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We Are Late But Here are Our #Keyforge #VTPhilly Predictions · Archons Corner

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Less Wookie like hard pushes us out, what do you like? Normally they
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get it a week later, so they're gonna be hearing us make predictions after.
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It's still no after, but that's the best part, right, so
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they could No, I'm probably released this earlier than normal because obviously now it's
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time sensitive, so it is one of us. And yeah, I say
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we make our predictions anything this weekend, so you know, talk about the
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vault and then we have the last like twelve questions on him. I'm gonna
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watch four people maniacally with is what I'll be doing this weekend. I don't
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know, Like, I am not feeling like a win. I didn't think
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I was gonna do shit at KFC either though. I was just there to
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play unchain and I'm excited about unchained again. I'll go win unchained regardless.
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Are they doing Yeah, I think so. They at least are for gen
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Con. I assumed they are for this. Is that kin that said you're
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willing to play on chain games? Yeah, what did you ever got?
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What did you ever get for being the unchained champion gives? Yeah? I
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think I got like in I think pile. Yeah, yeah, I was
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gonna rush people pack that ship. For me, it was a pile of
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decks when I got home. I don't know what how many decks I got
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for which of it. It was just a bunch of decks, but I
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got a whole pile of unchane decks, which I assume was for winning that.
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And I got a whole pile of Vodex, which was I assume you're
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winning though. Hi, this is Michael Hurley from Ghost Galaxy, and you're
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listening to what's going on everybody. I am on the only wo Okay,
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I eat. We're one misfit short of a happy meal again. Jared had
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to go to night night. I'm assuming he just said he was out,
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but I'm assuming he's going to bed because you know, him and Sheep got
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to get up at the butt crack of dawn tomorrow to make it to Philadelphia.
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I didn't think it was that far, but clearly they're going. They're
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going all out. But we got z what's up? Ze? Hey,
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Hey, I am here. Um. I think Sheep and I were talking
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about JR. Needs to spend this time with his family, and Sheep and
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I agreed that our family just don't care about us as much. This long
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day. What are we calling it? I forgive it's unrealistic fanaticism. No,
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what are we calling it? Irrational? Irrational fanaticism, fanaticism combined with
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irrational logic. My wife is texting the crap out of him right now,
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share me not um? And then who else we got here? I hear
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drazz course so drast course here? Yeah? And I think she was playing
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still playing key Forge? Yeah, he literally started a game right as we
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as I hit record, he started a game. Like god he finished,
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we could start through, But what's up ship playing key Forge? Yeah?
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Okay, we all know what you're doing at more more times than not.
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But we decided, I'm we just well, actually everyone else decided that I'm
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going to rush this episode out because we want to do predictions. So I
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don't Drazz Corps. What kind of predictions were you looking to do? Yeah?
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Yeah, I want us to predict what we think is going to happen,
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predict what we think we're gonna see. There. Um, let's start
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with the simple one, right, Like, we have two events. We
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have ARCon, we have Alliance. Like, first of all, those are
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the only two events that are op so, like, how many people do
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you think we see for OP like that's a prediction. Yeah, so you
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want you want to write these down in the notes? Drass car, I
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got you, I got you. Oh listen. That way we can come
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back next week and see how wrong we were. Total OPI players. Oh,
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total OP players one hundred and eleven. Oh wow, Wookie says one
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hundred and eleven. Drass, Well, how many were how many were at
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I don't know if I tell your numbers to be wrong. We don't have
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a walk by here, bro sheep. How many people? Ope? Total
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sixty seven seven. I was thinking just below one hundreds, So I'm just
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go with a cool ninety. You guys are all more pessimistic than me.
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What happened. It's just math, though, Like I keep talking to people.
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I talk a lot of people right online Discord games, and everyone I
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talked to is like, I just couldn't make this date. I don't know
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if that's something to do with it being the earliest one, or the fact
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that there were two back to back, and probably because later Billy, the
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fact that because it's one of the four most dangerous cities in our country.
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I don't know, isn't like a second only to like for I don't know,
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I don't know what I think of dangerous cities in the country. We
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have Detroit, Oakland to Saint Louis and right, like New Orleans is way
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up there. You forgot about Milwaukee. Milwaukee is definitely on the least hair,
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Definitely, it's definitely right Baltimore, Milwaukee, Little Rock, Arkansas and
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yeah, little Rock, Arkansas, they'll cut you. Memphis Rocks, I'll
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tell you with the Rocks. Yea Albuquerque in Cleveland. Well that's because of
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Walter White, right, Yeah, So I'm looking at this total Sealed Alliance
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Players was one hundred and nineteen and sealed our kind of Sealed Players was thirty
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eight. So what I was saying was like, when I talked to people,
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there were two days. There were weeks. Talked to like seven people.
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I talked to a lot of people, Well okay, but there were
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two days that are were a week apart, and a lot of people had
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booked or were planning on making the week that was the second week, which
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was later including like my like, you know, a couple of locals here
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and that's the date they got moved, and then they just moved that date
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and they're still planning on going to that one, but they didn't rebook to
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go to Philly. I think I should also, I should also read our
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Bob Barker rules and effect No, no, it's just gonna be who is
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the Yeah, no, all right, those rules were stupid. Then I
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don't understand. I'll take by the way. I found the longer list,
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and Philadelphia is rank twenty ninth twenty by per capita. It's just dirty there
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um, which is below Milwaukee by quite a bit. It's below your Houston
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ze. Houston's twenty three, big news. That's just that one part of
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Houston, all right, makes that really really bad for that party. Rights,
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we're not gonna go, guys. I see you're you're saying this is
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just our kind of alliance, not total participants. Oh yeah, that's total.
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This is the next part. All right. So Wookie, you said
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I thought we were saying total. I thought you were saying one d total?
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How many for our like? What person? Like? What's your percentage
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for our con? Was percentage? My grab a calculator here real quick.
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You don't have to give me a number, just give me a percentage.
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I think it's going to be right around eighty five percent art Coon and the
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rest is going to be Alliance. You know what? That's that's high because
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I know there's a lot of people that were thinking, like, I don't
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have an art conduct. I'm gonna go out my gut feeling. My gut
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tells me sixty forty. All right, sixty forty. That's right, my
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gut tells me. And I know that's gonna be. I know it's gonna
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be more heavily ARCon than it will Alliance. But we'll see dress what do
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what do we got from you? Uh? Well, sixty five percent ARCon
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came to mind? I'm like, should I differentiate myself from the Wookie Moore?
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But I'll stick with what pop to mind? Yeah, all right,
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Dan, how much art? What's the percentage for Arkon? It ignore the
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fact that you just hate Alliance? What how many foot percentage do you think
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will play ark On A sixty six percent? All right? I think I'm
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actually tied with Wookie here. I think we're going to consistently see going to
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Alliance, even though that a lot of us don't care for it. M
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I think sixty forty is a solid number. I think we will continue to
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see around that that's basically what we saw at KFC. I don't remember the
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numbers from KFC, but when we looked at it, it ended up being
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close to forty percent, and I'm thinking we'll see that again. So I'm
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with Wookie on this. I might be I can see it going. I
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don't know, Like, I feel like Alliance is number one, so new
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and so like it just makes people feel like they got a chance because they're
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like looking all this fun stuff and I got a chance. And in reality,
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it's exactly what you guys have been saying. Yeah, I think there
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is some of that, but no matter what, you will always feel like
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you have a puncher's chance because you are like, if you have over one
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hundred decks, you probably can make something that's pretty crazy and there's a chance
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that wins the games, and there's a chance that it hits wall. So
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like, who knows. We actually just need a lot more data as far
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as Alliance goes, especially with a brand new set dropping, that is likely
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to change a lot of things. Um, all right, so that's a
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pretty good prediction. We're actually really close on the split. We're pretty far
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apart percentage wise on the number of attendants. But like a reigne of sixty
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to sixty six percent for ARCon and thirty three percent for Alliance is actually really
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really closed each other there, all right. I have a hypothetical question in
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the same all right for you guys. Yeah, yeah, there were three
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events and one of them was sealed. Would be the breakdown sealed with fifteen
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percent Alliance ten percent ar Coon, I said, But if there was sealed,
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I do think slightly over half of the entire total would be playing sealed.
