Latest / Identity at the Center / #175 - Authenticate 2022 Preview with Andrew Shikiar

Transcript

#175 - Authenticate 2022 Preview with Andrew Shikiar · Identity at the Center

0:09
You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is
0:13
the show that talks about identity and access management
0:15
and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
0:18
started. Welcome to the identity of the
0:27
sender podcast I'm Jeff and that's Jim.
0:28
Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you? Oh, not so bad yourself doing
0:32
great. Hey, have you ever sat down and
0:35
read and I am system design document from end to end.
0:40
Yes. But not by choice but not the
0:43
most thrilling reading. Yeah.
0:45
No, it's definitely. Not the most for me reading even
0:47
though I love identity and access management, it's kind of
0:51
a boring, very detailed read and I kind of thought to myself.
0:55
Well, maybe I'm not the target audience for those documents,
1:00
but since I'm reading it, you know, and people ask me for
1:04
feedback on it, have you ever seen that movie?
1:08
I can't remember the name of the movie, but it's I think it's
1:11
Denzel Washington. And his go-to line is like
1:14
explaining to me like a 5th grader.
1:16
I can't think of it off hand, I don't know.
1:18
Okay, well anyway, that was kind of like my thinking, like, let's
1:22
boil this down. So it's not like Like you have
1:24
to, you know, in transparency so it's were deploying a cell point
1:29
system and it's like I yes I have the context for what cell
1:35
Point does right identity. Governance identity governance
1:39
and administration I get that but the folks on the client side
1:43
may not realize that hey there's these identity cubes being
1:46
created and we're doing all these provisioning events and so
1:50
I kind of thought you know a lot about it from the standpoint It
1:54
that it's missing the context, people don't always have that
1:59
base knowledge. Also kind of reminded me of
2:03
something that happened recently with my son.
2:05
So he called a phone number. I asked him to get give
2:10
something I called and I said, hey, did you call that?
2:14
That? Number is like, yeah.
2:15
But I'm getting like this weird beeping noise, Like what are you
2:20
talking about? Weird, beeping noise.
2:22
So I call the phone number, it's a busy signal.
2:26
He's not have the context, he does.
2:27
It was the first time he'd ever heard a busy signal before.
2:31
So now that you know they don't know what a typewriter sounds
2:34
like you know that's like what the sound effect is for
2:36
keyboards. You know the play it's like
2:38
never never actually heard a typewriter in real life.
2:42
Yeah, the moaning sound right connection.
2:44
All, you know, all of us old people who, you know, grew up in
2:47
the dark ages of computing. Yeah, I thought of saying that
2:53
we used to use all the time so something I was up, you know,
2:56
495 guys. It was dial tone.
2:58
It was like you pick up the phone, you dial turn but I guess
3:03
younger Generations. Wouldn't even know what the heck
3:05
you're talking about, right, right.
3:09
Hey, I saw something yesterday. That made me think You
3:12
specifically and that was I don't know if you saw this but
3:15
meta announced their new VR headset and ends.
3:19
It's a fifteen hundred dollar headset in the middle of a
3:23
recession. And it's selling point is that
3:26
it's really meant for like the business and Enterprise so that
3:30
you can have your team meetings and the metaverse, doesn't that
3:33
sound exciting? I love it.
3:36
I made. It might be an idea.
3:37
That's a little bit ahead of its time but I think eventually
3:41
that's the way it's going. To go.
3:43
You know, people want to feel like they're in the room
3:45
together without leaving their house and I think being an
3:49
avatar kind of like allows you to get up and, you know, not
3:55
just that not get out your chip of your jammies and go right
3:59
into the meeting and, you know, be wearing a three-piece suit if
4:01
you want, I hate this, there is no way, I'm spending fifteen
4:06
hundred dollars on a headset, just to attend a team meeting
4:09
and I and you know me, I love technology.
4:11
I'm surrounded by it. I was testing yourself but that
4:14
is that is not a feature that I am interested in when it comes
4:18
to VR or any of the things that I do not want to be in a meeting
4:22
and be are now, what if you had that, that had served on and
4:26
they had the functionality that you felt like you're in
4:29
conference room and you had access to white boards and you
4:33
pretty much hold with felt like a marker and you're writing on
4:35
the Whiteboard and it really felt like you're in the room.
4:38
And you can look around and see people's reactions and things.
4:42
Like that, wouldn't that be worth it?
4:44
Not really because the visual Fidelity, isn't there yet?
4:47
This isn't so right, this is an audio podcast but we do have a
4:49
video component that we use behind the scenes and this
4:52
camera quality is good, right? We can kind of see each other
4:55
and everything looks good. That is not what the metaverse
4:59
today looks like. It is not photo realistic.
5:01
It is, I would probably equate it to something like, you know,
5:05
Nintendo and like they're those me characters that they have
5:08
from with a Nintendo Wii and stuff like that.
5:10
Like that's the visual fidelity. Of it.
5:13
And no I don't want to take a pen and write because I can't
5:16
read my own handwriting. I sure as heck can't risk in a
5:19
virtual wall that I have no idea what I'm writing up against.
