Latest / The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated / Operation Epic Fury: A Progress Report

Transcript

Operation Epic Fury: A Progress Report · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

0:00
Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things
0:03
Speaker 1: hillsdalet Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to take
0:06
Speaker 1: advantage of the many free online courses there and of
0:08
Speaker 1: course a listener to the Hillsdale Dialogues, all of them
0:11
Speaker 1: at Hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just Google, Apple,
0:14
Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. Welcome back and medon hughes Hewett joined
0:21
Speaker 1: by United States Senator Tom Cotton. He is a Republican
0:25
Speaker 1: from Arkansas. I when it's primary easily last week. He
0:28
Speaker 1: is also the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and
0:31
Speaker 1: chair of the House Republican Conference. Senator, thank you for
0:34
Speaker 1: joining us. Before you were a senator, you were a congressman.
0:37
Speaker 1: Before you were a congressman, you were a soldier. He
0:39
Speaker 1: is fought in iraqiught in Afghanistan, and you served with
0:42
Speaker 1: the Old Guard at Arlington. So the seven US Army
0:45
Speaker 1: soldiers who've been killed in this combat have I'm sure
0:49
Speaker 1: near and dear to you. What do you assess the
0:52
Speaker 1: war as? How is it going? Given the casualties we've
0:55
Speaker 1: had and expect.
0:58
Speaker 2: Oh, Hugh and and I join all our kansons and
1:02
Speaker 2: grieving for those seven heroes who were killed and wishing
1:06
Speaker 2: our best condolences and sending prayers to their families.
1:11
Speaker 3: But they have not died in vain.
1:14
Speaker 4: This is an.
1:15
Speaker 2: Absolutely vital and necessary war against a revolutionary terror supporting
1:22
Speaker 2: country that's been killing Americans for forty seven years, to
1:27
Speaker 2: include maiming and killing thousands of other soldiers who served
1:31
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan back in the same time.
1:34
Speaker 5: I did so.
1:37
Speaker 2: We always grieved the loss of our heroes on the battlefield,
1:41
Speaker 2: but this war was vitally necessary, and so far our
1:45
Speaker 2: brave and skillful troops have been met with smashing success.
1:49
Speaker 2: You saw the briefing that Admiral Cooper dave last week
1:51
Speaker 2: that gave you the best information you can know about
1:54
Speaker 2: the successes so far, which is Iranian raids of fire
1:57
Speaker 2: have collapsed from the first days of the conflict. That
2:00
Speaker 2: means we've been extraordinarily successful in destroying their missiles, their drones,
2:05
Speaker 2: and their launchers, which was one of the very top
2:08
Speaker 2: objectives in this campaign. Obviously, he continues will continue to
2:11
Speaker 2: target those forces, their navy, their communications, the regime thugs
2:17
Speaker 2: like the Seas militias, the Cuds force, the Revolutionary Guard
2:20
Speaker 2: core that spread and foments revolutionary violence and terror and
2:24
Speaker 2: oppress their own people. There's still more work to be done,
2:27
Speaker 2: But a week and a half in, I don't think
2:30
Speaker 2: it could be going better for our brave and skillful troops.
2:33
Speaker 1: Sarah cottin ten days in. We also now have a
2:36
Speaker 1: new Supreme leader. How many two point zero or at
2:38
Speaker 1: least half of how many two point zero is said
2:41
Speaker 1: that he had been seriously wounded in the attacks thus far.
2:44
Speaker 1: That is a break with Homini, the founder of the
2:47
Speaker 1: regime's theology. The fanatics said we should not have hereditary
2:51
Speaker 1: succession for Supreme leader. I think that causes stresses inside
2:55
Speaker 1: of the regime.
2:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear, You're right about that. There's always been
2:59
Speaker 2: always in the official position that the Supreme leader role
3:02
Speaker 2: should not be hereditariat be selected by the so called
3:05
Speaker 2: assembly of experts, who are having tough time assembling right
3:08
Speaker 2: now in peace and quiet thanks to the United States
3:11
Speaker 2: and Israel. But I can't help but imagine it does
3:14
Speaker 2: cause some internal dissension and rivalry within the ranks of
3:18
Speaker 2: the senior leaders of Iran who oppose out on ideological
3:22
Speaker 2: grounds or perhaps on personal grounds. And that about you
3:25
Speaker 2: right now, I don't care how radical and fanatical. And
3:27
Speaker 2: I tell a lie I was, I'm not sure i'd
3:29
Speaker 2: want that job title. Well, the US and Iran is
3:32
Speaker 2: still owning the skies above Iran.
3:35
Speaker 1: Another the Admiral gave and update on the sinkings last
3:38
Speaker 1: week that is now out of date because another one
3:40
Speaker 1: occurred today or two occurred today. Open Source Center. Do
3:44
Speaker 1: we know anything about their underwater navy? That had five
3:47
Speaker 1: regular submarines diesels, at least one of which has been sunk,
3:51
Speaker 1: But they had a lot of submersibles and things like that.
3:54
Speaker 1: I know we have pH flying out there. What do
3:56
Speaker 1: you think about that? What can you tell us about that?
4:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have sizeable naval forces. Now they're what
4:04
Speaker 2: you and I and most Americans might call more of
4:05
Speaker 2: a coastguard. A lot of these ships, to include some
4:08
Speaker 2: of those submersible as you mentioned, are smaller. Some of
4:11
Speaker 2: them are autonomous. They're not designed to be on the
4:13
Speaker 2: blue blue water seas, to design for the Persian Gulf
4:16
Speaker 2: and the Straight of Four Moves, And it's one of
4:20
Speaker 2: our objectives as well, to think their entire navy. It's
4:23
Speaker 2: not as urgent objective because they can't project They usually
4:26
Speaker 2: can't project power against our bases or against our friends
4:29
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. That's why the missiles and the
4:31
Speaker 2: drones and the launchers were the first objective, because we
4:34
Speaker 2: needed to take those out to protect our troops and
4:36
Speaker 2: to protect our friends in the region. But in the end,
4:40
Speaker 2: I expect to see Iron's navy at the bottom of
4:42
Speaker 2: the ocean, so they can't continue to threaten shipping fubustraight
4:46
Speaker 2: of for Moose.
4:47
Speaker 1: All right now, Sarah, I want to turn to funding
4:49
Speaker 1: the combat. It's been expensive, It's going to continue to
4:52
Speaker 1: be expensive. We had a big plus up in the
4:55
Speaker 1: defense build, but we need more. And I was asked
4:57
Speaker 1: by Brian Kilmead last night, what about its elemental I
5:00
Speaker 1: don't think it gets sixty votes, given that the Democrats
5:02
Speaker 1: are turning into part of the appeasement, could a second
5:05
Speaker 1: reconciliation that focused narrowly on the Department of War actually
5:10
Speaker 1: make it through the House and the Senate always possible?
5:14
Speaker 2: With you, I wouldn't necessarily rule out a supplemental bill,
5:17
Speaker 2: although you're right the Democrats amazingly at a time when
5:22
Speaker 2: no one else in the world is supporting a rime,
5:25
Speaker 2: not even their former quasi allies like guitar or Oman
5:29
Speaker 2: or Turkey. The one group left it supporting a rime
5:33
Speaker 2: in this conflict and rooting for their success. SMS to
5:36
Speaker 2: be the Democratic Party. But there's no question that after
5:39
Speaker 2: this war concludes ns operas a Trump statement today that
5:43
Speaker 2: it may include sooner rather than later, because they're even
5:46
Speaker 2: ahead of their timetables. There's going to be need to
5:50
Speaker 2: be some kind of additional defense spending, especially to replace
5:53
Speaker 2: the very expensive, very high end long range stand on
6:00
Speaker 2: munitions that we used in the first twenty four to
6:02
Speaker 2: seventy two hours, things like Patriot and fat missile defense interceptors,
6:07
Speaker 2: prison missiles, Tomahawk missiles and such things. We need that
6:10
Speaker 2: not just because of this conflict, but we've always needed
6:14
Speaker 2: a lot more of it because of the conflict in
6:15
Speaker 2: Ukraine and the ter China from going for the jug
6:18
Speaker 2: dealer in Taiwan.
6:20
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about Cuba center, since it's been
6:23
Speaker 1: a light with fires and revolt in the last few days,
6:26
Speaker 1: what do you think is our plan for our island's neighbor.
6:33
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're breaking up a little bit.
6:34
Speaker 1: What do you think is the plan for Cuba, which
6:37
Speaker 1: has had revolution in the streets in the last few nights.
6:41
Speaker 2: What did Doesident Trump say about it last week? Voluntary
6:43
Speaker 2: transfer or along those lines easal handover look, Cuba has
6:49
Speaker 2: never been able to support itself since the Castro Revolution.
6:53
Speaker 2: For around thirty years, they had supportive Soviet Russia. Soviet
6:58
Speaker 2: Russia provided them financial ACoM support, They provided the shock
7:01
Speaker 2: troops for communist insurgencies in Latin America and Africa. They
7:05
Speaker 2: were on the ropes in the nineteen nineties up to
7:07
Speaker 2: the collapse of the Soviet Union. But then Hugo shaves
7:10
Speaker 2: through my lifeline in the late nineteen nineties and ever since,
7:14
Speaker 2: Venezuela has been propping up the cast Grow regime. In return,
7:17
Speaker 2: they provided security to the Chavistas in Venezuela, although that
7:22
Speaker 2: security proved not to be very helpful during the Maduro
7:25
Speaker 2: raid when a lot of Cubans were up dead. On
7:27
Speaker 2: the objective, I think without that support from Venezuela, Cubans
7:31
Speaker 2: government and really to its entire economy just seizes up
7:35
Speaker 2: in a matter of minds, And I think that's what
7:38
Speaker 2: the President is talking about, like literally, they can't survive
7:41
Speaker 2: without that support from Venezuela. So I would imagine that
7:45
Speaker 2: there are people in Havannah right now, imagine thinking of
7:50
Speaker 2: themselves as the Velz Rodriguez of Cuba, or wondering if
7:54
Speaker 2: they can get one way tickets look to join Bachelor
7:57
Speaker 2: Alasade Costcoal.
7:58
Speaker 1: I agree. Last question, Colleague Mark Wayne Mullen. I got
8:01
Speaker 1: to fly on Thursday. I gotta fly on Saturday. We
8:04
Speaker 1: need DHS up and running. Does he have the votes?
8:07
Speaker 1: How quickly can he get confirmed?
8:11
Speaker 2: I assume that's going to be a priority, I think
8:12
Speaker 2: for the Senate, Hugh. The President said that Secretary No
8:17
Speaker 2: would stay in the job until March thirty. First, that's
8:19
Speaker 2: just about the time that will break to be back
8:22
Speaker 2: home with our people during Easter. So I would imagine
8:27
Speaker 2: the administration is working over time to get all of
8:30
Speaker 2: Mark Wayne's papers lined up and up to the Home
8:34
Speaker 2: on Security Government Fairs Committee, and we'll do everything we
8:37
Speaker 2: can to profess his nomination expeditiously.
8:40
Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton, No, it's good to talk to you
8:41
Speaker 1: and get all the info. I appreciate it very much.
8:49
Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined now by
8:51
Speaker 1: Fox News' own Lucas Tomlinson. He is in the war,
8:54
Speaker 1: He's in Dubai, Lucas, what is the day like today?