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I think we would see somewhere between fifty and fifty five percent planes sealed,
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and then like thirty twenty plane ARCon in Alliance. I think right now
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it would be high. It'd be like seventy five percent playe sealed, of
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just because of low because because new set, Yeah, we'd probably get internationals
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flight in here so they could get it before their team out. So actually
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I was thinking, actually the opposite. I think because the set hasn't come
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out, we're going to have fewer casuals here. We're still gonna have some,
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but we're gonna have fewer. So I was going to say fifty percent
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sealed, thirty ARCon twenty Alliance, but I think once the set launches and
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later vault toros attract folks that are returning. I think that fifty percent increases.
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I think we're all. I still think seal would dominate, just just
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just because you always feel like you have a puncher's chance and sealed, well
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it's the most fun. They should just have both formats running side by stod
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and not side by side. But yeah, like the classic vaults where they
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were sealed and or ARCon or you're saying and or and then the next day
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can be arc on Alliance like that store for Like the fact that there's not
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a big sealed event at gen Con is my boggling. It is because like
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I guess, do they not let I don't know, never mind, I
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always say do they not like money? Like because you could definitely charge more
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for a sealed event, do you know what I mean? Like you could
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chart right or maybe they couldn't have product ready in time too, you know,
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because that would be a big thing. Alliance is going to bring back
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all the old players, right, so yeah, how old hold on,
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you've done this before? All right? So all right, let's I don't
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know even know how to get personal like we we have like um, I
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don't want to go like full set prediction, like what's gonna be there?
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Um, let's say in top eight, yeah, top top eight? What
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how many who decks? Two? Whoa decks? Draft carse saying he says
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to no, that was drast car. That's definitely oh yeah, top eight
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zero mm hmmm, Wookie, I was also gonna I I agree with Sheep,
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but to distinguish myself, I will go with one. Oh that's what
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I was. I was gonna go one, I said, I've said one
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a long time ago in our our thing. Um, I think we see
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one top eight wow deck this weekend, and at gin Con I already said
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we I expect to see two or three. Um. I might be actually
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updated those predictions based on recent data. Um, but I'm expecting one top
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eight this weekend from woe. So in the field, how many do you
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see? Though? Yes, that's what we probably will never be able to
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get that in for me, I don't know how, and we don't know
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how GG is like because FF was always real good at handling info. I
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mean, Luke is there this time too. I think the data will be
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there as far as what is registered for this event. So why I I
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believe like Luke was always real big on that data um before right before you
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even joined. There's something that's good to look at. Yeah, he's well,
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I mean on our server has been JM, but he has been involved
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data UM A number or a percentage. Let's just do let's do two because
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do what for cent? Yeah? Because like MM is king right now,
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we know the rest of the numbers are lower. What percent MM? And
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what versus what percent? Who? For the whole field? Dress give me
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a percentage you think from MM, which dominated in KFC, was like yeah,
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yeah, I'm gonna say it's fifty percent all right, yep, and
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that WHOE is going to be twenty percent. Then the rest is the mix
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of the rest. Okay, what percentage of the ARCon do you say will
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be m M yeah fifty What about whoa em person four out of the four
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wookie am um, I think you're gonna see fifty five percent? MM?
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What about WHOA I think you're gonna see like five percent? Well, it's
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just too new, all right. I think we're gonna see more WOA decks
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than with Q all are thinking, so I think we're MM numbers isn't dropped
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to forty and we're gonna see like twenty five percent whoa, and then the
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other sets are just gonna take a hit. But there's money on the line
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too, right, and what was unproven where MM is very proven. I
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don't. I don't know how many people are coming because of money though,
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right right, Like I haven't. I haven't. When I'm talking to people,
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I always like, yeah, I'm going to this because I can win
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money. Okay, because they can win money, you know, Like that's
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good, but like that isn't. Like I just don't people seeing people playing
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some really good looking wow decks that I know are going to this event this
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week. And most of the time people are only playing certain decks this week
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for a reason. That could just be they're just messing around or whatever,
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But like, some of those decks look really really good, and I think
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lots of people are playing these WO decks against old decks and winning more than
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we thought that they would this early, because when it comes down to it,
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there's only like twenty thousand MM decks in the system, and there's a
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ton of them that are performing very well. Look, it's really really good
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decks. So my question to you, then, sheep, is let's say
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Fraud's off the table for you. Let's just say you don't have it.
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What would be what would be your next go to deck? You'd bring this
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WO deck I'm playing right now. Does it have Smith in the name?
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It certainly does as a matter of fact, Like that's exactly what I'm talking
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about. They're decks like Sheep's named decks down like a minus. Decks in
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the field that we know are like a minus from every standard that we can
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name. They are that good, and those decks beat them. Maybe I
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should just bring my X ray Sucks deck. I think I think rays.
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I think you should just crack a random WO deck while you're there. It's
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rock and roll. Just just be like, isn't that kind of good?
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But like it is good enough to this we're talking about right with the resealing
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glue, YadA YadA. So I think drafts Corpse stands a better chance if
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his deck is sealed. Like that's just how these things, That's just how
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these things work. Like, yeah, you know, we just wanted to
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make sure that we're making sure that e Walk isn't using a deck that has
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offensive upgrades and will be fine. Oh yes, isn't giving them away to
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friends. Um, we gotta in the live chat. DT making a comeback?
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Sorry, Wallaboo not gonna happen. Yeah, at arn zero percent,
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that's how could it make a comeback? It was never was. Yeah,
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it's gotta listen to LLL quol J. Don't call it a comeback. Yeah,
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like you have been there to even be a mean? Yeah? Like,
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how many guys you think we're even gonna see for DT? Like I
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don't think a single deck gets registered? That is dark time. No,
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you'll be alliance, all right? How many? How many dot decks?
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I think you'll at least zero too. It's not zero. It's not right
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to be zero. There are still think AOA is the best, all right.
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I think we should do DT and AOA because I'll guarantee you there will
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still be Well, that makes it harder because jinca is a real thing.
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Like that's not like anyways. The other random percentage is GINCA decks Like that's
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what that is? Okay, I say zero DT decks, Wookie, what
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do you say too? Two grass? Well I was gonna say zero,
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but now I'm wondering if Wabbleo is bringing a Wallaboo will not be no,
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okay, catswer's typing. Maybe they'll bring one. Come on, um zero
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one, zero, okay, sheep. How many DT decks in ar con
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zero? Can you have a negative number? Yeah? The first one that
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gets rid of who counts as negative? You just wasted a hundred books.
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I mean, joker isn't so and even Yeah, I think it's moved on
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to woe and it's given up on trying to make dark tidings of thing.