5:23
Yeah I remember it was about 15 years ago and the company I was
5:30
working for is falling out. He's Cisco basically televisions
5:35
to put in all the conference rooms and they had cameras on
5:39
them and things like that. And it's basically like having a
5:42
Teams meeting, you know, from conference room to conference
5:46
room and people are like, who needs this.
5:49
Why would we spend ten thousand dollars on this.
5:51
So I think that reality when things first break in super high
5:56
cost, you know, relatively low quality compared to what we can
6:01
do today. You know, nowadays you can I
6:07
couldn't imagine conducting Business Without video calls.
6:12
Yeah, I think it's helpful. I just that the technology for
6:17
the matter versus not there yet. It is not even close to what a
6:21
video quality looks like. Like it just doesn't work like
6:23
that. It looks like a video game.
6:25
What did you think of 3D TV? I never got into it.
6:31
Never had it. I think at the time in my life
6:34
when it was starting to maybe be a thing, I wore glasses.
6:37
So wearing glasses on top of another set of classes.
6:42
That's not the most appealing or welcome whole thing.
6:44
Same reason, I didn't really get into VR.
6:46
Several years back, was I used to wear glasses and having
6:49
glasses underneath my HTC Vive for those that were curious was
6:54
not a control thing. I got Lasik went back to it and
6:57
try it again and it was better, but still not as not comfortable
7:01
having like this heavy thing on your head that is very front
7:04
heavy to. It makes your face when I click
7:06
tilt forward. So they need to be like a better
7:09
design and maybe takes the battery like a, some of the
7:10
newer ones, the kind of shifts it to the Back so that you've
7:13
now got this heavy sword almost like a giant helmet on.
7:18
Right, exactly. Yeah.
7:20
Well, I mean, I'll say one thing is like, I love being in person
7:24
for conferences and meeting people.
7:26
But I don't know about some of the business meetings or what
7:29
they're not they're ever going to be held in person, in
7:35
locations. Like, they were in the past
7:37
where, you know, so many of the clients that we work with. 13
7:43
teams are spread out around the country, so that not only have
7:46
to fly us as consultants in. They have to fly in their own
7:50
team members to some kind of central office.
7:53
And you know, it's costing type of cost.
7:57
Yeah, I don't see much sort of like, get together.
7:59
I think it's a, I think it's good to do for maybe like a
8:02
kickoff or very beginning or, you know, key strategic meetings
8:06
things like that on the way, but not like the old days, you know,
8:09
of 2020 early 2020, where people are.
8:12
Like oh, yeah, I'm gone Monday through Thursday at the client
8:14
site. Now I don't I just don't see
8:15
that coming back anytime soon. Yeah.
8:18
I just used to love whiteboarding out architectures
8:22
and how systems were going to work and everybody getting in a
8:26
room and you know, you could draw on the Whiteboard and
8:29
somebody else could take the marker and kind of draw on top
8:31
of your drawing. And that's where I think the
8:33
metaverse could take us is getting back to some of that.
8:38
I think it's expensive. If our son wants to buy us,
8:41
fifteen hundred dollar, metaverse helmet from, for meta,
8:45
and maybe, like a Wacom or cintiq tablet, right?
8:49
That we can kind of a surface may be the right that we can,
8:52
you know, at your sketch on for meetings.
8:53
I'm all for it, but that sounds like a pretty hefty investment
8:56
for just being able to whiteboard.
8:59
I'd like to just add edit. What you just said if anybody
9:04
was to biases things there a lot.
9:06
Oh yeah. Okay, yeah.
9:08
Maybe meta wants to sponsor the identity, the center podcast,
9:10
and send us a couple of headsets of do that.
9:13
All right, well speaking of getting a person, why don't we
9:15
shift to our main topic because, guess what?
9:17
Today is, Jim well survey today? Well today, as people are
9:22
listening to. This is October 17th, it's
9:25
Monday. And it is the first day of the
9:28
Afeni Kate 2022 conference and we're welcoming back for his
9:32
sixth time on the show and Russia are, he's the executive
9:36
director of the fight Alliance. And thank you so much for
9:38
joining us again. Andrew, Guys, thanks for having
9:41
me, I'm missing all the fun conversation.
9:43
Like I have strong opinions about the men of hers and all
9:45
these things. But well we can get it to
9:47
everyone for everything standard six times.
9:49
I'll do it, set aside to know. Well, we can get injured if you
9:52
want before we get to the conference.
9:53
But would you spend $1500 on a headset for Telugu and kannada?
9:57
And Jim, I thought your analogy of 3D TV was good.
10:01
I was really cool. I was really excited about that
10:03
and it came out and I still have a Dusty bin of 3D glasses
10:06
somewhere. I do think the metaverse has
10:10
legs, though. I was a skeptic until recently,
10:12
I kids got a headset and is pretty, pretty immersive.
10:16
But I just happened to see an email headline come through this
10:19
morning. That someone is projecting the
10:22
Enterprise metaverse Market to be sixty billion dollars, sixty
10:25
billion 60s because it'd be. So that's a lot of excess, but I
10:29
think that there's a lot of interesting applications for
10:31
metaverse Beyond just like pretending to be in a conference
10:35
room together. But you think about like
10:37
Manufacturing and all sorts of stuff were you know, augmented
10:41
reality has actually been proven to work.
10:43
Anyhow, I digress that's off topic but I need to jump in.
