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- 0:01Hello everybody, and welcome on pat Your reading a maintaining frame, no worries.
- 0:08Uh, okay. What happened with Karen was last time we dealt with
- 0:11this individual Professor Sam Vaknin, and Karen became despondent. She because it's one
- 0:21thing to listen to people who you know, either have no reason to get
- 0:26it or just are incapable of comprehending. But to listen to somebody who should
- 0:34be able to, you know, just get that one last step towards a
- 0:40conclusion that makes a reasonable sense going forward, instead of continuing to think in
- 0:45ideological terms. It's it can get really frustrating. So she's she's taking a
- 0:51mental health day. She's taking a mental health Yeah, she's just gonna she's
- 0:56gonna chill, She's gonna be with her dogs. She's not. I'm the
- 1:02quiet one, not you. Yeah, that's that's a that's a there's a
- 1:07turn about the switch. Yeah, it is not sure if right, But
- 1:12I'm testing the levels now is that better? I may have? We are
- 1:22we are always doing this sounds sort of in blind in some ways, you
- 1:29know, like is apparently we can't really test the sounduntil we start live,
- 1:32so all right, not not for each individual person in the all so to
- 1:38get get people up to speed, because we didn't put this out on YouTube,
- 1:42but the Twitter people would have watched the previous episode. I just don't
- 1:47know if they actually I don't know where it goes? Like this is this
- 1:49is one of the problems with Twitter and the streaming. Where does it go?
- 1:53What? Twitter? What? What are you talking about? Well?
- 1:56The Twitter streaming, the Exeter streaming? What the exter streaming? The xer
- 2:05right now? Yeah, I know when when he stream to x you know,
- 2:08while the stream is live, people can see it. But then when
- 2:12it ends, it goes somewhere, and I just does it sink into the
- 2:19swamps of sadness? Does it just disappear into the void? Where does it
- 2:23go? I still don't know. Yeah, I didn't know that that happened.
- 2:29That's kind of strange. Yeah, maybe there's like some kind of like
- 2:34chasm with all these What you can try to do is is grab the Twitter
- 2:38link and and just put it somewhere and then after the show is over,
- 2:42see if that link works. Where does it go after the show is done?
- 2:47Does it does it go to like a electronic heaven? Who knows?
- 2:53All right, so before we continue, let me do the things we are
- 2:59Oh yeah, yeah, I was supposed to set up the okay, never
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- 3:22yeah, but anyway, if you're listening to this apple the show, yeah,
- 3:25he'll I don't know, yeah, I'll he'll watch it. He'll watch
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- 5:24not yelling into the void, because sometimes it feels like that, especially since
- 5:28you know, you listen to someone who's obviously smart, obviously understand certain things,
- 5:32and then they just fail. Like it's just like they get to the
- 5:34they get almost to the finish line, you know what, they're like inches
- 5:39from the finish line, and then they just I don't know, stab their
- 5:43own thigh and fall backwards and scream, you know, because they just can't
- 5:48make that last little bit of a leap across the chasms. Shall we say?
- 5:55Well, Okay, I'm mixing my metaphors, but you get what I
- 5:58mean. I think you guys do, all right, mm hmm. Okay,
- 6:01So we were saying before the show, you want to like to say
- 6:04that like about oh this guy, Professor Zam Sam veaank and back nin.
- 6:13No. He seems like a smart guy, but he seems to be like
- 6:18missing you knowing that last little bit that he's not taking that last step.
- 6:24And I think it begs the question why, Like, I mean, don't
- 6:33I don't know that it's I don't know that it's ignorance. I don't don't
- 6:38I don't know that it's ignorance, not if you're really trying to be objective
- 6:41cowardice. Okay, here's the thing, the last step on the last inferential
- 6:46step in this whole chain, which is, you know, recognizing that there's
- 6:50an issue with parabonding, recognizing that that does not bode well for human society
- 6:58in particular, it doesn't bode well for those societies that aren't engaging in parawanding
- 7:02and family formation anymore. Because the societies that are, they're going to be
- 7:06the future. So if that's what you want, you can kiss your liberal,
- 7:13egalitarian, feminist democracy goodbye, because it's just not going to go in
- 7:17the future. And that's such an irresponsible attitude to take. If you really
- 7:21value the values of secular democracy of the weird cultures they call them the Western
- 7:29egalitarian whatever else you value our cultural tradition, you value human rights as we
- 7:35understand them. You got you got to attend to the process of family formation
- 7:43because otherwise there will be no one to carry those values forward into the future,
- 7:46and those cultures that don't have them will be the ones that win the
- 7:50future. Okay, And it's like it's so irresponsible, and it really speaks
- 7:57to the fact that everybody who say as they value you know, the kind
- 8:01of liberal democracy principles that they they value human rights for minorities, They value
- 8:09women, being able to have you know, being able to to self actualize
- 8:13in the work world. If even if that is ridiculous because work isn't about
- 8:18that, But they value all of these things, they don't seem to value
- 8:22them enough to ensure that they continue into the future. So how much do
- 8:28they really value them versus using them to just get their rocks off in the
- 8:33moment. That's that's my question. M Like, even even if you are
- 8:39you are one hundred percent like I am an extreme leftist, well yeah,
- 8:46but you don't seem to care about the future. You know, you're not
- 8:52on the right side of history if you don't actually form families to carry that
- 8:56that that belief forward. You know, if you oh yeah, it's you're
- 9:01just defeating self defeating ideology. So even if you're the ultimate left, do
- 9:05what thou wilt including you know, you're basically just saying, I'm just here
- 9:13for myself and that's it. And you know, it's really funny because they
- 9:16talk about, oh, you know, we need to to take responsibility.
- 9:20You know, you don't. You're just here for yourself. You're not even
- 9:24here for the minorities because you're not going to do anything to preserve this cultural
- 9:28tradition into the future. You're the ultimate anti traditionalist, including your own beliefs,
- 9:35you know. And it's not going to be a situation where everybody else
- 9:39in the world is just like, oh yeah, actually, you know what
- 9:41self annihilation is where it's at. They're not going to like the cultures that
- 9:48aren't aren't interested in our values, aren't going to self annihilate. Okay,
- 9:54They're going to be the ones that win. Okay, go ahead, bride.
- 9:56Oh I was going to say, I think that people are missing a
- 9:58little of the text because we are talking kind of like reflecting on a stream
- 10:05we did yesterday on another channel. Oh yeah, but they yeah, because
- 10:11people are like what you know, play the video? What are you talking
- 10:13about? Okay? All right, Well, first of all, we're already
- 10:16nineteen minutes in and he's talking about replacement level birth rates, and he's talking
- 10:22about why and how to deal with it. But he still seems to be
- 10:26talking about it within the context of a feminist framework, which is, let's
- 10:33be honest, when you present men as being undesirable because they're horribly oppressive and
- 10:39everything else that's wrong with the world, you are impeding the process of family
- 10:46formation because you are basically telling women that men are a bad choice. So
- 10:54I don't exactly maybe give a run down on what he said prior to like
- 10:58in the nineteen minute he did the time codes this guy, Well, we
- 11:01went through it last show, so like some of the some of the main
- 11:05points was like, you know this idea that first he starts off by saying,
- 11:09you know, misogyny is on the rise, but it's amongst women,
- 11:13and then he goes on to talk about how women are, you know,
- 11:20more competitive with other women and that they're valuing these kind of like masculine traits
- 11:26that are negative traits like competitiveness, like dominance, et cetera, and talking
- 11:31about what the problems with that are. Let me see if I can.
- 11:35There was one point in particular that he brought up that I thought was really
- 11:37interesting, that women became masculinized, that there's a rise in female narcissism and
- 11:43psychopathy. And then he was going into the problem of male partners that are
- 11:50not At first he says it's not hypergamy, because hypergamy is is a myth
- 11:54that, like the red pill MANI Sphere, perpetuates. But then he goes
- 11:58on to say that women are not finding men of the of an appropriate you
- 12:03know, like level of education, because women are getting better educated than men.
- 12:09They're more educated, so they can't find a man. And of course
- 12:11he equates he does he makes a few mistakes. He equates education with intelligence,
- 12:16so he says women have more degrees, therefore they're smarter, therefore they
- 12:18can't find men that can engage them, you know up upstairs, which is,
- 12:22you know, it's not true. Women are not Just because someone is
- 12:26educated doesn't mean they are necessarily smarter. It just means that they're more indoctrinated,
- 12:31in my opinion, especially with what education is. And the other thing
- 12:37that he said was that let me see if I can find because it was
- 12:43something in particular. Oh yeah, women are are more likely to have.
- 12:50So he's saying that women are the one, on the one hand, hickier,
- 12:56but that they are also like there are no issues with pair bonding because
- 13:01women are having more one night stands, and there is a problem with that
- 13:05as well. This is a thing that I see a lot amongst people on
- 13:09the left that claim to care about this stuff. They will equate sex,
- 13:16casual sex with relationships. These are not the same. They're not. I
- 13:22mean, some relationships become like many relationships become sexual, but things that are
- 13:26sexual don't necessarily mean relationships. So if a man, if a man is
- 13:33looking for a life partner, he wants to pair bond with one woman or
- 13:37life and you know and all that a woman that is interested in casual sex
- 13:41is probably like they're not likely to run into each other, or if they
- 13:48do, then she will essentially ditch him at some point and go on to
- 13:54like have casual sex with other men, and that man will keep looking for
- 13:58the one. And you know, we know that. I mean that's like
- 14:01he's not personally, he's not giving marriage it's due, he's not giving family
- 14:05is due. He acknowledges that birth rates are lower, he acknowledges that families
- 14:11are you know, fewer families are forming, but he's not and it's not
- 14:15about blame per se. But he seems to just put it on men for
- 14:18not essentially being like high status enough to attract women. And so it's still
- 14:24men's fault, you know, Yes, And I think that's the short.
- 14:30Yeah, counterfactual nons Everything the manosphere says is counterfactual, nonsensical myths. All
- 14:35right, women have elevated standards, so consequently they are unable to find a
- 14:39long term partner. So there is no such thing as hypergamy. And but
- 14:43women are not picking them because hypergamy, I mean, because they want high
- 14:46status men, which is not hypergamy. That's something different. Okay, So
- 14:52let's just sum this up. Ultimately, the problem is that there's a lot
- 14:56of commentators who identify that there's a there's an issue she with pair bonding,
- 15:01but they absolutely refuse to entertain any kind of criticism about women, any kind
- 15:07of sense of responsibility for women for the situation any at all. Period.
- 15:13So the real problem with hypergamy is it can be seen as critical to women
- 15:18women, we should recognize that they have every right to be hypergamous, but
- 15:22we can't use the term hypergamy in a critical way. So that's what they
- 15:26really mean when they do something like, oh, the menisphere is wrong about
- 15:31hypergamy, because what's really happening is women are right to pick men that are
- 15:35better than they are because they are the table and men need to bring something
- 15:39to the table. And you see what I'm saying, because they cannot they
- 15:43can they can't. Well hypergamy suggests blame. Yeah, so they can't.
