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September 21, 2026 (Hour 1) · Zone 1150 - Chip Howard's SportsTalk

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  Speaker 7: Welcome in.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us on a Monday. It's
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  Speaker 1: Overreaction Monday here on the show. And to that end,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the Writer's Roundtable coming your way at 5 o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up in a few minutes, we're going to visit
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  Speaker 1: with author Frank Abrams. His book is called The Slander
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  Speaker 1: of Billy the Kid. and the Abrams 10 types. Phone
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  Speaker 1: the neighbors, wake the kids for this one. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to hear from Marcel Reed. We're going to hear from
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss coach Pete Golding, who's a hero in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Mississippi today. And as I mentioned, Writers' Roundtable
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  Speaker 1: in the second hour. There's a lot of stuff happening
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  Speaker 1: around college football today. Mike Elko announcing today what we
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  Speaker 1: suspected on Saturday. Terry Bussey suffered a season-ending injury at
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  Speaker 1: the game on Saturday. Elko also said that his defense
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  Speaker 1: was loose. Probably one of the worst defensive performances I've
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  Speaker 1: had in my tenure. It wasn't because we weren't trying.
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  Speaker 1: It was because we weren't able to hit it. So
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  Speaker 1: we have to go back to the drawing board. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever felt great during practices
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  Speaker 1: leading up to that game. This Saturday in the college
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  Speaker 1: football world, Number one, Texas versus number 14, Tennessee. Number four,
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss versus number 21, Florida. Number 17, Iowa versus
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  Speaker 1: number 18, Michigan. Number 23, A & M at number 10, LSU.
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  Speaker 1: Number 21, Oregon at number 12, USC. And number 19,
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  Speaker 1: Missouri at number 24, Mississippi State. remember how many times
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  Speaker 1: I called SEC games in that list.
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  Speaker 7: The Aggies, of course, already with a loss in SEC play.
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  Speaker 7: Texas is a three-and-a-half point favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Florida is minus three against Ole Miss, a little surprising.
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  Speaker 1: LSU opened at minus nine-and-a-half against A & M.
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  Speaker 7: Georgia minus 14 over Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: Kickoff times for the following week have been announced, and
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  Speaker 1: the Aggies will have a night game against the Piggy
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  Speaker 1: people at 6 o'clock, either ESPN or the Deuce.
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  Speaker 7: Meanwhile, at 11 or 1145, Vanderbilt, Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: At 11 or 11.45, Alabama, Mississippi State. The 2.30 game
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  Speaker 1: on ABC is Auburn and Tennessee. On the SEC Network, Florida, Missouri, Kentucky,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina. At 3.15 on the SEC Network. And McNeese
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  Speaker 1: and LSU at 6.45.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, McNeese and LSU. are in prime time.
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  Speaker 1: In the AP College football poll, Texas is number one,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia two, Notre Dame three, Ole Miss four, Indiana five.
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  Speaker 1: Miami undervalued at six, Ohio State seven, Alabama eight, BYU nine,
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  Speaker 1: LSU drops to number 10. Texas Tech up two spots
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  Speaker 1: to 11 after their win against Houston.
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  Speaker 7: Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee is 14. Louisville is up seven spots to number
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  Speaker 1: 16 after their win against SMU. The Ponies fall to 22.
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  Speaker 1: The Aggies fall to 23. Mississippi State in the poll
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  Speaker 1: at 24. Houston remains in the poll but drops three
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  Speaker 1: spots from 22 to 25. Florida at 21, Missouri at 19.
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  Speaker 1: There are 10 SEC schools in the top 25 right now.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Golding at Ole Miss was questioned, including by me.
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  Speaker 1: He has now faced five top 25 teams in his
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  Speaker 1: first six games as head coach at Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 7: He is four and one in those games.
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  Speaker 1: He is two and one Against top 10 teams, he's
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  Speaker 1: doing okay. The Rangers and Astros enter the final week
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  Speaker 1: of the regular MLB season, one game apart.
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  Speaker 7: In the woeful AL West.
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  Speaker 1: The Rangers are 500 with six left. The Astros are
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  Speaker 1: 77 and 79, a game back with six left. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: in case of a tie, the Astros have the tiebreaker
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  Speaker 1: by virtue of the season win. The Rangers lost yesterday
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  Speaker 1: to Toronto 7-2. The Astros have lost 10 of their
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  Speaker 1: last 14, including getting swept.
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  Speaker 7: By the Braves.
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  Speaker 1: 4-2 the final yesterday. The Pirates were eliminated from postseason
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend.
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  Speaker 8: They're 79-77.
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  Speaker 1: They'd be leading the West, Their reigning Cy Young winner
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  Speaker 1: Paul Skeens has a 3-9-1 ERA, but that's not terrible.
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  Speaker 1: During a 14-star stretch between the middle of May and
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  Speaker 1: the end of July, he was 5.18 and the Pirates
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  Speaker 1: were 3-11 in those games over the weekend. Skeen said
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  Speaker 1: pitching in the World Baseball Classic may have contributed to
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  Speaker 1: his fluctuating velo, which was.
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  Speaker 7: Down all year. There were a lot of other factors.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to put everything on that, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that was kind of the root of.
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  Speaker 7: It, said Skeen.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, they're watching weather in Chicago and Boston. The Cubs
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  Speaker 1: and Red Sox. could get smoked by a storm on
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  Speaker 1: the East Coast. The Red Sox locked in a second
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  Speaker 1: AL West wildcard spot, but the Cubs, among three teams
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  Speaker 1: within a game of each other for three NL wildcard spots,
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  Speaker 1: will need all three games to be played to determine
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  Speaker 1: that seeding. The Nor'easter could come to Fenway next weekend, uh,
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  Speaker 1: MLB is going to have an ordeal on its hands
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  Speaker 1: deciding what happens if that weather is a factor. And
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  Speaker 1: the ACC SEC Men's Basketball Challenge tip time games have
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  Speaker 1: been set.
