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Why Grief Needs More Than a 3 Day Policy · Groove with Portia

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Group Porsche, the podcast that uncovers the hidden
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  Speaker 1: treasures within grief. I'm your host, Porsche the Producer, and
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  Speaker 1: dive in. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Grew with Porsche.
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  Speaker 1: latest and greatest of all with Grew with Porscha. So
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  Speaker 1: those of you who know I run grief groups locally,
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  Speaker 1: and I run the parent loss groups and the suicide
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  Speaker 1: loss groups. And what I tend to find often in
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  Speaker 1: my suicide loss group is the heaviness that continues to
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  Speaker 1: still circulate amongst each of my participants. And when I
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  Speaker 1: go back to the day that one of my dear
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  Speaker 1: friends died from a completed suicide. I remember standing in
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  Speaker 1: that world of paralysis confusion. I remember crying and screaming
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  Speaker 1: and not understanding why, And I think about how much
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  Speaker 1: I wish that I would have had some other tools
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  Speaker 1: then to support not only my friend's family at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but also even the participants who I continue to work
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  Speaker 1: with today. So today, everybody, I have the honor of
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  Speaker 1: being joined by doctor Jennifer Levin, who is a nationally
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  Speaker 1: recognized grief expert in the areas of sutton loss and
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  Speaker 1: unexpected loss. She is also credentialed as a fellow of thanatology.
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  Speaker 1: But those of you who don't know what thanatology is,
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  Speaker 1: it's the study of death, dying, and bereavement. And she
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  Speaker 1: is also the author of the book The Traumatic Lost
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  Speaker 1: Work Books. So welcome doctor Levin to grew Up Portia.
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  Speaker 1: How are you today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great, and thank you Posha so much for
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  Speaker 2: having me with you.
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  Speaker 1: With you, I'm excited because I think there's still so
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  Speaker 1: much work we have to do, doctor Levin, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that you've seen in the work that you're doing
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  Speaker 1: that there's still so many conversations we need to have
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  Speaker 1: right especially in the workforce. So before we dive in,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Levin, what are you grateful for today?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: What am I grateful?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I just came back from a just a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: hiking trip in Quebec and wow, the colors, the leaves
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  Speaker 2: and just it was just a great chance to reconnect
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  Speaker 2: with nature and how beautiful our world truly is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you know you're speaking my language, doctor Levin. Me
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  Speaker 1: and my boyfriend we went through the Finger Lakes in
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  Speaker 1: New York and I didn't realize that upstate New York
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  Speaker 1: had so many beautiful waterfalls, and you know it was
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we went real hiking and camping, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: staying in a tent, that whole thing. And you're right,
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  Speaker 1: like taking in nature, disconnecting from being connected to everybody
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  Speaker 1: on social media, technology, all the things. So I can
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  Speaker 1: relate to you there one hundred percent. Yes's doctor Levin.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think about, as I mentioned in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: in the world that we live in. We're so busy, right,
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  Speaker 1: and I think about how grief has become more integrated
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  Speaker 1: into conversations today. I recognize that shortly after my mom
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  Speaker 1: made a transition, because I was very vocal about it
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  Speaker 1: and I'm curious, doctor Levin, from your expertise, from your experience,
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  Speaker 1: what tends to what do you tend to continue to
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  Speaker 1: see in the workplace when it comes to grief and
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  Speaker 1: the loss of employees that continues to be that trend
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  Speaker 1: that's not being helpful. And also what can leaders do
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  Speaker 1: to really change change up their approach when an employee
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  Speaker 1: makes their transition.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, big questions to start off with. Well, there's so
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  Speaker 2: much grief right now in the world in general. I've
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  Speaker 2: been in this field for thirty five forty years, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever been this heavy. There's such
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  Speaker 2: an intersection right now between death and non death losses,
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  Speaker 2: and we feel grief whenever anything is taken away from us.
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  Speaker 2: And so there was a study by empathy dot com
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  Speaker 2: that showed us that twenty five percent of employees are
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  Speaker 2: grieving at any given time, and that's the death of
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  Speaker 2: a loved one. And I don't know that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of employers know that, and that's not you know, somebody
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  Speaker 2: who's died in the workplace that's just carrying that grief.