8:58
Speaker 1: Has the UAE can you had to come under attack
9:01
Speaker 1: from Iran.
9:02
Speaker 6: It's been a little quiet in the past twenty four hours, Hue.
9:05
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's been quiet since this war in
9:07
Speaker 6: Iran began. In fact, Ua has been the main target
9:10
Speaker 6: for Iran. Iran has fired over fourteen hundred drones at
9:14
Speaker 6: this country about the size of South Carolina, and has
9:17
Speaker 6: launched over.
9:17
Speaker 7: Two hundred and fifty ballistic missiles.
9:19
Speaker 6: The good news, the Amuradis are intercepting all of Iran's
9:23
Speaker 6: projectiles to the extent of over ninety two percent have
9:27
Speaker 6: been shot down. But it has come at a cost,
9:28
Speaker 6: and it came at a cost. Today an Amaradi helicopter
9:32
Speaker 6: crashed while intercepting a drone, likely an Apache gunship, because
9:36
Speaker 6: two soldiers were named as being killed in the crash.
9:41
Speaker 6: So that is something that Iran promised that if there
9:44
Speaker 6: would be a war, they would start a regional one.
9:47
Speaker 6: And what's happened is here in the Gulf States is
9:50
Speaker 6: every country has come under attack from Iran, but there
9:53
Speaker 6: the air defense has been very strong this far.
9:56
Speaker 1: Lucas, Iran fired a missile at Turkey today, Air one
10:00
Speaker 1: the president of that country express dismay. But that is
10:04
Speaker 1: an Article five issue, is that it doesn't the rest
10:06
Speaker 1: of NATO have to come in now.
10:08
Speaker 6: It sure is if Turkey were to invoke Article five,
10:11
Speaker 6: and of course goes to a bit of a bureaucratic process, Hugh.
10:15
Speaker 7: But you're right.
10:17
Speaker 6: The Turkey is a NATO member and they were attacked,
10:20
Speaker 6: and they certainly can it's within their right to invoke
10:23
Speaker 6: Article five. But if you're relying on the British forces,
10:25
Speaker 6: as you've seen, could be waiting for a little while
10:28
Speaker 6: because they only have a few service combatants ready to deploy.
10:32
Speaker 6: In fact, one of their destroyers top twenty three destroyers,
10:35
Speaker 6: which is only good for air defense. Right now the
10:37
Speaker 6: Royal Navy, Nelson's rolling over in his grave. We only
10:40
Speaker 6: have about ten service combatants that they can muster, and
10:44
Speaker 6: all their destroyers and frigates are only for air defense,
10:47
Speaker 6: which would come in handy of course in this war,
10:49
Speaker 6: but cannot fire long range cruise missiles. You see Prime
10:51
Speaker 6: Minister Kure Starmer there. We heard President Trump say that
10:55
Speaker 6: he's no Churchill. But the French are deploying their aircraft
10:58
Speaker 6: carrier to the eastern Mediterranean, which will be strategic because
11:02
Speaker 6: the Ford aircraft carrier Strike Group has been moved over
11:04
Speaker 6: the weekend from the Eastern Mediterranean transit of the Suez
11:08
Speaker 6: Canal is now in the Red Sea in case the
11:10
Speaker 6: Huthies would get involved. That brings two aircraft carrier strike
11:13
Speaker 6: groups to this part of the world's the Arabian Peninsula.
11:16
Speaker 1: So Lukas, one of the people in Dubai tell you
11:20
Speaker 1: about this war. Are they glad they're finally coming to
11:22
Speaker 1: blows or is it? Are they still too worried about
11:25
Speaker 1: the fact that the Islamic Republic has gone Yosemite sam
11:29
Speaker 1: on everyone.
11:30
Speaker 6: They're not happy things have come to blows to you.
11:32
Speaker 6: But officials I've spoken to says this is an attack
11:35
Speaker 6: on Dubai's way of life, the UAE's way of life.
11:38
Speaker 6: This is a very open society. Here is one of
11:40
Speaker 6: the wealthiest cities in the world. In fact, right behind
11:43
Speaker 6: me you can see the Burgh Khalifa. That's the tallest
11:46
Speaker 6: building in the world, one hundred and sixty three floors.
11:51
Speaker 6: Most of the people here, we've seen that Dubai Malas
11:53
Speaker 6: is behind me as well, are carrying on.
11:55
Speaker 7: But this is also a hub of tourism and right.
11:58
Speaker 6: Now the hotels are taking a beating, if not physically
12:01
Speaker 6: from a couple of those drones.
12:03
Speaker 7: Really an ox been seeing, Hugh.
12:05
Speaker 6: The hotel some of the hotels have gone from about
12:07
Speaker 6: sixty percent occupan seed down to thirty percent. Some hotels
12:10
Speaker 6: we've heard about have gone down to one percent. And
12:12
Speaker 6: these are hotels that are normally matched out you know,
12:15
Speaker 6: ninety eight ninety nine percent. So the people we've talked
12:18
Speaker 6: to you on the street, if you were walking along,
12:20
Speaker 6: you wouldn't always think you're you're in war right now
12:23
Speaker 6: or in the conflict in the crosshairs of Iran.
12:25
Speaker 7: Again, that meant those stats once again.
12:27
Speaker 6: Iran has fired over fourteen hundred drones of this country,
12:30
Speaker 6: over two hundred and fifty blisting missiles. Most have been intercepted,
12:33
Speaker 6: you hear, I've heard some of those intercepts this morning.
12:36
Speaker 6: But for the government, they also think there's an attack
12:38
Speaker 6: on their way of life. It's also proximity, Hugh. At
12:41
Speaker 6: the closest point, the ua is only forty five miles
12:43
Speaker 6: from Iran, and as you've seen with the thousands of
12:46
Speaker 6: drones that have been launched, UAE is a big target.
12:49
Speaker 6: Of course, the signer of the Abraham accords from President
12:52
Speaker 6: Trump's first term. Iranian say they're attacking any country where
12:57
Speaker 6: there are American bases. Of course, you have Aldafra Air
12:59
Speaker 6: Base for as we kept our fast movers, our fighter jets,
13:02
Speaker 6: but no strikes against Iran have been launched from the UA.
13:05
Speaker 6: Of course, all that was moved, and we are seeing
13:07
Speaker 6: some traffic moving in the region. A lot of US
13:09
Speaker 6: Air Force tankers are leaving Saudi Arabia after those oil.
13:12
Speaker 7: Fields came under attack.
13:13
Speaker 6: You can't talk about the Gulf States right now and
13:15
Speaker 6: not talk about the price of oil, which at one
13:17
Speaker 6: point went over one hundred dollars a barrel. That was
13:20
Speaker 6: a fifty sixty percent rise over pre war prices. The
13:23
Speaker 6: Suez can have this season, with the straight of Hornor Moves,
13:25
Speaker 6: has effectively been closed. The Iranians are not mining it,
13:28
Speaker 6: but they have threatened any vessel to go through. We
13:30
Speaker 6: heard from the Energy Secretary Chris Right who said he
13:32
Speaker 6: would like to see US Navy begin escort missions. That's
13:36
Speaker 6: gonna be very dangerous.
13:37
Speaker 8: I was.
13:37
Speaker 7: You can see you right there in the map, Hew.
13:39
Speaker 6: You know, as closest point, you're only a few miles
13:41
Speaker 6: from Iranian shores of any kind of Iranian ANPTI ship.
13:45
Speaker 7: Cruise missile or some of those drones.
13:47
Speaker 6: You wouldn't have very long to react, So very dangerous undertaking.
13:51
Speaker 1: So Lucas. Before the war began, I was told by
13:54
Speaker 1: Iranian navy experts that they had five submarines. I know
13:57
Speaker 1: they've lost one. They also have a lot of many.
14:00
Speaker 1: Have you talked to anyone about the threat to our
14:03
Speaker 1: navy from these underwater vehicles and underwater drums from Iran?
14:07
Speaker 7: It's something they're looking for you.
14:09
Speaker 6: In fact, remember when you have the Lincoln Strike Group,
14:12
Speaker 6: but we don't talk about as much as there's always
14:14
Speaker 6: a fast attack submarine in the strike group, and of
14:17
Speaker 6: course Ford will be bringing one as well, so it.
14:20
Speaker 7: Is a threat they're looking at.
14:21
Speaker 6: However, we have heard from the Pentagon, from the Secretary
14:24
Speaker 6: of Warped egg st there that over forty ships have
14:27
Speaker 6: been taken out, and it seems that that's a very
14:30
Speaker 6: strategic move to try to free up the straight or
14:32
Speaker 6: horror moves.
14:33
Speaker 1: Now.
14:33
Speaker 7: One thing to consider also cute.
14:35
Speaker 6: China gets forty percent of our oil from tankers that
14:38
Speaker 6: pass through the straight or form moves, So you have
14:41
Speaker 6: to think, while straight is closed right now, at some point,
14:46
Speaker 6: China will want that reopened and get some of the oil,
14:49
Speaker 6: in fact, to many countries in Asian, in fact throughout
14:51
Speaker 6: the world.
14:52
Speaker 1: So Lukas last question when you leave Dubai, are you
14:55
Speaker 1: going to go to Cuba or to Israel or where
14:57
Speaker 1: are you going to go next? Because there's like a
14:59
Speaker 1: war everywhere.
15:00
Speaker 6: Right I go where orders you would? Cuba would be
15:03
Speaker 6: fascinating right now. It certainly seems like a lot is
15:05
Speaker 6: happening in twenty twenty six.
15:07
Speaker 7: It's very busy, very noisy.
15:09
Speaker 1: Luc and thank you for joining me. Everyone follow him
15:11
Speaker 1: at Lucas Fox News on ex Lucas Fox News on
15:15
Speaker 1: x sank Welcome back to America. Just talking about the album Thriller.
15:21
Speaker 1: It is thrilling, sort of to live in Israel every day,
15:24
Speaker 1: under attack from the north, from Hesblah, under attack from
15:27
Speaker 1: Iran at intermittent times throughout the night. Nothing yet from mamma.
15:31
Speaker 1: I'm joined by a former Israeli ambassador to the United States,
15:33
Speaker 1: doctor Michael Oran. Well played on CNN, Doctor Oran, when
15:37
Speaker 1: you corrected the anchor, Oh, by the way, we're under
15:40
Speaker 1: attack here, I thought that was well played.
15:45
Speaker 9: They had a seven minute item you about Lebanon all
15:49
Speaker 9: the destruction that we are waking on Lebanon without mentioning one,
15:53
Speaker 9: not one of the two hundred and twenty missiles that
15:54
Speaker 9: they had fired at Israel up to that point. They
15:56
Speaker 9: fired a lot more today, and it's just it's rotten journalism.
16:01
Speaker 9: It's basically propaganda, and I wasn't gonna let him get
16:03
Speaker 9: away with it. It's enough and it's extraordinary. I was
16:07
Speaker 9: talking in the American news today. Nobody knows what's going
16:09
Speaker 9: up on North. We're under constant fire from the North.
