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Sharri | 26 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Bits and Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight. Anthony Albanesi slammed
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Speaker 2: for destroying the nation's economy all to appease the unions.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment. Also on the show,
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Speaker 2: a Green senator who refuses to say that Hermas is
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization gets a seat on a committee examining antisemitism.
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Speaker 2: Just how does this happen? I'll discuss this with Shadow
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Speaker 2: Education Minister Sarah Henderson later. Plus, the visas for Gaza
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Speaker 2: issue continues to tie the Albanesi government in knots. More
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Speaker 2: on that coming up, and who would make a better
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Bill Shorten or Albanizi. I'll discuss this with
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Speaker 2: my political panel later in the show. But first, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister today celebrated new right to Disconnect laws which
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Speaker 2: ban bosses from contacting staff after hours. The alb and
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Speaker 2: Easy claimed these laws would give people more time with
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Speaker 2: their family, when in fact they mark a dark return
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Speaker 2: to a bygone era of nine to five office hours.
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Speaker 2: Here was the Prime Minister claiming that answering the occasional
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Speaker 2: after hours email was a mental health issue.
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Speaker 3: This applies from today for large employers small businesses don't
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Speaker 3: kick in for another year. But it is a common
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Speaker 3: sense definition basically for some jobs. Obviously, people like mine,
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Speaker 3: I'm on called twenty four hours a day. But for
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Speaker 3: many Australians I think they're getting frustrated that they're expected
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Speaker 3: to be on their phones, their emails, all of that
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Speaker 3: for twenty four hours a day. It's a mental health
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Speaker 3: issue frankly as well. For people to be able to
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Speaker 3: disconnect from their work and connect with their family and
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Speaker 3: their life is what this is about.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Coalition and the Business Council say that these
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Speaker 2: new laws are unnecessary and a major productivity drain at
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Speaker 2: a time when slow productivity growth is a factor in
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Speaker 2: inflation remaining high and in terms of Australia staying competitive,
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Speaker 2: will we need to go toe to toe with companies globally?
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Speaker 2: Do you see governments in China, the United States or
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Speaker 2: India forcing their workers to knock off at a certain time.
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Speaker 2: It's absurd government regulation in the business sector and this
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Speaker 2: comes at a time when AI is already challenging human productivity.
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Speaker 2: But why I want to speak about this tonight is
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Speaker 2: because these laws have a much bigger drawback from a
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Speaker 2: societal perspective. One major issue with these laws is that
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Speaker 2: they will inevitably put a handbrake on mothers returning to
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Speaker 2: work after having children. Women have been fighting for flexible
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Speaker 2: working hours for decades. One of the only good things
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Speaker 2: to come out of the pandemic is that it showed
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Speaker 2: that working from home was entirely feasible. How to get
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Speaker 2: women to return to the work force after kids has
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Speaker 2: been a major political discussion point for years. The Albanezer
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Speaker 2: government claims the answer is free childcare, but not all
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Speaker 2: mothers want to leave their babies in childcare for an
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Speaker 2: entire day while they go to the office, and many
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Speaker 2: mothers want to be there to pick their young children
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Speaker 2: up from school in the afternoon and be there to
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Speaker 2: help with the homework. Flexible working arrangements mean that mothers
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Speaker 2: can return to work while still being able to juggle
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Speaker 2: the demands of children, and many mothers work while their
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Speaker 2: kids are at school and then they log back on
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Speaker 2: when they're asleep at night. It's working in a way
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Speaker 2: that suits parenting. This doesn't only apply to mums, of course,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure you can see the same but I
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Speaker 2: see more and more dads doing school pickup and turning
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Speaker 2: up for book parade, book Week parade like there was
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Speaker 2: last week and other activities. But this is now all
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Speaker 2: under threat thanks to Anthony Albanesi's new laws. Bosses could
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Speaker 2: get holed into court, they could be fined if they
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Speaker 2: contact workers after hours, so it very clearly threatens flexible
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Speaker 2: working arrangements. Albanize's new laws work to enforce a return
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Speaker 2: to strict nine to five hours because that's when bosses
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Speaker 2: are allowed to speak to their staff email them without
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Speaker 2: any confusion. Now, this isn't great for parents and certainly
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Speaker 2: not great for young children who enjoy having their parents
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Speaker 2: their mums around in the afternoon. It's obvious that if
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Speaker 2: employers know that they can't contact after five or six
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Speaker 2: o'clock at night, then they're going to put pressure on
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Speaker 2: that individual to complete the work before that time. This
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Speaker 2: means that flexibility disappears. No matter what the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: all the unions say about it, this will be the reality.
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Speaker 2: It just can't be any other way now. Of course,
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Speaker 2: every person in every job has a different circumstance and
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Speaker 2: not every job allows for flexible working arrangements, but there
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Speaker 2: are a lot that do, and I know personally speaking,
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Speaker 2: without flexible working arrangements. There's no way I could have
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Speaker 2: returned to work with very young children, even with babies. Instead,
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Speaker 2: I was able to work flexibly. I could contribute to
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Speaker 2: society while still feeling like my kids weren't missing out
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Speaker 2: and having their mum around. But the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 2: far removed from what women or working parents want. He's
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Speaker 2: only thinking about men without responsibilities. Well, watching the footy
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Speaker 2: with a beer on a Friday night.
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Speaker 4: But what kind of impact do you think being on
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Speaker 4: call all the time and always wide into work and.
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Speaker 5: Be available does have on our mental health?
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Speaker 2: Do you worry about that with the stranes.
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Speaker 3: I certainly do it. It means you can't relax. You
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Speaker 3: can't be sitting there watching the footy on a Friday
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Speaker 3: night without thinking that you're potentially going to have to
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Speaker 3: check your emails and check what's going on.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is living in the past. He still
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Speaker 2: thinks people work nine to five jobs. Listen to this.
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Speaker 3: The idea that you should be on call at ten
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Speaker 3: o'clock at night if you work a nine to five
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Speaker 3: job isn't reasonable and that will lead to better relations
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Speaker 3: in the workplace.
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Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister claimed that he knew people who
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Speaker 2: were waking up all through the night to reply to
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Speaker 2: work emails. Well, those people are probably his own staff.
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Speaker 2: Of course, there'll be the odd unreasonable boss who emails
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Speaker 2: excessively after hours. But you don't set new laws that
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Speaker 2: will impact on the entire economy, the whole country and
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Speaker 2: a whole generation of parents for the odd bad apple.
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Speaker 2: The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry is also very
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Speaker 2: worried about the impact that these laws will have on productivity.
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Speaker 6: From a business point of view, we think it's unnecessary.
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Speaker 6: We really think this is a solution that's in search
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Speaker 6: of a problem in the first place. A lot of
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Speaker 6: this could be dealt with through common sense. We don't
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Speaker 6: think we needed to have legislation here for this. We
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Speaker 6: are concerned about the productivity impact and we are concerned
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Speaker 6: about the impact eventually on small business.