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  Speaker 2: And so, given just the fact that twenty five percent
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  Speaker 2: of the workplace is grieving at any one time, the
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  Speaker 2: death of al loved one, and all of the losses
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  Speaker 2: that are happening in the world right now, whether it
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  Speaker 2: be restructuring, whether it be financial loss, whether it be
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  Speaker 2: health or other things. There is such a heaviness of
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  Speaker 2: grief that we are experiencing, and so I think that
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  Speaker 2: leaders really need to acknowledge this grief, that this heaviness,
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  Speaker 2: this uncertainty, what it feels like to have the rug
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  Speaker 2: pulled out from underneath you, and to understand what grief
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  Speaker 2: looks like in the workplace, because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times we don't know what grief looks like. It's not
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  Speaker 2: this sadness that you might see in the movies, and
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  Speaker 2: absolutely that's a part of it. But grief can show
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  Speaker 2: up as anxiety, irritability, loss of productivity. It can show
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  Speaker 2: up as an inability to concentrate, to focus, to mistakes
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  Speaker 2: in work. And so for leaders to really understand what
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  Speaker 2: grief looks like, because it's going to hit their bottom line,
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  Speaker 2: but to understand and then to be able to develop
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  Speaker 2: programs and a culture that really understand and values that
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  Speaker 2: grief is part of our human existence. There's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 2: with us when we're grieving. It's part of who we are,
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  Speaker 2: and so we can't leave grief at the door. It
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  Speaker 2: comes to work with us. And so for it to
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  Speaker 2: be allowed to have that human emotion to be with
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  Speaker 2: us and present in the workplace, it's they're all ready,
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  Speaker 2: So for it to be acknowledged and to be supported,
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  Speaker 2: I like to say that grief. You know, when we
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  Speaker 2: let somebody off for a bereavement leave might be three,
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  Speaker 2: four or five days. They're not grieving during those three
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  Speaker 2: or four or five days. They're doing logistics, they're traveling.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever grief starts when they get.
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  Speaker 3: Back to work.
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  Speaker 2: So employers realizing that if something actually were to happen
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  Speaker 2: in the workplace, whether somebody has an unexpected medical crisis,
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  Speaker 2: a heart attack, an aneurysm, whatever it may be, God forbid,
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  Speaker 2: a suicide, an overdose, whatever, that's going to be there
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  Speaker 2: for a really, really long time, and so employers really
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  Speaker 2: need to make sure they have a comprehensive program and
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  Speaker 2: strategy in place to care for the well being of
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  Speaker 2: their employees over the long haul. So that was a
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  Speaker 2: lot at once.
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  Speaker 3: I hope that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And you're right. I love how you brought
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  Speaker 1: up about the three to five day lead, right, because
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  Speaker 1: I think, and not leaving grief at the door, because
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  Speaker 1: you're right, that's your thought for however long right every day,
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  Speaker 1: the minute that you're back to work, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: minute that you get that hall, that something happens, your
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  Speaker 1: mind has already checked out. You're not the same person
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  Speaker 1: in that instance, whether you know it's you've known that
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  Speaker 1: you had a parent who's been ill for some time
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  Speaker 1: and then they you know, slowly transition, or if it's
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  Speaker 1: a sudden thing where you had talked to your sister
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the morning and then you get a phone
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  Speaker 1: call that she died in an accident. Right, you're a
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  Speaker 1: different person the minute that grief hits you, that loss
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  Speaker 1: hits you. And I think when it comes to workplaces,
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  Speaker 1: you know there needs to be a space held for
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  Speaker 1: employees to feel safe to talk about the loss, especially
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  Speaker 1: of their coworker. If you've been coming to work for
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  Speaker 1: the last twenty years and you've been seeing Leslie sitting
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  Speaker 1: next to you, you know her family, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: know the struggles that she may have had depending on
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  Speaker 1: the relationship that you had with her. But you saw
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  Speaker 1: her every day and then to all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: she's not there. And all your coworkers. Nobody's allowed to
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  Speaker 1: address the elephant in the room. And doctor doctor Levin,
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  Speaker 1: you have a work kind of like a framework right
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  Speaker 1: that you you know, help corporations and things implement to
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  Speaker 1: really help kind of ease up on this very restrictive
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  Speaker 1: ten man approach to grief. Can you share that with
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  Speaker 1: our audience today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what I do.
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  Speaker 2: Is I am actually like a proactive approach. Unfortunately, it's
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  Speaker 2: not like if something's going to happen, it's when something's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. And I don't mean that as a
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  Speaker 2: fear based tactic. It's a reality based tactic. Something you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a business and you have people, death is
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  Speaker 2: a human experience, and so I like to work with
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  Speaker 2: I have a business called Traumatic Grief Solutions, and we
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  Speaker 2: like to work with businesses to proactively prepare for what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen in the office setting, whether it's a
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  Speaker 2: traumatic event of an employee actually dying at the office
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  Speaker 2: or outside of the office, or an employee's family member.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about.