16:12
Speaker 1: Let's talk Lebanon first. I have seen open source discussions
16:17
Speaker 1: that maybe has Belah wants to say no Moss or
16:20
Speaker 1: maybe Lebanon wants to formally agree with Israel to exterminate
16:24
Speaker 1: as Belah. What is the situation diplomatically about the northern Front.
16:30
Speaker 9: Well, it's not quite true that what the message was
16:32
Speaker 9: tonight that the Lebanese government communicated to Israel through the
16:36
Speaker 9: United States that they're interested in having ministerial level peace
16:39
Speaker 9: talks on Cyprus, and that there were actually elements Stace
16:44
Speaker 9: that educated, there were elements in his beloved say that
16:46
Speaker 9: they were on board with this.
16:47
Speaker 5: They wanted to get a.
16:48
Speaker 9: Ceasefire and the response to the Trump administration was terrific.
16:51
Speaker 9: Was Listen, you promised to dismantle his brother's arms to
16:57
Speaker 9: take to to disarm them. Excuse me, and you have
16:59
Speaker 9: them done it, and they're just going to get have
17:01
Speaker 9: now a ceasefire. We're going to go back to the
17:03
Speaker 9: status quo ante that's not that's a no go. So
17:07
Speaker 9: you start making concrete steps to fulfilling your commitment to
17:11
Speaker 9: disarm his bulla and we'll talk about it.
17:14
Speaker 5: And I thought that was an excellent response.
17:15
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's go to the news. Generally, you
17:18
Speaker 1: know that there's been a showage spill in the Potomac.
17:21
Speaker 1: They're not calling it the poo too, Mac because it's
17:23
Speaker 1: so bad. That's like my feed. I can't tell what's
17:26
Speaker 1: real and what's not real. I'm looking for hard facts
17:29
Speaker 1: about how the war is going. How do you think
17:31
Speaker 1: the war is going based on hard facts?
17:35
Speaker 9: You want the hard facts. Hamas and Iran a pretty
17:39
Speaker 9: much the same. In order to win, they have only
17:42
Speaker 9: not to lose, and they don't care how many ships
17:44
Speaker 9: they lose. They don't care how many leaders they get assassinated.
17:47
Speaker 9: They're just as long as they can come out of
17:48
Speaker 9: the bubble. At the end and go like this, then
17:50
Speaker 9: they wont and.
17:51
Speaker 5: So yeah, we've got to this. We are in maybe
17:54
Speaker 5: just the beginning stages of this. That's me the war
17:56
Speaker 5: is going to go on indefinitely.
17:57
Speaker 9: It just means there's going to be a very intense
17:59
Speaker 9: beginning of the war and then we'll keep it the
18:01
Speaker 9: pressure on Iran by having a very tight naval blockde
18:04
Speaker 9: not an oil drop of oil gets out of there.
18:07
Speaker 9: And you know, Americans, you know, we understand here. The
18:09
Speaker 9: Americans have the scars of every rack in Afghanistan and
18:11
Speaker 9: these so called endless wars. But a much better example
18:14
Speaker 9: would be the Cold War, which took decades and America
18:18
Speaker 9: kept up the pressure on the Soviet block and eventually
18:21
Speaker 9: that block fell. And this maybe happened the case here
18:23
Speaker 9: because we met barring a upheaval, you know, a domestic
18:28
Speaker 9: revolt or a type of coup within the Iranian leadership itself.
18:34
Speaker 5: We're in the army. This could go on for a
18:36
Speaker 5: very long time because they don't care.
18:38
Speaker 9: All they care about is that they don't lose, and
18:41
Speaker 9: it can come out of the rubble and make the
18:42
Speaker 9: v side well.
18:43
Speaker 1: But now Israel's navy, Israel's navy last night took out
18:48
Speaker 1: five Iranians of the Koods Force in Beirut, reminding us
18:52
Speaker 1: that not only does Israel have a navy, so does Iran.
18:55
Speaker 1: Now we've sunk that. We being in the United States,
18:57
Speaker 1: have sunk a lot of their navy, but they have
19:00
Speaker 1: five submarines at the start, at least one has been sunk,
19:03
Speaker 1: and a lot of mini subs. Will any hard reporting
19:06
Speaker 1: in Israel about the naval threat underwater from Iran?
19:11
Speaker 5: None whatsoever?
19:12
Speaker 9: Zero, Not even about the reports about what the Israeli
19:15
Speaker 9: navy has done.
19:15
Speaker 5: They're keeping that under close wrap.
19:17
Speaker 9: Okay, And I imagine there are many types of military
19:20
Speaker 9: activities that are going on that we don't know about,
19:22
Speaker 9: and we shouldn't know about.
19:23
Speaker 1: One of the things I have been making a point
19:25
Speaker 1: to say, you said, this could go on a long time.
19:28
Speaker 1: I just don't want people to think it's going to
19:29
Speaker 1: be less than two months or three months, because it's
19:32
Speaker 1: an air war, it's not a ground war. There is
19:34
Speaker 1: no march to Tehran. There's not going to be a
19:36
Speaker 1: ground and occurring. Do you think that is a fairly
19:40
Speaker 1: realistic minimum time set? Two to three months?
19:45
Speaker 9: It's realistic, and I'm a little bit more optimistic in
19:48
Speaker 9: you that once we eliminate the Iran's ability to launch
19:52
Speaker 9: missiles at US at our neighbors, then Iran is basically
19:57
Speaker 9: that kind of sitting duck. And you can maintain a
20:00
Speaker 9: much lower level of air activity, but keep up the
20:04
Speaker 9: naval blockade, keep the pressure on, and eventually they'll break.
20:07
Speaker 9: And again, the model is not Iraq, it's not Afghanist,
20:11
Speaker 9: and the model is the Cold War.
20:12
Speaker 1: Now, Ambassador, and we are on how many two point zero?
20:16
Speaker 1: We may be on half of how many two point
20:19
Speaker 1: zero given some of the reports that he's been badly injured.
20:22
Speaker 1: Does Israel have a checklist that they'll just keep going
20:24
Speaker 1: down and the assets in place to find and eliminate
20:28
Speaker 1: all of the Iranian leadership?
20:31
Speaker 9: Well, depends on who the leadership is and what their
20:32
Speaker 9: positions are. You know, if mister Mushtaba KHMANI were to
20:36
Speaker 9: come up and say, okay, I'm willing to you know,
20:38
Speaker 9: toss on the towel and I'm going to give up
20:40
Speaker 9: the nuclear dream, I'm going to give up the production
20:42
Speaker 9: of ballistic missiles, and I'm gonna stop supporting terror around
20:45
Speaker 9: the world.
20:45
Speaker 5: Okay, you know, he could be a leap there every ron.
20:48
Speaker 9: But if he's going to have the exact same policies
20:50
Speaker 9: as his father and of the founding of the Islamber
20:53
Speaker 9: Republic Homanne, then then his longevity should be should be
20:56
Speaker 9: very very short lived.
20:59
Speaker 1: Do you think it's significant Hamini, the founder, was against
21:03
Speaker 1: hereditary succession. He thought it was un Islamic, very very
21:07
Speaker 1: very verbal about that. Does it matter in the propaganda
21:11
Speaker 1: war that they've basically crowned a king and passed it
21:14
Speaker 1: on to the prince.
21:17
Speaker 9: Well, it matters internally domestically, and it has to do
21:20
Speaker 9: with his legitimacy. So tonight we're treated to these pictures
21:22
Speaker 9: of you know, tens of thousands of supporters of the
21:25
Speaker 9: regime going out and you know, chanting a lock bar
21:27
Speaker 9: and chanting, you know, for swearing fealty to the new
21:31
Speaker 9: Supreme leader. Of the question is what other Iranians think
21:35
Speaker 9: and does this chip away further at what little legitimacy
21:40
Speaker 9: this regime still had.
21:42
Speaker 1: Last question, Israel Advocacy Group, what you've founded has got
21:45
Speaker 1: to be busier than ever. Do people understand the depth
21:48
Speaker 1: of the integration of the US and Israeli military operations?
21:53
Speaker 9: They do not, And I will tell you at a
21:56
Speaker 9: personal level, at an historical level, you know, the United
21:58
Speaker 9: States and is you have always had a.
21:59
Speaker 5: Totally special relationship.
22:00
Speaker 9: In the deepest and most multifaceted strategic alliance which the
22:04
Speaker 9: United States has had with any foreign power in the
22:07
Speaker 9: post forward two period, does include the United States and
22:09
Speaker 9: Great Britain.
22:10
Speaker 5: That's much to say about that.
22:11
Speaker 9: Now and today, Israel is without question America's only truly
22:17
Speaker 9: dependable military ally in the world. An ALLI is going
22:20
Speaker 9: to be there, and a ally that's willing to fight. Now,
22:22
Speaker 9: that's extraordinary. And I don't recall anything like that of
22:26
Speaker 9: the United States and Israel a cooperating at the level
22:28
Speaker 9: they're cooperating and mounting a joint defensific it's a common enemy.
22:32
Speaker 5: It's quite extraordinary, it is.
22:33
Speaker 1: And if people understood the tactical integration as well, to
22:37
Speaker 1: the extent that it's available, I think anyone who's studied
22:40
Speaker 1: and even reads lightly about war would be as doneged.
22:43
Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Lauren has a new piece over at Fox
22:46
Speaker 1: on the fact that we've been at war with They're
22:47
Speaker 1: on for forty seven years, same sort of thing I
22:50
Speaker 1: wrote for The Daily Wire today. So go over to
22:52
Speaker 1: Dr Michael Lauren on X and find it, or you
22:54
Speaker 1: can find it on my feet. I just reposted it
22:57
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you ambacheador or and I'll be right back.
23:02
Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm he Hewitt, joined now by Nada Nadav.
23:05
Speaker 1: Where do we find you today.
23:09
Speaker 10: Well, I'm right now in New Jersey going to teach
23:13
Speaker 10: my class tomorrow morning.
23:17
Speaker 5: Not far from here in New York.
23:19
Speaker 1: You are at the Columbia School of International and Public Affairs.
23:22
Speaker 1: What are you going to tell your students about this war?
23:25
Speaker 10: I'm going to tell them that this is a historic
23:28
Speaker 10: moment in the history of the Middle East.
23:32
Speaker 5: It's a watershed moment.
23:33
Speaker 4: It's the first.
23:34
Speaker 10: Time that Iran has been in a direct confrontation with
23:41
Speaker 10: the United States and Israel. Since its inception, the Islamic
23:44
Speaker 10: Republic has spoken, has prophesied about a judgment day in
23:51
Speaker 10: which there would be a confrontation between itself and the West.
23:56
Speaker 10: And that day has come, and it is very much
23:58
Speaker 10: related due to the actions of the Islamic Republic in
24:02
Speaker 10: those recent decades and the way that it has based
24:06
Speaker 10: its national narrative, its creed on the ideas of death
24:11
Speaker 10: to America and death to Israel and I'm also going
24:15
Speaker 10: to discuss with students who want to discuss the complexity
24:19
Speaker 10: of this problem.
24:21
Speaker 1: Will there be a.
24:22
Speaker 10: Change within the regime, Will there be a regime change
24:27
Speaker 10: the sort of a democratic revolution that the West would
24:29
Speaker 10: want to see. These matters are really very complex and nuanced,
24:35
Speaker 10: and I think this is how.
