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Ep. 37 - An Interview With Nigel Bach · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You could do that every show and I would laugh
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  Speaker 1: every single time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hello, and welcome to episode thirty seven of Fright Maares.
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  Speaker 2: I am your host Austin Proctor, and across the table
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  Speaker 2: today is Cory Johnson. We have a special asked who
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  Speaker 2: will be joining us on the second half of this episode.
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  Speaker 2: We figured we would just kind of bullshit talk about
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  Speaker 2: some movies that we've seen recently, and then we are
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  Speaker 2: going to have mister Nigel Bach call in.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: He is the director of eight Bad Ben Movies, I
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  Speaker 2: believe something like.
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  Speaker 1: That, soon to be his own producer on his own
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  Speaker 1: channel network through Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a TV TV station or channel or
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  Speaker 2: something on these on these devices. So that's pretty fucking cool.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the first celebrity we've ever had,
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  Speaker 2: first like I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely first director for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty fucking stoked. We've got a whole list of
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  Speaker 2: questions here that we're gonna ask him and just kind
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  Speaker 2: of figure out, you know, what got him into making movies,
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  Speaker 2: what got him into horror and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So it should be pretty I'm I'm really fucking excited
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  Speaker 2: for this. It's funny. I was emailing him back and
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  Speaker 2: forth and he was like, do what can like, do
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  Speaker 2: I have to keep it clean? I was like, no, dude, no,
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  Speaker 2: do you not have to keep it clean. We swear
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  Speaker 2: like sailors. So he's like, I kind of have a
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: like a bad mouth. I was like, it's fine, it's
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  Speaker 2: like totally fine. I've seen your movie Strust. It's fine,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine. So your movies are pretty dam Just some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff that we watched. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna have them call
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  Speaker 2: buzz in a little bit later. But I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: talk about just some stuff we've watched recently. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've watched so many things that we haven't actually talked
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  Speaker 2: about on on air. So, uh, figured out, just rattle
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  Speaker 2: off some shit I've been watching recently. Let me pull
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  Speaker 2: it while I'm doing this, Huh, I said, do it?
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  Speaker 2: Do it to pull up my my diary, not my diet, well,
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  Speaker 2: my diary and letterbox. That sounded weird. No, I keep
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  Speaker 2: all my films I've ever watched in the diary.
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  Speaker 1: June tenth, seventeen seventy six. On this day, it was
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  Speaker 1: hot today we could not grow our grain.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Florida. It's fucking always hot, so let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so the one of the movies I recently
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  Speaker 2: saw was a Fantasy Island. I don't believe we've talked
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  Speaker 2: about this yet, and I know you haven't seen it,
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  Speaker 2: so I won't go into much. I'll just give you
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  Speaker 2: my opinions. I really felt it was a strong opening
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  Speaker 2: and a strong so the first and second act were awesome,
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  Speaker 2: and then it just fell apart in the third act.
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  Speaker 2: It was just all this like kind of finger pointing
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  Speaker 2: and this and that, and I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on anymore, and I'm not really into this.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I still gave it a three.
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  Speaker 2: Like, still a good movie, but.
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  Speaker 1: There's only so much you can expect from from a
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  Speaker 1: movie made from a seventies TV show, right, so there's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they can end it completely differently, but
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  Speaker 1: Bloomhouse isn't gonna do that well.
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  Speaker 2: And plus, wasn't the wasn't the show not like horror
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  Speaker 2: or anything.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was like thriller?
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  Speaker 2: Was it? Okay? I was I wasn't sure exactly what
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was like action thriller drama, I would
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  Speaker 1: definitely not consider horror. But also things at that time
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  Speaker 1: period weren't also super scary either.
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  Speaker 2: In the seven that is true. So yeah, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: good movie. First and second act were strong. I liked
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  Speaker 2: the comedy in that movie. I felt they played the
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  Speaker 2: line between comedy and horror almost perfectly, and the acting
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  Speaker 2: was really really good. But and Michael Michael Penya, Pina
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  Speaker 2: whatever him is Rourke or fuck whatever his name was.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was Rourke, the guy who runs the island.
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  Speaker 2: He was fucking hilarious. But yeah, just at the end,
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of like, I don't really know exactly what happened,
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  Speaker 2: and if you don't know what fantasy Island, and the
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  Speaker 2: premise Fantasy Island is, the premise is it's an island
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  Speaker 2: that you're I guess they win something and they get
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  Speaker 2: to fly there and your wildest fantasy comes true, like
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want happens. But then you realize that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like you have to play it all the way through
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  Speaker 2: and they don't always go as you think, and shit
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  Speaker 2: just goes down. So again, really really good movie, just
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  Speaker 2: did not stick the landing unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: But the Island version of a Genie.
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  Speaker 2: It really is, except you don't get three wishes, you
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  Speaker 2: get one, and you don't know how it's gonna end.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, well you don't know how the geniuses are.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna No, I'm like that comparison. That was good. It's
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  Speaker 2: just really funny. So uh it go checked that out.
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  Speaker 2: I actually watched it at the AMC Dining and Out
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  Speaker 2: or Altamont and Disney Springs. That's really cool if you
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  Speaker 2: get a chance. I've never done dining besides the Lomas Cinema.
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  Speaker 1: So I went and saw The Lion King in three
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  Speaker 1: D when it came out in three D in like
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. Yeah, so Disney re released the
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  Speaker 1: Lion King animated movie. Really, but they made it a
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  Speaker 1: three D theater experience.
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  Speaker 2: God, I don't remember that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like twenty ten, twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty fucking rad.
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  Speaker 1: And I went to the AMC din In and watched
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  Speaker 1: it and it was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dinan is the way to go. People can bring
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  Speaker 2: you food and beers and it's just the way to uh,
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  Speaker 2: just the way to live.
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  Speaker 1: That's a that's an eleven dollars Budweiser right there, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The large beer I got was like twelve bucks,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean it was like it was like a
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  Speaker 2: like a thirty two or thirty six ounce, like big
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  Speaker 2: ass cup. I was like, okay, and I got the
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  Speaker 2: half of y and so yeah, feeling good.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was about to say thirty two ounces of Heineken,
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  Speaker 1: it's still thirty two ounces of high.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was good beer. I got good beer for
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  Speaker 2: twelve bucks. Because it's like they all have the same price.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the want the best one with the
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  Speaker 2: highest abb So anyways, if you can go see a
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  Speaker 2: movie and dine in, I recommend it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I had a fun time, never really done that before,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a good time. So what's something you've
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  Speaker 2: seen recently?
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  Speaker 1: I went and saw Gretelin Hansel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice, okay, let's get your elpinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if it was because I caught
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  Speaker 1: the late show. I don't know if it was my
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  Speaker 1: level of inebriation. I know there could have been a
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  Speaker 1: lot of factors to it. I just wasn't about it.
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  Speaker 1: It was shot really nice. I liked all the actors. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all the actors were great. It's just I was like okay,
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  Speaker 1: but okay, okay, so you're trying.
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  Speaker 3: To be like.
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  Speaker 1: Semi modernistic grim fairytale like because they kept it very
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  Speaker 1: vague on what the actual like what era it was,
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  Speaker 1: because they start you off thinking like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: back in like Victorian times, and then they're like, hmm,
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  Speaker 1: just being a little too modern for I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. It's probably really good. I'll
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  Speaker 1: probably watch it again when it comes out on like
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  Speaker 1: vod or red Box or something. I just I just
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get into it because it goes in saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be the Brother's grim version of this fairy tale.
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  Speaker 1: But they kind of they don't leave you with all
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  Speaker 1: of the good shit that came from the Grim tales,
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  Speaker 1: true the blood, the death, the gore, well those PG.
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen and so yeah, yeah, but you can get away
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  Speaker 1: with a lot nowadays. For PG thirty, well you're allowed
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  Speaker 1: one fuck for PG thirteen you can show me some blood.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will say that with the Fantasy Island, for
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  Speaker 2: it being PG thirteen, it was actually the horror elements
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  Speaker 2: were really really well done for it not having that
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  Speaker 2: you know, that hard R rating cell.
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  Speaker 1: So exactly it. You can get a lot, Yeah, you
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: can do a lot of stuff with a with a
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  Speaker 1: little bit there was.
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  Speaker 2: It was just I don't know, I just I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was creepy and yeah again it was
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  Speaker 2: just shot oh so beautifully.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, the set pieces look like Disney and
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  Speaker 1: Tim Burton combined and got together then with hr Geeger. No,
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  Speaker 1: the visuals are fantastic. It's a beautiful movie. It's just like, Okay,
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: another monologue by the girl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one thing I was not too fond
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  Speaker 2: of was the her inner monologue throughout the movie, like why.
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  Speaker 1: And I've I've been so I've been saying this since
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  Speaker 1: the start. All the IT children are good in that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go out and get your other movies. You're ruining it.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: See, but she's doing good because she's actually got a
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  Speaker 2: show coming out on Netflix called I'm Not Okay with
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  Speaker 2: This or something like that. I think she stars on that.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with her. But I don't know fin Wolfhard
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: is besides Stranger Things an it, I don't know. I'm
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: not He's not great in The Turning. So I'm hoping
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  Speaker 2: that he kind of.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll see how he does in Ghostbusters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping that's where he kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: finds his own way, because I don't want all these
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  Speaker 2: kids going off and doing their own shit, Like.
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  Speaker 1: Can we just be done with Ghostbusters? Do we need
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  Speaker 1: that anymore? Because I don't need that anymore. I'm I
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: need Ghostbusters too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody did. It was like that one
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  Speaker 2: was okay. I mean, first one was great, second one
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  Speaker 2: not so great. I didn't even watch the one that
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: was female driven, just because I heard it was so terrible,
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  Speaker 2: and that's my fault. I should just go make my
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  Speaker 2: own opinion. But yeah, I don't know, Like it just
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  Speaker 2: seems like a nostalgia thing at this point, not about
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  Speaker 2: making a good movie.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, so how can you make it nostalgic when
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  Speaker 1: you are like they're they're not even making it for
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  Speaker 1: our demographic anymore. It's like kids now, so they want
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: kids to get into Ghostbusters. How is it nostalgic for
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  Speaker 1: people that have never seen it? Well, they made seen it, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying it's nostalgic for people who know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And that's and that's what's
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  Speaker 2: driving and I feel like, you know, because they got
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  Speaker 2: the whole cast back, They've got Paul Rudd, they've got
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  Speaker 2: Finn Wolfard, so it's like they have, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: young kid that everyone's been seeing stranger things. But then
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  Speaker 2: they also have all those you know, old guys for us,
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  Speaker 2: not old timers, but you know, those people have watched
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  Speaker 2: those movies. So I don't know. I mean, am I
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  Speaker 2: gonna go see it? Of course? Am I gonna love it?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not unless I do some crazy ass shit in
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  Speaker 2: that movie, which I mean, I don't know. I have
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  Speaker 2: no expectations. Yes, Jason wrightman I believe is directing it,
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  Speaker 2: who I believe did the first one, so at least
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  Speaker 2: we got that. But I mean other than that, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. You know, they have the whole cast coming back,
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: which is cool, but I'm just with you, like, do
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  Speaker 2: we really need this?