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  Speaker 7: A & M will host.
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  Speaker 1: Stanford for an 8-15 start on ESPNU on December 2nd.
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  Speaker 7: In other words.
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  Speaker 1: It's not exactly their prime game. Prime games, Arkansas at
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina, Texas at Louisville, Florida State at Tennessee, Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: at Virginia, and Alabama at Miami, among others. Also, on
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  Speaker 1: this day, in 1969, listen.
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  Speaker 7: To me, that's a long time ago, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's 57 years ago, according to my Richardson High School math.
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  Speaker 7: The longest punt in.
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  Speaker 1: Professional football history.
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  Speaker 7: The reason I bring that up, you know why I
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  Speaker 7: bring it up. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Steve O'Neill, local dentist and Aggie, was a rookie for
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  Speaker 1: the New York Jets when he punted the ball at
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  Speaker 1: Mile High Stadium in Denver from his own one-yard line
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  Speaker 1: to the opponent's one-yard line. It's a record that could
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  Speaker 1: possibly be tied, but it'll never be broken in that yardage.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it hasn't come close to being broken.
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  Speaker 7: So there you go. This date in sports history.
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow on the show, we're due to visit with Jeff Apter,
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  Speaker 1: who has written a book called about Roy Orbison, who
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  Speaker 1: was just huge in Australia.
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  Speaker 7: Jeff is down under.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we will, I have to tape that interview tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: evening because there's a 15 hour time.
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  Speaker 7: Difference between us.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Just so you'll know that. Um, so I will let
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  Speaker 7: you know when that interview will, will be on. We
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  Speaker 7: will hear.
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  Speaker 1: From Mike Elko, uh, tomorrow. And, um, Some other football
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  Speaker 1: news and notes.
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  Speaker 7: We'll have our high school report. Mallory will be with
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  Speaker 7: us with some entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: When we come back, we are going to visit with
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  Speaker 1: Frank Abrams, author of the book The Slander of Billy
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  Speaker 1: the Kid and the Abrams Tin Types.
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  Speaker 7: After this for Chad Jones Law.
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  Speaker 3: On The Zone.
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  Speaker 10: Out in the west Texas town of El Paso, I
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  Speaker 10: fell in love with a Mexican girl. Nighttime would find
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  Speaker 10: me in Rose's Cantina.
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  Speaker 7: We're glad to have you with us, and we want
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  Speaker 7: to jump out.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to jump out to the Players Fund Center
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  Speaker 1: phone line and visit with Frank Abrams. His book is
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  Speaker 1: called The Slander of Billy the Kid and the Abrams
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  Speaker 1: Tin Types. It is a remarkable book that has been,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, research starting in 2011.
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  Speaker 7: Am I close to that, Frank, when you found those pictures?
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  Speaker 11: Well, we didn't know what was there in the pictures
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  Speaker 11: until 2015, Chip. But so much research has gone into
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  Speaker 11: this book. Eight trips across the country and thousands of
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  Speaker 11: hours of research.
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  Speaker 7: How did you know what you had in 2015?
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  Speaker 11: Well, this is the wild part. I bought it in 2011.
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  Speaker 11: It sat on a wall in a rental room. Cowboys, hey,
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  Speaker 11: you know, if it had been sold to me as
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  Speaker 11: a picture of Billy the Kid and the man who
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  Speaker 11: killed him, and someone would have said, here's a picture
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  Speaker 11: of that, I'd have said, well... I'm looking for Elvis
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  Speaker 11: Presley in his casket. I'm sorry. You follow? So I'm
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  Speaker 11: a lawyer. By the way, I went to the University
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  Speaker 11: of Florida, so I have to say go Gators. But
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  Speaker 11: in any event, that's another story. So here we go.
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  Speaker 11: It's 2015. A guy finds Billy the Kid supposedly playing croquet.
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  Speaker 11: And I Google it and I look up Billy the Kid.
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  Speaker 11: First I see Pat Garrett. I look at my picture.
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  Speaker 11: There's five cowboys in my picture. I said, that's Pat
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  Speaker 11: Garrett to my wife. And I was right. And then
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  Speaker 11: over in the back is a guy with a younger
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  Speaker 11: guy with an Adam's apple pronounced and a cardigan sweater
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  Speaker 11: and this goofy look. And it's Billy the Kid. And yeah, Chip,
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  Speaker 11: that's how it all started.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you found this at a flea market, right, this
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  Speaker 1: tintype photo?
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  Speaker 11: That's correct. There were four other photos with that. And
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  Speaker 11: one of the photos is the guy who made Billy famous,
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  Speaker 11: a guy named Ash Upson. He wrote a book called
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  Speaker 11: An Authentic Life of Billy the Kid, and that's what
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  Speaker 11: made Billy famous. Here's the wild part, Chip. The names
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  Speaker 11: are on the tintype. On Garrett's vest is written Pat Garrett,
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  Speaker 11: and my handwriting expert said that Pat wrote his name there.
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  Speaker 11: On Billy is written Billy and the Kid. There's a
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  Speaker 11: date on it, 8-2-80, 1880, which is when they would
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  Speaker 11: have been together out there in Fort Sumner. And next,
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  Speaker 11: that picture of Ash Upson has Ash scratched on the back.
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  Speaker 7: So you had not done.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming, a lot, if any, research on Billy the
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  Speaker 1: Kid before you found out who were in these.
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  Speaker 7: Photos, right?
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  Speaker 11: Heck, I was from Florida, then we moved up to,
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  Speaker 11: I ran for judge down there then. Almost made it,
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  Speaker 11: but I ended up in Asheville, North Carolina in 2004. And,
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  Speaker 11: you know, growing up in Miami, you're not there with
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  Speaker 11: all of the Wild West. figures and pictures. I'll tell
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  Speaker 11: you this. Had I grown up in the West, I
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  Speaker 11: would have recognized Pat Garrett and Billy probably immediately.