10:48
No thanks that I did. And I agree with you, I think
10:49
augmented reality is a bunch of different beast and definitely
10:51
has has some interesting use cases, let's talk a fennec a
10:56
conference. Because today is the first day
10:58
people listening to this if they're catching us, right?
11:00
When we doubt right, when, right?
11:01
When he hits the internet and you'd be surprised, I go in the
11:03
first hour, they're already like a few hundred people who I've
11:07
done what before you even like, made it announcement on it,
11:09
which is pretty cool. So, thank you for that
11:11
listeners. But if you're listening to this,
11:13
let's talk about the Thunder Cake conference.
11:15
This year. Can you give us a little
11:17
preview? You know who and what can people
11:19
expect from this year? Yeah, yeah.
11:22
So we're super excited about authenticate, you last year's
11:26
our first time, we managed to pull an in-person authenticate
11:29
off and we had, you know, in midst of covid or the end of
11:34
covid in October. Last year, we had around 22 out
11:36
of chance. People there, which was great.
11:39
We're going to double that this year, so we'll have a lot more
11:43
people. So closer to 500 engender on
11:49
said, an attendee profile as shifted to be in more of the
11:53
kind of deploying organizations. So we're seeing a lot of banks,
11:56
insurance companies of general, like Architects and siso office
11:59
type people from these companies taking part and also a lot of
12:03
sea level folks from kind of a vendor ecosystem.
12:06
So in general, I think we have a very senior switched on
12:08
audience, will be attending authenticate this year.
12:12
One other note is that we're actually at capacity, so we're
12:15
recording this. In advance of the conference
12:17
will be, there's only literally, a handful of spots left to be on
12:21
site. That's true for anyone who's
12:23
listening to this, who wanted to be on site and is listening
12:26
remotely because you'd only tender about Lee, sorry about
12:28
that, but make sure to sign up scooter next year.
12:31
So great turnout, you know, this super excited about a very
12:36
engaging Three days in Seattle. Yeah, it's a cool spot to have
12:40
it. And I think for people who
12:41
aren't familiar with the authentic a conference, I
12:44
attended the first one for me, at least last year, this is the
12:47
infamous gym getting sick at the last minute and leaving me to do
12:51
a presentation by myself at the last minute.
12:54
Not that, not that I still think about that at all because I'm
12:56
sure it was fine. But for people who aren't
12:58
familiar with Fido Alliance, I know you've been on, with time
13:01
talk about for but sort of a refresher.
13:03
Can you just kind of give us kind of a, you know, what is the
13:05
fight Alliance and and the Kind of a mission of the
13:08
organization. Yeah, so if I do the lines is
13:10
that it's an industry. Body comprised of you know over
13:14
250 companies worldwide we work together to create Open
13:18
Standards for stronger. User authentication basically
13:22
trying to reduce Reliance on passwords sweetie three, things
13:26
the body we can say technical standards.
13:29
Secondly we are nurturing a kind of a vibrant B2B ecosystem of
13:35
products and services that our final certified.
13:38
So support the photos Vacations, such that any company seeking to
13:42
deploy can license from a variety of vendors if they
13:44
decide to license the last but not least, it was focused a lot
13:48
and more and more on facilitating adoption.
13:51
So that may mean giving best practice guidance that might
13:55
mean, you know, implementation guidelines, and we're doing more
13:58
and more work right usability that also includes things like
14:01
authenticate. All right, so really bringing
14:03
the community together to elevate the overall awareness
14:08
and knowledge of Of what Fido is where it's going and how to
14:12
successfully Implement fight authentication.
14:15
Take, it's just so cool with. I've had an opportunity to talk
14:18
to a few of the speakers over the last few days because just
14:22
previewing during the conference that didn't hit Center podcasts
14:26
going to have guests on who are speaks at the conference.
14:31
And so I've gotten to speak to a lot of those people, and it's
14:33
like this is square on identity and access management.
14:37
These are people who are Doing it in the real world but I'm
14:42
getting super familiar with the agenda.
14:45
I mean there are so many more people had love to have on the
14:47
show but you know, we can't get to everybody.
14:51
But I noticed a few major themes that are kind of baked into the
14:56
agenda. And the first thing is around
14:58
pesky's and it's such a Hot Topic right now.
15:02
Why don't we just start off with the very basic, you know, what
15:06
is a passkey? Yeah, yeah.
15:08
So past you First off, probably in the headline activity for
15:11
Fido lines and 2022. So, backing up, backing may be
15:16
used to join announcement between Fighting Alliance Apple.
15:19
Google Microsoft, where the three platform companies
15:23
submitted see, you support a final implementation that allows
15:28
the private key to be securely synced on operating system
15:33
cloud. So, whereas historically, you
15:36
know, the private Keys always been bound to a device which is
15:39
really good for us to curity profile standpoint.
15:42
But we've found is limiting deployment from a usability
15:45
standpoint, for when I'll come what's a long tail of the super
15:49
applications in particular? So if you think about it, when
15:53
the private key can't leave, the device, that means in every user
15:56
needs to enroll every device for every service.
15:58
So, if I go to site eBay on my math book and enrolled for, you
16:03
know, Sign into my account. With a password, it gives you
16:06
the option to then use Touch ID every time thereafter.