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  Speaker 2: A policy, because policies don't care for people.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Can you say that again for our audience, Doctor Levin
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  Speaker 1: please say that again.
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  Speaker 2: Policies do not care for people. People care for people.
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  Speaker 2: And so many businesses have what we call EAPs, which
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  Speaker 2: are amazing organizations employee assistance programs, and they'll come in
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  Speaker 2: after a death has occurred and they'll do critical incidents
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  Speaker 2: to briefing and crisis counseling and all that. And that
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  Speaker 2: happens in the first couple of days. But what happens
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  Speaker 2: after our death. We're in shock, we're in disbelief. So
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  Speaker 2: research shows, or the data show, is that we don't
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  Speaker 2: really go in and take advantage of that, or if
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  Speaker 2: we do, that's one set of feelings, But what about
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  Speaker 2: how we're feeling two weeks, four weeks, three months afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: That's when employers are falling short. That is when the
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  Speaker 2: true impact of the loss has sunk in. And that's
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  Speaker 2: where Traumatic Braef Solutions wants to work with employers to
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  Speaker 2: be prepared on how are you again to address that?
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  Speaker 2: So we help number one with crisis support. If something
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  Speaker 2: has happened, you can give us a call and we'll
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  Speaker 2: come in and help you with your strategy at that moment.
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  Speaker 2: But our favorite thing to do and we love working
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  Speaker 2: and partnering and teaming with businesses who want to invest
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  Speaker 2: in their employees and strategically prepare and advance and go
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  Speaker 2: through our model on what it is the five steps
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  Speaker 2: that we have and it starts off with examining first
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  Speaker 2: how prepared are you and then going through this process
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  Speaker 2: to get prepared. And it's involving, you know, certain parts
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  Speaker 2: of training and building.
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  Speaker 3: A resource kit or say resources.
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  Speaker 2: And identifying what needs to be done so that you
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  Speaker 2: have the right culture to support your staff.
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  Speaker 1: And I appreciate you being very transparent about this, doctor Levin,
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  Speaker 1: because You're right, policy only sees the wording, right, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't see the individuals themselves, the little nuances within each
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  Speaker 1: and every circumstance. And you know, I'm glad that we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about this to doctor Levin, because one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that I think about, too, is how we talk
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  Speaker 1: about grief right when there's a transition of some sort,
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  Speaker 1: whether it especially traumatic one suicide, overdose, homicide. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in the boat where I've had a family
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  Speaker 1: member who was murdered, right. I've also been in the
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  Speaker 1: boat where I brought up about my friend who died
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  Speaker 1: from a completed suicide. And I think about the words
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  Speaker 1: that people say, Oh, I'm sorry for your loss, right,
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  Speaker 1: or I have no words? Doctor Levin, what have you
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  Speaker 1: seen to have been effective both on the wording end
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  Speaker 1: and also action end when it comes to addressing a
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  Speaker 1: loss for someone.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question. I've led countless number of groups,
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  Speaker 2: and this is always such a big topic that comes
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  Speaker 2: up of like, oh my gosh, you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: believe what so and so said, and you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: even books written about that, but some things, and I
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  Speaker 2: do trainings about this, and I actually have a tip
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  Speaker 2: sheet for employers on what to say and not to
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  Speaker 2: say to a grieving employee, and some of them they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of shocked. But obviously you never want to minimize
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  Speaker 2: or compare a loss. At least you didn't lose this
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  Speaker 2: or when I experience the death of my you know,
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  Speaker 2: grandmother or whatever. Every grief is so unique. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there are patterns and we all something we all go through,
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  Speaker 2: but it.
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  Speaker 3: Is such a unique experience.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever I leave a group, when I lead a support group,
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  Speaker 2: I always start off with, we are not having any
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  Speaker 2: competitive grief here. This isn't a competition competition. Your loss
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  Speaker 2: is your loss, and it is incredibly painful, So you
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  Speaker 2: never ever want to minimize compare and when somebody is
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  Speaker 2: grieving and actively grieving, it is all about their experience,
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  Speaker 2: and so providing advice not very helpful. It's all about them. Also,
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  Speaker 2: things say like you're so strong, Oh my goodness. The
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  Speaker 2: people I work with hate that. Usually they'll say like,
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  Speaker 2: like I have a choice, like I.