24:37
Speaker 1: We should approach them. Nada, I have a piece in
24:39
Speaker 1: the Daily Wire today about watching the original Iranian Revolution
24:43
Speaker 1: in the fall of seventy eight in January seventy nine
24:45
Speaker 1: with former President Nixon and Ray Price and San Clementy.
24:48
Speaker 1: I had just gotten out of college, the same age
24:50
Speaker 1: of your students should be talking to today, And how
24:52
Speaker 1: many came down the steps on February one, after the
24:55
Speaker 1: show had left a ten days earlier, twelve days earlier,
24:58
Speaker 1: and no one in the West had a idea what
25:00
Speaker 1: har Many was about. They thought it was like a
25:02
Speaker 1: green red revolution and everything would be flip flowered. His
25:07
Speaker 1: theology is so radical. Two questions, Do your students know
25:12
Speaker 1: what his theological worldview is and what we think how
25:15
Speaker 1: many two point zeros worldview is and do they know
25:17
Speaker 1: that how many two point zero hereditary succession is completely
25:21
Speaker 1: contradictory to what harmony himself preached.
25:26
Speaker 10: Yeah, these are excellent questions, and I'm not sure it
25:30
Speaker 10: really depends on what kind of classes they're taking you.
25:33
Speaker 10: But I think that it was an Israel back in
25:36
Speaker 10: nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty, and I've seen the articles
25:40
Speaker 10: to prove this.
25:41
Speaker 5: I can send you one.
25:42
Speaker 10: Just after the show, people were saying, this is going
25:45
Speaker 10: to be a disaster. This is Hominy is a hardliner,
25:49
Speaker 10: an extremist. He's going to take this country, the entire country.
25:53
Speaker 10: He's going to seize control. And that coalition that you
25:56
Speaker 10: spoke about, the Red and Green coalition, is just going
25:59
Speaker 10: to become green. It's just going to become Islamic. And
26:04
Speaker 10: what we're seeing now that you just mentioned the hereditary
26:07
Speaker 10: nature of the regime by electing much Daba Hami Nai
26:12
Speaker 10: as the leader, the son of Ali Haminna'i, this is
26:16
Speaker 10: maybe the final betrayal of the Islamic Republic with the
26:20
Speaker 10: idea that it tried to replace the hereditary rule, the
26:25
Speaker 10: idea of monarchy that has ruled Irand for thousands of years.
26:29
Speaker 10: They came and said no more, we are a republic.
26:34
Speaker 10: This is how they describe themselves. And yet the Council
26:37
Speaker 10: of experts elected the day before yesterday the son of
26:40
Speaker 10: the former leader to lead the country. And that tells
26:43
Speaker 10: you a lot about what has happened to the Islamic
26:46
Speaker 10: Republic and the difference between the promise of the Islamic Republic,
26:50
Speaker 10: which was we are going to be a free country
26:53
Speaker 10: and an Islamist country, and that promise almost immediately evaporated
26:59
Speaker 10: towards authority.
27:01
Speaker 1: Dob I listened with you and a mate and Dan Senor,
27:04
Speaker 1: and he shouldn't be the moderate guy in Israel. So
27:07
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you that I wanted the audience
27:09
Speaker 1: to know this. Republicans are fully support of this war
27:12
Speaker 1: almost ninety percent, Democrats almost ninety five percent against it,
27:17
Speaker 1: Independent sort of three quarters against it. It doesn't matter
27:21
Speaker 1: right now. I mean to see how it ends. What's
27:23
Speaker 1: the feeling in Israel about this war, and how it
27:26
Speaker 1: has to end.
27:29
Speaker 10: The feeling in Israel, and that's almost the consensus in Israel,
27:33
Speaker 10: more than eighty percent, is that it needs to end
27:36
Speaker 10: with the resounding defeat of the Islamic Republic. It's sort
27:41
Speaker 10: of a change within the regime or a change of
27:44
Speaker 10: the regime.
27:45
Speaker 1: President Trump, I think said it best.
27:48
Speaker 10: It's not about trying to install someone else specifically there.
27:53
Speaker 10: It's about the Islamic republic answering some basic conditions, for instance,
27:58
Speaker 10: not supporting terror across the region. This is how Israelis
28:01
Speaker 10: feel about this. And if you look at Israeli opposition,
28:05
Speaker 10: the chairman of the opposition, the chairman of the opposition
28:08
Speaker 10: is the one who's now recommending the government to bomb
28:11
Speaker 10: Hog Island, where the entire oil installations and gas installations
28:16
Speaker 10: of the Islamic Republic are located. This is is Lapede
28:19
Speaker 10: who is saying that a sworn political rival of Prime
28:23
Speaker 10: Minister NATANIAO. So this gives you an idea the extent
28:27
Speaker 10: of a unity in Israel in reference to the war.
28:31
Speaker 10: Having said that, I don't want to sugarcoat this. This
28:33
Speaker 10: is a difficult war for Israeli Habalas joined the war.
28:37
Speaker 10: People are running for the shelters sometimes every few minutes,
28:42
Speaker 10: and they are traumatized because of three years of war
28:45
Speaker 10: that began with the mass massacre on our southern border
28:49
Speaker 10: on October seven.
28:50
Speaker 1: So they want this over.
28:51
Speaker 10: And as we can see on the screen and we
28:53
Speaker 10: just saw, there are also damages and this is significant.
28:59
Speaker 10: And because of that, people are saying We're willing to
29:02
Speaker 10: suffer now if this means that Iran will be taking
29:08
Speaker 10: off as a thread for the next two decades. But
29:11
Speaker 10: we definitely want this to end with something that is meaningful.
29:15
Speaker 10: Whether or not this could be achieved, the jury is
29:18
Speaker 10: still out about that now.
29:19
Speaker 1: I lost on it. For Israelis you meet doctor orn
29:23
Speaker 1: and Abe and you all have different, very different nuanced
29:27
Speaker 1: takes on questions. But this one I want to ask
29:30
Speaker 1: all of you. Hezbolla appears to be offering a shepherd piece.
29:34
Speaker 1: They're getting that crap kicked out of it, and they
29:37
Speaker 1: may be breaking with Lebanon, and they may be breaking
29:40
Speaker 1: with Iran. Would you accept the shepherd piece? Is a
29:43
Speaker 1: good idea with Hesbala right.
29:45
Speaker 10: Now, with hisbel itself, of course not, But with the
29:48
Speaker 10: state of Flebanon, that could be a very good idea
29:52
Speaker 10: if the state of Flebon can actually disarm Hballah. The
29:56
Speaker 10: idea in Lebanon, the consensus in Lebanon, the UN Security
30:00
Speaker 10: Counsel of the Decisions is that after the idea we
30:03
Speaker 10: drew from Lebanon in the year two thousand, there is
30:05
Speaker 10: no reason for his Bala to exist as an armed militia.
30:10
Speaker 1: It's not only an armed militia.
30:11
Speaker 10: It's the most heavily funded and founded military group terror
30:16
Speaker 10: group in the entire world. And what the Lebanese are
30:19
Speaker 10: now saying that I think you're referring to is that
30:21
Speaker 10: let's let's negotiate directly with this world first time in history.
30:25
Speaker 10: Let's even maybe sort of have an agreement there. I
30:28
Speaker 10: think that's an excellent idea if we can get that done.
30:31
Speaker 1: Nadada, I always go to talk to you, continue to play,
30:34
Speaker 1: doing more and more and more insider over at ram
30:37
Speaker 1: scene or his place. Call me back, get the inside
30:40
Speaker 1: edition so you don't mention a minute of nadav or
30:42
Speaker 1: a may thank you, Nadad. I'll be right back to
30:44
Speaker 1: America VIII. Arter back in America. I'm yet solely as Vito,
30:51
Speaker 1: as calmness of the world. She writes for the Washington Post,
30:54
Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, for the New York Post,
30:56
Speaker 1: for the Washington Examiners, probably writes Frather things I don't
30:59
Speaker 1: know about, Selena. How are you?
31:03
Speaker 7: Oh, just live in the dream.
31:04
Speaker 11: The sun is out, which is very rare, so I'm
31:07
Speaker 11: enjoying it.
31:08
Speaker 1: It's Pittsburgh. You can't get your hopes done has the
31:10
Speaker 1: President called you recently? He was talking to Brian kill
31:12
Speaker 1: Me last night, right before the show, so I think
31:14
Speaker 1: he likes to call people right before their shows.
31:18
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a show.
31:20
Speaker 11: I talked to him a week ago, but we've talked
31:25
Speaker 11: about East Palestine and the ten million dollars that he
31:28
Speaker 11: got for economic development in the downtown area and infrastructure,
31:33
Speaker 11: but not the war.
31:36
Speaker 1: No, not the war, all right, so just give me.
31:40
Speaker 1: You haven't been spun by the president then, yet? What
31:42
Speaker 1: do you think of the battle with Iran?
31:46
Speaker 11: Well, so I'm going to I have to base it
31:48
Speaker 11: on the interviews I've been doing with people, and you know,
31:53
Speaker 11: there's overwhelming support.
31:55
Speaker 7: You know, you and I have talked about this before.
31:58
Speaker 11: It's two different worlds you straddle when you are when
32:02
Speaker 11: you are a reporter. There's the one that you live
32:06
Speaker 11: in and you report from, in particular if you're coming
32:09
Speaker 11: for places like I do right Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.
32:13
Speaker 11: And then there's no online world, which is very very
32:18
Speaker 11: different and people have very very different motivations outside of
32:22
Speaker 11: their honest feelings about something to how they form their opinion.
32:28
Speaker 11: That's a long way of me saying people are very
32:31
Speaker 11: supportive of this.
32:32
Speaker 1: They understood. Let me play you a little clip of
32:35
Speaker 1: Harry Anton on CNN and get your reaction to it.
32:38
Speaker 1: Cut number two.
32:40
Speaker 12: Overall public and those who are either currently or have
32:43
Speaker 12: served in the military. Take a look at this Fox
32:45
Speaker 12: newspap that came out during the past week net approval
32:48
Speaker 12: rating of the current US military action against Ron. Look
32:51
Speaker 12: at that overall Fox News shows a dead even split,
32:54
Speaker 12: But look at those who served in the military significantly
32:57
Speaker 12: higher support for the US military action currently going on
33:00
Speaker 12: in Iran at plus twenty points.
33:02
Speaker 1: Selena, veterans know who we're fighting. My son, my son
33:07
Speaker 1: in law, my nephew, they've all been attacked by Iran
33:10
Speaker 1: when they were in uniform. Well, there's no doubt among
33:13
Speaker 1: the veterans. I mean there might be a few, there
33:14
Speaker 1: are all the few, but it's over They know the
33:17
Speaker 1: enemy and I think that makes a huge difference here.
33:21
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really it's really interesting. And you know, even
33:25
Speaker 11: Paul Skins, the cy Young Award, a winning pitcher.
33:30
Speaker 7: For the Pirates, right. I don't know if you've seen him.
33:33
Speaker 7: He's absolutely amazing.
33:35
Speaker 3: I have a really great piece with him this today.
33:38
Speaker 11: But his support for the military and for the country
33:42
Speaker 11: as he's getting ready to pitch tonight in the World
33:46
Speaker 11: Baseball Series. I think just exemplifies how military men and
33:52
Speaker 11: women feel about Iran, because no other country has killed
33:56
Speaker 11: more in this in this century of measure than Iran.