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Speaker 2: The reality is these are laws that appease the unions.
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Speaker 2: It's a point Peter Dutton made today.
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Speaker 7: You know, labor is slowly destroying the Australian economy costs
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Speaker 7: her up for everything. We're talking about electricity blackouts, insurance
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Speaker 7: premiums are gone through the roof, and most employers do
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Speaker 7: the right thing by their employees. But at the moment,
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Speaker 7: I think the government's creating an environment of animosity and
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Speaker 7: tension between employers and employees where it doesn't need to exist.
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Speaker 7: Why are they doing that because that's what the CFMAU
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Speaker 7: and the other big unions tell them to do.
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Speaker 2: And the unions did celebrate the ACTU president Michelle O'Neil
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Speaker 2: called today an historic day because of the new laws.
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Speaker 2: She's out Australian unions have reclaimed the right to knock
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Speaker 2: off after work. Well, what rubbish knockoff after work? They're
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Speaker 2: literally appealing to people in their twenties. No one else
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Speaker 2: knocks off after work. Life is a constant juggle for
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Speaker 2: parents and grandparents. I mean who is knocking off after
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Speaker 2: work and going to the pub? Literally, no one that
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Speaker 2: I know. And for the young people who are knocking off, well,
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Speaker 2: this idea that they need mental health time away from
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Speaker 2: their phones is ludicrous and by the way, that is
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Speaker 2: what the PM suggested. Have a listen.
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Speaker 3: But what it will do is take that pressure off
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Speaker 3: people to be constantly checking their devices. It is it
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Speaker 3: is a scourge in so many ways.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so young people don't need to feel the pressure
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Speaker 2: anymore to constantly check their device. Most people, and especially
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Speaker 2: young people, are inseparable from their phones. You can't make
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Speaker 2: them put them down. They're constantly attached to their devices.
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Speaker 2: So who are these laws actually help. They're hindering small
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Speaker 2: business that will have to spend money on red tape
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Speaker 2: and compliance. They're going to force parents back into the
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Speaker 2: dark ages. Mothers might have to stop working. It seems
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Speaker 2: to be a soft to the unions. The Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: rules are a return to a bygone era. There are
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Speaker 2: a handbrake on the flexible working arrangements that all major
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Speaker 2: companies globally are moving towards. And if you're still on
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Speaker 2: show if these laws are a good idea or not,
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Speaker 2: you only have to look at the most forward leaning
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Speaker 2: tech companies globally that are renowned as the best places
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Speaker 2: to work. They're more often they're not unicorn tech companies
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Speaker 2: that know how to attract and retain talent, and they
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Speaker 2: know how to innovate while maintaining productivity. All of them
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Speaker 2: are encouraging flexible working hours and none of them are
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Speaker 2: cutting off emails post five pm. It's the reverse. It's
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Speaker 2: allowing flexibility, allowing employees to choose their own hours while
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Speaker 2: still getting the job done. Now. Over the weekend came
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Speaker 2: the news that the Taliban had banned women's voices and
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Speaker 2: faces in public banned.
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Speaker 8: According to the new rules, which cover all aspects of
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Speaker 8: Afghan society, women are not allowed to sing, recite, or
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Speaker 8: read aloud in public. They are required to cover their faces.
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Speaker 2: This is the Taliban regime that Joe Biden wrongly believed
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Speaker 2: had miraculously transformed into a modern movement when he pulled
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Speaker 2: American forces out. Yet the Taliban is more repressive and
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Speaker 2: brutal than ever, banning women's voices and faces. But here's
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Speaker 2: what I want to know. Where were the protests? Where
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Speaker 2: were the marchers on the streets of Sydney, London, New York?
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Speaker 2: Where were the rallies at college campuses around the world.
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Speaker 2: This exposes that it's truly not the plight of Muslim
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Speaker 2: women or children that the Left cares about. The pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian movement should really be called an anti Israel or
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Speaker 2: anti Zionist movement, even an anti Jew movement, because how
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Speaker 2: else to explain the stunning hypocrisy when not one person
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Speaker 2: stood up to march for the women in Afghanistan? Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: the Albanezi government is still struggling to explain to Australian
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Speaker 2: voters why it's allowing Hi Must supporters into the country.
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Speaker 2: Defense Minister and Deputy PM Richard Miles was asked four
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Speaker 2: times why visitor visas were being used from a terrorist
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Speaker 2: hotspot instead of other visa classes that have rigorous security vetting. Well,
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Speaker 2: he just couldn't answer.
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Speaker 9: Why did the government decide to give visit of visasat
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Speaker 9: year and not some sort of temporary humanitarian visa?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 4: Can I just this has been a total distraction that
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Speaker 4: has been run by the opposition over the course of
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Speaker 4: the last two weeks. That's actually what's going on in
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Speaker 4: the Parliament right now.
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Speaker 9: Andrew why visitor visas?
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Speaker 4: What there is is an attempt to distract from the
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Speaker 4: fact that the opposition have nothing to say.
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Speaker 9: Mister Miles except they were never coming as visitors, were they?
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Speaker 9: They weren't coming to see the opera house. They were
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Speaker 9: fleeing a war zone. So why wasn't there a humanitarian
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Speaker 9: visa in place?
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Speaker 4: Again, I just come back to the fact that the
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Speaker 4: I mean, everyone has their own story in terms of
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Speaker 4: the circumstances on which they are coming to Australia. But
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Speaker 4: whatever that is, there is a security assessment which is done.
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Speaker 9: Are you satisfied then none of the people coming on
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Speaker 9: those visitor visas will be a risk going forward.
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Speaker 4: I'm satisfied that all the security checks are in place
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Speaker 4: in respect of this cohort as have applied to any
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Speaker 4: cohort who have come to this country. Yes, I am.
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Speaker 2: That was a great interview by Andrew Clenell. And then
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Speaker 2: you had Bill Shorten who did concede that Palestinians coming
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Speaker 2: from Gaza could be Hermas supporters.
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Speaker 10: People coming from Gaza. I don't know. I've never had
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Speaker 10: the misfortune to live under a terrorist regime.
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Speaker 9: I don't know, David.
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Speaker 10: If you lived in Gaza and you had to do
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Speaker 10: a survey when you might depend on your food and
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Speaker 10: the government does a survey, and so do you support Hamas?
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Speaker 5: I don't know what you'd.
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Speaker 10: Say, David, but you'd probably way up the interesting your family.
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Speaker 10: The reality is the Hamas question is I think superseded
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Speaker 10: by the way that governments of both sides have handled
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Speaker 10: this issue, which is is someone a security risk?