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  Speaker 1: The question is, why were they having their picture taken together?
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  Speaker 1: Because most people understand that it was Pat Garrett, who
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  Speaker 1: was sheriff, that tracked down and killed Billy the Kid.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, the great historical fabrication that Garrett is this big hero,
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  Speaker 11: and he goes and tracks down. And this book that
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  Speaker 11: he wrote, that actually Ash Upson wrote for him, Garrett
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  Speaker 11: was almost illiterate, according to reports. But I won't get
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  Speaker 11: into that. It's another subject. But this book paints Garrett
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  Speaker 11: as this big-time hero. And what it does is it's misleading.
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  Speaker 11: In the picture, they're all drinking and they're smoking cigars.
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  Speaker 11: They were all friends. In fact, this is the part
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  Speaker 11: of history that's completely ignored. Garrett was approached to basically
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  Speaker 11: try to end Billy's cattle rustling. That's what was getting
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  Speaker 11: people angry at the time. And Garrett was scared to
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  Speaker 11: death of Billy. reports are that billy could ride past
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  Speaker 11: a fence full of pigeons or doves and literally shoot
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  Speaker 11: the heads off from that full gallop that's so garrett
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  Speaker 11: did not want to face billy okay so there's some
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  Speaker 11: talk there's Two possibilities. One, either this was a wedding
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  Speaker 11: or a celebration of some sort, or two, there was
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  Speaker 11: a time that Garrett tried to approach Billy and say
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  Speaker 11: to Billy, hey, look, why don't you go down to
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  Speaker 11: Mexico and just lay low? And after a while, things
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  Speaker 11: will just go away. Garrett did not want to face
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  Speaker 11: Billy one-on-one.
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  Speaker 1: You uncovered some... some unbelievable information in your research. And
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  Speaker 1: I think the main issue is that when you tried
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  Speaker 1: to present this, what could be claimed as historical information
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  Speaker 1: in what Billy did and how many people he killed
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  Speaker 1: and how they were killed and why they were killed,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't get a lot of interest.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, you got a lot of blowback from that,
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  Speaker 7: didn't you?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I did. You know, it's funny. The people who
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  Speaker 11: control Wild West history, I call them the self-anointed protectors
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  Speaker 11: of Wild West history. They are self-anointed because who told
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  Speaker 11: them they could be the protectors of Wild West? history
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  Speaker 11: they're all like well there ain't supposed to be another
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  Speaker 11: picture of billy the kid you know but here we
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  Speaker 11: go 40 years i'm a federal and state criminal defense
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  Speaker 11: attorney i got you know when when they were recognized
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  Speaker 11: chip i said i'm going to get the top forensic
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  Speaker 11: experts in the country in fact uh handwriting expert, Kurt Baggett,
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  Speaker 11: is out of Texas, and I got the top people
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  Speaker 11: in the country. So that's where it stands. It's like this. Well,
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  Speaker 11: It's saying it's not supposed to be, but ignoring scientific evidence,
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  Speaker 11: that's just not the way they should be acting. They
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  Speaker 11: should be embracing it.
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  Speaker 1: So Billy was no saint. By the way, that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: his real name, was it?
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  Speaker 11: No, it wasn't. Actually, his born name was Henry McCarty.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, Henry McCarty, his mother married this guy named Antrim.
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  Speaker 11: Sometimes later on he was called Henry Antrim. And then
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  Speaker 11: Billy used to read old detective novels. He was a
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  Speaker 11: sharp guy, really sharp. And he could speak fluent Spanish
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  Speaker 11: as well. But we think he just basically invented the
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  Speaker 11: name William Bonney because I guess it It's something that
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  Speaker 11: sounds exotic or something that he might have read in
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  Speaker 11: some sort of a novel or dime novel or book
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  Speaker 11: of the time.
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  Speaker 1: Explain to our listeners what the Lincoln County War was.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, well, Billy is working for this guy named John Tunstall.
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  Speaker 11: He's an Englishman. All right. And he's got a store
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  Speaker 11: across the street from these gentlemen. Well, I'll just say
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  Speaker 11: Dolan and Murphy, who who have this business and they
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  Speaker 11: don't want competition. But there's an underlying issue there, too.
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  Speaker 11: They're Irish. And Tunstall, Billy's boss, is English. And somehow
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  Speaker 11: there's some bad blood at that time between the Irish
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  Speaker 11: and the English. Yeah, go figure. And they didn't want
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  Speaker 11: the competition. So there was this corrupt sheriff who was
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  Speaker 11: the muscle, William Brady. And they arranged for Billy's boss
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  Speaker 11: to be murdered. Billy was a witness. And he was
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  Speaker 11: riding into town with a complaint. They arranged... through this
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  Speaker 11: lawsuit to seize his property. It had nothing to do
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  Speaker 11: with him. It had to do with this lawyer. Anyway,
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  Speaker 11: it gets complicated, except I'll sort of make it simple.
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  Speaker 11: Billy's boss was murdered, John Tunstall. And Billy and the
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  Speaker 11: people who worked for his boss were called the regulators,
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  Speaker 11: and that's what started the war. They decided that they
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  Speaker 11: weren't going to just have someone murder their boss, and
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  Speaker 11: they ended up killing this gentleman Brady, and then it
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  Speaker 11: all morphed into something much, much, much bigger. At one point, Chip,
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  Speaker 11: they said that Main Street in Lincoln County, New Mexico,
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  Speaker 11: was the most dangerous street in America.
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  Speaker 1: So Billy was in jail, right? He was put in
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  Speaker 1: jail and was promised, as you write, his freedom, correct?