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  Speaker 3: Would really choose to go through this.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're on the outside watching, basically what you're
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  Speaker 2: saying is I don't think I could ever go through this,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't have.
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  Speaker 1: A choice or I can't support you. Essentially is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Because you're so strong, So what else can
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  Speaker 1: I do for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but avoid things like that. Another thing that you
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  Speaker 2: really want to avoid is saying to somebody, call me
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  Speaker 2: if you need me, if I can do anything, call me.
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  Speaker 2: So oftentimes the person who's grieving, either number one is
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  Speaker 2: so overwhelmed they don't even know what they need, and
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  Speaker 2: number two, they're not going to make that call. So
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  Speaker 2: if you really want to be of help at the workplace,
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  Speaker 2: could say, is it okay if our team brings dinner
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  Speaker 2: on Friday night or we've organized this, can we drop it? Off,
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  Speaker 2: or if it's a friend, you know, can I pick
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  Speaker 2: up the kids after school on Thursday? I see the
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  Speaker 2: law needs to be mode, we're gonna come over. Is
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  Speaker 2: that okay? But do specific things that you initiate. Don't
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  Speaker 2: ever ever put the onus on the person who is grieving.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ask them to call or need, you know, put
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  Speaker 2: them to ask for what they need.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, right, Because I tell people all the time,
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  Speaker 1: like your mind is filled. I mean, you're especially if
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  Speaker 1: you're in the initial of planning the celebration of life.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got to call family from out of town,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to wrap up loose ends, the bank statements
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  Speaker 1: and calling, you know, insurance what ever, your hands are strapped.
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  Speaker 1: And always tell people a lot of times people need
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  Speaker 1: a meal, right, you can organize a meal train you
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of times if they have kids, offer
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  Speaker 1: to you know, pick the kids up and even just
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  Speaker 1: offer to just be there with them. Because that was
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  Speaker 1: one thing doctor Levin that I know I struggled with
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  Speaker 1: because I was still running my business still at the
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  Speaker 1: time after my mom transitioned, and sometimes I just needed
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  Speaker 1: someone to sit with me over zoom where I could
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  Speaker 1: get work done, just sit with me where my mind
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  Speaker 1: isn't all over the place, I'm crying. I'm just sitting
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  Speaker 1: here paralyzed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or even ask can I come over? Would you
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  Speaker 2: like to talk about it? Or would you prefer to
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  Speaker 2: take a grief break?
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  Speaker 3: Mmm? You know, I'm a big.
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  Speaker 2: Fan of choices, and like you said, you're so overwhelmed,
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  Speaker 2: so just two, you know, would it be helpful to
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  Speaker 2: talk about your feelings or would you just like me
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  Speaker 2: to sit with you? Mmm?
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for reinforcing that grief break, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think people realize that they are allowed to put
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  Speaker 1: their grief on the shelf. Don't leave it there. Put
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  Speaker 1: it there on the shelf because it's an everyday thing,
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  Speaker 1: and slowly learn to incorporate it into your every day. Right,
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  Speaker 1: if you've got to have a pillow rage fit, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, put on that song that makes the water
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  Speaker 1: work show come up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing to avoid our signing meaning or rationalizations. Everything
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  Speaker 2: happens for a reason. It's long part of God's plan,
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  Speaker 2: or it was their time.
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  Speaker 3: You know what.
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  Speaker 2: If that's how the person grieving feels, they'll assign that meaning.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't need somebody else to tell them.
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  Speaker 1: That right, you got to reach that acceptance for yourself,
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  Speaker 1: because I I know in the initial after my mom
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  Speaker 1: made her transition, there was there was one Bible verse
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to probably missay it, doctor Levin, but
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  Speaker 1: it was something about being absent from the body as
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  Speaker 1: present with the Lord. And I know that when I
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  Speaker 1: would hear that, it would just know I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear that because to me, if this really made sense,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have to hear this quote from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: My mom should still be here with me. So you're right,
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  Speaker 1: like the person who's grieving has to reach that level
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  Speaker 1: of acceptance.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it all come in their time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so what you say is very dependent on
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  Speaker 2: where the person is in their grief journey. One thing
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  Speaker 2: that's so important to remember is that there is no
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  Speaker 2: timeline in grief, and so saying things like aren't you
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  Speaker 2: over this or it's already been a year is so
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  Speaker 2: painful to somebody. And with that to remember is after
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  Speaker 2: somebody has experienced a death or a loss, there's a
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  Speaker 2: tremendous amount of support in the beginning, but you know
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  Speaker 2: by month two, by month three, six months, even after
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  Speaker 2: a year, a lot of people will forget that you've
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  Speaker 2: experienced to death. But if that was your person who died,
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  Speaker 2: you haven't forgotten.