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Speaker 2: And those questions on the weekend came after Anthony Alberizi
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Speaker 2: refused to say in Parliament on Thursday that support for
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Speaker 2: hama Us wouldn't preclude someone from being granted an Australian visa.
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Speaker 2: If you missed it, here was that telling Exchange.
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister does supporting Hamas past the character test for
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Speaker 5: an Australian visa.
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Speaker 3: Everyone who applies for an Australian visa is subject to
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Speaker 3: the same security standard sept by the same agencies and
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Speaker 3: the same personnel as under the former government.
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Speaker 2: Well Columbist Chris Mitchell today wrote about the fact that
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Speaker 2: almin Easy couldn't definitively declare that support for a prescribed
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Speaker 2: terror group would deny someone access to a visa, and
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Speaker 2: he said this is the real fault line in this
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Speaker 2: left faction led government that is unlike all previous labor governments.
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Speaker 2: And Columbist Henry Ogas on the weekend brilliantly explained how
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Speaker 2: ludicrous the accusations of racism are against Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 2: he wrote it is hardly racist to oppose the entry
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Speaker 2: into this country of genocidal races. And Henrio a Gas
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Speaker 2: also points out the hypocrisy of the Albanesi government, which
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Speaker 2: has claimed that anti Semitism has no place in Australia,
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Speaker 2: that's what the Prime Minister has said. But yet, as
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Speaker 2: Henrio Gas writes, how then could it possibly issue visas
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Speaker 2: to people who sympathize however, rhetorically, with a movement based
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Speaker 2: on a psychotic hostility to Jews. Is this country social
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Speaker 2: cohesion worth so little that it deserves to be shredded
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Speaker 2: for the sake of a few votes. Well, it seems
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Speaker 2: that under the Albanese government that is indeed the case.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just social cohesion that's being shredded, but
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Speaker 2: national security and community safety are at peril. Two reckless
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Speaker 2: and grave risks to take simply to help labor hold
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Speaker 2: onto marginal seats. Well, to discuss all of this and more,
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Speaker 2: bring in our Minday panel sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand
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Speaker 2: and sky News host Steve Price. Welcome both. Joe. I
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Speaker 2: want to start with you. Let's start with the right
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Speaker 2: to disconnect laws. What do you think about the impact
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Speaker 2: that this will inevitably have on working parents.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm actually inclined to and I agree with you.
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Speaker 11: I'm all over the place half the time. I've picked
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Speaker 11: up the kids and dropped them off today and it
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Speaker 11: was sort of working in the middle and sort of
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Speaker 11: working now even though I would do it for free
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Speaker 11: cause I love it so much and I would not
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Speaker 11: do it for free. Sky News please kay. But but
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Speaker 11: I think we're except I think we think about these
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Speaker 11: things from the point of view of a journalist, from
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Speaker 11: point of view of someone who is doing a job
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Speaker 11: they really love. I think for other employees for who
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Speaker 11: work is a bit of a drudge, is a bit
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Speaker 11: of a drag, I think they would probably be more
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Speaker 11: grateful that. I don't know how much it actually happens.
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Speaker 11: I suspect the Chamber of Commerce guy with actually corect
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Speaker 11: when he said, this seems like a solution in search
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Speaker 11: of a problem. And I think if you have, you know,
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Speaker 11: I think the most important thing in the world probably
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Speaker 11: is in many ways, is respect in the workplace and
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Speaker 11: having a good relationship with your colleagues and your employer,
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Speaker 11: because working is sort of the one thing that you
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Speaker 11: might not actually want to do in life, and so
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Speaker 11: you have to make it as kind of it.
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Speaker 2: It's not just respect. I think Steve that bosses will
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Speaker 2: now be grouped with confusion about can they email someone
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Speaker 2: after hours or not. I mean, it's just ridiculous to
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Speaker 2: put these laws in place. And then there's the flexible
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Speaker 2: working arrangements point that I've made at the start of
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Speaker 2: the show that this is going to have an impact
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Speaker 2: on working mothers.
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Speaker 12: It doesn't reflect modern Australia, does it. I mean, that's
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Speaker 12: the nonsense of it. And I heard a great talkback
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Speaker 12: caller forgive me. I was listening to ABC Radio today.
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Speaker 12: I don't know why I was doing that what I
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Speaker 12: was And one of the callers rang up and said, Okay,
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Speaker 12: I run a small business. If I can't contact my
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Speaker 12: employees after hours, can I then ask them not to
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Speaker 12: be on their phones during working hours in the office,
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Speaker 12: looking at Instagram, face Book and doing all of their
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Speaker 12: private business. I mean, if I can't talk to them
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Speaker 12: after ours, why are they sitting there doing their own
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Speaker 12: private stuff during the week. I thought you summed it
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Speaker 12: up beautifully, Shari. I would pull you up on one point.
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Speaker 12: Joe and I are definitely two people who would knock
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Speaker 12: off work and go to them.
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Speaker 11: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. We'd probably checking our
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Speaker 11: emails over.
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Speaker 2: The school, so you would like to go to the part.
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Speaker 2: But you are picking your children up from school. You
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Speaker 2: are a modern.
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Speaker 11: Day Yeah, all the time. That's and my job will
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Speaker 11: be completely impossible. You know. It would be a brave
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Speaker 11: man who told my editor that he couldn't contact me
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Speaker 11: after hours, and I wouldn't want him to. He said, I,
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Speaker 11: you know, we've got to get Joe on this thing.
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Speaker 11: And someone said I've got his number. I can call him.
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Speaker 11: He goes, no, no, no, I'll call him and I
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Speaker 11: know he'll always answer the phone.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's look at that other topic. What
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Speaker 2: did you think of I start with you, Steve Richard
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Speaker 2: Miles's inability to answer for straightforward questions to Andrew Clenell.
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Speaker 12: Great great interview by Andrew. And Andrew ask the question
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Speaker 12: five different ways, but they were all completely legitimate, and
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Speaker 12: Richard Miles just stat there, putting up the facade that
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Speaker 12: oh no, well, And the best question Andrew asked was, well,
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Speaker 12: they were never coming here to visit the opera house.
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Speaker 12: They were coming here because they were escaping a war
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Speaker 12: zone and they had no intention of going home again.
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Speaker 12: I mean, labor has just dug itself into this massive
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Speaker 12: hole over this issue, and they think that the wider
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Speaker 12: public is just going to sit back and go, oh well,
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Speaker 12: there's nothing to see here. You know, they've all been
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Speaker 12: checked out beautifully and we can't be worried about any
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Speaker 12: of them. No one believes that, and the government really
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Speaker 12: needs to start to be honest with itself and with
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Speaker 12: the Australian public.
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Speaker 2: And it is a border security issue, Joe, This is
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Speaker 2: what it actually is resonating with voters, even though Albinizik
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Speaker 2: and the other ministers keep saying, oh, why is the
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Speaker 2: opposition wasting its time on this? Well, it plays into
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Speaker 2: that perception that the Prime minister's soft on national security.