34:01
Speaker 1: Well said, I was a little bit surprised because I
34:04
Speaker 1: wasn't aware that Pittsburgh had a professional ball club anymore.
34:08
Speaker 1: Tell me soddenly, I'm sorry. I know you love your
34:11
Speaker 1: party is amazing.
34:13
Speaker 11: He's absolutely amazing.
34:15
Speaker 3: And his love of country.
34:16
Speaker 7: You know, people don't know he's served. He was in
34:18
Speaker 7: the Air Force Academy.
34:19
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Where tell us his name and
34:22
Speaker 1: he's a National League player. I don't follow him because
34:24
Speaker 1: he doesn't get to the postseason, because he's with the Pirates.
34:28
Speaker 7: All Skins.
34:30
Speaker 11: He's pitching tonight. Take a look at my story at
34:34
Speaker 11: Zito Selena, just about his level of country, love of military,
34:38
Speaker 11: how proud he is to be playing tonight.
34:40
Speaker 7: He's pitching tonight.
34:41
Speaker 11: The United States has just been crushing it in this series,
34:45
Speaker 11: and if people haven't been watching it, I highly recommend
34:48
Speaker 11: that you do. It is such an expression of patriotism
34:52
Speaker 11: and passion for our country among these players it's really amazing.
34:56
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got the one Democrat in Pennsylvania supports
35:00
Speaker 1: the troops and the war. John Fetterman, what happened to
35:03
Speaker 1: the Democrats that we grew up with? Selena As I'm
35:06
Speaker 1: with Brian kill me last night. I just said, this
35:08
Speaker 1: is not Fdr Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, not even Bill Clinton.
35:12
Speaker 1: They're all against this combat and they won't fund it.
35:17
Speaker 11: You know who stuns me the most is Mark Warner.
35:21
Speaker 11: He really has done a complete change, right. He's really
35:28
Speaker 11: become sort of strident. If Republican or Trump, it's not
35:33
Speaker 11: just Trump anymore. If a Republican is attached to it,
35:37
Speaker 11: he is stridently against it. He could be against school
35:40
Speaker 11: crossing crossing guards. If Donald Trump said let's all support
35:45
Speaker 11: school crossing guards and give them, give them a draise,
35:48
Speaker 11: he'd be against it.
35:49
Speaker 1: It's the Democratic Party disease. Mark Warner is a very
35:52
Speaker 1: smart man. I've met him a few times, very smart guy.
35:55
Speaker 1: But the Virginia Democratic Party has gone way left, and
35:58
Speaker 1: so you have to worry about that if you're an
36:00
Speaker 1: incumbent center I don't know if they'll ever vote for
36:03
Speaker 1: a Democratic for supplemental for the war. I hope you
36:07
Speaker 1: follow that story and Zito Selena dot com reader story
36:11
Speaker 1: on the world series and that Buck who is planning
36:13
Speaker 1: for it whatever his name is, or just follower at
36:17
Speaker 1: Zito Selena on x or go to Selenazito dot com
36:21
Speaker 1: for everything that you write. Welcome back to America. I'm
36:24
Speaker 1: Hewett Leland vittert rejoins us. He was last on when
36:28
Speaker 1: his wonderful book Born Lucky came out. Continues to sell
36:31
Speaker 1: like hotcake or to touch an extraordinary look into the
36:34
Speaker 1: lifetime in childhood, especially of children who are born somewhere
36:38
Speaker 1: on the spectrum. Leland is a though on today because
36:42
Speaker 1: he's a war correspondence, war course bonding. He's in the
36:44
Speaker 1: studio now with Unbalance every night over at NewsNation. But
36:48
Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about covering this war. Leland,
36:50
Speaker 1: how are you well?
36:52
Speaker 8: Once a war coorse find is always a war corse
36:54
Speaker 8: bonder hughes. So sometimes, as you know, the arrows and
36:58
Speaker 8: knives of a Washington news are worse than that. Actually
37:01
Speaker 8: in war I.
37:03
Speaker 1: Don't know that because I've never had to work in
37:04
Speaker 1: a newsroom in DC. The newsroom I had was PBS
37:07
Speaker 1: INLA and that was pretty bad. But that's okay, Leland.
37:11
Speaker 1: I want to ask you Number one, there's so much
37:14
Speaker 1: available on the web that it is difficult to distinguish
37:18
Speaker 1: between AI generated disinformation and hard facts. What filters are
37:23
Speaker 1: you putting up to make sure you only learn what's true?
37:28
Speaker 8: Well, trying my very best to cross reference everything I
37:31
Speaker 8: hear number one. Number two, cross referencing not only sort
37:36
Speaker 8: of what you're hearing in seeing online, but with real
37:40
Speaker 8: people who are either in the region or involved in
37:44
Speaker 8: the government in other places where they are in a
37:46
Speaker 8: position to independently verify so much of this. But you're
37:50
Speaker 8: right that AI has created a fog of war, and
37:54
Speaker 8: you could say call it a fog of journalism, which
37:57
Speaker 8: is far greater than anything we ever had to deal
38:00
Speaker 8: with before.
38:00
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Now, what I'm trying to do
38:02
Speaker 1: is find facts. When someone like the IDF puts out
38:06
Speaker 1: the number of attacks that decreased by ninety percent, We've
38:10
Speaker 1: destroyed eighty percent of their launchers, but those percent of
38:13
Speaker 1: drones are getting through, or the UAE post their daily
38:16
Speaker 1: Defense Ministry stats. I rely on that, And when we
38:20
Speaker 1: sink ships in the Iranian Navy, I rely on that.
38:22
Speaker 1: And we always tell people our casualties, but how do
38:25
Speaker 1: we What else do you look for other than the IDF,
38:28
Speaker 1: the scentcom feed, the UAE feed. What else are you
38:31
Speaker 1: relying on?
38:35
Speaker 8: Relying a lot on trying to see what's happening on
38:40
Speaker 8: the ground. And I think the one thing to be
38:43
Speaker 8: watching for right now is whether or not there are
38:47
Speaker 8: protests on the ground in Iran.
38:50
Speaker 3: We have not seen a lot of video of that.
38:52
Speaker 3: That's something I'm watching for.
38:55
Speaker 8: I'm watching the price of oil because I think that
38:57
Speaker 8: is sort of signifying howc usful the Iranians are and causing.
39:02
Speaker 3: The one pain point they have left.
39:05
Speaker 8: I'm watching for what the Iranian drones have been able
39:08
Speaker 8: to destroy in terms of US military hardware, not only
39:13
Speaker 8: the casualties, but the very high end US military hardware.
39:18
Speaker 8: I'm also watching for what's not being said. Sometimes and
39:21
Speaker 8: often what's not being said, which in this case is
39:24
Speaker 8: a specific goal by the administration of what they view
39:28
Speaker 8: as the end of this war may be the most
39:31
Speaker 8: important things leland.
39:33
Speaker 1: Which war tell of the audience who may not be
39:35
Speaker 1: familiar with how many years you spent war zone, where
39:39
Speaker 1: you went, when you went, what you saw.
39:42
Speaker 3: Four years in the Middle East.
39:44
Speaker 8: So a couple of Gaza Wars, the Libyan Revolution, the
39:49
Speaker 8: Egyptian Revolution, covered the Syrian Revolution, some time in the Gulf,
39:54
Speaker 8: a little bit of the uprising in Turkey, and then
39:58
Speaker 8: spent the last month my overseas tour in Ukraine's the
40:02
Speaker 8: first Russian invasion in twenty fourteen.
40:04
Speaker 1: So that's the perfect setup. In the ten years that
40:07
Speaker 1: have elapsed since the twelve years since you were in Ukraine,
40:10
Speaker 1: war has changed. I've been in this game for since
40:14
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine in broadcast, and I've been studying Iran
40:18
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy eight with Richard Nixon. It's completely different.
40:22
Speaker 1: The drones is completely different. Do you think the American
40:27
Speaker 1: consuming audience understands how different war has become?
40:32
Speaker 8: Well, they may not, but they will once they watch
40:34
Speaker 8: on Balance at nine pm tonight on News Nation, or
40:37
Speaker 8: they listen to this interview on the Uhwite Show, because
40:39
Speaker 8: that's what we're talking about tonight.
40:42
Speaker 10: It is.
40:44
Speaker 8: Beyond incompetence from the US military that they did not
40:48
Speaker 8: plan better for the low end military threat.
40:52
Speaker 1: Right.
40:52
Speaker 8: The US is just extraordinary at the high end of
40:55
Speaker 8: being able to intercept ballistic missiles and shoot down.
41:00
Speaker 3: Incoming fighter jets, in the light.
41:02
Speaker 8: What they're not good at, and what the past week
41:05
Speaker 8: has proved that they have a very hard time doing
41:08
Speaker 8: is intercepting massive amounts of Iranian drones coming in in swarms.
41:14
Speaker 8: And what is stunning to meet, Hugh, and I think
41:16
Speaker 8: what you're getting at is that this was so predictable
41:19
Speaker 8: because it's exactly what the Russians have been doing to
41:21
Speaker 8: the Ukrainians with Iranian drones, and the US military seem
41:26
Speaker 8: just not to plant that.
41:27
Speaker 3: You're showing videos of Tomahawk.
41:28
Speaker 8: Missiles that cost two and three million dollars apiece, and
41:31
Speaker 8: the interceptors that go up can be four or five
41:34
Speaker 8: million dollars apiece, and we're spending those using those trying
41:40
Speaker 8: to shoot down twenty thousand dollars drones.
41:42
Speaker 3: It is not a good investment here.
41:44
Speaker 1: There are two things that I haven't seen, Leland, maybe
41:46
Speaker 1: you have. I saw a brief bit of open intel
41:50
Speaker 1: that the growler, which dispatches from the carriers. Although there
41:53
Speaker 1: is an expeditionary squadron of growlers that can fly from
41:56
Speaker 1: Air Force bases, but they're on carre they can bring
41:59
Speaker 1: down drones in dramatic number. I don't know how many
42:02
Speaker 1: growlers we have and how often they're deployed. The second
42:06
Speaker 1: thing is that our pights, which are sub hundreds. The
42:09
Speaker 1: Iranian Navy had five subs at the beginning, five real
42:12
Speaker 1: big subs. One has been sunk, but they had a
42:14
Speaker 1: lot of mini subs. Have you sent any open source
42:17
Speaker 1: stuff on that.
42:19
Speaker 8: I have not, But I think what you're seeing in
42:22
Speaker 8: terms of a direction, and we'll have a little bit
42:24
Speaker 8: more on this tonight, is the fact that the US
42:27
Speaker 8: Navy is not transiting the sort of straight of war
42:29
Speaker 8: moves and providing tanker escorts that we know of right
42:32
Speaker 8: now tell you. I think that Central Command does not
42:35
Speaker 8: yet confidently understand what the Iranian capabilities are, what's survived
42:41
Speaker 8: from an Iranian capability standpoint in the straight of war
42:44
Speaker 8: moves in the very close in coastal waterways around Iraq,
42:51
Speaker 8: And that to me is once we start seeing that,
42:54
Speaker 8: that will tell us that the United States Central Command
42:58
Speaker 8: is much more confident about that.