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  Speaker 11: He was. That's correct. He was. And, in fact, the
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  Speaker 11: governors at the time, the governor, Lew Wallace, the territorial governor,
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  Speaker 11: before it became a state, at any time, by the way,
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  Speaker 11: during the proceedings, he could have pardoned Billy. He promised
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  Speaker 11: that Billy would have a pardon in his pocket. If
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  Speaker 11: Billy talked about the Lincoln County War, Billy did talk
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  Speaker 11: about the Lincoln County War. And something like 50 people
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  Speaker 11: were indicted based on Billy's testimony. But Lew Wallace, the governor,
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  Speaker 11: he was beholden, I guess, to the cattle interests. And
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  Speaker 11: he never kept his part of the bargain. And Billy
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  Speaker 11: ended up in jail in Lincoln County.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that was true in the movie
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  Speaker 1: Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, which I just I
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  Speaker 1: love that movie with Chris Christopherson.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 7: Billy killed a couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Deputies escaping from the Lincoln County Jail, did he not?
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  Speaker 11: Olinger and Bell, yeah. Bob, that's a really interesting story.
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  Speaker 11: Bob Olinger used to poke his 10-gauge shotgun at Billy
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  Speaker 11: and say, son, the boy who feels the end of
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  Speaker 11: this shotgun is going to hurt, you know?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Olinger didn't realize he was going to be the one.
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: One day, Billy's gone out. He somehow gets a gun.
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: There's some debate on where he gets the gun. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: Olinger's across the street, and he's with some other inmates,
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: and they're eating over there. And then they hear some rustle. Apparently,
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: Billy had gotten a gun. The first guy killed was
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: a guy named Bell, running away from Billy. And then
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: Olinger comes across the street and sees Billy hanging out
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: the window with that same 10-gauge shotgun that Olinger's been
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: poking him with. And the last words that Bob Olinger
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: hears is, hey, Bob, and the rest, as they say,
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: is history.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Peckinpah, being Sam Peckinpah at the time, had a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: shotgun that was filled with dimes and filled that scene
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: in slow motion, probably the most talked about scene in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that movie, I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: That probably, that probably did not happen.
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: Well, that's interesting. I've heard both. I've heard that he
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: didn't say, Hey Bob, that he just basically kaboom.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: And that was, that was the end of it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: I have, I have heard that as well.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, That was also Bob Dylan was in that movie. So,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot to be said to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that movie. I'm not sure just how much of it
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: was fact as you sort things out, Frank.
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: As I try to sort things out, you know. Movies
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: like Billy the Kid versus Dracula. How can I sit here?
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: I mean, where am I going with this, you know?
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: So my book, The Slander of Billy the Kid, not
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: only talks about the fact that they made him out
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: to be this person that he wasn't, but also I
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: think some people have made some money off of Billy
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: the Kid. What do you think, Chip?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, the phrase is, and you
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: talk about this, is when fact becomes legend, print the legend.
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right. That's right. You know, if there's a
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: dollar to be made. But you know what the wild
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: part about it is? Billy disdained people, but he disdained
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: people who would show up with these shiny boots and,
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: you know, these faux cowboys, I guess you'd call it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: You know, he despised that. And Billy didn't walk around
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: with these big sombreros and shiny guns.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: He worked on ranches. I mean, he worked a lot
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: on ranches, did he not?
• 26:51
  Speaker 15: He did.
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: And you see, real cowboys don't wear it. I'm going
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: to say this, but some people might not be happy.
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: In Billy's estimation, real cowboys didn't dress like that. It's expensive.
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: Real cowboys had dirt under their fingernails. You could tell
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: a real cowboy.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: How much is this tintype photo worth since you have
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: basically proven everything you can prove that, in fact, Billy
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the Kid and Pat Garrett were in the same picture together?
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well, that's a good question, Chip. How much money
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: do you have in your wallet right now?
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Well, you paid, I think, $ 10 for it, didn't you?
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I paid $ 10. And it's funny, I've never taken a...
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: People have written that it's worth quite a bit of money.
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: There's a lot of people... I have never taken the position.
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: I have never taken the position that, whoa, I'm going
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: to make a quick payday and sell it. My interest
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: has always been in the history, but more than that,
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: and I want you to understand something, too, that anyone
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: who sits there and says, well, I'm taking a position
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: and it's going to be worth zillions of dollars and
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: I've got to sell it to retire or else I've
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: got to sell the goat or something like that. If
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: you take that position, it's going to come back and
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: haunt you. number one. And, and number two, I'm doing
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: okay for my, I mean, I'm an attorney for 40 years.
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: You know, sometimes my wife screams, we need a new
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: car or something like that, but we're okay. Everything, everything drives.
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: I'm in no big hurry. And you know, Hey, here
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: I am.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So what kind of hope, if any, do you have
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that this book could change a little bit of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: history of Pat Garrett, Billy the Kid.
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: I have high hopes. And, you know, just being on
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: this radio show is part of it. The more people
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: begin to understand how history has really thrown them a curveball,
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: they'll see. I think this book, and I've heard this
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: from other sources, too. This is, I think, one of
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: the best books ever. And I did, and you can
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: see from the research, I, eight trips across the country,
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: thousands of hours, literally thousands of hours worth of research.
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: I put there what I think Billy would have wanted
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: me to write. But more than that, what I wrote
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: was factual and backed up with my research.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Unlike 9 out of 10 Billy the Kid stories in
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the last 150 years, correct?
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: Unlike, exactly. And, you know, as much as you like
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: Sam Peck and all these great movies... about Billy the Kid,
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: you know, for gosh sakes, young guns, it's all entertainment.
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: It's entertainment. I'm not going to argue with entertainment. People
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: have the right to be entertained. But what I wrote
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: was something that I could back up through historical fact.
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: And that was my goal from the beginning. And it
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: had to be. It had to be. I found something, Chip,
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: that wasn't supposed to exist. But if I was going
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: to talk about it, I knew I couldn't come across
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: as somebody who was just quoting legends and citing things
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: that just weren't real.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: How can people get this book, Frank?