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Speaker 11: Oh very much so. And I think you know that
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Speaker 11: law and order. The immigrant detainees were released by the
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Speaker 11: High Court recently and the government didn't seem to have
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Speaker 11: anything ready to stop them. I think all of that
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Speaker 11: is part of Peter Dutton sort of suite of his
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Speaker 11: armory if you like that. He's chucking at the government
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Speaker 11: and that's what opposition leaders are paid to do. I
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Speaker 11: don't understand why the government just doesn't go, Look, we
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Speaker 11: gave them visit of visas because there was no third
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Speaker 11: country to process them. Because Egypt, Jordan, all these Arab
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Speaker 11: countries surrounding Israel are not pulling their weight Australia has
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Speaker 11: always been a country of high migration. We have always
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Speaker 11: been a country with a high humanitarian intake, even compared
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Speaker 11: with much larger countries like the US and US. But
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Speaker 11: that's right. But the reason why they have to use
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Speaker 11: visit of visas clearly is because the length of time
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Speaker 11: it would take to process a humanitarian visa would make
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Speaker 11: it untenable for anyone actually applying from Gaza because they're
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Speaker 11: in the middle of a hot war zone. So unlike
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Speaker 11: being in a refugee camp outside the borders of Syria
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Speaker 11: or in Lebanon or something like that, where you can
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Speaker 11: be in relative safety and wait the months and months
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Speaker 11: it takes to get as juanitaryan visa proceeds.
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Speaker 2: Defend explaining this.
22:05
Speaker 11: But this is this is this is what you would say.
22:07
Speaker 11: This is what you would say, rich and ironic. No,
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Speaker 11: I'm explaining exactly why they've done it. They obviously have.
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Speaker 2: To say they've done it.
22:14
Speaker 11: Seed is more important, yes, because you're getting someone You're
22:18
Speaker 11: not getting someone out when morey g camp getting more
22:21
Speaker 11: important than security, are you well, most of the refugees
22:25
Speaker 11: that we would take from war zones would have gone
22:27
Speaker 11: to a third country or a UN refugee camp first,
22:31
Speaker 11: which means that you could take the.
22:32
Speaker 2: Time an easy government should have done, no Steve, if
22:35
Speaker 2: they were.
22:35
Speaker 11: Desperate that there are the borders are shut, they can't
22:38
Speaker 11: get they.
22:38
Speaker 2: Can set a camp up somewhere in Egypt or somewhere else.
22:41
Speaker 2: If they desperately take these people in, do the security checks,
22:45
Speaker 2: do every security check possible to make sure Hamas supporters
22:49
Speaker 2: are not coming to they might pose a security The.
22:52
Speaker 11: Whole point is that those Arab nations around Israel are
22:56
Speaker 11: not doing that, and that should be emphasized. They are
22:58
Speaker 11: not pulling their weight, they're not playing their part. They're
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Speaker 11: doing it because they want Palestinians to be trapped in
23:03
Speaker 11: Gaza as human chields.
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Speaker 12: So what are you going to say, Joe, when we
23:06
Speaker 12: import someone What are you going to say, Joe, when
23:08
Speaker 12: we import someone from Palestine who is Ahama sympathizer and
23:13
Speaker 12: God forbid does something that they shouldn't do, You're going
23:16
Speaker 12: to say, oh, well, we had to hurry them through
23:18
Speaker 12: because there was no other way to do it.
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Speaker 11: I'm just saying clearly, that's making clearly that is the rationale.
23:24
Speaker 11: But this is what dare not speak its name clearly
23:26
Speaker 11: that is the rationale that the government has applied, and
23:29
Speaker 11: it should at least basically say that this is the
23:32
Speaker 11: rationale that's applying, instead of just pretending that there's nothing there.
23:35
Speaker 11: I mean that they seem to me, basically ironically enough
23:38
Speaker 11: to be using visitor visas in place of temporary protection visas,
23:42
Speaker 11: which of course lot exists.
23:44
Speaker 2: But let's move on to another topic, and we're going
23:48
Speaker 2: to look at the very sad funeral today of Herald's
23:53
Speaker 2: son journalist Sam Landsberger. He was farewelled by hundreds of
23:57
Speaker 2: mortars at a service today. He was a talented, much
24:01
Speaker 2: loved football journalist. He was hit and killed by a
24:04
Speaker 2: truck last week. Steve, you're in Melbourne where Sam lived.
24:09
Speaker 2: Beautiful tributes pouring in for him. This is very tragic.
24:14
Speaker 2: You know, his family have done interviews and he was
24:17
Speaker 2: on the phone to his mum at the time when
24:18
Speaker 2: the accident happened.
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Speaker 12: Such a tragic story and just coincidentally, on that same
24:25
Speaker 12: day when Sam was cut down by that truck, I
24:29
Speaker 12: had walked down exactly the same street in Richmond on
24:33
Speaker 12: a long walk that morning. I got back and this
24:36
Speaker 12: story broke in the Herald Son and I just could
24:38
Speaker 12: not believe it. I mean, to be on the phone
24:40
Speaker 12: speaking with your mother, you then get hit by the
24:43
Speaker 12: truck and you know, the driver's being interviewed by police.
24:47
Speaker 12: The person who came to his aid, a passer by
24:50
Speaker 12: picked up the phone, realized that it was still live
24:54
Speaker 12: and said to the mother whom I'm speaking to, I mean,
24:57
Speaker 12: I can't think of anything worse. And being a parent
25:01
Speaker 12: and having someone telling you that your child is dying
25:05
Speaker 12: in front of you, it's just beyond.
25:07
Speaker 2: Horrible, absolutely heartbreaking.
25:09
Speaker 11: Yeah, just start macturney. I couldn't better read a war
25:12
Speaker 11: of it, but I did obviously read a lot of it,
25:14
Speaker 11: and that particular moment was just phenomenal, but an incredible,
25:18
Speaker 11: incredibly moving moment in the community. But just I can't
25:22
Speaker 11: better think about it.
25:22
Speaker 2: Thought, No, just terrible.
25:24
Speaker 12: And it's a great young journo too. He was destined
25:27
Speaker 12: for good things. They were talking about him being the
25:29
Speaker 12: next number line to become the Herald Son's chief football
25:32
Speaker 12: writer and that's a massive job in Melbourne. It's the
25:35
Speaker 12: biggest job in sport in this town. And he was
25:38
Speaker 12: the next one in line and no longer. Sadly, yeah, and.
25:42
Speaker 2: We send we wish long life to Sam's parents tonight.
25:47
Speaker 2: All right, Steve Price, Johood around.
25:49
Speaker 12: Thank you so much.
25:51
Speaker 7: Now.
25:52
Speaker 2: A conflict in the Middle East escalated over the weekend.