- 15:46They can't. They cannot condone any kind of criticism towards women. And here's
- 15:52the problem. Women are at least half the problem. So if you cannot
- 16:00criticize, actually, if you cannot criticize half of who is contributing to the
- 16:03problem or you know, then they become the biggest problem. Do you see
- 16:10what I'm saying? Like women might you know, all things equal, women
- 16:15might just be half the problem, right, just half. But the fact
- 16:18that we can't criticize them, we can't point out how they're contributing to the
- 16:22problem, makes them ninety nine percent of the problem. Yeah, they go
- 16:29from half to ninety nine percent because we can't talk about how they're contributing to
- 16:33the problem, and every single person who's having a discourse about the disaster the
- 16:41demographic collapse will be because it will be a disaster. Not only will it
- 16:45be the end of Western secular democracies because we're not the one we're the ones
- 16:49who aren't breeding, and also Asians, Asian cultures. It'll be the end
- 16:55of a lot of our infrastructure and potentially the end ecological catastroph We need to
- 17:00be here to make because the Earth is sort of a cyborg now and we're
- 17:04maintaining the cyborg parts, so we need to be here. But they recognize
- 17:10that this is going to be a disaster, that something is not good is
- 17:15going to come of it, but they cannot condone any criticism of women at
- 17:21all, even though right now, if men were suddenly able to earn as
- 17:26much as women want to in order to pair bond, in order to become
- 17:32husbands, we'd need like three more earths to actually be able to provide the
- 17:37material resources that that additional spending power would give. So it's like, yeah,
- 17:44okay, you mean that that Western pair bonding now requires the complete annihilation
- 17:49of the Earth to continue while that seems to be like we might want to
- 17:52criticize women about their excessive desires at that point, but no, we can't
- 17:59criticize women on this side. We can't criticize women. It's like absolutely taboo,
- 18:04absolutely, and anybody who finds it taboo to simply say, yeah,
- 18:08well, you know what, I'm gonna blame women. You know what,
- 18:11I'm gonna blame women? Okay? Am I going to explode? Am I
- 18:15gonna turn into a puff of smoke? Am I gonna melt? No,
- 18:18I'm gonna blame women. And there is nothing you can stop me. You
- 18:21just know way you can stop me, all right, and just stand by
- 18:25that and say, if there is something that women are to blame for,
- 18:30then we hold them accountable. But that there is most of the people who
- 18:33are even aware that there's a problem can't even get to the point of doing
- 18:38that. That's what makes us different, is what I've noticed over and over
- 18:44and over again. That is what makes us different. We are willing to
- 18:48hold women into account, even different from red pills, red pillars, so
- 18:52called red pillars because they don't hold women to account. They simply say,
- 18:56oh, it's female nature, because it's probably easier to simply say, well,
- 19:00women can't help it than to process what women are doing and say,
- 19:07actually, they are making these moral choices, and apparently one of the moral
- 19:12choices that they're making is to hate the other half of the human rights.
- 19:15That's really painful. It's easier just to say, oh, they just don't
- 19:18know what they're doing. They're they're not really aware, or they're incapable of
- 19:22making any other choice. It's easier to hide from that, much harder to
- 19:26say, women need to take responsibility. Women need to take responsibility, or
- 19:30we are going to lose everything that we have built. Right. That's it.
- 19:36That is the bottom line. And most people can't say that they cannot
- 19:42do it. Even even men's rights activists have problems with it, much less
- 19:49red pillars and certainly not feminists or liberal whatever. This guy is all right,
- 19:57let's say, yeah, okay, we're gonna listen to more of this
- 20:02guy, right, Yes, And this is what's happening between women. Finally,
- 20:10women have subjected themselves to identity politics. There's competitive victim wood among women,
- 20:17performative victim wood, AH. Vulnerability signaling kind of virtue signaling is subspecies
- 20:26of vulnerability or victimhood signaling, and it's very competitive because women have become men,
- 20:33so they have brought male attributes, male qualities, male characteristics, including
- 20:40psychological traits. They brought all these into victimhood movements. Women invented victimhood signaling.
- 20:52Well just I mean it was either men or women, So it might
- 20:56like there's no there's no third option, right, Well, yeah, I
- 21:00think this basically boils down to, uh uh, this is something women are
- 21:06doing, but men are still to blame. You notice that. I know
- 21:10it's like women are engaging in victimhood signaling, but this is because they've been
- 21:15they're toxically masculine. I don't know if he uses that term. Maybe it's
- 21:18just because this is how women compete. You know, women do engage in
- 21:23their own forms of competition. Women's competition tends to be around resources. Men's
- 21:29competition tends to be around mating opportunities, but to a lesser degree with human
- 21:33men. Because in a lot of cases, a cooperation between human men is
- 21:41like is like human men's peacock's tail. Uh, which is why we have
- 21:47such elaborate systems of cooperation that enable the entirety of our modern society. But
- 21:52anyway, let's it sounds like it. I mean, maybe maybe he's maybe
- 21:56we're going to see him go from sort of struggling with just blaming women,
- 22:03and maybe he'll actually be able to just say, yeah, this is something
- 22:07that women are doing wrong, and it's not because they've incorporated masculinity, or
- 22:11because they're toxically masculine, or because the patriarchy has I don't know strings on
- 22:18their you know, their their brain parts or something. Well, okay,
- 22:22let's find out. All right, I got a super chow. I'm gonna
- 22:25read it really quick. Great indoors gave us ten dollars. I think he's
- 22:27the guy who sent the video, right, yeah he is. I don't
- 22:30know, so thank you, great indoors. Thank you, great indoors.
- 22:33And he says, no, I warn you that if you do not tell
- 22:34me, we are at war. If you again allow yourself to palliate all
- 22:40the infamies and atrocities of this antichrist, I don't know you. In future.
- 22:45You are no longer my friend, no longer my faithful slave. As
- 22:48you say, I see, I'm scaring you. Sit down and talk to
- 22:52me. Quote. These words were uttered by in July eighteen oh five by
- 22:56Anna Pavlona sheer Cheerer, a distinguished lady of the court and confidential maid of
- 23:03honor to the Empress Maira Fiordanova. It was her greeting to Prince Vasili,
- 23:11a man high in rank in office, who was the first to arrive at
- 23:15her soiree. An excerpt from war in Peace by Leo Toys Tolstoi. So
- 23:21he just gave us work. Thank you, rad indoors. That that was
- 23:26that joke. There was a long wind up, but you did deliver.
- 23:33The lead in was was stretched. I was like waiting, like where is
- 23:37this going? And now it's always yeah, oh yeah, yeah, got
- 23:41you in there. You asked for it, You asked for it. Okay,
- 23:45just got trolled with Warren Peace. Okay, thank you, bred indoors.
- 23:48Thank you for the request as well and the support. Okay, keep
- 23:52going. No victim wood movements. It's become the new corporate field victy wood
- 24:00movements. So now money spinning, money making enterprises and competitive victim wood is
- 24:04actually a competition for relative positioning in a society that makes sense of itself,
- 24:14imbuse itself with meaning, not via God, not via dignity, not via
- 24:19reputation, not via true accomplishment, not via hard work, not via ethics,
- 24:26but via victim wood. Yeah, how did we get here? Are
- 24:30you gonna you're gonna ask yourself that like corporate you're saying that it's become a
- 24:37corporate branding tactic. Can I agree, Brian? We got here because women
- 24:41became more like men and oh it's masculinity's fault. Yes, because because before
- 24:48before men took before women became like men, men were the ones cashing a
- 24:52un victimhood politics. That's right, That's exactly what was going on. You
- 24:57see, he's saying that it's women bringing the victim of politics. But because
- 25:02it's combining with men's competitiveness, then it's becoming toxic. Yeah, but women
- 25:07never were never competitive before they started, like like the nineth more competitive.
- 25:14Okay, but let's let's give him, give him some props at least,
- 25:18you know it, he's recognizing women are at the heart of this. Let's
- 25:23keep it going. Okay, I got another super child from sir Biggles.
- 25:27Thank you, sir Biggles, because it's fifty dollars. Thank you so much.
- 25:33At the time. Why you're not at the time and says I appreciate
- 25:40the good work you guys do. Here's some money to keep the lights on.
- 25:41Well, thank you, all right, thank you, we appreciate that.
- 25:45You appreciate that. Okay, let's play some more today. The greater
- 25:52thinktive you are, the more accomplished you are, and the higher your relative
- 25:56positioning in society. Women plugged into this big time because women have been victimized.
- 26:04Really for example, Oh, that's what it is from a historical oppression.
- 26:14You know, it's funny. Uh, I was gonna say something about
- 26:21that occurred to me. We we as a society today value victimhood. This
- 26:33is a problem, but it is a product I believe of a feminine a
- 26:41sort of well, a shadow feminine perspective, like like the darkest parts of
- 26:47the feminine becoming the normal and and being profitable and getting advantage. This is
- 26:53why there are men trying to claim their own piece of victimhood. This is
- 26:57why there are men transitioning, I think in some part because there is some
- 27:04gain to be had if you are the biggest victim, I would say,
- 27:11Okay, you recognize that women compete over victimhood. Have you considered that the
- 27:18narrative that women are victimized by the past is also that is also basically another
- 27:26expression of that of women competing over victimhood and presenting themselves as victims in order
- 27:33to gain control over the discourse and gain control over resources. They I mean,
- 27:41can we not? Like, here's the thing. The assumption that women
- 27:45are oppressed by men or society is just that an assumption. It has never
- 27:53been scientifically proven because it never has been presented as something subject to science.
- 28:00It's always been basically an unfalsifiable belief. So unfalsifiable beliefs are optional. So
- 28:07he is choosing right now. He is choosing, and people need to realize
- 28:12this. He's choosing to exist in a world where women are the ultimate victims.
- 28:18He's choosing to exist in a world where that constrains the relationship between men
- 28:22and women. People are choosing to exist in that world. It is a
- 28:26choice. It's optional. You don't have to You can exit that world at
- 28:32any time, and you just all you have to do is apply the standards
- 28:37of science, of the scientific method and say, okay, well, first
- 28:42of all, how do you falsify this idea that men being in charge equals
- 28:47women oppressed? Okay, Well, the way you falsify it is you look
- 28:51at the situation for men when men are in charge, men as a whole,
- 28:55and you look at the situation for women when men are in charge,
- 28:57And if the situation for women is worse, then obviously it's not oppressive.
- 29:03Because if men are choosing to give other men the worst, the most dangerous,
- 29:08the most difficult, and hold them to the expectation of providing the most
- 29:14security and safety for women possible, if that's what men are holding other men
- 29:18too, then that is not the exercise of unjust or cruel authority, is
- 29:25it? And yet where do you see and this is the basic, the
- 29:30very basic, the very first step to having a scientific idea about reality is
- 29:37to frame it as falsifiable, very first step. Where do you see this
- 29:41in any of the discourse around men oppressing women? Nowhere, because they've never
- 29:45done it. It is not in the realm of science. It is firmly
- 29:49in the realm of unfalsifiable belief and all unfalsifiable beliefs are optional. He is
- 29:56choosing to screw himself over, and we are all choosing to screw ourselves over
- 30:02because of this. And you choose, you gotta not choose it. As
- 30:08hard as it is, you gotta not choose it. Yep, you got
- 30:12to take that last step. You see where we're going to Remember, we're
- 30:17talking about the last step. We got to take the last step. And
- 30:19of course Karen is super frustrated with this individual because he seems like he's smart
- 30:25enough. He's getting all the steps up to the last step, and then
- 30:30at the last step he's stabbing himself in the foot and saying who did this
- 30:33to me? And falling over. I can't go any further because he's choosing.
- 30:41He's choosing to fail. There's only two There's only two reasons this lack
- 30:45of the last step. Either he doesn't know, which would make him lazy
- 30:52or stupid. He does know, but he doesn't have the courage to say
- 30:56it, or he does know and he wants to maintain this elute, which
- 31:03is killing. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good man. You know,
- 31:07good men do not the idea that that women are defined by men harming them.
- 31:15Well, but the last step, you know, the last step is
- 31:19like the step in the remember Indiana Jones and the Search for the Holy Grail.
- 31:26Uh, yeah, it's been a while, but yeah, he has
- 31:27to step into the chasm. Yeah, he has to walk on the invisible
- 31:32floor or whatever. On the invisible floor. He has to take the leap
- 31:34of faith. He has to take the leap of faith. That's the last
- 31:38step. That's the last step. And most people can't do it because it
- 31:44requires courage. M hm. And that is one hell of a rare thing.
- 31:49Okay, it is in the United States, like African Americans, these
- 31:56and like the Jews. So these these groups, these cohorts, these populations
- 32:01who have been actually victimized throughout the ages to this or you know how he
- 32:07has to say women have been victimized like the Jews, and women have been
- 32:12victimized by like the Blacks. Do you know why he has to do that,
- 32:15because it's ridiculous to say that the Jews have been victimized like women and
- 32:20the Blacks have been victimized like women. Yes, uh yeah, how okay,
- 32:24so he has to do it. The other show me the society that
- 32:29holocausted women. Uh, show me the society that that enslaved only women.