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, just.
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  Speaker 1: Make one new idea, please, just one.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: I will tell you one this year, just one, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because I'll do It's been like just remake after remake
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  Speaker 2: after sequel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like like like, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I am a high just fuck for quiet Place too,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: but like give me some.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: New no, see I'm I'm super stoked for that. Well, hey, okay,
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: we have Antlers coming out, all right, Okay, that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be fucking sick. That's my most anticipated of the year.
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  Speaker 1: So although I I'm for some reason, I have the
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: feeling that it's gonna be kind of slender manny.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a creature feature.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well yeah. I also haven't seen the Red Band trailers.
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  Speaker 1: I've refused to watch it. Yeah, I refuse.
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  Speaker 2: I want to.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know what it's gonna be. Also,
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  Speaker 1: slender Man is a creature, so.
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  Speaker 2: Well he's he From what I've gotten from the first trailer,
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like the Ritual Monster in a sense of
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  Speaker 2: where it's got like the Antlers.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking, yeah, so I'm actually thinking that
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be like a wind to go.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, something like that. Yeah, And now that it
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  Speaker 2: has the the like the hard R on it, I'm
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  Speaker 2: like fuck yeah, because I was hoping that wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: BG thirteen. But once I saw a Red Band, I
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: was like, fuck yeah, it's gonna be r. So excited
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  Speaker 2: for that movie that comes out. Uh, I think it
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  Speaker 2: comes on in April. Yeah, yeah, two more months. I'm
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  Speaker 2: super April or.
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  Speaker 1: Is it March?
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  Speaker 2: I'll double check right now. How about that? There you go,
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  Speaker 2: fucking antlers. Yeah, that was that was on our talking
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: We talked about that at the beginning of the year,
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  Speaker 2: and when I came across that one and read the description,
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, yeah, it is April seventeenth. Yeah,
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: that's Oh that's the kid in it. Oh that fucking
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: ginger hair kid.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: I think April seventeenth is like right around when final
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: Fantasy seven remake comes out.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: A remake of a video game. Yeah, oh well.
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  Speaker 1: All right, it's gonna be one hundred gigs.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: That is a lot of gigs. It's too many. Well,
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: that'll be an interesting weekend for all of us if
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: that game comes out, and uh, you know, we have
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: this awesome movie coming out. Uh, let's see what else
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  Speaker 2: I've watched recently. So we got Fantasy Island. That was
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: the last episode we did. Oh yeah, let's talk about
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: Norroy Nori No the Curse. Yeah, whoa.
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  Speaker 3: That was.
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  Speaker 1: So number one. It was a foreign found foreign found
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  Speaker 1: footage movie.
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  Speaker 2: That's to say, a lot of f's.
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  Speaker 3: It.
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  Speaker 1: It was very interesting in the fact that it was
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  Speaker 1: a found footage that was not American. I know of
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: like two or three of those. You got like troll Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, there's a German one that I've seen
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  Speaker 1: that I can't remember what it is at the moment anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, there are a few, but they always are
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  Speaker 1: on the same type of formula. Normally it's like a
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  Speaker 1: ghost or a monster. This one was like a demon,
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: but not a demon type of thing. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a demon, but it was also a
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  Speaker 1: ghost that had been around for thousands of years but
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  Speaker 1: was actually able to be sealed literal underground, not in hell,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: but likely underground der the ground. It was very strange.
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  Speaker 1: It also had a score, which when.
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  Speaker 2: You said, yeah, it's like, oh this found footage score.
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  Speaker 2: That's weird.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, huh, okay, And then I started
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  Speaker 1: watching it and when the big epic scene happens where
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: the big score comes in, you're like, oh, okay. But
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: then if you rewind it, you're like, oh shit, does
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  Speaker 1: that a score the entire movie?
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just so.
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  Speaker 1: Lightly peppered in You're like, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: That's whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But no, like there's music playing through the entire movie
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  Speaker 1: and You're like, what the fuck? Why did I not
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  Speaker 1: notice that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because like it doesn't make sense because
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just supposed to be compiled footage that
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  Speaker 2: someone threw together. But in the same sense, if they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to throw music behind it, I guess, but it's
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  Speaker 2: just not typical for for front footage. Do you have
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  Speaker 2: a score? So it was throwing me off. I'm like,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I don't all right, I mean it worked, but it
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: was just it was just weird as fuck.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Basic basic premise documentary filmmaker is exploring seemingly unrelated paranormal
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  Speaker 2: incidents connected by the legend of an ancient demon called
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: the Kata Cagu Taba. So it's almost kind of like
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: ghost stories in a sense if you've seen that anthology
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  Speaker 2: where it's this guy going around, you know, documenting certain
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: events and stuff like that. But this, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: this was the ending sequence alone. I sat there and I.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Was just like, oh, yeah, that ending sequence. You just
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you find out why, because you know, at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the movie they talk about this guy's
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: house being you know, set on fire. You find out
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  Speaker 2: how it got set on fire, and you're just like
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: done fucking bloom. Dude, that was a crazy ass ending.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: So on that subject, I have two things about this movie,
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  Speaker 1: one good thing, one good bad thing?
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  Speaker 2: Or what one good thing?
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  Speaker 3: Wait?
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  Speaker 2: What thing? Okay, go for it.
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  Speaker 1: So the good thing is I love and appreciate when
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: a movie sets you up something in the beginning and
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: then the very final scene of that movie is how
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: the beginning happened. I appreciate that. Thank you for bringing
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: me back full circle.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Oh God.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: However, Okay, filmmakers who may or may not be listening
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: to this podcast, do not shoot your movie where everything
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: is either whispered or scream That is the most because
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: like I was watching this with my girlfriend at her house,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: like late at night, and we had to either turn
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: her soundbar up like five clicks or turn it down
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: to like a level eleven because it would it would
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: be to quiet, and then all these women would start screaming.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: And it was just like, dude, come on, like, I
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: don't want to wake up people across the street with
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: screaming with streaking Japanese women.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: That's not how I want to wake No.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was a good movie, though, what'd you
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: give it?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Did you rate that one.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I have not read it yet. I would probably give
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: it like a three point five.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave it a four.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: It could have been optimized a little better, like if
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you're gonna give us subtitles, put the put the box
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: around the subtitles and like have a drop set so
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you can't read what the actual Chinese is.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that was a problem. They had Chinese subtimes
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: and then American over at our English and I was like,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I don't wait, that's too much happening. I don't know
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: what's going on anymore.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and which made it a little bit more difficult
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to follow the quote unquote timeline through the movie, right
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: because you're like, okay, so they give you a date
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: of what on when the movie is opening, and that
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: is the obvious last thing in sequence of history, right,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So like all right, this was now six months ago.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: All right, So now we're six back, six months back
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: from the original date. And then they don't give you
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like two days after, three days after, they give.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: You just like actual dates.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So the night the night the incident happens is like
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: in February seventh, Yeah, so you go six months back
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: from that and it's like September twelfth or whatever, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: then they're like, Okay, now it's August fourteenth. Now it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: December thirty.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: First.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Now it's like and I was like, too many numbers.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Too many every scene change, where they're going, where they're
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: going from, Like all right, we're we're meeting with these
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: people to talk about this.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: All right, now we're meeting with these people to talk
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: about subject B. From that to that. They switch times
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and they put it up so now every scene change,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: you're having to keep track of numbers.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that just seems kind of arbitrary after a
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: certain point, Like I don't need to know every single
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: fucking day that's ever been existed in this movie. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: just don't need I just don't need it. But I mean, yeah,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I don't. It was just it's just something I hadn't seen,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: so I gave it a little bit more just because
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: it's like I've never seen a Yeah, but yeah, I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: thought it was pretty good. That was streaming on Amazon,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I believe or shutter. Yeah. I never know which one's
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: which because I have mine linked up, So go check
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that out. I mean it's got really good.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Marks on I'll tell you what. On the Shutter app
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: like just by itself, is very odd to use if
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you come from the Amazon side, where it's just like
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a click.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And yeah done.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a whole different year.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I will say with Amazon and Shutter, they don't have
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: enough like categories. They'll have like what's new and like
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: fucking popular, and then they have like thriller and something
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: else and like that's it. That's all they have for
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: like categories. I'm like, where it's like a thriller, like
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: no down, no shugger. Once you'd be like, all right,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you're here, you know what you want. That's true though,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I mean you go to Shutter and you search for something,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: it's honestly, it's like eight times out of ten it'll
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: probably be there.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the most bizarre shit on Shutter.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And when you have Amazon combined with that, I mean
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: they they definitely have the best horror selection, even Amazon
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: over Netflix or Hulu. Like Amazon's got a pretty fucking
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: dope selection. Hulu's picking up some steam though. They have
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the End of the Dark shit that I really need
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to start watching. They have. They've done like two seasons
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and they're on their third or something like that. So
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I say seasons because they that's what they call them
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: according to IMDb. So I really need to get on that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I would love to do a like an episode based
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: around like four of those because they've got a lot
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of them have really good, really good ratings. So check
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: that shit out if you have Who to the lou.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So outside of horror, which I know is blasphemy.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: What what? I'm shaking my fist.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Have you been watching the uh mcmillions docuseries?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is? So what even?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: You know the.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Monopoly game at McDonald's, right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's the guy who like cheated the system to
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: win all the things with the stuff. Yet for like
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: three decades, Jesus.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Like millions and millions of.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Dollars and I wish I was that smart.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I think it was from like seventy nine to two
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: thousand and two or something. Jesus that nobody accept the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: people in that family won it was. I mean, you could,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you could win like a free small fry or like whatever.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Hey I've won that, buddy, all right?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, so that's why I play the game because
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I just want the free food.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to win a fucking corvette. That
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: shit ain't gonna happen. No, but literally.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Everybody that won, like the million dollars, the corvette, the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: boat that it's they all come from the same family.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, crazy horror story from McDonald's. Uh for them,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: it's hordor we're losing all this money. What the fuck
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: is happening? But see, here's the thing.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't be losing that money anyway. They're gonna give
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it to somebody.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: That's true. I guess they're just not't expecting to give
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it to the same people over and over and over.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: But it's on HBO, and it's They release an episode
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: every week, so I think it's only episode three right now,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: so you can totally catch up on it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Netflix needs to start doing that, because they released
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: all the here's a season, benge it. Then wait a year?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You sick? Fuck Like god damn it. I wish they
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: would release stuff weekly. Honestly, I would wait. All right,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about one more movie here that I would
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: just watch recently that I thought I had seen but
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: apparently hadn't, and that is the Poughkeepsie tapes. So much
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: for my eyeballs. That's a that movie's fucked. Holy shit.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: My first watch through of it, I was just angry
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: at it because it's so low quality, so shaky cam
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that I was like, all right, this is give me