25:55
Speaker 2: As we saw, there were Israel and Hasbellar trading fire
25:58
Speaker 2: on Sunday. This is being described as a major flare up.
26:03
Speaker 2: Hesbelah launched a barrage of attacks at Israel over the
26:06
Speaker 2: killing of a top commander last month. Israeli Prime Minister
26:10
Speaker 2: benjaminetta Yahu said that it wasn't going to be the end,
26:14
Speaker 2: and Israel then launched a series of preemptive strikes on Hezbela.
26:19
Speaker 2: Let's bring it now. IDF International spokesperson Nadav Shoshani. Nadav,
26:24
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Look what is
26:28
Speaker 2: the latest at the moment. Where is the situation at
26:31
Speaker 2: right now?
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Speaker 13: Well, currently the tension have slowed a bit, but I
26:39
Speaker 13: wouldn't say normal. But the fighting is still going on
26:42
Speaker 13: in North Krisbada is still threatening to fire us to villas.
26:45
Speaker 13: We are still acting and parting any we can see
26:49
Speaker 13: coming taking out the units. But at the moment the
26:55
Speaker 13: tensions have lowered. Both sides are assessing the situation and
26:58
Speaker 13: waiting to see what goes on. For us, the goal
27:00
Speaker 13: remains to thwart terror and to bring back our people
27:04
Speaker 13: home to their houses in northern Israel not under an
27:07
Speaker 13: iminent threat of terror.
27:09
Speaker 2: There's also been an expectation that Iran would launch a
27:13
Speaker 2: series of attacks on Israel. Do you think the presence
27:18
Speaker 2: of United States warships in the Middle East has prevented
27:22
Speaker 2: that from taking place so far?
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Speaker 13: Well, we have a large group of allies that are
27:28
Speaker 13: working with us behind the scenes and in front of
27:31
Speaker 13: the scenes, working together operationally and also in other aspects,
27:36
Speaker 13: supporting us in this and we value their support a lot.
27:39
Speaker 13: As we were speaking yesterday about the visit of the
27:42
Speaker 13: US chairman of their military and we are ready, as
27:47
Speaker 13: we were ready to attack from Krisba, to attack from Iran.
27:50
Speaker 13: But it's important to say we are attacked by Iran.
27:53
Speaker 13: In the last ten months. Iran is the one that
27:56
Speaker 13: funds and directs Hamas, chizbala UIs and Yemen and a
28:01
Speaker 13: lot of terror organizations in the Middle East, all targeted
28:04
Speaker 13: towards Israel in the West, and we are facing, whether
28:07
Speaker 13: directly or not directly, Iran. The rockets yesterday from Krisbala
28:11
Speaker 13: are funded some of them are even from Iran.
28:15
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, we're a very closely following the plight of
28:21
Speaker 2: the remaining hostages who are still being trapped in Gaza,
28:24
Speaker 2: we presume in tunnels held captive by Hamas. Do you
28:29
Speaker 2: believe many of them are still alive or are you
28:32
Speaker 2: concerned there are very few who are still alive.
28:36
Speaker 13: Well, everyday counts. This is why we're working around the
28:40
Speaker 13: clock to either get a deal or bring the hostages
28:43
Speaker 13: home within our operational event. And this is why every
28:48
Speaker 13: moment counts and every moment is support. And I'm currently
28:50
Speaker 13: in the Jewish communities outside of Gaza visiting the families
28:56
Speaker 13: the people who were hurt by this October seven massacre.
28:58
Speaker 13: They are still waiting for the loved loved ones to
29:00
Speaker 13: come home, and we believe dozens of them, a lot
29:03
Speaker 13: of them are still alive waiting to come home in
29:06
Speaker 13: horrible conditions with hamasteris keeping them, some of them in
29:10
Speaker 13: tunnels without the daylight. For soon, it's going to be
29:13
Speaker 13: a year, I know.
29:15
Speaker 2: Will indeed, Nadavsha Shany really appreciate your time. Thank you
29:20
Speaker 2: now after the break. Major questions tonight over the appointment
29:23
Speaker 2: of pro Palestinian senator Marine Ferruki on a university anti
29:27
Speaker 2: Semitism committee. Sarah Henderson will join me to discuss this next,
29:32
Speaker 2: plus why Australia has become a world leader in shooting
29:35
Speaker 2: itself in the foot Welcome back. Well. There are questions
29:48
Speaker 2: over Green Senator Marine for Ruki's place on an anti
29:52
Speaker 2: Semitism at Campus committee. Executive Council of Australian Jury co
29:57
Speaker 2: Chief Executive Alex Rifchen told The Australian that her position
30:01
Speaker 2: compromises the integrity of the commission an exposes victims of
30:05
Speaker 2: antisemitism to further harm. He said it could also deter
30:09
Speaker 2: victims from actually giving evidence. Well to discuss, let's bring
30:14
Speaker 2: in now Shadow Minister for Education, Sarah Henderson. Sarah, great
30:17
Speaker 2: to see you again. Great to see you, thanks Sherry. Now,
30:20
Speaker 2: given Marine Feriki's history in this space, and she did
30:24
Speaker 2: vote against so she voted against emotion that would have
30:28
Speaker 2: condemned the phrase from the river to the sea, we
30:31
Speaker 2: know what that phrase means. That she supported the pro
30:35
Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters at university who've created a very hostile environment
30:40
Speaker 2: for Jews, and that is at universities, which is the
30:43
Speaker 2: subject of the legislation that you put forward. Is it
30:47
Speaker 2: appropriate for her to sit on this committee?
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm very concerned about it, and Julian Lisa, who's
30:53
Speaker 8: also brought forward a private Senator's Bill to establish a
30:56
Speaker 8: judicial inquiry into anti Semitism at Australian University, shares those
31:01
Speaker 8: same concerns. So this is an inquiry into my private
31:04
Speaker 8: Senator's bill and hopefully this book bill will be passed
31:08
Speaker 8: by the Parliament. That's what we are urging the Parliament
31:11
Speaker 8: to do. But it is quite concerning that Senator Fariki
31:15
Speaker 8: has been substituted into this inquiry into the bill. We
31:19
Speaker 8: are hoping there will be a public hearing and we
31:23
Speaker 8: want Jewish students and staff who've endured so much distress
31:27
Speaker 8: and harm on certain university campuses to feel confident to
31:31
Speaker 8: be able to come and sit before the inquiry and
31:35
Speaker 8: tell us their stories. And that's extremely difficult in that
31:39
Speaker 8: sort of environment.
31:41
Speaker 2: So she's going to be sitting there potentially asking tough
31:45
Speaker 2: or hostile questions towards Jews who are giving evidence.
31:51
Speaker 8: What I'm really hoping is that the Senator in charge
31:55
Speaker 8: of the Greens and the Senate Larissa Waters might reconsider
31:58
Speaker 8: this and that they might actually read in State Senator
32:01
Speaker 8: shoe Bridge onto.