- 32:37Yeah really really no no, but but Alison, women were still viewed as
- 32:43chattel. That's bullshit. Okay, no, no, and again this is
- 32:46this is the choice you believe this. This is your choice to believe this
- 32:50crap. You choose to believe it, and then and then you you enjoy
- 32:54the social decay that results. But this is like, but he's doing that,
- 33:00and it's like this intersectional thing. Like I said that intersectional intersectionality essentially
- 33:06is the process of refining the victimhood of groups away from the males in those
- 33:09groups, towards the females, and then towards all women in general, in
- 33:15particular the women on top who can best make use of victimhood in order to
- 33:19start resources. So the intersectional pipeline is basically the refinement of the victimhood social
- 33:24resource to the women who have or are basically are elite, the ones who
- 33:31are able to use that victimhood resource to get themselves mansions, shall we say,
- 33:37get themselves cushy jobs in NGOs and positions in government and academic careers.
- 33:45So the victimhood goes from the most victimized. So, for example, you
- 33:50go from a situation where a black man gets shot, and somehow through the
- 33:55intersectional pipeline, we go from the black men getting shot to a white woman
- 34:02needing a job in an academic capacity in some university. But that's and and
- 34:12and that because and the exact method is, Uh, this is a horrible
- 34:17oppression of black people, but black women always have it worse because they're women.
- 34:24Therefore, the white woman deserves special consideration. Do you see how that
- 34:30works? Yeah, And that's what he's doing here. He is appending the
- 34:36oppression of legitimately oppressed groups. Now we can discuss what we should do about
- 34:43that historical oppression, if it is even functional to continue to perpetuate the necessity
- 34:49of arranging our society around it, that's irrelevant. What he's doing is he's
- 34:53taking that oppression, that historical oppression that's legitimate, and he's appending it to
- 34:59women so that they And this is very satisfying for men because they want to
- 35:06feel like they are protecting women. That I want to see women's vulnerability.
- 35:12So seeing Jews is vulnerable to a guy like this is probably psychically gross.
- 35:17Seeing black as vulnerable because it includes Jewish men and black men. And he
- 35:21doesn't like that. It's not interested in that. So what he does is
- 35:23he takes that vulnerability, applies it where it should be, where it's most
- 35:29satisfying. Man, Just fix you feel good and that is women. I'm
- 35:35just saying. I was noticing this last night as well. Me and Brian
- 35:40went on a on a a show with some very interesting people. I would
- 35:46say that they were very They were very left, like very left, and
- 35:53I was listening to it. I think they were standard left. But go
- 35:57ahead, Okay, well I've seen I've seen a lot of content on the
- 36:00internet, and Okay, they weren't. They weren't really that bizarre, like
- 36:06they were pretty standard, but go on. What was interesting is like me
- 36:08and John are sorry not Jonathan. Me and Brian sorry uh. We were
- 36:13just were listening, trying to figure out something beneficial to say, I think,
- 36:17and absorbing what was going on. And I was observing the people around
- 36:22me, and at some point I was thinking, because there was these two
- 36:25leftist individuals and I don't mean to like dehumanize them or anything, but they
- 36:29certainly were playing out a particular role, both men, and I was thinking,
- 36:36Okay, so are you here to discuss stuff or are you here to
- 36:40identify enemies like are because it seems like concepts to you are gang colors or
- 36:50army banners or uniforms. So you're you're you're taking these concepts and you're saying,
- 36:55oh, well, this is the enemy based on them, right,
- 37:00and so how do you have a discussion with somebody who does that? And
- 37:02I was thinking to myself, also, wow, that is so male,
- 37:07no offense, And I don't mean that well, I mean the whole process
- 37:13of identifying the in group and the outgroup and then wanting to go immediately to
- 37:19establishing the territorial defense exclusively getting rid of the enemy. That is a male
- 37:24instinct. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's male. Like this,
- 37:29this really powerful desire to identify who shouldn't be there and get rid of them.
- 37:35Get what I'm saying. It's behind like altruistic punishment, like getting rid
- 37:38of criminals, getting rid of military It's that kind of impulse. And I'm
- 37:45like, you, guys, you both are both raw dogging that impulse.
- 37:49Like you have no conscious awareness that what you're doing right now is simply identifying
- 37:57enemies and trying to destroy them. See what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah,
- 38:04but they don't. They don't add this is the thing. What I
- 38:07what I have observed. That's why I wrote down everything they said that I
- 38:12thought was relevant. I told them at the end, this is what you
- 38:15think about the people that you claim to oppose. It tells me they don't
- 38:20They don't know any other position. They only know what they're supposed to know.
- 38:25You know that they are the good people that believe the good things and
- 38:29agree with the good stuff. And that's what leftism is, right, It's
- 38:31the good things and that's it. And anyone who even like deviates from that
- 38:37a little bit is the bad thing. And that's the other team, whatever
- 38:42it is. That's why they believe. They fundamentally believe that people who are
- 38:45religious, don't they think that they that mental health issue is demonic possession.
- 38:52Like that's what they They legitimately believe that, like like we like like people
- 38:59who are religious, and only Christians by the way, because they don't say
- 39:02this about Muslims or Jews. So Christians are like medieval like dark age people
- 39:09to this day. They that's and what it speaks to is what they don't
- 39:14know that in those times either. Uh No, of course it wasn't like
- 39:17that. I'm just saying like they're they're fed a line like they're they're they're
- 39:22obviously products of the education system and they're turning they're turning any kind Uh,
- 39:31they're turning concepts into gang colors in in group and out group. That's what
- 39:37I was trying to explain, is that they have they don't know what anybody
- 39:43outside of what they believe believes exactly. Yeah, that's why they characterize about
- 39:49that in this cartoonish way that you're not about understanding them, you are about
- 39:57characterizing them as the outgroup. And that's it. It's where it's where discourse
- 40:01goes to die. And I was really tempted to say, Okay, well,
- 40:07I don't really consider myself on the right, but i'll play your enemy
- 40:09today. Now what like, okay, you've identified me as the enemy.
- 40:14Now what are you going to socially ostracize me? Probably? Are you gonna
- 40:20shoot me in the head? Are you going to gather people like me up
- 40:22in camps and put us in ovens? Like? What's your ultimate goal with
- 40:27this process of defying discourse or turning it into a means to identify enemies?
- 40:34So that's what they're doing. They're turning concepts into ways of identifying enemies,
- 40:37like fucking Chromagnon with freaking clubs, going our city, city, our technology.
- 40:49Ah cow, Like it's just it's this most primitive attitude. But what
- 40:53goes next? What happens next? You've identified me in the as the enemy?
- 40:58What's your next move? Right? And this is it? This is
- 41:04where thought goes to die. And that, as far as I can tell,
- 41:07that is the exact opposite of the very virtues that they claim. Yeah,
- 41:13okay, yeah, I got well. On the plus side, we
- 41:16can all understand that they don't own any of those virtues. Those things are
- 41:21not owned by a camp. They are just expressed by people. Yes,
- 41:24we understand that, and this is not going to be a big deal.
- 41:28We just have to remind them that they also don't own those traits though.
- 41:34Anyway, let's play this more of the video. They find it easier to
- 41:38express themselves via victimbood. But this, of course creates a lot of internal
- 41:45friction because victimbood is competitive. So women resent each other because of this competition.
- 41:52Women become each other's enemies because they vie on and they compete for scarce
- 42:01resources. Okay, what do you mean it's scarce resources? How? How
- 42:06aren't we in the most resource abundant like time in all of human history?
- 42:09Right now? Like you can go, you can leave your house, go
- 42:13down the street to a store and get your choice of whatever food you want.
- 42:16It's just sitting there on the shelf. Like, what what do you
- 42:22mean the scarce resource? I guess is attention. I think I think it's
- 42:28I think what what he's I think what it is actually is the the the
- 42:35care from a worthy man like that, Like like, it's not like there
- 42:40aren't men around, Like, look, there was a dude. There was
- 42:44a chick with two heads that married a guy and he was like a military
- 42:50vet. So don't give me like that there are there is not a man
- 42:53for a woman out there. That's just like a woman with two heads got
- 42:57a man. So it doesn't matter what you look like, you'll be fine.
- 43:00So it's not that there that there aren't men available. It's that there
- 43:05aren't enough men that meet women's standards available, and they're fighting each other over
- 43:12those men because it's not resources. We can get that. It's not food,
- 43:15not shelter, you know, it's it's men of a certain quality.
- 43:21It could be attention, but the but attention I don't think is a goal
- 43:23in and of itself. I think there's the the care and affection and commitment
- 43:30that is like the real goal, you know, mm hmm, I mean
- 43:36that's what I think. No, I got you, I got you.
- 43:37But but anyway, it's like a psychological goal rather than like a physical or
- 43:44a material goal. And I think that I think that this is not something
- 43:52that's started now like that. Right now, the resource that women are competing
- 43:57over is victimhood. But the idea that women are doing this because masculinity is
- 44:01bullshit. Yeah, female great apes compete over victim over resources. They compete
- 44:09over territory that have resources in them, and they're their competition over territory can
- 44:14be pretty brutal. This is not something that happened I don't know a couple
- 44:19generations ago that women were like, oh, look at all this victimhood.
- 44:22It's a resource. And then they were like, and now we can be
- 44:24masculine and start clawing each other over this resource. Oh my god, what
- 44:30an innovation. It's like, are you kidding? There were epic cat fights
- 44:35throughout all of human history? Mm, you know, just epic that's that
- 44:40actually changed human history? Right, There have always been competition between women over
- 44:47resources, right, This is not new. It's just new that victimhood has
- 44:54become such a huge resource. Mm hmm. Okay, let's keep going because
- 45:00I want to. I don't want to take this. I don't want I
- 45:02want it. I don't want to go more than a day with this.
- 45:06Okay, entitlement rights, reparations, money, and so on. Internal competition
- 45:14among women in victim wood movements is a major driver of female misogyny. Okay,
- 45:21this is women. What about men? How are men reacting? Oh?
- 45:24Boy, here we go. Okay, wait a second. This is
- 45:28a big driver of female misogyny. You know, women competing over it with
- 45:35each other over resources? Is okay? Let me let me just ask is
- 45:37men competing over women? Missonry, I would say no, Yeah, I
- 45:49think it's just competition, like question, like it's just a neutral Why does
- 45:54everything in them this guy's mentality, everything bad have to have a dick attached
- 46:00to it? Yeah, okay, yep it's bad. Or actually no,
- 46:10in this case, it's everything bad has to have woman hatred attached to it.
- 46:15It's pathological. Okay, I'm done. Let's go. All right,
- 46:19let's play some more. Oh, before we continue, I just want to
- 46:22tell you I did send you the article he discussed. I'm not so sure
- 46:27it's going to be a valuable use of our time to listen to him talk
- 46:31about the article. Maybe we should just talk about the article. But you
- 46:35want me to just go to the article, you know, let's keep going
- 46:37and see what he does, because I think I could just give you a
- 46:40summary of the article. All right, to all these There's a new study
- 46:45from the University of British Columbia and it came up with a few fascinating insights.
