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It Was Shortly After I Returned From the Moon... · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: It was shortly after I returned from the Moon that
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  Speaker 1: I thought, what about artificial intelligence? It's one more thing,
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  Speaker 1: one more thing. So Roanan Pharaoh, who was Woody Ellen,
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  Speaker 1: and Mia Pharaoh's son, who looks a hell of a
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  Speaker 1: lot like Frank Sinatra, with whom Mia Pharaoh slept many
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  Speaker 1: times and was brainwashed by his crazy, crazy mom into thinking,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion that what he had molested him. I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that to be true. But anyway, that's neither
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  Speaker 1: here nor there. He's become an interesting but somewhat wacky journalist.
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  Speaker 1: Ronan Faroh haven't heard from him for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: but he was talking to Katie Kuric the other day
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  Speaker 1: and well you'll hear what he was discussing. It had
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  Speaker 1: to do with Sam Altman, the open AI guy, one
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  Speaker 1: of the I would say, well, absolutely on the Mount
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  Speaker 1: Rushmore of people bringing Ai to the world. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what exactly is happening in China, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: of the people were aware of Altman and Dario Amodi
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  Speaker 1: of Anthropic and a couple of other guys are absolutely
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  Speaker 1: on that Mount Rushmore. But Ronan Farrow, with an allegedly
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  Speaker 1: true account of a bit of a quirk that mister
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  Speaker 1: Altman has, let's roll at Michael.
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately, a few years after the founding mopen Ai, this
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  Speaker 2: was in late twenty twenty three, was fired by board
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  Speaker 2: members and executives who simply felt he was lying too much.
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  Speaker 2: This is an extraordinary thing, Katie. Silicon Valley is built
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  Speaker 2: on hype, empty promises, right valuations that skyrocket long before
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  Speaker 2: there's a product that actually works for anyone. This is
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  Speaker 2: on such a scale that even with that baseline expectation
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  Speaker 2: where frankly, I think we've entered n earra where people
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  Speaker 2: just embrace as a cost of doing business a degree
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  Speaker 2: of dissembling. Sam Altman appears to have been doing it
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  Speaker 2: so much that it was almost all anyone could talk
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  Speaker 2: about after dealing with him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the Elon Musk will be on
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  Speaker 1: Mars in ten years, Tesla will be entirely self driving
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  Speaker 1: by next Tuesday. You know, he's constantly over promising, or
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  Speaker 1: at least over promising how quickly things will happen. And
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  Speaker 1: that absolutely is a big part of Silicon Valley because
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  Speaker 1: they've got to raise zillions of dollars to do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of this work. So Yeah, they're all just salesman,
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  Speaker 1: which I remind Jack of on a fairly regular basis.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently Altman is beyond a pt Barnum type. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a screw loose.
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  Speaker 2: And we interview more than one hundred people, and we
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  Speaker 2: uncover hundreds of pages of internal records. A majority of
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  Speaker 2: those people really did say some variation on the theme
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  Speaker 2: of he's a pathological liar. Actually, multiple people by us
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  Speaker 2: use the term sociopath.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, I've known a couple of people like that in
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  Speaker 1: my life and read about others. Well, let's go on.
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  Speaker 1: Give us evidence, give us examples, Ronan.
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  Speaker 2: And this is everything from very minor things. We document
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  Speaker 2: earlier cases in his career where also there were efforts
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  Speaker 2: to force him out of jobs amidst allegations of dishonesty.
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  Speaker 2: And at one earliest startup, you know, he was claiming
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  Speaker 2: to everyone he was a champion ping pong player, and
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  Speaker 2: then they played ping pong in the office and he
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  Speaker 2: was one of the worst players in the office. And Sam,
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  Speaker 2: you know, his responses on each of these are documented
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  Speaker 2: in the piece.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you'll look.
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  Speaker 2: He says on that I was probably joking.
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  Speaker 3: It's reminding me of a friend I had that was.