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Speaker 2: The count's what you're calling for tonight.
32:04
Speaker 8: I would like to see this situation fixed. I believe
32:09
Speaker 8: it is inflammatory. We have seen Seneferuki involved in some
32:14
Speaker 8: other very controversial incidents, including holding up that she was
32:20
Speaker 8: actually standing next to a sign which was posted on
32:23
Speaker 8: her social media which obviously showed the Star of David
32:27
Speaker 8: going into the rubbish bin. Now she did take that down,
32:30
Speaker 8: but that was very distressing. I think a lot of
32:33
Speaker 8: Jewish groups are very distressed by the prospect of her
32:36
Speaker 8: being on this committee. So I do hope sherriot can
32:39
Speaker 8: be rectified.
32:41
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to bring now an exclusive update to
32:43
Speaker 2: a story that I broke earlier in the year. That
32:47
Speaker 2: story was that Tel Aviv University officials were locked in
32:50
Speaker 2: a room with pro Palestinian activists at the University of Sydney.
32:55
Speaker 2: So University of Sydney security officials actually locked Tel Aviv
32:59
Speaker 2: University offish in the same room as pro Palestinian activists. Well,
33:03
Speaker 2: we've obtained now an exclusive letter that Tel Aviv University
33:08
Speaker 2: sent to Vice Chancellor Mark Scott after that incident. The
33:12
Speaker 2: letters from the president of Tel Aviv University, Professor Ariel Porat,
33:17
Speaker 2: and it states that the Tel Aviv officials and I
33:20
Speaker 2: quote found themselves trapped in a room while the protesters
33:25
Speaker 2: sorry trapped in a room with the protesters, while the
33:28
Speaker 2: university's security team refrained from intervening. Two women representatives of
33:34
Speaker 2: Tel Aviv University were forced to endure an extended period
33:38
Speaker 2: in a room with aggressive protesters, while the management of
33:41
Speaker 2: the University of Sydney seemingly did nothing and Professor Porat
33:47
Speaker 2: described the situation as appalling in his letter to Mark Scott,
33:51
Speaker 2: he said it was a violent instance of verbal assault
33:54
Speaker 2: against two women. He demanded a detailed explanation from Mark
33:58
Speaker 2: Scott about what he called extreme neglect by the university
34:02
Speaker 2: for failing to take responsibility for this shameful incident. Sarah,
34:07
Speaker 2: as far as we know, Mark Scott hasn't responded, but
34:10
Speaker 2: that letter shows just how hurtful, how damaging and distressing
34:15
Speaker 2: that incident was to these visiting officials who were invited
34:20
Speaker 2: by the university to take part.
34:22
Speaker 8: Or Sharry, you broke that story and it was an
34:24
Speaker 8: absolutely terrible incident where these two visiting academics were effectively
34:29
Speaker 8: trapped in a room and the University of Sydney did
34:32
Speaker 8: not take any action. Security guards were outside and as
34:36
Speaker 8: the president of Tel Aviv University has said in his
34:40
Speaker 8: letter to Mark Scott, this is an example of extreme
34:44
Speaker 8: neglect by your university, and he is actually even saying
34:49
Speaker 8: I would appreciate answers to these questions to determine whether
34:52
Speaker 8: we wish to continue our academic relationship with our university.
34:57
Speaker 2: Now.
34:57
Speaker 8: Hopefully, if this public hearing goes a hea for our
35:01
Speaker 8: inquiry into the bill to establish this judicial inquiry, I
35:05
Speaker 8: will be calling Mark Scott and we will be seeking
35:08
Speaker 8: a full explanation because this is a terrible incident of
35:12
Speaker 8: shocking anti semitism at the university and as I say,
35:19
Speaker 8: this is unacceptable.
35:21
Speaker 2: And what do you think of Mark Scott's leadership during
35:24
Speaker 2: this entire crisis that we've seen at the University of Sydney.
35:28
Speaker 8: Look, I have raised ongoing concerns about his leadership and
35:32
Speaker 8: about many appalling actions which occurred at the University of Sydney,
35:37
Speaker 8: including the decision not to take action against HITS but
35:41
Speaker 8: to hear members who are menacing students and protesting for weeks.
35:47
Speaker 8: The university took no action for many weeks. It didn't
35:50
Speaker 8: comply with its own university rules. I mean, it was
35:54
Speaker 8: just appalling and this is one of the incidents. And
35:57
Speaker 8: this is another reason, Shari, why we need judicial inquiry.
36:01
Speaker 8: We cannot have our international reputation impacted by incidents like this.
36:07
Speaker 8: And the vice chancellor owes tel Aviv University a full explanation,
36:13
Speaker 8: including whether that relationship will even continue and how he's
36:17
Speaker 8: going to remedy it. I mean he has actually said,
36:21
Speaker 8: what steps have you taken to show that there will
36:24
Speaker 8: be consequences for this sort of action?
36:26
Speaker 2: He says, have you even investigated? And I mean it's
36:29
Speaker 2: shocking in a way to see how quickly Mark Scott
36:32
Speaker 2: capitulated to demands from the pro Palestinian activists but hasn't
36:36
Speaker 2: even answered a letter as far as we know from
36:39
Speaker 2: the president of tel Aviv University. You know that they
36:42
Speaker 2: have a partnership and collaboration with It's appalling. Sarah Henderson,
36:47
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. Thanks Sherry. Now still to come
36:51
Speaker 2: why major political parties, particularly the Albanezy government, is being
36:54
Speaker 2: accused of ignoring the nation's energy crisis, Plus why a
36:59
Speaker 2: commentator is saying that Bill Shorton would make a better
37:02
Speaker 2: prime minister than Albanesi. My political Insiders panel would join
37:06
Speaker 2: me next. Well, lots more to get through tonight, so
37:17
Speaker 2: let's jump straight into it with my political Insiders panel,
37:20
Speaker 2: GXO Strategies Director, former Chief of Staff to Bill Shorten,
37:24
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner and DPG Advisory Solutions David Gazzard. Welcome to
37:29
Speaker 2: you both. Look one commentator tonight, the editor of The
37:33
Speaker 2: Nightly Christopherdore, is saying that maybe Bill Shorton would make
37:36
Speaker 2: a better prime minister then Anthony Albanesi. It's an interesting question,
37:42
Speaker 2: he writes, at the end of a week in which
37:44
Speaker 2: Albanesi stood before rural women, had a brain explosion and
37:49
Speaker 2: mocked in some weird as supported attempt at humor the
37:53
Speaker 2: sheep farmers. He's ruining to win over inner city voters.
37:56
Speaker 2: Albanizi trundled up to Townsville to speak at a bush summer.