16:09
I can then use on that device but then when I walk up to my
16:12
iPad or iPhone or rekt PC or my Android phone, each time I need
16:16
to roll that device. So each time, I need to enter a
16:18
password and then I could have my final key pair establish and
16:22
use you to my local on device. Authentication biometric group
16:26
it. That doesn't scale quite well
16:30
for consumers, alright? And so by allowing this key to
16:34
be securely, synced it really opens up the door to provide,
16:39
well, call it a password manager life experience, but with Fido
16:43
key pairs, instead of passwords. And I think if your sewers
16:47
who've adopted password managers, whether they know
16:49
they're doing it or not. All right.
16:50
So, whether your license savoring 1password, Ashley Nora
16:53
just using Grassroots warm till now, they come to expect that
16:57
experience for every time I go. To a site either have the
16:59
password stored in there. I don't need to remember it.
17:01
And so why should fight o be any different?
17:03
If anything should be much smoother, it should be better
17:05
user experience. So, we think that what we talked
17:08
about when we announced know this Pass Key support back in,
17:11
May will be exactly that two huge number of consumer
17:16
applications. Now are literal definition, the
17:19
past, he's actually expanded so we'll be talking about this a
17:22
lot this week at authenticate but to finalize past you
17:27
basically means any sort of Pastor list fi to enable
17:29
authentication. All right, so I'm so in the, you
17:32
know that Most people want to talk about it or thinking about
17:36
that the sink scenario that could also include pre-existing
17:40
support for pass through this authentication.
17:42
Using say, if I do security key, all right, or even like that a
17:46
native app, where anytime you're using a final protocol to pass
17:49
through the side and we will call a passkey.
17:52
And what's interesting about that is, you know, one challenge
17:56
we've had frankly, as an organization, is that there's no
17:59
consumer term for Fido. Rider platform on syndicator,
18:04
God forbid or anything like that.
18:05
So you know, I think there's really been a gap in the market
18:09
when you're talking about how to do this.
18:11
And so by, you know, collectively agreeing to use a
18:14
term pesky 4:04, the sign in then having the corresponding
18:18
logo program, that's being supported by Fido Alliance.
18:20
But most importantly also by Apple, Google and Microsoft.
18:24
And I think it's going to really accelerate industry wide
18:26
adoption of Fido based past real assignments.
18:30
So I'm I'm assuming when you, when you went over those
18:33
different ecosystems, the pass key is is bound within the
18:38
ecosystem, right? It's not cross ecosystem.
18:42
You know, you wouldn't flow that private key from Apple to Google
18:46
or things like that. I'm assuming that's the case.
18:49
I'll select the key is synced locally, is it synced on OS
18:53
Cloud? But you can actually go across
18:54
the biases. All right, so go back to my
18:56
scenario where I started with, like, we use eBay this using
18:59
that, as an example, by the way. So there, The circulating this
19:04
but the kind of our poster child for invited us to have done so
19:06
much to deploy. Without that back is the say I'm
19:10
with Sam on and I started my Apple ecosystem and then I go to
19:14
my PC. What I can do then, is you type
19:17
in my username and then that eBay or that service, provider
19:20
can say, oh, hey, look, you and your, I see you have a past.
19:22
You do you want to use your passkey which case I could say?
19:25
Yes. And then they prevent at present
19:28
Bluetooth option for local device in cross-device, sign it
19:31
or I could use same My phone just shoot the QR code on that
19:34
screen which will then allow for an intelligent Bluetooth pairing
19:37
to happen between my device are two devices and then I'd
19:40
basically be using that pass key to sign in on my PC at that
19:45
point, depending on the service, they may give me the option then
19:48
to install that pasty on my PC. So that next time I come on TC,
19:53
I just use the on device siding on the PC rather than having
19:57
your back to my phone to sign it.
19:59
So in that sense you can actually absolutely we've
20:01
contemplated how to bootstrap, essentially between cloudy
20:05
versus I think we can directly between us it.
20:09
I think we just touched on. There is kind of the second
20:11
theme that I noticed which is around usability.
20:15
Is this all about making people's lives easier who are
20:19
dealing with technology. Now, the first thing I think
20:23
what drives usability is ubiquity.
20:26
So when you see something done over and over, and that's why
20:29
something, or one of the reasons why a SMS one-time passwords has
20:33
become so popular and so easy to use that even if You're not an
20:37
IT person you can figure it out because it's done everywhere.
20:41
I'm not saying that's right, but it does have.
20:44
Its ubiquity has its advantages but usability being that that
20:49
second theme kind of what, what can people expect out of that?
20:54
Yeah, I think you're spot on Jim.
20:57
So when we talk more and more about usability, in fact, I say
21:01
and it's true. I pretty much every conversation
21:03
I have these days about final Authentication Begins and ends
21:07
with usability. So note to self and finish this
21:10
conversation, talking about usability.
21:13
But if Geralyn talk to companies who are seeking to deploy that,
21:15
you know, about Saito, I think ubiquitous really important,
21:19
right? You think about like Fidos goal
21:21
but we're trying to do is it's very ambitious, if not
21:24
audacious. Right replacing dependence on
21:27
passwords. How do you do that?