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: Well, it's going to be out. It's in the coming months,
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: so pay attention. Pay attention, and it's going to be
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: in the coming months. So it's still in the phase,
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: the review phase. But I'm hopeful that within the next
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: three or four months that you'll be able to find it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Well, I'll certainly let everybody know what it does.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: It is a really, really fun book to read and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: just an amazing story that started at a flea market.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't get much better than that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: Well, thank you so much. And thank you for letting
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: me on your wonderful show.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Frank.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 31:07
  Speaker 16: Bye.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: That's Frank Abrams, and the book is called The Slander
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of Billy the Kid and the Abrams Tin Types. I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: think we're probably the only media show, radio, TV, podcast,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: interweb in America that visited with Frank today about this book.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: I'm proud to say that because it's really interesting.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The most interesting part, the people who, quote, are members
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of the Western society and all of that, they don't
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: want to hear any of this stuff. They just blew
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: this guy off. When he started asking questions like, have
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you researched this? Do you know this as a fact?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, don't mess with our story about Billy
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the Kid. Billy the Kid's an icon, so don't mess
• 32:05
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  Speaker 1: who care know that the Aggies got beat on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't just get beat. They got dominated. They got beaten.
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  Speaker 1: And I know the quarterback's getting all the blame. But
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  Speaker 1: he didn't do special teams. He didn't do defense. He
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: didn't do all the offense. I know he didn't have
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a good game. I'm not saying he did. It was
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a total team effort. Here's Marcel Reed after the game.
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  Speaker 20: Marcel, what do you feel like was the biggest trouble
• 37:55
  Speaker 20: you guys had on offense today, just not being able
• 37:57
  Speaker 20: to get it going today?
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  Speaker 21: Yeah, I think we just didn't finish. We moved the
• 38:01
  Speaker 21: ball pretty well early. We got in the red zone
• 38:05
  Speaker 21: and didn't capitalize, so that was the biggest thing. That
• 38:09
  Speaker 21: gave them some momentum swing early in the game, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 21: they held on to it.
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  Speaker 14: So, yeah, we just got to finish.
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  Speaker 20: Elko had said that you're maybe feeling some of the pressure.
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  Speaker 20: I'm just curious just what the first three weeks of
• 38:20
  Speaker 20: this season have been like for you and just kind
• 38:23
  Speaker 20: of how you're handling that.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 21: You know, I think the first three weeks have been okay.
• 38:32
  Speaker 21: We got to clean up some things, obviously. But, you know,
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  Speaker 21: new system. And, you know, we got to execute better.
• 38:43
  Speaker 21: I mean, honestly, it's up to us.
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: It's up to me.
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  Speaker 21: And I got to take ownership of all this stuff. So,
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  Speaker 21: you know, we got to do better preparing and coming
• 38:52
  Speaker 21: out starting fast and just maintaining it.
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  Speaker 4: Front row with Travis on the right-hand side.
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: Hey, Marcel, I believe it was the last play of
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: the first half and then on the fourth down in
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: the third quarter, underthrown. What kind of walked through that
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  Speaker 8: play and what would you like to do in those
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  Speaker 8: situations next time a little bit better?
• 39:09
  Speaker 21: Yeah, I just got to get my foot down, my
• 39:11
  Speaker 21: back foot down, keep my knee bent and make the throw.
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: I missed a lot and those are ones I wish
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: I had back and just.
• 39:19
  Speaker 21: Got to get back and kind of make sure I
• 39:21
  Speaker 21: get those throws down so they're layups for me, but
• 39:24
  Speaker 21: You know, those should those should be throws that I
• 39:27
  Speaker 21: make easily and I didn't make them and they were
• 39:29
  Speaker 21: costly so I got to fix it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: And did you like the look of what you got
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: on that that fourth down play?
• 39:35
  Speaker 14: What play is that specifically?
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: The fourth down in the third quarter. The short throw?
• 39:41
  Speaker 21: Yeah yeah yeah I like the look for sure you
• 39:44
  Speaker 21: know it was to Rio right I think Rio I
• 39:47
  Speaker 21: got open set it down and He has some space.
• 39:49
  Speaker 14: I just got to plug him so he can get going.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Way in the back with Tyler.
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: Marcel, after a game like that, what do you tell
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: the guys in the locker room?
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: We got out of the way. It's a learning experience.
• 40:03
  Speaker 21: We just got to come back even stronger. We have
• 40:05
  Speaker 21: a big opponent next week in a hostile environment. We
• 40:09
  Speaker 21: got to get right back to work starting tomorrow and
• 40:11
  Speaker 21: prepare our minds for going to Baton Rouge.
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: How much do you feel like Jay Bateman's familiarity with
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: you and just this offense helped in Kentucky's defensive plan?
• 40:23
  Speaker 21: Honestly, I don't think it helped that much. I just
• 40:25
  Speaker 21: don't think we executed the way we needed to. Even
• 40:29
  Speaker 21: if it were to be a problem, that's a defense
• 40:31
  Speaker 21: that I've seen a lot. We should have been able
• 40:33
  Speaker 21: to execute pretty well. I've been seeing that defense for
• 40:37
  Speaker 21: two years.
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: We just got to do better. Right side, second row
• 40:43
  Speaker 14: with Landon. Marcel, you mentioned the preparation this week.
• 40:46
  Speaker 20: Was there any major differences that you noticed in your
• 40:49
  Speaker 20: guys' game preparation this week compared to your first two weeks?
• 40:53
  Speaker 21: No, I don't think there was any difference this specific week.
• 40:56
  Speaker 21: I think, honestly, all the weeks have been the same,
• 41:01
  Speaker 21: but I don't think the weeks have been good enough.
• 41:03
  Speaker 21: We definitely have to fix that, especially being an SEC
• 41:05
  Speaker 21: ball now. We got one loss in conference already, so
• 41:09
  Speaker 21: we don't need any more. We can't afford any more,
• 41:11
  Speaker 21: so we got to get it fixed quick.
• 41:12
  Speaker 13: And with that, how do you help prepare the guys
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: and get practice up to the standard that you're looking for?