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Casey'll be there. Well, we're gonna have X right. He likes all
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right, you mean the bottom of the beaker. Guys like what GT right.
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I don't know what we could predict about Alliance does I'm not well what
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set wins Alliance? Like, that's the best that we could do winning set?
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Mm hmmmmh draft is ready, sheep. U I'm gonna I'm gonna give
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it to the code of this time code now because they just jank control the
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wakes out many wookie mm hmmm. I have no idea. Um, I'm
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gonna go out on a limb. It's a aa. I I'm gonna have
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to go. I gotta, I gotta. I don't want to. I
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don't want to. I don't I don't. I don't want to be like
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the rest of y'all. Like I mean, I don't hate the AOA prediction
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right like like Awa, and it's been some bobs. Isn't like there's I
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don't know if Abia will be there, but I know Joe won't be there.
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I would have had a higher chance to pick away if I knew Joe
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was gonna be there. Well, Sydney will be there, and I do
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believe Sydney is bringing anyway. Oh, Sydney's away, it's pretty good.
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It's pretty good. She she has been putting in the work and and that
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actually her fans. I'm gonna put ac Chat says, oh well, being
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that Sydney did post a picture of herself wearing an AC shirt today. I
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am traveling in an hs h F F S shirt tomorrow. I tried to
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put that on but it didn't fit like the rest of my clothes, so
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we got some rapill make it fit. I'm not going for the sausage effect.
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Um, I'll just be had. Don't worry about it all right,
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world's collided with one of those ones that kind of flies under the radar right
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now too, Like there's still decent. World's collided out there? Yeah yeah,
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decent typically is the word you use when you talked about stuff that's just
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not that good. Yeah that's true. Yeah, like that, But that's
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kind of the one that's like nobody's like, everybody's still we're still talking about
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mm everyone's Oh whoa is so good. I'll I'll see it when, I'll
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believe it when I see it. But like, world's collided is still out
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there and it can do some dumb stuff if you're allowed to fiddle. Yeah,
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what else you want to predict? What else is there to predict?
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I mean, technically we could predict a winner. We've never done that.
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I know I'm always predict nova. But she will not be there, doctor,
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She's not gonna win. I have a prediction. I like your prediction.
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I think I would predict that. I think, I mean, you
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make you think the secondary market goes crazy because she takes back his money,
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saying sheep, don't put that on sheet wallaboy. The in the AC live
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chat says Z versus me versus sheep in the finals, and I have greatful
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draw luck against Sheep. It's just always been a thing and I ain't gonna
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lie, Like, if that happens, we're going nuts like that, We're
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going you will never hear the end of it, just like that one guy
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who's like, what have you guys ever done? Be like, ah um,
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I don't. I don't even know where to start with that question because
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because like right now, it's like, do you want a laundry list of
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both, like Wookie's done all these things between like a lot a lot of
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people have done a lot of things. But yeah, either way, Um,
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I'm I'll be rooting for all you guys. I have to work all
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weekend anyways, so good time. So I have to go to work and
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then from work to party. Sounds like fun, right, guys, party
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I will have. We're just gonna go from party to party. I'm gonna
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have roughly a dozen teenage girls at my house on Saturday, and I'm contemplating
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suicide. No oh god, We're gonna get some alerts on our feed now
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I was not an actual been real guys. I can't do it no more.
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All right. My prediction for winter, for Arc on his Sheep,
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and for Alliance, As much as I would love to fix it, I'm
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gonna pick Jared. I really like what he's bringing. So that's my pick.
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M Look, he says all of us, well for for ark On
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and ali ar Kind, I'm gonna go. Shoot, I'm just gonna put
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it on Sheep. I'm rooting. I'm rooting hard for Sheep, and I'll
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go with Sydney. I'll take Sydney. I like what she's bringing. Drafts.
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Oh, Jason's a good one too. That was my other that was
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my other one with Jason Sheep. You're gonna pick yourself. Drazz Core is
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gonna finally high roll. He has played enough wraps on that deck and it
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shs the bad form constantly. It's time for it to just just go.
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And yeah, I don't. Now we'll see. So I have a Brio's
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Arc deck with Whirlpool that seems really bad here. Brows, Well, you
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should just you should just discard the brows Arc, right, that's how it
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works. Yeah, no, no, oh, you discard the world Sheep?
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Who who ends Alliance Theater? One of our guys? Yeah, I
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mean plenty of folks that are gonna be there who are not just us.
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Well, I don't just us is playing it? Yeah, yeah, I
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mean it's sixty forty Jason Sydney, Who do we ask you the sixties?
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I mean you can, you can ask whatever you like, all right,
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unless our audience has anything else people they want us to try to predict about
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this. Um, I think we can head into the I guess we've always
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done our hopes and dreams for the experience, Like what do we hope to
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see there? Like, I hope to see something we've gotten almost nothing about
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prising. I know there is money. My hope is that we do see
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something really cool and fun there to win from, like the Friday of it,
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we're gonna play and whatever. The second Amber event is what I'm saying,
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like some some interesting prizing that is not just cash or decks. If
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it is deck's fine, whatever, I get it and cash. You guys,
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let me know. I'm interesting, I'm interested, everyone is interested in.
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The answer is no, You're all welcome for having that knowledge of event.
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Oh you already know this. There is that Well, no reason that
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they would do that. I mean that would be gets irresponsible for them as
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a company too off a previous company's debt. Yeah, but now now there's
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no shards in the environment, right, So anything you want to do that
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involved shards now you just gotta pay money. No, that doesn't work that
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way. All right, I'm giving up a key Forge. I'm losing to
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Dark Tidings again. Oh no, that does mean you should probably just quit.
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So also, my names Nack is Beck's all be all right, let's
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move into the finals of the AMA. We got a handful of questions here
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we didn't get to last week, so we'll starts. What's your favorite key
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Forge podcast besides yourselves and why? I'm gonna go with Help and feat Yourself
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because that's the only other podcast I'm aware of the existence. So that's my
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reason. I feel like this one was softballed in here for Ewok so he
30:07
could rail off every damn podcast in the world that he's not here, so
30:15
they get my there is only one other podcast. I want my answer to
30:22
be these answer other people do us I so, so the real answer is
30:30
going to be help from Futureself. I will say that I've started listening to
30:36
about on the Beaker and I've been enjoying it. Um, so I'll throw
30:41
that out there. Is the who is that I need a name before them?
30:48
That's JT. Russell and quick Draw. I know almost all the people
30:52
in Keyboard I have no idea. If they are a content creator, most
30:56
of the time I will go with the last of the remaining ogs and h
31:03
ffs as well. So it's the last of the ogs. That's it.
31:10
There's no more Bonds of Death. Quark Sanctimonious hasn't been around in a while.
31:15
M I know what's his name is launched a new show. I have
31:19
gotten a chance to listen to it. Yeah, what's his name is?
31:23
Lots of his show, Zach is launched talking about Zach. I see see,
31:27
I actually see that because it hits the Facebook. Like so, I
31:30
see, I don't. I've never listened to a podcast, but I do
31:34
see the feed like it pops up on the Facebook. Yeah. Yeah,
31:38
he's Um, I think in general he's targeting well, he is trying to
31:41
target broadly, but he is leaning a lot more towards like trying to bring
31:45
in new players and whatnot and speaking more to them. So, UM,
31:53
I wish explaining stuff a lot more. I wish this platform was a platform
31:56
that brought in new players. It just doesn't. It's just I mean,
32:04
none of us brings Yeah, It's like it's like, how many players do
32:09
we chase away? Should that be better. It's just the medium, Like,
32:15
how would a podcast exclusively to the player base for the player base ever
32:22
grab a new player like that isn't really line up. Yeah, I mean
32:28
I don't think it's so let me rephrase. It's not like I've never played
32:31
the game. I'm going to download this and listen to it, right,
32:34
I think it's more for Hey, I've played the game a few times,
32:37
picked up a few decks. Hey, let me check this out. Hey,
32:39
somebody said this is a good podcast to get started with. It's Bite's
32:44
eyes, right, and I think that's what it's going for, not not
32:49
the Yeah. I just randomly downloaded this and now I love key Forge.