21:30
And the moment to think about is what are the advantages that
21:32
pass for its hole or password plus ssup as you mentioned, the
21:37
number one advantage they have is ubiquity.
21:40
And then incumbents, right there known commodity and you can
21:43
pretty much do them anywhere. All right, so some have taken on
21:47
the ubiquity challenged by getting 50 basically sedimented
21:50
in every operating system, every device, every browser on the
21:54
planet, all right, through the work we do is w3c, I thought
21:58
then and then the Implement a platform providers we have in
22:02
the alliance we've hit that point of ubiquity or hitting it.
22:05
We're getting closer to it beyond that you know.
22:08
I think we look at usability a couple of ways you know I see
22:12
three key things. At first, it was kind of this
22:15
tied to the first point of a bit tiny victory in the sense that
22:18
there's kind of a general user education and experience curve
22:22
that needs to happen. So while using not using
22:25
passwords is easier than using passwords, it is a change and as
22:29
I get older, I get more diverse a change and a lot of people are
22:32
averse to change your accustomed to looking for that user name.
22:35
Password dialog box, we go to a website and if that goes away,
22:40
well, what do I do? And how does that make you feel?
22:42
If I bank or something, I've been using for years.
22:44
All right, so we need to know that NASA.
22:46
Gradual thing that's not going to happen overnight.
22:50
Even when the technology is there, we need to have best
22:52
practices on how to migrate consumers from LogMeIn in the
22:56
ways they know to the way that is is new to them.
23:00
So I think that's one part of it is come that just general
23:03
learned experience messaging and terminology, right?
23:06
We've done a lot of testing on that front as well.
23:09
How do you explain this to people and what are their
23:11
concerns? And one thing we learned for
23:13
example, that is that letting people know they have a password
23:16
list option. Is better than making them feel
23:19
like they're taking something away.
23:22
That's interesting to so messaging and and having a
23:25
common term for a Fido authentication process, which is
23:28
what we're going to call passkey will help immensely that regard.
23:32
Second kind of usability thing is actually the usability excels
23:35
at the ux. Right?
23:37
So yes while when Watson supported everywhere no see it's
23:40
you know, implemented on a lot of sites but there still are
23:43
some Kind of awkward steps sometimes in the user Journey
23:49
when it comes to say OS, prompts your browser, promissory
23:53
consistencies there. So tying back to the platform it
23:57
with commitment to pass key. We think that tighter
24:01
integration with the platforms will help immensely.
24:04
Alright, so as these passive Pass Key Concepts being woven
24:07
into the very fabric of things like iOS and that was Ventura
24:11
and chrome and windows, you'll see much more Natural and
24:14
intuitive flow for consumers as they as they start.
24:19
Using was passed for those technology and the last things
24:22
we talked about before, like the need to read roll.
24:25
Every device for every service is just counterintuitive.
24:28
It's a bad user experience. It's also a security risk as
24:32
well as it's making. The service provider is
24:34
basically maintain a regular available, password for
24:39
re-enrollment of each device, 2013 that I wanted to talk about
24:42
the conference I think is The most important which is kind of
24:46
the case studies is the folks in the real world who are doing
24:51
Fido, they're killing the password Edge.
24:54
I think what you guys are doing with the phyto alliance, like
24:57
it's just so important it, you know, where's place will be in
25:01
history? I don't know, but I mean we've
25:03
been talking about killing the password for, you know,
25:06
definitely more than a decade. I I think there will be a world
25:10
some day where kids don't know what a day.
25:14
Or what a busy signal looks like or sounds like and they won't
25:18
know what a password is and that's just going to happen but
25:22
the way it's going to happen is by getting to ubiquity.
25:26
It's going to be by chipping away at those.
25:29
And the the conference agenda has a lot of the case studies as
25:35
people in the real world who are getting rid of passwords going
25:38
with Biometrics, going with possession based authentication,
25:43
we're going to have A few of those folks on the on the
25:45
podcast we're going to be able to pull them out next week and
25:49
you know, get an hour of their time but you know what do you
25:54
have to say about those case studies?
25:56
I mean, I think that it seems like it was important enough
25:59
theme that they're kind of strewn throughout the agenda.
26:03
Yeah. Now let's assume great Point.
26:06
Jim multiple I think case that is the most important thing that
26:10
vitalize can provides the community at large to help
26:12
everyone advanced. Pastor was Journeys and getting
26:17
the pass for listed is a journey.
26:18
Not a Sprint for the reasons. We just talked about.
26:21
We're just trying to accelerate that journey and we have some
26:24
great case studies coming up at authenticate.
26:28
It really too many to list but you know Salesforce will talk
26:31
about their beauty implementation.
26:33
Citibank haven't seen this case study yet, talking about rolling
26:36
out, faster with education and 200 million users.
26:40
That came in, that was submitted to us and blown away when I saw
26:43
that message. Mission come through cloudflare
26:46
famously and fought off said the octopus at by using final
26:50
security keys. I'll talk about that targets
26:53
talked about their perspectives on how they're deploying Fido
26:56
and many many more. So you know we strove to have
27:00
case studies reflecting each use case.
27:03
Inside the Enterprise consumers, you this one bedded type work.
27:08
So I think we'll have all those and more.