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  Speaker 4: Ninety percent of the stuff that came out of his
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  Speaker 4: mouth was just bs.
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  Speaker 3: So when he would tell.
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  Speaker 4: Us a story our friends, we would start going, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 5: Huh, so screw loose, a fabulous like Joe Biden or
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  Speaker 5: Brian Williams or somebody who had to just have a
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  Speaker 5: great story to tell, whether it was true or not.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's probably close to that, yeah, because I
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  Speaker 4: mean there was no like ill intent behind any of
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  Speaker 4: the stories. It was just like he loved to get
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  Speaker 4: the room going. And you know, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what that psychology is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had one guy, a friend, Yeah, a friend
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  Speaker 1: is accurate. I suppose not a close friend, but a
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  Speaker 1: friend who was a lot of fun, really smart, but
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  Speaker 1: he had like a moral screw loose and he would
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  Speaker 1: cheat his friends, whether in sports or business or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Poker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, really likable, but just semi sociopath. I think, well,
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  Speaker 1: what would happen? What was stable relationship? By the way,
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  Speaker 1: uh with a great woman. I think she's great, she
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  Speaker 1: seems great. I don't know anyway, Oh, I'm sorry, would.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Well, was there any like if did he ever
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  Speaker 4: get busted and how was What was the reaction if
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  Speaker 4: he did denial?
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  Speaker 3: Interesting?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, no I didn't. That's not true. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even as people are like, oh, yeah you did, we're
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  Speaker 1: all agreeing. No I didn't. Yeah, I know. It's weird. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I've wondered about that for a long time. What's going
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  Speaker 1: on in somebody's brain like that? All right? Moving along
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  Speaker 1: with the Ronan Pharaohs. So far, not entirely convinced. Sam
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  Speaker 1: Altman is a pathological wire screed.
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  Speaker 2: But then it also extends to serious cases. You know,
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  Speaker 2: before his firing, there was a situation where he assured
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  Speaker 2: board members that the most controversial features of a new
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  Speaker 2: model had been safety tested. Turns out they hadn't. When
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  Speaker 2: they looked into that there was a breach where a
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  Speaker 2: new untested was leaked into India to the public, and
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  Speaker 2: he didn't mention that in hours of briefing with board members.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, yeah, this is a little inside baseball. But
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  Speaker 1: I think given ais probable devastating effect on everything we
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  Speaker 1: old dear, it's worth knowing who these superpower players are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, let's go ahead and hear thirty four Michael,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see if we can comprehend it.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about how these concerns about honesty deep into
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  Speaker 2: the rift with that competitor I mentioned, Dario Amiday. There's
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  Speaker 2: a moment in this piece where there's been an investment
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  Speaker 2: from Microsoft. They're doing a big deal with Microsoft. And
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  Speaker 2: Sam is assuring Dario Amiday that Microsoft has not inserted
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  Speaker 2: any provisions that override the company's safety provisions.
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  Speaker 1: That are in their own charter.
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  Speaker 2: And Sam says, this provision that might threaten the safety
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  Speaker 2: concerns is not there, and Dario literally points to it
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  Speaker 2: and brings in another colleague to verify that it's there.
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  Speaker 2: And then Sam says, oh, well, you know, sure, but
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  Speaker 2: who cares.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of like the guy I was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: No I didn't. Oh yeah, well it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: With the proof right in front of your faith.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay. Interesting. And then, because we couldn't squeeze
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  Speaker 1: this cin during the show, a report it's a thirty
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  Speaker 1: five and thirty six Michael on the speaking of dario
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  Speaker 1: Amidae and anthropic and we'd reported on the show that
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  Speaker 1: they had withdrawn their new AI system because it was
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  Speaker 1: too powerful and too capable of doing evil. Here's a
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  Speaker 1: little report on that.