32:52
Yeah yeah, yeah. If I had if there were forty eight hours in
32:58
a day and I only needed to sleep four hours of them, I've got
33:02
a banger idea. It's still beautiful. That means you would be working thirty
33:08
hours. Ah, you're right. I have a banger idea for like YouTube
33:15
videos, just no time to actually produce them, and I don't want a
33:19
half asset, so I just don't do it. But it is what it
33:22
is. If anybody wants to do YouTube videos for ac let me know.
33:29
That's good ideas. Yeah, we know how that goes, all right,
33:31
Yeah, we do know how that goes. Have you ever had any weird
33:35
slash awkward moments involving IRL games of Key Forge? Well, it was just
33:38
one game with x Ray one time. Nobody just me, okay, I
33:45
mean, I don't know. I in Kansas City. It was pretty awkward
33:52
for us to watch you lose to x Ray. What did I lose the
33:55
x ray dras corp Oh, I have one from my wife at origins,
34:06
um. So it wasn't my awkward moment. It was her. Um.
34:08
She was playing. It was the day before the actual vault started, so
34:14
all it was was like side pod stuff, um, and she sits down
34:20
to her Yeah, that would have been her first of all she had gone
34:23
to, so the first event she'd ever played at at any kind of vault
34:28
anything. She sits down and like in the pod, the person that she
34:32
was playing was, in her words were extremely awkward, looks her straight in
34:37
the face and says, I will destroy you, and then from then on
34:42
doesn't say anything for the rest of the match, which she beats him,
34:46
and then like as soon as it's over, he like fumbles the stuff and
34:50
like runs away all like nervous and scared like, and then she immediately comes
34:53
and tells me that exact story, so like that was her awkward moment.
34:58
Is awkward? Yeah, and then I'm sitting there like I've never seen or
35:04
heard that it happened to anyone here before. They will not be like that.
35:08
Don't freak out on me. Um, And the rest of your experience
35:13
was great. It was just that single game. That was the first game
35:15
she'd ever played at anything remotely vault like, and she was like, what
35:21
the hell did you bring me to? Sounds about right? So, yeah,
35:29
playing with sheep is typically awkward. Him grumping, especially when you play
35:34
a strip key for its right. Yeah, I think it's a little weird
35:37
sometimes full wed. He just grumbles. Why do you keep requesting it?
35:42
Oh? I don't know, but that's just how we play around here.
35:45
I didn't know. Um So all right, let's move into I'm gonna go
35:52
to twenty six. What's your claim to being good? Like, what did
35:55
you win that makes you an authority? Besides a mike? Well, I
35:59
want a microphone? Um So, I mean I've played Top eight a couple
36:07
of times. I mean, we can talk pretty loudly z one um KFC
36:15
rascre is one a vault tour. Sheep has placed hime many times in vault
36:21
tours. He came second, Well he's I'm sure he has more than just
36:25
one second place finish. I'm sure he's got a couple of top eights in
36:28
there too. Yeah. I got a top it, I got a second,
36:31
and then I won one of the KFPL things and then I won money
36:39
at the Kansas City Opens and didn't keep any of it. I came second
36:46
to dress. So if if you if you win, if you win this
36:52
weekend, are you just gonna let him keep the money? Oh? No,
36:59
no, no, I will not in this case because that means what
37:02
you're donating to gg make me partner and then Sheep can start making decisions.
37:12
No, that's not gonna happen. They're like, this is your entire salary
37:15
for the year. Three grand. There you go. Yeah, they'd be
37:19
like, yes, if I got to make some decisions, I might like
37:23
I can't work a four hour work week, but just keep me in on
37:25
all the important decisions. Maybe, um do we want? Okay, why
37:34
does my actual initially Answers of question twenty six the very first time I read
37:38
it. None of loss on this cast, of my knowledge, has ever
37:42
said any of us are good. We talk about why we suck all the
37:45
time, like our longest we don't do it anymore, but our longest running
37:51
skit was why we suck. It keeps right, Like people still ask me
37:57
about that stuff sometimes, like, well, this is I set, this
38:02
is true, all of it. I gotta make sure my I just unplugged
38:06
by Mike for some reason. I'm gonna make sure it's the right one.
38:08
Yep, that's the right one. Okay. I don't know how it kind
38:12
unplugged or what happened there, but it did. Yeah, I mean it's
38:15
This is also true, so um, oh my god, I didn't even
38:21
love this bad deck. I'm plane has double of the Blacksmith Guy, which
38:24
is everybody gets to draw or make a doping creature. Yeah, they discard
38:29
every single time, but every time against me. I'm just like, yes,
38:34
thank you, I take my drawer, killed the guy, Thanks for
38:37
the free card, thanks for the fish. Yeah. Um wow, this
38:45
is I'm agreeing with. This is also true. We never really said like
38:50
we're this great, end all be all, No, and this show was
38:55
never really about being the greatest or best there ever was. That's never our
39:02
mission statement, nor has it ever been it. I'm really kind of curious.
39:07
We're just here to talk about competitive keyboard. We're just here to talk
39:09
shit. Really, that's all we don't we meant degraded. I don't know,
39:16
we mean little to none of it so bad. I don't ever want
39:23
my name decked again, your name deck or your kid's named deck. My
39:30
my named after me? Doctor, my name suck worse than yours. So
39:36
I don't hear it. We all knew this was coming. Do we not
39:38
all just say like, do we Not'll be like, well, they're all
39:42
gonna suck anyway, don't just pretty good? Yeah? My my x ray
39:49
sucks deck is not bad. So you know, the other day I see
39:52
x ray an live, so I'm like, I'm enjoyed this game. I
39:55
enjoyed the game. What do I load up my x ray sucks deck?
40:00
It was that master x ray sucks. Was that what you're talking about?
40:04
Yes, yes, that's great. You're welcome back. Straight. It was
40:07
the best game I watched in two weeks. It was amazing. You alcome
40:12
x ray all right? Why does Wisconsin have the best key Forge players.
40:17
She I don't know submitted those questions. I think this was. I think
40:24
because cheese makes good key Forge it does. But I believe this was.
40:31
Oh again, I'm drawing names on online names. Caffeine Buzz, he's he's
40:37
also a Wisconsin player. M hm, I figure figure. He also has
40:40
excellent taste in beer. Oh, now we're talking. He does. He's
40:45
probably Wisconsin. Did you expect anything less? I mean, let's be honest.
40:52
Um, this is what I've been calling the Harry Carry question all week.
40:57
If you were a token creature, look creature, would you be Oh
41:00
gosh, so look ahead all these questions? Uh. As much as I
41:08
travel over these events, I'm kind of like a homebody, so or like
41:12
stay at home. So I guess I would be the damn shell. I'm
41:17
gonna fight, I'm not gonna reap, I'm gonna just stay in my house.