27:12
After conference, we also have a lot of on-demand content to I
27:14
should I should note that this is this is a hybrid event.
27:18
So we're expecting around for an answer to people on site that
27:20
the same remote. We have some custom content for
27:24
remote attendees. Including some case studies from
27:27
BBVA, Yahoo Japan, and others Seward talking about how they've
27:32
deployed into. So in general any content we're
27:35
sharing at authenticate, will eventually be made available to
27:38
the community at Large? Because case studies are the key
27:42
to I think accelerating deployments for other other
27:46
parties. Yeah I think the case studies
27:48
are all a really good opportunity to ask questions
27:51
too. I remember last year you know as
27:54
people are coming off the stage, kind of talking about their
27:56
things. There was like a rush of people,
27:58
maybe not a rush about the right word, but several people, right,
28:01
who kind of came up and we were asking questions and wanted to
28:04
sort of pick the pick the brain of the person talking about what
28:07
they were working on. I think this is another example
28:08
of that. He also hit something that I
28:12
want to ask earlier is I know it's hybrid right virtual an
28:15
on-site and I think it's basically just answer.
28:17
My question is, is there any difference between the attendee
28:21
types? And it sounds like there is some
28:23
extra things going on for the the virtual attendees.
28:25
They hear that from our attendees also have access to
28:28
the virtual platforms. It's all, it's all integrated.
28:31
It's actually, I'm quite impressed with the platform and
28:34
we're happy to have work last year and knock on wood.
28:36
The word seamlessly this year as well, but we have, maybe, You
28:40
know, 20 different pre-recorded episodes attraction, your 23
28:44
recorded sessions, which should be available.
28:47
Now, to anyone who has the is registered to attend, an
28:52
addition to the, the on-site sessions, which we will record a
28:56
stream live format attendees and makes available on demand as
29:00
soon as we did process them for remote, the attendees as well.
29:03
Yeah, I think that's pretty cool.
29:05
The one thing I'm kind of excited about that.
29:07
I wasn't able to make last year and hopefully I'll be able to
29:09
make This year was the event at the Museum of pop culture, or Mo
29:13
pop. What can, what can I expect as a
29:15
newbie? Never having never been there
29:17
before so we'll valves awesome. It's busy hold.
29:24
If anyone doesn't know the history on this which when a
29:25
people probably don't get Paul Allen that's to founded
29:30
Microsoft. Huge philanthropist, and
29:33
Seattle. Also, huge music, fan, and
29:36
Seattle has a direction. He's history, is everyone should
29:39
know. He found this Museum as a kind
29:42
of homage to Jimi. Hendrix is initially called the
29:44
Jimi Hendrix experience Museum, really cool-looking
29:48
architecture, cool building and then eventually turned into this
29:52
Museum and pop culture which looks at Pop Culture.
29:55
So there's a lot of stuff you know, tied to music primarily.
29:58
So the Seattle music scene is very well documented.
30:00
There there's really neat Devon exhibits, Pearl Jam exhibit.
30:06
This room of all these famous guitars, there's an exhibits, an
30:09
exhibit with looking at hip-hop, but also have pop culture stuff.
30:14
And this year, we've opened up more examples than we had last
30:17
year. They have really creepy kind of
30:21
like horn section. Like, horror movies section that
30:25
you can go to at your own risk. There's another exhibit I think
30:28
on the set designer and the costume designer, who do you
30:31
like, Black panther all this stuff so it's really it's a neat
30:34
place to spend a couple hours after, authenticate water around
30:38
at your own Leisure, we'll have music playing while lots of food
30:41
and drink. It's going to be, it's a really
30:44
fun fun, experiencing a great place to go.
30:47
That sounds really cool and I'm thinking of a nice horror
30:49
segment of like the horror of passwords or something like
30:53
that. Right.
30:54
Esther the identity nerd in me now he can't, I come back.
30:58
So I kick myself for not somehow thinking of that sooner.
31:01
So yeah, that's it. So fun time, so it's a great way
31:03
to wrap up to it. So it's also worth noting that
31:06
authenticated is a three-day conference for the public.
31:08
But it's also Fidos North, imagine member meeting.
31:13
All right, so as a body we meet three times a year once in the
31:15
u.s. once in Europe, Western Asia.
31:17
So we overlap the US conference with authenticate so was the old
31:21
base could basically be like the closing party for authenticating
31:26
attendees. And the welcome reception for
31:28
people only attending the member meeting which takes place
31:31
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, It sounds pretty cool.
31:33
I'm excited to check it out. So I don't know if we want to
31:37
break any news here. But do we do we know where
31:40
authenticate is going to be next year?
31:42
For people complain? Yeah.
31:44
So this will be breaking news. So first of all, this is your
31:47
last chance to get the mo pop with Fido Alliance, at least
31:50
because 2023. We will be in lovely San Diego.
31:55
California in Carlsbad specific place.
31:57
We have a great venue there. A beautiful resort, we're going
32:01
to have Basically run of the property.
32:04
I were expecting the conference we continue to grow.
32:07
We had to turn away exhibitors this year.
32:09
As I mentioned, we're having to turn away attendees this year.
32:11
So we think this has legs to grow by another 50% in 2023 and
32:19
will this we're not even to be a giant copper.
