that
• 1:34:04
  you want to do regardless and inviting people along.
• 1:34:08
  And so if nobody shows up, you're still doing what you want
• 1:34:10
  to do. And if people do show up, great,
• 1:34:12
  Now it's a social activity, but not waiting for other people to
• 1:34:16
  go and do the things you want to do.
• 1:34:17
  I'll just be at the trailhead at this time with my coffee.
• 1:34:21
  Like we're gonna the, the thought is to like make coffee
• 1:34:25
  up at a spot like once we've hiked and then we'll make coffee
• 1:34:28
  and hang out in a little bit and then hike back down, clean up
• 1:34:31
  and hike back down with our coffee.
• 1:34:32
  And like, that's what it is. It's kind of like half
• 1:34:35
  networking group, half hiking club, half just like, let's
• 1:34:39
  drink some coffee. I.
• 1:34:41
  Have. It is.
• 1:34:44
  It's like a band diagram anyway. And so, yeah.
• 1:34:48
  Great. We thought this was going to be
• 1:34:50
  a short episode, but this is likely about as long as all of
• 1:34:53
  our other episodes. So you're welcome.
• 1:34:55
  And that's all for today. Yes, also, if you want to hear
• 1:35:01
  any more about anything that I've talked about since we are
• 1:35:05
  the host and we'll do this for Emily's episode too.
• 1:35:08
  You want to high five with her foot?
• 1:35:09
  Woo, Oh, that hero. Woo, Ow, that was kick me harder
• 1:35:14
  harder. OK, I don't know why.
• 1:35:16
  Wow, sorry, it's the book I'm reading anyway.
• 1:35:21
  Yeah, please respond, ask questions, ask.
• 1:35:24
  Questions like write in the comments below.
• 1:35:26
  Like if you want to hear more about something specific I
• 1:35:28
  chatted about or my life, please ask questions.
• 1:35:31
  We're going to get ready to do an AQ and a type of episode.
• 1:35:36
  On our in our bio on Instagram we have a link with a form where
• 1:35:41
  you can ask us anything that we will then answer on an upcoming
• 1:35:44
  episode. Yeah.
• 1:35:45
  And I think our goal is to do more Emily and iPods too to just
• 1:35:49
  so our listeners can get to know us better.
• 1:35:51
  I think that's we're going to sprinkle those in and that'll be
• 1:35:55
  great for a few reasons. Sprinkling in to make I'm sorry
• 1:36:00
  my yeah, my arm fell asleep guys.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, yeah. Bringing more of our stories
• 1:36:06
  into the mix so that you can. Get to know us, you can.
• 1:36:08
  Get to know us, we build our credibility and sometimes we
• 1:36:13
  have guests that have to cancel last minute and it's really hard
• 1:36:17
  to fill that spot last minute so we can take advantage of that by
• 1:36:22
  recording an episode of just us and.
• 1:36:24
  Also, we always are like we should have started the we
• 1:36:28
  should have started the camera because we whenever we talk it's
• 1:36:31
  like we're talking about good shit.
• 1:36:34
  We yap in the best, we're yapping like we're just fun and
• 1:36:38
  so for sure. When the camera turns on like a
• 1:36:40
  different a different personality kind of tweaks.
• 1:36:44
  Out I kind of. I try to not have that happen.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah, I try to forget that there's even a camera here, but
• 1:36:48
  just to like be in a for more formal sitting situation.
• 1:36:54
  We're gonna we're gonna start sprinkling them in.
• 1:36:56
  More practice more, more getting to know.
• 1:36:58
  It's also what I was saying when my hand was going.
• 1:37:01
  It's like a good fill in episode, yeah.
• 1:37:02
  So to just try to like Bulk Up and for people to get to know us
• 1:37:06
  and. Stuff like, it's not like it's
• 1:37:07
  not even fill in necessarily, it's just it's in the mix.
• 1:37:11
  Well, we've had some people reach out and guess be like, I
• 1:37:15
  really want to kind of get to know you guys more and like your
• 1:37:18
  story and background and like what makes you credible to host
• 1:37:20
  an outdoor podcast like so here we go.
• 1:37:23
  This is it. Welcome.
• 1:37:26
  I'm Heather, I'm Emily, and together we're go wildly.
• 1:37:32
  OK, let's let's shake our asses. Shake, shake that.
• 1:37:37
  Ass for me. Shake that ass for me.
• 1:37:39
  Shake that ass for me. Shake that ass for me.
• 1:37:44
  Oh, girl. All right.
• 1:37:46
  OK. Thanks for stopping by.
• 1:37:48
  Thank you. Thank you so much.
• 1:37:50
  Please like, share and subscribe.
• 1:37:53
  Goodbye. Love you.
• 1:37:54
  Bye. That's a wrap on this episode of
• 1:37:59
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• 1:38:01
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• 1:38:18
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