- 46:54They found out that men, contemporary men post modern men can be classified
- 47:00into, broadly speaking, into three distinct categories of masculinity, and each category
- 47:07is reactive to female behavior and to modern modern vagaries, vagaries and exigencies of
- 47:16life. So the first type of men, I'm just positive for the banana
- 47:22there. Yeah, I'm not sure we're gonna get hit with a copy right
- 47:25here, but listen, you know, yeah, no, I don't think
- 47:29so. It's the neo traditionalist men. It's the guardian of tradition. Okay,
- 47:34neo traditionalist sounds like an oxymoron. I'm just gonna say it means new
- 47:37old. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
- 47:42blow this all out of water. There's only one group of men, men
- 47:46who judge themselves based on benefit to women. The only difference between them is
- 47:52what they consider to be benefit to women. Okay, the neo traditionalist man
- 47:59feels like the great benefit to women is through providing and protecting women. The
- 48:04progressive man, oh wait no, the egalitarian man feels like an egalitarian structure
- 48:10to the relationship benefits women most. And the progressive man feels like, I
- 48:15think that he also wants to benefit trans women, so he includes them in
- 48:21his umbrella of protection. Okay, that's it. But every single group of
- 48:27men is defined and bye how they want to benefit women. Right, That's
- 48:35that's it. And I don't even think that this anybody who's discussing this,
- 48:38including this man, is ready to have that conversation like that, this that
- 48:45that. Why is it that men are only considered in terms of women's benefit?
- 48:52Right? Why aren't we ever discussing how women define themselves in terms of
- 48:57men's benefit. I don't think there's ever been any kind of study. Wouldn't
- 49:00it be astounding, like I'm gonna study how men women define themselves in relation
- 49:07to benefiting men? But this is this study? How do men define themselves
- 49:12in relation to benefiting women. And the great irony is that they call out
- 49:19traditional men for being bad for whatever reason. And the only reason why they're
- 49:24bad is not because they also want to benefit women, but because the way
- 49:28that they want to benefit women is ideologically opposed to the other men who want
- 49:32to benefit women in different ways. Good lord, can we just grow up
- 49:37as a species? Can we just move past this frickin mental trap and like,
- 49:50like start thinking about things like a species that can actually start to get
- 49:55off its planet, you know, start thinking about ourselves in more realistic,
- 50:00intelligent, and pragmatic ways instead of constantly doing this childish bullshit. Okay,
- 50:08well, let's become serious people, all right, sure, Yeah, it's
- 50:16an archetype. This kind of man perceives himself as a provider a protector in
- 50:27relationships, and this is anchored in traditional gender roles. This individual's find fulfillment
- 50:35in playing the role of guardian, savior, healer, rescuer, fixer,
- 50:40nurturing relationships through the lens of time honored scripts and norms and behavioral Okay,
- 50:49stop right there. Every that the entire the entire study is structured in terms
- 50:58of seeing men as benefiting women and how they want to benefit women. So
- 51:05if that is traditionalism, every single man in that study is a traditionalist.
- 51:12It's just that woman A wants her man to protect her with a gun and
- 51:20get her a yellow dress. Woman B wants her man to protect her with
- 51:24a saber and get her a floral print dress, and woman C wants her
- 51:31man to protect her with I don't know, a medieval axe and get her
- 51:38a brown dress. Do you get what I'm saying. Yeah, they're all
- 51:45the same, They're all identical. And the very structure of the study enforces
- 51:52that because the study is, well, how do men define themselves in terms
- 51:58of how they arrange themselves in terms of women's benefit. We're just going to
- 52:01assume that men should be arranged in terms of women's benefit, that this should
- 52:06be how we categorize men, right, Like, that's the that's where this
- 52:08whole thing begins. Yeah, this is that's where men and women. That's
- 52:13where men begin and end with women's benefit. That's the only real categorization pattern
- 52:17we can have for men, right, Okay, whether they benefit men women
- 52:22and how they benefit women. Because and this guy can't even see past that,
- 52:28He doesn't even see the box that he's in to use Michael what's his
- 52:31face Kimmel's is it Kimmel? Michael Michael Kimmel. Yeah, yeah, no,
- 52:38but he was like discredited, so I don't know where he is now.
- 52:40But Michael Flood has yet to be discredited, so he still has his
- 52:44ideas out there. The man box. This, this is the box.
- 52:50This is the real box that men do not get out of, and he
- 52:53is continuing to perpetuate it. Okay, all right, I got a super
- 52:59child for Richard Pierre for five dollars and he says, uh, Alison,
- 53:05they don't hate men. They only name everything bad after men. They don't
- 53:09hate men, they just named everything bad after them. That was yeah,
- 53:13classic Karen, classic Karen. Yeah, all right, let's pa say more
- 53:19prescriptions. The problem is this, maybe misogynistic men, especially covert narcissists,
- 53:28fit into this neo traditionalist role. Really how regard to women as inferior?
- 53:37And actually many other misogynistic men, not only covert narcissists, I'm sure.
- 53:42Yeah, why would you serve someone who's inferior? I'm pretty sure narcissists do
- 53:49not look at their identities in terms of serving others. And also, why
- 53:53is it that only traditionalist men have covert narcissism because even again, egalitarian men
- 54:00are in position of providing something to You can't get away from this, dude.
- 54:06If men are a positioned to provide things for women, either egalitarianism like
- 54:13I guess some sort of equal self actualization. I don't know, but something.
- 54:17If women are in position to provide something for women, women are by
- 54:22definition inferior. Okay. If men need to bring something to the table and
- 54:29women are the table, the thing that wn bring to the table is going
- 54:32to make them superior in some way to women. It's just like so frustrating.
- 54:38I get I get what Karen. I'm actually starting to feel Karen's frustration.
- 54:43It's so frustrating to watch someone. It's like watching a caveman who knows
- 54:52astrophysics and is using it to explain how you get berries from a bush or
- 55:00something really freaking simple and stupid and basic. He's using it to explain how
- 55:07the Great Spirit constructed rocks. Right. It's like, you have these ideas
- 55:15and you have these observations that are higher level, and then you immediately drop
- 55:20into the grunting idiot stage. Yeah, okay, okay, right, See
- 55:30here's more grunting, grunting idiocy. Let's go, and they regard women as
- 55:40inferior, they hold them in contempt. They're contemptuous towards women. Can you
- 55:49see women as the victims of all of history without holding them into contempt?
- 55:53I mean, you don't call it contempt, but you fail to see how
- 55:58women have power over anything, how femininity can have any power whatsoever. It's
- 56:02always in response to men. It's always subordinate to men. The only way
- 56:07that women get out of it is becoming masculine. Right, How is that
- 56:10not absolute profound contempt towards women and femininity? Can you tell me that?
- 56:24I don't know. I mean, I I think I don't want to get
- 56:30to Let's just keep going. I mean, I guess, I guess we'll
- 56:34see what he says about the oorial though. No, no, no,
- 56:37no, I'm I'm not saying that. What you're saying is I just I
- 56:42want to know what he's gonna say about the other two groups. But I
- 56:44feel like traditionalists, Okay, here's what I would I'm wondering. So they've
- 56:52divided men into three types. But you're right, there's only one type of
- 56:58man. There's the way the one type one demand that we one type of
- 57:02masculinity that that is measured, which is the ways that it benefits women.
- 57:08And when you're splitting into three subtypes, but ultimately you are still talking about
- 57:15one type right egalitarian, progressive, and neo traditionalist. And now I don't
- 57:21know how the egalitarian and the progressive is different. I know how they are
- 57:27different against like against the what he's calling the neo traditionalist, which I think,
- 57:31again, I don't like these words. You know, these people play
- 57:36word games all the time and you have to like wrestle with definitions. Neo
- 57:42traditionalists sounds like like when you look at it, it sounds like it's it's
- 57:45a reinvention of an old way of doing things, but it's still just in
- 57:52like from what I can tell, like, there's just you know, like
- 57:57I don't even like traditionalists by itself. I just think there's like normal men,
- 58:01Like there's just normal men, you know, Like they're not trying to
- 58:05reinvent the wheel, trying to figure out what is it that women want so
- 58:07they can give it to them. That's all it is. It's literally the
- 58:12notebook, what do you want? Right? That's what most men do.
- 58:17I don't think that's not even I'm not saying that's a bluss or a minus.
- 58:22But and they're all trying to provide for women. They just have different
- 58:27approaches. But what I'm wondering about is which of those three, if we're
- 58:31gonna look at it from this perspective, if we accept this guy's acceptance of
- 58:37the framing of this study, which of the three is the most likely to
- 58:45result in a marriage and family because if he's because I have a feeling that
- 58:55egalitarian men might run into problems because one thing that's left out of this is
- 59:00what women actually want. Like there's like essentially, what he's saying is that
- 59:05men are all trying to give women what they want, and then there are
- 59:07three different types of men, and they're all trying to figure out which way
- 59:09is the way that's gonna work, and they're trying these out right. So
- 59:13I think egalitarian men, I don't know if he's going to say this,
- 59:15I haven't I haven't watched this far yet, are going to be like,
- 59:19well, I treat my wife like an equal right and we're going to share
- 59:22everything. I mean, that's what I assume progressive men are probably gonna be
- 59:28like, oh, if she makes more money than me. That's okay,
- 59:30I guess right. Maybe it includes trans women, but that's kind of like
- 59:34that's already a non starter when it comes to family. Okay, so let's
- 59:37just let's just okay, let's watch what he has to say. All right,
- 59:40Well, it's not really what he has to say, it's what the
- 59:43the what the yeah? His his his take. What the study has to
- 59:47say that allows them to feel good with themselves, to feel comfortable with their
- 59:54own racist if you wish. Oh, okay, it's traditional as men bad.
- 1:00:04Well, that's that really escalated. They're sexists and racist, misogynistic,
- 1:00:07old fashioned, retrograde. Yeah, narcissistic and narcissistic. Yet they say I
- 1:00:16regard women as inferior, I hold them in yes, so you dude,
- 1:00:22Yeah, something's wrong with them. Not because they're even, not because they
- 1:00:24are, you know, but simply because they are childlike. They're undeveloped,
- 1:00:30the primitive. They are not like men. Men are evolved, Men are
- 1:00:37developed, Men are mature, men are adults. Men are responsible for ninety
- 1:00:45nine percent of human progress, at least a lot of it, a lot
- 1:00:52of it since the industrial evolution. I'm really sorry, sir, that is
- 1:00:55the truth? Yeah, like God, I mean, but are we just
- 1:01:00scapegoating women so that we can usher in transhumanism in the Handmaid's Tale? Alison?
- 1:01:06Are we just scapegoating women? I okay. I will say that maybe
- 1:01:14women could be responsible for human progress if women were held responsible, but until
- 1:01:22they are, they're not. Okay, you see how you see how that
- 1:01:27works? Now, this guy treats women with contempt because he regards femininity and
- 1:01:32being a woman to be some kind of handicap throughout all of human history,
- 1:01:37even though women had control over well over the process of raising children in every
- 1:01:44culture I've studied, they are the primary socialization. And get this, most
- 1:01:50of our decisions are made based on emotional habits laid down in childhood. So
- 1:01:54women basically imprint the motherboard. It's probably why it's called a motherboard. And
- 1:02:00yet they have absolutely no control over the computer. Bullshit. And to believe
- 1:02:06that requires believing that women are inferior, That women have no ability to project
- 1:02:14their interests if they are feminine, no ability to have any control over women
- 1:02:22if they are feminine. Femininity is the lesser form of gender expression in his
- 1:02:30estimation. When you say that women are victims of history. That's what you're
- 1:02:34saying about femininity and women, that they are the lesser gender and they are
- 1:02:37the lesser form of gender expression, and that is contempt. You're not calling
- 1:02:44it contempt, just like he says, well, women want men that are
- 1:02:46better than them, but that's not hypergamy. They play these name games.
- 1:02:52You treat women with contempt, dude, you do, and you are completely
- 1:02:59unaware of it. Okay, all right, I got a super chow from
- 1:03:07Richard Beere again gives five bucks and said, Alison, are you feeling an
- 1:03:10overwhelming earth to seek out and talk to a manager? Okay, I'd like
- 1:03:17to speak to the manager of the human race, our childlike they're infantile,
- 1:03:22they're incapable of taking care of themselves, they're incapable of defending themselves, so
- 1:03:28I need to protect them. Yes, that's what you believe. He is
- 1:03:30a combination of misogyny, perhaps the most egregious, virulent form of misogyny.