32:22
So we want to find the right size, so that's going to benefit
32:26
the community at large, but yet next year, I think that the
32:29
space we have in San Diego will be really well suited for it.
32:32
Bigger more expanded and mortgage and Conference.
32:35
That's very cool. I'm a fan of San Diego
32:37
especially at the weather. So definitely has my vote.
32:40
So I'm looking forward to attending.
32:41
So, yeah, I guess some exclusive news.
32:43
They're right for people who are listening to the early, the
32:46
Early lessons, early listeners of the podcast just for your
32:49
podcast listeners. You can get an early jump on
32:51
your travel plans before everyone who's in Seattle at the
32:55
event right book. That hotel early and often
32:59
that's usually why the things that goes first All right, so
33:03
we'll start to wrap things up here.
33:04
Is there anything else that you want to bring up around the
33:06
conference? I know this kind of people
33:07
listening to this and probably after the fact it's sort of the
33:09
first day and maybe they're just getting on a flight or just
33:12
getting off a flight or whatever it may be, but anything else
33:15
wanna bring up? No, I'm not.
33:17
We're really looking forward to it.
33:19
I'm going to open the conference.
33:21
It's kind of weird some talking to real time because people
33:23
under 21 Skillet broadcast but we swell two things that I
33:26
learned first of all that a pre-conference workshops this
33:29
year, right? So as we're maturing want to add
33:31
more value to And he's, so if people want to come early on
33:34
Monday, we have two tracks. One is a sponsor by Amazon.
33:38
So, very all with AWS identity, which is super important.
33:42
So I think about how do we scale Fido how to scale fight
33:45
authentication. So you have it readily available
33:47
cloud service that you can influence, and they virtual
33:52
private cloud or what's the rest of your AWS infrastructure is
33:56
incredibly important and very interesting.
33:57
So Amazon will be talking all about AWS identity.
34:02
Separately for those people who are newer to fight it aligns
34:06
itself, we have a whole pre-conference dedicated to
34:09
Fighting Alliance, right. So we're not going to be taking
34:11
up session time, talking about the latest updates and are
34:14
working groups are different bodies for very important.
34:18
So, Monday morning is the time to learn about that and also how
34:21
one may wish to get engaged with photos of member, but beyond
34:25
that, you know, my opening session, I will have a guest or
34:29
two on stage. During their intent to support.
34:35
Pastor listeners, with passkey mucking disclose their names now
34:39
because there's still some things in progress but I think
34:41
there are two very big names. You have been with phyto pretty
34:45
much just the beginning and will now be, you know, helping us
34:49
move on to the next Frontier as well.
34:51
That's very cool. I'm looking forward to that and
34:53
and you mentioned those pre kind of conference things I think Jim
34:56
and I are actually both looking at the AWS Workshop is something
34:59
that we're both looking at attending.
35:02
Kind of getting smarter on, so I am thankful for that education.
35:06
Good, give you good. All right, let's let's end
35:10
things on a lighter note here. I wanted to keep it on the
35:13
Seattle tip for for the kids and here's what we're going to go
35:18
with. So I'm going to list off a few
35:22
famous Seattle, music bands, and you one of these bands has to
35:28
go. Like, they are not invited to
35:30
your party, your wedding. The remote desert island that
35:34
you're going to spend the rest of your life on.
35:36
So you have to drop one and the bands are Nirvana.
35:41
Pearl Jam, Soundgarden Alice in Chains and Foo Fighters.
35:46
One of those has to go the other four can stay Andrew, what are
35:50
you going to go with? Or who are you not going to go
35:52
with is probably the better way to ask it.
35:53
Well, look, I grew up in Seattle, so I'm a Seattle.
35:56
Native under his. I love this tablet offers
35:58
Sarah's, I get to go and I'm not very proud of Seattle's.
36:02
City. And I haven't lived there for
36:04
30. Something years was still, I
36:06
love memories there and and part of growing up in Seattle, in
36:08
fact, like Mike McCready went to high school, right?
36:10
And so I was there in the 90s and all this stuff was emerging.
36:14
I'm a Seattle, has a very rich music.
36:16
See, beyond the Grunge music, there's, you know, Jimi Hendrix
36:19
and Quincy Jones and all sorts of good music.
36:22
So to answer your question, I would say unequivocally its
36:25
heart I'm cheating, heart wasn't on that list but okay, like I
36:33
hear it on any sort of classic rock station, like I have like
36:35
this gag reflex and must change the station right away.
36:38
So all right, I can respect that.
36:40
I feel the same way about Oasis going to play your game.
36:45
Fairly I was Alice in Chains. I also do, that's rough.
36:49
Yeah, it's Alice in Chains and Chris, Cornell's amazing,
36:53
obviously Fighters and Pearl Jam to seems to me, literally.
36:56
So I'd have to go to Alice in Chains and that's a very tough
37:00
decision. So I'm going to stick with her
37:01
sorry. Mr. Wilson Jim.
37:05
How are you going to drop from the list of Nirvana?
37:07
Pearl Jam. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains,
37:09
Foo Fighters and I guess heart will add a heart to the list.
37:11
Well, yeah. I mean, if you're going to make
37:13
it easy for me right now is this is a tough one, Jeff.