41:25
Um, this is I was gonna go with Berserker more dar to the
41:31
fact that I've had way too many energy drinks most days. All Right,
41:38
she has got to be the crumpus, right, I might be the diplomat.
41:49
I could I could be the raider had handed out ember to everybody I'm
41:54
only poisonous sometimes has got to be what. Oh yeah, I was gonna
42:04
say that Ewok might be the diplomat because he's always the one that's, you
42:07
know, trying to like make peace between everything. Fine, yeah, but
42:10
the Draft Corp experience is very like diplomat thing, schmoozing people like, Yeah,
42:15
tickets on sale now, by the way, all right, it turns
42:19
out sold out, never mind sold out in thirty six seconds. Weird?
42:27
Uh, all right? When good answers? When I saw the good answers?
42:34
Good? When are you going to play the beep Beep I'm a Sheep
42:38
song as an intro to the to an episode, Oh weird, I just
42:42
did. Thanks, thanks for choosing the song to is. This is how
42:47
it works. We just like go into the type of suggestion that it's a
42:52
thing. You know, I used to in the Patreon and I've done it
42:54
in the past, be like, what song do you want to hear on
42:58
on AC this week? And I'd get then I would always vote no song.
43:01
Yeah, she always says no song because music is a waste of our
43:08
precious time. As a matter of fact, without without the Patreon, man,
43:14
there are too many ads in our show don't there. There's three They're
43:21
like every ten minutes, it's there. All sign up for the Patreon at
43:28
they're always like totally weird too, and like somehow it's my club. It's
43:36
weird. Yeah, yeah, it's like from your local area. But it's
43:38
like something that you definitely don't need, it's weird or have any interest in.
43:44
Yeah, I've had that Women's health services. That's like a thing that
43:47
I uh tend to get promoted, so you're not health probably. I live
43:57
with three women, so I think I like it stopped, but like there
44:01
was like three months where I told my wife that too. It was like,
44:05
I think my internet thinks I'm a girl right now, because like Pandora
44:07
was giving me like ads and like iding things those like eventually it stopped,
44:13
But I totally get what you're saying, because like your Facebook feed is like
44:17
why is this here? I don't need more younger pands. But those dude
44:22
looked us like yeah, yeah, we're sorry. I don't need that.
44:27
I don't put the ads in the episodes or where they go. Literally I
44:31
click data mining. Yeah, it's strategically annis the worst spot to place them.
44:39
Yeah, like in the middle of the sentence. It's the middle of
44:43
the sentence. We all know this. Go on yeah, and like literally
44:46
they're like, would you like ads in your episode? And you click yes
44:50
or no, and then it just does. Know how many gallers are?
44:54
Are ads getting us more than one? More than one? More than one?
45:00
That's for sure? Well? Is it less than two? Because I
45:05
would play two dollars? No other people? All right, Well, the
45:08
next question, we all hate DT. You hate DT, I hate DT,
45:15
he hates DT. Everybody hates DT. This isn't true. But who
45:20
is the biggest DT hater you know? And why they hate hate ust the
45:24
mostest I know? I actually have an answer, like I actually liked playing
45:31
DT sealed. I don't just say or share that much anymore because we're way
45:37
past that in our lives. But I did enjoy playing in any sealed environments.
45:42
But GG killed sealed anyway. Um, yeah, I think the biggest
45:47
DT hater I know of is actually NOVA. If you don't believe me,
45:52
go look at the SaaS scores for all DT, every single one. I
45:55
look at the last time a single DT card has been edited. That'll be
46:02
my proof. That's a good answer. I accept that answer because if it
46:07
wasn't true, the scores would not be the way they they'd be much lower.
46:13
But anyway, but it is completely lackly a knowledge it even exists,
46:24
all right. I'm not sure where this extra question, this next question comes
46:29
from. Most of it isn't a question. This is easily h This is
46:35
easy actually because they drink the most wiss key and after half a bottle they
46:42
think they are the best. I'm guessing that was a response to another question
46:46
in there that was a response to why does Wisconsin have the best keyboards?
46:51
Players? Got it? Um? What kind of extra Yeah, what kind
46:58
of extra mechanic would you like to see in the future key for in a
47:02
future key forward sets, we have the tides and tokens. I mean I
47:07
say it every time I've asked this because I think we could ask us a
47:09
bit. I want to see the key thing. I want to see colored
47:14
keys matter in a tangible way. I thought those super fun when we saw
47:17
the one card that does it. So I'm looking forward to seeing that,
47:22
although I'm looking forward to it less now that we know what they did to
47:25
the dark like the Tide, So if it's implemented in that way, I
47:30
don't want that if it's implemented on like the kind of the way they leverage
47:35
tokens, and it's all like positive or more positive, or even like the
47:39
red baron it's positive or more like you know, it's both are positive,
47:44
whether it's you or them, and you just have a like a solid base.
47:47
I would be excited to see that sets, along with the sky Pirates
47:52
that I assume would come with that set. That is the mechanic that I've
47:55
been the most excited to about ever since I saw the very first Do you
48:00
guys think maybe it's time to like have a few sets where there isn't some
48:05
sort of gimmick. It's not I get changed me, but maybe we revisit
48:13
a gimmick as opposed to making it. I just I wonder if you say
48:17
that they might go back to Tide be like careful wish. I'm just saying,
48:22
like, okay, so like I get it, Like you have the
48:25
gimmick because of key Forge, like you add a little bits to the games,
48:30
but how many how many little bits? Is man? Too many little
48:36
bits? You know? It already surpassed like my wife's threshold, which is
48:39
one of the reasons why she left the game, Like she she's like a
48:43
purist as far as even board games go, Like she always loves the baseboard
48:46
game and then when we add expansions to it normally turns her off. She
48:51
likes like the original KeyForge has well surpassed her. Her level of tolerance for
48:58
that kind of thing. I just like, we have so much now,
49:00
we have the tie, we have Alpha, Omega. I guess those are
49:05
more keywords, you know. We have enhancements, we have like all these
49:07
things. It's like, is the game getting a little too bloated with just
49:15
that's gonna be a player to player right. Some people say yes, some
49:16
people will say no. Some people like the variant, like the constant freshness,
49:21
some people don't. I oh boy, I said it on an earlier
49:23
cast before. I won't ever sit down and teach a new player like fresh
49:30
off WHOA unless I literally have nothing else or that's the only thing people are
49:35
playing that day, because it does add a whole level of frustration when you're
49:39
teaching someone. I've already tried it, and I've taught lots of people this
49:44
game. Trying to teach the person with Woe as their first game was very
49:47
frustrating to explain to Yeah, I almost think that, like, you know,
49:52
maybe maybe getting a little bit back to basics might be better. But
49:58
you know, I'm just one person, just me. I mean, maybe
50:04
we will see simpler sets. I don't know, but like if we're not,
50:07
we already know we're not going to see a simpler set coming up.
50:08
Well we're adding a new icon and new mechanic. Well what's the new mechanic?
50:13
You have to count your damn discard and your opponents discard the whole game.
50:16
Like, we're not going in that direction, Wookie, I know we're
50:21
not. Just it would be nice to like, you know, maybe maybe
50:23
we just do more with Warden, uh, you know, exulting now.