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I just got to be a leader. I got
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: to be vocal.
• 41:19
  Speaker 21: And I got to make sure everybody is doing what
• 41:22
  Speaker 21: they're supposed to do, including me. And it starts with me.
• 41:24
  Speaker 21: So I got to do my part. I got to
• 41:27
  Speaker 21: be the one who's accountable, dependable, so that everybody else
• 41:30
  Speaker 21: is doing the same thing.
• 41:31
  Speaker 14: Left side with Matthew. Obviously, you talked about the disappointment.
• 41:36
  Speaker 22: What has got to be the biggest thing that you
• 41:38
  Speaker 22: all got to fix come this next week?
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: The biggest thing I have to fix is making the
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: easy throws. I think.
• 41:47
  Speaker 21: The biggest thing as a team is we just need
• 41:49
  Speaker 21: to everybody do their 111. It's always just one thing
• 41:55
  Speaker 21: that goes wrong. Whenever we're clicking, we're clicking. It's the
• 41:59
  Speaker 21: greatest offense in the world, but when we're not, it's horrible,
• 42:02
  Speaker 21: so we've got to fix it quick.
• 42:03
  Speaker 14: First row with Carter.
• 42:04
  Speaker 22: Marcel, what challenges did present you not having Ashton and
• 42:09
  Speaker 22: then Terry going out on the first play of the game?
• 42:12
  Speaker 21: Yeah, obviously it hurts to see that. Knowing Ashton was
• 42:17
  Speaker 21: already out of the game and then Terry goes down
• 42:19
  Speaker 21: first play, it's not ideal. But we've got some athletic guys,
• 42:24
  Speaker 21: great receivers behind us, and they're ready to come in
• 42:28
  Speaker 21: and work. So it's always been a next man up
• 42:30
  Speaker 21: thing for Texas A & M football, and we just
• 42:33
  Speaker 21: got to trust those guys to do what they can do.
• 42:35
  Speaker 22: I was just going to ask Coach Elko had talked
• 42:38
  Speaker 22: about it's kind of like a pitcher that can't throw
• 42:41
  Speaker 22: a strike with you. Do you feel like it's like that,
• 42:44
  Speaker 22: and how do you get out of maybe a mental
• 42:47
  Speaker 22: bind like that?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, it definitely felt like that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 21: That was a good analogy, and I think the way
• 42:53
  Speaker 21: for me to get out of that is just kind
• 42:55
  Speaker 21: of calm myself down and obviously tell myself I can
• 42:57
  Speaker 21: make those throws because I know I can make those
• 42:59
  Speaker 21: throws and just do it.
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  Speaker 14: I got out of rhythm. I think... my base was bad,
• 43:06
  Speaker 14: and I got to fix that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Left side with Alex.
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  Speaker 20: Looks like you went over and said something to Terry
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: as he was getting carted off.
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: What did you maybe tell him? Have you gotten to
• 43:17
  Speaker 14: talk to him since? How's he doing?
• 43:19
  Speaker 21: Yeah, I just told him I loved him. Like I said,
• 43:22
  Speaker 21: it hurt me to see that first play. After all
• 43:26
  Speaker 21: the work Terry's put in, he's been a really big
• 43:30
  Speaker 21: guy for us. Had a great game last week, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 21: we're expecting a big game for him this week, but yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 21: he went down, and yeah, I just told him that,
• 43:37
  Speaker 21: you know, we got his back, we loved him, and
• 43:40
  Speaker 21: I did see him just a second ago before I
• 43:41
  Speaker 21: came in here, and then I think, you know, he's
• 43:45
  Speaker 21: getting looked at tomorrow for sure, so yeah, whatever happens,
• 43:49
  Speaker 21: that's what it is, so.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Peter, and then we're going to wrap things up with Tony.
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: What happened on that fourth quarter interception? Tried to force
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: a ball.
• 44:02
  Speaker 21: Yeah, I think, you know, we were down two scores
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: at the time, and try to make a big play
• 44:06
  Speaker 21: that probably didn't need to make in the moment but
• 44:09
  Speaker 21: I tried to make so you know can't force it
• 44:11
  Speaker 21: next time so that's all and you've talked both about
• 44:15
  Speaker 21: physical things with your throwing motion as well as from
• 44:17
  Speaker 21: the mental side does it feel more physical or mental
• 44:19
  Speaker 21: with you right now.
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: Right now it definitely feels.
• 44:24
  Speaker 21: More mental and I can control that so I got
• 44:27
  Speaker 21: to fix that immediately and you know just build my
• 44:31
  Speaker 21: confidence back up not like I lost it or anything
• 44:34
  Speaker 21: but um you know this one definitely hurt like it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 21: it's not fun losing and it's a conference game but
• 44:40
  Speaker 21: you know i can make those throws and i will
• 44:42
  Speaker 21: make those throws down the stretch.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Well wrapping up tony.
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: Marcel part of what uh elko said was just the
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: two minute offense when you guys are in up tempo
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: is when you kind of play your best football would
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: you kind of agree with that assessment and and maybe
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: why do.
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: You find that time so advantageous for.
• 44:57
  Speaker 21: You yeah um I think we just kind of keep
• 45:01
  Speaker 21: the defense off balance, and I think that's a good
• 45:03
  Speaker 21: thing about our offense.
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: But, you know, obviously we tried to go tempo. It's
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: hard to.
• 45:08
  Speaker 21: Sometimes when you lose a couple guys and you're short
• 45:12
  Speaker 21: on bodies. But, yeah, we were doing a good job
• 45:15
  Speaker 21: with the tempo. And, you know, like I said in
• 45:17
  Speaker 21: the beginning, we just got to finish the drives.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: All right, that's Marcel Reed after the game on Saturday.
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  Speaker 23: The Houston Astros got swept in their series with a
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  Speaker 7: Final score, 4-2.