- 1:03:37This guy's an ideologue. He's not a professor. Yeah, but these these
- 1:03:42are ideological things he's saying. If you believe that women have no power and
- 1:03:46patriarchy, what is your role as a man but to protect them? He
- 1:03:50doesn't have self awareness, doesn't have an interest in the truth. He has
- 1:03:54an interest in spreading. He has an interest in feeling good about himself.
- 1:03:59That's yeah, it's it's a it is it is. I mean that's I'm
- 1:04:02sorry, but like, you can't call yourself a professor and you're just doing
- 1:04:08this what you're doing, you're spreading your religion like this is this is the
- 1:04:13feminist sermon on the mount. It's you know, women are victims, men
- 1:04:16are narcissists and abusers, but only the traditional men. This is why,
- 1:04:24this is why, like I, I have a feeling that progressive and or
- 1:04:29you have egalitarian men are either going to be just as bad or they're gonna
- 1:04:31be much better, even though the probably less likely to result in family.
- 1:04:35And Okaly, he's just attacking what he's calling neo traditionalist men because it sounds
- 1:04:42like neo kan and that's and that makes him feel good in his nethers.
- 1:04:46Mmmm, let's keep going. I was gonna say something, but you know
- 1:04:50what, we got a lot of ground to cover and I am not doing
- 1:04:56this again, okay, which invo loathing coupled with all compulsive aggressive need to
- 1:05:08protect women to defend them to rescue them, to save them from hate them
- 1:05:15and you want to save them or predators. Mario hates people from patriarchies like
- 1:05:20like he's talking about himself. You have an obsessive need to protect women from
- 1:05:25other men. You know you are doing that right now. You are doing
- 1:05:30the thing that you are saying that other of these traditionalist men are doing.
- 1:05:33You are protecting the vulnerable, incapable, childlike uh, non functional women from
- 1:05:41the horrible traditionalist patriarchs right now. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah,
- 1:05:47Okay, let's keep going. God, oh man urged danger or whatever
- 1:05:55the traditionalist men nowadays is highly narcissistic, misogynistic, contemptuous. Yeah, those
- 1:06:03men over there are so bad they should stay away from the women. We
- 1:06:06need to protect the women from those men. They're horrible, very invested,
- 1:06:10cafected, emotionally invested in the traditional role of men. He's the provider and
- 1:06:16he's the defender of the women's physical and mental safety. So are there not
- 1:06:25women that want this? If women, if most women said they wanted this,
- 1:06:32what would you say to that, Well, they don't want his provision
- 1:06:36and protection. Like Brian, he doesn't like women, or he apparently considers
- 1:06:43women to have internalized misogyny, so he has. He says that women have
- 1:06:47metaphorical penises if they don't like his way of protecting and providing for him.
- 1:06:53But every you know, other men are narcissists. Now, this is not
- 1:07:01in the study. The study just identified the neo traditionalist type of men,
- 1:07:08one of three. I'm adding to it my insights. Now the second type
- 1:07:14is my insights. But you know, yeah, my insights. Those men
- 1:07:18suck. They shouldn't be able to breathe. We have to stop them because
- 1:07:24they're narcissists. Okay, oh, good lord. Type of men. So
- 1:07:30you remember, this is a study in British Columbia. They identified three types
- 1:07:33of men, postmodern men, neo traditionalists, and now egalitarian. It's when
- 1:07:41the men perceives his partner to be his equal. There's a perfect balance between
- 1:07:46them. Equality, reciprocity, egalitarianism. A relationship built on shared responsibilities and
- 1:07:55mutual understanding, always negotiated, always con centru's building. These men view their
- 1:08:02partners truly as equals and believe that relationships should be based on give and take,
- 1:08:11even as they navigate the intricacies of modern partnerships and life and so on
- 1:08:16and so forth right and just pausing for the banana sounds like houstmen today,
- 1:08:27So this is a very healthy approach. The last type of men is a
- 1:08:32progressive men, and progressives are focused on gender equity. It's kind of masculinity
- 1:08:41which champions gender equity and open communication. These men engage in discussions with their
- 1:08:47partners. They try to collaboratively in a cooperative way, define roles and responsibilities.
- 1:08:57They forge a dynamic that transcends societal norms and forced as a sense of
- 1:09:02empowerment in both parties. The personal is political. The relationship becomes the grounds
- 1:09:09of ideological the the the uh, the battleground of the ideology. Oh good
- 1:09:17lord, that sounds like a exhausting That sounds like a nightmare, dude,
- 1:09:20I don't like. I wouldn't like. I'm sorry, but that like,
- 1:09:26being a progressive man sounds like it's a it's a twenty four hour day job,
- 1:09:30like you have to constantly be like or do you feel empowered? Baby?
- 1:09:34No, I'm sorry no, Like in regards that's and it's so it's
- 1:09:39so weird and artificial too, Like that wouldn't do women want that? Well?
- 1:09:44Like, do women want that I don't know. Well, let's let's
- 1:09:47frame it like we're talking about a man who considers his relationship by as with
- 1:09:55a woman to be a part of his political identity. So you're talking about
- 1:10:02narcissism. Is that not narcissistic? Like, how you treat this woman is
- 1:10:12a reflection of your the level of your political consciousness. It's not just two
- 1:10:16people negotiating a life together. You are becoming a hero in your own mind
- 1:10:23based on how you treat this woman. And the other thing is that,
- 1:10:26how is the progressive that much different than the traditionalist except that they're just providing
- 1:10:31different things. The progressive still frames the situation in terms of the woman being
- 1:10:38weaker and more vulnerable than himself, all right, I mean the egalitarian probably
- 1:10:43does that less, but there's still that idea that that's the woman's needs that
- 1:10:45are centered. All right? So how is again, all of this exists
- 1:10:50within this framework that men should be judged and divided based on how they benefit
- 1:10:56women. But really all three are not that much different from each other,
- 1:11:00and they're all being judged by how they provide for women. But also,
- 1:11:04like the way that this the way that these things are described, like one
- 1:11:08man could probably like move from one state to another state, right at any
- 1:11:15point, like even throughout the day, you can go from traditional to progressive
- 1:11:20and back. Like, I don't I don't think that these categories are very
- 1:11:25helpful unless you're just trying to single out and demonize a certain act. You're
- 1:11:31just identifying enemies. Yeah, and again that is a male instinct. The
- 1:11:39whole idea that he is protecting women against those awful men over there, the
- 1:11:44thing that he just called out traditionalists for doing, he's doing right here,
- 1:11:49you know, identifying enemies and keeping them away from your women. Congratulation or
- 1:11:56uge, you're doing the thing. You're doing the thing. Yeah. Now,
- 1:12:06what's a distribution About one quarter of men identified as neo traditionalists, which
- 1:12:15sits well with what I've said by because personality disorders is about fifteen to twenty
- 1:12:20percent of men. Oh oh, so neo traditionalist men are they have like
- 1:12:26most of them have a personality disorder. Yeah. Yeah, this isn't really
- 1:12:29about attacking like you know, regular people, like regular people forming regular monogamous
- 1:12:35marriages, regular with regular family. No, no, no, no,
- 1:12:39no. Obviously traditionalist men. You can call it neo traditional if you want
- 1:12:45to I don't even want to use the word traditional normal men that want to
- 1:12:48marry women in a monogamous fashion. In it it like like like take on
- 1:12:55the fucking what is it the the marriage right, say the vows and carry
- 1:13:00their girl into the you know, into the threshold and have children with him.
- 1:13:05Twenty percent of those guys are obviously like dangerously insane. Yeah, yeah,
- 1:13:11Well the traditionalists all have personality or like narcissism, presumably anti social yeah,
- 1:13:21and they have like a low opinion of women. And the only thing
- 1:13:25that really defines traditionalists is that they believe that they should provide for and protect
- 1:13:29women. Of course, that also defines the egalitarian and the progressive. And
- 1:13:35you know, it doesn't mean that those men don't expect something from those women,
- 1:13:38though, Like I think that they're they're still because he's saying the egalitarian
- 1:13:43man wants to like have like a fair division of effort and labor in the
- 1:13:49relationship, right, Well, I think traditionalists men do too. They just
- 1:13:53have different expectations. Even if we're even going to use that framework, which
- 1:13:57isn't like I don't say wants a woman to be the empty vessel upon which
- 1:14:04he writes his own heroic tale of how he triumphed over patriarchy. So I
- 1:14:11mean, like, yeah, everybody wants something from their partner, but again,
- 1:14:15they're still all defined and they're all defined, and it's exactly the same
- 1:14:18way. The only group that seems to sort of get away from it is
- 1:14:23the egalitarian. But let's let's yeah, let's continue here. We're making a
- 1:14:29good progress. About twenty percent of men have personality no. No, the
- 1:14:35new traditionalist men, even though they have defined themselves in conservative terms protected provider
- 1:14:46this and that, they still knew that they have to pay leap service to
- 1:14:54third and fourth wave feminism. So the distance distance themselves, uh from the
- 1:15:03traditionalist perception of men as superior and women as inferior. So he's saying that
- 1:15:10they pay they're neo traditionalists because they pretend to be feminists but they're but they're
- 1:15:15secretly patriarchs and psycho is apparent. Yeah, I'm going to say something here
- 1:15:25personal experience, but it was pretty impactful. The only anti social narcissists that
- 1:15:34I know of in all of my travels in these ranks. And I have
- 1:15:40known traditionalist men, and I've known egalitarian men and progressive men, the only
- 1:15:46one that I would say was a real frickin psycho, was a feminist.
- 1:15:51Do you remember? You know who I'm talking about, right, Brian?
- 1:15:55Never you I will Russian Deadpool. Never forget this man. He literally believed
- 1:16:00that he owned the women in his life, and he saw them I'm not
- 1:16:06kidding. He saw them, as far as I can tell, he saw
- 1:16:09them as empty vessels upon which he wrote his own heroic, progressive narrative.
- 1:16:14And then when one of those empty vessels said, you know, I don't
- 1:16:16feel like getting married to you, he killed her. So shut up.
- 1:16:21You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You're just identifying enemies.
- 1:16:27You're just indulging that male instinct completely un self consciously, like un self aware,
- 1:16:33to identify male enemies and protect your your females, your fragile females.
- 1:16:40We need to protect the females from them. That's it. Then this guy
- 1:16:44is doing everything he blames other men for with no self awareness. None.
- 1:16:53Okay, let's continue. We're getting We're getting there. It's just that we
- 1:16:58are better suited to prove and to protect than women. It doesn't make us
- 1:17:02superior. It's just a different distribution of skills and capacities. Now, about
- 1:17:11about half identified themselves as the egalitarian types and about one quarter is progressive.
- 1:17:20So it's an interesting distribution. One quarter a new conservative, new traditionized when
- 1:17:26it comes to male roles, one quarter are progressives when it comes to mail
- 1:17:32when it comes to male roles, actually denying that there is such a thing
- 1:17:36as a male gender role. The progressive don't see any difference whatsoever, not
- 1:17:44even by all. I'd like to know. Like, the thing what I'd
- 1:17:48like to know is there's a study, Like maybe they can do a longitudinal
- 1:17:54thing, longitudinal longitudinal study where they ask they get these results from men when
- 1:18:02they're younger, then they follow up with them like in twenty years, and
- 1:18:09they find out where they are in life. Like I want to know how
- 1:18:13far does being a progressive, egalitarian or trad man gets you, because I
- 1:18:19think that is probably the real test. Like it could be the case that
- 1:18:26egalitarian men do the best. I don't know, but if we're not looking
- 1:18:30at what women want, that now there's what women say they want, then
- 1:18:36there's what women actually want. Those are not the same thing. That's why
- 1:18:40I say we follow up, because if you just ask women, then most
- 1:18:44of them will say whatever they think is going to be the most popular choice
- 1:18:47or the thing that will benefit them the most, and they won't think about
- 1:18:51like whether or not that's actually what they want, because they always change their
- 1:18:55mind about shit. Fight me if you don't believe that that's just the truth.