43:00
Speaker 3: It's no surprise right that President Trump.
43:02
Speaker 8: In his opening statement about the Iranian attack, Ranian war, whatever.
43:07
Speaker 3: You want to call it.
43:08
Speaker 8: Instead, we've gone after Iran's navy, and that's because everyone
43:12
Speaker 8: knew that the straight of hor.
43:14
Speaker 3: Moves was the checkpoint.
43:15
Speaker 8: This was Iran's blackmail, and I think it speaks volumes
43:21
Speaker 8: to why this war has been necessary, that the Iranians
43:24
Speaker 8: have handled themselves and done what they have done to
43:27
Speaker 8: try to economically blackmail the world.
43:30
Speaker 1: Last question, Leland I turned down on Mark Montgomery. Of course,
43:33
Speaker 1: Senator Cotton's on a little bit later. People who have
43:36
Speaker 1: access to open source and closed source, and they're careful,
43:39
Speaker 1: who's your goad to guy? You haven't got Jack King,
43:42
Speaker 1: mister war on Fox. I don't either. Who's your go
43:45
Speaker 1: to people for military expertise?
43:50
Speaker 8: There a couple of people who will both be on tonight.
43:52
Speaker 8: One is Kirk Lippold, who was the commander of the
43:55
Speaker 8: USS Cole but who understands these waters. He's been in
43:58
Speaker 8: the straight of hor Moves time and time again. I
44:00
Speaker 8: think he has something like forty crossings right now, so
44:04
Speaker 8: he understands those waters, and to your point, can not
44:07
Speaker 8: only look at the open source intel, but look at
44:09
Speaker 8: what's happening and then tell us why it's happening, to
44:12
Speaker 8: extrapolate out what the reality on the ground is.
44:15
Speaker 3: And then we've also found a great guest.
44:18
Speaker 8: I know he's available to come on your show is
44:20
Speaker 8: a guy named John Tikert who was an F twenty
44:22
Speaker 8: two pilot and a commander of the Edwards Air Force
44:26
Speaker 8: Base Test Squadron that did all of the Air Force
44:30
Speaker 8: testing in terms for aircraft air defenses, on and on
44:33
Speaker 8: and on and lastly, he finished up his career as
44:37
Speaker 8: a one star general as the US military acts Shay
44:39
Speaker 8: to a rock, so he understands the region on top
44:42
Speaker 8: of all that in terms of air powers invaluable.
44:46
Speaker 1: F twenty two the apex predator really of all military systems.
44:50
Speaker 1: Leyland Vetter. Clean water is not complicated, but it is essential.
44:55
Speaker 1: Without it, public health suffer, education, declined, economic stability. It
45:00
Speaker 1: weekends if it doesn't collapse. Across Latin America and the Caribbean,
45:04
Speaker 1: families are facing that reality of unclean water. Every day.
45:08
Speaker 1: Mothers walk miles for clean water. Children are exposed to
45:11
Speaker 1: preventable diseases because they haven't got it. Communities are held
45:14
Speaker 1: back by the absence of basic clean water access. But
45:18
Speaker 1: strategic compassion changes outcomes. Through food for the poor, Your
45:22
Speaker 1: gift provides safe and living water, improving how strengthening communities,
45:27
Speaker 1: and supporting gospeled centered transformation through trusted local partnerships. This
45:32
Speaker 1: is a measurable impact with lasting results. Your gift to
45:35
Speaker 1: fifty dollars ensures two people have safe and living water,
45:39
Speaker 1: or four one hundred dollars a family of four will
45:41
Speaker 1: be transformed for a year. I hope you act.
45:44
Speaker 13: Text Hewett Hgwitt. That's Hewett, Hgwitt to five to one
45:50
Speaker 13: five fifty five. That's Hewett to fifty one five five five,
45:55
Speaker 13: or visit Hhewitt dot com right now and click on
45:57
Speaker 13: the blue giving living Water banner at the top to
46:01
Speaker 13: provide living water today and thank you.
46:04
Speaker 1: I interrupt my war coverage to bring to you a
46:06
Speaker 1: very special guest, doctor Ross Green. He is one of
46:09
Speaker 1: the leading educators in America is the author of the
46:11
Speaker 1: brand new book The Kids who Aren't Okay. The Kids
46:15
Speaker 1: who Aren't Okay came out last week just as the
46:18
Speaker 1: war broke out, so I did not get the attention
46:20
Speaker 1: it deserved. But I want to make sure that the
46:23
Speaker 1: parents and teachers of America's fifty million K through twelve
46:26
Speaker 1: kids know about the kids who Aren't Okay. So doctor
46:30
Speaker 1: Ross Green agreed degree joined me today. Doctor Green, how
46:33
Speaker 1: are you and where are you?
46:35
Speaker 4: I'm in Freeport Maine, a territory you know well, and
46:39
Speaker 4: I'm probably a little colder than you.
46:41
Speaker 1: Are ll being still open, I'm sure, doctor Green. I
46:44
Speaker 1: want to ask you, would you tell people at the
46:48
Speaker 1: beginning of this your long intervention in American education, especially
46:54
Speaker 1: in the restrained industrial system, as a way of trying
46:57
Speaker 1: to set up why you wrote the kids who aren't okay?
47:02
Speaker 4: I wrote the kids who aren't okay because we are
47:04
Speaker 4: still manhandling a lot of kids who aren't okay. It's
47:08
Speaker 4: called the restraint industry. We keep teaching our educators what
47:12
Speaker 4: to do when it's already too late, and there are
47:16
Speaker 4: a lot of kids who aren't doing very well right now,
47:19
Speaker 4: and we have to open our eyes to that.
47:21
Speaker 1: In my grandkids school district, a child died from restraint
47:25
Speaker 1: in December, and of course they're facing an enormous lawsuit.
47:29
Speaker 1: How often does that happen in America?
47:34
Speaker 4: Restraint happens more often than we think. It's about seventy
47:37
Speaker 4: to one hundred thousand times a year, depending on whose
47:40
Speaker 4: statistics you believe. Death, which is the most extreme outcome,
47:46
Speaker 4: we average about two or three deaths per year, based
47:50
Speaker 4: on the most recent research that I'm aware of.
47:53
Speaker 1: All right now, doctor, you wrote this book, and I
47:56
Speaker 1: say it often because Franklin's taught me. Unless you say
47:58
Speaker 1: in the title of a book seven times times, people
48:00
Speaker 1: won't remember the kids who Aren't Okay. So I will
48:03
Speaker 1: say the kids who Aren't Okay at least seven times
48:05
Speaker 1: in every segment. I'm overwhelmed by it. When I got
48:08
Speaker 1: the page one seventy four, evidence based Treatment, I was
48:11
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking to myself, my God, how do we
48:15
Speaker 1: solve these problems? Do you run into that a lot?
48:18
Speaker 1: Because there are it's overwhelming.
48:23
Speaker 4: It's it's thick. I'll say that schools definitely implement a
48:29
Speaker 4: lot of programs that are not evidence based. The model
48:33
Speaker 4: contained in The Kids who Aren't Okay is evidence based.
48:37
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of my career doing research on
48:41
Speaker 4: the model. It works, but we do have to sort
48:45
Speaker 4: of plow through all of these structures that are in place,
48:48
Speaker 4: all of these programs that we already do. Once we
48:52
Speaker 4: can get comfortable enough to take a look at our
48:55
Speaker 4: practices and whether they're actually working, it's not that hard
48:59
Speaker 4: to start doing the right thing.
49:01
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the right thing in a moment,
49:03
Speaker 1: but I think the summary quote that I want to
49:05
Speaker 1: take aways on page seventy five when you dip into
49:07
Speaker 1: your Shakespeare knowledge and quote the Bard saying better three
49:11
Speaker 1: hours too soon than a minute too late, And that
49:15
Speaker 1: is a summary of the whole book. Intervene early, figure
49:19
Speaker 1: out what's going on with a kid who acts up
49:23
Speaker 1: and has troubles facing the problems that they're dealing with.
49:26
Speaker 1: They can't solve problem better to intervene early. Is that
49:29
Speaker 1: a fair summary? Doctor?
49:32
Speaker 4: It is certainly my favorite point of the book, and
49:36
Speaker 4: that is that so much of what we're teaching educators
49:40
Speaker 4: to do is about crisis management. It's not that hard
49:45
Speaker 4: to start being crisis prevention oriented. We can be early
49:50
Speaker 4: instead of late. But there's a lot of training and
49:53
Speaker 4: a lot of structures in schools that point us toward
49:57
Speaker 4: being late, to the detriment of both both the kids
50:00
Speaker 4: who aren't okay and the people who are trying to
50:03
Speaker 4: help them out in schools.
50:04
Speaker 1: Now, I feel for teachers after reading this book, because
50:08
Speaker 1: there's a bell curve in every school system. They're going
50:11
Speaker 1: to have children who don't problem solve very well and
50:14
Speaker 1: who act out in different ways. And the illustrations you
50:17
Speaker 1: provide throughout the book are jarring. Really really jarring. I
50:21
Speaker 1: don't know how teachers do it. When did this to
50:24
Speaker 1: begin to be noticed by you as a recurring pattern
50:29
Speaker 1: of modern American education as well as the wrong solutions
50:32
Speaker 1: to it.
50:35
Speaker 4: Well, I started working with behaviorally challenging kids in graduate school,
50:42
Speaker 4: started working with them in schools as a natural progression.
50:45
Speaker 4: If you're working with kids with behavioral challenges, you're working
50:48
Speaker 4: with them in schools, not just with them in families.
50:53
Speaker 4: And that's when it became apparent to me that it
50:55
Speaker 4: was the same kids, ten or fifteen in every school,
50:58
Speaker 4: depending on the size of the school, who are accounting
51:01
Speaker 4: for seventy to eighty percent of the discipline referrals in
51:03
Speaker 4: that school and seventy to eighty percent of the punitive,
51:08
Speaker 4: exclusionary disciplinary practices that were being administered in that school.
51:13
Speaker 4: And I noticed that we just kept doing this stuff
51:17
Speaker 4: over and over again, even though it clearly wasn't working.
51:22
Speaker 4: And that is still true today. We have a lot
51:26
Speaker 4: of reliance on behavior modification. But and this is a
51:31
Speaker 4: key to the book. As you know, focusing on behavior
51:35
Speaker 4: is not where the action's at. I get why we're
51:37
Speaker 4: focused on behavior. It's the part that is most disruptive
51:41
Speaker 4: to the classroom most dangerous. But behind every concerning behavior
51:47
Speaker 4: is a problem that's causing it. Those problems can be
51:51
Speaker 4: identified proactively, they can be solved proactively. If we stay
51:58
Speaker 4: focused on behavior, we're going to be late every single time.
52:02
Speaker 1: Now, on page sixty one, you use that term. Ten
52:05
Speaker 1: to fifteen percent of children in school account for seventy
52:08
Speaker 1: to eighty percent of the discipline referrals. So that does
52:13
Speaker 1: it telegraphs to me that the AUSP ought to be
52:15
Speaker 1: developed very quickly for the ten to fifteen percent. That's
52:18
Speaker 1: the term of art that I want people to take
52:21
Speaker 1: away the AUSP. Would you tell people what it is?