50:30
I don't know, just like maybe we go back to a mechanic and add
50:32
a little bit to the mechanic. I don't know. So I do like
50:37
the concept of the thirty seventh card being a new mechanic such that it's like,
50:45
Okay, each set has a new thing that it does, and then
50:49
it goes away. Right, the next set won't have token creatures, just
50:52
like this set doesn't have the Tide and so, and then the set after
50:58
that probably won't have home right, like right, right, right, so
51:04
I do like that setup. So whatever my answer would be would be,
51:13
you know something interesting to do with that thirty seventh card um I don't like
51:19
I would. So I thought about this why you guys were talking. The
51:22
thing that was popping into my head was a fun experience we had in ABR.
51:29
Now you wouldn't do it exactly this way, you'd have to do it
51:31
a little differently, but an ABR one time for a whacko jenk thing,
51:37
we did the Artifact week, where each deck would pick an artifact from an
51:43
allowed list that was just always in play. And so if you had something
51:47
where I was like, hey, there's always some it wouldn't be an artifact,
51:51
but always some effect that's in play, and there's a number of different
51:53
effects, or you have to pay an ember or two to trigger the effect,
51:58
and you always, you know, you have that omni ability or something.
52:00
I don't know, something where different decks could have certain sets of effects
52:05
for different houses. Something like that would be interesting. I would almost like
52:10
them to do, like I really want, and I don't. I probably
52:15
couldn't. I've never even asked, though, I really want some type of
52:20
multiplayer key Forge like and then and I continue to argue that we need more
52:29
friends before we need multiplayer key Forge it's called key Forge Adventures there, not
52:35
co op because I've kind of got an idea for like a two headed Giant
52:39
type key Forge gay you know style or you know quote unquote format, and
52:45
then a Commander style format, you know in the key Do you just need
52:49
a format where like you can have your older kids and your wife play at
52:52
the same time with you. Is that what you need? No, I
52:54
just I think again, it depends on where they want to take this game,
53:00
Like a are we aiming more towards the casual market, because then like
53:02
you have a you have a very casual game or play experience, I guess
53:10
because Magic I don't think maybe you can't call it a casual game. Would
53:13
you have a casual play experience and Commander that a lot of people love,
53:17
you know, and two Headed Giant or you know two Headed Giant which a
53:21
lot of people love. Yeah, as people keep building there two or three
53:24
thousand dollars, Commander decks well, because well, because now Commander has now
53:30
become it got out of casual and as becoming more competitive. But you know,
53:38
I don't know that that's The mechanic I would like to see in the
53:43
future is some form of you know, some form of designing. I mean,
53:47
you made alliance, so thank you will come up with I mean the
53:54
whole deck is just under bate and switches, that's right, and pastor grovest
54:00
I mean I did, I had him written down, but never you know,
54:05
who am I going to? Number one? Who do I play test
54:08
it with to find out what's broken? Speak it out in the air,
54:13
like did you as playtesters in the Shadow Government? Well, I mean I
54:16
already gave kind of gave my idea to Hurley or like a key Forge commander
54:21
style deal? Did he laugh? Or he kept the straight face. He
54:22
didn't say anything about it. He just kind of was like, huh,
54:25
it's wise man. Yes, absolutely, over Discord, I could tell he
54:30
started drinking alcohol profusely. Um. But like even like a key Forge commander
54:37
style or not commander, but like two headed giant where you and your opponent
54:42
have you know, two different things, but you play as you know,
54:45
you play as one. Kind of something like that. I would like to
54:49
see that. I think that could be a lot of are we just going
54:55
and then it becomes your new Um, that's I did last time, and
55:00
they made Alliance. So that's what I'm gonna do this time and see what
55:04
happens. I'm just as happy about it as I was Alliance. Which key
55:09
Forge character would you date? And why do you find those healing? I
55:15
don't write the question, I'm just reading it off. Oh, I don't
55:20
know. Do you want to go find out? Going to answer the answer
55:23
the question? I can barely remember whose cards aren't Who's other? Like?
55:36
I don't know who is the most money? Oh? No, quite the
55:43
catch there, old Bruno. I have no idea like even I'm gonna go
55:47
with rad Penny because she's rash. Oh all right, very Um I'm scrolling
55:58
through cards. Um, I'm gonna go with something from Equadon. I mean,
56:02
if we're go Bigger, go home. Oh, we'll go with a
56:06
crazy crab prustacean situation. Why not slugs snails? M hmm, could be
56:12
fun. I think job with the hot style be right? You never you
56:17
don't know? Um? Well, I thought I thought you'd be into uh
56:24
Johnny long fingers. Oh, he's very popular with the ladies. There you
56:29
go, very popular with the ladies. Uh about how about Whisper? I'm
56:37
gonna go with Lord Nvidius whispers a female. I don't have the scolder cars.
56:45
Sure enough, I thought I totally thought she was gonna go Bumble Bird
56:50
still half bad Uncle Bird. No, there's no dating. Mm hmm.
56:58
Can't date anything with Alpha Now your favorite card? Why could they come too
57:05
early? All right? Your favorite key forge? Content creator on YouTube?
57:14
There are content creators on YouTube. Yes, I think Amber Medias does a
57:17
fantastic job. Oh, I do love the one is that was? That
57:24
was pretty good? Yeah, So I I um watch very little like YouTube
57:32
content. Normally when I'm listening to podcasts, I'm like doing stuff, right,
57:36
I'm fixing something around the house. I'm on the lawn like whatever.
57:39
So that's not really Uh now, you can't you can't do You can't write
57:45
code and listen to podcast no, no, no, no, you need
57:47
you need background, you need music with the words, you need Scott uh
57:52
now no, Um, but uh, I don't know. I mean,
58:00
so Dinobot was on my ABR team last season, and so I checked out
58:05
dinabot stuff and I thought he'd a pretty good job. So, um,
58:12
I'll see Dinobot. We all know Z doesn't watch z is never did you
58:19
with the Amber Medes. I have seen the Amber Medes. I've seen two
58:22
of his. Those are the only two youtubes I can recall ever watching.
58:25
So I'll go with the Amber Meds. She you are she pats YouTube?
58:30
What are youtubes? Yea eggsactly? Yeah? You do? You tweet it
58:38
out there? Yeah? Um? Would you all agree we need more cats
58:43
themed key Forge sets? Do we ever have a cat themed key Forge set?
58:47
Yes? There's those cats in that set that nobody cares about, and
58:52
that's a crazy cat lady who makes them coming to play Freddie or something.
58:58
You know, I really wish she could see cat Lady Malkin. I really
59:01
wish she could exhaust a cat and just make it explode and deal damage to
59:06
things. She's she's like the crazy cat lady from the Simpson She was whales
59:13
cats at people. That's me male like cats. But I don't think we
59:20
need a cat. So we're going with an astonishing No. I mean there
59:30
may well be a cat house. We need more like like you know,
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what's the word ones personified anthropomorphic that's right. Yeah, we've got off winds.
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Yeah, I mean, but at the point, like all the cats
59:45
are in untamed more are you talking more like like thunder Now, why do
59:52
we need cats when we got play grants like ThunderCats? Almost? Yeah,
59:59
yeah, ThunderCats might be more from Power Rangers. That's the same thing.