- 1:18:58So the best thing to do is to see follow up with men in
- 1:19:02twenty years, see where they're at. Are they married, do they have
- 1:19:05children, how many children they have? What is life like? Are they
- 1:19:09happy? Like you know whatever? Like how is their situation? That would
- 1:19:15be a better way to look at this whole thing then, Just for one,
- 1:19:20this video is supposed to be about women who hate women and the men
- 1:19:24who love them, which apparently like twenty five percent of men don't love women
- 1:19:30at all, so that sucks. And women hating women, well that's because
- 1:19:36they're becoming like men. So that that's kind of where he's landing on all
- 1:19:41this stuff. But I'm bad, yeah, man bad, Yeah yeah,
- 1:19:45especially if they're orange. But I mean, like they keep going after Trump
- 1:19:54for being orange, they may't end up inadvertently creating you know, victimhood for
- 1:19:59the orange people in the Oops, no there are no but but but there
- 1:20:04are no other orange people the only one unless like one of his kids like
- 1:20:10becomes orange as they get older, Like maybe Baron Trump will turn orange as
- 1:20:14he gets older. I don't know. Yeah, I'm just saying you gotta
- 1:20:17be careful with that, because the more you persecute a group of people or
- 1:20:20a recognizable trait, the more likely it is to become itself for a a
- 1:20:27source of victimhood cachet, which then you know then I mean when when is
- 1:20:33it? How much? How much subjugation does a group have to be in
- 1:20:38the in the context of correcting the intersectional uh or are balancing the intersectional scales
- 1:20:45before they themselves become a victim group? Just just wondering. Okay, let's
- 1:20:51uh all right, let's getting really tiresome. Does he like, I don't
- 1:20:57know, I haven't. I only like we you and I, you and
- 1:21:01I split this video in half. This is your half. I know,
- 1:21:04I didn't I know that they're they're I think he just repeats himself for like
- 1:21:13ten minutes. Well, let me just get the summary of the other two
- 1:21:15types of men and then we can stop it. Okay, logical difference between
- 1:21:20men and women different genitalia mean nothing to them. They don't predispose the owner
- 1:21:30of the genitalia to any specific trajectory in life, trades, behaviors, and
- 1:21:35so so there's no correlation between specific genitalia and anything else. As far as
- 1:21:41that concert, let me look at the let me look at the This is
- 1:21:46so like, okay, conclusion, Maybe you can just get to the conclusion.
- 1:21:54He has a conclusion. Let's look at that. But that, uh,
- 1:21:59this is about thirty five minutes in, so I'm gonna jump ahead.
- 1:22:06This is called shifting gender roles and mental health. So again we're gonna be
- 1:22:14looking at like essentially that men. Men have to be the solution. I'm
- 1:22:21guessing they have to shift yet because because like, okay, I don't well,
- 1:22:27you know what, I'm gonna see what he says, but my guess
- 1:22:29is it's not gonna be let's find out. Let's do a study on women
- 1:22:32to find out what they want, which I don't know that you can really
- 1:22:36rely on much. It's gonna be well, here's what men have to do
- 1:22:41out of the space and point a way forward. Okay. By the way,
- 1:22:45there's an online photo exhibition. It's titled Men Building Intimate Partner Relationships.
- 1:22:51It's one hundred and twenty photographs from which which kind of depict these three types
- 1:22:59of masculine and Doctor Nagao says, one of the participants in the study,
- 1:23:05says, there are photos depicting new, traditional, egalitarian, progressive musculinity,
- 1:23:12and visitors are invited to take a quiz to decide which images fit with each
- 1:23:17musculinity. We are not only highlighting our research outcomes, we're also inviting input
- 1:23:23from visitors about how they see themselves and how they do you want to look
- 1:23:28at those pictures, Alison? Are you there? Sorry? I was.
- 1:23:35I was actually trying to find them, so yeah, sure we could take
- 1:23:40a look at them. I don't know where they are. If you if
- 1:23:42you find I will I will find them. And if he says anything of
- 1:23:45interest, just stop and be like, okay, we'll talk about that,
- 1:23:48all right. Do you know what? Do you know what that you want
- 1:23:50to go back to find out what it's called? I think I've got no,
- 1:23:56I got men building intimate partner intimate relationships. Okay, it's okay.
- 1:24:03So they have a three D gallery, why don't they just have the videos
- 1:24:10or the pictures. I'll find it. I'll find it. But keep going
- 1:24:14all right, I'll keep going build gender equity in their intimate partner relationships.
- 1:24:19Okay, the article is titled Neo Traditionalist, Egalitarian and Progressive Masculinities in Men's
- 1:24:28Heterosexual Intimate Partner Relationships. And as I said, the lead offer is John
- 1:24:34Oliffe or l FFE. I will provide you with citation in the literature section
- 1:24:42in the description to this video. But I would like to come to the
- 1:24:45conclusion of my lecture by reading to you extensive excerpts from the excellent introduction to
- 1:24:53this article. Well I could, Well, he's going to read from the
- 1:24:58introduction, I could just read question. So let's take a look, let
- 1:25:03me get let me take a look at this. I mean, what's the
- 1:25:06point if he's just gonna read excerpts from it? Or I could just play
- 1:25:13him. I don't know. No, would you guys read it yourself and
- 1:25:16we can just skip over this section because I think he just reads at this
- 1:25:19point. All right, all right, so I'll read it forward about seven
- 1:25:24minutes because I did, because that was like he was just like repeating himself.
- 1:25:29And I looked at them transcript and I saw that he gets to the
- 1:25:32conclusion, you know, because otherwise he just kind of repeats himself. Did
- 1:25:36he actually say anything in this conclusion, because I didn't hear a damn no,
- 1:25:40he's about to do the conclusion of them. But what I'm saying doing
- 1:25:45no, wait, did he actually come to a statement that's worth talking about?
- 1:25:50No? No, well, I mean he like, like I said,
- 1:25:54what he did for this entire time was, well, he has a
- 1:25:58okay, those men. The conclusion is he said, to conclude, he
- 1:26:03was going to read the introduction to the study. Exerts from the introduction he
- 1:26:09thought were excellent. So he is using the study as his conclusion. So
- 1:26:14I'm saying, why don't I just read the study then read the introduction part.
- 1:26:17That's the part that he says is his conclusion. You see, Okay,
- 1:26:23all right, well that's weird. So well, that just means he's
- 1:26:27not really thinking for himself. Introduction shifts in gender roles, identities, and
- 1:26:30relations since the nineteen eighties are continuing to influence the organization and practices of masculinities
- 1:26:38within and between societies worldwide, while women's freer entry into the workforce and access
- 1:26:45to birth control continue to be hard fought human rights. You can kind of
- 1:26:49see that there is a bias in this right off the bat. Changes to
- 1:26:54boys and men's lives indicate both emergent challenges and opportunity, and they are quoting
- 1:27:01Kimmel in this like Michael Kimmel two thousand and eight, for example, pointed
- 1:27:09to young men's delayed and or absent traditional masculine markers such as career, marriage,
- 1:27:15breadwinter home ownership, as entwined with their collective avoidance of adult responsibilities and
- 1:27:23fixations on the trappings of boyhood amid trying to prove their manhood. Con Contrasting
- 1:27:29these problematics, opportunities for pro social masculinities embodied by promoting gender equality and gender
- 1:27:36equity with in intimate partner relationships and more broadly, have surfaced as much needed
- 1:27:43new and improved contemporary norms for boys and men Greek and Flood Michael Flood,
- 1:27:49twenty Further, men's lobby and actions for gender transformative practices are increasingly visible in
- 1:27:58public debates, social activism, and policy development for sad at All twenty twenty
- 1:28:03one. Also pushing gender equality and gender equity agendas are promises for mental health
- 1:28:11gains to prevent negative downstream outcomes, including intimate partner violence and suicide World Health
- 1:28:18Organization. That's the source. Yet within the personal and ordinarily private domestic domesticities
- 1:28:28where intimate partnerships tend to operate, masculinities are poorly understood. Hostchild. The
- 1:28:36current study maps masculinities in men's heterosexual intimate partner relationships to advanced understandings of gender
- 1:28:43equality and gender equity and guide future health research, policy, and practice.
- 1:28:51Did you find it men building intimate partner relationships? Hey, I'm just I'll
- 1:29:00look at that in a second. Uh, it is five point thirty.
- 1:29:05I got like a half an hour before I have to go pick up Lindsay,
- 1:29:09so you know, so I'll read more. Though we got we got
- 1:29:11about a half. I sent you the I sent you the the photos.
- 1:29:15I got it. You want me to read rest of it? You might
- 1:29:17find that this withers your soul. Okay, the rest of the Uh do
- 1:29:24you want me to read the rest of the intro? It's like one more
- 1:29:26section? Think no, It basically it's just the same thing. Every Men
- 1:29:29should be just defined in terms of how they benefit women. Uh. Yeah,
- 1:29:33I mean I think that the u having we can't consider men as having
- 1:29:38a unique value in and of themselves. They always have to be doing something
- 1:29:42for women. We can't even recognize that the expectation that men constantly define themselves
- 1:29:47by doing shit for women means that we women are inferior to men. Like
- 1:29:54you can't. You can't expect somebody to provide something without recognizing that they are
- 1:29:59providing something the other person doesn't have. Okay, like so anyway, it's
- 1:30:04just it's a bunch of ridiculous double think. Can we just I want to
- 1:30:10get to the end when he stops quoting stuff, and I don't remember when
- 1:30:14that was. I'm really sorry. It's in Yeah, I'll look, I'll
- 1:30:18look. It's like five minutes or three minutes minutes before the ending of the
- 1:30:25video. Yeah, yep, all right, let me see. Yeah,
- 1:30:30it's somewhere there. It's when he stops quoting the actual article I wrote written
- 1:30:34down the time stamp. I apologize, guys, but it's it's it's yeah,
- 1:30:42you had to go forward. Are you there, Brian, I'm looking.
- 1:30:45Yeah, I'm I'm uh. Oh, you're looking at the transcript.
- 1:30:48Okay. So I found the photos and they yet I got them. I
- 1:30:55was sharing them on the screen. Awful corporate like soulless photos I've ever seen.
- 1:31:05All Right, here we go, I think I think mm hmm,
- 1:31:13let's trial. Let's do a little roulette. I think I'm just I will
- 1:31:16go on here. This is to see what time? What's the timestamp?
- 1:31:27Forty six three? Okay, let's see can also lobby reflexive practices to promote
- 1:31:39mental health is upstream contributions communities. I must say the University of British Columbia
- 1:31:46is emerging as God. I remember the British University of British Columbia was part
- 1:31:56of that whole like scandal with Cafe or the Canadian Center for Men of Families,
- 1:32:02like the whole kerfuffle, because they were once again blaming men for their
- 1:32:06own mental health issues, which we now know is a contributing factor to killing
- 1:32:11people with mental health issues. Yeah. Like literally, the the University of
- 1:32:16British Columbia embraces stuff that kills people with mental health issues if they're meant yep,
- 1:32:24congratulations. But I guess maybe that's the point. Uh maybe, Alison,
- 1:32:32I mean like we're talking about well, like I said, like,
- 1:32:35if we're gonna give supposedly intellectual people their due, then whatever, like consequences
- 1:32:44come out of what they say. They meant. They must have like meant
- 1:32:46that because like what else could it be? I mean, are they look,
- 1:32:50you're either you're either you're either malicious or you're stupid. Take your choice.
- 1:32:58It's one of those, Like I don't know. I mean, I
- 1:33:00would be the humble one and say I'm stupid, but I know these people
- 1:33:03would never admit that. Well, it malicious can also be you just don't
- 1:33:10care about the consequences. Yes, that's militious. There to walk through the
- 1:33:14steps to the concept of what you're plouting. All right, let's let's finish
- 1:33:18this off, because I think this is it. This is it movements.