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  Speaker 23: The Astros struck first with Jose Altuve hitting a solo
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  Speaker 24: Was this season for you to move up to double-A
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  Speaker 24: and goes!
• 47:06
  Speaker 23: In the sixths, the Braves exploded for four runs, putting
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• 47:20
  Speaker 7: That's hit pretty well to Wright, sending Hicklin all the
• 47:22
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  Speaker 23: The Astros hit the road to face the Seattle Mariners
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• 47:36
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk some college football.
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  Speaker 7: That's one thing I know.
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  Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that. Speaking of college football, Lane's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: return to Oxford. Was not good for Lane. But my gosh,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: what a scene Saturday night. What an unbelievable scene Saturday night.
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: And what a game.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Normally all that buildup and hype, it never delivers. But
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: this one delivered. Tied myself on the back. I picked
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss. LSU was favored. I picked a quarterback. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: that quarterback, He's jumped to the top of my Heisman
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: list right now. Here's the head coach, Pete Golding.
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  Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean, what an awesome weekend, you know, environment
• 49:15
  Speaker 25: in Oxford. The community did an unbelievable job, and we
• 49:18
  Speaker 25: had the concert Thursday night. so many things were going
• 49:20
  Speaker 25: on game day and all that and just really proud
• 49:22
  Speaker 25: of this building um from keith to glenn you know
• 49:26
  Speaker 25: allowed us to keep our focus on what was important
• 49:28
  Speaker 25: i thought our staff and our coaches did an outstanding
• 49:30
  Speaker 25: job and more importantly i thought our players really stayed
• 49:33
  Speaker 25: focused and worked their butts off and handled the right
• 49:35
  Speaker 25: way and did it with class and That's kind of
• 49:38
  Speaker 25: what I just told them, man. When you work your
• 49:39
  Speaker 25: butt off and you're talented and you keep the good
• 49:41
  Speaker 25: word first, good things happen to you. It took all
• 49:45
  Speaker 25: of us tonight. A lot of guys stepped up and
• 49:47
  Speaker 25: played really well, so just really proud of them.
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: Pete, I know you guys were kind of playing down
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: the lane stuff all week, but does this one mean
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: a little bit more, and I guess what kind of
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: emotions are you feeling right now?
• 49:57
  Speaker 25: You know, I just told our team in there, I
• 49:59
  Speaker 25: was like, look, I don't think anybody came.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Here to beat LSU.
• 50:03
  Speaker 25: I mean, that's not what our goal was, coming in
• 50:06
  Speaker 25: and working so hard in the offseason summer.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: It wasn't just a win-win football game. I told them, yes,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: is it sweet? Absolutely.
• 50:12
  Speaker 25: And go enjoy it tonight for sure. You know, we've
• 50:15
  Speaker 25: got to come back to work tomorrow. We've got a really,
• 50:16
  Speaker 25: really good Florida.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Team next week.
• 50:18
  Speaker 25: And so it wasn't the Super Bowl, and we didn't
• 50:20
  Speaker 25: make it to be the Super Bowl. I think the
• 50:23
  Speaker 25: goals and the expectations that Glenn and Keith have set
• 50:26
  Speaker 25: for this place isn't about winning one football game in September.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: And so am I super proud of them? Absolutely.
• 50:33
  Speaker 25: But, you know, that's three years since we've been here
• 50:35
  Speaker 25: that we've come home with that trophy.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's an expectation here, as it should be.
• 50:39
  Speaker 25: And so really proud of our guys and our coaches,
• 50:43
  Speaker 25: really happy for our fans.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: I couldn't be happier for Glenn and for Keith.
• 50:48
  Speaker 25: I'm really grateful for the opportunity they presented to me,
• 50:51
  Speaker 25: which they didn't have to. And I think it was
• 50:53
  Speaker 25: a full circle moment for a lot of people that
• 50:56
  Speaker 25: no player, no person is bigger than anybody else. And
• 50:58
  Speaker 25: this place has been built the right way with really
• 51:00
  Speaker 25: good people. And the trajectory is up, and that's where
• 51:03
  Speaker 25: it's going to continue to go.
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  Speaker 22: Yes, Pete, just from a program standpoint moving forward the
• 51:08
  Speaker 22: rest of the season, just how good is it now
• 51:10
  Speaker 22: to kind of have this week and this game in
• 51:12
  Speaker 22: the rearview mirror?
• 51:13
  Speaker 25: Well, I think it's great to have another game to
• 51:15
  Speaker 25: where it's a four-quarter fight. You know, disappointing thing for
• 51:19
  Speaker 25: me was something that we talked about halftime. I said
• 51:22
  Speaker 25: it felt like seven days ago we were sitting in
• 51:24
  Speaker 25: the same locker room and had a decent first half.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: And we talked about coming out here in the.
• 51:28
  Speaker 25: Third quarter and really sticking the dagger in them and
• 51:32
  Speaker 25: finishing this thing the right way.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: And yet we didn't do it again.
• 51:35
  Speaker 25: And so if you continue to let good football teams
• 51:38
  Speaker 25: hang around, bad things happen. And so really proud of
• 51:41
  Speaker 25: the fight in the fourth quarter. Really good job by
• 51:43
  Speaker 25: the offense at the end. Really good execution of a
• 51:46
  Speaker 25: plan in place for the two-point situation. that I think
• 51:49
  Speaker 25: kind of changed the momentum a little bit there. And
• 51:52
  Speaker 25: then the defense made a stop when they had to.
• 51:54
  Speaker 25: But you're going to go back and watch the tape.
• 51:56
  Speaker 25: There are a lot of opportunities for us to end
• 51:59
  Speaker 25: that game way before that.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: And you keep on playing with fire, you're going to
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: get burned.
• 52:03
  Speaker 25: And so we've got to continue to learn from these, obviously,
• 52:05
  Speaker 25: mistakes and correct them so we don't do it again.