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  Speaker 6: Artificial intelligence experts are sounding the alarm after AI giant
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  Speaker 6: Anthropic revealed a new model called Mythos that it says
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  Speaker 6: is too powerful to release to the public. In a
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  Speaker 6: blog post, Anthropic saying, during our testing, we found that
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  Speaker 6: Mythos preview is capable of identifying and then exploiting zero
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  Speaker 6: day vulnerabilities in every major operating system and every major
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  Speaker 6: web browser.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, how did she get hit by a car in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of that sentence? That was an oddit?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Katie, Now I'm just this Okay. The fact that
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  Speaker 4: that exists and is out there gikes.
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  Speaker 1: H oh, I wouldn't worry about that in case you
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  Speaker 1: lack imagination. Elizabeth Schultz of ABC continues with what that
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  Speaker 1: might mean.
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  Speaker 6: Experts say, in the wrong hands, this technology could be
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  Speaker 6: used to exploit electric grids, hospitals, even military systems. Now,
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  Speaker 6: instead of releasing mid those to the public, Anthropic is
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  Speaker 6: giving it to a handful of companies, including Amazon, Google,
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  Speaker 6: and Apple. They say the goal is to allow them
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  Speaker 6: to patch holes in their cybersecurity before they're exploited.
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  Speaker 1: Holy hell yeah, I'm reminded of like a car with
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  Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty power and like not good suspension
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  Speaker 1: or breaks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the worst?
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, how would you like your innards
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  Speaker 1: pulled out by a robot? Michael?
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  Speaker 3: This is this is what horror movies are made of.
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  Speaker 1: And given the nature of asymmetrical warfare these days, cyber
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  Speaker 1: attacks and you know, China's ill intent, and I think
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  Speaker 1: we've and we've talked about this through the last several years.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've already seen some of these attacks. They've
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  Speaker 1: been dry runs or experiments. It will be certainly, I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna say, during this term of Trump's presidency and
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  Speaker 1: perhaps the next four years, we'll absolutely see an aggressive
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  Speaker 1: shutting down of a regional power grid or a water
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  Speaker 1: processing system. Oh remember, there was a story not long
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  Speaker 1: ago about I get it wasn't a very big city,
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  Speaker 1: but it was some malevolent actor shut down their water
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  Speaker 1: processing right. It was in the northeast somewhere, and the
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  Speaker 1: reaction was, what the hell, why would anybody do this
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  Speaker 1: to this town? But it was obviously just I pick
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  Speaker 1: a town and do this, and they had their cybergoons
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  Speaker 1: do it as a dry run. So yeah, that's all
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  Speaker 1: coming and if and the wonderful, awful thing about these
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  Speaker 1: AI systems is especially with the now you can do
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  Speaker 1: simple prompts and it will code for you. Is that
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  Speaker 1: any angry dipshit on Earth can have like computing superpowers
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  Speaker 1: to commit the evil acts? Yeah, that's not gonna end. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean to freak people out or anything,
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  Speaker 1: but man, my spider sense is tingling.
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  Speaker 3: As they say, I like your idea. I'm moving into
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  Speaker 3: the forest and watch the squirrels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And I have occasionally aimed good natured
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  Speaker 1: barbes at some of our survivalist apocalyptic people. What's the
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  Speaker 1: common term for thatsts? Yeah, well survivalists yeah, okay, uh preppers,
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  Speaker 1: I mean doomsday preppersh yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. I've occasionally
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  Speaker 1: again aimed a few gentle barbies in their direction. But
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  Speaker 1: the one flaw in my thinking, all right, I'm old enough,
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  Speaker 1: I got a little money saved, I'll be fine. Is that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I have like a little cash in
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  Speaker 1: a drawer.
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  Speaker 7: The rest of it is just ones and zero's on
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  Speaker 7: computer systems, like all of it. Yeah, so what do
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  Speaker 7: we do when the cyber shit hits the fan?
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  Speaker 3: That's why I bury all my money underground.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Michael, all of it now, you got
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  Speaker 1: to diversify. Put some in a.
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  Speaker 3: Tree, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a tree area.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a tree, a tree area, an obscure callback, put
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  Speaker 1: a good one, Katie, all right, that's enough of that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's it.