1:00:05
It's not the same thing. Now all right, what are your favorite card
1:00:12
carriers and sleeves? I already know my answer because my favorite sleeves I only
1:00:20
use dragon shields. Period of story. I will never use anything but a
1:00:23
dragon shield all kinds, but I do prefer dragon sleeves. So I'm going
1:00:28
to spend the money. Sheep. Sheep likes to raw dog it. He
1:00:34
just he is bridge shuffling. Oh that's what normally what I do. But
1:00:38
but yeah, Um, as far as carriers, well kind of. I
1:00:43
mean I still using my what was it the that's that's still my favorite all
1:00:50
time, like bag too. I think when they say carriers, I think
1:00:53
they're talking like, do you use like boulder or whatever it is? Um,
1:00:59
the quiver I really like, or like the cuban the deck it's the
1:01:06
deck vault, right, yeah, if that's what we're going for, I
1:01:09
use the keyboard bag. In that bag, I use the uh prism like
1:01:15
the prism box thing that was there for the prime of it. It was
1:01:22
like the not gigantic box but the little box holder. Um. And then
1:01:25
I use a deck vault, not deck books. I don't actually like the
1:01:30
deck books to me are a little bit too big for a single deck.
1:01:35
Um. But I guess I have a few that i'm that are actually still
1:01:38
in those deck books that I like. The deck books I lost my I
1:01:43
only bought one and I lost it, So there's that. Um. But
1:01:46
I still have my my vault so and I still use I need to buy
1:01:50
a new one. This vault seen better days. It's it's been well loved,
1:01:57
so it's it's starting to go out on me. But I need to
1:01:59
get in the deck bolt. So I basically use that I like deck books
1:02:06
and then I just throw them in my back. M hm. So so,
1:02:10
I, like I said, I have got a few different quivers,
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so I really like quivers. The problem is that, um, when you're
1:02:19
traveling to a vault tour. Uh. You know airlines have a personal item
1:02:28
maximum length and the quiver A quiver is an inch too big for delta all
1:02:37
that they have the mini now they do I don't have that. Maybe I
1:02:39
should consider, um, Now, chances are they won't measure and it'll be
1:02:45
fine, but like just the fear of like they do, and definitely taken
1:02:52
a quiver through those Oh I'm sure, Like I I've not had a problem
1:02:58
just carrying a backpack through that they didn't check. But but I think if
1:03:02
you fly one of these super cheapo airlines, I don't know, ye spirit
1:03:09
there here. Yeah, um, you're wearing two shirts. That was more
1:03:16
than permitted. Yeah, that'll be forty seven dollars. So I did just
1:03:22
buy something. It's actually Joe Abr. Joe had it and he's like the
1:03:29
sixth Great it's the game Genic Stronghold two hundred box. So I have that
1:03:37
now, and so I'm gonna be There's a lot of stuff and it's weird
1:03:43
because game Jenic has their own version of the quiver. They have their game
1:03:47
shells I think it's what they're called, um, and they have they have
1:03:52
a larger one which looks like a normal quiver, and they have like a
1:03:54
mini one which is like a third of the size, half the size.
1:03:59
I'm not sure I thought about giving those a shot because they are coming out.
1:04:04
Is so weird, Like because game Getics owned by Asthma Day and it's
1:04:09
like all the stuff they've been coming out with over this past, like all
1:04:12
the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three almost looks damn near designed to be
1:04:17
used for KeyForge. Like they just came out with this token. They came
1:04:20
out with a token silo, which is like that would be almost perfect for
1:04:26
KeyForge, and they came out now they just came out with like just a
1:04:30
normal like token holder which is just kind of like a box and the you
1:04:32
know, same deck shaped dimensions or deck box shaped dimensions which you're able to
1:04:39
use m And so I'm probably gonna give them a give a few of them
1:04:45
a shot because I'm interested. But even then, like even some of the
1:04:51
stuff they're coming out with, like they're coming out with life counters that are
1:04:55
oddly reminiscent of chain trackers that look really the good m hmmm. You know,
1:05:01
it's like it was like they were just we didn't know, but now
1:05:05
they're just doing other things with it. It's a shame. But where do
1:05:12
we leave off here? Um, all right, is there an question that
1:05:18
AC crew would like to post to the community. Are they saying, like,
1:05:25
is there a question we want to give it to the give it to
1:05:27
the community. Not our community, but the Communian hold is just why you
1:05:30
not play more key Forge? Yeah? Why you? Why do you not
1:05:33
come to Philly Valtour? It might be we don't know money. It's true
1:05:40
work, money, little girls, little girl's birthday, it's Philly and money.
1:05:45
So I just gave you four reasons and those are all just me.
1:05:49
Hey, we're all thest token things. Can't find them on game jenk Yeah,
1:05:56
um if you go to their website, I don't know. I think
1:06:00
my question if they're actually talking to our specific casting community'd be like, what
1:06:05
what things have we ac done in the past, because we've done a lot
1:06:09
of things, would the community like to see us do more of? Or
1:06:14
again, if it's something that we don't do, that would be more good
1:06:17
one. I'll post the links to what I found um for each one in
1:06:26
the in the live chat, because like, this one's really cool. This
1:06:32
say, because your pillbox is cool at all? But yeah, no,
1:06:36
well I got them in your pox that's not a pillbox. That is a
1:06:41
spoolholder. No no, no, that the pillbox you gave me. Yeah,
1:06:45
that's not a pillbox. It's it's made for um spools of thread.
1:06:51
I got him at Joann Fabrics like years ago. M but big enough.
1:06:59
Yeah, okay, well this token box is lame, so we don't want
1:07:01
that. But the silos pretty cool because it's got the like adjustable trays you
1:07:05
can move things around. Why do they call it a silo. I don't
1:07:09
know, Like silos are typically round and tall. It actually looks cool.
1:07:17
Yeah, I've heard there's a few problems with it that you got to kind
1:07:20
of rubber bandit because the top kind of morphs. It doesn't sit on proper.
1:07:26
But mother, all right, let's get to the very last question that
1:07:30
we can all go home and go to bed, because some of you guys
1:07:34
got to get up at like four o'clock in the morning. List five hypothetical
1:07:41
new cards and their types, effects, etc. That would reset the meta
1:07:45
and improve the health of the game so that Ghost Galaxies does not have to
1:07:49
restore one day to banning older sets. It's like a whole cast. Yeah,
1:07:57
it probably is. I mean, I would say, your easiest solution,
1:08:01
I think, and it's not even a hypothetical. I personally think it
1:08:04
will happen. Rotation. Well, that's what they're trying, not the literal
1:08:13
question. Says, how do we avoid that? Where does it say that
1:08:18
does not resort to one day banning older sets? Well, you're not banning
1:08:23
them, you're rotating them. That's what that is. The NATS is not
1:08:27
a band, that is a rotation. The spirit of the question, I
1:08:31
am. I think that whoever asked this question is like keeping all sets in
1:08:36
play? What changes could they make coming forward in future sets that would allow
1:08:42
that? And honestly, I think they might have already done it because the
1:08:45
whole damn met is about to be just woe. So I would wholeheartedly disagree
1:08:50
with you. But well that's because you don't play before too much. That's
1:08:56
again, go go play more key for it walk although true, come watch
1:09:02
my store for me ze no no no, no life choices. Um.
1:09:11
I'm not saying that Woe isn't gonna somewhat shake up the meta, but I
1:09:15
don't think it's gonna be as heavy as you think. Two months ago I
1:09:19
said it was gonna somewhat shake up the meta. The more and more I
1:09:23
see see like completely Meodor, mediocre wo deck crush, really good old decks,
1:09:30
the more and more I'm going towards the whole meta is just gonna be
1:09:32
WHOA in a year or is it just this first print run was really good,
1:09:39
or did they finally when they did the algorithm, did they make it
1:09:42
so that cards make sense, cards that should be together are actually together.