37:17
And I've got so many side stories that go with this.
37:19
I mean, Nirvana pretty much changed my life right, it hit
37:24
right as a freshman in college, which is Is like the best time
37:28
of your life. It was for me anyway, so they're
37:33
definitely staying on the list. Pearl Jam was like right there
37:36
as well. I was never a huge Soundgarden
37:39
fan but there are a lot of their songs that I like, I'll soon
37:44
change those a huge Alice in Chains fan, but one of my size
37:47
stories was, I love them so much and I I brought dirt CD it was
37:53
on CD home. When I went home for, you know,
37:57
Break and I play for my dad. And one of the songs is called
38:01
Junk head raised. Like, where's my drug of choice?
38:04
My dad's, like, what is this crap?
38:07
And I was like, oh yeah, I guess like, this isn't the kind of
38:09
music. My dad wants me listening to,
38:11
but I would have to keep Alice in Chains on the list and Foo
38:15
Fighters shows like so many awesome songs.
38:18
So if I had to pick one other than heart, it's going to be
38:23
Soundgarden. Okay?
38:25
I can respect that. I guess of the list for me, I
38:29
hate to say it, but Pearl Jam, I like Pearl Jam, but I like the
38:35
other bands better. I don't know what it is, but for
38:40
whatever reason, I just can't get behind some of the more
38:43
recent Pearl Jam stuff that's been out there.
38:46
You know if you talked about like you know versus and 10 yes
38:50
but those are really the only two albums that really kind of
38:52
did anything for me. What version 10?
38:55
Yeah I mean I don't want to take a project.
38:57
Think of 10, I think Eddie vedder's voice.
38:59
I mean, they've got the guys, just unbelievable.
39:03
Oh yeah. Totally talented.
39:05
And and actually there's one song that I actually like out of
39:08
all those, and that's been the black circle, it's not even on
39:11
the first. It's not even on either this to
39:12
balance on Vitalogy. I think it is.
39:15
Yeah, well, you know, any better chamber of San Diego, and so
39:23
there's a little rivalry between sad set, Seattle San Diego, but
39:25
I do better. So now, you know, No, there will
39:27
be rather ear and authenticate. Also, that's going to be too as
39:31
we move to San Diego next year, right?
39:34
Yeah, exactly. Where we have like a
39:36
neighborhood who really owns the Fido Alliance conference.
39:40
It's like, they're probably his heart, but if I do, like, if we,
39:43
if we hear heart playing at the authenticate conference, we know
39:46
Andrew didn't pick that music selection.
39:49
You'll know the answer got fired.
39:50
If that happens. Yeah, dinner gonna logged in.
39:52
We're gonna love. No.
39:53
Pop, I can't wait to see you there and it's Nirvana exhibits
39:58
really, really neat and the Pearl Jam.
40:00
Groom often throw Jaffa man. Locked the door.
40:02
It's really cool also. Okay, I can respect the talent.
40:06
Yeah, that's tough choice, talk tough question and I cheated,
40:09
but that's very tough question. Jeff.
40:11
You did, you find a way around the rules?
40:13
All right, let's go ahead and wrap things up for this week.
40:15
Let people get on with the conference.
40:16
Hope they enjoy it. Like, like Jim, and I think
40:19
we've all kind of mentioned will be there.
40:21
So, feel free to come up and say hi, trivia, fun fact, Andrew,
40:25
last year, at a fennec. Eight was the first time I ever
40:26
had a Sister come up to me and say listen.
40:29
So it was all so awkward for me. So I apologize to that listener
40:33
for payment for the interaction. I've got better at it.
40:36
This podcast is absolutely awesome and you're following is
40:38
growing and I give you guys a lot of credit and, you know, I
40:41
appreciate this opportunity but it's great to see the podcast
40:45
grow mature and, and your band your base grow as well.
40:48
And it's well deserved. Yeah, and we appreciate the
40:51
support you get us, you know, especially setting aside.
40:53
So you don't little spot for us to kind of do.
40:55
Our thing is very cool and helping us get So the feeling is
40:58
it's all on this side of the table and some bullshit.
41:01
Well, would you say you do? Here we make hit records and put
41:06
on Golden podcast pants. That's what we do.
41:09
All right, so we're going to go ahead and leave it for this
41:11
week. Hope everyone is enjoying the
41:13
conference will. Hopefully, we'll see people at
41:15
the conference and, and down the road as well.
41:19
You can check us out on the web. We're at identity, if the
41:21
center.com, or on Twitter at IDC podcast, you've got a fennec 8
41:26
Khan. Dot-com is the website for the
41:29
authentic, a conference itself. Then you've got fight Alliance
41:32
F, Ido Alliance dot-org to learn more about all the fine work,
41:36
that Andrew and crew are doing to get rid of the password and
41:41
maybe someday be able to enter something into the mo pop
41:44
around. The horror of passwords is some
41:45
sort of weird identity, nerd exhibit or something like that.
41:50
So we'll go ahead and leave it that.
41:52
Thanks everyone for listening and we'll talk with everyone in
41:55
the next one. Thanks for listening to the
42:00
identity at the center podcast. If you like what you heard,
42:03
don't forget to subscribe and visit us on the web and identity
42:06
at the center.com.