52:25
Speaker 1: And as well, what the CPS is. Those are the
52:27
Speaker 1: two most common acronyms in the book, and so let's
52:31
Speaker 1: lay it out.
52:31
Speaker 4: For him ASUP is the assessment of skills and unsolved problems.
52:38
Speaker 4: It helps us move in thirty to forty five minutes
52:43
Speaker 4: from focusing on a kid's concerning behavior, which is just
52:47
Speaker 4: their frustration response. I use those terms interchangeably to the
52:52
Speaker 4: problems that are causing those behaviors that often have never
52:56
Speaker 4: even been identified, let alone solved. Every year, those problems,
53:01
Speaker 4: I call them unsolved problems, just get punted from one
53:06
Speaker 4: teacher the next. Year after year after a while, we
53:10
Speaker 4: have a student who has this massive pile of unsolved problems.
53:16
Speaker 4: We've been punishing them like there's no tomorrow. We've been
53:19
Speaker 4: giving them stickers and rewarding them in other ways. Their
53:22
Speaker 4: concerning behavior is continuing because the problems that are causing
53:26
Speaker 4: those behaviors are still unsolved. The Assessment of Skills and
53:31
Speaker 4: Unsolved problem, what I call ASIP, helps us fix that.
53:35
Speaker 4: I do not have a proprietary interest in it. It's
53:38
Speaker 4: free on the website of the nonprofit I've founded, Lives
53:42
Speaker 4: in the Balance. CPS stands for collaborative and proactive Solutions.
53:48
Speaker 4: Once you identify those problems proactively, you can solve them proactively.
53:56
Speaker 4: But not only proactively collaboratively.
54:00
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, I was gonna say, lives Inthebalance dot org.
54:05
Speaker 1: I want people to make sure they know the website
54:07
Speaker 1: as well as the title of the book, Lives Inthebalance
54:09
Speaker 1: dot org. But go ahead proactively.
54:11
Speaker 4: Means proactively means don't wait till the heat in the
54:16
Speaker 4: moment to try to solve this highly predictable, unsolved problem.
54:20
Speaker 4: This is not the first time Timmy has had difficulty
54:24
Speaker 4: completing the double digit division problems on the worksheet in math,
54:27
Speaker 4: it's the ninety seventh time. Why are we stuck in
54:30
Speaker 4: the heat of the moment yet again dealing with Timmy's
54:35
Speaker 4: frustration response and sending Timmy to this cool disciplinarian so
54:40
Speaker 4: that someone can give consequences for Timmy's frustration response. We'd
54:46
Speaker 4: be saving a ton of time if we're identifying those
54:49
Speaker 4: problems proactively and solving the proactively. But the other keyword
54:53
Speaker 4: is collaboratively. Timmy has to be an integral, indispensable part
55:00
Speaker 4: of the problem solving process. Otherwise, US adults who tend
55:04
Speaker 4: to divine what's getting in Timmy's way and tend to
55:09
Speaker 4: divine solutions will keep doing that and somebody very important
55:14
Speaker 4: is then going to be out of the loop. Timmy.
55:17
Speaker 1: Well, I like that you just used the word punt,
55:19
Speaker 1: doctor Green, because in my notes you never use it.
55:22
Speaker 1: In the book, you see, it's method C, method A
55:26
Speaker 1: for dealing with unsolved problems A B and C. Method
55:29
Speaker 1: C is to punt. By the way, it's okay to
55:31
Speaker 1: punt on some problems, you just can't punt on them all.
55:35
Speaker 1: Is that a fair summary as well?
55:38
Speaker 4: You're punting temporarily. I called it putting the problem on hold.
55:43
Speaker 4: When I say punting, I mean kicking the can down
55:45
Speaker 4: the road. But these kids, these kids who have a
55:49
Speaker 4: lot of unsolved problems, you're not going to be able
55:52
Speaker 4: to solve them all at once once they're identified. So
55:54
Speaker 4: you're going to have to put some of them on
55:56
Speaker 4: hold for a while until you can get to them,
55:59
Speaker 4: or until you feel like the kid is actually able
56:01
Speaker 4: to meet the expectation. We've been causing a lot of
56:05
Speaker 4: concerning behavior in our schools by putting expectations on kids
56:10
Speaker 4: we already know they can't meet. Who should you ask
56:14
Speaker 4: about that? They're teachers.
56:16
Speaker 1: I'll be right back with doctor Ross Green, author of
56:19
Speaker 1: the brand new book The Kids who Aren't Okay. And
56:22
Speaker 1: if you're the parent, teacher, and grandparent, friend of one
56:24
Speaker 1: of the kids who Aren't Okay, that's ten to fifteen percent.
56:27
Speaker 1: You want to get this book and you want to
56:29
Speaker 1: go and find Lives in the Balance dot org. Stay ten.
56:37
Speaker 1: Walking back in America, I'm Hugh Herett with doctor Ross Green,
56:40
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the ten to fifteen percent of
56:42
Speaker 1: America is fifty million, roughly K through twelve students who
56:46
Speaker 1: have unsolved problems and therefore become discipline issues and sometimes
56:51
Speaker 1: lead to crisis in the classroom. Everybody loses. It doesn't
56:54
Speaker 1: have to be that way, but the complex, this military
56:59
Speaker 1: industry complex of education, has been spinning out the same
57:03
Speaker 1: solution for decades and it's not working, Doctor Green over
57:06
Speaker 1: on page fifty five. Yeah, the closer look, where does
57:10
Speaker 1: the National Education Association stand on restraint and seclusion? Which
57:15
Speaker 1: is the typical approach.
57:16
Speaker 14: And there follows four of the densest pages of gobbledegook
57:20
Speaker 14: because the NEA doesn't really want to tell people what
57:24
Speaker 14: to do. I'm very glad you approached it that way
57:27
Speaker 14: because I wanted to see they really just don't want
57:30
Speaker 14: to say anything, do they.
57:33
Speaker 4: I think that it's been hard for them to take
57:35
Speaker 4: a strong stand, and that might be in fact, I
57:42
Speaker 4: suspect this is the case because they are hearing from
57:45
Speaker 4: their constituents that they still need these obsolete practices. Restraining
57:52
Speaker 4: meaning pinning a kid to the ground, usually by three
57:55
Speaker 4: to four adults. Seclusion meaning throwing the kid into a
58:00
Speaker 4: locked or blocked closet sized seclusion room. There's a lot
58:06
Speaker 4: of educators who still believe that those practices are necessary
58:10
Speaker 4: and point to how difficult some of their students are
58:14
Speaker 4: as evidence of that. The students are still difficult because
58:20
Speaker 4: of the other obsolete practices that we continue to apply
58:24
Speaker 4: to them. If they don't do better, you're going to
58:27
Speaker 4: get them into a frustration response. You are going to
58:31
Speaker 4: do what seems like a necessary practice, pin into the ground,
58:36
Speaker 4: throw them into a closet sized room. When educators implement
58:42
Speaker 4: the CPS model, those practices pretty much disappear because they're
58:48
Speaker 4: not necessary anymore.
58:50
Speaker 1: Now, doctor Green, I want to stress this. When people
58:52
Speaker 1: do the AUSP, the assessment as student as you know,
58:58
Speaker 1: I'm terrible as up. Yeah, assessment AUSP of skills and
59:05
Speaker 1: problem assessment of unsolved problems. When they do the AUSP,
59:09
Speaker 1: they are going to get a long list, and you
59:12
Speaker 1: encourage them. Don't hesitate to split the problem into its
59:17
Speaker 1: composite parts. That by the way, an engineering solution. Don't
59:20
Speaker 1: try and solve everything in one long assessment of the
59:23
Speaker 1: but take the time to list the component parts. That's
59:27
Speaker 1: hard for people because when they write something down, they
59:31
Speaker 1: know they're going to have to confront it. Can you
59:33
Speaker 1: get that message through? Break it down? Break it It's
59:36
Speaker 1: like diagramming a sentence diagram the problems.
59:41
Speaker 4: So just as a concrete example, and maybe this goes
59:44
Speaker 4: back to engineering, I'm not sure. We're not going to
59:46
Speaker 4: write down We're not going to try to talk with
59:48
Speaker 4: the kid about the unsolved problem of difficulty doing math.
59:51
Speaker 4: It's too broad, right, And in this model, there's three steps.
59:56
Speaker 4: The first step is that we're gathering information from the kid,
1:00:00
Speaker 4: who's our number one source of information on what's making
1:00:03
Speaker 4: it hard for them to meet a particular expectation. People
1:00:07
Speaker 4: are often skeptical about that part. They often ask me,
1:00:10
Speaker 4: what makes you think the kid knows? And my answer
1:00:13
Speaker 4: is thirty five years of asking. But if we ask
1:00:17
Speaker 4: the kid what's making it hard for you to do
1:00:19
Speaker 4: the math, you're going to get out on no, because
1:00:21
Speaker 4: it's too broad. We've got to get more specific. We've
1:00:24
Speaker 4: got to get more micro. What's making it hard for
1:00:26
Speaker 4: you to complete the double digit division problems on the
1:00:29
Speaker 4: worksheet in math. I'm always telling caregivers be prepared for
1:00:33
Speaker 4: surprises when you ask, because you are likely to learn
1:00:37
Speaker 4: that what you thought was getting in the kid's way
1:00:39
Speaker 4: is not what's getting in the kid's way. This is
1:00:43
Speaker 4: how we partner with kids on solving problems you.
1:00:47
Speaker 1: Also recommend very early in the school year, if not
1:00:50
Speaker 1: before it begins triage, And by that you do not
1:00:53
Speaker 1: mean tracking or tearing, You do not mean segregation. What
1:00:58
Speaker 1: do you mean by triage.
1:01:01
Speaker 4: Knowing what's walking in the door before it walks in
1:01:03
Speaker 4: the door. We should have much better communication from one
1:01:08
Speaker 4: year to the next. Every educator would agree with that.
1:01:11
Speaker 4: But if all we're communicating about from one year to
1:01:14
Speaker 4: the next is the kid's frustration response their behavior, then
1:01:19
Speaker 4: next year's teacher has absolutely no idea what expectations this
1:01:24
Speaker 4: kid is having difficulty needing, how some of those problems
1:01:27
Speaker 4: got solved the year before. They are pretty much going
1:01:31
Speaker 4: in with blinders on. That's not continuity of care. That's
1:01:37
Speaker 4: not good care. And schools are providing care for a
1:01:41
Speaker 4: lot of our kids who aren't doing very well. The
1:01:44
Speaker 4: care that schools provide could be better than it is
1:01:48
Speaker 4: if we could just get out of our own way.
1:01:51
Speaker 4: You mentioned tears. Tears refers to this organizational method called
1:01:57
Speaker 4: multi tiered systems of support, which many people love, but
1:02:01
Speaker 4: I find I'm neutral. I find that we end up
1:02:04
Speaker 4: talking more about tears, which is what level of support
1:02:08
Speaker 4: this is going kid is going to need? Than we
1:02:10
Speaker 4: do about kids, and that's past Awkwards.