- 1:33:21Yeah, I think interestingally, including the victimhood, self identity, including male
- 1:33:29female relationships, gender roles. I mean, I would pay attention to this
- 1:33:32university. It's at the forefront of many of the hottest button issues nowadays.
- 1:33:43So this is the story of men and women today as men, as women
- 1:33:47become more like men, men are lost. They haven't found a new identity,
- 1:33:57They denuded of their past role. They don't know how they should behave
- 1:34:01what they should do? They can I can I can I propose something?
- 1:34:08That. I don't think the people answer they say, men have not found
- 1:34:12a new identity, why should they have to do that. I'm just gonna
- 1:34:18let you don't have to answer the question. I'm just gonna put it out
- 1:34:20there. Why these people insist that the way men have been must change?
- 1:34:30Because that's what they're saying. Yeah, right, it's like saying, like,
- 1:34:34you know, dogs are I don't know, like they they're they're always
- 1:34:41looking their own genitals and butthole, and we they shouldn't have to do that.
- 1:34:45They should not do that anymore. They have to evolve and change.
- 1:34:48Why you know, we should we cats should be on leashes and they should
- 1:34:58progress. Yeah, but like, but it's progress because women's women's roles have
- 1:35:05evolved, even though they still apparently evolved. No, women have not,
- 1:35:12That's what I'm saying. Though women have not changed that much. Yeah,
- 1:35:15the world has not changed that much. Like how what like how long?
- 1:35:19Okay, how long has the world been here? How long? How old
- 1:35:23is the earth? How long have humanity been millionaires? Like, Okay,
- 1:35:28so let's say four billion years? How long has humanity been here? I
- 1:35:31think two million? Okay, so let's let's go with that. I don't
- 1:35:35really know. Depends on why. How could you be so arrogant as to
- 1:35:42believe that that that human beings having been here for what four million years,
- 1:35:49that they should change completely in like thirty years. Yeah, how arrogant is
- 1:35:58that? It's like I'm serious, like why and then and then people like
- 1:36:02how absolutely arrogant is it that social social sciences think, Oh, we're just
- 1:36:10going to re engineer people in like my lifetime. We're just going to do
- 1:36:14that. We're going to do that like in the next fifty years. That
- 1:36:16is going to result in the catastrophe that we're now facing. Okay, now
- 1:36:25let me put let me go, let me take that from another angle.
- 1:36:29How arrogant and completely unself aware is it to ask men to change their identity?
- 1:36:38So what this guy is saying is men should change their identity from taking
- 1:36:43their identity from protecting and providing for women to taking an identity from protecting and
- 1:36:47providing from women. Yeah, like you you say, oh, this is
- 1:36:51going to destroy it's not going to destroy humans. It's not going to destroy
- 1:36:57human society. It's just going to destroy the weird societies. That's it.
- 1:37:01And I hate to say it, but us Westerners were not the sum total
- 1:37:04of human existence, and it looks like we're not going to be much.
- 1:37:09We're not going to be anything more than a calfart in terms of human history.
- 1:37:13So we don't have to continue, and our principles and ideals don't have
- 1:37:16to continue, and they certainly won't if we don't actually have children. It's
- 1:37:23not going to happen for us. So but ultimately, what he's suggesting,
- 1:37:30well, let's change men and women. No, that's not what's going to
- 1:37:32happen. Men and women aren't going to change necessarily. I mean, you,
- 1:37:36we're pretty damn flexible, I'll give us that, but fundamentally we're probably
- 1:37:42not going to change. What's going to happen is you're going to destroy all
- 1:37:45of the things that you value trying it okay, And again, what is
- 1:37:53hilarious to me is that he thinks he's changing anything when all he's doing is
- 1:37:58saying men should be defined by how I think or how I feel. I
- 1:38:02provide for the women in my life, and I protect the women in my
- 1:38:06life, and I make sure their needs meant how I protect them from their
- 1:38:11frailties, because that's the only reason why you would protect the woman because you've
- 1:38:14considered her to be lesser than you in some way, either physically or psychologically.
- 1:38:19The only reason why you'd provide for a woman is because you consider them
- 1:38:24her less able, either physically or psychologically. Right, So this guy is
- 1:38:29like, well, I provide for my frail, lesser females and my life
- 1:38:34in this way, and those men over there provide in that way, and
- 1:38:39that makes them bad men, bad men who should be beaten with clubs and
- 1:38:44turned out of turned out of the turned out of the away from the hearth
- 1:38:47at the center of the of the freaking campsite. Like it's the most primitive
- 1:38:51attitude, and it is not only is it arrogant to think that he's changing,
- 1:38:58or only is it air get to demand that men change. It's arrogant
- 1:39:01for him to think he's changing a damn thing, because he isn't. He's
- 1:39:06just doing more of the same. And the other fundamental thing is what are
- 1:39:11they asking when they say men need to change their identity? All right,
- 1:39:14they're saying women don't need men, right, Well, how do men change
- 1:39:17their identity in a world where women don't need men? Which is total bullshit,
- 1:39:21But let's just say it's true. While men have to stop pick caring
- 1:39:25about being needed by women the end. But what did this paper do?
- 1:39:30Well? How do men define themselves by why women's needs and what those needs
- 1:39:35are? Okay, well, you guys do this. You guys eat your
- 1:39:41own shit like an ideological human centipede until the end of Western civilization, because
- 1:39:46that's what you're doing. Nothing all right? Was there any more? Yeah?
- 1:39:56Sure, let's please. I think we've totally annihilated him. But let's
- 1:40:00none. I think there's a little bit of ass left to well. I
- 1:40:01mean, when you're quoting, when you're basically like using like a paper that
- 1:40:06involve like Michael Kimmel, Michael Flood, you're basically putting a bullet in your
- 1:40:11own head. Oh good lord, and countrary to what the studies, I
- 1:40:19think, heartbreak, depression, anxiety, and mental illness actually increase in marriages
- 1:40:29and relationships don't decrease. What are you talking about, you dips. Oh
- 1:40:34he's saying married couples are are more more depressed, more like unhappy? Wrong?
- 1:40:41Wrong, aren't wrong? Now shut up and shuffle off your child.
- 1:40:48Okay, mm hmm. It's sort of sad. You could get this old
- 1:40:55but remain this childish. Okay, keep going on purpose. Why these institutions
- 1:41:03romantic relationships, intimate relationships and marriages, formalized intimate relationships. Why these institutions
- 1:41:11are dying because they're no longer functional and they no longer provide the benefits that
- 1:41:16they use. Okay, okay, wait stop, I get the sense he's
- 1:41:19happy about this. Okay, he's happy about this. Okay, I'm just
- 1:41:25get the sense, and I could be wrong, so we can do a
- 1:41:28little a little wager, which is really not going to amount to anything,
- 1:41:32but I think that we're about to embark on why he gets to dip his
- 1:41:36wick in multiple women with the ideological logic behind that. Okay, let's go.
- 1:41:44I could be completely wrong. I don't even remember what he said,
- 1:41:47so I'm pretty sure I did read it. But let's see, at the
- 1:41:51beginning of a twenty fifth century, we need new models, new institutions,
- 1:41:58new arrangements, and then you understanding between what used to be women and who
- 1:42:03used to be men. We're heading it's a new era where people with vaginas
- 1:42:11would be in control and bring with them a totally different psychological profile and baggage.
- 1:42:18Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, once again, let's go back.
- 1:42:21Remember he said that women are compete because they became men or something.
- 1:42:27Yeah. Women. Okay, but isn't that sort of transphobic? Women with
- 1:42:30vaginas are going to be in control? Are you sure? No? No,
- 1:42:33No, he's being he's being specific. The fact that he's saying with
- 1:42:38vaginas suggests that men women without vaginas, women with penises will will have less
- 1:42:43power. Yeah, but isn't that transphobic? Like, aren't we supposed to
- 1:42:47not care about that at this point? Oh? I don't know. I
- 1:42:49mean, I don't know if I would hold him too that standard because I
- 1:42:53don't know if he's a progressive. So yeah, well, we just watched
- 1:42:58an entire video about why he should be She should basically be the only man
- 1:43:02that that women desire because he's the one that protects and provides for them in
- 1:43:08the way that they should be at least that's what it felt like to me,
- 1:43:11and feeling, as we all know, feels are reals. Okay,
- 1:43:15I'm still curious if the I think we almost got a little bit of the
- 1:43:20Uh, this is the justification for why I should be able to dip my
- 1:43:24wick in multiple women with the whole we need new arrangements other than uh marriage.
- 1:43:31But let's see, let's see if he comes a little bit more out
- 1:43:34with it's all right to get adopted to this. We need to develop positive
- 1:43:41adaptations, both as men and as women, and we are very late in
- 1:43:46doing this. And this is a much bigger risk, much greater threat than
- 1:43:51climate change, because the tension and attraction between men and women has been the
- 1:44:01driving force, the engine, and the fuel of all civilizations bar none.
- 1:44:06Okay, so he basically says what I've been saying for what five years,
- 1:44:12But he's in no way equipped to actually take that first step across the chasm,
- 1:44:19that that that that search for the holy grail step, that step that
- 1:44:24requires courage and a desire not to believe these facile lies. Okay, yeah,
- 1:44:38we're pretty close here, Brian. Let's do it. Very constructive civilization
- 1:44:44is an outcome of this intricate into plate between the respective charm and magic of
- 1:44:49both genders. Okay, so we've taken away gender roles, we've obliterated sex
- 1:44:57differences, and now what what's the alternative? All these movements feminism they're fall
- 1:45:08from, but not only femine me too. All these movements are about negative
- 1:45:15way you just said feminism in me too? Like those are like the same
- 1:45:17thing. Like, what are you talking about all these movements? You mean
- 1:45:21this one movement and the consequences of said movement. Okay, identity, These
- 1:45:29movements know what they want to fight, they know what they want to destroy,
- 1:45:32they know what they to reverse. Well they do, but I think
- 1:45:38it's much I think it's much more about they know what they want to control
- 1:45:41and get money from. We're gonna have destroying it. Yeah, I mean
- 1:45:45me me too is about power. It's about money. It always was.
- 1:45:49Oh god, me too, Like I'm I'm honestly guys, me too is
- 1:45:54just possibly the most cynical cash grab in human history. It is actually pretty
- 1:46:00gross. All right, Let's let's continue with a positive identity, with the
- 1:46:08vision of the future, with how things might look optimally with a utopia.
- 1:46:15And so we've ended up in a dystopia. Okay, so we've ended up
- 1:46:19in a dystopia. But is why? It can't be because of the traditionalists.
- 1:46:28It's because of the Yeah what that is? Like? Why why?
- 1:46:32Then? Well, the traditionalism is bad, So why are you here?
- 1:46:36Maybe it's because of these facile lies that you keep clinging to the fact that
- 1:46:41you can't take that first step because it requires courage, and the only way
- 1:46:45to get over the chasm is to take that first step that requires courage.
- 1:46:48So we just mill around, get and making, and everything keeps getting worse.
- 1:46:54We mill around constructing ideological human centipedes, and everything just gets worse,
- 1:47:00where these with academics just eat each other's shit and excrete more shit into each
- 1:47:04other's mouths, and an endless cycle of entropy. I know that looks disgusting,
- 1:47:14but isn't Now it's happening, seems all right, all right, yeah,
- 1:47:20I mean we're pretty close. Let's finish it and demolished and destroyed and
- 1:47:26eradicated and obliterated many many things, many of which were bad, some of
- 1:47:30which were good. And we destroyed everything. So now we look around and
- 1:47:35need's a wasteland, not a single tree inside, not a brook or a
- 1:47:41stream bubbling anywhere. Everything is dead Martian landscape. And no one seems to
- 1:47:48have come succeeded to propose a plan for renewal, resurrection, and renovation.