38:00
Speaker 2: If only irony could be dug up and exported. Camen,
38:05
Speaker 2: you were Bill Shorten's form a chief of staff. What
38:08
Speaker 2: do you think about the maniflaws that dare outlines in
38:13
Speaker 2: this column.
38:15
Speaker 1: Well, it's a long list, isn't it, Shari, And let's
38:17
Speaker 1: face it. I mean Albanese is a terrible prime minister
38:20
Speaker 1: leading a terrible government. But it's a government in his
38:22
Speaker 1: own likeness. This is the Albanese government. It's not even
38:25
Speaker 1: labor governm any longer. After the union bashing exercise last
38:28
Speaker 1: week against the Sea for.
38:28
Speaker 5: MEU, it's not labor government. It's just the Albanese government.
38:31
Speaker 1: And so we last year we had the albert Voice
38:33
Speaker 1: and today we have the Albo Visa. This is a
38:35
Speaker 1: government in his own likeness, and no one likes it.
38:38
Speaker 1: Public don't want to vote for labor. The public to
38:40
Speaker 1: marked albow down. So I challenged Kristoph Door. I think
38:43
Speaker 1: anyone could be a better prime minister than Anthony Albanese right.
38:46
Speaker 2: Now, David Gazzard, what do you think? I mean, there's
38:50
Speaker 2: no question that voters are losing interest in Albanesi. Look,
38:56
Speaker 2: he wasn't particularly supportive to begin with. The Labour's primary
39:00
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty two election was an historic low.
39:03
Speaker 2: It's now, according to the polls, even lower than that.
39:08
Speaker 14: Well, you know, you look at where Anthony Eberneze has
39:11
Speaker 14: come from, and you know he's from the socialist laft
39:15
Speaker 14: factional Labor Party, but he's confronting issues that have nothing
39:19
Speaker 14: to do with that background. It's all about security. It's
39:23
Speaker 14: all about the economy. When I was working for Peter Costello,
39:27
Speaker 14: there would often be skirmishes with the Prime Minister because
39:31
Speaker 14: John Howard would cut across the budget message. And this
39:35
Speaker 14: was in a government that was running a very very
39:38
Speaker 14: good economy and there were times where there were messages conflicting.
39:41
Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers must be pulling his hair out because the
39:45
Speaker 14: only issue that voters want to focus on at the
39:48
Speaker 14: moment is cost of living in Security's got, as Cameron
39:53
Speaker 14: successful or correctly says, you've got the prownd Prome minister
39:56
Speaker 14: bouncing around from you know, going after farmers in wa
40:02
Speaker 14: to mucking around for two weeks in the Parliament on
40:05
Speaker 14: Palestinian visas, to the cfom AU to the Voice, to
40:09
Speaker 14: whatever else distracts him. And the latest thing is his
40:13
Speaker 14: love life in the weekend papers. So people don't want
40:16
Speaker 14: to hear that. They want to hear about what the
40:17
Speaker 14: government's doing on cost of living and it's not coming through.
40:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now a great piece by Jeff Chambers
40:24
Speaker 2: in the Australia and he's slammed the major political parties
40:27
Speaker 2: over what he says are their weak gas plans. He
40:31
Speaker 2: says that the obsession with renewables versus nuclear is not
40:35
Speaker 2: the main game. He says, Australia faces a frightening shot
40:39
Speaker 2: to medium turn energy reality unless there's drastic action to
40:43
Speaker 2: increase gas supply, upgrade pipelines and build peaking plants. Cameron,
40:49
Speaker 2: is he right? Do you think that not enough investment
40:53
Speaker 2: has been made in gas?
40:56
Speaker 15: Well?
40:57
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Chamieres is great and I love his
40:59
Speaker 1: camber insights. He's very insightful in terms of how he writes,
41:01
Speaker 1: and I think his opinion pieces spot on today. I mean,
41:04
Speaker 1: we're blessed with such huge natural resources, yet we're mendicant
41:08
Speaker 1: to other people.
41:09
Speaker 5: We're mendicant to a war in Ukraine in terms of
41:11
Speaker 5: our oil price.
41:12
Speaker 1: We should be far more interested in our economic security
41:15
Speaker 1: alongside our national security. Our national defense should be about
41:18
Speaker 1: our national energy defense. And if we're blessed with as
41:21
Speaker 1: much gas as we've got in New South Wales and Victoria,
41:24
Speaker 1: it's locked up because of the politics.
41:25
Speaker 5: Locked up because of politics, not because we don't know
41:27
Speaker 5: it's there, and that's terrible.
41:29
Speaker 1: At least Queensland, my home state, is producing more than
41:31
Speaker 1: enough gas for the East Coast now, but going forward
41:34
Speaker 1: when he unlocked those reserves in New South Wales and
41:36
Speaker 1: Victoria and become an energy nation again, not a mendicant nation.
41:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course a lot of gas is being exploded. David.
41:44
Speaker 2: There's also the issue we're hearing today front page of
41:47
Speaker 2: the paper, that we could be facing blackouts and power
41:50
Speaker 2: bill hikes. I mean, if this comes, particularly this summer,
41:54
Speaker 2: this is going to be a major, major political issue. Yeah.
42:00
Speaker 14: Right, the gas is there. If you talk to companies
42:04
Speaker 14: like Santos, they've spent much of the last decade with
42:08
Speaker 14: proven reserves trying to get the ability the ability to
42:12
Speaker 14: extract that gas from the ground. If you talk to
42:15
Speaker 14: government departments, they will tell you that gas is an
42:19
Speaker 14: essential transition fuel for the next decade, maybe beyond transition fuel.
42:24
Speaker 14: So we're not talking about long term, We're just talking
42:26
Speaker 14: about moving from fossil fuels to a greater reset of renewables.
42:31
Speaker 14: That's the government's own departmental advice. But yet we can't,
42:35
Speaker 14: for political reasons, get this gas out of the ground,
42:38
Speaker 14: even though we've got more gas than Katar. So the
42:41
Speaker 14: possibility of blackouts, brownouts, complete outages, I would say, is
42:47
Speaker 14: entirely possible. While the government campaigns to the next election
42:51
Speaker 14: with the need to gain preferences from the Greens.
42:56
Speaker 2: Look, summers are often a difficult time in politics, but
42:59
Speaker 2: if we are fa blackouts, and especially during a cost
43:02
Speaker 2: of living crisis when Bill's a sky high, that could
43:05
Speaker 2: be a killer issue for Albanezi. Look, Cameron, you mentioned
43:10
Speaker 2: a moment ago that interview that Albanzi gave with the
43:13
Speaker 2: Sunday Papers with Michael Madigan was the journalist at the
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Speaker 2: Courier Mail. He said it was a shock when his
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Speaker 2: ex wife, the former education minister in New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: Carmel Tebbatt, asked for a divorce at the start of
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. He said it made him consider quitting politics.