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a headache. And then my second watched through of it,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: which was like, I don't know, two or three years ago,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, this is a very underrated,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: very dark and disturbing movie.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: No, it really is, because I remember texted like messaging
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you during it because I was like, Okay, I must
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: have never seen the Poughkeepsie tapes because I'm watching this
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and I really feel like I would have remembered how
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: horrifying this is. But I probably got it confused with
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the Vatican tapes or the Last tapes.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Or the Dark tapes. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Sure, there's so many tape tapes, the tape tapes, the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: tapes of tapes.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: The guy that wraps packing tape around things on YouTube,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So I'm watching this movie and uh, basically a hundreds
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of videotapes. I think the police come across all these
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: videotapes of torture and murder and dismemberment. They're found in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: this abandoned house. They reveal a serial Killer's decade long
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: reign of terror, and then you know, just becomes the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: collection of the most disturbing you know, homicides detectives I've
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: ever seen and has my I watched that with Gabby.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: She was fucking not happy because I was like, let's
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: put this on. This has got good ratings. I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I've seen this before.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Because it's basically like all violence against women.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all like it's like it's like torture porn
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: against women, and it's dude, it is just it is brutal.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's based off something that actually happened.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did. It's it's you know, in the beginning
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: is like, you know, based off true events. You know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: we'd all know how loosely that can be interpreted. But
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it did say it was based off of like real things.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's like that's even more terrifying.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Fuck that. I'm not gonna go in anything else.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And I think one of the best things about that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: movie is you almost never or very rarely get to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: see like the killer himself, and right when you do,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you never see his face.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Never, It's it's like either shut from chin down or
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: if he's full body it's like he's got like some
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: sort of get up on, but no, mostly it's he's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: behind the camera just back and we're smagging women around.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So it's it's if you're not into those types, which
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I really hate the violence against women, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was just so fucked up.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, God, damn, this is gonna haunt me
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: for a while. I went to bed and I was like, yep,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: can't sleep now because I watched it right before bed,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: like you do with any horror movie, right because I'm
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: an idiot. So yeah, that's actually on Amazon too. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: think that they added that recently because I was just
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: scrolling and I saw the Poughkeepsie tapes. I was like, oh,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I've seen that, let's put that on. Never seen it,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I guess, so I gave that. I gave that a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: four just because I thought it was fucking brutally fucked up.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I haven't seen it in a while.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I know, I haven't seen it since I've started doing Letterbox,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: but I would probably put that at like a three
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and a half.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: If you get some time and you have something you
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: want to I would I would rewatch it. If I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: hadn't just seen it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And it's it's also one of those movies that like
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: sit down, turn the lights off. Oh yeah, like focus
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: on it, have some drama meane, just in case, because
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it's pretty shaky. Yeah, and it's and it's shaky with
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: like two thousand and two Sony handicamp.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because you know this was this came out
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, but you know it's.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It's it looks like it came out in ninety six. Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's pretty bad shaky cam. So uh but yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and just the resolution of the video itself poor. Yeah,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it's just very poor. It's like looking at a rice field.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: What am I looking at?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Grainy?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Great, ahead of a bitch. All right, we're gonna end
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: on a high note. When we come back, we will
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: have Nigel Block on the phone and we're gonna get
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: into just a whole shit on a question. So uh,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: stay tuned. All right, So, welcome back to episode thirty
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: seven of Fright Mayors. I've got you know, Corey over
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: here in the house. I'm Austin of course, and we
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: have a special guest on the line, mister Nigel Buck.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Oh hello, now he is the director of many Bad
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Ben movies. I know we've talked about I think we
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: talked about the first six on air when we talked
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: about it, you know, twenty episodes ago. Yeah, and now
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: we've got the director. So this is very, very exciting
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: for us. I'll kick it over to Corey. I'll let
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: you ask him some questions because I know you're probably
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: even more excited than I am. Yeah, I'm fucking still
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: because it is my discovery. Yeah, so you discovered this.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I'll let you take the lead on this one. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: go ahead and just you know, let's let's pop them
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the first question. Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So, one of the things we always do when we're
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: doing interviews with people or bringing new people onto the shows,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: we ask him, you know, what got you into horror?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So if you could tell us a little bit about that, that'd.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Be really awesome.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: This may surprise you, but I'm not the biggest horror
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: fan in the world. I like horror movies, but the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: reason I got into making horror movies was because I
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: had the tools to actually do it. Now, with that
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: being said, last week I happened to you know, I
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: would all excited and giddy like a schoolgirl when I
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: found out that Annabelle was on HBO that night, the
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: last Annabelle film. So I do like her. I'm the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: type of person now turn the lights out, but to
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: watch it and then you know, grab a blanket and
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: cover myself up like the woods that I am. However,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I am actually a big sci fi hand.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: How I got into doing this on the first place
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: was I was producing small market TV commercials for Comcast
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Cable advertising, and like you know how you'll see a
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: commercial for Pizza Hut that's usually played regionally or nationwide.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I'd be the guy that would be doing commercials for
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: like Joe's Pizza down the corner.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So we actually have a thing like that here in Orlando.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: There's a place called applians Direct.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: This guy and his family and they're just these wacky
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Orlando people that do stuff for their scratching dent appliance.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: So I totally know what you mean when you're talking
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: about local stuff.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's awesome.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the TV advertising is incredibly cheap for local
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: businesses to do, because, let's face it, if you've got
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: an appliance store in down there in Florida. People aren't
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: driving from Texas to buy a refrigerator, right, so to
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: put a commercial on during the Super Bowl would be stupid. However,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to put a commercial on during an NBA game and
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: just insert it locally, it's quite affordable, surprisingly so. But anyway,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that's what I was doing. I was doing commercials for them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And I'd also been screenwriting for years. And after screenwriting
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: for about ten years, I finally took a course in
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: it and realized everything I was doing wrong. So then
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I started actually writing screenplays in the proper format. But
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: it's so tough, so tough to break into the industry, well,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons, which I'll get into it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: That's where the conversation goes. But friends would say to me, Hey,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: you have cameras, why don't you make your own films?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: And what they don't understand is just because you own
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a camera doesn't mean you could make Avatar, right, right.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You need millions of dollars plus so much other stuff, right, Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: that's fantastic.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I did know, however, that with the cameras I had,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I could make the found footage film like Paranormal Activity
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: or the Blair Witch project. That's what led me to
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: make Bad Bends.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: So going back real quick, going into your TV commercials
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and stuff, did you have any like schooling or training
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: on that or did that just kind of fall into
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: your lap one day and you went at you learned
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: as you went.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: In high school we had And realize, I'm four hundred
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: years old, So back when I was in high school
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: under a gas lamp, we were. I actually my high
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: school had a video production class and that's actually the
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: only video production class I ever had. And back then
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: the editing was so much tougher to do. You had
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to have like a VCR as an input and to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the one you were recording and cutting between. It was
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: a nightmare. Now how much of this stuff you could
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: do on a computer is just you can even alter
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: frames if you need to. It's just so much easier today. Well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: most things are easier today than they were even five
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: or ten years ago.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: So now I went off on that tangent and I
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: forgot what your question was you saying about about doing
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: TV commercials, Just.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: If you had had prior like teaching for that, or
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: if it just kind of felling you out, But yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you video not really.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty much self taught. I just Adobe products, which
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: are what I use for editing, are so user friendly
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: in in about eighty percent of their functionality that a
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: person with zero experience can get on Adobe and teach
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: themselves in a very short time and be effective with it. Now,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: people that spend a lot of time with it and
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: get into stuff like after effects and all those different
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: products can do unbelievable things. In fact, the industry, the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: entertainment industry is using Adobe and a lot of their
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: editing because of everything it can do. So I'm pretty
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: much self taught right on.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That's pretty and that's pretty awesome for you. Yeah, just
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: doing it yourself and you've made you made like an
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: empire of movies. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That makes your film career that much more impressive to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: me being self taught.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty awesome.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Wow you want to obviously you obviously you guys don't
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: watch a lot of films.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Well, dang, so I do.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I do consider myself a very lucky individual when it
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: came to the following these things have generated.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think part of part of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that success is just your your genuineness in the movies,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: because all of it feels like you're putting yourself in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: there because some found footage, uh, found footage movies. You're like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: all right, you're you can stretch. Yeah, I can tell
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that actors there for a paycheck. You look like you're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in there just having fun with it, and it conveys
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this energy of all right, let's let's get into this movie.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I can relate to it just because I would
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: have pretty much the same reactions as Hey, I'm running
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: around my house screaming what the fuck is? You know, like, yeah,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the fuck's going on?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't move that chair? No fuck you stop moving. Yeah,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's very it's real to me. It's not walking
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: around going hello and screaming it yeah, cat's jumping out
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: of window. It's it's more of like what everybody else
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: would actually be doing in that situation.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I wasn't originally supposed to be in
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: any of it. The original the original plan when I
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: decided to do a found footage film was I was
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: going to get a group of actors I wanted. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: was so used to the teenage girl and her and
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: her boyfriend in a film and her getting chased around,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: you know, the slasher flicks. That I was kind of
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: headed in that direction, and I put an ad on
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: a website called Mandy dot com, which is in I
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: think run out of New York, and I was looking
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: for actors and I had a group of actors respond.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I actually had six actors respond, and it was going
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: to be three couples a girl's home. I was using
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: my home because it was free, and uh girl was
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: going to be home alone, her parents going to be away,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: and her boyfriend comes over and they invite two other
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: couples over and one by one they're picked off by
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: something until she's the only one left. So what happened
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: is as we approached the shooting date. Now mind you,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: these people had never met me, and unlike a lot
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of people that are aspiring to break into the acting business,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: that worked for nothing. I was actually paying these actors
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to be in this, but one by one, as the
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: date approach, they dropped out until all I was left
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: with was the female lead. And so I said, you
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: know what, I'll just I'll take a chance here and
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I'll just shoot this with just her in the house,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and we'll see how it goes, well, that didn't quite
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: work out because the Wednesday before we were supposed to
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: start shooting, which was that Saturday, I'm driving home in
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: a driving rainstorm. It's pouring, and I get a text
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: from her that says, can't be in your film, moving
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to la good luck.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, you hadn't paid her yet, had you?