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  Speaker 3: You remember that every.
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  Speaker 2: Single day, and so really supporting somebody means not forgetting,
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  Speaker 2: remembering constantly, because a lot of the clients that I
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  Speaker 2: work with will say, I'm watching everybody else's life move on,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel totally forgotten.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that oh you preaching over here to the choir,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Levin, and I, you know, one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that really helped me, outside of the amazing support system
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  Speaker 1: that I've had through my grief journey, was I really
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  Speaker 1: dove into a lot of books. And you also have
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  Speaker 1: a book called the Traumatic Loss of Workbook. Can you
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  Speaker 1: share with our audience, doctor Levin, how they can use
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  Speaker 1: this workbook as they're working with their grief.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So I developed the Traumatic Workbook Traumatic Loss Workbook Powerful
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  Speaker 2: Skills for Navigating grief after a sudden or unexpected death,
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  Speaker 2: because there aren't a lot of resources out there for
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: individuals who've experienced a sudden or unexpected death, and so
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  Speaker 2: this is a workbook that takes you through the entire
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  Speaker 2: continuum of traumatic grief. It's something you can do right afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: Or it's something you can do a year later, because
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  Speaker 2: there are skills that are appropriate for the entire continuum,
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  Speaker 2: as I mentioned, those grief attacks, holidays and how to
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  Speaker 2: deal with the acute stuff. But it's got a lot
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  Speaker 2: about whole hope and how to create a meaningful future,
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  Speaker 2: things about continuing bonds and relationships with your loved ones.
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  Speaker 2: And it's based on evidence based skills, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: tools and techniques.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the things I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: To share is there's also a course that goes with
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  Speaker 2: the book, and the course has videos that I lead
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  Speaker 2: so that you can hear me narrate, but there's also
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  Speaker 2: fifteen twenty other videos by individuals who are living with
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  Speaker 2: traumatic loss and other health professionals who share other skills
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  Speaker 2: and insights with that as well. And I want to give,
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  Speaker 2: if it's okay, a promo code to your listeners so
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  Speaker 2: that they could get fifty percent.
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  Speaker 3: Off of the course, and that's early Bird.
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  Speaker 2: So if you go to the web page, my web page,
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  Speaker 2: which I think you'll put in the show notes hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: but the promo code is early Bird, and so you
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  Speaker 2: can do the workbook and the course together, and together
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  Speaker 2: those are good skills for if you've experienced a sudden
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  Speaker 2: or unexpected death.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent. So those of you you can, you know, grab
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  Speaker 1: the early bird version of this, you know, go to
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  Speaker 1: all her videos and you know, I like kind of
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  Speaker 1: that learning approach where you get both the practical and
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  Speaker 1: you can you know, watch videos and really help that
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  Speaker 1: to really sync in. Because when you're when you're navigating grief,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: your mind is all over the place. It's hard for
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you to really hold on to things. But this gives
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you the opportunity to really sit with your own emotions,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: go through it at your own pace, and also you
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  Speaker 1: can obviously help other people as you're going through it
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  Speaker 1: as well well. Doctor Levin, you know we're going to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: be running out of time here soon, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to again extend a deep amount of gratitude to you
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  Speaker 1: for coming on the show today. You know, before we conclude,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Levin, one of the things again that I'm really
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: glad that we had the conversation on was workforce, because
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of corporations that are continuing to keep
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a vicious cycle of culture because they want to keep
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: grief left at the door. If there's one piece of
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  Speaker 1: wisdom you can leave with corporate leaders today, what words
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of wisdom can you leave with them today?
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  Speaker 2: Grief costs the United States over one hundred billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: each year in loss of productivity, absenteeism, and turnover. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: so by investing in programs and acknowledging grief, you can
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  Speaker 2: number one, show your employees how much you care. But
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it'll also give such a payback for the workforce and
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: your business. And so just doing that is such an
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: amazing just such a important part for leadership to really
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: invest in their workforce and to change the culture.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, when you invest in your people, they will reciprocate.
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  Speaker 1: It's been proven time and time again. Well, everybody, that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: was doctor Jennifer Levin that you heard from angrew with Portia.
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  Speaker 1: And that concludes another episode and until next time, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: piece and hair grease