1:09:47
I don't know they I don't know. All I know is that it seems
1:09:53
like more and more you're like, if you get these two cards together,
1:09:56
they're really really good, and you're like, yeah, but how often is
1:09:59
that gonna happened? And then like all of a sudden, it's like,
1:10:00
that's not how we're WOA works. It doesn't care about that as much.
1:10:04
It's just I'm gonna play a bunch of tokens with these cards that are all
1:10:08
above average cars, and it's gonna beat old decks. That's what it has
1:10:13
been doing. I mean, you're because your other option besides rotation is power
1:10:17
creeping out, and well they check that box. I think that's like,
1:10:23
I don't think you could print a specific card that's gonna make older sets before
1:10:29
who. I think they could have presented like as long as they had print
1:10:32
we said it on the gas that they had printed a card at common,
1:10:35
a card uncommon, and a card at rare in two or three houses that
1:10:40
specifically talked about urge in like affecting how in furnace works, they could have
1:10:45
shifted the meta back in a different direction. That is the only reason the
1:10:49
current meta stayed the way it is as long as it is, because there's
1:10:51
so many cars really good because of that that one car. There's also little
1:10:58
thing that happened that might have because I mean, Woe might have been released
1:11:00
way sooner than you know, we could have been released, you know,
1:11:05
three years ago if we didn't love, honestly I had had. If Woe
1:11:11
in this iteration the way it is right now, come six months after DT,
1:11:16
I don't think any of us would have cared like the the meta that
1:11:19
was created by MM and world's clients in the furnace would not have grown as
1:11:24
stale as it was. And a lot of MM just doesn't like a lot
1:11:28
of Woe just actually doesn't care about in furnace as much as we thought it
1:11:30
would UM because it just keeps playing the damn tokens. It doesn't care.
1:11:34
It's going to reap out for Hamper. So yeah, that could have I
1:11:41
don't know, maybe there wasn't actually a bigger problem. Must we thought this
1:11:43
whole time. It's just the delay in the sets coming out made everything seem
1:11:47
worse than it was as far as like in furnace and DT sucked. Anybody
1:11:55
else got any ideas? Nobody? Uh, furnace is the obvious one.
1:12:06
Um, I mean first is the big one. But like you still got
1:12:15
extra PEPs, but now anti logos, you know, more archive hate.
1:12:21
I don't know would change it up. Well, it'll probably lean even more
1:12:26
towards whoe. So what a card that brings all purchased cards back something that
1:12:34
of interest? Or does that just give Is that more in furnace feel?
1:12:41
I think it's related to in furnace right, Like I guess unless well,
1:12:45
unless you lean more into purge and you create purge as like a secondary archive,
1:12:51
it can't be decended. I don't know. Um I mean to say,
1:12:57
is rare. We don't see it that often, but it's out there.
1:13:00
It can happen. Yeah, it's rare, and at this point it's
1:13:04
old. It didn't this afterwards collide. So right, I really don't have
1:13:12
a good idea because I think the only thing you can really honestly do is
1:13:15
power creep. But then at what point does the power creep become too much
1:13:19
and then you're you're we need more data. But I think that's literally what
1:13:23
they did, Like that's what happened, and in the end it might not
1:13:29
be an issue. Like if like let's say six months from now, if
1:13:33
half, if more than half of the meta is low. The gig actually
1:13:40
answered this question already, right, Like the problem with the meta we saw
1:13:47
at KFC was that fifty percent was still MM and MM has wasn't even the
1:13:54
most recent set um. But if fifty percent of the meta becomes low,
1:13:58
then it is moving forward at a decent rotation naturally, which is what if
1:14:04
I was the game designer would want, Like if you were printing decks,
1:14:09
you would want the most recent set to be the most represented in your events.
1:14:14
And I right, Like the biggest thing is that I don't know if
1:14:17
FG had a different philosophy, but like it seemed that FG always went from
1:14:26
besides World's Collide was like we're going to release a real banger of a set,
1:14:30
and then we're gonna release its redheaded step Child set, because like you
1:14:35
had CODA, then AOA, which basically meant for almost a year Code of
1:14:40
Dominated, and then World's Collide came out, and then World Clyde started to
1:14:44
shift it, and then MM came out and we're like, oh, m's
1:14:47
really good. But then he had DT, which was just another clunker,
1:14:51
Like you can't have clunky mechanics. And I feel like the other problem is
1:14:58
by the time it gets to Playtester, it's it's too far in development to
1:15:03
go all the way back, Like you can't just be like, oh,
1:15:08
we're just not going to do the Tide anymore. But I guess you could
1:15:11
have fixed the Tide cards to be it's either really good or really good,
1:15:17
you know, a plus. It's either a plus or a plus plus depending
1:15:21
on if you have the Tide or not, to where it's not like,
1:15:26
oh this is just if I don't know the Tide, this card's just junk
1:15:30
and I don't have any way besides taking three chains to get the Tide,
1:15:34
Like there needed to be more cards that shifted the Tide into your favor,
1:15:38
and like the Tide cards need like they need to be more powerful, like
1:15:44
if you're going to put it downside onto something, there has to be this
1:15:46
giant upside and it can't be like they had too many cards. They were
1:15:50
like if the tide, then it's just the equivalent to this card that existed
1:15:56
already in an earlier set, which stop stop new name and a penalty,
1:16:02
the same carden that's weaker with the penalty. Yep. Yeah, so that
1:16:08
that's a big I think that's a big no no. But well we'll see
1:16:12
how they didn't do that in Woe No. Well, I mean, well
1:16:15
no they didn't because I mean technically now you have technically now you have an
1:16:20
efficient bait and switch. Yep, mhm, unbanned bait and switch. Anyways,
1:16:30
Um, I'm one day that's just gonna happen. I'm just gonna blink
1:16:34
it or be like what have happened? It's gonna be so good. Um.
1:16:39
Do that that finish? Thats out our question, doesn't it? Yeah?
1:16:43
All right, well is that being said, we'll see how all our
1:16:46
predictions go. Um, obviously make sure you're paying attention to the discord.
1:16:50
If you're in the discord. Um, I'll probably be getting this up tomorrow
1:16:55
night, which would be Friday night, so they'll have had their sealed slash
1:17:00
unchained event, and I'm sure Ze and everybody will be giving updates uh into
1:17:06
the into the old chat here in discord. I think here first cheap is
1:17:14
gonna win. So congratulationship you Sep. You know I'm gonna I'm gonna say
1:17:18
he's gonna win. Hate you guys, Oh my god, I'm gonna say
1:17:21
he's gonna win. Just so I don't put all that pressure on on sheep.
1:17:27
I changed my answer. I'll change you. Thank you. I'm gonna
1:17:30
say ze and I know that's not gonna happen, but I'm gonna says he's
1:17:35
just hedging. I just, you know, just in case. No no
1:17:41
love for JR. M hmm, Jared's playing alliance. No he's Yeah,
1:17:47
he is. Yeah, I think he is. I don't know. I
1:17:50
could be wrong too. He he hasn't actually made a decision yet. What
1:17:57
he was wobbling probably about a week ago, he was still wobbling. Now
1:18:03
that could have changed right now. I don't know. I just work here.
1:18:08
So yeah, all right, with that being said, we'll see y'all
1:18:15
next week. Happy forging. Everyone is somebody gonna say, may have forged
1:18:19
me with you? You just did? Oh okay, might to forge be
1:18:26
with you? Is that how he sounds? Yes, but yogurt's better exactly.
1:18:32
They got it yep,