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Speaker 2: But Cameron, what about this piece on his love life
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Speaker 2: appearing on the very same day. And Albinizi is a
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Speaker 2: clever Politicianiche would have known what he was doing at
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Speaker 2: the same day as this disastrous election result in the
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory for Labor.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's all a fabrication.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know we've known about Albanze's divorce and look,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get too personal matters, but you
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Speaker 1: know this is a politician bleeding everything. He possibly can
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Speaker 1: of the nuptials that are had to come with Jody.
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Speaker 1: We talked about the wedding flowers.
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Speaker 5: And the cake and whether his suit fits in next.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is going to pick every other
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Speaker 1: headline than talking about cost of living every other headline,
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Speaker 1: than talking about gardens seventy five percent of who failed
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Speaker 1: his a little visa test for terror.
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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean he's talk about the real issues.
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Speaker 1: He wants to get distracted on sugar hits and Sunday
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Speaker 1: newspaper stories.
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Speaker 5: About you know, his love life.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm sorry he's actually been elected to the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 5: For now at least he should act like it and.
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Speaker 2: Painting himself as the victim. You know, poor old guy
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Speaker 2: was left alone by Carmel Tabitt.
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Speaker 1: Well, imagine if Shari, imagine if how much better Australia
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Speaker 1: would be if Albert taking that advice in twenty nineteen
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Speaker 1: and exit sideways. I mean, being in Parliament for twenty
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Speaker 1: six years by that stage already he could have he
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Speaker 1: could have left.
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Speaker 2: Good point, all right, Karen Milna, David Gazard, thank you
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Speaker 2: both so much. Now, after the break, the US election
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Speaker 2: takes another turn as the world react to RFK Junior's
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Speaker 2: endorsement of Trump, and will Kamala be rewarded for translating
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Speaker 2: her campaign to the TikTok crowd? Koshergada would join me next,
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Speaker 2: welcome back. Well, let's turn to the United States, where
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Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy Junior, as you know by now, called
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Speaker 2: time on his independent presidential run and has thrown his
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Speaker 2: support behind Donald Trump. The announcement has been condemned by
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Speaker 2: other members of the influential Kennedy family, and Robert admitted
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Speaker 2: that even his wife wasn't pleased with the decision. To
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Speaker 2: discuss that's bringing now Sky News contributor Kosher Gada Kosher,
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Speaker 2: how do you think this is going to play out?
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Speaker 2: I mean, his figures had dropped to reportedly around five percent,
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Speaker 2: so already Kamala Harris had won back some of the
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Speaker 2: Democrat voters who weren't voting for Biden but were going
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Speaker 2: with RFK Junior. But also his support of Trump might
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Speaker 2: boost Trump's vote as well. How do you see it
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Speaker 2: playing out?
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Speaker 15: It's potentially a very big deal. So you are right
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Speaker 15: that it is. He was polling as high as eighteen
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Speaker 15: nineteen even twenty percent, that was when Biden was very unpopular,
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Speaker 15: and you're quite right that Kama Harris has naturally been
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Speaker 15: able to take most of that back. However, that five
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Speaker 15: to six percent that he's still including in the seven
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Speaker 15: battleground states is quite material because these are states that
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Speaker 15: have been won and lost in the less several elections
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Speaker 15: to the tune of seventy thousand votes or less. In
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Speaker 15: that situation, this five to six percent polling that he has,
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Speaker 15: if there's different pollsters that are modeling how those votes
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Speaker 15: would flow across the two candidates, they believe it'll translate
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Speaker 15: into one to two points in favor of Trump just mathematically,
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Speaker 15: that theoretically is enough to swing the election one way
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Speaker 15: or the other. On top of that, I think there's
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Speaker 15: a bigger picture of what his endorsement means. He's one
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Speaker 15: of the most iconic Democrats in American politics. Is the
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Speaker 15: Kennedy name, and for him to come out and say
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Speaker 15: he's leaving the Democrat Party here's why it is a
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Speaker 15: seering indictment on the Democrat Party. And that as well,
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Speaker 15: I think could play a little bit into making the
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Speaker 15: prospect of voting for Trump a little bit more palatable
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Speaker 15: for people who might still be a little bit on
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Speaker 15: the fence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing Kamala Harris described as appealing to the
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Speaker 2: TikTok generation. You know, we're not seeing a lot of
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Speaker 2: policy substance from her, no tough interviews, but a lot
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Speaker 2: of glitz and spin that appeals to the TikTok crowd.
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Speaker 2: You know, she's even been described I don't even know
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Speaker 2: what it means as brat. Kamala is brat. What is
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Speaker 2: this whole TikTok TikTok phenomenon around Kamala Harris?
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Speaker 15: It is interesting. I think something like eight million voters
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Speaker 15: have aged into the electorate right now in this election,
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Speaker 15: and there's forty one million gen zers, people between ages
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Speaker 15: of eighteen and twenty seven right now in the US,
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Speaker 15: so she's definitely trying to court them. Historically, that crowd,
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Speaker 15: the young crowd, doesn't really have high propensity for voting
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Speaker 15: in the US where we don't have mandatory voting, so
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Speaker 15: who knows how important that will ultimately be, But they
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Speaker 15: are heavy consumers of TikTok, hence why she's using that
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Speaker 15: medium as a way to reach them. You see Trump
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Speaker 15: on the other side, reaching them with all of these
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Speaker 15: podcasts he's doing with YouTubers and streamers that are also
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Speaker 15: popular with that gen Z crowd. So definitely the battle
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Speaker 15: is on for that group, even though we don't know
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Speaker 15: exactly how much difference it's going to make in terms
48:11
Speaker 15: of turnout.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, just something a bit different. Elon Musks space
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Speaker 2: X is said to be coming to the rescue of
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Speaker 2: two American astronauts stranded in space. Elon Musk SpaceX is
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Speaker 2: going to collect them in February next year, Sunita Williams
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Speaker 2: and Barry Wilmore. They were only meant to be away
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Speaker 2: around a week, but instead by the time that they're
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Speaker 2: eventually collected in February, it would have been eight months.
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Speaker 2: This is We've only got thirty seconds here, but this
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Speaker 2: is kind of a massive admission that Elon Musk's technology
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Speaker 2: is something the US needs to rely on.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a remarkable story. It's a humiliation for Boeings
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Speaker 15: Aeronautics and the the technical glitches they ran into. And
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Speaker 15: I think you're right, it does sort of cast Elon
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Speaker 15: Musk in a different light than I think the way
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Speaker 15: a lot of establishment figures are trying to cast him
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Speaker 15: is more of a villain, and he literally is going
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Speaker 15: to be coming to the rescue of these par astronauts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, shocking that they're going to be stranded for
49:11
Speaker 2: so long. All right, Koshagada, great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: And that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow at
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Speaker 2: eight o'clock. And up now, here's Paul Murray.