1:02:13
Speaker 1: I compliment your use of the need to judge children,
1:02:17
Speaker 1: assess children based on their level of acuity, because that's
1:02:22
Speaker 1: a very accordion term. You're trying throughout this book to
1:02:25
Speaker 1: dispense with the traditional stuff. And by the way, doctor
1:02:28
Speaker 1: Green does not dismiss the problems of cell phones. He
1:02:32
Speaker 1: doesn't dismiss the problem of porn, he doesn't dismiss bullying,
1:02:36
Speaker 1: he doesn't dismiss anything. He just puts them all into
1:02:39
Speaker 1: the stew that is causing these unsolved problems. And the
1:02:43
Speaker 1: unsolved problems he divides into lucky ones. Okay, that's a
1:02:46
Speaker 1: funny word to term, but crying, with drawing, sulking, whining,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: things that elicit sympathy an unlucky one, screaming, hitting, spitting,
1:02:54
Speaker 1: destroying that get punitive things going, and it's neither lucky
1:02:59
Speaker 1: nor unlike. You're just trying not to exclude any unsolved problem.
1:03:03
Speaker 1: Am I right about that?
1:03:06
Speaker 4: That is correct every kid, And this is why this
1:03:09
Speaker 4: model is good even for the kids who aren't exhibiting
1:03:13
Speaker 4: concerning behavior, because as you noticed, I'm sure my definition
1:03:17
Speaker 4: of good teaching is meeting every kid where they're at.
1:03:21
Speaker 4: That's for kids whose frustration responses are more mild. That's
1:03:24
Speaker 4: for kids whose frustration responses are bigger a frustration. No
1:03:29
Speaker 4: matter what the frustration response, it's still communicating the exact
1:03:33
Speaker 4: same thing. There's an expectation this student is having difficulty
1:03:37
Speaker 4: reliably meeting. Once we get to the level of what
1:03:42
Speaker 4: are the expectations a student is having difficulty meeting, they
1:03:46
Speaker 4: can be identified proactively, they can be solved proactively. We
1:03:50
Speaker 4: can get out of the heat of the moment where
1:03:53
Speaker 4: I promise you nothing productive is going on. Though. That's
1:03:59
Speaker 4: the biggest chane we need to make moving from our
1:04:02
Speaker 4: focus on behavior where we've been forever, to our focus
1:04:06
Speaker 4: on the problems that are causing them. That is massive now.
1:04:11
Speaker 1: Doctor Green. As I was reading The Kids Who Aren't Okay,
1:04:14
Speaker 1: it occurred to me you are, in fact teaching, especially
1:04:17
Speaker 1: the teachers. When I got about halfway through the book,
1:04:19
Speaker 1: page ninety five, the start of chapter six, putting the
1:04:21
Speaker 1: horse back in front of the cart, you review everything
1:04:25
Speaker 1: on page ninety five and the top of page ninety
1:04:28
Speaker 1: six that you've written thus far, because and actually it
1:04:31
Speaker 1: goes all the way to page ninety six. Repetition is
1:04:33
Speaker 1: the essence of learning, right, So you're teaching the teachers
1:04:36
Speaker 1: to do this again and again. Is it taking hold?
1:04:42
Speaker 4: You know, in the schools that are aware of this model,
1:04:45
Speaker 4: it is taking hold in a big way. Lives in
1:04:49
Speaker 4: the Balance has never been busier because, quite frankly, there's
1:04:53
Speaker 4: a lot of leaders in education who know that what
1:04:55
Speaker 4: we're doing right now isn't working very well, especially for
1:05:00
Speaker 4: kids who are sluggling the most.
1:05:02
Speaker 1: I'm coming back for one more segment with doctor Green.
1:05:04
Speaker 1: The book is The Kids who Aren't Okay. It's at Amazon,
1:05:08
Speaker 1: It's at Barnes and Noble, It's at Lives in the
1:05:11
Speaker 1: Balance as well. But all you want to do is
1:05:13
Speaker 1: go to my at page. You'll find a link here.
1:05:15
Speaker 1: But Kids who Aren't Okay Doctor Green will be right back.
1:05:23
Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Now Doctor Green
1:05:26
Speaker 1: and I have met a few times, and my journeying
1:05:28
Speaker 1: through Maine, I mentioned Lban at the top. Doctor Green
1:05:32
Speaker 1: is very well known for his book Lost at School,
1:05:34
Speaker 1: very well known for The Explosive Child, very well known
1:05:38
Speaker 1: for everything in the world of education. If a superintendent
1:05:43
Speaker 1: or a classroom teacher who is or the head of
1:05:46
Speaker 1: the union or a group of concerned parents wanted to
1:05:49
Speaker 1: bring this to the attention of their district and get
1:05:52
Speaker 1: it to actually be absorbed. How do you recommend they
1:05:55
Speaker 1: go about that? Doctor Green, Go to.
1:05:58
Speaker 4: The Lives and the Balance website Lives lavees in the
1:06:01
Speaker 4: Balance dot o RG tell us what you need through
1:06:05
Speaker 4: the contact form. We are ready to work together with
1:06:09
Speaker 4: any school system, any individual who's looking to change things
1:06:12
Speaker 4: for the better, especially the for the kids who are
1:06:15
Speaker 4: struggling the most.
1:06:16
Speaker 1: Now, for the school districts that decide to go so.
1:06:19
Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone I know that President Trump
1:06:21
Speaker 1: is starting is a press conference. I'm sure Larry Elder
1:06:24
Speaker 1: will have all of it, but it takes a while
1:06:27
Speaker 1: for him to warm up. For the school districts that
1:06:29
Speaker 1: want to embrace this, I would guess this summer they
1:06:33
Speaker 1: could have everybody read it and get the teachers to
1:06:36
Speaker 1: commit to doing the work early, the ausps early so
1:06:41
Speaker 1: that they did not enter the school. Is that the
1:06:44
Speaker 1: best way to sort of roll out system wide a
1:06:48
Speaker 1: change from restraint and seclusion.
1:06:51
Speaker 4: A book study is a very good place to start.
1:06:55
Speaker 4: I don't want people waiting till summer. That's a that's
1:06:58
Speaker 4: another three months of kids and educators suffering through current practices.
1:07:07
Speaker 4: Start right away. You can get this book read in
1:07:10
Speaker 4: one to two weeks. Oh easy, start playing, easy easily exactly, Yeah,
1:07:17
Speaker 4: you could start playing. This is an easy read. I
1:07:21
Speaker 4: like to think I write that way. I also like
1:07:23
Speaker 4: to think it's a very practical book. Despite some of
1:07:26
Speaker 4: the idealism in the book, this is not that hard
1:07:31
Speaker 4: of a change to make. With commitment, with intentionality, this
1:07:36
Speaker 4: can be done. If you want to wait till summer,
1:07:39
Speaker 4: that's great. I just don't want to see people suffer
1:07:42
Speaker 4: any longer than they have to now.
1:07:43
Speaker 1: If you get to the again, let's say ten to
1:07:45
Speaker 1: twenty percent, I'll even give it. Let's say twenty percent
1:07:48
Speaker 1: have unsolved problem. If you can reduce the number of
1:07:51
Speaker 1: unsolved problems in half of those children to a manageable level,
1:07:55
Speaker 1: the productivity of the entire classroom will increase, probably by
1:07:58
Speaker 1: fifty percent. Really, I can't imagine some of these things
1:08:02
Speaker 1: in the Catholic schools of my youth. It didn't happen,
1:08:04
Speaker 1: probably because they were restraint models that people didn't even
1:08:07
Speaker 1: know about. But nowadays I hear about it a lot,
1:08:11
Speaker 1: and we don't want that to happen. What a resource suck.
1:08:17
Speaker 4: This is the fascinating part. One of the biggest impediments
1:08:21
Speaker 4: when people first hear about this model is they feel
1:08:25
Speaker 4: that they don't have time to do it. They are
1:08:27
Speaker 4: spending mammoth amounts of time on behavior. They would be
1:08:33
Speaker 4: spending a fraction of the time solving the problems that
1:08:37
Speaker 4: are causing that behavior. Yes, intentionality and commitment do take time,
1:08:43
Speaker 4: but the schools that implement this model are saving a
1:08:46
Speaker 4: boatload of time because they are not running around like
1:08:49
Speaker 4: chickens with their heads cut off anymore, dealing with behavior.
1:08:53
Speaker 1: Crisis from chrisis. Again. The book is The Kids who
1:08:55
Speaker 1: Aren't Okay, The Kids who Aren't Okay. Doctor Green is
1:08:58
Speaker 1: gran and you can find it Ross Green on Amazon.
1:09:03
Speaker 1: So Doctor Rayne's Big Picture time. Are you an optimist
1:09:07
Speaker 1: about American education getting this fixed? I am.
1:09:15
Speaker 4: I think there are some outstanding educators out there. I
1:09:18
Speaker 4: think the very vast majority of educators want the best
1:09:22
Speaker 4: for their kids and love seeing them thrive. Sometimes it
1:09:27
Speaker 4: is their training getting in the way, Sometimes it is
1:09:29
Speaker 4: the system getting in the way. These things can be changed,
1:09:34
Speaker 4: and by golly, I'm will get as much of that
1:09:37
Speaker 4: change done in my lifetime as I possibly can, right
1:09:39
Speaker 4: here from Freeport, Maine.
1:09:41
Speaker 1: Do you know why I'm an optimist. It's because I
1:09:44
Speaker 1: don't know if they're in Freeport, Maine or Portland. But
1:09:46
Speaker 1: there are trial lawyers all over the United States who
1:09:49
Speaker 1: are going to figure out that it is not best
1:09:51
Speaker 1: practices to restrain a child. Of course that will happen
1:09:54
Speaker 1: in wrongful death case, but in any case, they're going
1:09:57
Speaker 1: to start suing school districts if they're not you using
1:10:00
Speaker 1: your approach. That's that's why I'm an opt The trial
1:10:03
Speaker 1: lawyers know there's a duty of to these children, the
1:10:07
Speaker 1: ten to twenty percent, and if the duty is being
1:10:10
Speaker 1: breached with damage resulting, it's a mass tort. Have anyone
1:10:13
Speaker 1: told you that before?
1:10:16
Speaker 4: Oh they are. It's already happening. And I am an
1:10:19
Speaker 4: occasional participant in those lawsuits. I don't take any money
1:10:24
Speaker 4: for it because I don't want to feel like I'm
1:10:26
Speaker 4: a hired gun. I just want to make sure that
1:10:29
Speaker 4: we're treating kids the right way, making sure kids and
1:10:31
Speaker 4: educators aren't getting hurt, and make sure that schools that
1:10:36
Speaker 4: are still using these obsolete practices are held to account.
1:10:39
Speaker 1: I hope we are helping them do that once again.
1:10:42
Speaker 1: The book is The Kids who Aren't Okay. It just
1:10:44
Speaker 1: came out last week, just when the war got started,
1:10:46
Speaker 1: so you may not have seen the regular book chore,
1:10:49
Speaker 1: you know, the CBS Morning News or anything like that,
1:10:51
Speaker 1: but you should. The Kids who Aren't Okay needs to
1:10:54
Speaker 1: be in every teacher, guest, in every superintendent's best and
1:10:58
Speaker 1: every parent with a child who is being assessed with
1:11:00
Speaker 1: a difficult child. Go and get the Kids who Aren't
1:11:03
Speaker 1: Okay by doctor Ross Green, doctor Ring. Good to talk
1:11:06
Speaker 1: to you. Thank you America, be right back, say