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: No?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, God, thank god.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I could see if they had, if they had met me,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and then said they didn't want to be in it,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: but all they knew was they were getting paid to
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: be in this film. Wow. So as she dropped out
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: and I said, fuck, give up, and I threw my
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: phone down in the passenger seat of the car, and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: then I decided, you know what, let me try something.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: So I picked up that phone. About thirty seconds to
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: a minute had passed, and I started recording myself on
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the phone, and I just made up this bullshit about here.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I am on my way home from a sheriff's sale
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: where the house I bought on Steelmanville Road, and I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: pulled in the driveway and flipped the camera around, say there,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: it is not bad for a shriff's sale, And that take,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: done in one take, became the opening to the Bay
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: at that movie.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: The literal best origin story of that movie came aft.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: That is fantastic, that's.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Awesome, it's and it's one hundred percent true. And what
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: happens is I then had to think, now, who if
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the guy in this film getting harassed
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and tormented by these demons and malevolent forces? Who the
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: hell wants to watch a bob fat fifty year old
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: guy running around? And a third of the time I'm
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: in my underwork. Who wants to watch this? But I
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: put it together over the course of like a month,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I sometimes and I didn't have a script. I just did.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: The one thing I will tell you I did was
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the end scene where I get drugged down the steps
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and then across the basement floor.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I shot that second. The first was the opening scene,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: me pulling into the driveway. The second thing I shot
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: was that where I had my best friend dragged across.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I said to them, he's a big guy, But I
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: said to them, are you going to be able to
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: drag me? Because I go like, at that time, I
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: was about two fifty and he's like, yeah, man, And
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: it was like dragging a dirty laundry across the floor.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of drugs this guy takes,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: but he was able to pull me like it was nothing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: So then what I did was I had the beginning
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: in the end, and it was a simple matter of
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: getting from point A to POINTD. So over the course
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: of the next three or four weeks, it might have
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: been ten at night, it might have been two in
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: the morning, I would just get ideas and I would say, yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I'll fit in there, and I just shot stuff until
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: it all came together, and I actually thought I was
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: shooting a horror film, which it does have very creepy minutes,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: like in that film with the music box, you know
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: the wind the box where it jumps. That was done
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: in one take also, but I would say, out of
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: all seven movies that are done so far, that was
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: probably the single scariest jump scare of all of them.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: That one little bit, yeah that I remember that one
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: that was that was a really good because I even
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I even kind of like tensed up and jump back
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: a little. I was like, oh shit, wow.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those those were all done, you know, as as
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the ideas came to me, I pieced them together and
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: so I got to the end. So it took me
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: about a month to film and then about two weeks
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to edit for the first Like I said, right, okay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and I thought I was making a horror and there's this,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: So I submitted it to a horror film festival, which
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the name of it slips my mind right now, but
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: it's in LA in October, usually a Halloween. And I
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: have a friend who is well connected in the industry.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: But with that being said, to anybody that's out there
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: that's an aspiring filmmaker or actor or whatever, I'm telling
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: you right now that nobody that's in the industry is
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: going to help you because and if they are helping you,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: it's because you're sleeping with them. And if you sleep
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: with them and they don't help you, then start some
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: me too bullshit to get them in trouble. Okay, that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: what I'm no. But seriously, people don't. People don't offer
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: help because a lot of times, what I think that
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: comes down to is they think that, hey, if you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: start to have success, it could actually affect my success,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and you know it could actually you might get something
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: that I wanted. So people are just a little weird.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: They don't really help each other. But he did give
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: me some advice. And one of the items of advice
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: he gave me was he said that this film festival
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles is the film festival where paranormal activity
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: was sold. And what happens is these movie houses would
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: come there with I mean, these companies, distribution companies would
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: come there with fat check books and they would buy
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: films on the spot. So he suggested I submit to them.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: So the film was done on June the eleventh and
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: June the twelfth, I submitted it to this film festival.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: And this is an interesting story, I think anyway, to
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: anybody that's in the same situation. I am. So I
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: submit this film to the film festival. And how you
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: do it is you pay your fee, which was the
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: nominal fee. I think it might have been seventy bucks
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: seventy five bucks, and you upload the film to a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: private link on YouTube and send them the link and
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: then they review it and then they tell you either
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: they accept your film or they don't accept it. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: all summer long, I'm waiting from June to twelfth until
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: they tell you. They will let you know by September
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the thirtieth whether your film's been selected or not. So
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: September thirtieth comes and at two in the afternoon I
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: get what looks like a candy email that says not interested. Basically.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm a big boy. I can handle the rejection.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: What I can't handle on something they didn't know, probably
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: until I told them, was that YouTube is owned by Google,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: and through Google Analytics, you can see when a film
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: was looked at, when your video was looked at, and
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: for how long it was watched. So on the day
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I submitted it June twelfth, somebody there watched my film
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: for twelve minutes and did watch anymore of it and
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: waited two and a half months or three almost three
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: and a half months to tell me, sorry, your film's
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: been rejected. So I wrote them an email because I'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: a bit of a jerk off, Okay, So I wrote
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: them an email and I said film. You know, I'm
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: a big boy, and I can handle that my film
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: was it for your film festival. What I can handle
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: is the fact that somebody watched it for twelve minutes.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Oh no, we watched the whole thing. I guess they
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: didn't know about Google Analytics at the point, so I
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: knew it was bullshit. Wow, but you know what. This
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: is a film that cost me three hundred dollars to make.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: And when I say three hundred dollars, that's because I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: threw my friends a couple bucks here and there to
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: like help me, like drag me across the floor or
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: do whatever. It would have cost me two hundred and
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: twenty five dollars had I not paid for a harness
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to wear under my shirt that I could hook the
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: chain to that he drugged me across the floor. And
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: if I didn't get blood all over that harness, fake blood,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I would have taken that back to home beat.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be kind of hard to explain it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to return this. So there's a blood on
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: this No, no, no, no, it's fake. It's fake blood.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I swear.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll come out in the wash.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: But anyway, you know, so September thirtieth comes, it's now
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: you know, the next day's October first, and I'm not
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: real upset about it. But I knew there was this
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Amazon Video Direct it's now called Prime Video Direct, where
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: anybody could upload a film too. You hear my rescue
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: dog giving me shit here. Anybody can upload a film
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to Amazon, just like you're uploading a film to YouTube.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: You just I mean, it's very simple to do, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: at that time they were paying us fifteen cents an
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: hour stream, so I thought, you know, maybe I'll get
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: a couple people to watch this. I don't know, is
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: it even interesting? I had friends watch. But you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: that's the our thing. If you're ever trying to get
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: opinions from people, this is what I have to say
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: about opinions. Number one, make sure the person you're asking
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: giving opinion is qualified to giving opinion on something. But
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: because you know they're there are people that will tell
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you anything you do is great just because they care
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: for you as a person, and that's not helping you.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Then on the other side, you got the jerk offs
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: who you could present them perfection and they're going to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: pick it apart just because they're jerk offs, right, And
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: then I want some advice I would give to people
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: that I would have an opportunity once in a while
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: to mentor because they're desperate nobody else will help them,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: they'll I would tell them. You know, sometimes when somebody
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: asks you your opinion on something, your answer could be
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I like it just the way it is. You don't
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Most people assume when you're asking them for their opinion
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: that you're looking for some sort of criticism. So anyway,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: a couple of friends told me the film. Now, dude,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I found it interesting and I liked it, and it
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: was suspenseful and it was funny, and I thought funny. Well,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I did come to learn that people did consider it
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: funny once I started reading comments and views. But here
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: it is now, I have it on Amazon. It went
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: live October fourth, twenty sixteen. I thought a few I'd
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: get maybe one thousand minutes, a couple of people to
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: watch it. Well, as I'm watching the stats every day,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: they're going up and up and up. And by the
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: end of October, of the first month it was up,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: that film was streamed one point two million minutes. Oh what?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And nobody was more Nobody was more surprised than Nigel
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: back when that happened. And I got to tell you,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I actually, by the way, I'm banned from making comments
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: on Amazon anymore. Oh and well, here's what happened. My
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: first review five stars, my second review five stars, five
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: out of five, my third and fourth review five stars.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And then came the fifth review, which was one star
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: and an angry lady, and she writes, this is why
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: people hire crews and professionals and all. They can't do
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: it by themselves. I don't know who liked this film.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: It was horrible blah blah blah. So I like took this.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: It hit me hard. So what I decided was to
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: respond to her. And you could do that well, I
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: used to be able to do it on Amazon. But
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: before I responded to her, I went and looked at
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: purchases she had made previously. I don't know if you
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: know you can do that.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Well. One of the things she had recently purchased was
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: warp cream, so you know, like the Little Bumps works.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I write to her, I'm sorry I disappointed you with
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: the film and good luck with your works. So then
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: so then she replied, I'll have you know I have
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a great dermatologist and my worst are fine. So now
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: what do you think I did it. I'll know you.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I won't make you guess. I went back. I went
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: back and deleted my comments. So my comments. So now
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: what it says is I hated this film. This is
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: why people hire professionals, and I'll have you know I
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: have a great dermatologist and my works are fine. So
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: she looked insane, she looked, and that's the kind of
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: stuff I do that I have fun with. Well, I
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: did that a few too many times, and Amazon banned
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: me forever. If I was to go by a flashlight
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: on Amazon and they send me, you know, they send
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: you those emails, please review your purchase, I can't. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: can't because I violated their community standards.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Wow. I think I think forever is a bit harsh,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: maybe like like a ninety day probationary period.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: But damn well, anyway, they won't even I said what
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I got a warning once and I said what did
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I do? And they wanted They just never responded, And
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: then I guess whatever I did I did again because
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: then I got my second and final notice that I've
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: been banned for life.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Wow. Not many people can say that. That's honestly, I
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: think that's an accomplishment. I'm just gonna send me throw
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that out there. That's pretty uh epic.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Wall. You know, Jeff Bezos happens to be the richest
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: man in the world, and uh, I guess he felt
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: he was paying us too much as independent producers because
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: in the first year I had well, the first actually,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: about eighteen months I was making fifteen cents an hour
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: stream and now it's gone down every year since an
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Effective January first of this year, indie producers could make
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: as little as one penny an hour stream wow, which
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: which would mean if you have a sixty minute film
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: you would need well you could do the match. Obviously
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: you would not. You would make a penny if somebody
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: watches your film for the whole hour. Wow, And if