- 1:48:00And this might spell the very end of the human species. M I'm pretty
- 1:48:06sure the Amish can no, We'll be okay, because there are people who
- 1:48:10aren't listening to all this commy gobbledygook, and they're just making babies and homeschooling
- 1:48:15their kids. I see it every day. So you know, you guys,
- 1:48:17go ahead and pontificate and intellectualize and give your speeches and universities, and
- 1:48:24you'll just kill off those generations with your genetic dead end ideas while regular people
- 1:48:30are just gonna keep on making babies. And if this is either gonna become
- 1:48:34an like basically a fundamentalist society or it's gonna become an Islamic society, because
- 1:48:42one of those is gonna win out. So there you go, enjoy your
- 1:48:47secular modernist world while at lasts because y'all aren't making babies and they are.
- 1:48:53That's what it comes down to. Yeah, unfortunately, welcome to obsolescence.
- 1:48:58But all right, this is I mean, you want to really see a
- 1:49:03bit of trivia about this guy, Professor Sam Vac Sure, I would love
- 1:49:08it, right. I looked him up on Wikipedia. So he is eldest
- 1:49:15of five children born to Safari Jewish immigrants's mother from Turkey. Blah blah blah.
- 1:49:19There was Oh it was about his relationship In the mid nineteen eighties,
- 1:49:25he became aware of difficulties in his relationship with his fiance and that he had
- 1:49:29mootswings. In nineteen eighty five, he sought hell from a psychiatrist who diagnosed
- 1:49:33him with narcissistic personality disorder. Backman did not accept the diagnosis at the time.
- 1:49:43Oh good, so he was diagnosed with narcissism. Prise, What a
- 1:49:50surprise that a man that said, basically is saying, well, all you
- 1:49:55know, these other men, they're the bad guys and they're narcissists. Oh
- 1:49:59god, it's all project. But he's right there, it is. It
- 1:50:02is a wasteland. It is a waste land. I mean, I hope
- 1:50:05that the people who are breeding can manage to make it work for everybody else
- 1:50:11who's fucking up society. I think that ultimately we are going to be dealing
- 1:50:15with a massive and very painful collapse if we don't get our act together like
- 1:50:19the more. I guess, I don't know if I want to call myself
- 1:50:21progressive, but I'm okay with change, you know. I'm okay with civil
- 1:50:28rights for minorities, that kind of stuff. I think most can so called
- 1:50:32conservatives are as well. Honestly, it's a Christian concept. Guys. This
- 1:50:36idea that we care about people for just being people very Christian, that that's
- 1:50:44something that comes from the church. Like the the first civil rights movements were
- 1:50:47very much religiously based. Oh yeah, so are the so are the abolitionist
- 1:50:54movements. Yes, it was all about this concept of us all being one
- 1:50:59and gone odd, you know, and the meek shall inherit the earth.
- 1:51:02Like the A lot of our so called secular uh, democratic values are fundamentally
- 1:51:11Christian values, just dressed up in new clothing, and uh, you know,
- 1:51:15I would like to preserve what we have. I think they're they're good
- 1:51:19values. The Christianity functionally believes that all all men and women deserve dignity,
- 1:51:27and they deserve recognition of their of their personal merits. They deserve a creator
- 1:51:33that loves them and wants the best for them. You know, these are
- 1:51:38good values. There's a lot of good stuff in that, and we seem
- 1:51:43to have just really thrown it out. And and what's hilarious is the people
- 1:51:46who are acting out the very thing like these these and Okay, Christian values
- 1:51:56is about consette care and concern for the people who are not well off.
- 1:52:00I mean there, this is the honestly, like caring about widows and children
- 1:52:04isn't is more like a universal social value. But Christianity does take it to
- 1:52:12like a higher degree, I think in terms of recognizing the idea that every
- 1:52:17person should be treated well and also that people should be judged based on how
- 1:52:24they act, not who they are. Right, these are good values and
- 1:52:29they inform secular humanism in all of its capacities. It's ridiculous to assume to
- 1:52:35say that that isn't the case. Go look at systems of morality throughout history.
- 1:52:41Go look at them, like, let me tell you they were very
- 1:52:45different. For example, if in many in many cultures throughout all of human
- 1:52:51history, if you were conquered militarily, you became livestock, right you literally
- 1:53:00like if you were if you submitted yourself, allowed yourself to be submitted to
- 1:53:05a greater physical power, you lost the right to call yourself human because you
- 1:53:13submitted and humanity, a human was supposed to either overcome or die or kill
- 1:53:20themselves in the face of military force. Otherwise you weren't human and they could
- 1:53:26do whatever they wanted to you. And also, if you were born of
- 1:53:29people, who were forced into slavery. You were a slave because it was
- 1:53:33it was a generational thing, okay, And all that happened was that you
- 1:53:39lost some ancestor way back then, lost a war, and you lost the
- 1:53:43right to call yourself human. You became livestock. Right. That is an
- 1:53:47attitude that Christianity directly opposed. And I would argue that I sort of sprung
- 1:53:56out of like the Roman attitude, but I won't get into that. So,
- 1:53:59I mean, there's all good stuff there. We should preserve it,
- 1:54:03you know. It's it's it's something that maybe is trickier, like it's trickier
- 1:54:06to make make this stuff work with the normal the human instincts around reproduction.
- 1:54:12But it's it's it's a problem that's solvable. The only problem is that individuals
- 1:54:16like this enact the same primitive instincts, you know. Like all he's doing
- 1:54:24here is saying those men are over there are don't deserve women, they don't
- 1:54:28deserve sexual access to the fragile females. I'm gonna protect them. I'm going
- 1:54:31to beat my chest and make sure those men stay away, because I'm the
- 1:54:34one who can provide and protect for the fragile females. You know, it's
- 1:54:39it's like it's just more like elephant sealed bullshit. And yeah, what's his
- 1:54:46ultimate conclusion? I mean, unless unless he's unless he's not straight, which
- 1:54:51is also possible. I guess that is true. But you know, a
- 1:54:56gay man can still act out the same kind of reproductive instinct of any other.
- 1:55:00Yeah, but like maybe not because he wants to read. I understand
- 1:55:04that. But I'm saying, like, maybe that's maybe there is less cause
- 1:55:08to care about women and what happened, well, what not the future of
- 1:55:12the species? Yeah, yeah, baby, But so ultimately his solution is,
- 1:55:17well, I guess guess what blame men? Men need to evolve.
- 1:55:24Yeah, if we do bad things, that's because of men. Okay,
- 1:55:29all right, all right, so we're blaming men again. Okay, let's
- 1:55:30yeah, let's have another round of that. Let's let's let's just just another
- 1:55:35another round of poop for the human ideological human centipede. Surely, surely something
- 1:55:41other than ship will come out of that. Mm hmm, Okay, I'm
- 1:55:45done. Whatever, All right, let's wrap it up then. Yeah,
- 1:55:48indeed, we don't want to look at the pictures, right, they're kind
- 1:55:51of crushing. Yeah, there. Well you can put them up and we
- 1:55:56can. I did, I've put them up. I mean, like,
- 1:55:59what is this ship? This is? This is the men building intimate partner
- 1:56:05something. What is this? Oh my god, this is cringe. Is
- 1:56:11they're doing yoga together, guys, Like, you're creating men that women will
- 1:56:16not find attractive? Like this is the thing, Like you're not You don't
- 1:56:19ask what women want. You presume that men and women just have to be
- 1:56:25re engineered. And then you tell men that they have to like this,
- 1:56:30but you don't say anything to women at all. And when it comes down
- 1:56:32to it, women are like, where where are the men? And they're
- 1:56:35doing that right now. They're doing that right now. They're like, where
- 1:56:38are the miss is It's beyond not creating men that women won't like. This
- 1:56:44is soulless. Oh my god, we're are on brunch. There is no
- 1:56:47humanity in this. Wow, people, this is all just material ship it
- 1:56:55is. It's materialist. Yeah, it's just materialist shit. Okay, there's
- 1:57:00a person happy ending, new beginning. I guess they got married. Congratulate
- 1:57:04equals this. This is a reference to Mister and Missus Smith movie about a
- 1:57:10couple that fought each other. It's at least it's two humans, I guess.
- 1:57:15Yeah, Like, what the hell is this? This is just materialist
- 1:57:17crap. It is so marketed at women. Let her choose do you want
- 1:57:26to work or do you want to use the vacuum? This is bad.
- 1:57:30This is like some This is like some art students' thesis. This business would
- 1:57:36get an F Brian, No, not not today. They you get an
- 1:57:43A just for not even for trying, like just for showing up. You
- 1:57:46can just be like, look, my art project is nothing because I am
- 1:57:50nothing, and the and the you would be like, oh shit, dude,
- 1:57:54that's an A. That's so profound, man, Yeah do you bro?
- 1:58:00You can't put that in the gallery? Take that establishment all right?
- 1:58:05God? Yeah, okay, I'm I don't even want to see that.
- 1:58:10I've lost the will to live. Yeah, I know, Like these pictures
- 1:58:12are like I mean, it would be fine if it was just like a
- 1:58:15bunch of people having fun or maybe some actual intimacy. But this is just
- 1:58:18like most of it is just consumer goods. Are you fucking kidding me?
- 1:58:25Yeah? Buy some pots and pans. I know. Well, let's just
- 1:58:29start an out for Ikia. We're gonna become dog parents. Oh all right,
- 1:58:34I don't know. Like dogs are pretty pretty intensive and they can you
- 1:58:40know, they can deepen a relationship, I think. But I love Jojo.
- 1:58:45He is is here, laying here on his side, but he is
- 1:58:50not a substitute for a real child. Like if I could have a real
- 1:58:55child, I would I would have Jojo too. But you know, I
- 1:59:00think that I think that when they push the dog thing, I think that
- 1:59:03it's not just like, oh yeah, dogs are nice. It's more like
- 1:59:08dogs are a sufficient substitute for children. And that I'm telling you this guy
- 1:59:15is probably really anti natalist, and I think that is a bias that affects
- 1:59:21his work. I mean, he's a using Unitarian unilateralist. Basically he goes
- 1:59:27to a Unitarian church and those people are woke as fuck. So I mean
- 1:59:33I used to not give a shit about them, but they are woke as
- 1:59:36fuck. Anyway, Okay, let's wrap it up. They gotta go pick
- 1:59:44up Lindsay Allison dropped. He's back, Alison, are you back? Yeah?
- 1:59:55Sorry about that. I was a complete idiot. I just I just
- 1:59:58hit the I closed the window. I'm sorry, Oh ship, that was
- 2:00:06completely inexcusable, Like god, yeah, No, nothing really happened to me,
- 2:00:13although we have been having periodic blackouts, which is why we started a
- 2:00:15bit late. But like we always start late, so I guess that's not
- 2:00:19really an excuse. But yeah, I just accidentally hit the I closed the
- 2:00:28Yeah, well let's let's wrap it up then, Yeah, let's go,
- 2:00:30let's let's finish this. Like maybe it's just I lost. I just couldn't
- 2:00:35stand it anymore. You know what, I'm gonna just look away from these
- 2:00:40photos because they're just yeah, I could stop sharing. That's it. We
- 2:00:44don't need. That's so free, a little destroyed, like what, Yeah,
- 2:00:47doesn't represent human relationships. It doesn't even know. It's just like yes,
- 2:00:53and like Instagram photos of here's a tree, yeah, man, lunches
- 2:01:00like oh look I had a milkshake for lunch, and like this, this
- 2:01:03has nothing to do with human bonding, you weird ideological fucked cards. Okay,
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- 2:02:19because nobody else can take that first step into the chasm, that that that
- 2:02:25that requires courage, that step that Indy took to get over to the holy
- 2:02:29grail. Indiana Jones took to get over get over to the Holy Grail.
- 2:02:32You guys, if you're into pop culture, you know what I'm talking about.
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- 2:02:49All right, Well, before I wrap it up, I did get
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- 2:02:58He did not include message, but thank you Great Indoors. All right,
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- 2:03:21of Well. I didn't change it, so I guess it's rand Zerker.
- 2:03:26I'm just gonna leave it because I don't think there's enough characters for maintaining frame.
- 2:03:29It's gonna make it even shorter, so and We will talk to you
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