• 52:08
  Speaker 25: But just so happy for our guys, man. They worked
• 52:10
  Speaker 25: their butt off. I want them to enjoy it tonight.
• 52:13
  Speaker 25: Really excited for our fans. Created an unbelievable atmosphere. which
• 52:17
  Speaker 25: is the norm here. It doesn't matter if it's Tulane.
• 52:19
  Speaker 25: It doesn't matter if it's Kiff and LSU. You're going
• 52:21
  Speaker 25: to show up. They're going to be loud. Our guys
• 52:24
  Speaker 25: just are so grateful for that. A lot of false
• 52:27
  Speaker 25: starts today. Got them behind the chains because of the
• 52:30
  Speaker 25: crowd noise. So really thankful for the student section and
• 52:33
  Speaker 25: all the fans and the alumni.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Happy for them.
• 52:37
  Speaker 17: Pete, Trinidad plays lights out in the first half, maybe
• 52:39
  Speaker 17: a little bit rocky at times to start the second half.
• 52:41
  Speaker 13: But how do you just put in the words the
• 52:43
  Speaker 13: calming and steadying force he has in those biggest moments
• 52:46
  Speaker 13: to lead you guys.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Down the field to take the lead on that drive
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter?
• 52:49
  Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean, he's a fierce competitor. I mean, y'all
• 52:51
  Speaker 25: have known that. Y'all have seen him for a long time.
• 52:53
  Speaker 25: You know, we talk about competitive greatness, being at your
• 52:56
  Speaker 25: best when your best is needed. Like, that's him. Our
• 52:59
  Speaker 25: guys believe in him. You know, he probably wants a
• 53:00
  Speaker 25: couple throws back. You know, but he made the ones
• 53:03
  Speaker 25: that he had to. And doesn't get too high, doesn't
• 53:05
  Speaker 25: get too low. And he's a steady Eddie. So, you know,
• 53:09
  Speaker 25: I said that this morning on game day, man. Like,
• 53:10
  Speaker 25: I don't care what level you coach. If you don't
• 53:13
  Speaker 25: have a quarterback, man.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Good luck. You know, and we got a good one
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: and he's a good dude. So, just super happy for him.
• 53:20
  Speaker 14: What came over you to go for two there?
• 53:23
  Speaker 25: So, you know, the plan always was, you know, in
• 53:27
  Speaker 25: certain situations it's really hard when you get scored on.
• 53:31
  Speaker 25: In a situation where you're not supposed to be going
• 53:33
  Speaker 25: for two, you send a field goal block unit out
• 53:35
  Speaker 25: there and then you try to catch people with 12
• 53:38
  Speaker 25: or make them burn a timeout or anything like that.
• 53:40
  Speaker 25: And then if they jump, well, then it's half the
• 53:42
  Speaker 25: distance and you got a real decision to make. Are
• 53:44
  Speaker 25: you going to get closer at some point on that
• 53:46
  Speaker 25: for a yard and a half?
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Well, then we did it again and they did it again.
• 53:49
  Speaker 25: And so then at that point, you know, if we
• 53:51
  Speaker 25: can't get a half yard, right, to get it to eight.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: To make sure that you don't lose the game. You know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: worst-case scenario, that you're going to overtime, then we shouldn't
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: win the game.
• 53:59
  Speaker 25: So it was something that we worked throughout the week
• 54:01
  Speaker 25: that our guys executed at a high level.
• 54:03
  Speaker 20: What could you say about the secondary performance tonight?
• 54:07
  Speaker 25: You know, I thought at times they did a really
• 54:10
  Speaker 25: nice job. I think Charlie does an unbelievable job on
• 54:13
  Speaker 25: the other side of the ball and presents a lot
• 54:15
  Speaker 25: of problems for defenses. So they saw a lot of
• 54:18
  Speaker 25: different things, and I thought for the most part, They
• 54:20
  Speaker 25: did a really good job. I put a lot on them.
• 54:23
  Speaker 25: There's a lot of checks and things like that. It
• 54:25
  Speaker 25: wasn't always perfect. I knew it wasn't going to be
• 54:27
  Speaker 25: perfect going in, but they've taken a beating lately, and
• 54:31
  Speaker 25: they've been really, really coachable.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: They made some plays when they have to. It wasn't perfect.
• 54:34
  Speaker 25: I wasn't perfect either. We'll look at the tape, but
• 54:37
  Speaker 25: really excited for them tonight to get that win. That's
• 54:39
  Speaker 25: a big one for us.
• 54:41
  Speaker 12: Hey, Pete.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Over here.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 54:44
  Speaker 26: I know not your Super Bowl, bigger things down the road.
• 54:47
  Speaker 26: But a lot was made of Lane's reasons for leaving,
• 54:50
  Speaker 26: and I know you told him specifically, like, hey, you
• 54:52
  Speaker 26: can have everything you want right here. Do you think
• 54:55
  Speaker 26: an outcome like this tonight makes a statement along those lines,
• 54:59
  Speaker 26: reinforces what you already believed?
• 55:01
  Speaker 25: I'm not getting into that, to be honest with you.
• 55:03
  Speaker 25: I mean, I think people make decisions for their own
• 55:06
  Speaker 25: reasons and for them and their family, and that's a
• 55:08
  Speaker 25: question for him.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not getting into that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: Pete Golding was not going to take that bait. Hey,
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: I'm all for that. Let your talking be done on
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: the field.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: And he did it. And, you know, moving on, right?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I've got to rethink. I've got to
• 55:33
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• 55:38
  Speaker 1: there's a long way to go. He is an underdog
• 55:41
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• 55:46
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• 55:50
  Speaker 7: I get that. But, man, that kind of surprised me.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: They're looking for the hangover from this game. Is it
• 55:58
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  Speaker 24: relax on the front porch, or grab some fresh kolaches
• 58:35
  Speaker 24: from their bakery on your way out. Slovacic Sausage, Highway
• 58:38
  Speaker 24: 60 in Snook.