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: you had one hundred people watch your film, you could
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: earn a dollar.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's pretty messed up.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: No, it's well, you know what it is. You have
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: no way to fight with them to You can't really
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: argue with them, because who are you arguing with. They
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: can just say, okay, you're banned for that, because obviously
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: there's a little bit when they'll ban you for life
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: for responding to a comment like that. Right, there's obviously
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: some spiteful people there that feel very empowered because they're
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: sitting behind the keyboard. So what has happened was after
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: bad Ben, you know, because people found it funny, I said,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: you know what, there's a lot of questions, why are
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: there for anyone that hasn't seen it? It's supposed to
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: look like I'm in a house I just got from
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: a sheriff's sale, and there's security cameras all over the
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: home that I'm walking around and they're following me and
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: stuff's happening, Furnitures moving, weird noises. People seem to love
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: seeing the shit get kicked out of me while I'm
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: laying in bed. That sort of thing happens throughout the film,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: and I decided, you know, a lot of people questions
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: like why were their cameras in the home. So when
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I went to do a prequel that explained who the
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: previous owner was and why all these cameras gotten put
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: in the home, I did Steelmanville Road, and this time
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I was able to assemble a cast and I get
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: these people in here. That explains why the cameras got
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: put up because this couple had inherited the home from
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the wife's biological mother, who she never met. She was
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: adopted as a child, but she was left this house,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: you know, mortgage free, and her and her husband move
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: into it and almost immediately stuff's happening. Well, it turns out,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I mean not to give any spoilers, but it turns
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: out she's a descendant of the Jersey Devil, and the
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Jersey Devil's been the monster we've been saying, like not
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: saying actually throughout the film. So I do this film
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: and it's a much darker film, more serious with a cast,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: and I post it and it does well. But people
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: hated it. They I mean the fans of Bad Ben
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: hated Steelmanville Road the prequel, and I mean, and it's
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: gone on to find its own audience because it's a
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: different kind of film. But I expected it to be
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: well received like they had Ben was and it wasn't.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: And the reason why is, much to my surprise, these
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: people like the ludicrous Tom Riley character.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, so why, I mean, he is very fun
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: fun to watch.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: That character is literally what hooked me into the movie
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: was I was like, all right, this is gonna be
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: your run of the mill, like whatever movie. And then
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the Tom Riley character, you're just like you on a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: personal level. It's it's me in that situation. It's just
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you can put yourself on that character so much.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Well, you know the scene and THEA had Ben where
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I'd pull the chair and I'd say stop it. Yeah,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: people found that hysterical just because it's like this guy
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: should be shitting himself, but he's sitting there saying, because
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: some and visible force to stop it. Well, the way
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: that really happened was I had a friend a few
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: feet away off that you couldn't see, that was pulling
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: the string for the chair to slide over. And it
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: was supposed to happen just once. And when he kept
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: pulling it, every time I pulled it back, I actually
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: said stop it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: And so you're saying, you're saying to stop it to
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: him literally, not like in the sense of like to
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the end, dy stop that you were telling him to
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: stop pulling it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Right, And that stayed in the movie and people loved it.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: So after Steelmanville Road I mean people were because I
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: appear in the last ninety seconds of Steelmanville Roade. I'm
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: it's the prequel to Bad Bend. So it's like I'm
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: coming up to look in the windows of the house.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I'm putting a bid on at a sheriff sale. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: some people were writing and it's kind of tough for
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: me to accept this kind of compliment, but people are saying,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I got real excited at the last nine twenty seconds
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: when you appeared, and I'm taking. People really liked this
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: doof ball Tom Riley, so that's when I decided. And
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: this was seven months after Bad Ben. I did. Bad
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Ben was released in October twenty sixteen. Steelmanville Road came
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: out in May of twenty seventeen. So then I decided, Okay,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: I'll do another one for Halloween. And I said, if
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: they think it's a comedy and they like Tom Riley,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to embrace that. So I had a couple
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: friends that are sketch comedians, which were Matt and Jackie
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: and bad are Ben and the bald fellow David was
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: actually the guy I took screenwriting courses from, and so
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I got the three of them to be in it.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: And they're supposed to be a team of paranormal investigators
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: coming to do a documentary on the house and I'm
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: not dead. They find out that I'm not dead and
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: they bring me back and I only agree to do
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: it just for the money. And then but it's it's funny,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: but there are scary parts. Same bullshit happens in this one,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: and people loved it.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, I really enjoyed I think that one. And
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Mondola Effect and the way and those are my three
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: favorite because I remember watching you know, I watched them
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: one through six like in succession, and I was I really,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: really really enjoyed Bad Urb and that was like, that's
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: one of the best ones.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: I think, Well, the uh as I continue to do these.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: At one point I said, you know, I need to
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: find a different house to do this. But I came
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: to realize that much like in Miamiville Horror, the house
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: has become a celebrity also, right, and that's people like
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: seeing what goes on in that house. So when I
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: did the Man, it's.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Not just the house either. One of the things that
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I think is so good is no matter what movie
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: you're watching, you're always gonna get a snippet of one
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: of the entities.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: In the house.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: In every movie, it's like you get to watch the
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: ghosts grow up with you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: You've got Ben, You've got Bad Ben, You've got uh
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Kresa moon Clown, the Kresit moon Clown, You've got the Witch,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and they all just kind of hang out all in
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the house together, and you get to watch them throughout
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: all of the movies.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I just love the progression of all the films, all
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: the way through. It's just fun to watch, like exactly
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: watch them like watch them grow. It's honestly, it's very uh,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: very satisfying.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, when we get up to the Haunted Highway,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: which is the even though it had parts in the
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: house on Steelmanville Road, a lot of that happened on
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: the road. Tom Riley becomes a like an Uber driver
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: for a fictitious company called Drop You Off.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Like Uber, and he's picking up all these weirdos. Well,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: let me tell you how that happened. Where I live,
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Uber and Lyft are not big. Like if you're in
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Manhattan or Philadelphia or a major city, people are using
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Uber and Lyft all the time. But where I live,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: people have driveways and garages and parking spaces, so they
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: really drive themselves around. It's very unusual. Well, here's what
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I'm getting to. I had never used Uber or Lyft.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: And then back prior to like before I had the
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: idea actually what I was going to make the film about.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I had a friend over the house and he was
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: down for the day and he lived up in Brooklyn,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: and he walks up to me and I'm busy doing stuff,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: you know how people sometimes stop by and they're not invited.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Well that was the case. He shows up, so away,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: your time's come in. I have to take him back
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: to the Atlantic City bus terminal to take a bus
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: up back up to Brooklyn. So he walks up to
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: me prior to leaving, about two hours before we were
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: going to leave, and he hands me this little piece
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: of white chocolate and he says, here, you want to
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: try something. So I love white chocolate. So I popped
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: the thing in my mouth and he says, dude, not
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. Well, it was inedible, and I could,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I like tried marijuana twice in my life in it,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Like I really didn't like it, like smoking it, and
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: I so I and plus being around you know, the
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: smell of it, So I was I could immediately taste
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: the marijuana in it. But I'm talking about the size
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: of your pinky fingernail piece of chocolate he gave me.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, you know, how bad can this be?
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Well flash forward about an hour and I am fucked
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: up and here I am now fucked up out of
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: my mind, and I said I turned him. I said, dude,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: I I can't drive you back to the bus term
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: m so he says, I'll just Uber. So I install
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: the uber At for the first time, I order him
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: a ride. I thought I screwed it up because if
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: it's for somebody else, you're supposed to put their name in,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: but I put mine. So when the guy pulls up,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I walk out to the car. I said, I'm not
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: sure if I fucked this up or not, but I
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: meant this ride for somebody else. This guy right here,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: and I said, this is I said, I was driving
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: them back to terminal, but I ate some shit I
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have and it was inedible, and I am fucked up.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I can't drive. So this guy, kind of nerdy looking
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: guy in his like sixties, looks me. He says, don't worry, Sarah,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: that's ninety five percent of our business. So so he
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: takes my friend that drives from I sept Well that night.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: But coincidentally, that guy who got the ride back to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: the bus terminal, he was the vampire in the Haunted Highway.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, nice So.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: But anyway, that's how the idea for that, that's how
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I said, let him be an uber driver. Well, now,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: although I need to drop you off. So that's how
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I made Haunted Highway.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Now, speaking of the last one you've made, I'm gonna
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: go into one of the questions I have a little
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: bit further down on the list I sent you, Do
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: you have you know how many more ideas? Would you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: say you have to keep it going?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Are you?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Are you still going to be just like cranking movies out?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Like do you still have a bunch of ideas?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: You know? You say you watch or Corey said he
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: watches a lot of the live broadcast, and one of
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: the things I always say is that if you keep watching,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I'll keep making. But I originally thought that Bad Ben three,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Bad or Ben was going to be the end of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: the series. And now that was filmed three, and I've
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: done seven, and we're about to start working on eight,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: and I'm kind of thinking that eight might be the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: logical place to end. But who knows, there could wind
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: up being I could wind up being ninety five years old,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: and we could wind up having Bad Ben sixty four.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'll be there watching, I'll be I'll be on
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: my couch watching that for sure.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Tom Riley just shaking his cane, get out of my house,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: damn it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Well, the uh, you know, Some things are evolving here though,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: because I'm actually with what Amazon has done. I'll give
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: you for instance, this past month, the month of January,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: I streamed more minutes than I streamed in the first
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: six months of Bad ben Wow. Yet yet I may
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: be because I have seven films up now, but I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: made less money in January than I made the first
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: month with one film doing one sixth as many minutes.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: And that's because the Amazon cuts. And you know, I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: do other things also, like I'm a you know, I'm
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: a nude model at art school. No, but seriously, I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: do other things to earn an income. But there were
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: people who basically quit everything they were doing to do
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: this full time for the earnings they are and then
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: they get the rugs yanked out from under them because
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos isn't making enough money at one hundred and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: fifty billion dollars.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Well it's weird too. You think if you have someone
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: like you who's doing millions of minutes per months, you
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: think that they would adjust it to how many minutes
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: are being streamed, as opposed to you know what, fuck everyone,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: you all get the same amount no matter how much
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you're streaming. You think they would try and give.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: You a little bit more handy to see. Initially we were
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: all given the same amount, which is fifteen cents a minute.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: Now and I don't want to go too far into
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: this because they'll be confusing for most people. But now
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: you're evaluated based on something called a customer engagement ranking,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: which they don't really clarify what that means. But because
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: let's face it, if your film is streaming a million
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: minutes and another film is streaming five hundred thousand minutes,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: what's the difference between Why should one be paid more
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: than the other because they're still being streamed, people are
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: still watching them, that it should, in my opinion, be
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: a flat rate. But like now, people can make anywhere
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: from one penny to twelve cents an hour stream And
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: here's the problem. When I initially put up my film,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: it was in the early stages of this program, so
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: they didn't have a lot. Since then, they've gotten a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: couple hundred thousand different things uploaded from people and want to,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: you know, we're competing. What happened with Studios went in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: and they had their library of films from over decades
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: and they start saying, you know, Netflix won't buy this
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: because it's been scene so much, she said. But Amazon,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: we can upload it. And they could take a film
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: that was made twenty years ago, which might have had
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: a two million dollar advertising budget and people loved it
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And they take a movie produced like that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: and instead of you know, trying to get Netflix to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: buy it or Amazon to buy it, what they did
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: was they start uploading it through this program and they'd
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: make money because of its popularity. Netflix doesn't pay you
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: per minute stream. Netflix will buy a film pay a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: flat rate for it, and they either considered a success
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: or failure based on how much it's streamed. So these
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: companies that couldn't get Netflix to buy their old movies
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: just start uploading them to Amazon. So I could be
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: with a film I might make for a couple hundred bucks,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: I could be competing against a studio produced film that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: costs millions to make, and even though it might be dated,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: it still has the benefit of the fan base it had.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: So anyway just became unfair for the indie producers. And
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: that's why we're making like I averaged. Like I said,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the scale could be one to twelve cents an hour.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I averaged three and a half cents an hour last month,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: and it's just ridiculous. Yeah, and there's no there's nobody.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: You can't you know, you can't fight them because they'll
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: just be spiteful and cut you off. If Jeff Bezos
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: happens to tune into your podcast, I would like to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: say to him to go fuck yourself, you rich prick,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: and ban me, because you know, what the hell am
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: I going to make? So instead of making three cents
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: an hour now, I'll make nothing. So what I decided
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: to do was create my own Roku channel. And so
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: beginning sometime next month, there's going to be a bad
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Ben Roku channel that will have all my films on
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: it and some other different entertaining things from all all
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: over the spectrum. But people will be able to watch them,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: and that's where they had been eight The one we're
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: going to be working on for a Memorial Day is
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: going to premiere on there, and anybody that if they
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: don't have a Roku device, that can watch it on
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: their computer or their phone. But Roku devices are cheap
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: and there's forty million people own them now, and I'll
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: even if if somebody, I'll be able to get people
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Roku devices so they can watch it, but they're really good.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got I've got actually got a couple. Now,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: is this something that is a channel that's going to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: be like you can just click on it for free
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: and go watch all these or do you have to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: you know, pay like a flat fee or anything.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Well, the plan it's going to have a seven day
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: free trial and then four dollars a month. Now that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: was plan one, Okay, Plan two might be because you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: can attach these two advertiser's similar to like, if you're
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: familiar with how you can become a you can sign
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: up for ads on YouTube and insert them on your
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: web pages and all right, but the price they pay,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: they pay ten cents per thousand impressions, and that can
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: actually become quite lucrative. You can wind up with, you know,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: earning a couple thousand dollars a month just by letting
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: people watch your stuff for free with commercials inserted it
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: at the beginning. Oh wow route, So that's something I'm exploring.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: So I haven't quite worked that out yet. And because
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I can't charge just to have the films up there,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: but the other stuff we're going to be having on
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: a regular basis, like for instance, you're going to laugh.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Pro wrestling is going to be on the channel that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: we're actually producing. What will happened is we'll have that
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: like Thursday nights, and we're going to have myself and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: my roommate who was Lucinda at the end on it highway.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: We're going to do reviews of streaming channels like Netflix
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: and Hulu and different things that are out there now
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: and programs that we watch on there and that we
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: enjoy or don't. We're not going to drag it out,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: and it's going to be funny how we talked about,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: We're going to have that and sketch comedians and all
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: kinds of different stuff.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Now you said this is planning to launch, you said
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: next month ish.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, if you went on Toko right now, you
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: can download bad Ben TV oh ok, and you can
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: see all seven of the movies, and you could see
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: the first wrestling match we produced.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: But after they finished the probably like maybe by the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: time most people are listening to my naisy voice here,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: it might I might have it the pricing thing fixed,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: but again, it's a seven day free trial and it's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: it's a buck a week, is what it turns out
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: to be and there's not and there's going to be
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: something new every week on the channel.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: No, that's pretty and you said you have the new
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: movie coming out on that channel. Now the I saw
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: you did a Christmas like one. Is that? Is that
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: something you just did kind of on the side or
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: is that part of the whole bad Ben saga? Because
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I could have sworn I saw on the page a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Christmas movie for like Patreon or something I could I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: could have sworn.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Well, we did a thirty minute Christmas special that actually
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: we're gonna release to the man in Christmas twenty twenty.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sweet, okay, because I saw that and I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: was like, wait, did I miss something? Was I not
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: part of the Christmas episode? Because I've got to see that,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: So okay, it'll come out come out this year. Okay.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: No, we produced it and we allowed people that contributed
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: to the GoFundMe campaign and that our patrons they were
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: able to watch it. We sent on the link to watch,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: and I got to tell you, the fans of this
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: have been extremely supportive because I always have my hand
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: out for something, and like we have a bunch of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: patrons each month that pay on a recurring basis, and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: some might pay a dollar, some pay crazier. Man, it's
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: like fifty dollars a month. And I explained to them
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: when they sign up, I say, you know, this is
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: a monthly fae. You might want to lower that. Some
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: of them are I just got more money than they
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: know what the hell to do with. So when I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: get that opinion, I'm like, say, well, why not make
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: it five hundred a month.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Just give me all the money.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Come on, just sign your bank account over to me.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I'll just take out as much as I want per
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: month and that'll help fund well.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: You know. One of the other ways I've been actually
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: making money from some people is by inserting them into
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: the film. And how they get inserted into the film
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: is like, for instance, their name gets mentioned, or there's
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: in some of the animated series we're going to be doing.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: They're going to have a cartoon image of themselves in
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: the film. Like if you remember in the way in
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: where I answered the phone, I'm talking to missus May
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Emily May. Yeah, that is a fan of the films
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: that paid to have her name in the film.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So going into people being in the film, who
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: is the little ghost boy that you see in like
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: the Doorways that does the uh they get out screech Elijah.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: His name is Alex, Alex Pound. He's an actor. How
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I found them was a friend of mine who was
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: actually the guy that drugged me across the floor and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: in bad Ben and he actually had a cameo and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Badder Ben. He was actually batter Ben and Ben you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: saw him, Yeah, but his friends were actors up in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: this theater in Long Beach Island, New Jersey, and they
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: got me. They're the group that played Matt and what
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: the hell's were their names in it? I forget, I'm sorry,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: but they were the couple in Bad Bed. Yeah, and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: they were also Alex was a friend of theirs and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Jean who was in that Jean Sutton who played Mona,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: she was a friend of theirs and they were all
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: in that film. And oh so you were asking about Alex. Yeah,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: he was one of their friends. He was sixteen at
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: that time.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, he seemed a lot younger than that. He
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: looked he looked really small.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, I actually put twenty pounds on him and
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: made him look nineteen. No, no, but he was good.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: A lot of people have asked about him, and actually
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Bad Ben eight is going to have some it's going
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: to have the return of some characters and at this point,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: at this point, not him necessarily, but the couple will
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: be involved.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, so speaking, since you're speaking about going forward, I'm
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: going to actually take it back and ask you, like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: what made you initially want to do, like, you know,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: making a movie, Like what what made you want to
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: just be like, you know what, fuck it, I'm going
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: to make a movie. I'm going to put it up
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: and see if people like it. So like what made
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: you like? What made you pursue like completing shooting and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: you know, making a film.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the whole reason when you're trying to break into
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: screenwriting you're trying to do that is because number one,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: you got a story to tell, but no, number two,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: you want to entertain. And I like to entertain people
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: because if you can entertain people, it's like one of,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, one of the greatest things you can
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: do is entertain make people laugh, make people cry, even
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But that's what I want to do. I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: want to have films made. And because it's such a
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: tough business to break into, that's why I start that
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: got me into filmmaking in the first place, and I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: knew I didn't possess the equipment to go out and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: shoot when Harry met Sally or something like that. But
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I did have the equipment to shoot a found footage film,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: and that's why I picked that. And horror audiences tend
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: to be a little more forgiving that, like if I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: went to do something serious or dramatic. My favorite story
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: that I've written, if you want to hear a tidbit.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Of it, Yeah for sure, Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Well I told you I like science fiction, right, So
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: I wrote this story called The Genesis Experiment a screenplay,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: and basically the Genesis Experiment is it's that there's this
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: priest and he's called to the house of a family
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: whose son was in the military, and he just pairs
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: he died in Iraq two days before he was supposed
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: to come home. So when the priest pulls up to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: the house to you know, comfort the family, the father's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: in the driveway blowing leaves and he sees the priest
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: and says, hey, before you go in the house, I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: got something to show you. And he takes them to
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: the shed and he hands them a box and a
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: pair of rubber gloves, and he says, put these gloves on,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: so the priest puts them on. He reaches in the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: box and pulls out a statue of Christ on the cross,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: and the statue is bleeding from the palms and the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: ankles and the wound in the side, and the father says,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: wipe it off, and the priest does, and then the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: blood droplets form again, and the priest is like, what
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: the fuck is this? Although he's a priest so he
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: probably didn't say that, but he's like, what is this?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: And the father's like, have you ever seen anything like that?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: And he said no, he says, but I could take
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: it and have it looked at it. And priest said, yeah,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: my wife doesn't know that came. Our son mailed that
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: home to us, you know, a week before he left Iraq.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: He found it in a bombed out church and he
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: knew he wouldn't be able to bring it his luggage,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: so he shipped it home. And I don't know if
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: that has something to do with why he's dead or whatever.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: So the priest takes it and he takes the sample
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: the blood, and as it turns out, the priest has
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: an identical twin brother who happens to be an atheist,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: and the brother is also a geneticist and he works
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: for a biological research firm. So the priest sends his
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: brother a sample of this blood and a vial, and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: he says, can you test this blood for me? He says,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: where'd you get it? He says, I promise, I'll tell you,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: but I can't tell you yet. Just run test on,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: tell me what you can. So brother calls him back
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: not long after he says, dude, where did you get
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: this blood? He says, I can't tell you, but what
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: did you find out? And he says, well, it's the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: rarest specimen of blood I've ever seen, the purest specimen.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: He says. It has no signs of modern day antibodies
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: or pollutants. So either this blood came from a person
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: from another planet or they've been living in a cave
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: for two thousand years. Where'd you get it? And it
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a blood type? So well, I'll hop forward.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: The priest says, film listen, I need you to destroy
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: what remains of that specimen and I'll tell you soon
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: where it came from. So the brothers like, dude, this
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: could I could use this to save thousands the lives.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: And he says, you have to get rid of it, Michael.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: So Michael says he will. So flash forward. The priest reports,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: you know, he's thinking they have a miracle here, or
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: statue Christ is bleeding? Is it Christ's blood? Because it's
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: coming out of a statue of Christ. So he reports
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: it to his you know, bishop and all those people.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: They think it probably is a miracle. And anyway, the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: statue gets stolen. The priest is walking through his parish
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: and you know how if you're Catholic, there's confessionals. Somebody
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: enters one side of the confessional and he walks up
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: and gets to the other side, and he says, can
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: I help you? Or he says how might I help you?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Or whatever. The priest says, in there here one a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: snickers bar, little boy, I don't know what to say.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: But anyway, there's a guttural voice says, your brother has
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: defied you or betrayed you. So, as it turns out,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: he contacts his brother and says, did you get rid
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: of that specimen of blood? And he says, yeah, Michael,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: I can tell you're lying. What did you do with it? Well,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: he used it in an experiment called the Genesis experiment,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: which was dunt dun dun human cloning. So the brother
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: created a clone from the specimen of blood, and a
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: child was born. And the question is was this child
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: a clone of Christ or was it something else? And anyway,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: the kid winds up getting kidnapped taken back to the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Middle East. And do you want to know the spoiler finish?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: No, I kind of are you planning on at some
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: point making this because if you are, if this is
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: going to be something that comes to fruition, I want
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: to be I kind of want to be blown away, honestly.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: All right, well, then we'll just tell you that they
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: get to the very end where they're trying because biblically speaking,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: and this isn't a religious story, it's no more of
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: a religious story than like the Exorcists. Okay, So what
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: the story gets to though, on the end is they
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: know that if this is the second Coming of Christ,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: and if the anti Christ exists and is able to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: find and kill the child, it could basically theoretically slam
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: the doors of heaven shut because the Bible makes mention
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: of a second coming, but not a third coming. So
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: basically that's what's at stake here, and they're thinking they've
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: got to protect this child till he's old enough to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: do battle with the Anti Christ.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Now when did you write this?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: How long? How long have you been sitting on this?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: This I wrote believe it or not, in two thousand
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: and five.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Oh holy shit.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, but trying to sell these screenplays is a bitch.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: And so have you thought about selling it to like
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: some graphic artists? And because I would read that as
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: a comic book, yeah, honestly.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Well, well you want to know what's sitting over here
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: on myself the first edition of The Genesis Experiment comic book.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: What Actually, I actually think it's available on Amazon for
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: a digital download.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Right now. I've got to know.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, because this friend I told you about that, well,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: actually a different friend who's the producer some relatively well
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: some of the biggest franchises in Hollywood history. He told me,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: to make something a graphic novel is very easy if
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: it gets popular, to move it on to getting produced
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: as a film. Like The Walking Dead was a graphic novel, right,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: would be made into that series, and The Watchman and
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: that sort of thing.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: It's right there. You can buy it for one ninety dude,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: I'll buy that this afternoon and check that out. That's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: freaking awesome. I didn't know you had other stuff like that.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: That's I didn't know there was other things besides besides
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: just bad ben Like, wow, I.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Am a multi What is wrong with you people? Did
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: you do your research before calling I? I am a
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: multi faceted individual.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Well, like I said, well, we watched the you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: we watched the live stream, we watched you talk, We've
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: watched the movies. I just I didn't think to search
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: anything else, Nigel Bach. I just thought you. I just
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: thought you did movies.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Because for the first like week and a half that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: we were talking about you, we thought we thought your
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: name was actually Tom Riley.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, when we first started watching the movies. Yeah,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: and then we found out no, this is a film
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: by Nigel Back and yeah, so such, you know, so
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: on and so forth. But yeah, I didn't know you
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: had other things. So yeah, I guess that's shame on me.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I should have I should have done more research, because uh,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: that's pretty awesome and I'm absolutely gonna go go and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: check that out.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: I mean two bucks, Yeah, graphic novelge. Yeah, for sure,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: just do it.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: I I've actually had people show up at my house
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: and says Tom Riley home.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Now ahead on the subject of Tom Riley, is he
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: based off anybody? Or is that just you being you?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Is it like, oh, you know, I had this bumbly
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: teacher when I was so older.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: However, all right, well, I hope the Riley family doesn't
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: hear doesn't hear this online? But I was this cracks
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: me up. I was at the Atlantic City Cemetery putting
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: flowers on my mother's grave when I was trying to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: come up with a name for my character of in
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: the movie, and one of the tombstones I walked past
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: was a guid named Thomas Riley. So I said, yeah,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: what the hell, you know what? Thank god I didn't,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Thank god I didn't walk by tombstone that had some
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: offensive name or something like Fatteus Fatteus McGillicutty or something.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: But it was it was Thomas Riley. So he became
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: he became me in the films.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: So it seems that while you do have a lot
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: of just happenstance with these movies, what were some of
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: the things that like didn't go right for you when
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you started. When you were starting out.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Now, do you face any like roadblocks or anything that
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: kept you from moving on?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: Well, the first and obvious roadblock was all the act
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: dropping out in the first film, right okay? And in
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Bad or See one of the things. Everybody gets paid
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: to be in my films, but they don't get paid
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: a lot. They might make fifty or one hundred bucks
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: a night that we film, but still that's more than
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: they make in anything else they do when they're doing
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: like acting or something. And in the making of Bad
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: or Ben, if you remember, there comes a part where
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: I come out of the shower and nobody's around and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: for like the for like fifteen minutes, I'm walking around
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: looking for them, and it's similar to Bad Ben. And
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: then I find them and we go forward with the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: film and wrap it up. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Well,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: that's because the actors that were involved in that film
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: weren't making themselves available enough for me. So I said,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: I got to get this film done. So I cut
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: out twelve pages that involved them and made it all
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: about my favorite person, who's.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Myself, good old Tom Riley.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: But there was really No, there was actually a roadblock
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: in one of the films, but I kind of if
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: you don't mind, I'm going to be a little vague
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: because I don't want to call the person out specifically.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: I see at my age, I make if somebody's an asshole,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: I get rid of them because I don't you know,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: I don't like dealing with assholes.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: It's time for that, you know, no one has don't
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: have time for it.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: So somebody was basically an asshole, and I contemplated cutting
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: them out of the entire film and all, but I
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: wound up keeping them just in a much reduced role,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: and so that has been a bit of a stumbling block.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: But there's been no like licensing issues or no. Everybody,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: for the most part I worked with was a pleasure
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: to work with. So I've been lucky. Things have gone
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: very smooth. And you know the reason for that is
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: because most of the time I've been operating on a
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: set I totally control, which.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Is my own house, right right, And.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Some people that go out there and have to get
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: permission to use locations and stuff like that, it becomes
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: a bit more difficult.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: since you you have it pretty much self contained to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: your property in your house, it probably is a lot easier.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: You don't run into too many things. I remember you
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: saying it took you about, you know, like a few
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: weeks or a few months to edit and shoot the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: first movie. Did Now your last movie, Hunted Highway? About
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: how long did that take to shoot and edit? Because
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I know you had much, you know, much bigger cast
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: than that. So what was the time difference on shooting
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: and editing your first movie as opposed to your most
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: recent movie?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Well, Bad Ben took about three weeks to a month
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: to film, in about two weeks to edit. The Haunted
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Highway took probably took the longest of all them, which
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: was about two months to film, and then it took
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: about another two to three weeks to edit when it
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: was gone. I tend to edit as I go, So
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: like whatever I would shoot tonight, I would normally edit tomorrow.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Because I kind of normally shoot with continuity. I start
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: at the beginning. I might shoot the ending as the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: goal to get to like they did in the first one,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: but I kind of follow the path from beginning to end,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: so it keeps things logical. In my mind because I'm
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: not that smart.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: So out of all of these, which one did you
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: have most fun making?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I, you know, every time somebody, I feel like
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: it's kind of asked, somebody asking me who's my favorite kid?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: If I had children, and you know, a parent supposed
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: to say like, oh, I love all my children to say,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: which is bullshit because I know for a fact my
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: parents liked me more than my sisters.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Oh I know, I'm the same way my parents. My
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: parents have favorites between me and my sisters, So I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: know that feeling.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: But I kind of liked them all for different reasons.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: But I will say, and this might be the case
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: with all of them, the last thing I did was
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: my favorite. But the Haunted Highway was a lot of
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: fun to shoot because the addition of like Mitch's head
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: winding up in a bag in my car, and if
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: you were if you saw that scene, you know what
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was great.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Those court me and Mitch getting involved. They were film
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: school graduates from the Art Institute in Philadelphia, and they
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: contacted me to tell me they had just graduated. All
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: because they worked one day as a production assistant on
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: bed or Bed like two years earlier, a year and
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: a half earlier. So I said, how would you guys
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: like to be in a film? And they said yes,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: I got them involved in that. Working with them, they
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: were first of all an absolute pleasure to work with.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: And then not only that, they had gotten me for
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: the Christmas Special, two other additional friends of theirs that
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: were characters that were in that. So the Harnted Highway,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: for various reasons, was probably the most fun for me
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: to work on.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, and you mentioned having people work on set with you?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: What is what's what's the like general crew of one
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: of your films, because we all know that, like you
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: got a big Hollywood production, it's hundreds and hundreds of people.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously your first one was you the your newest one,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: there's a handful of people. What's what's your crew looking like?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Well, for bad Ben eight, it'll probably involve about five people.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: But like Bad Ben one, I was the only one
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: in Steelmanville Road had a cast, but I was cameraman,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: an editor. Okay, bad or Ben I had those our
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: three characters, and it gets it's more complicated when you
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: add more people because there's more personalities and more people
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: whose schedules you have to align to come together to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: get them filmed. But in the Haunted Highway, it was
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: it was tough because there were some of those characters
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: were from out of town, but friends I had, But
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: it was also a lot more fun. But the average
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: crew I usually take and eye limited to where I'm
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: the cameraman and the editor, so I'm not depending on people.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Because I could go off on a tangent here about
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: just life in general. Anytime you could do anything without
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: having to rely on anybody but yourself. I encourage you
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: to do it because people will fuck you every chance
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: they get.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Now, speaking on that, do you prefer the like the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: filming side and filming slash acting or do you prefer
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: the editing side? You know, I don't know. I think
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I think I would prefer I don't know, but.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: And see I would be I would much rather be
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: behind the camera or sitting behind the board editing the
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: sound right.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: So for you, you know what, since you do both,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: you know what side do you prefer more?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: I like working the camera and editing better because I
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: don't really it's kind of tough for me to accept
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: the praise I've gotten for being in front of the camera.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: I mean people like it. Probably for that reason is
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: why people like it, because this is not you know,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely not Brad Pitt out there, but they just
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: they like Tom Riley because he's your every man and
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: they accept that. So that is flattering. But I really
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: enjoy the planning and what goes in behind. In fact,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: there was one niche the guy who got head cut
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: off and on it highway. He paid me probably one
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: of the biggest compliments I ever got paid that scene
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: we did with his head in the bag and his
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: girlfriend cutting off his head. Yeah, they didn't know we
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: were going to do that. When they showed up. I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: told the idea and they liked it, and we did it,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: and I told him that, you know, I was eating
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: dinner and I thought that would be cool, and he said,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: you were eating dinner tonight and thought that would be cool,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: and I said, yeah, So I just like pulled that
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: idea out of my ass and then we filmed it
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: and made it happen. And he said, that's incredible that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: three hours ago you came up with this idea and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: now to the film. It turned out to be one
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: of the best scenes in that movie.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that movie is, uh, it's really interesting. I like
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: how you've evolved and you kind of made like a
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: relevant you know, like everyone uses those pick up you know,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: uber lyft, So I really liked you kind of incorporated
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: that into a film and you really you knocked that
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: one out of the park.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: I really, I really enjoyed that, even even most of
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the movies are still grounded in like oh hey, like
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: there's a cell phone, Oh hey, home cameras, like all
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: of this stuff is it's all new and relative, and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: it's stuff that everybody can attach to, right, Yeah for sure.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Well, Well, the security cameras were go on camera stands.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: Oh really, And then after the first one, I you know,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: I would have to put those stands back in the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: exact same place and angle the same camera the same way,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: and it might take five or ten minutes to line
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: that up. And I only had one go pro for
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: the first film.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: We thought you just had some really nice security.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those legitimately looked like you set up like twelve
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: thirteen cameras in your house.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I actually made the GoPro footage looked a little
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: rougher than it actually would, so that it was more
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: believable security cameras. But I came up with an invention
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: for the third film, which it got these little stick
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: on shelves that you just stick on the wall and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: you can you know those three M things where you
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: pull the tape and you take it off. Yeah, And
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: I took foam that I got at like Michael's craft store,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: and I cut out a little shape of the go
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: pro glued to the shelf and put it in the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: place on the wall where the camera's supposed to be.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: So now I could just take my go Pro, hit
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: the record button and stick it up there in that
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: little form on the shelf, and it was pointing exactly
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: where I wanted to. So I went from having to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: spend five to ten minutes to align the camera perfectly
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: to spending about five seconds.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: That's pretty awesome.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: Do you have any more? Well, go ahead, go ahead, No, no.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, no.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: I was just saying yeah, every now and then I
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: come up with a good idea.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: So do those little shelving units have like permanent fixtures
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: in the house, like just in case you get an
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: idea where you want to set it up and be like,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: all right, bad Ben number eight, let's go.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Well, those shelves are still up, but that's awesome. But
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: they matched the wall, so you can't really steal them.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're looking for them, I.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: Guess you Okay.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: So there was some forward planning of hey, I don't
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: want to have to put these up and take these
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: down all the time to make a match everything else.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: Well, you can't actually slide them off, and the little
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: things they affixed to you can't really see. But I
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: just leave. I mean, who the hell is coming over here?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I'll put a little you know, figuring
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: up there on them, one of my little Star Wars
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: figures or my Avenger of figures.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: So I guess we're.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: We're pretty much done with our list. But since you
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: were talking about liking the filming and editing and directing
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: side of things, do you have like a favorite filmmaker
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: or a favorite film that you go, you know what,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I want to hit this level.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Or like yeah, like that. Has any of them you know,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: influenced you into making the movies you made?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I break the rules because what I
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: got so tired of trying to sell my stuff to
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Hollywood and being rejected, and it might just be because
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: my stuff is crap, they might not like it, like
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: my screenplays off that I wound up doing my own thing,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: So I know how I make things happen. I don't
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: know how a lot of people make their stuff happen.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: But there are like certain films that have been made
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: and in some cases, like I might not even know
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: who the filmmaker is. But like I told you, I'm
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: a sci fi fan. Stuff with when I remember and
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: you guys might have been born when this was made,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But Jurassic Park. When I first saw that,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: I sat there in the theater and I was like,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: how the fuck that is a dinosaur? Yeah, how did
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: that happen?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almost thirty, so I was. I was definitely
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: born when this movie came out. And yeah, I remember
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid watching Jurassic Park and just
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: like wow that And even to even today, till today,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: that movie still holds up and I'm still like, wow,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: that is some very good cg that they've done. So yeah,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: I can agree with that for sure.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Well, when you see this stuff that's gages old. The
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: emotion capture King Kong, for instance, made back in the thirties,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: that was look cool. It was all jagged. But today
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: when you see King Kong made, there's a giant ape
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: on television or in the movie screen, right, that's that's
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: not CG. And there's bad CG. I too in a
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: lot of things, But that's a Spielberg is a genius.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: But I'm far from the only person that thinks that.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: I got to tell you that in recent times, like
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Jordan Peel, I was used to him from Key and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: Peel being a comedian and that ridiculousness. But when he
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: made that, that most recent film he made, Yeah, I
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: was just like that that was made by Jordan from
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Key and Peel, and my roommates she was like, yeah,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: that's unbelievable to me. So yeah, I admire him as
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: a director. Also, Spielberg, the stuff he's on is just incredible.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: I had I had admired for quite a while George
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: Lucas for even though Star Star Wars is, in my opinion,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: is one of those film series that is more visually
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: appealing than it is the story because some of the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: acting is just bad.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Who was awful in the in the prequel?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: So what did I say, Christian Haydens.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: I knew well, you know the girl a Porter that
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: was in that right. She actually talked about how they
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: were instructed to kind of be that monotone type voice
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: and how it hurt her feeling so good that people
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: thought she was such a bad actor afterwards. Wow, and
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: that she went on to do Black Swan that was
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: her right.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did. That was a that's a crazy movie.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: She went on to win the Academy Awards, So I
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: think she got over the broken heart of people in
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: front of her. But you know, George Lucas until I've
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: seen him in some interviews and he's a bit of
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: a weird dude.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Actually, in The Haunted Highway, the voice of the car
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: was this guy Josh Thompson, who did Morgan Freeman's voice,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: And that was one of the most unique experiences I've
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: had in the years I've been doing these films. He
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: followed me on Twitter, and Josh was on when there
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: was The Late Show, The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: Josh was the voice of Jeff, the robot skeleton sidekick. Yeah,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: and he also does voices for Family Guy and there's
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: other animated series and he does this Morgan Freeman. That's
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: just out of this world.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Well it's funny because, like I was watching the movie
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: and I legitimately thought, you somehow got Morgan Freeman to
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: narrate some shit and knows like, wow, that's pretty awesome.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: But it was some dude, that dude that sounded pretty
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: spot onto me.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Well he sounded he sounded so good. I had to
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: say to him. I said, Josh, I'm not gonna get
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: sued by Morgan Freeman. And he said, no, it's I mean,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: obviously he's been through this many times. It's a parody account, right,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: it's so it's it fits into something of law. But Josh,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: right now, anybody, his name is Josh Robert Thompson, Josh R. Thompson.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: He's got YouTube videos and on his Twitter, and I
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: encourage anybody that can follow him on Twitter because he
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: right now has these videos where he's look is acting
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: like and talking like George Lucas and there it's it's
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: side splitting humor. And I was honored to have him
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: want to be involved in my film.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so jobber, Wow, Josh Robert Thompson, check out
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. I'm actually going to go check that out
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: because Yeah, he did a very good impersonation of Morgan Freeman.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Now wrapping up here, is there anything else you want
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: to say about about your movies? Any plugs you want
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: to throw out, Bad Bend TV. I mean to go
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: ahead and say whatever you want, and then we'll just
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: go ahead and wrap this up.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: Well, the one thing I will say is to people
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: who are trying to break into the industry and all,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: there's going to come a time you never have to
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: resort to kissing ash and there is no shortcuts. But
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: there comes a time when there's two things. Number One,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: you might not be cut out for a period because
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: if people keep giving it same feedback about what you're doing,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: then maybe you need to listen to some people and
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: alter the way you do things. Now, I'm going to
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: totally contradict myself and say, sometimes those people don't know shit,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: and you got to find a way to do it
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: your own way. And I did that. I just got
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: tired of trying to break through the industry into the industry,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to kiss anybody's there. Even though Amazon
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: has cut the pay down to a measly one cent
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: per hour, it is in many cases it is still
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: the best way that anybody can get anything they make
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: on a major streaming service and to get noticed. And
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: these people that want to be filmmakers. Constantly I find
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: that people come up with excuses for why they can't.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: Try coming up with reasons why you can anybody that
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: owns an iPhone today or a Galaxy. The cameras are
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: so freaking good in those things. You could make a
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: film with them, and as long as the story's good,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: you can get away with not having a million dollar
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: camera of the film you're shooting. So I've had people
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: contact me with brilliant ideas and I said, why aren't
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: you making that a movie? So just find your niche,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: find your you know what you want to do, and
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: just keep making stuff, keep making it, keep putting it
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  Speaker 3: together and put it on Amazon, even put it on YouTube,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: find different places. Now there's companies out there like film Hub,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: for instance, where you could take They don't charge you
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  Speaker 3: anything to put your films on any of the streaming channels,
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  Speaker 3: and you get to keep eighty percent of whatever they
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: make when they stream. So people just don't give up.
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  Speaker 3: Make your shit. Stop coming up with excuses for why
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  Speaker 3: you're not doing stuff. Get it done. Put it out there.
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  Speaker 3: Do what I did.
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  Speaker 2: You heard it from from Nigel himself. Do your shit
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  Speaker 2: and get it out there. Nigel, I want to just
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being on the show. We
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: really appreciate you calling in. I felt like this was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. So yeah, next week, guys, go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and tune in. We'll be back with something. I'm
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: not going to spoil anything, but till then, stay tuned
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  Speaker 2: and stay spooky
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  Speaker 1: Behind